As a US Navy veteran, I'm going to presume that you have never served in the military. There are multiple island bases located throughout the world, including Hawaii and Guam. Regardless of branch, military personnel are trained to understand their equipment to a point where they are able to service it and otherwise repair it if something goes wrongs, providing they have the resources available to attempt repairs. I remember an emergency breakaway in which my ship lost an underway replenishment station. Repair division spent all night rebuilding that station with what we had available. That makeshift station worked and we completed our deployment. All that is to say as long as resources can be procured, the military should be able to function. Food, medicine, and materials are all limited resources, however, and even island bases can only last so long, even if it were possible to raise plants and animals to help provide food. Truthfully, all zombie scenario writers love to make the military look incompetent, so that a group of poorly trained and unprepared halfwits can become heroes. I would suggest doing some real research and consult with actual active duty military from all branches (there must be a recruiting office near you) and see what they have to say about zombie scenarios and how the military would function, you might be surprised.
First off: Thank you for your service. Second: I agree. If the US main was lost to a Zombie take over, the Military wouldn't just disappear from the face of the earth. But from a average civilians point of view, the Military would just disappear. I guess in The Walking Dead, the Navy, and what remains of the US Army, and Air Force. Are planning on returning to the Main land. Third: I never read the book, or watched the show. But I am sure at some point, the Military will return. (If the book's writer, or the Show's writers have half the knowledge you displayed here.)
Yeah, like the Brazilian Amazon, the Sahara, China, Japan, Australia, England, Siberia, even Canada and Alaska. I'd love see how they'd deal with the walkers in the snow.
@@yisuscraist3680 Australia would become a super power in the walking dead universe in the post apocalypse. We know that the zombies are susceptible to rot from high temperatures and well, australian temperatures melt cars. The zombies literally would not live long enough to be a large enough threat once the government came to their senses.
@@yisuscraist3680 heck yea. And if the regular people can rebuild and survive so long the government has to have a safe zone heavy guarded and in the masses with top leaders .
Well i heard the director for season 1 (frank) wanted s1 of walking dead to end with rick n the gang leaving after the building blowing up and seasons after that would be about different people/groups (hell would be dope to see how negan came to be if he was ever brought up in early TWD) surviving in different locations n such but u know, money
The military would never fail in a zombie apocalypse. It would just be a bit hard for them to contain the situation everywhere when litterally everybody on the planet can become a zombie
I have to disagree, considering in this world, zombies are not such a part of the culture like it is in RL. So not knowing what's happening, people getting sick, old people dying, and turning. Think of how many deaths occur each hour in the world. Its like a pandemic, once it happens, its going to overwhelm society every where....
@@TeflonRhino true however it’d be pretty easy to research them. Specially since there slow and dumb. Doesn’t make sense but we’re all entitled to our opinion and I respect yours.
@@TeflonRhino no I don’t think so cutler in the military is very different .... twd story makes it seem as if all military forces would disintegrate in weeks .. in fighting mutinies etc no central command ? As soon as it started the joint chiefs would be in bunkers
Hawaiian islands do not have enough farmland to feed island residents and tourists, let alone the military and USA. Cost of living in Hawaiinis high because every consumer product and virtually all food must be shipped from the mainland.
The US has 12 carriers (10 Nimitz and 2 Ford class) currently active and 7 (Ford Class) still in production. The UK has one, Russia has one, China has two and maybe some other countries, which I am not aware of might have one.
Such a great storyteller I think the walking dead would have been a lot better with him at the helm his first season with the dead using things to break in and climbing obstacles would have made it more interesting then it became after he went.
The problem with anything having to do with TWD and the military is that it’s not just walker bites. Anyone who dies turns. That’s a lot more overwhelming.
ive been thinking about this problem and i think i found a solution... if military somehow realize that u turn when die, they could put some microchip into your brain that detect death and the microchip explodes destroy brain and yeah . now u have function army ...
@@vansaxd265 if you look at Fear the Walking Dead, military there knew, in that camp/hospital they had they were using that gas pistol or how is it called to destroy brain on the person who died, but they got overrun from the outside, that won't happen on the ship.
One thing for certain. in season 3 when the Governor killed the soldiers. That was definately not realistic. In true life they wouldve at least put up a fight.
You are correct mate..its a very bad joke! I can assure you that they would've never even gotten CLOSE enough to REAL soldiers to do that, much less without being spotted, and as armed unknowns, they would've been treated as highly-likely-hostile anyway..and held at gunpoint, ready to be dropped at the first sign of refusing to even halt & ID, much less disarm..and no dumb backwoods hillbilly attempt at 'friendliness' would've saved them either, because.. ANY attempt to encircle, or surround, is always a hostile act..ALWAYS! If you think civ police are trained to own & take charge of a situation, then don't even get me started on how much you don't know about what soldiers are trained to do.. Especially when they are tasked with clearing out & securing specific objectives or holding ground. Soldiers excell at living rough, having high standards of discipline & fieldcraft, camouflage & hunting down enemy & sign, finding threats FIRST, and dealing with them DIRECTLY..they are not cops, dont waste time on prisoners, (except perhaps in the very short term for op-intel, but there are sure as hell no lawers or american 'miranda rights' there! ) No.. That entire scene was just an absurd fantasy..even a civ cop, in peacetime, isn't that dumb or unobservant..and would be demanding they be disarmed before allowing them close to chat..and even they would still be highly suspicious.. If you believe that real soldiers then, in a wartime/martial law/disaster setting woundn't be always extremely suspicious, and even far more likely to use instant lethal force, and trained ready, willing & able to do exactly that..( or even just out of heightened personal survival instincts!) I'm an ex Australian army infantry guy..and if this silly scenario ever happened to anyone trained here..they'd get zero sympathy from me..they damn well deserved to die! Any serious soldier, from any country, knows this: "Death is nature's way of telling you, in no uncertain terms, that your fieldcraft sucks.." (or that the other guy's, even if only on that day, at that moment..was still just a fine, knife's edge, of either skill or luck, better than yours was.. So.. Semper Vigilans, Semper Paratus, Semper Fidelis.. Enough said..
Bj Lewis yeah! Tell ‘em. Something I find frustrating in general is how the military is portrayed in the media. They are not incompetent. Especially modern Western militaries like the US or Australia.
@Eva Adamska No, I'm actually quite typical of an Aussie soldier..always been a fairly quiet & humble man..you picked up on that well, especially from just a few words, of a man you've never met.. "Every time you speak..you put your mind on parade" We Aussies are mostly "quiet professionals" and we don't serve for "public glory" We are well known for a bit of larrikin-ism, and jesting..but when it comes to soldiering, we are in the worlds top most tiers..and we quietly train many of the worlds military units, Doctors, Nurses etc. It was purely for purposes of providing my credibility, in my comment's explanation & opinion, that i even mentioned my prior service.. And i most certainly would NOT have, had i still been in the service, lest it attract unwanted attention to me or my family..or jeopardise any aspect of security or non-disclosure requirements. I stay well away from those who like to crow too loudly, especially in public, about their service. I just wanted to inject a little minor "reality check" into a comments section..something i enjoy doing on occasions..my own service did not involve any operational deployments, and i have no great personal exploits or triumphs to laud, even if it wouldn't clash with some security classification to discuss them. There are right times & places for soldiers wanting recognition of their efforts, among others who also know & understand.. But the internet will never be one of them. The Stolen Valour aspect is also a rising concern..It has always been there, but is far more prevalent now. But in truth, any recruit at 1RTB, Kapooka (thats our Army's boot camp here, IET for infantry is at Singleton) would know, and be able to recognise that the silliness of the scenes, that i commented on, in "the walking dead" are the sort of stupidity that only someone who has absolutely no idea, of even the most basics of soldiering, would actually believe.. It makes military people seem highly incompetent, just to add another days episode onto a soap opera on TV. And, when i said it was a silly thing, i meant it amicably, i was proud to serve.. I got to stand on the shoulders of giants, for a time..it is those that came before us, that gave their all, who deserve all the public recognition..thats what they get honoured for. The whole ANZAC tradition is based entirely around a very deep.. "lest we forget" mindset. Not some twisted "worship us more" mentality..that is the domain of politicians..not a healthy or humble attitude to have in anyone, anywhere..it is a far more common trait in "wanna-be" or failed military or police types attitudes..than any real Soldier, Sailor, or Airman would likely possess..we know, without brash words or false bravado, why we serve. It sounds to me as though your thoughts on vets, have been formed by only ever hearing from the hoards of far too loud "couch commandos" and other wanna-be's screeching on the internet, like a noisy flock of Cockatoos! They talk crap..if they ever discussed anything serious at all, it would likely breach some kind of security or, at the very least, one of several signed "non-disclosure" style of understandings, as we all do on entry into the forces.. And they would soon be getting found, arrested & charged. Period. Hence the very occasional little reality checks..you were quick to pick up the subtle sound of a real guy, from all the noisy cockatoos.. And I'm not even a Veteran.. just someone who did a little military service as a young bloke..and wanted to point out in that chat, that any competent military unit, (hell, even a new recruit or police officer), wouldn't have allowed that, much less fallen for it.. Real Veterans are a whole next step up again.. Hope this helps your overall opinion of servicemen & veterans a little, Eva..it seems we are a little under-represented, or perhaps its more a cultural difference..you haven't mentioned a specific country..just an on-line US TV show comment, either way.. Have yourself a great day, where ever you are, and a warm G'day from 🇦🇺 Cheers! 🍻
The U.S. government has miles of tunnels with hundreds+ tons of food and equipment and supplies stored. The military knows where they are. So not that big a problem.
@@johnxina1635 But there's histories of those so call "Tunnels" and shelters waaayy back than the Cold War, pretty much since the foundation of the country, but I don't know exactly what they were used for when nukes weren't a thing!!
15-20 Years of operations without need for refueling. The storage capacity of Nimitz Class carriers for refrigerated and dry food can support a crew of 6000 for Approximately 70 days.
what happens after 70 days when you can't get resupplied? cause all the supliers have been overran by the apocalypse from fuel, food, medicine and parts? the military doesn't have an endless supply, even supplies have to be replenished.. when the factories, farms and refineries stop producing food, medicine, parts and fuel(even ammo).. what will the military do?
@@userjlj They have enough to last several years. By then they will have farms and whatever is needed set up. They have people from all backgrounds in it to handle whatever is needed.
The show is focused on Rick and the group. They've been traveling a lot but they haven't even been halfway across the country. I believe that there's still a military somewhere in other parts of the world. Possibly more survived than we thought of.
If so, why didnt they contact the main land? SPOILER SEASON 10 Eugene tried to make contact with others and no one answered except that lady in season 10.
@@andirichards7371 yeah, but i don't see a zombie biting through chainmail and leather, it would come down to being killed by being pinned by a zombie, as long as you don't let them pin you down there's no way they are getting to you
If they can first take Oahu, they have all the Navy assets including Pearl Harbor on the island which will have plenty of parts to keep the fleet afloat for quite a while since it's a major port for repair for the Pacific Fleet.
To me, Guam would be a better base of operation than Hawaii. It has ship repair facilities, parts for naval vessels, weapons storage, and preposition ships located there. Plus it has a lot less area and population to clear.
Pearl Harbor would be important here. I read a Highschool of the Dead fanfiction where the US 7th fleet based in Japan retreats to Pearl Harbor as it was unaffected with the outbreak. Of course Guam would be strategic being closer to US allies like Japan, Australia, and the Philippines plus having the nuclear submarines and B-52, B-1, and B-2 bombers
Steve j would cost too much to money and time to implement into the show, on top of that if the walkers were just bone the show would end like ASAP lol
world war z the book covered that issue. It seems that the virus is 100% fatal to all life, so flys might be attracted to the zombies but they couldn't eat or leave maggots to feed off them.
Glenn was killed about a year to a year and a half after the rise of the walkers. I did a little google searching, it takes about 6 to 10 years, depending on soil conditions for a human body to be stripped to a skeleton. I would sudjest that in conditions that lack macro scavenging, (no bears birds wolves coyotes) eating on a walker, due to fear of humans still being engrained in them. You would only be having scavenging happen on a small macro level, say flys having adapted to laying eggs on a moving dead body after a dozen or 3 dozen generation's passed. Along with micro organic decomposition. This being said i think most walkers that have been showen by twd to the date of Glens death have been excessively decomposed. After the googling i did and my real life experiences in dealing with road kill deer... I do believe it wouldnt be untell year 8 or 9 before most of the walkers had been stripped to Skelton
speaking in regards to the system to keep one person from dying on the ship (or in a camp) and turning then attacking the rest of them, the best defense Ive ever read up on was in "Rot & Ruin" by Jonathan Maberry, they put basic slide locks on every door. at night when you go to sleep, or when you are alone in any room you lock the door behind you. then if someone dies or turns over night etc they will be stuck, the next day when they realize you're missing they knock on your door and if youre a zombie you'll try to attack the door. so then they shoot. (often they had sliders on the door so there was a window at face level to open and shoot into)
the reason that they failed is... it was necessary for the plot. In Fear the walking dead we see the Catalina islands, just off shore of SoCal.. this would have been a staging base for local military command: It is an island with a limited population that you can take care of walker outbreaks and hold. Was it in the show? Nope. Just like in Seattle they could have fortified Mercer island. But even if it were not essential to the plot that the military fails.. it would be seriously difficult to nigh impossible for them to hold the line. CDC episode makes it clear that everyone is infected and no matter the means of death you WILL come back.. see the prison flu episode.. from one of the flashbacks to Rick in the hospital Shane sees the army shooting patients.. not in the head mind you, just killing them.. that made things worse now didn't it? Add the number of people that just die of natural causes every day on earth and you have a numbers problem that the US military can not deal with effectively. If they had really thought about on the level of Max Brooks we would have seen things like Catalina being a stronghold where the military bugged out to after cobalt.
oh and about how much food does a carrier carry? No idea about modern day, but this vid of HMS Eagle being replenished at sea in 1966 will give you an idea ua-cam.com/video/OOkxBKmxKfc/v-deo.html. This happens once a week. From the video in one week the crew consumes 12 tons of potatoes, 24,000 eggs, 100 gallons of ice cream, 125 gallons of rum, 4 tons of bread, 7 tons of meat, and 40,000 cans of beer. HMS Eagle had a crew about half the size of a Nimitz class CVN.
ivan boston but what your not understanding about this series is that they are doing the worst possibly scenario. Meaning governments did nothing to prepare thinking it was containable and not needing to warn people both civilians and officials (we see evidence in this from ftwd when madison says that the authorities would tell us and that they were going to contain it). the whole series is set up for the apocalypse to just appear out of nowhere and sniff out humanity. In the book world war z it’s a worst case scenario but humans still win. They governments of the world knew well before the great panic and acted accordingly many countries did what real world countries would do so your right about that but you have to understand that the whole part of the walking dead is that the walker pandemic literally snuck up on the population and ended civilization basically overnight while max brooks using a more real world model didn’t even max brooks is very off from what would actually happen
We saw in TWD and FTWD that enough of the US military infrastructure was still in place to firebomb the major cities of the United States. Atlanta and Los Angeles were shown being firebombed and San Diego was mentioned by refugees off the Pacific coast as being hit. I also believe they showed a burnt out San Diego when our heroes crossed the border back into the US in season 3 of FTWD. The logical choice to launch such an aerial attack on southern California would be the Navy launching strikes from carriers, The aircraft hitting LA are shown attacking from the sea. That means the military seeing wildfire go global and overwhelm local/State Law Enforcement and the National Guard and giving the order for the Navy to put itself to sea. You also have a full Marine Division and several SEAL Teams in the greater San Diego area that could have been airlifted to the Channel Islands. (The SEALs actually use one as a training center) The Los Angeles Sheriff's Department has a station on Catalina and they (along with the LAPD) have some airlift capability and boats to reach the islands. The Coast Guard also could steam out there. Catalina has an airstrip that could handle military transports bringing in what's left of the California National Guard. Point is, there should have been enough military capability to secure the islands and sweep them for walkers while leaving plenty of troops to patrol the beaches for washed up walkers. Those islands would be a perfect staging area and allow the military to set up refugee camps for those folks on the water. The Coast Guard, Navy and Marine/National Guard aircraft could have patrolled the coastal waters for pirates. The rest of the military would have secured ports in San Diego and Long Beach and Los Angeles and dug in behind barbed wire with heavy weapons, tanks,artillery and armored vehicles backed by airpower off Carriers and from the channel islands. If they had enough time to set up the firebombing, they should have had enough time to move food stores from their bases to the islands or even set up a massive perimeter around Camp Pendleton with the sea as an escape route. The base could continue shipping food and supplies out to the islands and be a launching point for operations to retake So Cal.
The Channel Islands have two small military bases on San Clemente and San Nicolas Islands that could be fortified. It's not a great choice because of the possibility of food and water shortages, as well as small medical clinic for medical supplies.
It is mostly gone because this world has horror movie rules. No one looks around,the walkers have teleportation skills, no double tapping on humans so they comeback to bite someone. Everyone is dead like that gated community and the hospital waiting room.
The big thing with the walking dead is that if anyone dies they turn, so if you restore civilization you would have to figure out how to control consistent outbreaks
I think the military is still around but just hasn't been shown in the series. Of course in World War Z navies played a major role. Probably something similar is going on in the Walking Dead universe.
One thing to consider is that when the outbreak first happened it happens rapidly and I am sure every was panic striken. They were not able to react quick enough as things were progressing. Just my take on it.
VSR Clonetroop 5 even the weakest army in the world can defend their country from a zombie apocalypse. I want to say it was lack of information but in fear the military knew what's up. They may of just ran and let the population fall
The comics expand on the military. Once things got bad over half of the military abandon their posts and stole thousands of ships,helicopters, jets, weapons and ammo and those that stayed loyal were streched thin throughout the nation with no reinforcements, no contact, no supplies and got overun
They have automatic weapons,not to mention that all of people understand the “zombie” franchise so I’d say the military at least the Air Force or marines would have a chance
@@GenossePaul well in combat soldiers are most often aiming at the head meaning even sooner or later they'll find out''hey shoot them in the kisser and they go down''
I read about the battle of Yonker in World War Z from Max Brooks. Their weapons were NOT ineffective, they destroy like tens of thousands of zombies. The only reason they lost is because the crowd they tried to stop was HUGE, millions of infected New Yorkers. They slaughtered the horde until their big guns ran out of ammo, there were still millions of zombies, then they were attacked from behind, paniced and it was over. They knew they should aim for the head though.
@Jules Vallez Each person would need less than 2 pallets and an MRE pallet is 50"x40" so it's manageable. A pallet has 576 MREs (12 per case, 48 cases per pallet)
Fifi that's also common knowledge. Just like how Nuke ships today can stay out at sea for 25+years (so long as they restock food) without actually having to worry about ROH. Military info is so well guarded here in the states lol
Danny Sullivan . say 😮 what or you are you joking seriously wow how many times you seen the day after I saw at once that was it I mean it was good but you know I love a good pocalypse but in the song apocalypse show. Likes The Walking Dead was just a movie or talking about how it all got started first place okie dokie
Lol there is like 6 to 8 thousand crew members on a Nimitz class aircraft carrier.. depending on marines and there mission when deployed..lots of fish bro. But would help with rationing food
Assuming you have the rods on hand you could encourage fishing as both a recreational activity and maybe offer bonuses if you collect a certain number of fish to feed others with.
The fleet would need 1 or 2 ships that would serve as giant floating farms to produce food Maybe below deck hydroponics to protect the crops from salt in the air and other issues at sea, like nasty storms, etc...
A. Yes, you could and probably should make some garden ships. B. You guys are forgetting the obvious; fishing ships/boats; lots of the bigger ones have processing facilities onboard. Everybody's gonna be eating a lot of fish.
In one of the Crossed comics, US Navy remnants did just that, but that's a whole different story since Crossed is was different from walkers in TWD, aside from possessing cannibalism
Shaun of the Dead had pretty optimistic view of military response when dealing with slow walking shamblers, if it’s like world war z or 28 days later that would be understandable to be outmatched
@@jamesevenden6559 "Fresh food" = The food that is enjoyable to eat. There's still plenty of shit food in cans and in other packaging methods. It would be realistic to believe that every ship in dock would as fast as news came in, stock up and then later create main flotilla and pool all supplies together.
@@TealJosh No sorry you are incorrect. I am a US Navy veteran and I broke it down in the above post started by Fifi. It might come as a surprise to a civilian but I would dare say that the US Military's, as with any military, weakness comes from our supply chain. Look at history and all of the great battles and wars that have been fought in this world. The supply chain is always one of the first tactical targets hit. You break a military's supply chain and you have essentially broken the military. There are definitely contingencies in place for stuff like this, much of which I am not aware of I am sure, but in an apocalyptic scenario such as this one, no military would be fully prepared to handle it.
Being the military ... and well aware of just what even a platoon of Marines, soldiers, etc can do with just basic loads, I've always had an issue with The Walking Dead and how it seemed to portray society's collapse. Considering they are walkers and thus move at slow pace and then factoring in modern mil equipment like bulldozers, tanks and other armored vehicles; then civilian equipment like the same bulldozers, heavy vehicles; and then that about 40% +/- of US homes report owning firearms ..... Yeah .... any zombie uprising like in the show would not even get off the ground
Something I’ve always wondered is: how would the zombies be able to get into an Abrams, if no one inside was already infected. You could literally just wait them out (until they get bored and leave) or just go full speed (which, if I remember correctly, is around 35-40 mph) and leave them in the dust. The gas turbine engines are much quieter too.
@@kaibeargaming244 Not only that. But w any armored vehicle you can use your coaxial or other external machine guns to engage walkers even on the exterior of other armored vehicles
George all what you said was true but um buddy ealry zombie apocalypse we’re stronger and had different varieties which made them faster smarter and stronger that’s overwhelming but yea they really made the solider look weak and it would literally take about 2/3 years for it to actually fall not 2 days
Bunkers are heavily fortified with steel and concrete. They are completely secured. Missiles aren't going to launch if maintenance isn't done. It takes two AF officers to turn the switch to fire a Nuke. So a walker bumping into a button isn't going to do anything.
@@davidcraft4636 Very interesting. I saw a 60 minutes segment on the personnel in the bunker a long time ago. They had "old style" landline phones and communications equipment. Because of that, I wonder if they'd be the exact kind of people who had the ability to communicate with the outside world?
Nukes would be a stupid choice, however fuel air bombs would be effective in wiping out large masses of walkers from the air. The problem is how many pilots survived and securing the runaway and airfields would become quickly a problem. However the Navy would likely start equipping for the long haul prior to walkers outnumbering the living. Securing an island depot would definitely be the choice to be made.
Most ships carry three to five months of food= to three meals a day for only the crew. If said survivors where on said ship then we are looking at maybe a month of hard rations. (Hard ration= 500-1000 calories per day.) In all likelihood the food would be divided up like this 35-50% of food going to the actual crew and marines that are on board, 25-30% going to engineering core and, the rest for citizens(majority going to citizens who can contribute to the overall function of the ship. Those who refuse to work will be feed leftovers at best)
These ships are equipped with months worth of food. And pirates and over run ships are not an issue at all, an aircraft carrier has a reinforced hull. It could literally ram a cruise ship to sink it. But the logical solution because zombies can’t sail is to just avoid the ship
I guess the rouge zombie boats would be more of a threat if the survivors cleared an island....and one was able to run aground in the night or something....then the Z's get out or wash ashore...Thanks for watching!
They shouldnt sink it because then the zombies will just float in the water and be harder to find they'll need to board and make sure all are dead and they can't just avoid it since the ship could end up anywhere and spark an outbreak but ultimately it would be the ship captains word on how they do ti
The amphib fleet is, by design, capable of loading a great deal of stores of every kind. They can bed and water hundreds of passengers for extended periods. Along with auxiliary ships, they could support a large number of people while at anchorage or slow steaming, thus conserving fuel to reduce the need to put into a refueling depot. They all can carry helicopters and some have maintenance facilities to maintain them. The ships with well decks can bring the boats needed to ferry landing parties ashore to get the supplies needed and return safely. Done right, they could last several years just sticking to the coast or make for islands that they'd have a chance of clearing and make safe.
2 years ago, US Military purchased over 2 Billion (with a B!) 5.56/223 rounds of Ammunition for M4/M16 variants, nearly 1Billion rounds of 9mm, almost 500,000 of 45. (Which is used by MP and some die hards still) near 1/2 billion .308 and 7.62 ammo...apparently while sometimes interchangeable its better for still used Marine Snipers’ M-14 but other weapons use the NATO 7.62, 20!million 50 cal for the still ticking Browning M2-HB! This doesn’t include 20mm &40mm, for rapid firing guns on Bradleys AFV 105, and 155 howitzers, or for our MBT 120mm (all these come in various versions like AP Sabots or HE etc. We haven’t touched the Navy’s needs, or the Air Force’s missiles, bombs etc. Supposedly we keep a current stockpile at all times (hopefully) of at least double these orders! Let alone the millions upon millions of private citizen ammunition or Police, Coast Guard so on! The idea of this country running out of Ammo especially for the military is fairly ludicrous, Hell or even private ownership stocks might run out (if no one reloads or actually makes more!) in a decade or so I guess? Because for all these cartridges, Propellant is stocked, brass , steel, lead in insane quantities! Which is quite likely what we would see by the Copter Folks are doing, snd making explosives is basic HS chemistry ! No, certain bases might fall, scout groups etc., maybe a few ships, but most would hold out quite well! It doesn’t take a genius to realize only Head Shots work, especially Senior NonComs, or anyone who has watched Zombie movies who guess and try! Dense Big Cities, they are in trouble, but most bases no problem!
First point in FtWD is it's extremely doubtful you could get a ballistic missile such as a Trident 2 to hit targets closer than say less than 1000 miles from their launch site, these are 3 stage Rockets designed to go out of the atmosphere at near 20,000 mph and "fall back to earth" dropping 14 Nuclear warheads (8 if the near 500 kiloton warhead) to hit targets 7000-8000 miles away! You could not reprogram a Trident 2 to work shorter ranges...plus the supposed 10 warheads could destroy a 5-6 mile diameter area... the radiation would be a serious problem in a zone of say 20-30 miles... which is certainly not going to destroy "the world" ! The whole concept is silly but yes, Teddy and his true believers are bonkers as Hell, but look at the partial nuke meltdownat the Nuclear Power site Grace was at... at the most you would get 10 more areas like that around 2000-5000 miles around the country! It would suck but it just might draw millions of walkers to the noise and fires, possibly virtually clearing areas walkers, especially hordes... So Teddy might actually help save parts of this country. Earlier there was the question about why no armor? It appears the NRC has sophisticated body armors(seems to be as full coverage as Star Wars Imperial Troops)...so they seem to have sophisticated 3D printing resources it seems? Finally our Nuclear Carriers have Battle Groups with oilers and supply ships to go for possibly 6 months, and they could go to secure locked down Supply Based such as Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, Multiple Bases in the Pacific going from Pearl Harbor to bases in the Philippines, Okinawa and dozens more...the carrie probably has at least 1 Assault Carrier within reach with 1800 or so Marines who could certainly clear out any Walker Packed Base long enough to restock...until the Naval units converge and clear an Area or Island to begin rebuilding, possibly thats how the NRC came about? I will shut up for now😎
You people realise that a simple 50. cal hmg is capable of SHREDDING zombies in half. And tanks are prepared for boarding attempt and if fully functional humans can't get into a locked tank without tools, then zombies won't be able to either. The tank could simply keep going forward and it would take down a whole horde with no problem, cause zombies are not enough to support the weight of a tank and would end up crushed to thier death.
Navy and Coast Guard would rescue their families and VITAL civilians first and not Senators but more Research Medical Experts and they could use oil wells and island points to process fuel. And fishing should work and many islands have no major human presence so again grow food. Just get creative. And machinists and other civilians could be put to work to fabricate parts.
When a government no longer exists/ is overrun, said officils are no longer necessary(politicians, senators, givernors,etc.) The actually essential people are those with skill sets that can be used to build, repair, etc. Maybe a few high up government officials would be rescued but they're just figure heads.
Wikket Gaming they don’t. The idea of zombies being real is retarded. If a zombie apocalypse did actually happen the corpse would break down in a few years.
@@bingchillin3628 i know, i know. but it was something, kinda for fun or test run, i cant really remember why, but they have a procedure for a z apocalypse
This was a great video, i never thought about what happened to the Navy. It's possible they could have taken over an island somewhere like Hawaii or maybe the Caribbean islands just so they could have an environment to farm and who knows maybe Rick is over seas that would explain why he never came back. I'm a big supporter of your channel and I can't wait for the series you have coming up, I'm sure it's going to be awesome.
@Don Frenzel True you make make some good points. I just figured that the Navy could have been stationed at one of the ports in D.C. and maybe taken him to one of the ships there. I don't think the helicopter group is around that often they only seem to visit from time to time or atleaest that's the impression I got.
I always thought that places like Hawaii would be easy to take over condidering the limited amount of people living in them, if you secure islands like Hawaii or the small islands from the Caribbean it would be easy to avoid another outbreak
US Navy man here. A Nimitz Class Aircraft carrier is typically stocked with about 45 Days worth of supplies at minimum at all time. USNS Auxillary Ships bring supplies to our ships via Replenishment At Sea (RAS) which is basically where we connect a big ass wire to each ship and we transfer our cargo to and from. We'll have 2 stations manned at a time, plus a Helo going to help get some of our supplies on board faster. Hope that gives some insight to how the US Navy works out at sea!
Awesome insight! Thanks! - So they attach the cargo somehow to the wire for transfer to the other ship? I have watched a video of them doing this with a hose (?fuel) but not cargo.
@@TWDExplained Yeah. It’s a 10-30 minute process where basically we shoot line over to the Aux Ship, they tie off their lines, and we pull it over to our ship by hand, then by winch. Once we get all necessary lines in hand, we connect the large wire (The Span Wire) to our Sliding Padeye (basically a device with a hook that moves up and down so the cargo can slide down the line. Think a Zip Line.) That’s basically all there is to getting connected. After that, it’s as simple as getting cargo secured to the actual hook device (I can’t remember the name, but if you see anything on a RAS, it’s that Yellow thing). Fuel is the one you’ve seen with the Hoses. Nimitz Class Carriers can take on about 1.5 Million Gallons of Jet Fuel or more. I think the most we’ve taken in a single day was 3.4 Million Gallons of JP-5 Another interesting fact is that Nimitz Class Carriers used to be able to SEND fuel like Auxiliary Ships, but currently, only CVN-76 has its SENDING Fuel station active. So if a Smaller ship needs fuel while at Sea, we can hook up and refuel them!
I've always wondered why they wouldn't go north for the winter months. The zombies would freeze solid. You can use a wood stove for warmth and melt snow for water.
FYI, mate.. You don't melt snow, you get nothing for your effort, and what you do get, largely evaporates, by the time you've boiled it well for health reasons.. You melt ICE, which is a far more solid block of water, and provides far more liquid, (and for your troubles & resources in lighting a fire to melt it down), as well as end-result-amount of clean, useable (drinking/cooking/cleaning quality) water obtained goes. Snow is not ice..you would need to boil at least 5 times the amount of snow, or more..to ice, to get a similar result. Now you know.
@@brodywankenobi66 Yeah, sorry mate.. A bit late indeed, but someone just responded to me, from one of my own comments, from that same post a year ago, too.. So, i figured..while I'm back there, I might as well share a little of my old military training & long ago learned wisdom with others.. Who may..(one day soon) in this post-Covid 19, second coming US civil war, (or war with China first), era world..folks might just need such little tidbits of helpful survival trivia.. sooner than later.. After all.. "It's far too late to learn new skills & knowledge..in the middle of a gunfight that will decide your life, or the end of it.." Clint Smith, Thunder Ranch. Cheers mate! Have a great day, and warm, fair winds..all the way from Australia.
Nuclear powered ships can run longer, but not all ships are nuclear powered, the vast majority are still diesel powered. And even in the case of the aircraft carrier all the planes on it and all the smaller launch vessels all run on liquid fuels, which will eventually run out. Food and medicine will be an issue, but so will berthing, most ships are usually deployed with full crew compliments, so there's very little room to take on any additional survivors. Ships like submarines only have enough sleeping space for 2/3rd of the crew or less, since one third of the crew will be on duty at any given time. Securing islands would be the best strategy I think. As for pulling into port, that is easier that you might think, just pull up and make a lot of noise, the walkers will be attracted and will walk into the water, once the piers and other docking locations are clear you can send in ground troop to inland.
20 year Navy Veteran here including 15 years flying P-3s and 5 years as a SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) Instructor. Supplies will be the huge issue, as all supplies ultimately come from the land. And not just food, but fuel for missions, spare parts for planes and the ship itself. Next is the fact that people die for any number of reasons. If a carrier is running 12 on and 12 off as opposed to 8 hour shifts, If a sailor dies during their off hours and comes back, how many shipmates do you think he/she could infect in say 8 hours within the cramped quarters of a berthing compartment? You could potentially have enough undead roaming the ship to make it useless. Also, it's not like a navy ship has enough small arms and ammo on board to arm everyone. It is usually enough arms to arms the Marine contingent onboard.
Maybe that’s what all the helicopters that we see flying around. Picking up families of sailors? The military knew about the outbreak. So I’m sure the navy knew about procedures and what to do. So more than likely they are alive. The president, if alive, is probably on a air craft carrier. One question I’d love answered is! Would the military (navy, marines) be able to retake military bases so ships and planes can refuel? I wish the walking dead would show us the perspective from the military. I think that’s way more interesting than what they’re doing now.
I bet the president is alive. The Secret Service are probably the best bodyguards in the world. At the first sign of trouble, the president would be rushed to a bunker with enough supplies to last a while and strong enough to withstand a nuke. I bet the president is in the Cheyenne Mountain Complex in the Rockies in Colorado. Google that place. It is the best place to be during any apocalypse.
If a fleet is on deployment or a battle group, there would be USNS ship out as well to supply them during deployments with UNREP's and Vertreps. Word would have traveled fast through the different fleet commands and ships at sea would stay at sea and look for locations that would offer the least amount of threats. Any USNS ships at sea would more than likely link up with any groups underway and help to provide supplies for those groups. Isolated islands, they would anchor out and send probably their VBSS teams ashore to identify local threats and to recon areas of opportunity. At that point, if their is an island that is manageable, they would take control and establish a defensive perimeter to deter unknown aircraft from penetrating the air space. A guided missile cruiser or destroyer would carry a host of weapons from SM-2 missiles to their MK45 gun mounts and 30mm CIWS, they are also armed with Harpoon missiles and SH-60 Helicopters. Carriers would also be very good to have at sea since they could control an airspace for many months while at sea. It could be easier then you might think to establish a clear zone somewhere in the Pacific. Many islands from the south pacific to the Aleutian Islands. Another thing regarding the Navy, it would still hoist the Stars and Stripes, we have an oath and we will defend it no matter what!!
Good answer. A comment like yours is what I’ve been looking for. A well-educated, well-informed, logical comment from somebody with real knowledge of this topic.
I think the navy and the remnants of the ground based forces retreated to the islands and set up shop while maintaining contact with the remaining government who has holed up in bunkers and on islands. They are communicating on frequencies not accessible by people like Rick's group. I also think there is a mass safe zone in either the great plains or the rockies that is heavily fortified and maintained by the military. This is teased by the random helicopters that pop up occasionally. The military has regrouped and begun retraining to make only headshots in preparation for the grand finale of retaking the mainland. The producer's of TWD have made it clear that the show will have a happy ending and I think it will play out differently than the comic.
I wonder what happened to the bodies of people who died on mountains like Mt. Everest? There are long dead frozen bodies that are unburied along with people who might have been climbing right before TSHTF. Along with the Sherpas who live there.
The long, dead frozen one's would stay dead since they died before the reanimation virus took hold. The one's that just died would probably be frozen in place and stay that way until a thaw.
@@bentstrider there is usually a thaw in late spring in the 8k meter mountains. But summer brings a ton of snow. With less human activity, it might help the planet cool. But there are nuclear power stations that would melt down. So I don't know.
@@aceofspadesguy4913 bloody hell, just saw this! What is Dead Snow? There is a Norwegian N@zi Zombie movie but I can't remember the name. Still looking for the original (Norwegian) Night Watch.
Not just food but repair parts. Yeah the reactor doesn't have to be refueled for a long time but parts break and ships that large are maintenance intensive. Same for the aircraft. Figure a dozen or dozens of man hours for each flight hour and that's if you even have the parts to fix them. It wouldn't take long before you were using bubblegum and bailing wire to hold things together.
Jonathan Lee they don’t keep fishing supplies on the boat besides strings and hooks on the lifeboats etc and yes the water is unlimited as long as the ship has a filter on board
But how would they refuel they would need to go to land for more fuel or not they would just be drifting in the ocean until eventually they crash onto some random piece of land since they wouldn't be able to control the ship since there is no fuel
@@DG-oc7ks didn't you watch the video? There are ships that uses nuclear as a power meaning they can stay on the water for a good 20-50 years. Only problem is, is they would have to repair the ship and make sure things don't break
This scenario you are discussing is exactly what John Ringo wrote about in his "Black Tide Rising" series. It's about a zombie apocalypse, but more in the vein of "23 Days Later" zombies than Walking Dead, as the "zombies" aren't risen dead, but rabid humans. Remnants of the US Navy and Marines, along with civilians who join them survive by salvaging ships and scrounging on small islands in the Atlantic, before attempting to retake a foothold on the US mainland.
The picture you showed at 2:42 is not a nuclear carrier vessel, CVN. That’s an amphibious assault vessel, WASP Class. A CVN would be a Nimitz or a Ford.
Problem with the 100 though that most of those reactors would of melted down within weeks if not days of the nuclear war since no power would be getting to it to support the cooling systems and no people around to do any sort of fixing. Plus some would of been outright destroyed with the bombs themselves... OH and one reactor melting down would NOT of scorched the entire Earth lol..
Suspended belief.....it's the foundation of all these shows! I think that's one reason I like Game of Thrones so much....there is no realism about it and I can sink wholeheartedly into the suspended belief of it all.....without thinking to myself...What about the nuclear reactors?? haha Thanks for watching!
Actually it was more than one reactor that caused the whole world to scorched the entire planet. Warning Spoilers ahead In the plot it was said that the reactors can only prevent mass meltdown for 100 to 150 years after the nuclear war ends before massive meltdowns could explode. In the story after they realized a larger problem is coming for them they try to build shelter that can resist insane radiation but instead they were forced to find a very old bunker that can resist and protect everyone from a massive radiation storm meltdown that almost wiped out all of life on the planet except a small region that there is life left.
This show is just all built on suspended belief, it's funny and ironic to think in a situation like this the President/ High ranking officials would be surrounded by the best national security experts that are hand-picked and are most likely prior special forces in all different branches, yet somehow fall and die. But Glenn the Pizza boy with zero training survives and can make head shots look like cake work from hundreds of yards out, in some cases one handed with a pistol lol. In fact like almost 100% of the cast make impossibly difficult shots on the regular it's insane. In the walking dead world all forms of explosive devices to include artillery, rocket launchers, hand grenades, claymores and or landmines most not exist because that alone would lay waste to walking corpses that you could brisk walk away from.... No matter which way you slice it there's no way for the infection to spread at a rate the military couldn't control it. The story they gave us was a poor excuse and half-assed. It's really easy to create an actual plausible scenario, that being a super virus that knocks out 60 to 70% of the population at once, it would create the bodies and actual mass hysteria needed for an event like this to be possible. Instead, we are given a half-ass excuse in "fear the walking dead" where it doesn't even actually show and plausibly explain the outbreak, it literally hings on behind the scenes events and literally making the military out to be pretty much incompetent and evil in order to work lol.
Why are you so upset with twd? It’s a tv show. Everyone’s infected so if one person dies while sleeping then they can reanimate and kill. That’s how any military or civilization can lose. As human numbers shrink the zombies numbers grow. Many scenarios could play out. But we’ll never know what would really happen because it’s all hypothetical. How cool would a zombie outbreak be tho?
A nuclear sub or destroyer can sustain it crew from 6 to 60 months. A ballistic sub from 3 to 18 and combat sub about 3 to 6 months. I would say the navy would be fine
Wendall Rollins and water, they run out of purification tablets. get sick by sea water, running out of medicine, then they die, then we have zombies. zombies bite, another one, and it spreads
7:38 You were completely right lmao. In season 10 Michonne finds a phone on a navy looking boat that washed up and it has her and Judith etched into it proving that rick has survived and was on a boat for that 6 years.
@@capncook2006 When Jadis captured Rick back in the junkyard she took his boots and wore them .She liked them. Jadis was the artist. Rick is a prisoner and cannot freely roam. Jadis can roam so she spied on Michonne and Judith - drawing them - all the while having Rick's boots. - - The question is, what happened to Jadis?
@@capncook2006 Hey that's cool. We probably will not find out about Jadis until the Michonne story. (She should have a short series or 1hr special kind of thing that bridges the show and the movie for her)
A US Navy FFG is supposed to carry 45 days worth of food. It CAN carry more but that is the loadout. A carrier goes for about 70 days of food. the other ships will be in between. We have a very small amount of Nuke ships. Most ships need DFM or Diesel Fuel Marine and Gas for the electric generators.
As for parts breaking down on a nuclear powered ship, what I learned from being around submariners, is that the nuclear personnel onboard are not allowed to do repairs on the equipment that has to do anything with nuclear power. So that will be a factor in terms of a sailor's proficiency in repairing that equipment in this scenario. Here is a example, I served in the Navy for 20 years as a conventional electrician (Electrician Mate) and I was amazed to find out after having a conversation with a nuclear counter part (Nuclear Electrician Mate) that they don't even do basic trouble shooting/repairs Motor controllers when they break down. This was evident when my counter part was unfamiliar with basic troubleshooting techniques and circuit analysis. Its not his fault though, the policy has set him up to fail.
I think a lot of how they failed are, suicides, people trying to get to their families, people turning on each other, people killing people mistakenly when they aren’t infected, etc. just my theory
There would certainly be a fair bit of that kind of thing happening in any WROL scenario.. Especially a fully post-apoc one! But that wouldn't be nearly as prevalent in military families or personel, a few perhaps, but not in big numbers.. That kind of purile & panic behaviour is far more a 'civilian' trait & concern, than a dedicated & disciplined, military mindset. Sure, we too would get damn scared & worry for our friends & family as well..but not to the point of getting 'stupid' about it..or genuinely believing such antics would actually help, more than hinder & harm. Maybe under long-term, extreme duress, a few might crack..if their usual, personal self-restraint & discipline isn't up to their usual standards. But not many. The city streets & neighbourhoods, on the other hand..would soon become an absolute mad house. Just WROL alone would be enough for widespread looting & theft, oportunistic crimes, from petty vandalism & fueds, to rape & murder..and a whole lot more besides. And that all happens without Zombies & Viral epidemics.. Just 1 Earthquake or Hurricane can do it..anywhere in the world.
The army and survivors are making it worse theirs walkers every where just killing each other I don’t why they can’t come together and fight the walkers
It could take just 1 infected person getting on a ship to possibly take out the whole crew. With walkers, shit goes from 0 to 100 real fast. If for whatever reason the infected person wasn't found and dealt with immediately, things could get out of control in a heartbeat.
What is often forgotten is that there is a seed vault, the Svalbard Global Seed Vault, on the Spitsbergen archipelago near the North Pole. For years, all important seed plants and their seeds, as well as other seeds such as trees, shrubs, etc., have been stored there in case of a global catastrophe. Together with greenhouses, food production could be established in remote, isolated areas of the world. If the world's navies were still partially capable of action. (They have guns, missiles, planes, helicopters and all that) then that might be an option. This would be a unique military operation, the soldiers flying out to get equipment for greenhouses or whatever, e.g. daylight lamps and drilling equipment, to dig tunnels to grow the food underground. Although the Walking Dead scenario is quite questionable. That's what this seed bunker is for. There may already be equipment there for planting and harvesting. That's how you could proceed, okay this seed bunker is of course real and it's really for a real global disaster. But I assume that it also exists in the film world of Walking Dead. An important argument here is that only a functioning navy, especially that of the USA, could carry out such a supply mission.
The group went to DC in S10 and retrieved some seeds from ?? Smithsonian I think - a teacher in the group had taken her class there one time and they learned about it
It's important to note that while nuclear powered vessels can go 20 or so years without refueling, the refueling process is EXTENSIVE, can take over a year, and essentially REQUIRES drydocking the ship for the duration of the work. And in an apocalypse the manpower and knowledge of how to do the work will be very limited, so it could take much longer. This only matters of course if they are able to figure out how to supply food for themselves for over 20 years to get to that point.
I honestly really enjoy your videos! They are always so helpful and entertaining. I especially love the videos that include the military. Please keep up the outstanding work man!
Nimitz class about 90 days without resupply under normal portions BUT I had a buddy who was on a carrier back in 2017 and they went 117 without resupply without really noticing because they knew ahead, during the initial outbreak yes I would say around 90 days like normal, BUT later on in the series im sure they would be on half rationing and prioritize more food stowage by cutting open sections of bulkheads into "void" or "inaccessible" spaces (normally all that are in those is some structural support nothing major that can leak or anything)....so id say they could probably stock up on around 180-250 days if they open up a few voids (voids aren't that large though and the carrier would have to support the small boys ie destroyers) but there are supply ships (not many mind you) but that could raise the bar a bit
@@TWDExplained on a boat your surrounded by EDIBLE fish so you don't have to go the store for food . You can collect rain water to drink and take a bath . Your only reason for going to shore would be for medicine & luxury items ,which you could learn to produce on the ship . Anchor the ship in the ocean and only move it to avoid hurricanes / storms to minimize wear & tear on the ship . Make one trip to the shore in order to Bring some soil & seeds on board to plant crops & fruit trees especially orange trees on the ship . Maybe bring some cattle / goats on board for milk for babies , but not necessarily sense they would be luxury food items . As long as the ship didn't sink it would be like a movable island . Learn how to produce needed medical equipment and medicine on the ship .
There are not that many fish in the open ocean. Besides you have to have large nets to catch them. Can't drag a net behind a Carrier or even with the smaller boats they have. Catching fish is harder than you might think. Food takes months to grow even if you have seed. They would starve by then. Unless they started eating their dead. Eatting fellow sailors is a low moral issue.
Cure to the outbreak. Every citizen gets a modified pacemaker installed. It monitors your heart rhythm and if the heart stops for longer than 30 seconds, at triggers a small explosive charge that's implanted at the base of the skull that will destroy the brain.
Big problem is getting food supplies for the ghost fleet . There won't be much left after a war and whatever is left will be more valuable than gold and heavily guarded. Maybe they will have to go fishing for their supper but a diet of seafood will get monotonous.
IM SURE THE NAVY COULD FIX THE FOOD THING EASY BY JURY RIGGING SOME AQUAPONICS SYSTEM. AND FIX SPACE PROBLEM WITH ONE OF AMERICA'S THOUSANDS OF ISLAND BASES. id try to take New-Zealand island large mountain forest.
In the walking dead universe, the US Navy is part of the CRM. They control numerous naval bases and islands, Guam, Diego Garcia, San Miguel island, Hawaii, etc.
The book series Arisen did a really good job of covering this. The reason the military fell was not due to the military over extended and fell apart, instead the us military has a hard time leaving casualties behind, also the JFK survived, as well as the battle group, they pushed the useless planes off the deck into the sea and turned the hangers into crops, and livestock,
"There's the fact that you'll have pirates" oh okay, so are you implying that the Navy is stupid enough to let a small vessel too close to their fleet to let the pirates get aboard?
The military probably split up...going to their families...it's not like their families were safe and the military was at war...war was everywhere in the form of walkers
Even if the officers are dead, the NCOs could run the whole damn military. Especially the marine corps. NCOs are the backbone of any successful military.
Electricity. Electricity would be out in a week or so. people maintaining these systems would abandon their post and systems would fail in a few weeks. I work around cell phone equipment and the amount of people need to keep it going is vast. I give it 2 weeks and it would be down.
@@JaM-R2TR4 Trust me everything needs maintenance. Satellites don't work in a isolation. Their are ground crews that keep them working by constantly upgrading their software and teaking them.
@eddie money Military satellites would work.. they are built to work in WW3 scenario, where normal command and control centers might be destroyed, so some zombie apocalypse would have no impact on them.
@@johnd4348 military satellites dont require that much maintenance.. they will lose the orbit eventually, but it would take years before they get into critical situation. again, they are designed to work in nuclear war, some lack of monitoring wont do much to them...
It all depends on the type of outbreak. I believe that in the Walking Dead, initially most people got sick and turned. Those left were only those people that had an immunity to the initial contagion. Because of those, in this scenario, being trapped on a ship all together, chances are that there wont be more than a couple people that don't initially turn given the 1 in 5K number I've seen floated. Even on a carrier, if you had 20-30 that don't turn initially, odds are that they would be overwhelmed by walkers as it would take some time for them to find each other and do any clearing. This is why in this situation, the further out and more isolated you are, the better your chances of making it past that initial confusion period. Also depends on the incubation period. If it's less than a few weeks, that would bode well for the Navy if they have been isolated from the mainland outbreak location.
I enjoyed watching his video, and it gave me a few ideas. The U.S. Navy and navies in general may well already be near cities or the mainland during the outbreak helping the government keep order. Whether they follow orders, go rogue or whatever, due to fuel issues, the best place to station your boat would be next to or in a city, since to avoid zombies you can just pull up the gangplank. Crews can be sent on land to forage for supplies and maybe even set up semi-permanent bases, from where they could probably recruit survivors. If so, maybe the boat would be a navy personnel only safe zone which is used as a centre of operations to re-establish control. Hawaii is too big to be cleared by the Navy alone so I think that smaller islands around the world, which are near the mainland for access to foraging would be ideal. If the whole world was going to pot, I am sure that there would be some islands that would be taken over by naval and military elements from around the world and used as a base or just a safe haven. Oil rigs would be one way of keeping a fresh and steady supply of oil for planes and boats without nuclear fuel, so these would be guarded and fought over. Spare parts would be a problem so any military warehouses would also be a likely place to find survivors centred around a military core calling the shots. This would be naval bases or otherwise.
As a US Navy veteran, I'm going to presume that you have never served in the military. There are multiple island bases located throughout the world, including Hawaii and Guam. Regardless of branch, military personnel are trained to understand their equipment to a point where they are able to service it and otherwise repair it if something goes wrongs, providing they have the resources available to attempt repairs. I remember an emergency breakaway in which my ship lost an underway replenishment station. Repair division spent all night rebuilding that station with what we had available. That makeshift station worked and we completed our deployment. All that is to say as long as resources can be procured, the military should be able to function. Food, medicine, and materials are all limited resources, however, and even island bases can only last so long, even if it were possible to raise plants and animals to help provide food. Truthfully, all zombie scenario writers love to make the military look incompetent, so that a group of poorly trained and unprepared halfwits can become heroes. I would suggest doing some real research and consult with actual active duty military from all branches (there must be a recruiting office near you) and see what they have to say about zombie scenarios and how the military would function, you might be surprised.
First off: Thank you for your service.
Second: I agree. If the US main was lost to a Zombie take over, the Military wouldn't just disappear from the face of the earth. But from a average civilians point of view, the Military would just disappear. I guess in The Walking Dead, the Navy, and what remains of the US Army, and Air Force. Are planning on returning to the Main land.
Third: I never read the book, or watched the show. But I am sure at some point, the Military will return. (If the book's writer, or the Show's writers have half the knowledge you displayed here.)
This is just a theory, calm down. Also that you for your service.
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@@portugaltime1540 Well, better dead then Red.
Timo p yeah, you have to be around 9 no doubt
They're in Hawaii, discussing plans to take back everything east of the Rockies. It's called the Honolulu Conference.
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@olemissfan91 I love that book
@olemissfan91 world war Z is different even more dangerous
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@@trevinbehrens7230 and it's sad that WWZ was worst than this and the military still managed to do better and survive?
I wish TWD would show the world and other areas .
Yeah, like the Brazilian Amazon, the Sahara, China, Japan, Australia, England, Siberia, even Canada and Alaska. I'd love see how they'd deal with the walkers in the snow.
@@yisuscraist3680 Australia would become a super power in the walking dead universe in the post apocalypse. We know that the zombies are susceptible to rot from high temperatures and well, australian temperatures melt cars. The zombies literally would not live long enough to be a large enough threat once the government came to their senses.
that would probably cost alot of money
@@yisuscraist3680 heck yea. And if the regular people can rebuild and survive so long the government has to have a safe zone heavy guarded and in the masses with top leaders .
Well i heard the director for season 1 (frank) wanted s1 of walking dead to end with rick n the gang leaving after the building blowing up and seasons after that would be about different people/groups (hell would be dope to see how negan came to be if he was ever brought up in early TWD) surviving in different locations n such but u know, money
The military would never fail in a zombie apocalypse. It would just be a bit hard for them to contain the situation everywhere when litterally everybody on the planet can become a zombie
yep - that's a kink
I have to disagree, considering in this world, zombies are not such a part of the culture like it is in RL. So not knowing what's happening, people getting sick, old people dying, and turning. Think of how many deaths occur each hour in the world. Its like a pandemic, once it happens, its going to overwhelm society every where....
@@TeflonRhino true however it’d be pretty easy to research them. Specially since there slow and dumb. Doesn’t make sense but we’re all entitled to our opinion and I respect yours.
Obiden's cabinet and military leaders are woke liberals. The military is doomed.
@@TeflonRhino no I don’t think so cutler in the military is very different .... twd story makes it seem as if all military forces would disintegrate in weeks .. in fighting mutinies etc no central command ? As soon as it started the joint chiefs would be in bunkers
I have a feeling the walking dead would end like The Mist where at the end the Military shows up with Framethrowers burning all the Zombies.
OR maybe nuke
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I was in the miltary. My personal opinion. The miltary would lay waste to all of America. The miltary wouldn't save anybody.
That’s how night of the living dead (it’s main inspiration) ends
Nah it ends with a now grown up Carl telling his story to his child and a teenage girl being the leader of a bunch of teenagers
If anything the navy would have immediately taken the Hawaiian islands and started farming for food and start taking back usa
you have no idea how much this reminds me of when the Republic of China fell back to the island of Taiwan during the Chinese civil war lamo
Yeah....
Then make a vaccine so you can be immune and you can die peacefully and the people that’s killing each other are just making it worse
Hawaiian islands do not have enough farmland to feed island residents and tourists, let alone the military and USA. Cost of living in Hawaiinis high because every consumer product and virtually all food must be shipped from the mainland.
Also, thier other over seas territories, that includes Guam, Okinowa, bascially any island in the pacific.
“At least one aircraft carrier”
Dude there’s 21 supercarriers in the world and the US has 19 of them.
Yeah. I know that and I’m 12.
@@501ststormtrooper9 Dude that comment was a year ago
@@ungabunga3183 okay Ahmed
@@maxheadroom224 what us going on lol
The US has 12 carriers (10 Nimitz and 2 Ford class) currently active and 7 (Ford Class) still in production. The UK has one, Russia has one, China has two and maybe some other countries, which I am not aware of might have one.
Too bad we never got to see Frank Durabont's Season 2 opener that dealt with the military & the "Walker Tank Guy".
Thanks for watching!
Such a great storyteller I think the walking dead would have been a lot better with him at the helm his first season with the dead using things to break in and climbing obstacles would have made it more interesting then it became after he went.
@@TWDExplained You're welcome and thanks for the reply!!
@@AndrewAustinFrustrated I agree. Unfortunately its one of those "what ifs". Sadly so many great TWD story lines are now just that... "what ifs".
Yea cause he would of had all the answers. Foh there's nothing he could have showed us that FTWD didn't show.
The problem with anything having to do with TWD and the military is that it’s not just walker bites. Anyone who dies turns. That’s a lot more overwhelming.
If someone dies throw them off 🤷♂️
ive been thinking about this problem and i think i found a solution... if military somehow realize that u turn when die, they could put some microchip into your brain that detect death and the microchip explodes destroy brain and yeah . now u have function army ...
@@vansaxd265 or just shoot the deceased in the head
@@vansaxd265 if you look at Fear the Walking Dead, military there knew, in that camp/hospital they had they were using that gas pistol or how is it called to destroy brain on the person who died, but they got overrun from the outside, that won't happen on the ship.
@@vansaxd265 that’s what I was thinking if twd manages to go into the future and if there’s no cure then they use the microchip
If there is any Government left it's probably underground let's not forget that lot's of underground bunkers were constructed during the cold war
Yep there’s raven rock, Cheyenne mountain complex, White springs congressional bunker and even more
One thing for certain. in season 3 when the Governor killed the soldiers. That was definately not realistic. In true life they wouldve at least put up a fight.
You are correct mate..its a very bad joke!
I can assure you that they would've never even gotten CLOSE enough to REAL soldiers to do that, much less without being spotted, and as armed unknowns, they would've been treated as highly-likely-hostile anyway..and held at gunpoint, ready to be dropped at the first sign of refusing to even halt & ID, much less disarm..and no dumb backwoods hillbilly attempt at 'friendliness' would've saved them either, because..
ANY attempt to encircle, or surround, is always a hostile act..ALWAYS!
If you think civ police are trained to own & take charge of a situation, then don't even get me started on how much you don't know about what soldiers are trained to do..
Especially when they are tasked with clearing out & securing specific objectives or holding ground.
Soldiers excell at living rough, having high standards of discipline & fieldcraft, camouflage & hunting down enemy & sign, finding threats FIRST, and dealing with them DIRECTLY..they are not cops, dont waste time on prisoners, (except perhaps in the very short term for op-intel, but there are sure as hell no lawers or american 'miranda rights' there! ) No..
That entire scene was just an absurd fantasy..even a civ cop, in peacetime, isn't that dumb or unobservant..and would be demanding they be disarmed before allowing them close to chat..and even they would still be highly suspicious..
If you believe that real soldiers then, in a wartime/martial law/disaster setting woundn't be always extremely suspicious, and even far more likely to use instant lethal force, and trained ready, willing & able to do exactly that..( or even just out of heightened personal survival instincts!) I'm an ex Australian army infantry guy..and if this silly scenario ever happened to anyone trained here..they'd get zero sympathy from me..they damn well deserved to die!
Any serious soldier, from any country, knows this:
"Death is nature's way of telling you, in no uncertain terms, that your fieldcraft sucks.."
(or that the other guy's, even if only on that day, at that moment..was still just a fine, knife's edge, of either skill or luck, better than yours was..
So..
Semper Vigilans, Semper Paratus, Semper Fidelis..
Enough said..
Bj Lewis yeah! Tell ‘em. Something I find frustrating in general is how the military is portrayed in the media. They are not incompetent. Especially modern Western militaries like the US or Australia.
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You are not alone there mate!
@Eva Adamska
Emphasis on the "ex"
One of many silly things i did as a much younger man..old news now.
Why do you ask?
@Eva Adamska
No, I'm actually quite typical of an Aussie soldier..always been a fairly quiet & humble man..you picked up on that well, especially from just a few words, of a man you've never met..
"Every time you speak..you put your mind on parade"
We Aussies are mostly "quiet professionals" and we don't serve for "public glory"
We are well known for a bit of larrikin-ism, and jesting..but when it comes to soldiering, we are in the worlds top most tiers..and we quietly train many of the worlds military units, Doctors, Nurses etc.
It was purely for purposes of providing my credibility, in my comment's explanation & opinion, that i even mentioned my prior service..
And i most certainly would NOT have, had i still been in the service, lest it attract unwanted attention to me or my family..or jeopardise any aspect of security or non-disclosure requirements.
I stay well away from those who like to crow too loudly, especially in public, about their service.
I just wanted to inject a little minor "reality check" into a comments section..something i enjoy doing on occasions..my own service did not involve any operational deployments, and i have no great personal exploits or triumphs to laud, even if it wouldn't clash with some security classification to discuss them.
There are right times & places for soldiers wanting recognition of their efforts, among others who also know & understand..
But the internet will never be one of them.
The Stolen Valour aspect is also a rising concern..It has always been there, but is far more prevalent now.
But in truth, any recruit at 1RTB, Kapooka (thats our Army's boot camp here, IET for infantry is at Singleton) would know, and be able to recognise that the silliness of the scenes, that i commented on, in "the walking dead" are the sort of stupidity that only someone who has absolutely no idea, of even the most basics of soldiering, would actually believe..
It makes military people seem highly incompetent, just to add another days episode onto a soap opera on TV.
And, when i said it was a silly thing, i meant it amicably, i was proud to serve..
I got to stand on the shoulders of giants, for a time..it is those that came before us, that gave their all, who deserve all the public recognition..thats what they get honoured for.
The whole ANZAC tradition is based entirely around a very deep.. "lest we forget" mindset.
Not some twisted "worship us more" mentality..that is the domain of politicians..not a healthy or humble attitude to have in anyone, anywhere..it is a far more common trait in "wanna-be" or failed military or police types attitudes..than any real Soldier, Sailor, or Airman would likely possess..we know, without brash words or false bravado, why we serve.
It sounds to me as though your thoughts on vets, have been formed by only ever hearing from the hoards of far too loud "couch commandos" and other wanna-be's screeching on the internet, like a noisy flock of Cockatoos!
They talk crap..if they ever discussed anything serious at all, it would likely breach some kind of security or, at the very least, one of several signed "non-disclosure" style of understandings, as we all do on entry into the forces..
And they would soon be getting found, arrested & charged. Period.
Hence the very occasional little reality checks..you were quick to pick up the subtle sound of a real guy, from all the noisy cockatoos..
And I'm not even a Veteran.. just someone who did a little military service as a young bloke..and wanted to point out in that chat, that any competent military unit, (hell, even a new recruit or police officer), wouldn't have allowed that, much less fallen for it..
Real Veterans are a whole next step up again..
Hope this helps your overall opinion of servicemen & veterans a little, Eva..it seems we are a little under-represented, or perhaps its more a cultural difference..you haven't mentioned a specific country..just an on-line US TV show comment, either way..
Have yourself a great day, where ever you are, and a warm G'day from 🇦🇺
Cheers! 🍻
The U.S. government has miles of tunnels with hundreds+ tons of food and equipment and supplies stored. The military knows where they are. So not that big a problem.
I agree with that
My only questions is this, Since when did the government start to build those tunnels and store all those supplies??
@@jalisciensehastalascachas1938 since like the cold war due to the threat of nuclear war at that time
@@johnxina1635 But there's histories of those so call "Tunnels" and shelters waaayy back than the Cold War, pretty much since the foundation of the country, but I don't know exactly what they were used for when nukes weren't a thing!!
@@jalisciensehastalascachas1938 well i dont know about that
@@jalisciensehastalascachas1938, Some of them existed before that even. There were other threats. (Such as natural disasters for example)
15-20 Years of operations without need for refueling. The storage capacity of Nimitz Class carriers for refrigerated and dry food can support a crew of 6000 for Approximately 70 days.
There probably would be less than full crew
Longer than that actually. Huge supply of MRE's in storage
Many would go AWOL.
what happens after 70 days when you can't get resupplied? cause all the supliers have been overran by the apocalypse from fuel, food, medicine and parts? the military doesn't have an endless supply, even supplies have to be replenished.. when the factories, farms and refineries stop producing food, medicine, parts and fuel(even ammo).. what will the military do?
@@userjlj They have enough to last several years. By then they will have farms and whatever is needed set up. They have people from all backgrounds in it to handle whatever is needed.
The show is focused on Rick and the group. They've been traveling a lot but they haven't even been halfway across the country. I believe that there's still a military somewhere in other parts of the world. Possibly more survived than we thought of.
If so, why didnt they contact the main land? SPOILER SEASON 10
Eugene tried to make contact with others and no one answered except that lady in season 10.
Honestly, there are probably pockets of military survivors in the desert areas of the U.S. (Roswell, maybe?)
@@abraham2172probably didn’t have access to it
@@chisongheng3155 Yes, or they wanted to hide their existance from plunderers like the Governor.
@@abraham2172 yeah we also have some clue on the worlds military since I think in Ftwd the Mexican navy is still operating
My main problem with TWD is that by the time jump in TWD, all of the walkers would have rotted to the point of immobility or death by now.
Even if the walker problem was solved within the show, people would keep on killing each other anyway lol so it doesnt really even matter
but wasn't that explained, that the Wildfire virus stops that by happening ? like the whole rotting thing
if you think about it wouldnt the ancient romans be really damn good at fighting zombies
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Well population back then was very little not like today so they could win over zombies
or the midevil perioind with their full plate armor
@@8vantor8 Only the very rich had plate armor. Everyone else would wear, if they had a little money, chainmail, or most likely just normal clothes.
@@andirichards7371 yeah, but i don't see a zombie biting through chainmail and leather, it would come down to being killed by being pinned by a zombie, as long as you don't let them pin you down there's no way they are getting to you
If they can first take Oahu, they have all the Navy assets including Pearl Harbor on the island which will have plenty of parts to keep the fleet afloat for quite a while since it's a major port for repair for the Pacific Fleet.
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To me, Guam would be a better base of operation than Hawaii. It has ship repair facilities, parts for naval vessels, weapons storage, and preposition ships located there. Plus it has a lot less area and population to clear.
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Pearl Harbor would be important here. I read a Highschool of the Dead fanfiction where the US 7th fleet based in Japan retreats to Pearl Harbor as it was unaffected with the outbreak.
Of course Guam would be strategic being closer to US allies like Japan, Australia, and the Philippines plus having the nuclear submarines and B-52, B-1, and B-2 bombers
We would take over a smaller less populated island first. need food ect. that would free up fuel from the non-neuclear ships for the campaign
Why haven't the flys and maggots eaten most of the flesh off of the walking dead they would mostly be jus bones by now 🤔
Steve j would cost too much to money and time to implement into the show, on top of that if the walkers were just bone the show would end like ASAP lol
Maybe the virus destroys and kills insects?
Dave Craft nope
world war z the book covered that issue. It seems that the virus is 100% fatal to all life, so flys might be attracted to the zombies but they couldn't eat or leave maggots to feed off them.
Glenn was killed about a year to a year and a half after the rise of the walkers.
I did a little google searching, it takes about 6 to 10 years, depending on soil conditions for a human body to be stripped to a skeleton.
I would sudjest that in conditions that lack macro scavenging, (no bears birds wolves coyotes) eating on a walker, due to fear of humans still being engrained in them. You would only be having scavenging happen on a small macro level, say flys having adapted to laying eggs on a moving dead body after a dozen or 3 dozen generation's passed. Along with micro organic decomposition. This being said i think most walkers that have been showen by twd to the date of Glens death have been excessively decomposed.
After the googling i did and my real life experiences in dealing with road kill deer... I do believe it wouldnt be untell year 8 or 9 before most of the walkers had been stripped to Skelton
After spending 12 onboard submarines I can tell you that a submarine carries only 90 days of food at a time.
cool! how was it like?
@@wzafflee6210 Sweaty
OPSEC?
@Steve Wolcott Yea like cannibalism
@@insurgentleman Or use logic and ration it
speaking in regards to the system to keep one person from dying on the ship (or in a camp) and turning then attacking the rest of them, the best defense Ive ever read up on was in "Rot & Ruin" by Jonathan Maberry, they put basic slide locks on every door. at night when you go to sleep, or when you are alone in any room you lock the door behind you. then if someone dies or turns over night etc they will be stuck, the next day when they realize you're missing they knock on your door and if youre a zombie you'll try to attack the door. so then they shoot. (often they had sliders on the door so there was a window at face level to open and shoot into)
bravo!!!!!
the reason that they failed is... it was necessary for the plot.
In Fear the walking dead we see the Catalina islands, just off shore of SoCal.. this would have been a staging base for local military command: It is an island with a limited population that you can take care of walker outbreaks and hold. Was it in the show? Nope. Just like in Seattle they could have fortified Mercer island.
But even if it were not essential to the plot that the military fails.. it would be seriously difficult to nigh impossible for them to hold the line. CDC episode makes it clear that everyone is infected and no matter the means of death you WILL come back.. see the prison flu episode.. from one of the flashbacks to Rick in the hospital Shane sees the army shooting patients.. not in the head mind you, just killing them.. that made things worse now didn't it? Add the number of people that just die of natural causes every day on earth and you have a numbers problem that the US military can not deal with effectively.
If they had really thought about on the level of Max Brooks we would have seen things like Catalina being a stronghold where the military bugged out to after cobalt.
oh and about how much food does a carrier carry? No idea about modern day, but this vid of HMS Eagle being replenished at sea in 1966 will give you an idea ua-cam.com/video/OOkxBKmxKfc/v-deo.html. This happens once a week. From the video in one week the crew consumes 12 tons of potatoes, 24,000 eggs, 100 gallons of ice cream, 125 gallons of rum, 4 tons of bread, 7 tons of meat, and 40,000 cans of beer. HMS Eagle had a crew about half the size of a Nimitz class CVN.
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ivan boston but what your not understanding about this series is that they are doing the worst possibly scenario. Meaning governments did nothing to prepare thinking it was containable and not needing to warn people both civilians and officials (we see evidence in this from ftwd when madison says that the authorities would tell us and that they were going to contain it). the whole series is set up for the apocalypse to just appear out of nowhere and sniff out humanity. In the book world war z it’s a worst case scenario but humans still win. They governments of the world knew well before the great panic and acted accordingly many countries did what real world countries would do so your right about that but you have to understand that the whole part of the walking dead is that the walker pandemic literally snuck up on the population and ended civilization basically overnight while
max brooks using a more real world model didn’t even max brooks is very off from what would actually happen
We saw in TWD and FTWD that enough of the US military infrastructure was still in place to firebomb the major cities of the United States. Atlanta and Los Angeles were shown being firebombed and San Diego was mentioned by refugees off the Pacific coast as being hit. I also believe they showed a burnt out San Diego when our heroes crossed the border back into the US in season 3 of FTWD. The logical choice to launch such an aerial attack on southern California would be the Navy launching strikes from carriers,
The aircraft hitting LA are shown attacking from the sea. That means the military seeing wildfire go global and overwhelm local/State Law Enforcement and the National
Guard and giving the order for the Navy to put itself to sea. You also have a full Marine Division and several SEAL Teams in the greater San Diego area that could have been
airlifted to the Channel Islands. (The SEALs actually use one as a training center) The Los Angeles Sheriff's Department has a station on Catalina and they (along with
the LAPD) have some airlift capability and boats to reach the islands. The Coast Guard also could steam out there. Catalina has an airstrip that could handle military
transports bringing in what's left of the California National Guard. Point is, there should have been enough military capability to secure the islands and sweep them
for walkers while leaving plenty of troops to patrol the beaches for washed up walkers. Those islands would be a perfect staging area and allow the military to set
up refugee camps for those folks on the water. The Coast Guard, Navy and Marine/National Guard aircraft could have patrolled the coastal waters for pirates.
The rest of the military would have secured ports in San Diego and Long Beach and Los Angeles and dug in behind barbed wire with heavy weapons, tanks,artillery and
armored vehicles backed by airpower off Carriers and from the channel islands. If they had enough time to set up the firebombing, they should have had enough time
to move food stores from their bases to the islands or even set up a massive perimeter around Camp Pendleton with the sea as an escape route. The base could
continue shipping food and supplies out to the islands and be a launching point for operations to retake So Cal.
The Channel Islands have two small military bases on San Clemente and San Nicolas Islands that could be fortified. It's not a great choice because of the possibility of food and water shortages, as well as small medical clinic for medical supplies.
Hawaii? You mean tahiti, just need more moneh and damn faith
Where's my muneh!!
Dutch : We just need more... MONEHH
Just one more job!
Red Dead 2 undead nightmare is looking lit
@@yxnglucci4801 IT AINT ABOUT THE MUNEH
It is mostly gone because this world has horror movie rules. No one looks around,the walkers have teleportation skills, no double tapping on humans so they comeback to bite someone. Everyone is dead like that gated community and the hospital waiting room.
And guns have unlimited ammo until a zombie bites you
Diószegi Zoltán unless the plot says you only have 3
The TV series 'the last ship' would have been the best example of what would have happed to the navy in TWD.
Still don't understand how a mere destroyer survived 16" shell fire from an Iowa class BB.
@@MrBurgerphone1014 well wwii destroyers survived even a hit from the yamato...
@@MrBurgerphone1014 BB???
@@angieroxy7550 USS Missouri (BB-63)
@@MrBurgerphone1014 Missouri would have it sunk IRL
The big thing with the walking dead is that if anyone dies they turn, so if you restore civilization you would have to figure out how to control consistent outbreaks
I think the military is still around but just hasn't been shown in the series. Of course in World War Z navies played a major role. Probably something similar is going on in the Walking Dead universe.
I do find it hard to watch the walking dead when I think about the military, just doesn't add up
One thing to consider is that when the outbreak first happened it happens rapidly and I am sure every was panic striken. They were not able to react quick enough as things were progressing. Just my take on it.
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I’m in the army and we can react and send a pretty large force within a very short amount of time,
VSR Clonetroop 5 even the weakest army in the world can defend their country from a zombie apocalypse. I want to say it was lack of information but in fear the military knew what's up. They may of just ran and let the population fall
In TWD universe the concept of zombies doesn’t exist. That’s why they don’t understand how to kill them and get overrun...
The comics expand on the military. Once things got bad over half of the military abandon their posts and stole thousands of ships,helicopters, jets, weapons and ammo and those that stayed loyal were streched thin throughout the nation with no reinforcements, no contact, no supplies and got overun
Truth is in a really zombie apocalypse is that the military would survive or not fail
All it takes is one injured soldier brought back
They have automatic weapons,not to mention that all of people understand the “zombie” franchise so I’d say the military at least the Air Force or marines would have a chance
@@thetired_operator7028 where should the soldiers know from how the virus works
@@GenossePaul well in combat soldiers are most often aiming at the head meaning even sooner or later they'll find out''hey shoot them in the kisser and they go down''
@@thetired_operator7028 I dont only mean that, they dont know how the virus generally works
I read about the battle of Yonker in World War Z from Max Brooks. Their weapons were NOT ineffective, they destroy like tens of thousands of zombies. The only reason they lost is because the crowd they tried to stop was HUGE, millions of infected New Yorkers. They slaughtered the horde until their big guns ran out of ammo, there were still millions of zombies, then they were attacked from behind, paniced and it was over. They knew they should aim for the head though.
I just had an image of the USS Enterprise leading a rag tag fleet of cruise ships, war ships, freighters, and yachts to a promised land called Hawaii.
Don't forget the fishing boats, you're gonna need those.
Destroyers and subs have 5 years min of MREs (source: my dad/Navy)
@Jules Vallez Each person would need less than 2 pallets and an MRE pallet is 50"x40" so it's manageable. A pallet has 576 MREs
(12 per case, 48 cases per pallet)
Fifi that's also common knowledge. Just like how Nuke ships today can stay out at sea for 25+years (so long as they restock food) without actually having to worry about ROH. Military info is so well guarded here in the states lol
@Jules Vallez You can get by on one MRE a day.
Sailors would do a lot of fishing.
God bless your dad and you,!
IF the navy was still alive and they were ganna run out food can’t they just fish
Yes ik it’s a stupid question but still can’t they fish
Danny Sullivan . say 😮 what or you are you joking seriously wow how many times you seen the day after I saw at once that was it I mean it was good but you know I love a good pocalypse but in the song apocalypse show. Likes The Walking Dead was just a movie or talking about how it all got started first place okie dokie
Lol there is like 6 to 8 thousand crew members on a Nimitz class aircraft carrier.. depending on marines and there mission when deployed..lots of fish bro. But would help with rationing food
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Assuming you have the rods on hand you could encourage fishing as both a recreational activity and maybe offer bonuses if you collect a certain number of fish to feed others with.
Why not just cannibalized? :u
The fleet would need 1 or 2 ships that would serve as giant floating farms to produce food
Maybe below deck hydroponics to protect the crops from salt in the air and other issues at sea, like nasty storms, etc...
You'd need 4 farm ships per combat unit I think just to have the volume of produce
A. Yes, you could and probably should make some garden ships.
B. You guys are forgetting the obvious; fishing ships/boats; lots of the bigger ones have processing facilities onboard. Everybody's gonna be eating a lot of fish.
In one of the Crossed comics, US Navy remnants did just that, but that's a whole different story since Crossed is was different from walkers in TWD, aside from possessing cannibalism
Simple reasoning: storyline
Shaun of the Dead had pretty optimistic view of military response when dealing with slow walking shamblers, if it’s like world war z or 28 days later that would be understandable to be outmatched
To be fair Britain probably has a higher soldier-civilian ratio than the US
Carriers have roughly 35-40 days of fresh food. After that, emergency rations for about 3 weeks.
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They have more food than that.
@@thomasunderwood1150 No, wrong
@@jamesevenden6559
"Fresh food" = The food that is enjoyable to eat. There's still plenty of shit food in cans and in other packaging methods.
It would be realistic to believe that every ship in dock would as fast as news came in, stock up and then later create main flotilla and pool all supplies together.
@@TealJosh No sorry you are incorrect. I am a US Navy veteran and I broke it down in the above post started by Fifi. It might come as a surprise to a civilian but I would dare say that the US Military's, as with any military, weakness comes from our supply chain. Look at history and all of the great battles and wars that have been fought in this world. The supply chain is always one of the first tactical targets hit. You break a military's supply chain and you have essentially broken the military. There are definitely contingencies in place for stuff like this, much of which I am not aware of I am sure, but in an apocalyptic scenario such as this one, no military would be fully prepared to handle it.
Being the military ... and well aware of just what even a platoon of Marines, soldiers, etc can do with just basic loads, I've always had an issue with The Walking Dead and how it seemed to portray society's collapse. Considering they are walkers and thus move at slow pace and then factoring in modern mil equipment like bulldozers, tanks and other armored vehicles; then civilian equipment like the same bulldozers, heavy vehicles; and then that about 40% +/- of US homes report owning firearms .....
Yeah .... any zombie uprising like in the show would not even get off the ground
Something I’ve always wondered is: how would the zombies be able to get into an Abrams, if no one inside was already infected. You could literally just wait them out (until they get bored and leave) or just go full speed (which, if I remember correctly, is around 35-40 mph) and leave them in the dust. The gas turbine engines are much quieter too.
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Not only that. But w any armored vehicle you can use your coaxial or other external machine guns to engage walkers even on the exterior of other armored vehicles
George all what you said was true but um buddy ealry zombie apocalypse we’re stronger and had different varieties which made them faster smarter and stronger that’s overwhelming but yea they really made the solider look weak and it would literally take about 2/3 years for it to actually fall not 2 days
What about underground military nuke bunkers?
Sure but you have to think of matance and if the nuke will go off again do to matance.
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What if a walker acadenle presed the nuk button
Bunkers are heavily fortified with steel and concrete. They are completely secured.
Missiles aren't going to launch if maintenance isn't done.
It takes two AF officers to turn the switch to fire a Nuke. So a walker bumping into a button isn't going to do anything.
@@davidcraft4636 Very interesting. I saw a 60 minutes segment on the personnel in the bunker a long time ago. They had "old style" landline phones and communications equipment. Because of that, I wonder if they'd be the exact kind of people who had the ability to communicate with the outside world?
Nukes would be a stupid choice, however fuel air bombs would be effective in wiping out large masses of walkers from the air. The problem is how many pilots survived and securing the runaway and airfields would become quickly a problem. However the Navy would likely start equipping for the long haul prior to walkers outnumbering the living. Securing an island depot would definitely be the choice to be made.
Most ships carry three to five months of food= to three meals a day for only the crew. If said survivors where on said ship then we are looking at maybe a month of hard rations. (Hard ration= 500-1000 calories per day.) In all likelihood the food would be divided up like this 35-50% of food going to the actual crew and marines that are on board, 25-30% going to engineering core and, the rest for citizens(majority going to citizens who can contribute to the overall function of the ship. Those who refuse to work will be feed leftovers at best)
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These ships are equipped with months worth of food. And pirates and over run ships are not an issue at all, an aircraft carrier has a reinforced hull. It could literally ram a cruise ship to sink it. But the logical solution because zombies can’t sail is to just avoid the ship
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They shouldnt sink it because then the zombies will just float in the water and be harder to find they'll need to board and make sure all are dead and they can't just avoid it since the ship could end up anywhere and spark an outbreak but ultimately it would be the ship captains word on how they do ti
@@TWDExplained I think that the bigger boats could easily sink/damage it
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its a huge deck on those ships they could grow food on them
bushman 4065 you would need the deck for operations
Many massive oil rig ships will be converted to stationary agricultures.
@@happyseal7202I doubt they would be doing many operations at all due to low fuel
@@happyseal7202 Jets do not fly without jet fuel. A normal carrier refuels every 3 to 4 days.
BRUUHH yes were going to turn our runway into a farm instead of using it for aircraft makes sense👍🏻
The amphib fleet is, by design, capable of loading a great deal of stores of every kind. They can bed and water hundreds of passengers for extended periods. Along with auxiliary ships, they could support a large number of people while at anchorage or slow steaming, thus conserving fuel to reduce the need to put into a refueling depot. They all can carry helicopters and some have maintenance facilities to maintain them. The ships with well decks can bring the boats needed to ferry landing parties ashore to get the supplies needed and return safely. Done right, they could last several years just sticking to the coast or make for islands that they'd have a chance of clearing and make safe.
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2 years ago, US Military purchased over 2 Billion (with a B!) 5.56/223 rounds of Ammunition for M4/M16 variants, nearly 1Billion rounds of 9mm, almost 500,000 of 45. (Which is used by MP and some die hards still) near 1/2 billion .308 and 7.62 ammo...apparently while sometimes interchangeable its better for still used Marine Snipers’ M-14 but other weapons use the NATO 7.62, 20!million 50 cal for the still ticking Browning M2-HB! This doesn’t include 20mm &40mm, for rapid firing guns on Bradleys AFV 105, and 155 howitzers, or for our MBT 120mm (all these come in various versions like AP Sabots or HE etc.
We haven’t touched the Navy’s needs, or the Air Force’s missiles, bombs etc.
Supposedly we keep a current stockpile at all times (hopefully) of at least double these orders!
Let alone the millions upon millions of private citizen ammunition or Police, Coast Guard so on! The idea of this country running out of Ammo especially for the military is fairly ludicrous, Hell or even private ownership stocks might run out (if no one reloads or actually makes more!)
in a decade or so I guess?
Because for all these cartridges, Propellant is stocked, brass , steel, lead in insane quantities! Which is quite likely what we would see by the Copter Folks are doing, snd making explosives is basic HS chemistry !
No, certain bases might fall, scout groups etc., maybe a few ships, but most would hold out quite well! It doesn’t take a genius to realize only Head Shots work, especially Senior NonComs, or anyone who has watched Zombie movies who guess and try! Dense Big Cities, they are in trouble, but most bases no problem!
Lots of good info! I also think we could hold out - Aliens maybe another story...but slow Z's no problem. Thanks for watching!
First point in FtWD is it's extremely doubtful you could get a ballistic missile such as a Trident 2 to hit targets closer than say less than 1000 miles from their launch site, these are 3 stage Rockets designed to go out of the atmosphere at near 20,000 mph and "fall back to earth" dropping 14 Nuclear warheads (8 if the near 500 kiloton warhead) to hit targets 7000-8000 miles away! You could not reprogram a Trident 2 to work shorter ranges...plus the supposed 10 warheads could destroy a 5-6 mile diameter area... the radiation would be a serious problem in a zone of say 20-30 miles... which is certainly not going to destroy "the world" ! The whole concept is silly but yes, Teddy and his true believers are bonkers as Hell, but look at the partial nuke meltdownat the Nuclear Power site Grace was at... at the most you would get 10 more areas like that around 2000-5000 miles around the country! It would suck but it just might draw millions of walkers to the noise and fires, possibly virtually clearing areas walkers, especially hordes...
So Teddy might actually help save parts of this country.
Earlier there was the question about why no armor? It appears the NRC has sophisticated body armors(seems to be as full coverage as Star Wars Imperial Troops)...so they seem to have sophisticated 3D printing resources it seems?
Finally our Nuclear Carriers have Battle Groups with oilers and supply ships to go for possibly 6 months, and they could go to secure locked down Supply Based such as Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, Multiple Bases in the Pacific going from Pearl Harbor to bases in the Philippines,
Okinawa and dozens more...the carrie probably has at least 1 Assault Carrier within reach with 1800 or so Marines who could certainly clear out any Walker Packed Base long enough to restock...until the Naval units converge and clear an Area or Island to begin rebuilding, possibly thats how the NRC came about?
I will shut up for now😎
You people realise that a simple 50. cal hmg is capable of SHREDDING zombies in half. And tanks are prepared for boarding attempt and if fully functional humans can't get into a locked tank without tools, then zombies won't be able to either. The tank could simply keep going forward and it would take down a whole horde with no problem, cause zombies are not enough to support the weight of a tank and would end up crushed to thier death.
i dont think that every soldier would do that
Tanks also have pivot steer. Crunch, crunch, crunch is the sound. I got grunts in my sprockets going round and round.
The last base in that scenario is Guam's Andersen AFB and the Pearl Harbour military complex in Hawaii.
Navy and Coast Guard would rescue their families and VITAL civilians first and not Senators but more Research Medical Experts and they could use oil wells and island points to process fuel. And fishing should work and many islands have no major human presence so again grow food. Just get creative. And machinists and other civilians could be put to work to fabricate parts.
Thomas Kolter Why wouldn't they rescue govt. officials first?
When a government no longer exists/ is overrun, said officils are no longer necessary(politicians, senators, givernors,etc.) The actually essential people are those with skill sets that can be used to build, repair, etc. Maybe a few high up government officials would be rescued but they're just figure heads.
the pentagon has a plan for a z apocalypse
Wikket Gaming they don’t. The idea of zombies being real is retarded. If a zombie apocalypse did actually happen the corpse would break down in a few years.
@@bingchillin3628 i know, i know. but it was something, kinda for fun or test run, i cant really remember why, but they have a procedure for a z apocalypse
This was a great video, i never thought about what happened to the Navy. It's possible they could have taken over an island somewhere like Hawaii or maybe the Caribbean islands just so they could have an environment to farm and who knows maybe Rick is over seas that would explain why he never came back. I'm a big supporter of your channel and I can't wait for the series you have coming up, I'm sure it's going to be awesome.
I’m not going home to pick up my dad at school and then I’ll go get home I will pick you guys tomorrow I yyyyyyyy
i think rick is with the Commonwealth
@Don Frenzel True you make make some good points. I just figured that the Navy could have been stationed at one of the ports in D.C. and maybe taken him to one of the ships there. I don't think the helicopter group is around that often they only seem to visit from time to time or atleaest that's the impression I got.
Naw they took tahiti over by having the moneh and the damn faith. They had a good plan
@Don Frenzel it's been years since it got abandoned perhaps there are less amount of the Walkers right now just don't know it.
I always thought that places like Hawaii would be easy to take over condidering the limited amount of people living in them, if you secure islands like Hawaii or the small islands from the Caribbean it would be easy to avoid another outbreak
US Navy man here. A Nimitz Class Aircraft carrier is typically stocked with about 45 Days worth of supplies at minimum at all time. USNS Auxillary Ships bring supplies to our ships via Replenishment At Sea (RAS) which is basically where we connect a big ass wire to each ship and we transfer our cargo to and from. We'll have 2 stations manned at a time, plus a Helo going to help get some of our supplies on board faster. Hope that gives some insight to how the US Navy works out at sea!
Awesome insight! Thanks! - So they attach the cargo somehow to the wire for transfer to the other ship? I have watched a video of them doing this with a hose (?fuel) but not cargo.
@@TWDExplained Yeah. It’s a 10-30 minute process where basically we shoot line over to the Aux Ship, they tie off their lines, and we pull it over to our ship by hand, then by winch. Once we get all necessary lines in hand, we connect the large wire (The Span Wire) to our Sliding Padeye (basically a device with a hook that moves up and down so the cargo can slide down the line. Think a Zip Line.) That’s basically all there is to getting connected. After that, it’s as simple as getting cargo secured to the actual hook device (I can’t remember the name, but if you see anything on a RAS, it’s that Yellow thing).
Fuel is the one you’ve seen with the Hoses.
Nimitz Class Carriers can take on about 1.5 Million Gallons of Jet Fuel or more. I think the most we’ve taken in a single day was 3.4 Million Gallons of JP-5
Another interesting fact is that Nimitz Class Carriers used to be able to SEND fuel like Auxiliary Ships, but currently, only CVN-76 has its SENDING Fuel station active. So if a Smaller ship needs fuel while at Sea, we can hook up and refuel them!
That intro though. Thanks for the laugh! Love your channel
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Thinking that very same thing lol
I've always wondered why they wouldn't go north for the winter months. The zombies would freeze solid. You can use a wood stove for warmth and melt snow for water.
FYI, mate..
You don't melt snow, you get nothing for your effort, and what you do get, largely evaporates, by the time you've boiled it well for health reasons..
You melt ICE, which is a far more solid block of water, and provides far more liquid, (and for your troubles & resources in lighting a fire to melt it down), as well as end-result-amount of clean, useable (drinking/cooking/cleaning quality) water obtained goes.
Snow is not ice..you would need to boil at least 5 times the amount of snow, or more..to ice, to get a similar result.
Now you know.
Damn a bit late on that one but I suppose you would be correct sir
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Yeah, sorry mate..
A bit late indeed, but someone just responded to me, from one of my own comments, from that same post a year ago, too..
So, i figured..while I'm back there, I might as well share a little of my old military training & long ago learned wisdom with others..
Who may..(one day soon) in this post-Covid 19, second coming US civil war, (or war with China first), era world..folks might just need such little tidbits of helpful survival trivia.. sooner than later..
After all..
"It's far too late to learn new skills & knowledge..in the middle of a gunfight that will decide your life, or the end of it.." Clint Smith, Thunder Ranch.
Cheers mate!
Have a great day, and warm, fair winds..all the way from Australia.
Back at ya! Cheers from Minnesota!
Nuclear powered ships can run longer, but not all ships are nuclear powered, the vast majority are still diesel powered. And even in the case of the aircraft carrier all the planes on it and all the smaller launch vessels all run on liquid fuels, which will eventually run out. Food and medicine will be an issue, but so will berthing, most ships are usually deployed with full crew compliments, so there's very little room to take on any additional survivors. Ships like submarines only have enough sleeping space for 2/3rd of the crew or less, since one third of the crew will be on duty at any given time. Securing islands would be the best strategy I think. As for pulling into port, that is easier that you might think, just pull up and make a lot of noise, the walkers will be attracted and will walk into the water, once the piers and other docking locations are clear you can send in ground troop to inland.
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Well thought out post!
20 year Navy Veteran here including 15 years flying P-3s and 5 years as a SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) Instructor. Supplies will be the huge issue, as all supplies ultimately come from the land. And not just food, but fuel for missions, spare parts for planes and the ship itself. Next is the fact that people die for any number of reasons. If a carrier is running 12 on and 12 off as opposed to 8 hour shifts, If a sailor dies during their off hours and comes back, how many shipmates do you think he/she could infect in say 8 hours within the cramped quarters of a berthing compartment? You could potentially have enough undead roaming the ship to make it useless. Also, it's not like a navy ship has enough small arms and ammo on board to arm everyone. It is usually enough arms to arms the Marine contingent onboard.
„Why don‘t just nuke the zombies?“
Most american question ever.
Maybe that’s what all the helicopters that we see flying around. Picking up families of sailors?
The military knew about the outbreak. So I’m sure the navy knew about procedures and what to do. So more than likely they are alive. The president, if alive, is probably on a air craft carrier.
One question I’d love answered is! Would the military (navy, marines) be able to retake military bases so ships and planes can refuel? I wish the walking dead would show us the perspective from the military. I think that’s way more interesting than what they’re doing now.
They could but they would need to defend them.. It would not be easy.. Also bases dont have infinite supplies..
I bet the president is alive. The Secret Service are probably the best bodyguards in the world. At the first sign of trouble, the president would be rushed to a bunker with enough supplies to last a while and strong enough to withstand a nuke. I bet the president is in the Cheyenne Mountain Complex in the Rockies in Colorado. Google that place. It is the best place to be during any apocalypse.
If a fleet is on deployment or a battle group, there would be USNS ship out as well to supply them during deployments with UNREP's and Vertreps. Word would have traveled fast through the different fleet commands and ships at sea would stay at sea and look for locations that would offer the least amount of threats. Any USNS ships at sea would more than likely link up with any groups underway and help to provide supplies for those groups. Isolated islands, they would anchor out and send probably their VBSS teams ashore to identify local threats and to recon areas of opportunity. At that point, if their is an island that is manageable, they would take control and establish a defensive perimeter to deter unknown aircraft from penetrating the air space. A guided missile cruiser or destroyer would carry a host of weapons from SM-2 missiles to their MK45 gun mounts and 30mm CIWS, they are also armed with Harpoon missiles and SH-60 Helicopters. Carriers would also be very good to have at sea since they could control an airspace for many months while at sea. It could be easier then you might think to establish a clear zone somewhere in the Pacific. Many islands from the south pacific to the Aleutian Islands. Another thing regarding the Navy, it would still hoist the Stars and Stripes, we have an oath and we will defend it no matter what!!
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Good answer. A comment like yours is what I’ve been looking for. A well-educated, well-informed, logical comment from somebody with real knowledge of this topic.
They would return to home port. Naval bases are pretty secure. Secure enough to keep out the living. I'm sure they can keep out the dead.
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I think the navy and the remnants of the ground based forces retreated to the islands and set up shop while maintaining contact with the remaining government who has holed up in bunkers and on islands. They are communicating on frequencies not accessible by people like Rick's group. I also think there is a mass safe zone in either the great plains or the rockies that is heavily fortified and maintained by the military. This is teased by the random helicopters that pop up occasionally. The military has regrouped and begun retraining to make only headshots in preparation for the grand finale of retaking the mainland. The producer's of TWD have made it clear that the show will have a happy ending and I think it will play out differently than the comic.
Better watch THE LAST SHIP.....very insightful
I wonder what happened to the bodies of people who died on mountains like Mt. Everest? There are long dead frozen bodies that are unburied along with people who might have been climbing right before TSHTF. Along with the Sherpas who live there.
The long, dead frozen one's would stay dead since they died before the reanimation virus took hold. The one's that just died would probably be frozen in place and stay that way until a thaw.
@@bentstrider there is usually a thaw in late spring in the 8k meter mountains. But summer brings a ton of snow. With less human activity, it might help the planet cool. But there are nuclear power stations that would melt down. So I don't know.
April Richards Inb4: Dead Snow
@@aceofspadesguy4913 bloody hell, just saw this! What is Dead Snow? There is a Norwegian N@zi Zombie movie but I can't remember the name. Still looking for the original (Norwegian) Night Watch.
Not just food but repair parts. Yeah the reactor doesn't have to be refueled for a long time but parts break and ships that large are maintenance intensive. Same for the aircraft. Figure a dozen or dozens of man hours for each flight hour and that's if you even have the parts to fix them. It wouldn't take long before you were using bubblegum and bailing wire to hold things together.
Cant the people on the aircraft carrier and navy ships just fish? There's unlimited water and they are hopefully surrounded by food (fish)
Jonathan Lee they don’t keep fishing supplies on the boat besides strings and hooks on the lifeboats etc and yes the water is unlimited as long as the ship has a filter on board
But how would they refuel they would need to go to land for more fuel or not they would just be drifting in the ocean until eventually they crash onto some random piece of land since they wouldn't be able to control the ship since there is no fuel
@@DG-oc7ks didn't you watch the video? There are ships that uses nuclear as a power meaning they can stay on the water for a good 20-50 years. Only problem is, is they would have to repair the ship and make sure things don't break
@@98kickinit grenade fishing. Spot a school of fish. Throw hand grenades. Fish float to surface.
Fish with what?. No nets. No way to pull them. No bait if your pole fishing. Really? Have you ever tried fishing in the middle of the Ocean.
This scenario you are discussing is exactly what John Ringo wrote about in his "Black Tide Rising" series. It's about a zombie apocalypse, but more in the vein of "23 Days Later" zombies than Walking Dead, as the "zombies" aren't risen dead, but rabid humans. Remnants of the US Navy and Marines, along with civilians who join them survive by salvaging ships and scrounging on small islands in the Atlantic, before attempting to retake a foothold on the US mainland.
The picture you showed at 2:42 is not a nuclear carrier vessel, CVN. That’s an amphibious assault vessel, WASP Class. A CVN would be a Nimitz or a Ford.
On Aircraft Carriers have machine shops to manufacture some of the parts.
Problem with the 100 though that most of those reactors would of melted down within weeks if not days of the nuclear war since no power would be getting to it to support the cooling systems and no people around to do any sort of fixing. Plus some would of been outright destroyed with the bombs themselves... OH and one reactor melting down would NOT of scorched the entire Earth lol..
Suspended belief.....it's the foundation of all these shows! I think that's one reason I like Game of Thrones so much....there is no realism about it and I can sink wholeheartedly into the suspended belief of it all.....without thinking to myself...What about the nuclear reactors?? haha Thanks for watching!
Actually in real life after a certain amount of time of no power reactors can auto stabilize the reactors...and there would of been no mass melt downs
@@kevinbutton4580 Newer reactors, yes. But a huge amount of commercial reactors in the US are designs from the 60s.
@@Halo4Lyf that were modernized to extend their operations into the 80 year range
Actually it was more than one reactor that caused the whole world to scorched the entire planet. Warning Spoilers ahead
In the plot it was said that the reactors can only prevent mass meltdown for 100 to 150 years after the nuclear war ends before massive meltdowns could explode. In the story after they realized a larger problem is coming for them they try to build shelter that can resist insane radiation but instead they were forced to find a very old bunker that can resist and protect everyone from a massive radiation storm meltdown that almost wiped out all of life on the planet except a small region that there is life left.
This show is just all built on suspended belief, it's funny and ironic to think in a situation like this the President/ High ranking officials would be surrounded by the best national security experts that are hand-picked and are most likely prior special forces in all different branches, yet somehow fall and die. But Glenn the Pizza boy with zero training survives and can make head shots look like cake work from hundreds of yards out, in some cases one handed with a pistol lol. In fact like almost 100% of the cast make impossibly difficult shots on the regular it's insane. In the walking dead world all forms of explosive devices to include artillery, rocket launchers, hand grenades, claymores and or landmines most not exist because that alone would lay waste to walking corpses that you could brisk walk away from....
No matter which way you slice it there's no way for the infection to spread at a rate the military couldn't control it. The story they gave us was a poor excuse and half-assed. It's really easy to create an actual plausible scenario, that being a super virus that knocks out 60 to 70% of the population at once, it would create the bodies and actual mass hysteria needed for an event like this to be possible.
Instead, we are given a half-ass excuse in "fear the walking dead" where it doesn't even actually show and plausibly explain the outbreak, it literally hings on behind the scenes events and literally making the military out to be pretty much incompetent and evil in order to work lol.
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Practice makes perfect gleen was with Rick the whole time
Why are you so upset with twd? It’s a tv show. Everyone’s infected so if one person dies while sleeping then they can reanimate and kill. That’s how any military or civilization can lose. As human numbers shrink the zombies numbers grow. Many scenarios could play out. But we’ll never know what would really happen because it’s all hypothetical. How cool would a zombie outbreak be tho?
@@xAudioBeatzz as long as we dont get Wwz zombied instead,it would be cool
@@jekesan4221 EXACTLY! I’ve always said I’d love for zombies to happen, except wwz and I am legend type zombies. Then we’re all fucked lmao
As a walking dead fan since day one of the television show, I find your channel very interesting.
Thank you!
World Beyond Season 2 answers your questions.
Where is ALL of the military and government?
Answer: CRM.
A nuclear sub or destroyer can sustain it crew from 6 to 60 months. A ballistic sub from 3 to 18 and combat sub about 3 to 6 months. I would say the navy would be fine
Go to land for food??? UM FISHING!!!!!!!
Wendall Rollins and water, they run out of purification tablets. get sick by sea water, running out of medicine, then they die, then we have zombies. zombies bite, another one, and it spreads
+Ryan “Acer220013” O. Navy ships have desalination plants on board.
So right 😂😂😂😂
Can you fish for a entire Crew? You'll need whales to feed them all.
7:38 You were completely right lmao.
In season 10 Michonne finds a phone on a navy looking boat that washed up and it has her and Judith etched into it proving that rick has survived and was on a boat for that 6 years.
Actually it was Jadis on the boat - Rick is presumably at a facility in New York or Philly.
@@TWDExplained Weird, I thought it was rick since it has michonne and judith on it. Maybe he moved.
@@capncook2006 When Jadis captured Rick back in the junkyard she took his boots and wore them .She liked them. Jadis was the artist. Rick is a prisoner and cannot freely roam. Jadis can roam so she spied on Michonne and Judith - drawing them - all the while having Rick's boots. - - The question is, what happened to Jadis?
@@TWDExplained Yeah sorry I don't know much about the helicoptor people, i'm going to finish FTWD then i'll watch world beyond and finally understand
@@capncook2006 Hey that's cool. We probably will not find out about Jadis until the Michonne story. (She should have a short series or 1hr special kind of thing that bridges the show and the movie for her)
A US Navy FFG is supposed to carry 45 days worth of food. It CAN carry more but that is the loadout. A carrier goes for about 70 days of food. the other ships will be in between. We have a very small amount of Nuke ships. Most ships need DFM or Diesel Fuel Marine and Gas for the electric generators.
As for parts breaking down on a nuclear powered ship, what I learned from being around submariners, is that the nuclear personnel onboard are not allowed to do repairs on the equipment that has to do anything with nuclear power. So that will be a factor in terms of a sailor's proficiency in repairing that equipment in this scenario. Here is a example, I served in the Navy for 20 years as a conventional electrician (Electrician Mate) and I was amazed to find out after having a conversation with a nuclear counter part (Nuclear Electrician Mate) that they don't even do basic trouble shooting/repairs Motor controllers when they break down. This was evident when my counter part was unfamiliar with basic troubleshooting techniques and circuit analysis. Its not his fault though, the policy has set him up to fail.
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I think a lot of how they failed are, suicides, people trying to get to their families, people turning on each other, people killing people mistakenly when they aren’t infected, etc. just my theory
There would certainly be a fair bit of that kind of thing happening in any WROL scenario..
Especially a fully post-apoc one!
But that wouldn't be nearly as prevalent in military families or personel, a few perhaps, but not in big numbers..
That kind of purile & panic behaviour is far more a 'civilian' trait & concern, than a dedicated & disciplined, military mindset.
Sure, we too would get damn scared & worry for our friends & family as well..but not to the point of getting 'stupid' about it..or genuinely believing such antics would actually help, more than hinder & harm.
Maybe under long-term, extreme duress, a few might crack..if their usual, personal self-restraint & discipline isn't up to their usual standards.
But not many.
The city streets & neighbourhoods, on the other hand..would soon become an absolute mad house.
Just WROL alone would be enough for widespread looting & theft, oportunistic crimes, from petty vandalism & fueds, to rape & murder..and a whole lot more besides.
And that all happens without Zombies & Viral epidemics..
Just 1 Earthquake or Hurricane can do it..anywhere in the world.
The army and survivors are making it worse theirs walkers every where just killing each other I don’t why they can’t come together and fight the walkers
It could take just 1 infected person getting on a ship to possibly take out the whole crew. With walkers, shit goes from 0 to 100 real fast. If for whatever reason the infected person wasn't found and dealt with immediately, things could get out of control in a heartbeat.
bullshit
Robert has to explain how it like literally became 5000 to 1 survivor so quick. Like how.
Yeah,i just did some search and it is said that only about 350k survivors still alive in Twd universe,like how the fuck that happened?
Why were people dying so fast
Wth happened before the wildfire virus to make people die so fast to have that many
What is often forgotten is that there is a seed vault, the Svalbard Global Seed Vault, on the Spitsbergen archipelago near the North Pole. For years, all important seed plants and their seeds, as well as other seeds such as trees, shrubs, etc., have been stored there in case of a global catastrophe.
Together with greenhouses, food production could be established in remote, isolated areas of the world. If the world's navies were still partially capable of action. (They have guns, missiles, planes, helicopters and all that) then that might be an option. This would be a unique military operation, the soldiers flying out to get equipment for greenhouses or whatever, e.g. daylight lamps and drilling equipment, to dig tunnels to grow the food underground.
Although the Walking Dead scenario is quite questionable. That's what this seed bunker is for. There may already be equipment there for planting and harvesting.
That's how you could proceed, okay this seed bunker is of course real and it's really for a real global disaster. But I assume that it also exists in the film world of Walking Dead.
An important argument here is that only a functioning navy, especially that of the USA, could carry out such a supply mission.
The group went to DC in S10 and retrieved some seeds from ?? Smithsonian I think - a teacher in the group had taken her class there one time and they learned about it
It's important to note that while nuclear powered vessels can go 20 or so years without refueling, the refueling process is EXTENSIVE, can take over a year, and essentially REQUIRES drydocking the ship for the duration of the work. And in an apocalypse the manpower and knowledge of how to do the work will be very limited, so it could take much longer. This only matters of course if they are able to figure out how to supply food for themselves for over 20 years to get to that point.
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I honestly really enjoy your videos! They are always so helpful and entertaining. I especially love the videos that include the military. Please keep up the outstanding work man!
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TheWalking DeadExplained no problem
06:55 The Navy doesn't have Generals they have Admirals.
3:03 what about fishing
Nimitz class about 90 days without resupply under normal portions BUT I had a buddy who was on a carrier back in 2017 and they went 117 without resupply without really noticing because they knew ahead, during the initial outbreak yes I would say around 90 days like normal, BUT later on in the series im sure they would be on half rationing and prioritize more food stowage by cutting open sections of bulkheads into "void" or "inaccessible" spaces (normally all that are in those is some structural support nothing major that can leak or anything)....so id say they could probably stock up on around 180-250 days if they open up a few voids (voids aren't that large though and the carrier would have to support the small boys ie destroyers) but there are supply ships (not many mind you) but that could raise the bar a bit
The navy has their own show: The Last Ship.
Yep! It was a good series. I had not watched it yet when I made this video.
@@TWDExplained on a boat your surrounded by EDIBLE fish so you don't have to go the store for food . You can collect rain water to drink and take a bath . Your only reason for going to shore would be for medicine & luxury items ,which you could learn to produce on the ship . Anchor the ship in the ocean and only move it to avoid hurricanes / storms to minimize wear & tear on the ship . Make one trip to the shore in order to Bring some soil & seeds on board to plant crops & fruit trees especially orange trees on the ship . Maybe bring some cattle / goats on board for milk for babies , but not necessarily sense they would be luxury food items . As long as the ship didn't sink it would be like a movable island . Learn how to produce needed medical equipment and medicine on the ship .
An aircraft carrier could fish like crazy and use the whole top deck to put a layer of soil and farm a ton of food
Mr. Nice Guy that wouldn’t work. The wind is too strong. The dirt would get blown off. Besides, then the aircraft carrier is essentially useless
There are not that many fish in the open ocean. Besides you have to have large nets to catch them. Can't drag a net behind a Carrier or even with the smaller boats they have. Catching fish is harder than you might think. Food takes months to grow even if you have seed. They would starve by then. Unless they started eating their dead. Eatting fellow sailors is a low moral issue.
The lower decks with excess non nessisary rooms would make better places to grow stuff
There’s rooms with windows they can grow like that
The most important supplies is bullets and water and foods
Cure to the outbreak. Every citizen gets a modified pacemaker installed. It monitors your heart rhythm and if the heart stops for longer than 30 seconds, at triggers a small explosive charge that's implanted at the base of the skull that will destroy the brain.
Big problem is getting food supplies for the ghost fleet . There won't be much left after a war and whatever is left will be more valuable than gold and heavily guarded. Maybe they will have to go fishing for their supper but a diet of seafood will get monotonous.
Morgan will found out about submarines with nukes.
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IM SURE THE NAVY COULD FIX THE FOOD THING EASY BY JURY RIGGING SOME AQUAPONICS SYSTEM. AND FIX SPACE PROBLEM WITH ONE OF AMERICA'S THOUSANDS OF ISLAND BASES. id try to take New-Zealand island large mountain forest.
In the walking dead universe, the US Navy is part of the CRM. They control numerous naval bases and islands, Guam, Diego Garcia, San Miguel island, Hawaii, etc.
The book series Arisen did a really good job of covering this. The reason the military fell was not due to the military over extended and fell apart, instead the us military has a hard time leaving casualties behind, also the JFK survived, as well as the battle group, they pushed the useless planes off the deck into the sea and turned the hangers into crops, and livestock,
"There's the fact that you'll have pirates" oh okay, so are you implying that the Navy is stupid enough to let a small vessel too close to their fleet to let the pirates get aboard?
The military probably split up...going to their families...it's not like their families were safe and the military was at war...war was everywhere in the form of walkers
Uh, maybe if all the officers are dead, otherwise the military are trained not to collapse like that just because of a disaster.
Even if the officers are dead, the NCOs could run the whole damn military. Especially the marine corps. NCOs are the backbone of any successful military.
navy would keep communications up.. satellites would still work, so navy ships would be able to coordinate properly..
Electricity. Electricity would be out in a week or so. people maintaining these systems would abandon their post and systems would fail in a few weeks. I work around cell phone equipment and the amount of people need to keep it going is vast. I give it 2 weeks and it would be down.
@@johnd4348 satellites don't require maintenance crew.. they use batteries or solar panels..
@@JaM-R2TR4 Trust me everything needs maintenance. Satellites don't work in a isolation. Their are ground crews that keep them working by constantly upgrading their software and teaking them.
@eddie money Military satellites would work.. they are built to work in WW3 scenario, where normal command and control centers might be destroyed, so some zombie apocalypse would have no impact on them.
@@johnd4348 military satellites dont require that much maintenance.. they will lose the orbit eventually, but it would take years before they get into critical situation. again, they are designed to work in nuclear war, some lack of monitoring wont do much to them...
It all depends on the type of outbreak. I believe that in the Walking Dead, initially most people got sick and turned. Those left were only those people that had an immunity to the initial contagion. Because of those, in this scenario, being trapped on a ship all together, chances are that there wont be more than a couple people that don't initially turn given the 1 in 5K number I've seen floated. Even on a carrier, if you had 20-30 that don't turn initially, odds are that they would be overwhelmed by walkers as it would take some time for them to find each other and do any clearing. This is why in this situation, the further out and more isolated you are, the better your chances of making it past that initial confusion period. Also depends on the incubation period. If it's less than a few weeks, that would bode well for the Navy if they have been isolated from the mainland outbreak location.
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I enjoyed watching his video, and it gave me a few ideas.
The U.S. Navy and navies in general may well already be near cities or the mainland during the outbreak helping the government keep order. Whether they follow orders, go rogue or whatever, due to fuel issues, the best place to station your boat would be next to or in a city, since to avoid zombies you can just pull up the gangplank. Crews can be sent on land to forage for supplies and maybe even set up semi-permanent bases, from where they could probably recruit survivors. If so, maybe the boat would be a navy personnel only safe zone which is used as a centre of operations to re-establish control.
Hawaii is too big to be cleared by the Navy alone so I think that smaller islands around the world, which are near the mainland for access to foraging would be ideal.
If the whole world was going to pot, I am sure that there would be some islands that would be taken over by naval and military elements from around the world and used as a base or just a safe haven. Oil rigs would be one way of keeping a fresh and steady supply of oil for planes and boats without nuclear fuel, so these would be guarded and fought over. Spare parts would be a problem so any military warehouses would also be a likely place to find survivors centred around a military core calling the shots. This would be naval bases or otherwise.