Eduardo Garcia irl they literally have plans of how to collect taxes after nuclear war. Like Ben Franklin said, only 2 things are certain, death, and taxes. If they brought the IRS in as the next big villain, I would start watching the show again.
I think that the US military is to big to be completely gone and that some units especially in the navy would have been able to clear smaller islands in the pacific and set up bases
The US military is only about 2,000,000 strong with all reserve components exhausted. The rest of the population was about 300,000,000 according to the 2010 census
Deep Dark Fantasies because often they leave there places because of family! When someone is dying in the base he will also be a walker in the base! People could fight against each other in bases because of resources! There are a lot of reason the military could be overrun. Food is the number 1 problem I guess
the only scenarios i can really believe the entire military being overrun is if the zombies are the running and jumping types. slow walking ones just dont seem like a big threat unless in GIANT hordes in the hundreds of thousands or millions, and even then conventional bombs and artillery would wipe out chunks of the horde and then foot soldiers would go in and clean up the rest. its hard to believe that the most trained people in the world wouldnt figure out that shooting the head is the way to go :/
I'm willing to bet Hawaii has not fallen, with Pearl Harbor and an airbase, along with being a major hub for US Pacific command Hawaii would easily be locked down
Even if Hawaii had somehow been unaffected. Food on the island would have become scarce very quickly because gas/food/other resources would have stopped being transported to the island. Transportation of goods is why the price of food/gas is higher there than compared to other places in the US.
@justin leckey The UK is very densely populated with a small military and no public gun ownership. It's unlikely that the UK would fare well. Perhaps places like the Isle of Mann, Shetland Islands and the Isle of Wight would be OK.
I love zombie movies/shows, but let’s get real. 10 marines can easily kill 10,000 of these walkers. They’ll be dropping them from over half a mile. They’ll also be smart enough to be in a bunker that’s on a hill top. The biggest problem is the food and water they need on a day to day basis.
If anything, they'd just need a couple armored vehicles and mos cities would be sorted. Infantry would probably just be used for a second sweep and to search for survivors
I think the us government Is still around but there are probably in bunkers or aircraft Carriers but I think they wouldn’t be in contact and are just in shambles but I think that they are still operating in some way.
Fuze Main higher chance of a foreign government in say Ireland or New Zealand. Somwhere smallish and isolated as an island. I feel there are counties outside the US where everything went to shit but they had more time to evac high profile individuals.
if any significant number of officials in the military and/or government were still alive, I think they'd be operating out of Alaska, Hawaii, or the NORAD bunker in Colorado.
Mount weather, Site R, the Rockies any number of undisclosed locations perhaps even a oil rig the government still likely exists but in a very fractured state as a lot of the cabinet would have been infected or exposed As for the us military same goes for them they are simply to large to suddenly not exist
That was infuriating seeing the governor ambush the soldiers. Those soldiers seemed like they were just trying to survive. They might have made good additions to Ricks group.
@@aperson5466 Rick yes governor no. If those were military and good men seeing what the governor was doing behind the scenes they would of likely become a liability.
I bet the people in Yukon and Nunavut are still alive with a majority of the Canadian military and some American military personnel because of how remote it is and how dangerous the terrain and weather is
Can we all just accept that this is all the fault of those guards that have storm trooper aim? They had one job, ONE job and they couldn't even deal with a small horde when they had a MG that could mow them down to mince meat. Have you seen those rounds can do to a man? Even if the brain was intact, a head with no way of locomotion is better than a walker.
I think that Hawaii is now independent state. It would be easy to defend and also military could easly liberate it. There might be even scientists working on cure or something. Edit: Or there might be a community in Washington or atleast safe zone in the White house. It is well defended and has underground bunkers and a lot of supplies i think.
Mapper Polska there needs to be some form of progress with what's going on in the world, hopefully there is a military or government working on a cure I'm tired of the fued between groups that lead no where.
Mapper Polska Everyone is infected with whatever makes you a zombie when you die. Hawaii & any other place with a population would've dealt with the same issues.
Mapper Polska there's also a Marine corps base there who could protect the base and eventually the island , I'm sure there's rogue Navy ships with Marines on them as well. Or federal prisons I'm sure are still populated super max shit like that. Although it has been years now .
Hawaii , it's a naval station kaneohe or something like that I can't remember it's on honolulu , Paris island is mcrdpa east coast boot camp , and there's a couple USMC bases just on the east coast , camp lejeune , there's Geiger , and a couple other east coast camps ,Florida to New York , there all over the place , then there's the reserve units in every state , not to mention the army bases , Navy , air Force , coast guard , national guard and all of there reserve units , I have always wondered if there in Georgia in the beginning , fort Benning is we're the 101st airborne , and the 75 ranger rgmt along with jump school were all airborne go to achieve there wings it's a massive base stocked with some of the army's most well trained infantry units I would think there would be more surviving soldiers , I no they were most likely deployed to the front lines and would not abandon there post 5th gen.ord. , but still after all else failed I'd assume units or battalion down to fire team size would have separated when command was overrun my biggest question is where did the Navy go , I mean aircraft carriers are massive floating cities packed with Navy personnel and Marine expeditionary units , they might still be on board. That's a lot of people on 1 carrier , there's entire fleets of the Navy on each coast there's no reason for them to be on land when there the ones bombing cities . So where the shit did they go ? . Then again maybe I'm wrong and they were all sent to fight , but that makes no sense. Idk , it is just a TV show with way to many possibilities and what if questions that will most likely never be answered.
@@keitht24 its the sake of not having to deal with with the hord. If a big island is cleared out then u only have the people u have. Sleep alone, keep a close eye on everyone. PEI in Canada is a small farming island, potato farms already there. Aircraft carrier docks there. They clean out island.. only issue is winter. Ur good for 25 years though.
It would actually be interesting if they did one for say Japan or the UK where they are allied nations and they actually managed to contain the outbreak and found a cure for the ones who were still alive. Like the first season or so it could be the UK government sacrifices the people in London etc in order to have troops stationed across the country to patrol the roads and set a blockade of London. Then after finding a cure they could dedicate a portion to the clearing of London and Europe and if they want they could add mutations to the zombies to make it really interesting like they walkers have a leader that controls them etc and directs where they go next etc.
They knew how to kill them in the beginning. Watch Fear season 1. The military is around I guarantee. It would be like the WWZ story where they would fall back to secure locations. Up in hills or other natural defensive barriers. Maybe massive complexes. They would learn quickly how to isolate troops from one another as to avoid massive outbreaks that happen through out the series. It could be as simple as tying one self to a tree/bunk or locking the sleeping quarters. Course there would be an easy way of releasing themselves quickly. They would also post fire watch at night. Take the prison scene in TWD. Where the one kid who died in the shower and went into different cells to infect people. The military would simply rig the cells with D Rings where they could let themselves out easily from the cells. But a Walker would not be intelligent enough to get into the cell. If the military personnel died in their cells they couldn't get out because they would be secured. As for separated units. Naturally there would be Reserve and National Guard units that would have been sacrafised or stranded. The military always has back up plans for everything. Most military personnel are spread out around the country far from home unlike Guard and Reserve Units. I know they would be concerned about friends and family. But they also have another family. The guys and gals to left and right of them. By the time the infection swept up civilization it would be too late to drive 2,000 miles back home. The government has countless fortified and hidden bunkers around the country. They would figure out how to survive along with the military. Adapt and overcome. One thing that has bothered me. They would have known walkers were attracted by sound. I truly believe they would put up loud speaker polls in the fields to attract thousands of walkers in one place. Come in and drop napalm, cluster bombs or artillery. Not counting using armored vehicles to run over the hoards. Ships could attract the dead to the shores with horns blaring. When there would be enough on the shore line The Navy would bombard it. The Navy would be opperating easily out of reach. The show's don't give the military enough credit.
The military are weak apparently in any hollywood cinematic universe. We're so weak, a group of survivors who got lucky can ambush and destroy a group of formally trained Marines.
The sheriff in Columbus Nebraska linked up with a local gun club (aka militia) and national guard unit. They imposed martial law on the community and set up a defensive perimeter around the small city as the epidemic began taking down both coasts. The sheriff's level head and use of civil defense protocols are credited with saving the city and the vast bulk of its inhabitants. Today, the 25,000 people making up Columbus are one of the largest population centers still existing in the plains states. The flat terrain gives them a decisive advantage in locating and terminating walker herds before they can get anywhere near Columbus. " I don't know. I hear Nebraska's nice." - Rick Grimes
I didn't see that this was a TWD channel when I saw the thumbnail and just thought this was someone asking if our actual government just disappeared lol
Think of all of the troop landing ships, destroyers, hospital ships, supply ships, the 11 aircraft carriers which can run without fuel for DECADES. The Military would post likely move to colder environments where zombies can’t survive or move as fast like Alaska since it’s so cold. The airforce could draw out hordes and bombard zombies to thy kingdom come with B-52’s, A-10’s, F-35’s, F-18’s, F-16’s, B1’s B2’ Stealth Bombers, and etc. You can’t forget about the bases in Hawaii as well. It makes sense for bases closer to major cities to be overrun, but bases like Fort hood, Paris island, Guam, etc? How can zombies disable Main battle tanks and up-armored Humvees? They couldn’t even reach the gunners hatch to an MRAP. Apaches could release hell upon the zombies with their 30 mike mikes, hydra pods, and hell fires. We aren’t gonna talk about the air force bases which drone operators could control their drones from while in a safe terminal box? There’s so much equipment in the U.S. military arsenal we don’t see. All we see is a bunch of retards running around scared with guns. I don’t think the military would set up the little small outposts seen throughout the show, but much larger camps which would be closed into sections with an effective number of soldiers patrolling far and close to the perimeter. We’d have to see a much larger presence of the military regardless sooner or later, because if they did survive, they’d need to resupply.
Any surviving military elements would have to come out and push into the countryside.vReclaim farm land, mine, establish factories. High Tech needs maintenance. Empty bellies need food. Whole states would have to be cleared and patrolled relentlessly n order to support a military redoubt.
OK what about food I mean soldiers ain't gonna eat nuclear stuff be alive right... How much supplies would there be on an island... They have to get to the mainland.... Atleast port at some dockyard... 1 full carrier fleat houses atleast 60,000 people... A lot of supplies would be needed to feed them
I think they are because in that paper they realeased about operation cobalt It said they are not to travel by car but by air and this makes me think that the helicopters that we see throughout the show are remnants of the military looking to see where it is safe. Like if u agree
Or that helicopter fleeing could be the one we see crash and the governor finds and takes in the surviving pilot, only to trick him into telling the location of the other soldiers then kill the pilot and all those other soldiers who were fleeing, and in the comic the helicopter just crashes when Rick sees it on fire, he then tells the atlanta camp where the helicopter crashed and they go to it and scavenge the gear, the riot type armour to be exact. So there is no military
@@thewalkingdeadlife7006 that is a very interesting point you got there. Holy shit they detected that he's the cure for the virus. No wonder he's always encountering these helicopters through out the show lol
@@danielsevillajr366 it could work maybe they were keeping him alive at the hospital because he didn't turn in to a walker Rick waked up from the coma left they came back to check on him they discovered he was gone so they send out helicopters to keep an eye on him.
TheWalkingDeadlife now ricks going to die was he the cure ? I think the helicopters are the commonwealth . Jadis (Anne)knows more than she’s letting on.
Whilst we may never see any remnants of the government, I respectfully disagree that all governments have fallen. Warning: lengthy discussion/theorisation follows. Even looking back at Dr Edward Jenner at the CDC, he said the French were the last, but I believe that everyone lost connection with each other, so he cannot claim for certain that France fell. Most major governments had massively reinforced bunkers dating back to the Cold War that would provide security and supplies in the event of nuclear armageddon that would have supplies to last for months or even years. The USA has numerous ranging from Mount Weather in Virginia to Cheyenne Mountain here in Colorado (hell, according to conspiracy theorists, Denver International Airport is an end of world bunker for the world elite lol). The US has extremely detailed and elaborate plans such as the Continuity of Operations, the U.K. has had similar relocation plans dating back to WWII with their Continuity of Government, and God knows how many bunkers Russia has left over from the Soviet-era. Not to mention that a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier is essentially a floating city with a near infinite supply of energy, desalination pumps/generators/plants to turn sea water into drinkable water... Even a diesel engine-powered carrier could last a while if planned well. In addition, when Nick is in hospital in season one of FTWD, it is clear that many first responders (and therefore most likely the higher elements of government) are aware of what happens when someone dies due to the remark by a doctor when Nick’s roommate suddenly codes-‘if we can’t revive him within a couple of minutes, we need to take him downstairs’. In this sort of environment, the bunkers for the highest elements of governments would have armed guards keeping eyes on literally everyone 24/7 and searching for any and all signs of possible infection and turning during the night. Lastly, I dunno if we can say the entirety of Operation Cobalt failed completely. Whilst the initial containment absolutely failed, we only see the withdrawal fail with our cast of characters, and that was due entirely by the meddling of said characters and the ‘liberation’ of the walkers and escorting them to the ‘base’ (if a cheap, non-reinforced chainlink fence can be called a ‘base’). Had the stadium been left alone, the military probably would have withdrawn in good order. We don’t know if similar bases and safe zones across the country (and world) were able to withdraw to a final national redoubt where they planned to just sit back, re-arm, re-organise, and wait until they could push out again and attempt to re-build. Would it be the government as we knew it before the apocalypse? Probably not. But they very well could be biding their time. Just my thoughts... /novel Cheers
Good points. Of course many commenters are thinking as if "what would really happen" instead of what the actual show's story tells us. The military wouldn't fall so easy and yes, some Military and Gov would be in a mountain somewhere......but the show's story has it going a different way. - Thanks for watching!
TWDExplained, nice point. But even though the creators of the show never showed that the government was possibly relocated in a mountain DOESN’T MEAN THAT IT NEVER MIGHT’VE HAPPENED. I mean, they mostly the survivors but not the government. Who knows they’re going with the WWZ novel, but in survivors’ eyes when the government left them stranded in the infected mainland while the US Government and other survivors are chilling in Hawaii and/or Alaska before counter-attacking in a decade or so(like in the WWZ novel).
doubt it its been atleast 11 years since the apocalypse started those hiding in government bunkers and at sea would have run of of food, water and fuel by now and would have been forced to come out of their metal homes probably for the first time
the problem in walking dead is that anyone becomes a zombie... so even if all the old zombies die, new ones will always come around... the only plausible solution is to monitor each person at all times and once they get dead to go for the head....
I think that they may be parts of the army that survived and most of them are probably in the commonwealth. We have to assume that if Rick and his group can survive so did parts of the military but I don't think there is a organized government I believe it collapsed.
+Creatures The problem is that a post-apocalyptic world, especially early on, with a lot of people still alive, is a desperate fight for resources. That makes what is usually the strength of the army, their size and organization, their weakness. Bigger concentrations of forces become impossible to maintain, because they just suck the area dry of supplies - especially when you count in all the hungry refugees that flock to them - and begin to starve almost immediately. Then the only solution is to split them up into smaller units, so they can feed themselves. And when you do that, it becomes almost impossible to coordinate large scale operations, as you no longer have the manpower on hand. It is highly likely that some of the more strategic and more defensible locations are still held by the army, but by this point, they must be running low on pretty much everything anyway.
@@jirkazalabak1514 Very true. Unless they have people like Eugine that may be able to make bullets but even then the problem of food would become a major issue especially if they are still protecting a group of survivors. Of course you would also have the problem of a military hierarchy in those areas still under military control which would eventually lead to a break down of military structure unless they rule by fear like Negan or have the respect of the people like Rick.
some form of government survived as many bunkers an doomsday plans that are in place yeah some of it survived now granted they have to rebuild the only problem would be if they get in bunker a some one died. an let's not forget there's a lot of spec ops soldiers out there. soldiers that are trained to work an survive long periods of time right by themselves so yeah some of them survived but with no word from the actual government they working alone
Honestly the zombies aren't what scares me in walking dead its the fact that there is no hope there is no coming back there is no more nations all the people who died to defend thier homes lives mean nothing anymore our history our homes everything was taken now imagine that happening in real life you've served in a war and seen almost all of your friends die and now everything that you fought for is gone now that is why I find walking dead to be so horrifying
the CRM and Commonwealth both have civilian and military branches with both of them speaking about High Ranking Officers both having access to Helicopters, Military Equipment/assets and Portland has been mentioned as an HQ and it's been Seen that the CRM has an Advanced Lab Working phonelines and Doctors and VIP details.
Still confused as to how the military got overthrown when Rick with a machete and Daryl with a rocket launcher could take out a giant horde on their own
@@13thBear is there a likelihood that they are well off and just avoiding detection to avoid hostile humans and additions of new civilians they need to take care off?
Tommy Forbes nope last we heard was in the first season but I think the guy just mentioned europe in general, might have name dropped some countries dont really remember.
@@christostheocharides4689 Antarctica has land under it, in case you didn't know. People could also survive there by ice fishing, building igloos to keep in heat, etc.
Hypothetical scenario Random depress person who lost his family hang himself, became a Walker inside the safe space? The whole you just need to die to be Walker really adds to the scenario.
@@blackpowderkun Very true. At least a hanging Walker is easier to kill. And the cold slows down the Walkers. So still a danger but less of one if the hanging Walker is in Alexandria.
Since the walkers also seem to feed on animals too, attacking rick's horse and eating the deer daryll hunted, countless animal species may have been wiped out as well.
What most people don't get, the biggest enemy to an organized society is panic. This is what happened and if the government remnants were around and knew more than the average survivor they would probably dig-in in natural areas such as islands or mountainous regions using rivers as demarcation lines etc or in Cheyenne just hide inside. And as the video states correctly, chain of command can breakdown to mere warlordism. Not just petty warlordism like Rick, Governor or Megan but maybe early twentieth century China level over who is the legitimate government. I believe the government is around but gave up on saving the world and probably just dugbin and wait this thing out until they sort out some vaccine for the reanimation process but also to keep their equipment functional since they no longer have the industrial-military complex to back them up anymore. It would be interesting the Commonwealth being a form of a post-apocalyptic proto-state not just a confederation of settlements like Alexandria and her neighbours
+Roya Well, the confederations of cities are how the first states got established, historically speaking. Negan had a good opportunity to build a functional empire. If he treated the subjugated groups with more respect, he could have been the founder of a new state.
RoyaCanadianInfantry tell me how do you explain in other games, books, tv shows, movies the military still exists and heck in some of them won like you would expect the military around the world to continue fighting instead of being wipeout like in the last of us the military still exist and hold large safe zones and while yea there not powerful as they once were they still exist and govern safe zones and I can believe that the military is in that state do to how powerful the infected are the infected in the walking dead are probably the weakest infected do to the fact they only walk and are dumb and the only way i can see the military fail is if there idiots even if the panic from people were to caused stuff and pretty big stuff the military won’t simply back down the military will continue fighting and do to how weak the infected are they will win they won’t all of a sudden fall apart like I still don’t understand how the military just all of a sudden fall apart even if there were chaos and panic in a organized society the military will eventually win or at least continue the fight in other media we saw chaos and panic in a organized society and yet the military exists and in some of this they won they won’t simply back down from a fright even in chaos they will fight the military in the walking dead are idiots that’s the only explanation I can give for why the military fail while in other media the military exists despite the chaos and panic from the outbreak.
Yes, the US Military would still exist, however, they would likely lock down and defend hard points such as NORAD, and other large military installations as apposed to going out and actively fighting the undead. The sheer firepower at the military’s disposal including air and Naval assets would make being totally overrun unlikely. Meanwhile, entities like CDC, WHO, DARPA, etc, would likely continue limited operation underground with heavy military protection. The priority would be defending the R&D sector in the hopes of developing a cure or at the very least, some type of immunization before going out and clearing out the walkers.
I have to say that lying sack of s......well..Eugene....had a good idea when confronted to spill the beans on the cure in that train car they were locked in at Terminus. Sasha confronted him and eventually he lied about being on a ten man team of the human genome project and fighting a weaponized disease with a weaponized disease....but that would be cool......of course we don't even know what IT is (the virus) - Thanks for watching!
There are things like the Civic Republic and the commonwealth which were part of the government but became their own things But when this video was released I don't think any of that was known at least in the show universe, they did exist in the comics then
Well, at the time of the video being released he says they are just getting into season 9, and from what I believe Civic Republic takes Rick away in season 9 Commonwealth appears at season 10 end.
The real problem with TWD is the walkers go on forever, even without food. At some point, they need to cease just because there is no such thing as perpetual motion machines.
Where did we find out about Italy? Obviously the cosmonaut would have lost contact with Russian High Command and he mentioned seeing lights go out, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that all nations fell. Where did we specifically hear about Italy?
In the comics. There was a one off comic about Rick's younger brother. He was in Spain actually - I messed that one up!! So we have Russia, Spain and France (from Jenner at CDC) - many other clues lead us to believe that it is worldwide.
In TWD? We have Rick. We had Shane. Then we have..............................uhm.......uh......who else? I don't watch Fear the Walking Dead( watched first season then could not stand any of the characters except perhaps the addict kid).
@@bluerosedwarf1746 The "frontlines" defence is paper thin, most doctors are well behind guarded lines usually, specially during these kind of things, important medical personnel would be flow out almost first in an overrun.
I hope we can see at least some military personal in season 9. There is some evidence in season 8 because of the trash people and there are military looking helicopters towards the end of season 8 and we get a split second of a helicopter in the season 9 trailer.
I feel like Tasmania or new zealand would have a decent chance at survival; they both have enough flat land for agriculture and are split off from any other land by hundreds of km of ocean, and tasmania especially would probably be the last of australia’s states to fall as it has hilly terrain, is an island, and could just easily close off to the rest of the globe if necessary
I think if there is a sort of government it is something like the series The Last Ship (by the way great show). some navy ship that was alone and away from infections. But the question is if the virus is in everyone and activates when we die, when did that virus actually start to spread and did it make it to the navy ships. sorry if that was confusing, I am bad at explaining things
Yeah if they were all the way out in the ocean how could they be infected if it spread after they left port? Of course once they came back to refuel, rearm, and get some more supplies I think they would have been infected idk. I think maintaining an aircraft carrier crew would be extremely difficult but as seen in the Last Ship they only have over 200 to take care of cause it is just a destroyer
I mean that’s like asking where the government around in the Fallout universe. The answer is yes and no, the pre war government is around or at least remnants of it like the brotherhood of steel which descended from members of the prewar military but also the Enclave. However, One of the factions aren’t eager to to restore order and instead hoards technology that the people need to protect them from the people. The enclave wanted to restore order by killing all those deemed unworthy I.E. tribals, slavers, etc., the only form of government are things like the NCR, and the minuteman both factions who want to help the wasteland. Minutemen more than NCR if you played New Vegas you know what I mean.
I figured that when communications with command went down and the logistics and resupply failed, most of the military units also splintered. They probably became roving bandits using what equipment and training they had to pillage until they either used up whatever reserves they had or the infighting got to the point where they took off. It takes a very strong leader to hold a group together when they start running out of everything. Most of the ammunition would eventually get used up. The fuel would be gone, their uniforms would start to fall apart, then they would start being indistinguishable from all the others... except for their military training. My feeling is that those units that figured out that if a person died, no matter if they were bitten or not would turn, and took steps to ensure that people had to be kept isolated and protected so anyone who died and turned couldn't infect the group like Patrick did in the prison in season 4, probably survived longer. They likely had mandatory check-ins every couple of hours or so to keep that from happening.
The surviving military would likely be in areas where there is no civilization for hundreds of miles, like deserts. But there are virtually no supplies in the area, so that almost completely wipes away that possibility. The government and their families would likely go into hiding in bunkers or something, and stay in touch with other surviving world governments, and would also likely have their private security and a little bit of the military with them
For those who are reading this, this vid was 4 years later but now present day where the series expanded there’s this gigantic organization called the civic republic and the civic republic military, they have everything even a government too, the answer to this video, if you know very little abt them then search it up
because none of the showrunners want to go into that anymore because the show's beyond the point of fighting walkers. It's now fighting other survivors. The shows not "the walking dead" anymore. it's now "the soap opera and the dead"
I agree when you say if you look at the show too closely, it starts to break down. Not sure how the military ever disappeared. The series has never provided a rationale explanation for why the Army would just disappear. An Infantry Company would be virtually invulnerable against a horde of mindless zombies. Now imagine entire Army Divisions and what they would be able to do. The real problem with Walking Dead and Fear the Walking Dead is they never showed how so many people turned into Zombies overnight. Remember - At both the start of both series, life went from totally normal to complete chaos in a few hours. In the Walking Dead, you see signs of an abandoned child's birthday party near Rick's house. This means people thought it was safe enough that morning to throw an outdoor party for their kid, but by the afternoon society had collapsed. Then there Fear the Walking Dead, where the schools send the kids home early on one day only to have the collapse of society by the next morning. Now slow moving zombies and a Z virus that takes hours or days to turn you into a Zombie when bitten will not cause such overnight collapse. If that were the case, then the whole World would be infected by rabies in a matter of hours. They could have avoided this plot hole by simply having a sizeable portion of the population turn into Zombies by breathing in the Z virus, while the rest only transform if bitten or dying. If a third of the population became Zombies overnight and started attacking others, then yes...you could have an overnight collapse.
all true - and in FTWD the birthday party across the street that was still going on when the neighbor zombie came over and attacked (or something like that) - if they would stick to it happened all of a sudden is one thing but in FTWD Tobias said there had been sightings for weeks and suddenly it DID seem like it started happening all at once (as far as society breaking on one day).....so yeah, don't think too far into it haha - thanks for the comment!
I think the important thing to note though, and what made it so dangerous, is that each person is already infected. You don’t need to “catch” the sickness. If anyone in your camp catches the regular flu and dies- zombie. If someone slips and falls and dies in the shower- zombie. You don’t need an invading force when the enemy is already within.
The tipping point of societal collapse comes when duty is overcome by self preservation. Once the medical and transportation infrastructure shreds, the security forces won't last much longer. Society today supports far too many "freeloaders", those who contribute little if anything but consume and have no knowledge of anything beyond that. You'd likely see Army/Marines units and maybe some police stick together to defend areas w/their families, that might create islands of stability but they'd have to weather the early waves of refugees pretty ruthlessly. I think the refugee masses would be more of a danger than the zeds until starvation, mass killings by thugs/criminals etc thin the numbers down enough that you'd see some social reconstruction. That would likely be at least a year or so though. Much will depend if enough specialists (medical, technical, mechanical) survive that period of the collapse to be supported by the rest. We'd be at a 19th century level pretty quick if the die off is fast enough. If it takes too long though we might be at a medieval level w/nothing but tiny villages being the new basis of humanity. It'd be a slow crawl back up if that happened.
pretty much so...the zeds would be just another fixture of the environment until man/nature largely eliminate them. In reality except maybe in the more densely packed urban areas of nations and nations that don't have armed civilians, I don't think zeds could have ever gotten the upper hand anyway.
Many great points made in this section, in regards to remnants of military and government, the safest places for them would either be in an underwater , base, fully loaded battle ships and auxiliary support naval battle fleets, aerial support battle vehicles, military advanced lunar/mars bases, and the such, only in ignorance can we assume that the government wouldn’t have these contingency plans in place even wayyy before the outbreak,The human race are an interesting, unpredictable, unorthodox practical yet impulsive species, built for survival against all odds , even if this type of TWD zombie apocalypse took place in real life rather than fiction I’m pretty confident we’ll have no problem taking care of the zombie hords,
I think it would be interesting to incorporate former special forces characters in this story, especially tier 1 operators. I feel these people would all be more than equipped to survive long term like the current characters
The thing is, if military had survived it wouldn't have stayed governmental... Most soldiers would have abandoned their posts, desertions would have taken place, most would have died in combat and those who would have survived would have split and would have formed seperate groups of their own.. There wouldn't have been any central command
tbh i’d like to see how alaska would fall. all the little islands. i lived on one for 8 years with 32 other people, we built homes & a food sanctuary. the island was small so we didn’t need cars but we all put them in one place in case we did. it’d be easy to build walls around it, it’s lowkey, about 56 minutes from the land. food was everywhere, we grew crops & played farmer for the kids’ education. it was dope.
I don’t understand why the governor would kill that whole military platoon. Like he could’ve asked them questions about the virus and if theres anyone out there.
Tough call. I'm kind of split on this issue. On the one hand, I desperately want to know what caused the dead to start walking around, so on some level I actually WANT there to be some kind of remnant of the old government just so that they eventually can shed some light on this overarching mystery, and it also seems to be way too unrealistic that the entire military might of the world would get wiped out so easily. But on the other hand, I also kind of feel like if there still was a backbone of the old government left, it would hollow out the whole premise of the show, because as it is, the show has become an epic event of survival and of rebuilding society out of the ruins of the old. If tanks rolled up suddenly and openly declared "hey there, we're back now, we'll take care of this", the show would become so much less than what it is.
The walkers WOULD FAIL unless you apply a good dose of Disbelief. Walkers would be eaten up by insects and be turned into piles of unmoving bones in short order. En-mass zombies could be shredded by large trucks (city snowplows, caterpillar tracked construction. Survivors would QUICKLY spread the word about headshots on walkers.
And with hindsight, I say most of the military has transformed either into the CRM or the commonwealth with the few that haven't been able to join the two either factions is due to, some creating their own faction or cult entirely and joining different groups. With some being lone wolves due to being unable to establish contact with other factions, or just preferring to have a small team or just prefer alone overall.
Quite a old video but I've gathered some information recently and this gave me some ideas: It's plausible that the remmnants of the us government are using places like Raven rock mountain complex,mount wheater,Cheney mountain complex or even the bunker under the white house Comand probably ordered the coast guard to evacuate civilians to secure places like Alaska and Hawaii where a smaller population and territory makes easier to manage and secure the civilian population,marines,navy and airforce would make their way with ships or aircraft towards the safe areas,some army and national guard personnel could be evacuated Special forces units would probably get priority transportation due to the fact that they are made to be mobile and work stealthy, remember the armed forces have the gear but if they are in places with poor mineral quantities they can't just send an A-10 or some Reapers to solve the problem so if they wanted to clear some place small,mobile stealthy units would be the rule until the get a strong foothold To combat hordes use of NAPALM and white fosfer would together with anti cavalry tatics and heavy use of antimateriel weapons to either pierce as more heads as possible or destroy zombie spines ,soldiers would be outified with bayonets to kill a zombies in small groups. Riot gear and Kevlar lined clothing would become the standart issue uniform,tissue linned with Kevlar becomes resistant to cuts,this means that even if the zombies could somehow pierce the very resistant clothing of the armed forces initially the bites would cause more pain than danger,automatic weapons such as the M-4 would probably be ditched for high caliber slow firing high precision rifles such as an Henry 45-70 all wheater,the FAL,M-14,M-24 sniper system or the HK-417 Planes would be used only to drop troops covertly,vehicles like the osprey would grab the troops outside of military controled zones Survivors that don't agree with going to a military safe zone would be considered witnesses or traitors, remember a LOT of people would be pissed off with the government and some have freaking tanks Just a note:I find strange some submarine crew didn't propositaly trihered MAD(mutually assured destruction) the US and Russia have automated missile systems that will send nukes to each other if a enemy nuclear weapons goes of in Russian/NATO territory I think that's all ma boi bye
as per military protocol, when comms are severed, the OIC or NCOIC is to continue on current mission, or open sealed orders for new mission objectives, until new verifiable orders are received. Semper Fi.
Do you think the desertion rate would be high in a situation like this when soldiers heard that orders to bomb and kill civilians? - Thanks for watching!
it would depend on the unit, i.e. active duty, reservist, state guardsmen that should be taken into account for dissertion. also, most American cmdrs would try to put as big a buffer they could between the unit to only fire on civilians as a last resort.
The interest about the outside world is astonishing!! wow! The videos about the heli, about the military operation and the change of being a goverment outside there have one hundred thousand views instead of the other videos! Mine interest too about these scenarios are high!!
in S1 when Rick rides into the city and it shows the overrun military posts with those 50 call machine guns which would be unlikely. With that caliber of bullet you wouldn't even need to aim for the head cause they would rip apart the walkers immobilizing them and travel through more than one walker
There is actually a very sophisticated a contingency plan within the Federal government for a full scale crisis called COGCON. Like the military's DEFCON, COGCON or "Continuity Of Government readiness CONdition" amounts to basically a play book by which different departments within the Executive Branch would maintain order and/or at least some semblance of a functioning civilian government in the event of national crisis (say a dirty bomb going off in DC or surprise invasion by a hostile foreign power). COGCON 1 is what we are in right now (I hope), it is the everyday normal operations of the Federal government. When COGCON 4 or above is called (it goes to 5 like DEFCON) it has been determined by either the White House or the Department of Homeland Security that the normative and regular operations of the government as whole cannot be continued due to any number of circumstances. At this point even if they are not in the capital Senators, US House Reps, the Supreme Court Justices, and the President's Cabinet members along with POTUS and the VP, some support staff, and perhaps even some of their family members are basically abducted by the Department of Homeland Security and the Secret Service. What's frightening for some is that, effectively, when this part of COGCON is put into action the DHS is temporarily the government of the country. If anyone within the line of succession are determined by DHS (or the Secret Service) to have been incapacitated, are unaccounted for, or have been killed the Joint Chiefs of Staff (who have their own contingency plan through the DoD) are alerted and a plan to swear in whoever is next is quickly hashed out. Typcally these officials who are being abducted by DHS are on their way to hardened sites where they can ride out the storm or whatever is happening. If it appears that there will be long term COGCON 4 or 5 situation teams at each hardened site will try to maintain contact between the various different civilian government officials for as long as possible. The whole point of COGCON is to keep whatever parts of the Federal government we have left working as long as possible and gear up to return control to an elected government as quickly as possible.
I like to think that some form of military out there is still around, whether that be the US or beyond. In season 1 it is mentioned the French were the last to hold out, could mean that there is still some form of government there if they figured out that everyone is infected.
I kind of wish we had a zombie show that follows a group of soldiers. And for it to be realistic, we win. There is no way we could lose to slow walking zombies. We’d learn pretty quickly to shoot them in the head. The only problems I see are ammo, supplies, and radios. Also, the US army is already spread thin. We’d have to get back quickly. In the end, I think we would win.
A bite based infection would move quickly then much slower. The police, military and citizen militia would put down a zombie uprising with brutal efficiency. Oh, one department of the government would survive....the IRS.
The way things were portrayed the term Zombie never existed so all we know from Cinema about how they are created inculding how the infection spreads through getting bitten never being known. So in short, when things are unknown people tend to panic and get turned, which goes double for those within the Military and Law enforcement being the first to fall including the government.
Like I said on another comment, no one would be safe because that disease can spread anywhere and there is no way of knowing if someone has it until they get sick and die, and it is possible for it to get inside any bunker or whatever
I did make it past the season where the group was in a prison and used it as a base but didn't that doctor at the CDC say the french were close to something was that ever touched on again?
Military has withdrawn from all but essential operations...fighting hordes is done with bulldozers and earth-moving equipment...Army Corps of Engineers making Walker-horde barriers and 'dead-fall' traps. With a finite number of Soldiers and limited prospects for Recruitment, military forces would seek to not engage with Walkers. To people on the ground, it would certainly look like the Army has given up or been destroyed.
The only element of the government and the military left is the United States Navy. The first objective of the survivors of the military is focus on establishing some bases on islands. Of course, there are the remaining aircraft carriers. One of the bases for any of the surviving aircraft carriers is Hawaii. After the bases are established, one of the main priorities of the survivors is to establish contact with rest of the world. For the Commonwealth, its rulers will likely find themselves in conflict with the other unknown major powers. Some candidates for the other major powers are Bermuda, Newfoundland, Hawaii, Iceland, and ironic Japan.
Unfortunately every country had an outbreak at the time and started to crumble, lose power grids, society began to break down fast. NATO stopped existing the day the outbreak went global. Nations could not help themselves, much less anyone else. - Thanks for watching!
I think the biggest problem is that TWD and FTWD take place in two high population areas (Eastern seaboard and Socal/Mexico), and it shouldn't surprise anyone that the military and governments have collapsed in those regions. However, I feel if they ever had characters from the northern US states (Alaska, Montana, the Dakotas, etc.), I think the story would be very different. Areas like those have low population, significant gun ownership and a fair number of military bases. If there is any sort of organized government/military presence in the US, it's in those areas (Alaska especially). I could also see significant numbers of USN ships floating just over the horizon off either coast.
I don't believe the government is functioning but I do believe there are ENCLAVES of Military & Government personnel around the country (and probably around the World) and they're just trying to take care of the populace closest to them or EVEN JUST THEMSELVES. Probably run by lower ranking Officers, Non-commissioned Officers (Sergeants) and lower ranking government officials: House Representatives (Deanna) and Department Chairs (or their assistants). Some doctors DID survive, to say the ENTIRE Military (Active duty, National Guard & Reserves) from ALL FIVE SERVICES: Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines & Coast Guard are gone is to say that none of them, AS INDIVIDUALS, were SURVIVORS. I don't buy it. Abraham made it and the guys he was with would have if they hadn't gone NATIVE, RIP ABRAHAM!!! The unit the governor killed had made it, they just didn't think a LIVING AMERICAN would be a threat. The governments are indeed GONE, *but there are 800 Army bases around the world, just Army bases,* some branch or collective branches of the Military are 'holding it down' SOMEWHERE.
I feel military bases in the middle parts of the country could easily be still working since it would take a good while for any sizable horde to make it anywhere remotely close plus they easily could survive thanks to the heartland being farms for hundreds of miles so any bases or underground bunkers could easily support settlements around them as long as the people in charge are decent people
If I were in this universe my first thought would be to head north. I would want to be where it gets to at least 20 below 0. Dead or not human bodies will freeze solid if exposed long enough. If would offer much relief.
I'm more curious as to how the nukes haven't gone off in the walking deads universe considering that there is no one to do any maintenance on the equipment
I bet alaska managed to do alright on account of the low population and profusion of military bases. And the heavy snowfall and sub zero temps prolly freezes the fuck out of the zombies or at least prevents them from moving during the winter months
Yeah, also to think of the families of the military people. I could imagine the military becoming quite diverse, not everyone is going to blindly follow orders.
rockstarcrossing I know they would, my dad is a good example cause he is Army and he would protect us (and my sisters since they require cornstarch you keep living) over a dying Government
Meanwhile the IRS is in a bunker trying to figure out how to get the survivors to pay taxes
Eduardo Garcia irl they literally have plans of how to collect taxes after nuclear war. Like Ben Franklin said, only 2 things are certain, death, and taxes. If they brought the IRS in as the next big villain, I would start watching the show again.
Fire Hazard yeah I know. Something we learned in economics
LOL I get it
I wonder how many zombies voted Democrat in the new government?
Eduardo Garcia lol
They are on a oil rig in the Pacific Ocean, going by the name of 'The Enclave'
Really, ok lol
I like the fallout reference
Lol
I know someone is going to comment this.
Hopefully they come back with advanced power armor mkII
Imagine being in space and watching all the lights go out
cloud tail Yeah that would be unbelievably terrifying! That’s also a good question, what happened to the international space station?
@@darthbradmedia8929 The occupants wouldn't have been exposed. But more likely died due to either suffocation, starvation or acute radiation sickness.
@@arandomperson5434 And even dying they’ll be stuck up there as zombies, terrible way to go out.
@@baldhead7759 Actually it's been revealed that the pathogen responsible was a Space Spore
@@arandomperson5434 which perfectly explains why the entire globe was infected at once
I think that the US military is to big to be completely gone and that some units especially in the navy would have been able to clear smaller islands in the pacific and set up bases
The US military is only about 2,000,000 strong with all reserve components exhausted. The rest of the population was about 300,000,000 according to the 2010 census
Guam, Marianas, Micronesia, Palau, Marshall Islands (three US associated states) and American Samoa would be easier to clear out
There’s no way the entire military was overran.
Deep Dark Fantasies because often they leave there places because of family! When someone is dying in the base he will also be a walker in the base! People could fight against each other in bases because of resources! There are a lot of reason the military could be overrun. Food is the number 1 problem I guess
the only scenarios i can really believe the entire military being overrun is if the zombies are the running and jumping types. slow walking ones just dont seem like a big threat unless in GIANT hordes in the hundreds of thousands or millions, and even then conventional bombs and artillery would wipe out chunks of the horde and then foot soldiers would go in and clean up the rest. its hard to believe that the most trained people in the world wouldnt figure out that shooting the head is the way to go :/
I'm willing to bet Hawaii has not fallen, with Pearl Harbor and an airbase, along with being a major hub for US Pacific command Hawaii would easily be locked down
Could be. It seems as far as the show's story line is saying though....nowhere was unaffected, and seemingly nowhere is safe. - Thanks for watching!
Even if Hawaii had somehow been unaffected. Food on the island would have become scarce very quickly because gas/food/other resources would have stopped being transported to the island. Transportation of goods is why the price of food/gas is higher there than compared to other places in the US.
Like WWZ, they would need to clear the islands first
I think fear the walking dead showed that Hawaii was infected too
@justin leckey The UK is very densely populated with a small military and no public gun ownership. It's unlikely that the UK would fare well.
Perhaps places like the Isle of Mann, Shetland Islands and the Isle of Wight would be OK.
I love zombie movies/shows, but let’s get real. 10 marines can easily kill 10,000 of these walkers. They’ll be dropping them from over half a mile. They’ll also be smart enough to be in a bunker that’s on a hill top. The biggest problem is the food and water they need on a day to day basis.
exactly, the world would definitely be able to handle a zombie outbreak like the walking dead with slow walking zombies
Though probably not the wwz zombies
If anything, they'd just need a couple armored vehicles and mos cities would be sorted. Infantry would probably just be used for a second sweep and to search for survivors
@@leonzhang7821 I mean in the book they took back New York
@@leonzhang7821 book WWZ zombies are very different from movie WWZ zombies
You damn well know there is a group of marines fighting a horde for zombies just to get to that box of crayons
Omfg lol.
Ramirez, Get that box of crayons!
LOOOOOL
I think the us government Is still around but there are probably in bunkers or aircraft Carriers but I think they wouldn’t be in contact and are just in shambles but I think that they are still operating in some way.
Yes, definitely in shambles....thanks for watching!
TheWalking DeadExplained eh thanks for your input on this show love watching you with friends and my brother!
Thank you....and the reason I started the channel is for discussion with friends....like you! Thanks!
Fuze Main higher chance of a foreign government in say Ireland or New Zealand. Somwhere smallish and isolated as an island. I feel there are counties outside the US where everything went to shit but they had more time to evac high profile individuals.
they are the enclave :D
if any significant number of officials in the military and/or government were still alive, I think they'd be operating out of Alaska, Hawaii, or the NORAD bunker in Colorado.
NORAD only have enough food for 200 people for 3 weeks in real life, so it had been a few years in TWD timeline, so I think NORAD is long gone
There's always a government. they're in a bunker, or a plane.
@@namkhanhng1802 it's been over 10 years now almost if not 11 years
I feel like the people living in svalbard would have it easy
Mount weather, Site R, the Rockies any number of undisclosed locations perhaps even a oil rig the government still likely exists but in a very fractured state as a lot of the cabinet would have been infected or exposed
As for the us military same goes for them they are simply to large to suddenly not exist
That was infuriating seeing the governor ambush the soldiers. Those soldiers seemed like they were just trying to survive. They might have made good additions to Ricks group.
Hell you would think the Governor would want militarily trained gunmen in his forces
yeah they didn't give much of fight. surely they been out there long enough to know. that u can't trust some asshole out there
Also a very stupid decision those men could have been good personnel for either Rick's or the Governor's group
@@aperson5466 Rick yes governor no. If those were military and good men seeing what the governor was doing behind the scenes they would of likely become a liability.
@@DustinDonald-cz9ot ye
I bet the people in Yukon and Nunavut are still alive with a majority of the Canadian military and some American military personnel because of how remote it is and how dangerous the terrain and weather is
what about siberia? even worse weather AND abandoned gulags that could be fortified
@@lentoturmahub8214 most people here don't know how to use a gun
@@jamesnicholson3658 yeah Siberia is an extremely hard country to conquer especially as a zombie
@@lentoturmahub8214 lol
Exactly.
All those Apaches and M16s lying around somewhere... good picking
I only saw hueys in the show
@@DieKaase i was about to say
And flying an apaches is just like driving a car lol but m16's yes good picking
If Apaches were still around thei would've completily rain death on those walkers
Good luck flying those without any prior knowledge haha
Can we all just accept that this is all the fault of those guards that have storm trooper aim? They had one job, ONE job and they couldn't even deal with a small horde when they had a MG that could mow them down to mince meat. Have you seen those rounds can do to a man? Even if the brain was intact, a head with no way of locomotion is better than a walker.
This is why when you have shit aim, you shouldn't be on the Frontline
I think that Hawaii is now independent state. It would be easy to defend and also military could easly liberate it. There might be even scientists working on cure or something.
Edit: Or there might be a community in Washington or atleast safe zone in the White house. It is well defended and has underground bunkers and a lot of supplies i think.
Mapper Polska there needs to be some form of progress with what's going on in the world, hopefully there is a military or government working on a cure I'm tired of the fued between groups that lead no where.
Mapper Polska Everyone is infected with whatever makes you a zombie when you die. Hawaii & any other place with a population would've dealt with the same issues.
Mapper Polska there's also a Marine corps base there who could protect the base and eventually the island , I'm sure there's rogue Navy ships with Marines on them as well. Or federal prisons I'm sure are still populated super max shit like that. Although it has been years now .
Hawaii , it's a naval station kaneohe or something like that I can't remember it's on honolulu , Paris island is mcrdpa east coast boot camp , and there's a couple USMC bases just on the east coast , camp lejeune , there's Geiger , and a couple other east coast camps ,Florida to New York , there all over the place , then there's the reserve units in every state , not to mention the army bases , Navy , air Force , coast guard , national guard and all of there reserve units , I have always wondered if there in Georgia in the beginning , fort Benning is we're the 101st airborne , and the 75 ranger rgmt along with jump school were all airborne go to achieve there wings it's a massive base stocked with some of the army's most well trained infantry units I would think there would be more surviving soldiers , I no they were most likely deployed to the front lines and would not abandon there post 5th gen.ord. , but still after all else failed I'd assume units or battalion down to fire team size would have separated when command was overrun my biggest question is where did the Navy go , I mean aircraft carriers are massive floating cities packed with Navy personnel and Marine expeditionary units , they might still be on board. That's a lot of people on 1 carrier , there's entire fleets of the Navy on each coast there's no reason for them to be on land when there the ones bombing cities . So where the shit did they go ? .
Then again maybe I'm wrong and they were all sent to fight , but that makes no sense. Idk , it is just a TV show with way to many possibilities and what if questions that will most likely never be answered.
@@keitht24 its the sake of not having to deal with with the hord. If a big island is cleared out then u only have the people u have. Sleep alone, keep a close eye on everyone.
PEI in Canada is a small farming island, potato farms already there. Aircraft carrier docks there. They clean out island.. only issue is winter. Ur good for 25 years though.
They should really make a Walking Dead show focused on the Government and military.
It would actually be interesting if they did one for say Japan or the UK where they are allied nations and they actually managed to contain the outbreak and found a cure for the ones who were still alive. Like the first season or so it could be the UK government sacrifices the people in London etc in order to have troops stationed across the country to patrol the roads and set a blockade of London. Then after finding a cure they could dedicate a portion to the clearing of London and Europe and if they want they could add mutations to the zombies to make it really interesting like they walkers have a leader that controls them etc and directs where they go next etc.
@@ToxicDarkLordbasicallly the wwz book
They knew how to kill them in the beginning. Watch Fear season 1. The military is around I guarantee. It would be like the WWZ story where they would fall back to secure locations. Up in hills or other natural defensive barriers. Maybe massive complexes. They would learn quickly how to isolate troops from one another as to avoid massive outbreaks that happen through out the series. It could be as simple as tying one self to a tree/bunk or locking the sleeping quarters. Course there would be an easy way of releasing themselves quickly. They would also post fire watch at night. Take the prison scene in TWD. Where the one kid who died in the shower and went into different cells to infect people. The military would simply rig the cells with D Rings where they could let themselves out easily from the cells. But a Walker would not be intelligent enough to get into the cell. If the military personnel died in their cells they couldn't get out because they would be secured.
As for separated units. Naturally there would be Reserve and National Guard units that would have been sacrafised or stranded. The military always has back up plans for everything. Most military personnel are spread out around the country far from home unlike Guard and Reserve Units. I know they would be concerned about friends and family. But they also have another family. The guys and gals to left and right of them. By the time the infection swept up civilization it would be too late to drive 2,000 miles back home.
The government has countless fortified and hidden bunkers around the country. They would figure out how to survive along with the military. Adapt and overcome.
One thing that has bothered me. They would have known walkers were attracted by sound. I truly believe they would put up loud speaker polls in the fields to attract thousands of walkers in one place. Come in and drop napalm, cluster bombs or artillery. Not counting using armored vehicles to run over the hoards. Ships could attract the dead to the shores with horns blaring. When there would be enough on the shore line The Navy would bombard it. The Navy would be opperating easily out of reach. The show's don't give the military enough credit.
Hollywood in general always under estimates the power of the military.
The military are weak apparently in any hollywood cinematic universe. We're so weak, a group of survivors who got lucky can ambush and destroy a group of formally trained Marines.
find the irony that the military is weak but every homosexual is basically better trained than a Marine.... to be absurd
@@ke4977 What?
@@ke4977 It’s so true
The sheriff in Columbus Nebraska linked up with a local gun club (aka militia) and national guard unit. They imposed martial law on the community and set up a defensive perimeter around the small city as the epidemic began taking down both coasts. The sheriff's level head and use of civil defense protocols are credited with saving the city and the vast bulk of its inhabitants. Today, the 25,000 people making up Columbus are one of the largest population centers still existing in the plains states. The flat terrain gives them a decisive advantage in locating and terminating walker herds before they can get anywhere near Columbus.
" I don't know. I hear Nebraska's nice." - Rick Grimes
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Really what’s the safe zone called?
@@TWDExplained
Columbus
I didn't see that this was a TWD channel when I saw the thumbnail and just thought this was someone asking if our actual government just disappeared lol
haha good one....thanks for watching and/or commenting any way!
Same I saw half the thumbnail and thought it was about a government shutdown or something lol
I was like, ive watched 0 political videos, why are they pushing this on me lol, glad it wasn't that
Well you guys have Trump as president atm, so I think the question holds for both TWD & real life....lol
Foil hat much?...
Think of all of the troop landing ships, destroyers, hospital ships, supply ships, the 11 aircraft carriers which can run without fuel for DECADES. The Military would post likely move to colder environments where zombies can’t survive or move as fast like Alaska since it’s so cold. The airforce could draw out hordes and bombard zombies to thy kingdom come with B-52’s, A-10’s, F-35’s, F-18’s, F-16’s, B1’s B2’ Stealth Bombers, and etc. You can’t forget about the bases in Hawaii as well. It makes sense for bases closer to major cities to be overrun, but bases like Fort hood, Paris island, Guam, etc? How can zombies disable Main battle tanks and up-armored Humvees? They couldn’t even reach the gunners hatch to an MRAP. Apaches could release hell upon the zombies with their 30 mike mikes, hydra pods, and hell fires. We aren’t gonna talk about the air force bases which drone operators could control their drones from while in a safe terminal box? There’s so much equipment in the U.S. military arsenal we don’t see. All we see is a bunch of retards running around scared with guns. I don’t think the military would set up the little small outposts seen throughout the show, but much larger camps which would be closed into sections with an effective number of soldiers patrolling far and close to the perimeter. We’d have to see a much larger presence of the military regardless sooner or later, because if they did survive, they’d need to resupply.
I think US nuclear powered aircraft carriers can last 25 years without having to recharge.
Any surviving military elements would have to come out and push into the countryside.vReclaim farm land, mine, establish factories. High Tech needs maintenance. Empty bellies need food. Whole states would have to be cleared and patrolled relentlessly n order to support a military redoubt.
Because zombie fiction didn't exist in the TWD universe
OK what about food I mean soldiers ain't gonna eat nuclear stuff be alive right... How much supplies would there be on an island... They have to get to the mainland.... Atleast port at some dockyard... 1 full carrier fleat houses atleast 60,000 people... A lot of supplies would be needed to feed them
Gillan Baclayon ha ha !
I think they are because in that paper they realeased about operation cobalt It said they are not to travel by car but by air and this makes me think that the helicopters that we see throughout the show are remnants of the military looking to see where it is safe. Like if u agree
I think they have been watching Rick from the start.
Or that helicopter fleeing could be the one we see crash and the governor finds and takes in the surviving pilot, only to trick him into telling the location of the other soldiers then kill the pilot and all those other soldiers who were fleeing, and in the comic the helicopter just crashes when Rick sees it on fire, he then tells the atlanta camp where the helicopter crashed and they go to it and scavenge the gear, the riot type armour to be exact. So there is no military
@@thewalkingdeadlife7006 that is a very interesting point you got there. Holy shit they detected that he's the cure for the virus. No wonder he's always encountering these helicopters through out the show lol
@@danielsevillajr366 it could work maybe they were keeping him alive at the hospital because he didn't turn in to a walker Rick waked up from the coma left they came back to check on him they discovered he was gone so they send out helicopters to keep an eye on him.
TheWalkingDeadlife now ricks going to die was he the cure ? I think the helicopters are the commonwealth . Jadis (Anne)knows more than she’s letting on.
Whilst we may never see any remnants of the government, I respectfully disagree that all governments have fallen. Warning: lengthy discussion/theorisation follows.
Even looking back at Dr Edward Jenner at the CDC, he said the French were the last, but I believe that everyone lost connection with each other, so he cannot claim for certain that France fell.
Most major governments had massively reinforced bunkers dating back to the Cold War that would provide security and supplies in the event of nuclear armageddon that would have supplies to last for months or even years. The USA has numerous ranging from Mount Weather in Virginia to Cheyenne Mountain here in Colorado (hell, according to conspiracy theorists, Denver International Airport is an end of world bunker for the world elite lol). The US has extremely detailed and elaborate plans such as the Continuity of Operations, the U.K. has had similar relocation plans dating back to WWII with their Continuity of Government, and God knows how many bunkers Russia has left over from the Soviet-era. Not to mention that a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier is essentially a floating city with a near infinite supply of energy, desalination pumps/generators/plants to turn sea water into drinkable water... Even a diesel engine-powered carrier could last a while if planned well.
In addition, when Nick is in hospital in season one of FTWD, it is clear that many first responders (and therefore most likely the higher elements of government) are aware of what happens when someone dies due to the remark by a doctor when Nick’s roommate suddenly codes-‘if we can’t revive him within a couple of minutes, we need to take him downstairs’. In this sort of environment, the bunkers for the highest elements of governments would have armed guards keeping eyes on literally everyone 24/7 and searching for any and all signs of possible infection and turning during the night.
Lastly, I dunno if we can say the entirety of Operation Cobalt failed completely. Whilst the initial containment absolutely failed, we only see the withdrawal fail with our cast of characters, and that was due entirely by the meddling of said characters and the ‘liberation’ of the walkers and escorting them to the ‘base’ (if a cheap, non-reinforced chainlink fence can be called a ‘base’). Had the stadium been left alone, the military probably would have withdrawn in good order. We don’t know if similar bases and safe zones across the country (and world) were able to withdraw to a final national redoubt where they planned to just sit back, re-arm, re-organise, and wait until they could push out again and attempt to re-build. Would it be the government as we knew it before the apocalypse? Probably not. But they very well could be biding their time.
Just my thoughts... /novel
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Good points. Of course many commenters are thinking as if "what would really happen" instead of what the actual show's story tells us. The military wouldn't fall so easy and yes, some Military and Gov would be in a mountain somewhere......but the show's story has it going a different way. - Thanks for watching!
Couldn't have said it any better. Absolutely agree with you here, mate.
KingGeorgeVI in mother Russia the Russian bites the Walker
King Rylan *COMRADE*
TWDExplained, nice point. But even though the creators of the show never showed that the government was possibly relocated in a mountain DOESN’T MEAN THAT IT NEVER MIGHT’VE HAPPENED. I mean, they mostly the survivors but not the government. Who knows they’re going with the WWZ novel, but in survivors’ eyes when the government left them stranded in the infected mainland while the US Government and other survivors are chilling in Hawaii and/or Alaska before counter-attacking in a decade or so(like in the WWZ novel).
Navy ships at sea? As in WWZ?
Dead Andburied I read the novel and it's gud
Dead Andburied people that die at sea
yeah submarines and nuclear missile silos!
doubt it its been atleast 11 years since the apocalypse started those hiding in government bunkers and at sea would have run of of food, water and fuel by now and would have been forced to come out of their metal homes probably for the first time
the problem in walking dead is that anyone becomes a zombie... so even if all the old zombies die, new ones will always come around... the only plausible solution is to monitor each person at all times and once they get dead to go for the head....
My personal theory is that most military units split up into warlord groups, and maybe some militias also took control of other places
I guarantee someone is still left at Cheyenne Mountain. Perfect Apocalypse bunker because it was designed for a real Apocalypse.
Bill gates, mark Zuckerberg , elon musk r probably living inside it
Those guys in Cheyenne Mountain have left the planet via Stargate.
@@VashtheStampede007 They probably brought the Virus to Earth via Stargate, Like that Neanderthal virus from Season 1
Possible
Unless it’s sealed up tight and they don’t realize reamimation amongst injured and sick
Then it becomes a tomb
They should make a spinoff based on this
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Gotta remember the commonwealth, a survivor group 50.000 strong.
yeah, they can do it just fine, but not the whole military LOL geez
And CRM military group 200.000 much strong
I think that they may be parts of the army that survived and most of them are probably in the commonwealth. We have to assume that if Rick and his group can survive so did parts of the military but I don't think there is a organized government I believe it collapsed.
+Creatures The problem is that a post-apocalyptic world, especially early on, with a lot of people still alive, is a desperate fight for resources. That makes what is usually the strength of the army, their size and organization, their weakness. Bigger concentrations of forces become impossible to maintain, because they just suck the area dry of supplies - especially when you count in all the hungry refugees that flock to them - and begin to starve almost immediately. Then the only solution is to split them up into smaller units, so they can feed themselves. And when you do that, it becomes almost impossible to coordinate large scale operations, as you no longer have the manpower on hand. It is highly likely that some of the more strategic and more defensible locations are still held by the army, but by this point, they must be running low on pretty much everything anyway.
@@jirkazalabak1514 Very true. Unless they have people like Eugine that may be able to make bullets but even then the problem of food would become a major issue especially if they are still protecting a group of survivors. Of course you would also have the problem of a military hierarchy in those areas still under military control which would eventually lead to a break down of military structure unless they rule by fear like Negan or have the respect of the people like Rick.
It only lost connection
some form of government survived as many bunkers an doomsday plans that are in place yeah some of it survived now granted they have to rebuild
the only problem would be if they get in bunker a some one died. an let's not forget there's a lot of spec ops soldiers out there. soldiers that are trained to work an survive long periods of time right by themselves so yeah some of them survived but with no word from the actual government they working alone
@@creaturesofdarkness3365 most spec ops soldiers know how to fight regardless of weapon. they'll just start using now an arrows an pungie sticks
Honestly the zombies aren't what scares me in walking dead its the fact that there is no hope there is no coming back there is no more nations all the people who died to defend thier homes lives mean nothing anymore our history our homes everything was taken now imagine that happening in real life you've served in a war and seen almost all of your friends die and now everything that you fought for is gone now that is why I find walking dead to be so horrifying
the CRM and Commonwealth both have civilian and military branches with both of them speaking about High Ranking Officers both having access to Helicopters, Military Equipment/assets and Portland has been mentioned as an HQ and it's been Seen that the CRM has an Advanced Lab Working phonelines and Doctors and VIP details.
CW does not have fuel - vehicles or choppers
Portland may have been overrun as well?
Still confused as to how the military got overthrown when Rick with a machete and Daryl with a rocket launcher could take out a giant horde on their own
Just know if a group of civilians can survive and thrive, it would be stupid to think there aren't groups of military people out there doing the same
JDM FASTGUYS And the military, with massive military assets, are much more likely to be secure and capable of holding out for years most likely.
@@13thBear is there a likelihood that they are well off and just avoiding detection to avoid hostile humans and additions of new civilians they need to take care off?
One of the government factions took Rick back to a base and then was evacuated to England.....
Then he became the Doctor and flying the Tardis.
Are there any updates on the state of the uk in twd universe?
Tommy Forbes nope last we heard was in the first season but I think the guy just mentioned europe in general, might have name dropped some countries dont really remember.
The Benjaman The CDC guy mentions that France was the last nation working on a cure, but then they went dark like everyone else.
Wow, apparently my comment went over people's heads. Andrew Lincoln lives in England and wants to stay there. So that's where he's at.
What about Antarctica? It should be safe, the cold would freeze the Walkers!
how would people survive in antarctica without resourses
@@christostheocharides4689 Antarctica has land under it, in case you didn't know. People could also survive there by ice fishing, building igloos to keep in heat, etc.
Hypothetical scenario
Random depress person who lost his family hang himself, became a Walker inside the safe space?
The whole you just need to die to be Walker really adds to the scenario.
@@blackpowderkun Very true. At least a hanging Walker is easier to kill. And the cold slows down the Walkers. So still a danger but less of one if the hanging Walker is in Alexandria.
Since the walkers also seem to feed on animals too, attacking rick's horse and eating the deer daryll hunted, countless animal species may have been wiped out as well.
What most people don't get, the biggest enemy to an organized society is panic.
This is what happened and if the government remnants were around and knew more than the average survivor they would probably dig-in in natural areas such as islands or mountainous regions using rivers as demarcation lines etc or in Cheyenne just hide inside.
And as the video states correctly, chain of command can breakdown to mere warlordism. Not just petty warlordism like Rick, Governor or Megan but maybe early twentieth century China level over who is the legitimate government.
I believe the government is around but gave up on saving the world and probably just dugbin and wait this thing out until they sort out some vaccine for the reanimation process but also to keep their equipment functional since they no longer have the industrial-military complex to back them up anymore.
It would be interesting the Commonwealth being a form of a post-apocalyptic proto-state not just a confederation of settlements like Alexandria and her neighbours
Good points. Thanks for watching!
+Roya Well, the confederations of cities are how the first states got established, historically speaking. Negan had a good opportunity to build a functional empire. If he treated the subjugated groups with more respect, he could have been the founder of a new state.
@@TWDExplained Stated the obvious mate, love your channel but wish the showrunners being somewhere along those lines in regards to this subject
RoyaCanadianInfantry tell me how do you explain in other games, books, tv shows, movies the military still exists and heck in some of them won like you would expect the military around the world to continue fighting instead of being wipeout like in the last of us the military still exist and hold large safe zones and while yea there not powerful as they once were they still exist and govern safe zones and I can believe that the military is in that state do to how powerful the infected are the infected in the walking dead are probably the weakest infected do to the fact they only walk and are dumb and the only way i can see the military fail is if there idiots even if the panic from people were to caused stuff and pretty big stuff the military won’t simply back down the military will continue fighting and do to how weak the infected are they will win they won’t all of a sudden fall apart like I still don’t understand how the military just all of a sudden fall apart even if there were chaos and panic in a organized society the military will eventually win or at least continue the fight in other media we saw chaos and panic in a organized society and yet the military exists and in some of this they won they won’t simply back down from a fright even in chaos they will fight the military in the walking dead are idiots that’s the only explanation I can give for why the military fail while in other media the military exists despite the chaos and panic from the outbreak.
Yes, the US Military would still exist, however, they would likely lock down and defend hard points such as NORAD, and other large military installations as apposed to going out and actively fighting the undead. The sheer firepower at the military’s disposal including air and Naval assets would make being totally overrun unlikely. Meanwhile, entities like CDC, WHO, DARPA, etc, would likely continue limited operation underground with heavy military protection.
The priority would be defending the R&D sector in the hopes of developing a cure or at the very least, some type of immunization before going out and clearing out the walkers.
I have to say that lying sack of s......well..Eugene....had a good idea when confronted to spill the beans on the cure in that train car they were locked in at Terminus. Sasha confronted him and eventually he lied about being on a ten man team of the human genome project and fighting a weaponized disease with a weaponized disease....but that would be cool......of course we don't even know what IT is (the virus) - Thanks for watching!
TheWalking DeadExplained : no problem, thanks for making these vids.
There are things like the Civic Republic and the commonwealth which were part of the government but became their own things
But when this video was released I don't think any of that was known at least in the show universe, they did exist in the comics then
Well, at the time of the video being released he says they are just getting into season 9, and from what I believe Civic Republic takes Rick away in season 9
Commonwealth appears at season 10 end.
The real problem with TWD is the walkers go on forever, even without food. At some point, they need to cease just because there is no such thing as perpetual motion machines.
They became CRM, Padre, and others like them.
Where did we find out about Italy? Obviously the cosmonaut would have lost contact with Russian High Command and he mentioned seeing lights go out, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that all nations fell. Where did we specifically hear about Italy?
In the comics. There was a one off comic about Rick's younger brother. He was in Spain actually - I messed that one up!! So we have Russia, Spain and France (from Jenner at CDC) - many other clues lead us to believe that it is worldwide.
Didnt the guy in the CDC say it was worldwide
C Bonsall-Pearson - yes in many ways he did without directly saying it. Thanks for watching!
Am I the only one who's noticed that an unusually high number of police officers survive the apocalypse, when compared to other professions.
Because it takes them so long to respond!😜 They weren’t on the “front lines”. 😜😜
In TWD?
We have Rick.
We had Shane.
Then we have..............................uhm.......uh......who else? I don't watch Fear the Walking Dead( watched first season then could not stand any of the characters except perhaps the addict kid).
@@bluerosedwarf1746 The "frontlines" defence is paper thin, most doctors are well behind guarded lines usually, specially during these kind of things, important medical personnel would be flow out almost first in an overrun.
I hope we can see at least some military personal in season 9. There is some evidence in season 8 because of the trash people and there are military looking helicopters towards the end of season 8 and we get a split second of a helicopter in the season 9 trailer.
You should do a video on what areas might be safe, or have the best chances at the lowest infection levels.
I feel like Tasmania or new zealand would have a decent chance at survival; they both have enough flat land for agriculture and are split off from any other land by hundreds of km of ocean, and tasmania especially would probably be the last of australia’s states to fall as it has hilly terrain, is an island, and could just easily close off to the rest of the globe if necessary
I think if there is a sort of government it is something like the series The Last Ship (by the way great show). some navy ship that was alone and away from infections. But the question is if the virus is in everyone and activates when we die, when did that virus actually start to spread and did it make it to the navy ships.
sorry if that was confusing, I am bad at explaining things
Yeah if they were all the way out in the ocean how could they be infected if it spread after they left port? Of course once they came back to refuel, rearm, and get some more supplies I think they would have been infected idk. I think maintaining an aircraft carrier crew would be extremely difficult but as seen in the Last Ship they only have over 200 to take care of cause it is just a destroyer
@@famousramus2288 yeah
I mean that’s like asking where the government around in the Fallout universe. The answer is yes and no, the pre war government is around or at least remnants of it like the brotherhood of steel which descended from members of the prewar military but also the Enclave. However, One of the factions aren’t eager to to restore order and instead hoards technology that the people need to protect them from the people. The enclave wanted to restore order by killing all those deemed unworthy I.E. tribals, slavers, etc., the only form of government are things like the NCR, and the minuteman both factions who want to help the wasteland. Minutemen more than NCR if you played New Vegas you know what I mean.
This always made me interested, this sounds like a good story, talking about a group of soilders just trying to survive
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I figured that when communications with command went down and the logistics and resupply failed, most of the military units also splintered. They probably became roving bandits using what equipment and training they had to pillage until they either used up whatever reserves they had or the infighting got to the point where they took off. It takes a very strong leader to hold a group together when they start running out of everything. Most of the ammunition would eventually get used up. The fuel would be gone, their uniforms would start to fall apart, then they would start being indistinguishable from all the others... except for their military training. My feeling is that those units that figured out that if a person died, no matter if they were bitten or not would turn, and took steps to ensure that people had to be kept isolated and protected so anyone who died and turned couldn't infect the group like Patrick did in the prison in season 4, probably survived longer. They likely had mandatory check-ins every couple of hours or so to keep that from happening.
The surviving military would likely be in areas where there is no civilization for hundreds of miles, like deserts. But there are virtually no supplies in the area, so that almost completely wipes away that possibility. The government and their families would likely go into hiding in bunkers or something, and stay in touch with other surviving world governments, and would also likely have their private security and a little bit of the military with them
For those who are reading this, this vid was 4 years later but now present day where the series expanded there’s this gigantic organization called the civic republic and the civic republic military, they have everything even a government too, the answer to this video, if you know very little abt them then search it up
I’ve been wondering this since the operation cobalt video
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Well according to the timeline. it's been about 9 years since the outbreak and no sign of the Military or Government.
because none of the showrunners want to go into that anymore because the show's beyond the point of fighting walkers. It's now fighting other survivors. The shows not "the walking dead" anymore. it's now "the soap opera and the dead"
I agree when you say if you look at the show too closely, it starts to break down. Not sure how the military ever disappeared. The series has never provided a rationale explanation for why the Army would just disappear. An Infantry Company would be virtually invulnerable against a horde of mindless zombies. Now imagine entire Army Divisions and what they would be able to do. The real problem with Walking Dead and Fear the Walking Dead is they never showed how so many people turned into Zombies overnight. Remember - At both the start of both series, life went from totally normal to complete chaos in a few hours. In the Walking Dead, you see signs of an abandoned child's birthday party near Rick's house. This means people thought it was safe enough that morning to throw an outdoor party for their kid, but by the afternoon society had collapsed. Then there Fear the Walking Dead, where the schools send the kids home early on one day only to have the collapse of society by the next morning. Now slow moving zombies and a Z virus that takes hours or days to turn you into a Zombie when bitten will not cause such overnight collapse. If that were the case, then the whole World would be infected by rabies in a matter of hours. They could have avoided this plot hole by simply having a sizeable portion of the population turn into Zombies by breathing in the Z virus, while the rest only transform if bitten or dying. If a third of the population became Zombies overnight and started attacking others, then yes...you could have an overnight collapse.
all true - and in FTWD the birthday party across the street that was still going on when the neighbor zombie came over and attacked (or something like that) - if they would stick to it happened all of a sudden is one thing but in FTWD Tobias said there had been sightings for weeks and suddenly it DID seem like it started happening all at once (as far as society breaking on one day).....so yeah, don't think too far into it haha - thanks for the comment!
I think the important thing to note though, and what made it so dangerous, is that each person is already infected. You don’t need to “catch” the sickness. If anyone in your camp catches the regular flu and dies- zombie. If someone slips and falls and dies in the shower- zombie. You don’t need an invading force when the enemy is already within.
The tipping point of societal collapse comes when duty is overcome by self preservation. Once the medical and transportation infrastructure shreds, the security forces won't last much longer. Society today supports far too many "freeloaders", those who contribute little if anything but consume and have no knowledge of anything beyond that.
You'd likely see Army/Marines units and maybe some police stick together to defend areas w/their families, that might create islands of stability but they'd have to weather the early waves of refugees pretty ruthlessly. I think the refugee masses would be more of a danger than the zeds until starvation, mass killings by thugs/criminals etc thin the numbers down enough that you'd see some social reconstruction. That would likely be at least a year or so though. Much will depend if enough specialists (medical, technical, mechanical) survive that period of the collapse to be supported by the rest.
We'd be at a 19th century level pretty quick if the die off is fast enough. If it takes too long though we might be at a medieval level w/nothing but tiny villages being the new basis of humanity. It'd be a slow crawl back up if that happened.
So what you basically saying is that people are always the villain / Danger....
pretty much so...the zeds would be just another fixture of the environment until man/nature largely eliminate them. In reality except maybe in the more densely packed urban areas of nations and nations that don't have armed civilians, I don't think zeds could have ever gotten the upper hand anyway.
Many great points made in this section, in regards to remnants of military and government, the safest places for them would either be in an underwater , base, fully loaded battle ships and auxiliary support naval battle fleets, aerial support battle vehicles, military advanced lunar/mars bases, and the such, only in ignorance can we assume that the government wouldn’t have these contingency plans in place even wayyy before the outbreak,The human race are an interesting, unpredictable, unorthodox practical yet impulsive species, built for survival against all odds , even if this type of TWD zombie apocalypse took place in real life rather than fiction I’m pretty confident we’ll have no problem taking care of the zombie hords,
I think it would be interesting to incorporate former special forces characters in this story, especially tier 1 operators. I feel these people would all be more than equipped to survive long term like the current characters
The thing is, if military had survived it wouldn't have stayed governmental...
Most soldiers would have abandoned their posts, desertions would have taken place, most would have died in combat and those who would have survived would have split and would have formed seperate groups of their own..
There wouldn't have been any central command
Fort knox, Area 51 and Cheyenne mountain are probably still up
4 years later I just noticed the Ranger actor is the same guy from Generation Kill as one of the officers.
The military died cause of lag.Belive me i know the feeling.
ikr
They still alive my dude
tbh i’d like to see how alaska would fall. all the little islands. i lived on one for 8 years with 32 other people, we built homes & a food sanctuary. the island was small so we didn’t need cars but we all put them in one place in case we did. it’d be easy to build walls around it, it’s lowkey, about 56 minutes from the land. food was everywhere, we grew crops & played farmer for the kids’ education. it was dope.
And I thought I've lived in small towns before......
Nah we still around....waiting on the beaches of Hawaii for it all to blow over
I don’t understand why the governor would kill that whole military platoon. Like he could’ve asked them questions about the virus and if theres anyone out there.
Tough call. I'm kind of split on this issue. On the one hand, I desperately want to know what caused the dead to start walking around, so on some level I actually WANT there to be some kind of remnant of the old government just so that they eventually can shed some light on this overarching mystery, and it also seems to be way too unrealistic that the entire military might of the world would get wiped out so easily. But on the other hand, I also kind of feel like if there still was a backbone of the old government left, it would hollow out the whole premise of the show, because as it is, the show has become an epic event of survival and of rebuilding society out of the ruins of the old. If tanks rolled up suddenly and openly declared "hey there, we're back now, we'll take care of this", the show would become so much less than what it is.
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The walkers WOULD FAIL unless you apply a good dose of Disbelief.
Walkers would be eaten up by insects and be turned into piles of unmoving bones in short order.
En-mass zombies could be shredded by large trucks (city snowplows, caterpillar tracked construction.
Survivors would QUICKLY spread the word about headshots on walkers.
6:00 imagine watching that
And with hindsight, I say most of the military has transformed either into the CRM or the commonwealth with the few that haven't been able to join the two either factions is due to, some creating their own faction or cult entirely and joining different groups. With some being lone wolves due to being unable to establish contact with other factions, or just preferring to have a small team or just prefer alone overall.
They need show more of this stuff
Quite a old video but I've gathered some information recently and this gave me some ideas:
It's plausible that the remmnants of the us government are using places like Raven rock mountain complex,mount wheater,Cheney mountain complex or even the bunker under the white house
Comand probably ordered the coast guard to evacuate civilians to secure places like Alaska and Hawaii where a smaller population and territory makes easier to manage and secure the civilian population,marines,navy and airforce would make their way with ships or aircraft towards the safe areas,some army and national guard personnel could be evacuated
Special forces units would probably get priority transportation due to the fact that they are made to be mobile and work stealthy, remember the armed forces have the gear but if they are in places with poor mineral quantities they can't just send an A-10 or some Reapers to solve the problem so if they wanted to clear some place small,mobile stealthy units would be the rule until the get a strong foothold
To combat hordes use of NAPALM and white fosfer would together with anti cavalry tatics and heavy use of antimateriel weapons to either pierce as more heads as possible or destroy zombie spines ,soldiers would be outified with bayonets to kill a zombies in small groups.
Riot gear and Kevlar lined clothing would become the standart issue uniform,tissue linned with Kevlar becomes resistant to cuts,this means that even if the zombies could somehow pierce the very resistant clothing of the armed forces initially the bites would cause more pain than danger,automatic weapons such as the M-4 would probably be ditched for high caliber slow firing high precision rifles such as an Henry 45-70 all wheater,the FAL,M-14,M-24 sniper system or the HK-417
Planes would be used only to drop troops covertly,vehicles like the osprey would grab the troops outside of military controled zones
Survivors that don't agree with going to a military safe zone would be considered witnesses or traitors, remember a LOT of people would be pissed off with the government and some have freaking tanks
Just a note:I find strange some submarine crew didn't propositaly trihered MAD(mutually assured destruction) the US and Russia have automated missile systems that will send nukes to each other if a enemy nuclear weapons goes of in Russian/NATO territory
I think that's all ma boi bye
That's a book! Good thoughts...
@@TWDExplained Well,thanks for reading
Have a good night sir
as per military protocol, when comms are severed, the OIC or NCOIC is to continue on current mission, or open sealed orders for new mission objectives, until new verifiable orders are received. Semper Fi.
Do you think the desertion rate would be high in a situation like this when soldiers heard that orders to bomb and kill civilians? - Thanks for watching!
it would depend on the unit, i.e. active duty, reservist, state guardsmen that should be taken into account for dissertion. also, most American cmdrs would try to put as big a buffer they could between the unit to only fire on civilians as a last resort.
Good points, thanks!
kidbach Thank you. At least you and I have a brain and some knowledge about how the militaries and governments work.
@@13thBear you're welcome, Brother.
The interest about the outside world is astonishing!! wow! The videos about the heli, about the military operation and the change of being a goverment outside there have one hundred thousand views instead of the other videos! Mine interest too about these scenarios are high!!
More videos like them are coming.....Thanks for watching!
What how did the CRM do it they seem to be there ready to pick up the pieces like they knew what was going to happen
in S1 when Rick rides into the city and it shows the overrun military posts with those 50 call machine guns which would be unlikely. With that caliber of bullet you wouldn't even need to aim for the head cause they would rip apart the walkers immobilizing them and travel through more than one walker
There is actually a very sophisticated a contingency plan within the Federal government for a full scale crisis called COGCON. Like the military's DEFCON, COGCON or "Continuity Of Government readiness CONdition" amounts to basically a play book by which different departments within the Executive Branch would maintain order and/or at least some semblance of a functioning civilian government in the event of national crisis (say a dirty bomb going off in DC or surprise invasion by a hostile foreign power).
COGCON 1 is what we are in right now (I hope), it is the everyday normal operations of the Federal government. When COGCON 4 or above is called (it goes to 5 like DEFCON) it has been determined by either the White House or the Department of Homeland Security that the normative and regular operations of the government as whole cannot be continued due to any number of circumstances. At this point even if they are not in the capital Senators, US House Reps, the Supreme Court Justices, and the President's Cabinet members along with POTUS and the VP, some support staff, and perhaps even some of their family members are basically abducted by the Department of Homeland Security and the Secret Service. What's frightening for some is that, effectively, when this part of COGCON is put into action the DHS is temporarily the government of the country. If anyone within the line of succession are determined by DHS (or the Secret Service) to have been incapacitated, are unaccounted for, or have been killed the Joint Chiefs of Staff (who have their own contingency plan through the DoD) are alerted and a plan to swear in whoever is next is quickly hashed out. Typcally these officials who are being abducted by DHS are on their way to hardened sites where they can ride out the storm or whatever is happening. If it appears that there will be long term COGCON 4 or 5 situation teams at each hardened site will try to maintain contact between the various different civilian government officials for as long as possible.
The whole point of COGCON is to keep whatever parts of the Federal government we have left working as long as possible and gear up to return control to an elected government as quickly as possible.
Cool....Thanks for watching!
I like to think that some form of military out there is still around, whether that be the US or beyond. In season 1 it is mentioned the French were the last to hold out, could mean that there is still some form of government there if they figured out that everyone is infected.
I kind of wish we had a zombie show that follows a group of soldiers. And for it to be realistic, we win. There is no way we could lose to slow walking zombies. We’d learn pretty quickly to shoot them in the head. The only problems I see are ammo, supplies, and radios. Also, the US army is already spread thin. We’d have to get back quickly. In the end, I think we would win.
A bite based infection would move quickly then much slower. The police, military and citizen militia would put down a zombie uprising with brutal efficiency.
Oh, one department of the government would survive....the IRS.
It would be cool to see a walking dead series set in another country such england, germany, china, or africa.
The way things were portrayed the term Zombie never existed so all we know from Cinema about how they are created inculding how the infection spreads through getting bitten never being known.
So in short, when things are unknown people tend to panic and get turned, which goes double for those within the Military and Law enforcement being the first to fall including the government.
Armored regiments would be invincible to zombies with enough fuel which the USA has huge reserves
Or a APC armoured personnel carrier but the fuel is different
Like I said on another comment, no one would be safe because that disease can spread anywhere and there is no way of knowing if someone has it until they get sick and die, and it is possible for it to get inside any bunker or whatever
Where the hell is they navy if they were deployed during when the infection started some ships had to stay at sea...
I did make it past the season where the group was in a prison and used it as a base but didn't that doctor at the CDC say the french were close to something was that ever touched on again?
I love how the Walking Dead kind of ignored the existence of 194,000ish overseas US soldiers that ya know, wouldn't try their own operation.
From what we know in the TWD story line....the outbreak is global and most of those 194k are not alive or human anymore. - Thanks for watching!
Military has withdrawn from all but essential operations...fighting hordes is done with bulldozers and earth-moving equipment...Army Corps of Engineers making Walker-horde barriers and 'dead-fall' traps.
With a finite number of Soldiers and limited prospects for Recruitment, military forces would seek to not engage with Walkers.
To people on the ground, it would certainly look like the Army has given up or been destroyed.
Yep it's called the CRM
I guess now with CRM (civil republic military) we find out there is some sort of military left
LOL watching this 2 years later knowing the virus isnt from earth
The only element of the government and the military left is the United States Navy. The first objective of the survivors of the military is focus on establishing some bases on islands. Of course, there are the remaining aircraft carriers. One of the bases for any of the surviving aircraft carriers is Hawaii. After the bases are established, one of the main priorities of the survivors is to establish contact with rest of the world. For the Commonwealth, its rulers will likely find themselves in conflict with the other unknown major powers. Some candidates for the other major powers are Bermuda, Newfoundland, Hawaii, Iceland, and ironic Japan.
Yes there will still be military. Have you heard of NATO? If one country is attacked all the countries in NATO will help.
Unfortunately every country had an outbreak at the time and started to crumble, lose power grids, society began to break down fast. NATO stopped existing the day the outbreak went global. Nations could not help themselves, much less anyone else. - Thanks for watching!
@@TWDExplained Oh then it looks like no more military, most of the military that did survive joined other groups.
SamSingh Well, most of them probably deserted when they realized that their families would be literally left for dead without their help.
I think the biggest problem is that TWD and FTWD take place in two high population areas (Eastern seaboard and Socal/Mexico), and it shouldn't surprise anyone that the military and governments have collapsed in those regions.
However, I feel if they ever had characters from the northern US states (Alaska, Montana, the Dakotas, etc.), I think the story would be very different. Areas like those have low population, significant gun ownership and a fair number of military bases. If there is any sort of organized government/military presence in the US, it's in those areas (Alaska especially).
I could also see significant numbers of USN ships floating just over the horizon off either coast.
I don't believe the government is functioning but I do believe there are ENCLAVES of Military & Government personnel around the country (and probably around the World) and they're just trying to take care of the populace closest to them or EVEN JUST THEMSELVES. Probably run by lower ranking Officers, Non-commissioned Officers (Sergeants) and lower ranking government officials: House Representatives (Deanna) and Department Chairs (or their assistants).
Some doctors DID survive, to say the ENTIRE Military (Active duty, National Guard & Reserves) from ALL FIVE SERVICES: Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines & Coast Guard are gone is to say that none of them, AS INDIVIDUALS, were SURVIVORS. I don't buy it. Abraham made it and the guys he was with would have if they hadn't gone NATIVE, RIP ABRAHAM!!! The unit the governor killed had made it, they just didn't think a LIVING AMERICAN would be a threat. The governments are indeed GONE, *but there are 800 Army bases around the world, just Army bases,* some branch or collective branches of the Military are 'holding it down' SOMEWHERE.
I feel military bases in the middle parts of the country could easily be still working since it would take a good while for any sizable horde to make it anywhere remotely close plus they easily could survive thanks to the heartland being farms for hundreds of miles so any bases or underground bunkers could easily support settlements around them as long as the people in charge are decent people
If I were in this universe my first thought would be to head north. I would want to be where it gets to at least 20 below 0. Dead or not human bodies will freeze solid if exposed long enough. If would offer much relief.
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I'm more curious as to how the nukes haven't gone off in the walking deads universe considering that there is no one to do any maintenance on the equipment
and also wouldn't nukeler power plants gone into a melt down by now ?
Jada is a member of the commonwealth and junkyard is an old commonwealth outpost seem as they're all ex military ✔
I bet alaska managed to do alright on account of the low population and profusion of military bases. And the heavy snowfall and sub zero temps prolly freezes the fuck out of the zombies or at least prevents them from moving during the winter months
Didn’t the governor in walking dead comics say that the military bailed for their own children?
Yeah, also to think of the families of the military people. I could imagine the military becoming quite diverse, not everyone is going to blindly follow orders.
rockstarcrossing I know they would, my dad is a good example cause he is Army and he would protect us (and my sisters since they require cornstarch you keep living) over a dying Government
Take a look at TV series Jericho. An interesting look at continuity governments