Thermal Putty Guide
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- In this video I'll show you guys a few ways to apply Thermal Putty to a videocard and all the other steps along the way when I do a putty job on a card.
Total putty used:
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44 grams total
-10g Back side
-34g Core side
$19.61 CAD total
($0.445/g from a 100g container)
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Timestamps:
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0:00 Thermal Putty Guide
0:22 Discord Server
0:39 Introduction the Thermal Putty
1:52 ASUS RTX 3070 KO OC
2:32 Cleaning
3:14 Measuring stock thermal pads
4:29 Save the old pads
4:38 Applying putty to back side
11:07 Back side putty result
11:29 Check for warped back plate
12:19 Cleaning cooler
12:49 Applying putty to core side
18:58 Thermal Paste on core
19:26 More putty for the core side
25:03 Syringe Method
25:56 Roll / Log Method (My favourite)
27:55 Ball Method
28:29 Core side putty result
29:37 ! Clean the PCI-E connector
30:37 Thermal Putty Calculator
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Finally got around to adding the additional putty and temps have fallen through the floor. Max hotspots of 100c have fallen to below 80c which is what I was aiming for. I can only imagine the secret sauce was puttying the back side of the card well. Thanks for what you're doing man
Loving this guide mate! Cheers fella for taking the time to make this!
Well done mate, great guide, calm, relaxed and everything covered thats needed.
Nice Hint with that PCIE Connector btw. :)
Very comprehensive great video thank you
Love you and love your videos.
Great vid! Recently found someone who makes GPU fan mount deshrouds and figured it would be a great time to redo the paste and pads too! This seems like a killer combo with PTM and Noctuas. Excited to try this out.
@VigilSerus Thanks for checking out the video. Putty and PCM make a great combo. The putty compresses well, allowing for ideal core contact. Putty takes a bit of getting used too and is easy to use too much the first couple times. I used too much in the past as can been seen in some of my earlier videos.
Good Job 👍
Thanks for the great vid, I was actually thinking of replacing the pads on my gpu with putty and repasting it !
I also wanted to thank you for your work, you motivated me a few month ago to buy thermal putty for my overheating ThinkPad p53 and it has since then been running like a charm, though to be honest I did one hell of a botched job and just spread a thick ammount of putty with a plastic spatula where the pads were and let the cooler squeeze the excess out 😅
That's great to hear. Which putty did you decide to go with?
@@snarksdomain I went with U6 PRO from Upsiren for a safe (cheap-ish) solution and some ptm for the CPU and GPU.
I'm thinking of going for 50 grams of UX Ultra PRO and some UTG-X for my GPU repasting just to get the best performance without bothering with pads or shims.
@BelayaVorona22 you may want to recheck the charts. UX is great, but I'd personally go with UTP-8 if choosing an Upsiren putty. Around half the price of UX.
U6 Pro is pretty good though. What are your memory temps like?
@@snarksdomain I just made the basic assumption that pricier = better and went with the best option they had, while it's true that in practice the charts don't show that big of a difference between the two.
Seems like you saved me some money !
When it comes to my laptop sadly it doesn't have any memory temps indicator on HWiNFO, all I can say is that it's an rtx3000 with an i7-9850H packed in a frame that's known for being plagued with cooling issues.
I went from constant thermal throttling in any kind of demanding game/software to a way nicer 55°C GPU, and 65°C Hotspot on furmark in 1080p.
@@BelayaBirdy Glad you got some nice thermals now. :)
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time to unleash the power of putty!
Appreciate the video. Been trying to repaste my GPU, can't find what the appropriate pad thickness would be for it, so I read about thermal putty.
Thanks for the tutorial. Putty looks much more user-friendly than pads.
Have you considered testing Fehonda's liquid thermal pads?
I have 2 different Fehonda LTPs on the way, and some of their pads too.
Thanks for all the tests and guides, mate. I watched a few videos of yours and was able to identify putties that perform well.
I repasted Legion 7 16ACHg6 not so long ago and PTM7950 + HY236 combo improved thermals of RTX 3080 16GB by 10C and lowered the delta between overall temp vs junction (now they hover around 8C apart, used to be 15C). Sadly Ryzen 9 5900HX is a hothead and it throttles from time to time, despite PTM7950 and 16mV undervolt.
Just yesterday I also repasted PowerColor RX 7900 XTX Red Devil on my main machine with PTM7950 and Upsiren UX Pro from MIddle999's store and so far I noticed way lower delta than before (19C before vs ~10C now). The overall temperature remained the same, but the fans kick in later than before, so all in all I believe it improved the situation. Maybe I will be able to OC the card and figure out how far I can push it.
I don't understand why some people give you bad rap, but I guess that's what you get if someone never repasted anything and keeps shilling for companies just for the sake of it. ;)
Thanks for your comment. If your fan is kicking in later, or at lower RPM, then that's a good sign that the putty has made a difference. I always lock the fanspeed at 85% for testing purposes, but in normal use I let the GPU fans do their own thing.
For the most part, I just assume the folks that give me a bad rap are all CSGR troll accounts, or those that got convinced by the CSGR trolls. I find some people that are initially suspicious of my motives tend to come around after a while and DM me, rather than face the wrath of an angry Greek.
For those that still seem to be on the fence about putty in general, I'm thinking we'll see them in the coming years once they open up a device that use putty from the factory, and I look forward to helping them out then.
Lastly, welcome to #TEAMPUTTY 😀
This is fking top tier
Thanks for this mate. Bought a further 50g of the ux pro ultra and I'm gonna putty the whole damn card lol. Damn that stuffs not cheap. Any reason I should not putty the coils? They came without any thermal pads on them or is that the manufacturer skimping? And your thoughts on just respreading the old thermal paste? Its only been a week since I applied it. Appreciate your opinion.
It's difficult to reuse thermal paste. Likely best to apply fresh coat. Ideally you won't need to redo this again for a long time.....or until the paste dries.
No putty on the coils is the manufacturer skimping out. Depending on cooler design you can likely add some putty for them.
Yeah, UX is around $1/gram. Some others are less than $0.50/gram.
If you get the wrong UX Pro from Computer Systems GR is closer to $2 - $3 per gram, although I haven't tested that one yet.
@@snarksdomain Thanks 👍
Im really considering ux pro ultra uprisen because of your vids. only concern I have is shelf life. According to uprisen its shelf life is 18 months. Im also using ptm7950 because I never have to look back at maintenance. Is this the best solution apart from great cooling results? Suggestions, research into? Pads are hit or miss I take it because of comperession??
I'd likely go with UTP-8 over UX Pro. UTP-8 performs slightly better than UX, and is a bit softer, and it's also cheaper.
I'm not too concerned with stated "shelf life" for putties. I've been using the same TG-PP10 in the test card and reworking it for around 1.5 years now, and it passed it's shelf life quite some time ago. It does gradually get firmer over time, but this process is fairly slow.
If anything, "shelf life" is the timestamps in which the manufacturer believes the consistency/viscosity will remain roughly the same, making application consistent. It doesn't mean the materials have changed and no longer transfer heat.
Oxides and Nitrides are fairly stable in an of themselves. The silicone does very gradually seep out of any silicone based paste/pads/putty, although I find the process much slower in a outty than I have with silicone based pads. You should never see a puddle of oil next to putty. You'll likely see a slight staining of silicone oil around the putty after years of use.
I hope this information is helpful.
Also, when applying PTM7950, be sure to do a good burn in for a couple hours. Temps usually look quite bad for the first little bit until it can melt from 0.2mm or 0.25mm down to 0.038mm. It typically improves the most in the first 2 hours of burn-in, and then gradually over the following weeks.
Hey buddy!
I am up to apply the utp-8, do you recommend me to apply like in this video, I mean between the edges of these square modules.
I am first timer applying putty, I will check your videos and see your thermal putty guide , than you so much sir! My greetings from spain 😊
Hello Diego! I like packing putty around those square coils to potentially reduce coil whine, although the effect is not significant. This step isn't necessary, more of a personal preference.
This guide should help walk you through it and you can also use the Putty Calculator located on the Google Drive link below (Test Chart Repository).
If you run into any issues you can get thr fastest help on the Discord server :)
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Im grabbing a 3090 strix from a coworker tomorrow for $450.
Comes with a waterblock and the factory air cooler.
Im going to have to convert it back to the air cooler because if i spend money on another radiator,fans, reservoir, pump, fittings etc ... Then that $450 deal wont be much of a deal anymore because the cost will be in the realm of just grabbing a 7900 xtx.
I planned on repadding front and back with gellid extreme pads but would need 4 different thicknesses.
This seems like a better option and seems this putty method would be easier to get right since the putty compresses well.
Also I need to do my old 3080 as well.
Would you recommend the ux pro putty and what amount would you guess is needed for a 3080 and 3090?
Also what paste would you recommend for the gpu core?
Thanks!
Nice find on the 3090. Seems like a great price. I'd go with UTP-8 instead. Same/better performance, softer, half the price. You'll probably want to get 150g total to cover both cards. For a paste I'd recommend using a Phase Change Material sheet instead, like Honeywell PTM7950, Upsiren PCM-1, Thermalright Helios.
@@snarksdomain Thanks!
Do you think the utp8 and ptm7950 on ali are legit?
Question, the putty only covered around 3/4 area of the vram after compression, would that work? Or should I repeat the application? Thanks!
Up to you, if temperatures are good then no worries. I believe the actual size of the VRAM chip is smaller than what we see anyways.
@@snarksdomainworth noting as well that VRAM is usually flip-chip, so the active silicon is actually closer to the PCB than the thermal solution.
which putty was used here? this one looks really HQ and easy to manipulate. ( Probably UTP-8/6 ) but let me know :)
This one was Upsiren UTP-8
@@snarksdomain Thanks, as you already know, its on the way :)
Is that better than ux pro?@@snarksdomain
Hello very good work you are doing thank you for this and i have a question i am gonna use this same putty for replacing the peds in my laptop do you think ball method or line method is gonna be affect performance? i dont know if 10g is enough to cover everything and can you guess how much putty you used in the video bc it seems like i am gonna use the same as well roughly thank you
Either ball or line method works good. I prefer lines myself. I've made a putty calculator located on the Google Drive (Test Chart Repository link below).
For this card I used 44 grams. 10g is not enough for a laptop. I would recommend buying 50 grams of your putty of choice. You might use 30-40 grams on your laptop, just depends on the laptop.
No matter what method you use, you'll likely need to press down on the cooler during application after you've got the screws in. Laptops tend not to have as high of mounting pressure as a videocard does.
I recommend pairing putty with a long life paste or Phase Change Material for the core and CPU. Then you won't need to open it up again for years.
If you run into issues, then you can get in touch with the growing community over on the Discord server. It's a great place to connect with others that have done what you're planning to do. I've learned a lot from others in the community over the last few years.
Heh, I just noticed you've already joined the Discord. Welcome aboard.
@@snarksdomain oh wow i bought 10 grams bc there was a huge discount for new accounts so i got it for 5 dollars but i guess i need to buy more thank you for responding
@JAKFUD if going woth Liquid metal, you'll likely want to protect the area around the CPU and GPU core with Conformal Coating. I really like MG Chemicals 422C. Is glows under UV light and makes it easy to see what is covered. MG 422C is also remains semi flexible, once cured. TG Shield would also work well.
I personally like Phase Change Materials as they do not conduct electricity. They do require a burn in the get a good melt. They also improve over time as they get thinner days/weeks/months later.
@@snarksdomainthank you for your concern the laptop already has liquid metal from factory and has protection around it i am just going to repaste bc the factory job is not that good
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Thank you so much, that is very thoughtful of you. I'm not sure if I will add memberships or not, but I may consider it at some point. Kind regards from Canada :)
Hi, my throttlestop log file is saying VRTEMP for my laptop, does that mean my vrms are heating alot? This happens when I'm plugged in and gaming and after 5 mins power to cpu fluctuates too much and with that FPD stuttering occurs. Your help will be appreciated, if yk what the problem is so Kindly guide me
Specs: i5 1235u
Iris xe igpu
16gb dual channel ram
Laptop: lenovo v14 G3 iap
I managed to find a teardown video and also the maintenance manual (surprisingly). The heatsink on your laptop is very small and seems to only cover the CPU and another little chip beside it. From what I can tell, the VRM isn't actively cooled at all.
It's not ideal, but it might be possible to put some thermal putty between the VRM and the bottom cover (which is plastic). This MIGHT be enough to dissipate a but more heat. This would depending on whether it's solid plastic of if there are airflow slots/holes above the VRM.
If you were into a bit more inventive modification you could add some heat pipes and putty and try to connect the VRM to the cooler, but this has lots of added risk woth the potential for copper heatpipes to create a short by touching something it shouldn't.
You might be better off trying to get a Laptop cooler and using that while gaming.
I recently bought Jeyi 8100 for my HP OMEN 16 , I just ordered 20gm is it enough?
You'll likely use 30-40 grams for your laptop.
You might want to take a peak at the latest charts located on the Google Drive (Test Chart Repository > VRAM TIM > ETCHASH)
Ive read somewhere, it helps against coil whine? But in which areas should i put the putty to get rid of coil whine?
It may help coil whine a bit. I'm packing putty between the coils at the 20:42 mark. It can't get rid of all the coil whine, since the coil can still vibrate inside it's plastic housing.
Some folks go as far as drilling tiny holes into the plastic casing and filling them with stuff like Crazy Glue. I haven't done that myself yet, and doubt I will.
@@snarksdomain I thought the whine is because the coils touch the backplate sometimes. Ok will just put stuff around them like you, maybe it helps a bit. My card is quite ok anyway, but less is always better :)
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Any AliExpress budget recommendations that still perform better than pads? Is putty sticky enough if you turn the board over, small heatsink won't fall off?
The current go-to budget option on Aliexpress is CX-H1300. Lately the batches have been not as soft or high performing as the original batch I tested, but it's still on par or slightly higher performing than U6 Pro.
It just takes extra care to get a good application. I would recommend wearing gloves and kneading in your hands for a minute to soften it uo as much as possible, and then roll into logs.
The new batches seem a little on the dryer side, so you want to lightly press down on the rolled logs once placed on the components. It should still stick enough not to fall off when held upside down.
I recommend lightly pressing on any hand formable putty to make it stick the a surface. It's also important to clean surfaces with 99% Isopropyl Alcohol to remove any residual oils from the previous thermal pads or putty.
@@snarksdomain thanks very much 😁
If doing a loose small heatsink that won't be mounted or fastened to the device, I wouldn't trust it to stay in place if upside down or vertical long term, though. Gravity will win eventually.
If this was the plan, I'd look into a way you could at least use a zip-tie or something else to hold it there oing term.
In most of my streams where I apply different putties, I do a "tilt test" before reassembling the card.
@@snarksdomain have you ever tried PTM7950 vs putty? I see many people impressed by PTM7950
How much putty goes on a gpu approx? I have Asus 4090 to repaste and to change pads and wondering if 30-40g would be enough
@@Sald8Trin I used 44 grams on this 3070. You will likely need 50g at the very least. 100g is a decent purchase for around $35 CAD.
@@snarksdomain And this is u6 pro that you used here right?
@Sald8Trin This is Upsiren UTP-8. This is the latest putty from Upsiren.
It is basically tied with Fehonda LTP81 if you look at the charts on the Google Drive.
Thank you for all your answers 🙏
What if we apply putty to the backside of the dies in a laptop?? Would it make a difference
If there is something the putty could transfer heat to it might have a slight effect. The biggest thing with Laptops is that if it managed to lower the CPU/GPU core temps even 2-3 degrees it would be significant.
On Videocards, there is usually such a large cooler, that putty on the back of the die has little effect. But with laptops having such a small and heat soaked cooler, there's a better chance of seeing a difference.
I'd say go for it.
@@snarksdomain Ahh Okay, I just got a secondhand acer nitro 17 about a year old and temps on the ryzen 7 7735HS can reach over 95 C in spite of having LM
The GPU (rtx 4060)can hit 88-90 C as well which I know definitely isn't good, in spite of having a 2 fan air cooler under the laptop and being in a cool environment
The ptm7950 and cx-h1300 putty I ordered finally arrived today so I'm pretty excited to see how much of a difference it'll make, I watched your vids regarding application as well, good stuff!
How long does putty last before it needs replacing? And which Upsiren putty is the best? I don't mine btw, just gaming. I've heard that putty in general doesn't last as long as pads and i've seen hardware repair channels not recommending it because of dried up putty that's cooked some cards they've had to repair (although it wasn't Upsiren putty).
I believe you're talking about K5 Pro. I too have seen a few different PC repair channels recommend against using it, and I'd fully agree, just based on it's performance, and how heat seems to effect it (potential offgassing, visible from air channels/bubbles upon dissassembly).
I've been using TG-PP10 for around 3 years and have found it to remain effective and maleable for that entire time. You can watch some of my streams where I reshape the TG-PP10 that's been on the VRM'S for a couple years now.
It will be years before we know the longevity of the newer thermal putties.
Pads often don't last years, especially during 24/7/365 usage.
Putty is getting used more by manufacturers in various devices, so you may have some in your home already. Some devices you will find Thermal Putty include Sony PS5, EVGA 30 series videocards, Lenovo Legion gaming laptops, newer ASUS AMD videocards, newer ASUS gaming laptops, some cell phones, some cars, etc.
@@snarksdomain Thanks, and yeah i'm pretty sure it was K5 Pro.
Suppose i'll test out some Upsiren UX Pro on my Gen 5 NVMe drive heatsink, just to see how it compares to the Gelid Ultimate pads on it. Plus it's a much quicker test than taking my card apart, and even if temps are slightly worse it might still be worth it for ease of use and reusability.
@zen_xenomorph Be sure to take a look at the latest charts on the Google Drive link in video description (Test Chart Repository)
@@snarksdomain So from looking at your (very useful) chart, UTP-8 is at least as good as UX Pro and it's cheaper. What are your thoughts on UTP-8? I see people mentioning TG-PP10 when searching for the best putty and wondered how UTP-8 compares.
@zen_xenomorph I've personally bought 1100 grams of UTP-8. I definitely like it a lot.
TG-PP10 is the putty a lot of people used for quite a while, including myself. It was discontinued about 2 years ago. When that happened, I started searching for alternatives and started testing putties. I found some much higher performing putties since then, and some that are worse.
This is for VRM / VRAM, correct? Can I use this for my ROG Strix G18 Gaming Laptop?
That's correct. Putty is for anywhere there is a Thermal Pad.
For a laptop you will likely use 30-40 grams. I'd suggest getting 50 grams which should cost you around $15-$20 depending which putty you buy.
I like using Phase Change sheets like PTM7950 on the CPU and GPU core. There are other Phase changes such as Upsiren PCM-1, Thermalright Helios, and a few others. They all seem to perform similar after a good burn in.
I won't be know the performance difference until I can improve my core testing setup.
@@snarksdomain Is it possible I use the K5 Pro on my vram?
@stealth3206 possible? Yes. Advisable? No.
You'll want to take a look at the most recent charts located on the Google drove link below (Test Chart Repository).
K5 Pro runs about 34 degrees hotter than the top end putties. Currently the two best putties that I've tested at Upsirem UTP-8 and Fehonda LTP81. I consider them tied for 1st place.
which putty is this? where can we get it?
I used Upsiren UTP-8 for this video
i bought ut8 upsiren :D today ... and ill try it in a few days when it comes... and ofc ill sent data... i have found some strange way to benchmark my gpu with game called SCUM... when u enter in main menu and just staying there it is such an inpact on gpu coz it isnt optimized and pull all ur gpu can give :D ... BTW it is on 3090 suprim and mby i will record and send u to implement in some video...
That sounds good. Feel free to join the Discord if you like. It's a great place to share your results and also see what others are doing with putty.
hi buddy, is the thermal putty reusable?
Yes it is.
@@snarksdomain when i separate the backplate, the thermal putty kind of separates/breaks and stays on both sides, is that normal?
@3nkiy yes. You just need to scoop it up and reform with gloved hands, and put back in place.
Some putties are less prone to doing that, and predominantly stick to one surface. These putties include Penchem TH949-1, Penchem TH855-5, Upsiren UX Pro, and Upsiren UTP-8.
@@snarksdomain thanks buddy u help me a lot😁
Would love to see a video for replacing the blue putty/paste on PS5's
tried this with a water block and thermals are worse then an air cooler will be going back to pads. Bought from official upsiren store
To even run at tdp power i had to use copper shims to keep the VRMs cool enough
That's odd. I wonder if you ran into compression issues. What were your core temps like?
This putty outperforms any pad I've tested so far, and others have also had similar success and results.
Edit: I suppose the other possibility is not using enough putty to fill the gap. How many grams did you purchase/use?
Hey ! Do you recommend me to replace my thermalpads (I've got a Legion 5 pro), yesterday I've cleaned the old ptm7950 from the dies, and applied ptm7958... I was thinking about to apply utp-8. I got 50g od it .. but not sure if I could reuse the old thermalpads if I am not convinced with the temps
@TheKozary I just realized there is another possibility. Which store did you buy it from? Aliexpress, or Amazon?
@@diegoescobal9381 If you've already got UTP-8 I'd recommend using it instead of pads, but save your pads in a clean plastic bag in case you run into issues and decide you want to switch back for some reason.
A good high performing putty like Upsiren UTP-8 or Fehonda LTP81 is a great pair with PTM7950. It allows good core contact and avoids pad compression issues. Also keeps VRAM and VRMs nice and cool.
@@snarksdomain thank you! I think I will try with the utp-8 ;) another question for you, not sure if you have tried the ptm 7958 , yesterday I tried and it's "curing" ATM, this afternoon I will mount and pray to the gods everything is fine lol