This is one of the best videos I have ever seen. Mr. Thomas clearly missed his calling - he should do these for a lot of things as his presentation is nothing short of excellent. I have used water for years for cleaning my black powder pistol. When I bought my pistol the gentlemen at my local gun store told me to just take my pistol apart and use the kitchen sink full of soapy - Dawn! - water and a toothbrush. Works really really good.
Just found your channel today and I like the way you do things. Being a Civil War Reenactor I have been using BP firearms for a while, even thought just firing blanks, and I use a similar method to clean my guns during the events. I use hot water (the hotter the better, this heats the metal and helps the steel to dry) to flush out the barrel and the cylinders then run a dry patch through them, then a lightly oiled patch. This works well and I have no issues with rusting. Another trick I use is to use coffee instead of plain water, this actually puts a light film on the metal to resist rusting.
I have a muzzle loader I do the hot water trick with, but I always get a bit of flash rust from the steam. How do you avoid this? I get the barrel good and hot to wear I'm using a pot holder or leather glove just to touch it.
Great video. Thank you for this entire series. Glad to see actual real life gun cleaning tips for the field and not the crazy stuff lots of people think firearms need.
I started shooting black powder revolvers accasionally back in 1989-90. You must be one of the most knowledgable persons on the subject i have ever seen or heard. Thank you for posting! Lorenzo TX. P.S. Anyone ever told you that you look alot like Billy Bob Thorton?!? Lol.
Thanks for the tips on cleaning haven't got to shoot my 1861 replica yet been watching your series of videos first my farther was a teacher he loved to teach on subjects like you haven't got a lot of extra money to spend on materials I need to shoot my gun I spent 47 dollars to day and all I got was caps and wads and a measureing thing for my black powder it's going to be a couple more weeks till I have money for powder and balls . Till then I'll watch more of your videos thanks for exsplaning so well
I thought that dropping the cones into solvent got them clean ,but using your pipe cleaner idea there were gobs of stuff in the inside of the cones. There was about 60 rounds through the gun and I am surprised there were no misfires. Personally I found to clean and lube using 1:10 Ballistol/water. The water emulsioncombination uses the water to cleans the fouling and Ballistol protects all in one pass. Finish the bore with Bore Butter and done.
after about 45 years I just got my second 1862 police, first is long gone. Had some old Hoppes , and # 77 BP solvent left over I had always used water and soap and never was comfortable with the solvents, that is what the old timers had taught me, men who had fathers and uncles in the civil war, and these men made rifle barrels out of a wagon tire, blacksmiths and outdoorsmen. I am learning these solvents are doable, but I still like water, I blast off 15 or 20 rounds , then have to clean and store loaded for months on end, a little extra work however it is worth it.
Thanks for sharing your method. Pretty basic stuff, I agree. But nice to see it done. I own a .44 Pietta 1851 Reb revolver. Got mine in 1983 from Gander Mountain for under $50 (shipping included). Probably the BEST cap-n-ball revolver for the money, especially if you're not sure that you really want to get into the sport. Inexpensive but not cheap in construction. Good video on a quick "field cleaning" for black powder guns.
Thanks very much for a very enjoyable video. I read somewhere that soldiers would sometimes pee down the barrels of their muskets to loosen up the fouling.
i have read accounts of soldiers pouring what ever they could get trying to free up the fouling so they could get a load down the bore and get back into the fight
Thanks for your videos on the black powder revolver, you had many great tips on care and shooting bp revolvers. I have been a fan of bp shooting for many years and I have learned things from you I never knew. please keep the videos coming and looking forward to them in the future.
was some good info for me! last deer season I got the uberti revolver rifle cause it holds more rounds than my regular black powder rifle then I get a follow up shot or a shot at another deer! where I live we are allowed one either or tag and 2 to 4 doe tags in a season and I do like my venison! anyways I had some rusting problems caused by having a cylinder loaded for a couple days or got a shot after a couple days then I would discharge the rest and clean and start over again! also my gun oil would cause some failure to fire once I even had all 6 shots fail I'm glad when that happened I was just trying to empty it to clean it
It sounds crazy but I use windshield washer fluid to clean my black powder guns, it works great. The windshield washer fluid is mostly alchohol so it wont rust your gun, plus it acts as a solvent to "melt" the fowling. Of course water works also, but I prefer the windshield washer fluid method. Just wanted to throw out an alternative method, that I have found to work really well.
I stumbled into 3 black powder guns about 10 years ago. I've only recently begun to shoot them, and I must say it is fun. Not very practical with modern alternatives, but a lot of fun and a lot of skill required which I don't yet have.
I really don't camp much anymore. I use hot water in a bowl and drop cylinder and EXTERNALS in and use the the hot water on the barrel and outside. I WAS using modern lubricants. I stopped real fast. I use Crisco or bore butter. Love the smell a bengay in the mornin.
I love these BP videos. I recently bought my first revolver so your videos are truly a godsend for me. If you ever get the chance I'd love to see if there's anything special you do to prep a firearm for first-time use. Or a first cleaning out of the box.
New to bp just found out they are the only legal handguns in my country glad to see a channel who is willing to teach the absolute basics what would you recommend in a pre 1900 cap and ball I will be importing from the states because the majority of revolvers for sale here are trantner and they cost a fortune 4-6 grand
yep the tranter were good guns but often officers in the british service bought colt navies..i good quality replica today is much better than the original guns in metal and wear and tear..hope you find what your looking for..safe journeys
@@BLACKIETHOMAS unfortunately modern replicas don't count and you need what is basically an impossible to get licence unless you work as a cop or armed security so 130+ year old gun with a light load it will have to be
Great video. Have you ever tried the dish soap and water for cleaning and patch lubricant? Also when you get a new black powder pistol does it new any work to make work more smoothly, polishing it up?
Soap and warm water works great for me. I only use a spray cleaner to get the oil i accidently put on the nipples when i oil the gun. Or when i bore clean the ylinder to make sure no rust forms. As th3 cleaner i use evaps fast and displaces water. Problem clesning this way with no oil is the bore of the gun will flash rust very fast.. after you clean it out you gatta dry and oil the bore inside to keep rust from happening
A man after my own heart! All I have ever used to clean my BP firearms has been soap and water. Rinse in hot water and the heat will evaporate any moisture remaining. Follow with a good protectant and you are good to go. I've never had anything against the numerous gun care products. In fact there are several that are near and dear to me, but I've never felt a need to spend money when an ordinary product would do an excellent job. I've been shooting since '71 and my first gun is still accurate and going strong, and soap and water is all I've ever used. I will admit to using Hoppe's #9 BP cleaner on my rifle occasionally, but I haven't seen any of that for a while now, so just soap and water. Don't forget the hot water rinse, but a good moisture displacing lube will work if you can't get comfortable otherwise.
The reason those products are necessary is smokeless residue, while much less, is much more stubborn and water resistant. Anyone who has ever had to clean an M16 bolt will testify to that. Using them on a black powder firearm is like trying to use a radial tire plug on a tube tire.
While you can't do this in the field of course I used to remove the grips, disassemble and put my Pietta 1860 Army in the dishwasher with the nipples and the wedge in the little plastic baskets that my dishwasher came with. After the dishwasher was finished I would remove the parts and swab the inside of the barrel and the cylinder with patch soaked in vegetable oil to clean the light coat of rust that would form on the inside surfaces and then reassemble the gun.
It has been a while. I can't remember if Black Powder or BP Substitutes are more acidic to metals. I know one is worse than the other. Dipped whole gun in hot water with something called Moose Milk in it to deactivate the acid. Scrubbed, wiped, made sure everything was dry, and lubed to the max. Used the same lube for the barrel as everything else although some are saying another type lube needs to be used in the bore. I dunno? Oh yeah. Rust can form as you are looking at it (minutes if not seconds in some temperatures). Did lots of tiny steel wool touch up and cold bluing in a hurry to stop rust in it's tracks. I think the finish on Blakie's pistol is called "Browning". I know Browning was done to lots of old Flintlocks back in the day and worked really well. Could be wrong.
i have tried black powder from several makers..and pyrodex and a few others..in my exp if you use a natural lube it will sort of season the metal kind of like a iron skillet will season over time..when a gun is new it seems to rust in seconds..once it has built up a layers of brown oxied which is dead red rust oxide..it becomes better in the field for rust prevention..still you got to keep a eye on it..i have cleaned in the field with boiling water from a canteen cup scrubbed dry relube and it looks perfect..check it again right before bed..wake up and its orange with rust..other times i have shot and not cleaned it for hours or even a few days..and no rust..just the luck of the draw..temp humidity..what your shooting ..and using for lube..all of it brings something to the table..my advice is .use natural lube..clean as best you can when you can..and check it often..
BP is acidic, the sulfides in the reside are activated by humidity and forms an acid. Pyrodex, on the other hand, leaves a salt residue. When acid attacks steel, the acid gets used up. When salt attacks steel, the salt remains and continues to attack the rest of the steel. So, while Pyrodex is not acidic, it is more corrosive because of the salt. Fortunately, water or moose milk will wash away both salt and acids.
How often do you do disassemble and strip it down I am afraid to do that on the 1858 it seems a little bit more complicated than the 1851 to put back together
Hello. If the barrel and chambers need to be lubricated with a special grease for black powder, then what is the best way to lubricate weapon parts such as the cylinder axis and other parts? Can they be lubricated with modern petroleum-based gun oils? Thank you.
Blackie, what did you do to your revolver besides taking the bluing off? Did you take it off with a buffing wheel? I ordered a Pietta sheriffs model from Cabelas today. I sure do appreciate you taking time to make these videos. I really enjoy them.
I stick my Remington in the creek and give it a good shakin underwater, shake it off & let it dry, a squirt of LPS 2 in the action. That’s it. I use Black MZ powder , no lube, and it’s stainless. Comes out spotless in seconds in cold water.
Yup! Just plain HOT water is the thing to use...and nothing else. What is most important is to flush ALL the corrosive salts remaining in/on the gun after firing. Then get it thoroughly DRY, before oiling it anywhere. Then you will get NO RUST. I been at this since 1957, aint rusted a gun yet.
Thompson Center Bore Butter is great, and in a pinch, you can use it on your biscuits in the morning if'n you run out of the real stuff! Ok, just joking, do not substitute Thompson Bore Butter on your biscuits it'll give you a gut ache and the trots for a week and it really don't taste all that great!
i have seasoned several of my guns by doing a good cleaning then warming them up and soaking them in good oil i try not to put modern oil in the bore for the reasons i have said many times but the outside will seem to be less prone to flash rusting..i dont like wd 40 because it drys out and what it leaves behind does not seem to do well with percussion revolver to be honest if not true gun oil look for 3 in one machine oil it works well
I have recently fired my bp Remington for the first time , and I love it. I am thinking of buying another Pietta revolver for a Christmas gift to myself.
Hi Blackie. Have you ever used modern rust preventative, such as Ballistol, with your revolvers? I have' but used alcohol to remove it before shooting. I have had a little rust with Bore Butter. Just wondering your take. Thanks Mike .
dat, is a beautiful revolver, and they can be converted, one of the greatests designs from remington, this poor fella is stuck in between the ancient past and the modern times.
+torpedo jones if you keep it black powder you do not need a concealed carry license in most States it is not considered a firearm I know in Texas they are exempt from open carry laws
Even though exempt, you can still be hassled and maybe even arrested. They would rather haul you in and let you fight it than to admit that they are wrong.
Hey Blackie , Ive been reading a lot about cleaning and protecting BP guns, you mentioned brake fluid and using petroleum based products fir lube and protections...etc what about protecting a BP gun with FROG LUBE, its supposed to be water based...I cant seem to find any vids on youtube about this....and they say nothing on their website
yep that's all my father in-law used hot water thanks for showing he wasn't very open bout teaching what he knew that's all he shot was b,p I'll be thinking hard about this and trying it so with pistols you don't need like fffg just regular powder ?
Hello. I’ve only watched maybe a dozen of your videos since I’ve found the channel. Not sure if you mentioned this in other videos though. In the 1860’s era - how long did people leave their cap & ball revolvers loaded before firing / cleaning? I just got a Remington copy this month, my first BP gun, and find that it’s tedious to clean - but your tutorials are good and helpful! However, I wonder if Loaded, how long could a person reasonably keep it loaded without firing / cleaning it? I had a great uncle who had a rusty old Colt cap & ball on the fireplace mantle in his farmhouse bedroom for decades. As long as I can remember. As he got to the end of his life he got Alzheimer’s pretty bad. One day he didn’t show up for his routine breakfast so a cousin went to check on him. He feared an intruder and shot at her... After all those 18+ years it was loaded and still fired! I was curious how long can a person reasonably keep a cap & ball loaded before firing it to empty and then cleaning it?
i have seen guns loaded for yrs fire like it was fresh loaded..it depends on may factors weather /humidity ect..a good rule of thumb to me has been 3 to six months..change caps is ya think it may be suspect
Hello, I own a 1858 Pietta Black Powder Revolver and I use black powder substitute. Would the cleaning techniques that you have shown in this video work for that too? I am kind of learning as I go on how to clean my revolver. Any help you can give would be awesome!
i shoot substitute powder most of the time..the cleaning is the same for all my revolvers warm water will remove the crud and leave the bore clean..wipe all metal with a damp rag then dry and follow up with a lube..after i have cleaned in this way and i am home and put the gun away i check on it once a day for a few days to be sure i didn't miss anything..if its good after say 2 days its usually safe to store for months with no problems..if i do find some small area thats wants to rust i will wipe down remove and surface rust and re lube and continue checking till i am sure its all good...hope this helps ya..safe journeys
All powder has a fuel. Oxidizer. And accelerate. Sulfer . salt peter and charcoal is black powder. There are salts im the powder and un burned powder. You just wanna get that crud off so the salts dont pit and eat the metal. Clean it. Wipe a thin layar of oil to prevent oxidation and ur good.
I am having trouble with the cylinder of my 1858 remmington army. The cylinder is really really hard to get in and out. What am I doing wrong it is brand new. Is it cuz I need to clean it or do i need to take it to a smith cuz something isn't right. I thought the cylinder is supost to come out and back in easily?
I got to ask, have you heard of frog lube? What would you think about this in black powder Guns? I know it’s a Cleaner Lubricant but it also turns hard like a wax until it gets heated up... Anyway let me know your thoughts, great video by the way keep them coming Blackie.
i have to be honest here i have not had any exp. with frog lube..my advice is try it.watch very closely for hard tar or fouling problems..if it does well use it..i have tried many many things over the yrs some were great others not so much..and please let me know how it works for you..thanks for the comment safe journeys
to detail i will full strip and clan with hot water and dish soap first..then follow with clear water to rinse..then toothbrush in tight spots or twisted up pipe cleaners to really get in the nooks and cranies..then light oil everything..then grease bore cyl pin with bore butter..and reassemble
Great video Blackie. Regarding Gun Butter, there's none to be had down here, could it be possible to use a mixture of beeswax and olive oil? I have a book on firearms written in the early XIX century and they used boiling water to clean their guns and olive oil as a lubricant.
+RobertoDonatti yes you can..lard/tallow/oil/with wax all can be used basically if its safe to eat then its ok to use just add a thickener to make sure it stays put
BLACKIE THOMAS, thanks! You’re videos have been very helpful. I’m brand new to the black powder world! Excited to get out there and start getting acquainted!
Depends. I use 20 grains of 3Fg in my Colt 1860 Army, but since my Colt Walker has much larger chambers despite both being .44 cal, I go all the way up to 50 grains.
Everyone I have ever shot with or observed does not. Among other thing, this practice would run the risk of getting a tiny amount of fouling in the nipples, running the risk of a misfire wit the next shot, unless you carefully pick each nipple afterwards. But I am sure that somewhere, somebody does that. It is your call.
In camp I remove all the nipples and dump the cylinder and the nipples in my tin cup over the fire. Once they are hot, I'll run the brush thru the chambers and a doubled up pipe cleaner thru the threads. The nipples get a tooth brushing and a good look at the nipple flash holes. By the time I'm done, the heated metal has dried and is ready for oil. The frame and bore get the hot water patch treatment and toothbrushing like I would any other pistol. You can even totally immerse the frame in hot water to get into the works, Just get it hot enough to dry quickly to prevent rust and so all water will evaporate. For this I use the bigger camp pot. When I'm done, I lube it and spray a little Brake Cleaner into the innards, let it runs out and dry again (while still warm). Then some spray rust preventive into the bits. After 40 years, I have no rusted BP guns. Bore butter? Seasoning? I'm a little skeptical about the need for that, but the Bore Butter is a good product. Yeah, the patina looks good. I have two BP rifles, a Tennessee Mountain Rifle and a Lyman GPR, both from '79 and '80 respectively. They look real nice on the wall with a nice false patina. I don't have the $$$ for a "real" wall hanger.
This is one of the best videos I have ever seen. Mr. Thomas clearly missed his calling - he should do these for a lot of things as his presentation is nothing short of excellent. I have used water for years for cleaning my black powder pistol. When I bought my pistol the gentlemen at my local gun store told me to just take my pistol apart and use the kitchen sink full of soapy - Dawn! - water and a toothbrush. Works really really good.
Just found your channel today and I like the way you do things.
Being a Civil War Reenactor I have been using BP firearms for a while, even thought just firing blanks, and I use a similar method to clean my guns during the events. I use hot water (the hotter the better, this heats the metal and helps the steel to dry) to flush out the barrel and the cylinders then run a dry patch through them, then a lightly oiled patch. This works well and I have no issues with rusting. Another trick I use is to use coffee instead of plain water, this actually puts a light film on the metal to resist rusting.
I have a muzzle loader I do the hot water trick with, but I always get a bit of flash rust from the steam. How do you avoid this? I get the barrel good and hot to wear I'm using a pot holder or leather glove just to touch it.
@@billmelater6470 mix the water with soap
Great video. Thank you for this entire series. Glad to see actual real life gun cleaning tips for the field and not the crazy stuff lots of people think firearms need.
I started shooting black powder revolvers accasionally back in 1989-90. You must be one of the most knowledgable persons on the subject i have ever seen or heard. Thank you for posting! Lorenzo TX. P.S. Anyone ever told you that you look alot like Billy Bob Thorton?!? Lol.
Very good video, it's nice to see a tried and true method of cleaning these gems.
Thanks for the tips on cleaning haven't got to shoot my 1861 replica yet been watching your series of videos first my farther was a teacher he loved to teach on subjects like you haven't got a lot of extra money to spend on materials I need to shoot my gun I spent 47 dollars to day and all I got was caps and wads and a measureing thing for my black powder it's going to be a couple more weeks till I have money for powder and balls . Till then I'll watch more of your videos thanks for exsplaning so well
I thought that dropping the cones into solvent got them clean ,but using your pipe cleaner idea there were gobs of stuff in the inside of the cones. There was about 60 rounds through the gun and I am surprised there were no misfires. Personally I found to clean and lube using 1:10 Ballistol/water. The water emulsioncombination uses the water to cleans the fouling and Ballistol protects all in one pass. Finish the bore with Bore Butter and done.
I thoroughly enjoy listening to this guy....good job!
Thanks for taking the time to share your experience !
I have enjoyed your teaching and videos. Good focus and angle changes. Keep up the good work! Learned a lot about percussion revolvers.
after about 45 years I just got my second 1862 police, first is long gone. Had some old Hoppes , and # 77 BP solvent left over I had always used water and soap and never was comfortable with the solvents, that is what the old timers had taught me, men who had fathers and uncles in the civil war, and these men made rifle barrels out of a wagon tire, blacksmiths and outdoorsmen. I am learning these solvents are doable, but I still like water, I blast off 15 or 20 rounds , then have to clean and store loaded for months on end, a little extra work however it is worth it.
"My nipples are stainless steel." LOL I actually spit my beer on my computer screen! I mean, its an informative video, but hilarious too.
yep it feels weird to say it as well
I believe the historical term is "cones".
Gotta have those hardened nipples
I have balls of steel, my wife has steel nippels.
...they call 'em "cheminées" in French... :-)
Thanks for sharing your method. Pretty basic stuff, I agree. But nice to see it done. I own a .44 Pietta 1851 Reb revolver. Got mine in 1983 from Gander Mountain for under $50 (shipping included). Probably the BEST cap-n-ball revolver for the money, especially if you're not sure that you really want to get into the sport. Inexpensive but not cheap in construction. Good video on a quick "field cleaning" for black powder guns.
I use Thompson's #13 cleaning solution, and I always anti-seize the nipple threads. Plus I wax the cylinder pin.
As a newbie ..... Thank You for the quick and dirty post. I wasn't sure what to do for a day at the range
Thanks for the tips I have put the using an old cap tin for a lube storing it has helped save space thanks.
Thanks for the video. Greetings from Poland.
I would recomment a 1;10 mix of Ballistol amd water. the water cleans, the Ballistol give a lubricated finish. Works well and smells good.
Moose milk!
5-1 is better
Moooossseeee milk
Smells good? Ballistol has to be the smelliest thing I've ever used. Maybe it's just me, but it smells like an old gym bag.
Exactly the video I was looking for. Thank you.
your the man Tom thanks for your advise!
my pleasure
just bought a Pietta Remington New Model Army as a backup when hunting. definitely gonna use this process when i go deer hunting for a weekend
Thanks very much for a very enjoyable video. I read somewhere that soldiers would sometimes pee down the barrels of their muskets to loosen up the fouling.
i have read accounts of soldiers pouring what ever they could get trying to free up the fouling so they could get a load down the bore and get back into the fight
Thanks for your videos on the black powder revolver, you had many great tips on care and shooting bp revolvers. I have been a fan of bp shooting for many years and I have learned things from you I never knew. please keep the videos coming and looking forward to them in the future.
Inflation. That Walmart kit is $20 now in 2020.
I read somewhere that Lee's Army carried Coor's beer for cleaning purposes. I enjoy chasing nipples. "Nipples Up" !
LOL
That would have been quite a trick. Coors brewery wasn't founded until 1873.
@@jimmckim3565 I guess they used some other caustic liquid then.
Excellent video, thank you for making it.
You have been a great help for me, thank you
thanks for an awesome and helpful video
--Rick
Still relevant! Thanks for the help!
was some good info for me! last deer season I got the uberti revolver rifle cause it holds more rounds than my regular black powder rifle then I get a follow up shot or a shot at another deer! where I live we are allowed one either or tag and 2 to 4 doe tags in a season and I do like my venison! anyways I had some rusting problems caused by having a cylinder loaded for a couple days or got a shot after a couple days then I would discharge the rest and clean and start over again! also my gun oil would cause some failure to fire once I even had all 6 shots fail I'm glad when that happened I was just trying to empty it to clean it
Larry Lee
love the video,,, love the gun,,,, gr from the Netherlands.
It sounds crazy but I use windshield washer fluid to clean my black powder guns, it works great. The windshield washer fluid is mostly alchohol so it wont rust your gun, plus it acts as a solvent to "melt" the fowling. Of course water works also, but I prefer the windshield washer fluid method. Just wanted to throw out an alternative method, that I have found to work really well.
I stumbled into 3 black powder guns about 10 years ago. I've only recently begun to shoot them, and I must say it is fun. Not very practical with modern alternatives, but a lot of fun and a lot of skill required which I don't yet have.
Great videos Blackie !!!
Excellent vid Blackie 👍
I really don't camp much anymore. I use hot water in a bowl and drop cylinder and EXTERNALS in and use the the hot water on the barrel and outside. I WAS using modern lubricants. I stopped real fast. I use Crisco or bore butter. Love the smell a bengay in the mornin.
I love these BP videos. I recently bought my first revolver so your videos are truly a godsend for me. If you ever get the chance I'd love to see if there's anything special you do to prep a firearm for first-time use. Or a first cleaning out of the box.
+TheAtarashiikaze i am planing on getting a new 1851navy soon..i will do a unbox set up then
'nuther good'n, Blackie Keep 'Em Com'n. ATB Terry God Bless
New to bp just found out they are the only legal handguns in my country glad to see a channel who is willing to teach the absolute basics what would you recommend in a pre 1900 cap and ball I will be importing from the states because the majority of revolvers for sale here are trantner and they cost a fortune 4-6 grand
yep the tranter were good guns but often officers in the british service bought colt navies..i good quality replica today is much better than the original guns in metal and wear and tear..hope you find what your looking for..safe journeys
@@BLACKIETHOMAS unfortunately modern replicas don't count and you need what is basically an impossible to get licence unless you work as a cop or armed security so 130+ year old gun with a light load it will have to be
best of luck to you them..safe journeys
Great video. Have you ever tried the dish soap and water for cleaning and patch lubricant? Also when you get a new black powder pistol does it new any work to make work more smoothly, polishing it up?
Excellent video!
Soap and warm water works great for me. I only use a spray cleaner to get the oil i accidently put on the nipples when i oil the gun. Or when i bore clean the ylinder to make sure no rust forms. As th3 cleaner i use evaps fast and displaces water.
Problem clesning this way with no oil is the bore of the gun will flash rust very fast.. after you clean it out you gatta dry and oil the bore inside to keep rust from happening
KISS...as Daddy said, "if you think about too much 'yer 'gonna do it rong."🤔
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Real good stuff here.
thanks
A man after my own heart! All I have ever used to clean my BP firearms has been soap and water. Rinse in hot water and the heat will evaporate any moisture remaining. Follow with a good protectant and you are good to go. I've never had anything against the numerous gun care products. In fact there are several that are near and dear to me, but I've never felt a need to spend money when an ordinary product would do an excellent job.
I've been shooting since '71 and my first gun is still accurate and going strong, and soap and water is all I've ever used. I will admit to using Hoppe's #9 BP cleaner on my rifle occasionally, but I haven't seen any of that for a while now, so just soap and water. Don't forget the hot water rinse, but a good moisture displacing lube will work if you can't get comfortable otherwise.
The reason those products are necessary is smokeless residue, while much less, is much more stubborn and water resistant. Anyone who has ever had to clean an M16 bolt will testify to that. Using them on a black powder firearm is like trying to use a radial tire plug on a tube tire.
Watched a video that shows washing with hot water to clean up my the black powder pistol works great. Just a light oiling afterwards.
its how i do it..cleans easy and quick dry and oil and your done
Excellent video- thank you
While you can't do this in the field of course I used to remove the grips, disassemble and put my Pietta 1860 Army in the dishwasher with the nipples and the wedge in the little plastic baskets that my dishwasher came with. After the dishwasher was finished I would remove the parts and swab the inside of the barrel and the cylinder with patch soaked in vegetable oil to clean the light coat of rust that would form on the inside surfaces and then reassemble the gun.
It has been a while. I can't remember if Black Powder or BP Substitutes are more acidic to metals. I know one is worse than the other. Dipped whole gun in hot water with something called Moose Milk in it to deactivate the acid. Scrubbed, wiped, made sure everything was dry, and lubed to the max. Used the same lube for the barrel as everything else although some are saying another type lube needs to be used in the bore. I dunno? Oh yeah. Rust can form as you are looking at it (minutes if not seconds in some temperatures). Did lots of tiny steel wool touch up and cold bluing in a hurry to stop rust in it's tracks.
I think the finish on Blakie's pistol is called "Browning". I know Browning was done to lots of old Flintlocks back in the day and worked really well. Could be wrong.
i have tried black powder from several makers..and pyrodex and a few others..in my exp if you use a natural lube it will sort of season the metal kind of like a iron skillet will season over time..when a gun is new it seems to rust in seconds..once it has built up a layers of brown oxied which is dead red rust oxide..it becomes better in the field for rust prevention..still you got to keep a eye on it..i have cleaned in the field with boiling water from a canteen cup scrubbed dry relube and it looks perfect..check it again right before bed..wake up and its orange with rust..other times i have shot and not cleaned it for hours or even a few days..and no rust..just the luck of the draw..temp humidity..what your shooting ..and using for lube..all of it brings something to the table..my advice is .use natural lube..clean as best you can when you can..and check it often..
BP is acidic, the sulfides in the reside are activated by humidity and forms an acid.
Pyrodex, on the other hand, leaves a salt residue. When acid attacks steel, the acid gets used up. When salt attacks steel, the salt remains and continues to attack the rest of the steel. So, while Pyrodex is not acidic, it is more corrosive because of the salt.
Fortunately, water or moose milk will wash away both salt and acids.
Since the small kit you have is not widely available i recommend the Kleen Bore PocKit in an appropriate caliber. About $15 small and complete.
Great video thanks for sharing atb John
How often do you do disassemble and strip it down I am afraid to do that on the 1858 it seems a little bit more complicated than the 1851 to put back together
He has a video on that. Actually less parts in the 58. The Colts have lots more take down between the barrel, block, frame, grip, and the internals.
Hello. If the barrel and chambers need to be lubricated with a special grease for black powder, then what is the best way to lubricate weapon parts such as the cylinder axis and other parts? Can they be lubricated with modern petroleum-based gun oils? Thank you.
Blackie, what did you do to your revolver besides taking the bluing off? Did you take it off with a buffing wheel? I ordered a Pietta sheriffs model from Cabelas today. I sure do appreciate you taking time to make these videos. I really enjoy them.
I stick my Remington in the creek and give it a good shakin underwater, shake it off & let it dry, a squirt of LPS 2 in the action. That’s it. I use Black MZ powder , no lube, and it’s stainless. Comes out spotless in seconds in cold water.
I like to use rubbing alcohol for quick cleans at the gun range. It cleans real nice and dries very quickly
do you disasemble the triger groupe ang get the grips off each time you clean your gun?
Nice video sir you remind me of billy Bob thorton
a few people have told me that
Great Video.
great video
Hi Blackie, how many maximum grains black powder you can load in the cylinder?
great tape! thanks sir
Yup! Just plain HOT water is the thing to use...and nothing else. What is most important is to flush ALL the corrosive salts remaining in/on the gun after firing. Then get it thoroughly DRY, before oiling it anywhere. Then you will get NO RUST. I been at this since 1957, aint rusted a gun yet.
its my favorite way to clean them
Blackie, What are your thoughts on Ballistol?
Other than motor oil what lube du you recommend for a UBERTI. 31cal pocket pistol thanks
Thompson Center Bore Butter is great, and in a pinch, you can use it on your biscuits in the morning if'n you run out of the real stuff!
Ok, just joking, do not substitute Thompson Bore Butter on your biscuits it'll give you a gut ache and the trots for a week and it really don't taste all that great!
I got a problem with flash rust, my copper wire takes it off, but I don’t like it, any suggestions? I used hot water.
i have seasoned several of my guns by doing a good cleaning then warming them up and soaking them in good oil i try not to put modern oil in the bore for the reasons i have said many times but the outside will seem to be less prone to flash rusting..i dont like wd 40 because it drys out and what it leaves behind does not seem to do well with percussion revolver to be honest if not true gun oil look for 3 in one machine oil it works well
Great info. I am thinking of joining the black powder team, any videos for the beginner?
Duelist 1954 has a video on a great beginner revolver for black powder .
I have recently fired my bp Remington for the first time , and I love it. I am thinking of buying another Pietta revolver for a Christmas gift to myself.
Hot soapy water is best but there are other products that are just as good. Black Powder Solve is another good product which eats up the black powder.
Hi Blackie. Have you ever used modern rust preventative, such as Ballistol, with your revolvers? I have' but used alcohol to remove it before shooting. I have had a little rust with Bore Butter. Just wondering your take. Thanks Mike
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Good video buddy 👍🏻 ~John
dat, is a beautiful revolver, and they can be converted, one of the greatests designs from remington, this poor fella is stuck in between the ancient past and the modern times.
thinking bout, getting mine conceal carry, and after i get me ccw, or chl ill converted it to cartridge
+torpedo jones if you keep it black powder you do not need a concealed carry license in most States it is not considered a firearm I know in Texas they are exempt from open carry laws
Even though exempt, you can still be hassled and maybe even arrested. They would rather haul you in and let you fight it than to admit that they are wrong.
Can i use ballistol instead of bore butter?
He wants his one hunned natzi scalps. And you will give him his one hunned natzi scalps.
I take it I can’t use Hoppe’s solvent and CLP, like I did in the USMC?
I put my Colt Walker in a bucket of kerosene and let it sit overnight. I spray it out w compressed air and its good.
sounds like a plan
Hey Blackie , Ive been reading a lot about cleaning and protecting BP guns, you mentioned brake fluid and using petroleum based products fir lube and protections...etc what about protecting a BP gun with FROG LUBE, its supposed to be water based...I cant seem to find any vids on youtube about this....and they say nothing on their website
Love your chanel always been interested in black powder though it would be a pain
But video convinced me otherwise Thank you
yep that's all my father in-law used hot water thanks for showing he wasn't very open bout teaching what he knew that's all he shot was b,p I'll be thinking hard about this and trying it so with pistols you don't need like fffg just regular powder ?
+kabaruser with revolver use FFF powder or P pyrodex
OK well I guess it would tell you in the Manuel
+kabaruser thanks blackie
Very good info Thank you
Very welcome
Hello. I’ve only watched maybe a dozen of your videos since I’ve found the channel. Not sure if you mentioned this in other videos though.
In the 1860’s era - how long did people leave their cap & ball revolvers loaded before firing / cleaning?
I just got a Remington copy this month, my first BP gun, and find that it’s tedious to clean - but your tutorials are good and helpful!
However, I wonder if Loaded, how long could a person reasonably keep it loaded without firing / cleaning it?
I had a great uncle who had a rusty old Colt cap & ball on the fireplace mantle in his farmhouse bedroom for decades. As long as I can remember. As he got to the end of his life he got Alzheimer’s pretty bad. One day he didn’t show up for his routine breakfast so a cousin went to check on him. He feared an intruder and shot at her...
After all those 18+ years it was loaded and still fired!
I was curious how long can a person reasonably keep a cap & ball loaded before firing it to empty and then cleaning it?
Forgot to add - he missed. She was shaken but unhurt.
i have seen guns loaded for yrs fire like it was fresh loaded..it depends on may factors weather /humidity ect..a good rule of thumb to me has been 3 to six months..change caps is ya think it may be suspect
Hello, I own a 1858 Pietta Black Powder Revolver and I use black powder substitute. Would the cleaning techniques that you have shown in this video work for that too? I am kind of learning as I go on how to clean my revolver. Any help you can give would be awesome!
i shoot substitute powder most of the time..the cleaning is the same for all my revolvers warm water will remove the crud and leave the bore clean..wipe all metal with a damp rag then dry and follow up with a lube..after i have cleaned in this way and i am home and put the gun away i check on it once a day for a few days to be sure i didn't miss anything..if its good after say 2 days its usually safe to store for months with no problems..if i do find some small area thats wants to rust i will wipe down remove and surface rust and re lube and continue checking till i am sure its all good...hope this helps ya..safe journeys
All powder has a fuel. Oxidizer. And accelerate. Sulfer . salt peter and charcoal is black powder.
There are salts im the powder and un burned powder. You just wanna get that crud off so the salts dont pit and eat the metal. Clean it. Wipe a thin layar of oil to prevent oxidation and ur good.
Do you have a video on how you antiqued your gun? Or do you have any advice for me. I like the look.
Distilled White Vinegar....
Do you like or use ballistol?
I am having trouble with the cylinder of my 1858 remmington army. The cylinder is really really hard to get in and out. What am I doing wrong it is brand new. Is it cuz I need to clean it or do i need to take it to a smith cuz something isn't right. I thought the cylinder is supost to come out and back in easily?
Blackie has a video on this exact procedure. Front of cylinder goes in first and roll it as you push in the rear.
I got to ask, have you heard of frog lube? What would you think about this in black powder Guns? I know it’s a Cleaner Lubricant but it also turns hard like a wax until it gets heated up... Anyway let me know your thoughts, great video by the way keep them coming Blackie.
i have to be honest here i have not had any exp. with frog lube..my advice is try it.watch very closely for hard tar or fouling problems..if it does well use it..i have tried many many things over the yrs some were great others not so much..and please let me know how it works for you..thanks for the comment safe journeys
I just got a new 1858 Uberti, the cylinder is a pain to get back in
with barrel pointed away..bring cyl in from the right..and rotate as you go in the opening..this will roll the hand up and out of the way
@@BLACKIETHOMAS should it be so hard. I hust about takes both hands to hold it and rotate it, or is it just being new?
new... i think..usually it will limber up after a few shots..or shooting sessions i should say
@@BLACKIETHOMAS Thanks, you do the BEST video's I might add
Blackie. What do you do for a detailed cleaning? Do you have a video?
to detail i will full strip and clan with hot water and dish soap first..then follow with clear water to rinse..then toothbrush in tight spots or twisted up pipe cleaners to really get in the nooks and cranies..then light oil everything..then grease bore cyl pin with bore butter..and reassemble
Great video Blackie. Regarding Gun Butter, there's none to be had down here, could it be possible to use a mixture of beeswax and olive oil? I have a book on firearms written in the early XIX century and they used boiling water to clean their guns and olive oil as a lubricant.
+RobertoDonatti yes you can..lard/tallow/oil/with wax all can be used basically if its safe to eat then its ok to use just add a thickener to make sure it stays put
thank you Blackie
Thanks Blackie for a great instructional vid. Gunsmoker55
Do you have any videos on cleaning the lube on a new factory Remington? Can’t find any videos on it.
i clean the factory grease with a pan of warm water and a dash of dawn dish washing liquid it does a good job
BLACKIE THOMAS, thanks! You’re videos have been very helpful. I’m brand new to the black powder world! Excited to get out there and start getting acquainted!
What kind of material is being used for the scrap patches?
Sumebuddys got em a keers lite can, sumebuddy like kerndogs and keers lites on a saturde nite!
How many grains of powder for a 44 caliber revolver
Depends. I use 20 grains of 3Fg in my Colt 1860 Army, but since my Colt Walker has much larger chambers despite both being .44 cal, I go all the way up to 50 grains.
I have used lard and bees wax.
QUESTION: Should we clean the chambers while the cylinder stills on the frame before next load? Thanks.
Everyone I have ever shot with or observed does not. Among other thing, this practice would run the risk of getting a tiny amount of fouling in the nipples, running the risk of a misfire wit the next shot, unless you carefully pick each nipple afterwards.
But I am sure that somewhere, somebody does that. It is your call.
@@junkbug1 Thanks !
Bullet sits in the front if the chamber. It won't be running against very much of the fouling in there.
Good vid
Paper towels are also your friend to wipe, dry, absorb the water.
Do you season your barrels with bore butter ?
In camp I remove all the nipples and dump the cylinder and the nipples in my tin cup over the fire. Once they are hot, I'll run the brush thru the chambers and a doubled up pipe cleaner thru the threads. The nipples get a tooth brushing and a good look at the nipple flash holes. By the time I'm done, the heated metal has dried and is ready for oil. The frame and bore get the hot water patch treatment and toothbrushing like I would any other pistol. You can even totally immerse the frame in hot water to get into the works, Just get it hot enough to dry quickly to prevent rust and so all water will evaporate. For this I use the bigger camp pot. When I'm done, I lube it and spray a little Brake Cleaner into the innards, let it runs out and dry again (while still warm). Then some spray rust preventive into the bits. After 40 years, I have no rusted BP guns.
Bore butter? Seasoning? I'm a little skeptical about the need for that, but the Bore Butter is a good product.
Yeah, the patina looks good. I have two BP rifles, a Tennessee Mountain Rifle and a Lyman GPR, both from '79 and '80 respectively. They look real nice on the wall with a nice false patina. I don't have the $$$ for a "real" wall hanger.
Got it 👍🏽