@@maxmalten7749 Because back then King Robert didn't even care. If he'd lived any longer and a Lannister/Baratheon conflict would have broken out, the Lannisters would have demanded their gold back. Robb was financed by Tywin.
It's a running joke lol no one knows how to pronounce his name, even the head maester at the citadel pronounced the name differently than these two did. Tho I personally think Bronn was the one who pronounced it correctly
Johny Reyes. I like Bronn but I don’t really see the purpose of that scene. It was nice having Bronn, but I don’t see where it goes given the current rushed plot :/
@@baccaismemebob2603 No, they were thieves but recruited as informants in exchange for being spared imprisonment. Just like the police functions today.
oh wait, is that the same tyrion that is fine with "thieves" being murdered" as the tyrion giving lectures about how Daennerys is mad because she crucified slavers that did the same thing to children? I loved this show back when it was smart and the characters weren't hypocrites.
@@matokrajniak1901 I know right? same Tyrion that think Dany should be killed is the same that was ready to free his sister out of the kings landing after all the horrible things she has done. smh
This is the part of Bronn that appealed to me the most: that of the knowledgable and pragmatic sellsword who’s survived to his age for a reason instead of the overreaching castle-fixated child I saw more of in later seasons.
@Look How They Massacred My UA-cam Absolutely a logical arc for his character, years of dealing with the Lannisters and not seeing much for it before probably the greatest war to reach the seven kingdoms since Robert's Rebellion. He just started realizing that he needs to finally settle down since his fighting and surviving days are over.
@@spacepopeXIV Yet for some reason, they all give him the position of master of coin to a guy who probably does not even know how to properly read two words and has been given a whole kingdom of the Six Kingdoms for himself (NOTE: He is not dumb either, but he would have been better as Master of War or something of the sorts, as well as giving a deposed reach lord's castle and lands BUT NOT THE WHOLE REACH, in that way, he could he comptent, and with a much more satisfying and logical ending for a mercenary who does not even have a last name)
@@fildariusv7045 There is a theory he is a Reyne or Tarbeck survivor hence why he has no last name he *gives*. In fact while in the ASoIAF he may have become a bard who is to say Bronn wasn't a Tarbeck heir who survived the well. After all he has a great set of lungs on him to rescue Jamie and he doesn't like the song Rains of Castamere any more than Oberyn did. Playing long game. Something has always felt off about Bronn being a simple sellsword. Also how he found his way to Lannister camp. Along with the reading here. Remember Arya and Tywin conversation. A sellsword doesn't need to read many books or read at all. Just fight. Yet Bronn displays a lot more than just street smarts on occasion and his obsession with castles might tie in to what was lost. The rebellion was only 29 years before the wedding of Joffrey so age wise could work also. There is his swift rebuttal when Tyrion says Bronn son of and he says "you wouldn't know him" again a simple sellsword probably knows Tyrion won't know him but would still say the name. Just ....a bit like, if I can bring a separate work in as example, Teddy from Equaliser says about Robert McCall. There is something wrong about him. I don't buy he is a mere sellsword. Being aware of what happens in sieges would tie in with the siege of Tarbeck ancestral home for example.
The entire point of the character was to show how the formal, ministerial nature of warfare was ignorant and impersonal. Bronn as book would have spat on political appointment.
@@Leisurelee53 Hell, in the books he manages to marry Lady Stokeworth from the Crownlands and after... "Helping" his wife to be the only proper heir, he becomes Lord Stokeworth, a true and proper lord with his own personal army of mercenaries
I'd say he's probably smartest man In show. From catelynn starks hired help, escorting Tyrion, trial by combat in Vale, hill tribes, battle of the black water, helping jaime train, escort to dorne, siege of riverrun, field of fire, now heading north If you've survived this long you've got more than luck on your side
Bronn: "we can throw books at his men" Varys: "we don't have that many books" Bronn: "we don't have that many men either" I like how varys responds to bronn's sarcasm with even more sarcasm, and bronn with even more more sarcasm
Bronn was an extremely intelligent person. If his life went in a completely different direction as a kid and he chose to study at the citadel, he would be wiser and more cunning that Varys for sure. One of my favourite characters.
My thoughts on S6-8 is that its is difficult to maintain tension when the side do not have an equal chance at thwarting the other side. I feel like if they made the decisio,n consciously or not to dumb down, Tyrion and the other "clever" characters to maintain parity instead of writing Qyburn or Euron to be more clever.
@@dbillau If the characters lead the story then the result is fine, the problem comes when the story leads the characters, that's why Tyrion is out of character and become foolish, that's why Euron is the best marksmen in the world for a day, that's why Jaime doesn't care about the people in King's Landing despite killing the mad king to spare everyone in king's landing earning the title of kingslayer and all the shame that accompanies it. The writing was just awful.
Now let’s give tyrion credit. His ideas in latter season WHERE good ideas in theory have the iron born transport the dornish and atrack from two fronts. Take the seat of power your enemies House. Blame D&D for making Cersei the final boss
"We could throw books at his men" "We don't have that many books" I love how Varys responded to that as if it were a serious suggestion, to throw books at the enemy.
It's this kind of brainstorming that led to the obvious answer: pigshit. Such brilliant writing and dialog back then. From all three of them. It's a shame dumb and dumber weren't better writers.
Varys knew he was joking. He was implying that King's Landing's library is trash considering it's KINGS LANDING. He was bitching about not having more books.
"We could throw books at his men!" "We don't have that many books." "We don't have that many men either." *GODDAMNIT WHERE DID THIS DIALOGUE GO IN SEASON 8?*
Felice Graziano then why did you say that if you haven't read the books? Lol But if you'd like to know from someone who has read the books, yeah they do for the most part. I don't think talking in the first in full sentences like Shakespearian dialogue would capture the attention of millions of viewers, so it's an understandable choice. Besides *a lot* of the dialogue from season 1-4 was taken right out from the books, like word for word... another reason why the earlier seasons are so good
The change from Varys' curious face when he heard the thieves are rounded up to his shocked one when he hears "No". It's like you can hear "OH, MY BIRDS! :O :(("
god *damn* the sheer difference between this and the latest seasons is like night and freaking day. What happened to the unmatched wit and strategic mind Tyrion had? What happened to the thrilling dialogue and subtle facial expressions?
It’s the look on their faces when they realise bronn has already been preparing for the siege 😂 by rounding up the worst of the thieves to stop them selling out the city
"How did you accomplish this marked drop in thievery? "Me and the lads rounded up all of the known thieves!" "... For questioning?" "Ahhhh, no..." "...............We talked about this"
@@Tonypikmin i meant that he was humiliated from a character writing perspective not in the story itself. His character became so annoying and dumb without any explanation. From treating tyrion and jamie like shit after so much to making cringy jokes at a council he had no business being part of.
A lot of good makes good become not good. More seasons filled with war would become boring faster than you’d expect. GRRM knew this so after writing 2 books filled with war he made his next book dedicated to the spoils of that war and what happens after it.
Season 2 : it takes Stannis 9 episodes to make his way to KL & the viewer's anticipation is thrilling Season 8 : Euron Greyjoy snaps his fingers and teleports around the world , and his biggest accomplishment was not killing Jaime Lannister
I don’t think fast travel ruined season 8. It was the more general pacing and direction of the story imo. Season 1 had Cat going from winterfell to KL to the riverlands to the eyrie within 2 eps. GoT can pull the fast travel off. It just didn’t do it right in season 8. Even with its fast travel in earlier seasons, it gave time to characters to interact and breathe instead of just pushing plot points forward like season 8
"Shame archmaester Chewhatever wasn't a better writer" another beautiful foreshadowing from earlier seasons, this one about D&D themselves! Edit: this is my frist time being in situation to write "edit: omg so many likes I didn't expect this to ever happen", so thank you guys, all 1900+ of you, it is a special feeling 🤗
@@blackmorewolf that was my reaction for me , when I watched that scene for the first time. But I agree with you, Tyrion betraying Varys like that, one of his best friend and confidant, it was unexpected and weird for me. I guess I'm still trying to understand season 8.
I believe Tyrion inherited his father's smarts and he was proud to an extent made him acting hand of the king only cause he knew he was capable. But tywin couldn't get past the fact he killed his wife in childbirth. Jamie inherited his strength Cersei was just as cunning as tywin. If only the 3 lanister kids joined forces properly they make up a twin lanister
I'd love for someone to remind this discussion to Tyrion in Season 7 when he called for laying siege to KL. Or better yet, remind it to the two mokeys who wrote that moronic script for him to say.
@@RKBock That it's somehow smarter, more moral or merciful to besiege the city rather than just take it, which caused them to meander with Dany's stupid invasion for the entire season instead of being done with it in an episode or two.
@@Alknix well, that depends on how you take the city. if a dragon sets fire to a few buildings, the whole city will be aflame. (medieval european cities were very tightly packed and fires were always horrific) a blaze from a dragon would could possibly start a fire that would run through the whole city, killing most of its population. But flying over and burning the red keep to the ground could win the war. or cercei could flee into the tunnels where she would be protected from an aerial dragon attack. or flee out of the red keep into the streets. "just take it" is easier said than done. a lot of people would want to fight to their death. burning the city down wouldn't be a solution either. (ruling over a black spot surrounded by walls full with a million charred corpses would not exactly help you with anything besides being hated and feared by the whole continent) Really, the only way I see for her to take the city without a siege would be to fly into the red keep and only burn it down. afterwards occupy it and hope that the civilians surrender. which would still end in the whole city hating her and most of the remaining court as well as the citizen trying to assassinate her and her dragons in the next year. (one stray arrow is enough to kill even the mightiest emperor) In other words: though the series' arguments might have been dumb, taking the city by force would not accomplish much. her best bet would be to gather power and allies around the kingdom. weakening the power of king's landing to the point that the city would be (almost) alone at which point it would surrender. that's my opinion at least.
@@RKBock You're absolutely right, she should've been working to win the lords and people of Westeros to her side, exactly like Tyrion said. Like, reinforce Riverrun and the Wall, root out bandits, provide relief effort, all that. Prove that Cersei is lying about her. Except then she doesn't do any of that either! As for assulting the KL, aside from her dragons she also had a huge army. I would envision the assualt to go like this: she brings all her forces directly to KL, uses the Dothraki and/or the dragons to decimate the Lannister troops and Euron's fleet, then storm the city with the Unsullied. Done. Or maybe the storm won't even be necessary - after a a show of dragon power she can simply demand a surrender and promise to let Cersei and Jaime live. I'm not saying that is guaranteed to work, but she doesn't even try!
By Archmaster Schevlaten.... Schevlatesh...? Shylvatish. Aaaaah, The great sieges of Westeros! Thrilling subject. Shame, Archmaester Schavealton wasn't a better writer :) hahahaha!
This was when this show was at it's best. Good acting, good dialogue, a story and all done in one room. I'm all for CGI dragons etc but this is it for me.
D&D: says "Pigshit" with as much confidence as Bronn(when he mispronounces the Archmaester's name) At least we know that Bronn tried, whereas we can hope beyond hope that D&D have better to offer than the Pigshit they try to pass off as successful scriptwriting.
Bronn over here acting like he’s holding some secret knowledge on starvation being the main killer in a siege, when it’s pretty common knowledge both in Westeros and our own history.
For him it's more common knowledge. To people like Varys and Tyrion, who haven't firsthand experienced a siege from the non-soldier or nobility level, that isn't common knowledge
These three men are dealing with a defense plan that will decide the fate of a continent in multiple ways yet it also feels like three class mates dealing with a project and not knowing what to do.
The thing I always noticed in this scene is the physical performance from Bron beginning the scene picking his fingers to then be told to stop by Tyrion to plan with him; Tyrion asserts himself by forcing him to stop, Varys enters and compliments bron on something Tyrion hadn’t known he had done and didn’t know its effect ness for the upcoming siege. Bron sees this and immediately goes back to picking his fingers
There's a ton of subtleties in this scene, the dialogues were well written, the deliveries even better. Can you really believe the show went from this to season 8?
Ahh the old charismatic and exotic Varys of the earlier seasons. Shame how they butchered his character into a not-so-smart anymore person in the final season and killed him off as a very ineffective plot point.
@@MrLeSa95 yup, the smartness, the banter in the face of diplomacy, the tongue-in-cheekness of the show is all gone. In its conclusion, Game of thrones lost one of its most identifiable characteristics. What a shame!
Despite the limited resources at hand, the defense of King's landing was way better planned and prepared than the one during "the long night" where they had time and manpower....
The day was saved at the last moment when Tyrion cleverly thought of putting up a giant movie screen and began projecting scenes from Game of Thrones Season 8 upon it... Stanis' army instantly recoiled in abject horror, and instead of trying to break down the walls of King's Landing they began building up new walls surrounding King's Landing to completely enclose it, guarding it day and night with all the combined forces of mankind across Westeros, Essos, and even the Night's King gave up his plans for eternal night, solely to ensure that the horrors of what lay within Season 8 may never escape into the rest of the world...
Bronn: *doesn’t know what interest is, had a pragmatic albeit brutish view of how to keep the peace, and is canonically illiterate in the books* D&D: “That’s our Master of Coin.”
This scene only works if Varys doesn’t know. He’s a procure of information, gives the illusion of knowing everything. The fact that he doesn’t know but is willing to learn to best serve the realm
Bronn: "WTF is interest?"
D&D: "He'll be the perfect Master of Coin"
Yeah that was one of the biggest wtf's of the whole season 8 shitshow...
@@maxmalten7749 Are you serious?
@@kobe_mnlpz well shame he kicked the bucket
@@maxmalten7749 nah he's still a treacherous cunt HAHAHA
@@maxmalten7749 Because back then King Robert didn't even care. If he'd lived any longer and a Lannister/Baratheon conflict would have broken out, the Lannisters would have demanded their gold back. Robb was financed by Tywin.
Love how Bronn confidently pronounces the Archmaester's name wrong
He sure had ME fooled!
Reminds me of the time I butchered “Vercingetorix.”
It's a running joke lol no one knows how to pronounce his name, even the head maester at the citadel pronounced the name differently than these two did. Tho I personally think Bronn was the one who pronounced it correctly
I bet he did pronounce it correctly, but Varys overheard them saying the name and decided Tyrion should be right. He's a master troll.
Remember, it's not what you know. It's who you can fool.
This scene alone is more intriguing and well thought out than all of season 8.
Andrew E ... as is a good pancake recipe.
Except for, ironically, the scene with Bronn. I loved that scene
Johny Reyes. I like Bronn but I don’t really see the purpose of that scene. It was nice having Bronn, but I don’t see where it goes given the current rushed plot :/
And 5 and 6 and 7
Especially considering this is reason Bronn should have been Master of War.
Love the look on Varys and Tyrion's faces after they realise what he's done to the known thieves.
Varys: "My birds...."
Kevin Lebby OMFG XD I NEVER REALIZED THAT. Though probably they served as spies not thieves
@@baccaismemebob2603 No, they were thieves but recruited as informants in exchange for being spared imprisonment. Just like the police functions today.
oh wait, is that the same tyrion that is fine with "thieves" being murdered" as the tyrion giving lectures about how Daennerys is mad because she crucified slavers that did the same thing to children? I loved this show back when it was smart and the characters weren't hypocrites.
@@matokrajniak1901 I know right? same Tyrion that think Dany should be killed is the same that was ready to free his sister out of the kings landing after all the horrible things she has done. smh
"Ahhh, The Game of Thrones, a thrilling story. Shame D&D weren't better writers."
How is this not getting more likes???
😄
@@mar10ssj1 give it time
Holy Shit this comment is more golden than Tywin Lannisters old gold mines!
OMG, dude, and I thought atomic bomb could turn people into ashes, but this comment...
This is the part of Bronn that appealed to me the most: that of the knowledgable and pragmatic sellsword who’s survived to his age for a reason instead of the overreaching castle-fixated child I saw more of in later seasons.
@Look How They Massacred My UA-cam Absolutely a logical arc for his character, years of dealing with the Lannisters and not seeing much for it before probably the greatest war to reach the seven kingdoms since Robert's Rebellion. He just started realizing that he needs to finally settle down since his fighting and surviving days are over.
@@spacepopeXIV Yet for some reason, they all give him the position of master of coin to a guy who probably does not even know how to properly read two words and has been given a whole kingdom of the Six Kingdoms for himself (NOTE: He is not dumb either, but he would have been better as Master of War or something of the sorts, as well as giving a deposed reach lord's castle and lands BUT NOT THE WHOLE REACH, in that way, he could he comptent, and with a much more satisfying and logical ending for a mercenary who does not even have a last name)
@@fildariusv7045 There is a theory he is a Reyne or Tarbeck survivor hence why he has no last name he *gives*. In fact while in the ASoIAF he may have become a bard who is to say Bronn wasn't a Tarbeck heir who survived the well. After all he has a great set of lungs on him to rescue Jamie and he doesn't like the song Rains of Castamere any more than Oberyn did. Playing long game. Something has always felt off about Bronn being a simple sellsword. Also how he found his way to Lannister camp. Along with the reading here. Remember Arya and Tywin conversation. A sellsword doesn't need to read many books or read at all. Just fight. Yet Bronn displays a lot more than just street smarts on occasion and his obsession with castles might tie in to what was lost. The rebellion was only 29 years before the wedding of Joffrey so age wise could work also. There is his swift rebuttal when Tyrion says Bronn son of and he says "you wouldn't know him" again a simple sellsword probably knows Tyrion won't know him but would still say the name. Just ....a bit like, if I can bring a separate work in as example, Teddy from Equaliser says about Robert McCall. There is something wrong about him. I don't buy he is a mere sellsword. Being aware of what happens in sieges would tie in with the siege of Tarbeck ancestral home for example.
The entire point of the character was to show how the formal, ministerial nature of warfare was ignorant and impersonal. Bronn as book would have spat on political appointment.
@@Leisurelee53 Hell, in the books he manages to marry Lady Stokeworth from the Crownlands and after... "Helping" his wife to be the only proper heir, he becomes Lord Stokeworth, a true and proper lord with his own personal army of mercenaries
Bronn is much smarter than he looks
Happens when you have targ blood in you
@@maggimaster Reyne*
He’s an old mercenary (40+ year old). Never underestimate an old man in a profession where man die young.
I'd say he's probably smartest man In show. From catelynn starks hired help, escorting Tyrion, trial by combat in Vale, hill tribes, battle of the black water, helping jaime train, escort to dorne, siege of riverrun, field of fire, now heading north
If you've survived this long you've got more than luck on your side
@@buckotualthal5078 He was the first one to spot the dothraki invasion too. Impressive stuff.
2:05 tfw you lose half your spys in King's Landing
its the dude wtf moment
Those eyes!
W8 what?
Whose spies?
@@napolien1310 varys's spies....his expression says it all
@@pardharam3167 these thieves are adults.
Varys's spies are kids, his spies steal information.
Bronn: "we can throw books at his men"
Varys: "we don't have that many books"
Bronn: "we don't have that many men either"
I like how varys responds to bronn's sarcasm with even more sarcasm, and bronn with even more more sarcasm
XD lol EPIC sarcasm...
Varys knows his audience. And Bronn is a performer.
Sarcasm within sarcasm withing sarcasm within my brain is melting!
Also 666th like
Bronn was an extremely intelligent person. If his life went in a completely different direction as a kid and he chose to study at the citadel, he would be wiser and more cunning that Varys for sure. One of my favourite characters.
The gesture Tyrion does when Varys pronounces the name of arch maester Ch'vyaliathan is pricesless.
"Ah... see? That's how you pronounce it"
but does Varys actually pronounce it correctly?
I thinks he is just subtly saying that he heard every word of their conversation.
@@ridgesail Go forward a little more until when Varys says it. Minute 2:53
Which was still wrong. In the episodes in the Citadel, Sam's mentor, the Grandmaester, pronounces it and Tyrion was actually the closest.
Back when Tyrion was smart and a good advisor.
My thoughts on S6-8 is that its is difficult to maintain tension when the side do not have an equal chance at thwarting the other side. I feel like if they made the decisio,n consciously or not to dumb down, Tyrion and the other "clever" characters to maintain parity instead of writing Qyburn or Euron to be more clever.
@@dbillau If the characters lead the story then the result is fine, the problem comes when the story leads the characters, that's why Tyrion is out of character and become foolish, that's why Euron is the best marksmen in the world for a day, that's why Jaime doesn't care about the people in King's Landing despite killing the mad king to spare everyone in king's landing earning the title of kingslayer and all the shame that accompanies it. The writing was just awful.
Seems like the longer Tyrion's beard got , the less clever he got
Now let’s give tyrion credit. His ideas in latter season WHERE good ideas in theory have the iron born transport the dornish and atrack from two fronts. Take the seat of power your enemies House. Blame D&D for making Cersei the final boss
He kinda forgot
"We could throw books at his men"
"We don't have that many books"
I love how Varys responded to that as if it were a serious suggestion, to throw books at the enemy.
Knowledge is power aint it
Bronn come back was much better " we don't have many men either "
It's this kind of brainstorming that led to the obvious answer: pigshit. Such brilliant writing and dialog back then. From all three of them. It's a shame dumb and dumber weren't better writers.
well desperate time requires desperate measures...
Varys knew he was joking. He was implying that King's Landing's library is trash considering it's KINGS LANDING. He was bitching about not having more books.
"We could throw books at his men!"
"We don't have that many books."
"We don't have that many men either."
*GODDAMNIT WHERE DID THIS DIALOGUE GO IN SEASON 8?*
The dialogue was gone *far* before season 8. Season 6 or even 5, it started to deteriorate
@@8mmkyle865 they speak too "modern" even from season 1 a lot of the time. The books might be that way, haven't read them yet
Felice Graziano then why did you say that if you haven't read the books? Lol
But if you'd like to know from someone who has read the books, yeah they do for the most part. I don't think talking in the first in full sentences like Shakespearian dialogue would capture the attention of millions of viewers, so it's an understandable choice. Besides *a lot* of the dialogue from season 1-4 was taken right out from the books, like word for word... another reason why the earlier seasons are so good
Felice Graziano yeah but it’s not like this even takes place in our universe In the first place so “modern” doesn’t necessarily apply.
Gods the writing was strong then!
The change from Varys' curious face when he heard the thieves are rounded up to his shocked one when he hears "No". It's like you can hear "OH, MY BIRDS! :O :(("
How did I never notice that?! That's hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣
god *damn* the sheer difference between this and the latest seasons is like night and freaking day. What happened to the unmatched wit and strategic mind Tyrion had? What happened to the thrilling dialogue and subtle facial expressions?
No more dialogue from GRR Martin to reference
No George, and D&D writing.
Check out Dragon Demands, he explains everything.
D&D ran out of content from GRRM. And it turned out that they on their own don't have what it takes to write the story.
Season 8 like - “Ok Tyrion, walk around and do the emotion face”
It’s the look on their faces when they realise bronn has already been preparing for the siege 😂 by rounding up the worst of the thieves to stop them selling out the city
"How did you accomplish this marked drop in thievery?
"Me and the lads rounded up all of the known thieves!"
"... For questioning?"
"Ahhhh, no..."
"...............We talked about this"
Brett the Behemoth please enlighten me what did he do.
Guinea Pig I assume he killed them or chopped of some hands
He killed almost all the thieves in town
@@Ferrettototo he got the executioner to earn his keep.
Did he execute them? I've always thought he just hired them as Gold Cloaks.
Tyrion: Stannis knows King's Landing.
Varys: *aggressive nod*
All three of these characters were utterly humiliated in season 8
How was Bronn humiliated though? He got the bloody Reach and a seat at the Small Council.
@@Tonypikmin i meant that he was humiliated from a character writing perspective not in the story itself. His character became so annoying and dumb without any explanation. From treating tyrion and jamie like shit after so much to making cringy jokes at a council he had no business being part of.
@@freemanskush7910 Oh yeah, I should have figured out you meant that.
I agree 100%.
It's incredible what Dumb & Dumber have done to the show ...
CrniWuk Nice original joke...
@@esaiaswalker8944 I know it's not mine. But it fits.
what joke? that's just their name now ye fooken pansy
@@esaiaswalker8944 It doesn't have to be original, you fucking cretin. It's the truth.
The game of thrones fan base is quickly turning as toxic as Star Wars fans.
how elegantly, Varys feeds the fire on both sides, marvellous, genius!
That's what makes him one of the most intriguing characters
I don't get it. Can someone translate it for me? Hehe.
GODS THE WRITING WAS GOOD THEN
But now only madness, madness and stupidity.
That's because they copied the books word for word.
Bobby B❤
jeco F good point
Shows how better authors are
I wish the war of five kings never ended.
Yolo Swaggins The people of Westeros would like to know your location
@@Attam0604 😂😂😂
So would The Mountain, Polliver and the other 498 mad dogs Tywin sent to the Riverlands to plunder and set it on fire.
You lil monster
Do it like clone wars. Extend it with small battles for a season or two.
A lot of good makes good become not good. More seasons filled with war would become boring faster than you’d expect. GRRM knew this so after writing 2 books filled with war he made his next book dedicated to the spoils of that war and what happens after it.
Back when battles were planned carefully over weeks instead of one meeting
I love how they were debating how to say the author's name before Varys nonchalantly mentions it in conversation.
Pretty sure Varys was listening in before he entered the room.
When you're working on a school project...IN A GROUP.
Season 2 : it takes Stannis 9 episodes to make his way to KL & the viewer's anticipation is thrilling
Season 8 : Euron Greyjoy snaps his fingers and teleports around the world , and his biggest accomplishment was not killing Jaime Lannister
@John Jaxson haha good point . Forgot about that
I don’t think fast travel ruined season 8. It was the more general pacing and direction of the story imo. Season 1 had Cat going from winterfell to KL to the riverlands to the eyrie within 2 eps. GoT can pull the fast travel off. It just didn’t do it right in season 8. Even with its fast travel in earlier seasons, it gave time to characters to interact and breathe instead of just pushing plot points forward like season 8
@John Jaxson he seems more proud about killing a criple than a dragon
"Shame archmaester Chewhatever wasn't a better writer" another beautiful foreshadowing from earlier seasons, this one about D&D themselves!
Edit: this is my frist time being in situation to write "edit: omg so many likes I didn't expect this to ever happen", so thank you guys, all 1900+ of you, it is a special feeling 🤗
Good one, like it.
Ch'Vyalthan
How on earth do they mispronounce 'than' as 'teesh'?
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HAHAHA this is pure gold!
2:53 Replace with D&D
Lmaoo
Under rated comment 😂
Hah!
Exactly
I thought the same!
The look the characters give eachother when Varys pronunces the name right. Its the little things
The marked drop in thievery is one of my favourite lines from all the seasons.
"for questioning?"
"errrrrr no"
“Me and the lads rounded up all the known thieves.”
“...For questioning?”
“Uhh no.”
Lol Love that deadpan delivery.
🤣🤣
I have a suspicion that he was, in fact, sneaking through alleyways still. He never did answer that one...
I still can’t believe Tyrion betrayed Varys :(
Varys betrayed his Queen
It was either his head or Varys. I guess he had to snitch.
D & D betrayed Varys by making him stupid
@@juansantiago8943 since when tyrion reveals all the game behind even if it implicate treason? even with joffrey he was defiant despise his safety.
@@blackmorewolf that was my reaction for me , when I watched that scene for the first time. But I agree with you, Tyrion betraying Varys like that, one of his best friend and confidant, it was unexpected and weird for me. I guess I'm still trying to understand season 8.
The irony of bron wanting to keep his hands clean is better writing than all of season 8.
I swear if Tywin saw what Tyrion was actually like I think there’s a good chance he’d love him as much as we do
No way. He knows Tyrion is clever. He could NEVER do anything right in his father's eyes. Didn't matter what it was.
Tyrion could make the Iron Bank kiss their own asses in front of Tywin and he still wouldn't be impressed.
@@GoodwillWright he'd say they should have kissed his ass.
That’s one of the reasons why he hated Tyrion, aside from constant whoring. Very much alike in terms of leading
I believe Tyrion inherited his father's smarts and he was proud to an extent made him acting hand of the king only cause he knew he was capable. But tywin couldn't get past the fact he killed his wife in childbirth. Jamie inherited his strength Cersei was just as cunning as tywin. If only the 3 lanister kids joined forces properly they make up a twin lanister
"Me and the lads rounded up all the known thieves"
"...for questioning? ..."
"Ahhh no."
God the writing is so crisp here, even the humor is drier.
Mmmm crispy writing
Gods the writing was strong then
who knew this guy would become lord of highgarden and master of coin
Only in the stupid show
"Wtf is interest?" Wont lie, I died when I heard that line. I'm awful writing, but my god Bronn. Just amazing his blunt as a brick wall reaction is.
"It's just the unknown thieves we need to worry about, now."
I'm sad to see them together now... "What have you done" Tyrion???
He did nothing fuck d and d
Notice how when Martin's books ended the dialogue started to die
NO CAPES
Edna would be proud. She would like Bronn 😂
NO FIRE
I would gladly read "An history of the great sieges of Westeros"
Watch these 3 videos ! :D
ua-cam.com/play/PLOjUdznmpOjiJQD_rOpw4iX8Vj-AoxGUe.html
I love the reference to Archmaester Ch'Vyalthan in season 7
When..?
@@Pat4ever. In Episode 2. Try this video:
ua-cam.com/video/LPsIG7zo1cI/v-deo.html
At around 02:15
@@theot.2869 Never caught that, that's awesome
Why does Varys looks like one of the cartoons from Mulan? :D
Because having your balls cut off before puberty is bad for physical development
I'd love for someone to remind this discussion to Tyrion in Season 7 when he called for laying siege to KL. Or better yet, remind it to the two mokeys who wrote that moronic script for him to say.
which point exactly do you criticise?
@@RKBock That it's somehow smarter, more moral or merciful to besiege the city rather than just take it, which caused them to meander with Dany's stupid invasion for the entire season instead of being done with it in an episode or two.
@@Alknix well, that depends on how you take the city. if a dragon sets fire to a few buildings, the whole city will be aflame. (medieval european cities were very tightly packed and fires were always horrific)
a blaze from a dragon would could possibly start a fire that would run through the whole city, killing most of its population.
But flying over and burning the red keep to the ground could win the war. or cercei could flee into the tunnels where she would be protected from an aerial dragon attack. or flee out of the red keep into the streets.
"just take it" is easier said than done. a lot of people would want to fight to their death. burning the city down wouldn't be a solution either. (ruling over a black spot surrounded by walls full with a million charred corpses would not exactly help you with anything besides being hated and feared by the whole continent)
Really, the only way I see for her to take the city without a siege would be to fly into the red keep and only burn it down. afterwards occupy it and hope that the civilians surrender. which would still end in the whole city hating her and most of the remaining court as well as the citizen trying to assassinate her and her dragons in the next year. (one stray arrow is enough to kill even the mightiest emperor)
In other words: though the series' arguments might have been dumb, taking the city by force would not accomplish much. her best bet would be to gather power and allies around the kingdom. weakening the power of king's landing to the point that the city would be (almost) alone at which point it would surrender.
that's my opinion at least.
tyrion this season " me say joke, me dwarf me have balls me tell joke why no laugh ? "
@@RKBock You're absolutely right, she should've been working to win the lords and people of Westeros to her side, exactly like Tyrion said. Like, reinforce Riverrun and the Wall, root out bandits, provide relief effort, all that. Prove that Cersei is lying about her. Except then she doesn't do any of that either!
As for assulting the KL, aside from her dragons she also had a huge army. I would envision the assualt to go like this: she brings all her forces directly to KL, uses the Dothraki and/or the dragons to decimate the Lannister troops and Euron's fleet, then storm the city with the Unsullied. Done. Or maybe the storm won't even be necessary - after a a show of dragon power she can simply demand a surrender and promise to let Cersei and Jaime live. I'm not saying that is guaranteed to work, but she doesn't even try!
Varys face is priceless during the thieves line
Just passing to remember how good this show was.
When he says, "pig shit," he's talking about Wildfire.
Preaching to the choir, but those in the pews learn something worth knowing!
Even the little things make this scene great, like Bronn returning to picking his nails!
you should wear the gold cloak
no mom, I don't want to
By Archmaster Schevlaten....
Schevlatesh...?
Shylvatish.
Aaaaah, The great sieges of Westeros! Thrilling subject. Shame, Archmaester Schavealton wasn't a better writer :)
hahahaha!
"do you know what happens? maybe this part is not in your book" LMFAO bronn with the gold
Except that part was stupid.
The only men who could sound smart saying "pig shit".
This was when this show was at it's best. Good acting, good dialogue, a story and all done in one room. I'm all for CGI dragons etc but this is it for me.
Varys face when bron says he killed every known thief is PRICELESS 😂😂
I like how Varys comes out of the shadows.
What did he say to Bronn when greeting him?
@@KaraokeNig commander
3:38 Season 8 in a nutshell...
It's dialogue like this that makes you forget they're acting. So natural haha
Looking through the season 8 scripts
"What do we have?"
D&D: "Pigshit."
Could be said of the fan base of Game of Thrones too.
D&D: says "Pigshit" with as much confidence as Bronn(when he mispronounces the Archmaester's name)
At least we know that Bronn tried, whereas we can hope beyond hope that D&D have better to offer than the Pigshit they try to pass off as successful scriptwriting.
@@Thraxraganharapollyus Oh great another fair weather fan
Bronn over here acting like he’s holding some secret knowledge on starvation being the main killer in a siege, when it’s pretty common knowledge both in Westeros and our own history.
For him it's more common knowledge. To people like Varys and Tyrion, who haven't firsthand experienced a siege from the non-soldier or nobility level, that isn't common knowledge
Love how the Goldcloaks went from following a Prince to basically Bronn.
Varys' face when he says about the thieves XD
These three men are dealing with a defense plan that will decide the fate of a continent in multiple ways yet it also feels like three class mates dealing with a project and not knowing what to do.
GODS THE WRITING WAS STRONG THEN
SHOW WORSE WITHOUT FAT MAN'S BOOKS
I love when Varys says the right pronunciation of the Maester and Tyrion gives Bronn the "I told you so" look. :)
0:10 Bronn been every where, he probably knows sickness is more lethal than any assassin or army and how simple you can get one
Tyrion at 2:56 is gold lmao that hand of 'see? I WAS RIGHT!" lmfao
I love the look verus has when bron says no lol they were probably informants some people he knew
Bronn May die but Tyrion will give him a 🏰 to die in
First two minutes is how an old married couple annoy the fuck out of each other.
I live for Tyrion and bronns conversations
Love Tyrion’s reaction when Varys reads the Arch Maester’s name
The thing I always noticed in this scene is the physical performance from Bron beginning the scene picking his fingers to then be told to stop by Tyrion to plan with him; Tyrion asserts himself by forcing him to stop, Varys enters and compliments bron on something Tyrion hadn’t known he had done and didn’t know its effect ness for the upcoming siege. Bron sees this and immediately goes back to picking his fingers
2:16 How 2020 feels like during quarantine and lockdowns
If you listen over headphones, you can hear people training with swords in the background. Right at the beginning. It's a nice touch.
Bronn the kind of companion you want in your company in warband
*Bannerlord
@@comrademcsalty7676 Bannerlord
There's a ton of subtleties in this scene, the dialogues were well written, the deliveries even better. Can you really believe the show went from this to season 8?
Bronn always had incredible dialogue to reel in people’s stupidity. One of the great characters of GoT.
Ahh the old charismatic and exotic Varys of the earlier seasons. Shame how they butchered his character into a not-so-smart anymore person in the final season and killed him off as a very ineffective plot point.
Tyrion was butchered even more
@@MrLeSa95 yup, the smartness, the banter in the face of diplomacy, the tongue-in-cheekness of the show is all gone. In its conclusion, Game of thrones lost one of its most identifiable characteristics. What a shame!
Tyrion is every senior studying for an exam in a library and Bronn is every freshman in a library.
Despite the limited resources at hand, the defense of King's landing was way better planned and prepared than the one during "the long night" where they had time and manpower....
Back when there were scenes not from the books and felt straight from the books.
2:33,
You know even if Varys is an intelligent man,he didn’t knew about Bron's knowledge about war!
This scene is enough to illustrate why Bronn probably would make a better lord than most would think.
Man the writing was amazing on this show. Rip
‘Was’
The humor and subtly of the dialogue is so good. This is when Game of Thrones was Game of Thrones
The day was saved at the last moment when Tyrion cleverly thought of putting up a giant movie screen and began projecting scenes from Game of Thrones Season 8 upon it...
Stanis' army instantly recoiled in abject horror, and instead of trying to break down the walls of King's Landing they began building up new walls surrounding King's Landing to completely enclose it, guarding it day and night with all the combined forces of mankind across Westeros, Essos, and even the Night's King gave up his plans for eternal night, solely to ensure that the horrors of what lay within Season 8 may never escape into the rest of the world...
"A Man with experience is not at the mercy of a man with an opinion."
“We rounded up all the known thieves.”
“For questioning?”
“Eh... no.”
I hate to sound like a broken record but what happened to this clever Tyrion
carlos de leon killed off with the rest of the good writing
They're like an old married couple trying to plan a holiday. 🤣
Bronn: *doesn’t know what interest is, had a pragmatic albeit brutish view of how to keep the peace, and is canonically illiterate in the books*
D&D: “That’s our Master of Coin.”
varys face when bronn says he rounded up all known thieves... he knows some of his little birds were just killed
By the nine Talos would be proud to lift his sword in defense of this realm
This scene only works if Varys doesn’t know. He’s a procure of information, gives the illusion of knowing everything. The fact that he doesn’t know but is willing to learn to best serve the realm
back when tyrion actually had a high IQ and was smart
Yes
Bronn describing the city during a siege sounds like modern day society
Oh these two, how things have changed here in season 8 haha
1:32 what bronn says means giant in German