One of the features of the DVD-A I really liked was their positioning the track "Silver Springs", which was recorded during the " Rumours" sessions, as the 6th track of the album. It fits in really well, musically. The Blu-Ray positions the track at the end, where it doesn't quite fit as well. This track was omitted from the original album.
Brilliant! And yes, more 5.1 content 😁. It's nice that someone is going to the trouble of reviewing these as in Australia, music Blu-rays get very expensive (if you can get them) Nice job
In happy with my DVD-Audio copy. I have a lot of both formats and only two Blu-ray audio discs. All of the formats are awesome. I’m glad I don’t have to contend with tons of cables like I did in the 90s and early 2000s. I had my players (DVD-Audio and SA-CD) connected via DB-25 cables to my Onkyo DS-989 and switched through a printer switcher box. I still have my Outlaw ICBM but no longer utilise it. HDMI makes these connections so much easier.
I’m an HDMI guy, mainly because of Atmos. I don’t know of any sort of player or AVR that has 11 or 13 analog outs or ins. I doubt I could afford them if they existed! HDMI works great, to my ears.
@@lifeinsurround I agree. The HDMI connection makes it sooo much easier than before. It was a bloody pain the rear back then plus there were issues with bass management that you’d have to get a processor to direct any loudspeaker bass that your speakers couldn’t handle well to the LFE/Subwoofer.
Thanks for this excellent feedback. I actually decided not to purchase the new atmos version for financial reasons and because I already love my SACD version so much ❤ I didn’t realise there was the extra commentary on the DVD-A although I do have the excellent classic albums making of DVD video. So thanks for reassuring me that I’m not missing out on the atmos version 👍🔆
hey Mike. Thank you for this clear video on the (non) differences between the 3 audio supports. I have the first two, the DVD-AUDIO and the SACD. I was very hesitant to order the bluray, as you mentioned, especially since I am not (yet) equipped with Atmos. I should have waited for your review, especially since shipping from the USA to France costs almost as much as the bluray itself. It happened within a few days. If you had been enthusiastic about the Atmos track, but, even if my English is far from perfect, I understood that this was not the case. On the other hand, I really like the 5.1 mix (I don't have the ear of the musician that you are to have observed this phase problem) and I have difficulty going back to stereo when I find the 5.1 mix good do. PS: phew, your conclusions on Alanis' bluray don't make me regret the purchase.
I didn’t watch your latest Doors Atmos blu-ray review before buying, but glad I watched this Mac review first. You saved me some money, thanks! For both The Doors and the Mac, I already own the DVD-A versions. Now, I’ll put my money instead toward the latest Rhino quadios.👍🏻
Glad I didn't waste my money. I'll stick with my 5.1 DVD even though it doesn't give me a main menu, it just starts playing the album when you put it in. Thank you for reviewing the 5.1 features. Not only this album, but others, including fold-down experiences.
I have the SACD and have listened to it many times in Straight Mode (no conversion to PCM). Although I cannot compare it to the DVD-Audio, it is a truly excellent experience. I have been hesitating to get the new Atmos mix, and your opinion is important to me, so I will hold off for now. Thanks again Mike!
I’ve always wanted to try pure DSD, but I don’t have a system that doesn’t need any processing, such as room correction or bass management. I’d bet it’s very nice!
@@lifeinsurround I have always preferred to play music without any signal processing. I have a Yamaha receiver and set up the YPAO, but it just sounds 'off' to me. I end up back to Straight Mode. To my ears, DSD sounds smoother than PCM (perhaps more analog).
On the DVD-A edition, the only one I have, the song "Never Going Back Again" includes two items rescued from the cutting room floor, Mick playing the snare with brushes and, even more obvious, an electric guitar solo that was never included before. Did this tasty addition make it over to the other versions or is the DVD-A unique in that regard ?
I’ve been very disappointed in a number of Atmos mixes lately. They are not audiophile compatible at all, I don’t know if they’re using more compression or what the cause is. Latest Pink Floyd, Joni Mitchell, Deep Purple are not as good as earlier quad and 5.1 mixes. A disturbing trend indeed.
Thank you for the comparisons. I think I'm going to stick with my DVD Audio version. Do you think in a future video you could show us your Atmos set-up?
I always have pronounced it as "DVD Ah" (like DVD-Audio) Funny that I never heard anyone else pronounce it at all before. Thank you for the shoutout, btw! ❤
I have the DVD audio. It was one of the very first DVD audio disks I acquired. The blu-ray audio disk appears to offer no upgrade for the surround mixes. Does the stereo mix on the Blu-ray offer a significant enough improvement over the red book CD’s out there to warrant its purchase? Just want to cover all bases for such a landmark recording.
I am awaiting delivery of this. I have the SACD so am hoping that i like the ATMOS better than you. If not i geuss will ho straight on Ebay. Rare in the UK so hopefully get what i paid for it
No PCM stereo ... bummer, if you want to play it with an external DAC through Coax :( Once OOP it will be a nice collector's item, just buying those rhino blu-ray's for completist reasons... Record labels execs must live on another planet, if they can't make a decent atmos mix for one of the greatest classic albums ever + adding stereo pcm.
I do not have the Blur-Ray or SACD, but I do have the DVD-A, and my dedicated DVD-A gear plays the hi-res files and not the lossy easy-for-a-DVD-deck-to-read content. This disc is BRIGHT AS HELL and a little too loud. If you want treble, there is a shitload of it on the DVD-A, and on the 5.1 mix / mastering. IMO, if you want to hear this album at it's natural sounding, crankable best, buy the 45rpm vinyl that came out around 12-13 years ago. And this reviewer here (Mike) hears what I'm hearing.
I have both the DVD-A & SACD. I do not find this album too bright. Its highs are well pronounced yet to my ears not too sharp nor cheap sounding like I feel w/ bright recordings. It could be how I have my system set up and my speakers which are not bright at all. I like clarity & liveliness yet I despise overbearing treble or that cheap mid-high impact so I get what you’re saying even though I mildly disagree on this album. Have you tried listening with other gear? I say mildly because I figure w/ some speakers/headphones/DACs, amps etc it could be too much. I haven’t had the SACD long enough to make any judgment yet so far I like it. I prefer DVD-A in general because I feel it & dts captures the qualities of vinyl better.
I use an Oppo 103 btw via HDMI. I also use an old JVC 7-disc carousal DVD-A player on another system and have a Pioneer Elite bdp that is no longer hooked up. I’ve had the DVD-A for over 20 years used with various speakers, most of which were not high end. I sometimes run 2-ch thru a tube buffer.
My SACD isn't particularly bright. It's still in print from WB Japan. My old copy was the '80's vintage Nautilus LP which was good, but a little "reserved" in comparison. (I love some Fleetwood kick dum!)
I have both SACD and a few copies of the DVD-A, I hear where you’re coming from about it being bright. I only listen to two channel so I can’t speak for the 5.1. On my system it’s just one of those recordings that when I turn up the volume I stop just before that point where the brightness is too much. There’s usually some kind of unpleasantry with most recordings that eventually show themselves as the volume gets turned up. I think that’s what makes me really appreciate the recordings that I can actually turn the volume all the way up and nothing negative is introduced. I drive my speakers with a Krell FPB 300 so that’s a bit of juice running through.
The Dolby Atmos Fleetwood Mac Romours and The Best of the Doors is not good. Both are very tinny. Not a good experience. The DVD FM MAC and the previous Blu-ray 5.1 The Doors Singles is so much better. Sad, I wish they both would have worked out. So many more songs on the Doors Atmos. On a good note Keane Dolby Atmos Hopes and Fears is Awesome!
What? This is a superbly recorded, mixed and mastered album. All made the better by the hedonism and heartbreak that went with it. it''s still one of the best selling vinyl records every year. Now if you want to say that Bat Out of Hell was badly recorded, or Tapestry then you'll get no complaints from me.
Not my favorite album, but the consensus among recording professionals and listeners is this is among the best recordings of rock without digging into obscure acts. When you open the category to jazz and classical, picking the best is a lot harder.
One of the features of the DVD-A I really liked was their positioning the track "Silver Springs", which was recorded during the " Rumours" sessions, as the 6th track of the album. It fits in really well, musically. The Blu-Ray positions the track at the end, where it doesn't quite fit as well. This track was omitted from the original album.
Thank you for the great review, and for saving me some money. I’ll stick with the DVD-A.
Happy to be of some help!
Good honest advice as I have had the DVD-A for many years and it's still a 5.1 favorite. Might save my $ for another title. Thanks, from Australia.
Brilliant! And yes, more 5.1 content 😁. It's nice that someone is going to the trouble of reviewing these as in Australia, music Blu-rays get very expensive (if you can get them)
Nice job
Thanks for letting us know that the blu-ray DVD-A is using the same master as the Ken Caillat master from the original DVD-A release
In happy with my DVD-Audio copy. I have a lot of both formats and only two Blu-ray audio discs. All of the formats are awesome. I’m glad I don’t have to contend with tons of cables like I did in the 90s and early 2000s. I had my players (DVD-Audio and SA-CD) connected via DB-25 cables to my Onkyo DS-989 and switched through a printer switcher box. I still have my Outlaw ICBM but no longer utilise it. HDMI makes these connections so much easier.
I’m an HDMI guy, mainly because of Atmos. I don’t know of any sort of player or AVR that has 11 or 13 analog outs or ins. I doubt I could afford them if they existed! HDMI works great, to my ears.
@@lifeinsurround I agree. The HDMI connection makes it sooo much easier than before. It was a bloody pain the rear back then plus there were issues with bass management that you’d have to get a processor to direct any loudspeaker bass that your speakers couldn’t handle well to the LFE/Subwoofer.
Thanks for this excellent feedback. I actually decided not to purchase the new atmos version for financial reasons and because I already love my SACD version so much ❤ I didn’t realise there was the extra commentary on the DVD-A although I do have the excellent classic albums making of DVD video. So thanks for reassuring me that I’m not missing out on the atmos version 👍🔆
Thank you. This are good news. I own the dvd-audio. So it is not necessary to buy the blu-ray for 5.1 . Thank you. Regards from Germany 👍
same here. and it sounds really good to me
hey Mike. Thank you for this clear video on the (non) differences between the 3 audio supports. I have the first two, the DVD-AUDIO and the SACD. I was very hesitant to order the bluray, as you mentioned, especially since I am not (yet) equipped with Atmos. I should have waited for your review, especially since shipping from the USA to France costs almost as much as the bluray itself. It happened within a few days. If you had been enthusiastic about the Atmos track, but, even if my English is far from perfect, I understood that this was not the case. On the other hand, I really like the 5.1 mix (I don't have the ear of the musician that you are to have observed this phase problem) and I have difficulty going back to stereo when I find the 5.1 mix good do. PS: phew, your conclusions on Alanis' bluray don't make me regret the purchase.
I didn’t watch your latest Doors Atmos blu-ray review before buying, but glad I watched this Mac review first. You saved me some money, thanks! For both The Doors and the Mac, I already own the DVD-A versions. Now, I’ll put my money instead toward the latest Rhino quadios.👍🏻
Glad I didn't waste my money. I'll stick with my 5.1 DVD even though it doesn't give me a main menu, it just starts playing the album when you put it in. Thank you for reviewing the 5.1 features. Not only this album, but others, including fold-down experiences.
I forgot that the dvd audio track listing was different with the inclusion of Silver Springs not as a bonus track.
Great review! Thanks, as always.
I have the SACD and have listened to it many times in Straight Mode (no conversion to PCM). Although I cannot compare it to the DVD-Audio, it is a truly excellent experience. I have been hesitating to get the new Atmos mix, and your opinion is important to me, so I will hold off for now. Thanks again Mike!
Happy to be of some help! So many multichannel releases, right now.
I’ve always wanted to try pure DSD, but I don’t have a system that doesn’t need any processing, such as room correction or bass management. I’d bet it’s very nice!
@@lifeinsurround I have always preferred to play music without any signal processing. I have a Yamaha receiver and set up the YPAO, but it just sounds 'off' to me. I end up back to Straight Mode. To my ears, DSD sounds smoother than PCM (perhaps more analog).
On the DVD-A edition, the only one I have, the song "Never Going Back Again" includes two items rescued from the cutting room floor, Mick playing the snare with brushes and, even more obvious, an electric guitar solo that was never included before. Did this tasty addition make it over to the other versions or is the DVD-A unique in that regard ?
The SACD and Blu-ray also have this 5.1 mix.
That's for the Blu-ray warning. THE YES ALBUM Atmos was apparently not that much of an improvement either, but no distortion has been reported yet.
I’ve been very disappointed in a number of Atmos mixes lately. They are not audiophile compatible at all, I don’t know if they’re using more compression or what the cause is. Latest Pink Floyd, Joni Mitchell, Deep Purple are not as good as earlier quad and 5.1 mixes.
A disturbing trend indeed.
Thank you for the comparisons. I think I'm going to stick with my DVD Audio version. Do you think in a future video you could show us your Atmos set-up?
I have made some upgrades since the last system tour, so that’s a good idea. Spoiler alert: it is a very modest system. Nothing too flashy!
I always have pronounced it as "DVD Ah" (like DVD-Audio)
Funny that I never heard anyone else pronounce it at all before. Thank you for the shoutout, btw! ❤
That's like when I first heard YYZ by Rush pronounced "Why Why Zedd"!
I have the DVD audio. It was one of the very first DVD audio disks I acquired. The blu-ray audio disk appears to offer no upgrade for the surround mixes. Does the stereo mix on the Blu-ray offer a significant enough improvement over the red book CD’s out there to warrant its purchase? Just want to cover all bases for such a landmark recording.
I might listen that playlist.
Nice vid
I am awaiting delivery of this. I have the SACD so am hoping that i like the ATMOS better than you. If not i geuss will ho straight on Ebay. Rare in the UK so hopefully get what i paid for it
You might be right. Only just heard about it myself.
No PCM stereo ... bummer, if you want to play it with an external DAC through Coax :( Once OOP it will be a nice collector's item, just buying those rhino blu-ray's for completist reasons... Record labels execs must live on another planet, if they can't make a decent atmos mix for one of the greatest classic albums ever + adding stereo pcm.
Great job.
Tech question. Non related to FM. Do you run all your speakers on your AVR? or do you beam? with an external amp?
All of my speakers are powered by external amps. One powering 5 channels, the other powering 6.
Is the DTS 5.1 mix the same as on DVD-A?
I do not have the Blur-Ray or SACD, but I do have the DVD-A, and my dedicated DVD-A gear plays the hi-res files and not the lossy easy-for-a-DVD-deck-to-read content. This disc is BRIGHT AS HELL and a little too loud. If you want treble, there is a shitload of it on the DVD-A, and on the 5.1 mix / mastering. IMO, if you want to hear this album at it's natural sounding, crankable best, buy the 45rpm vinyl that came out around 12-13 years ago. And this reviewer here (Mike) hears what I'm hearing.
I have both the DVD-A & SACD. I do not find this album too bright. Its highs are well pronounced yet to my ears not too sharp nor cheap sounding like I feel w/ bright recordings. It could be how I have my system set up and my speakers which are not bright at all. I like clarity & liveliness yet I despise overbearing treble or that cheap mid-high impact so I get what you’re saying even though I mildly disagree on this album. Have you tried listening with other gear? I say mildly because I figure w/ some speakers/headphones/DACs, amps etc it could be too much. I haven’t had the SACD long enough to make any judgment yet so far I like it. I prefer DVD-A in general because I feel it & dts captures the qualities of vinyl better.
I use an Oppo 103 btw via HDMI. I also use an old JVC 7-disc carousal DVD-A player on another system and have a Pioneer Elite bdp that is no longer hooked up. I’ve had the DVD-A for over 20 years used with various speakers, most of which were not high end. I sometimes run 2-ch thru a tube buffer.
My SACD isn't particularly bright. It's still in print from WB Japan. My old copy was the '80's vintage Nautilus LP which was good, but a little "reserved" in comparison. (I love some Fleetwood kick dum!)
I have both SACD and a few copies of the DVD-A, I hear where you’re coming from about it being bright. I only listen to two channel so I can’t speak for the 5.1. On my system it’s just one of those recordings that when I turn up the volume I stop just before that point where the brightness is too much. There’s usually some kind of unpleasantry with most recordings that eventually show themselves as the volume gets turned up. I think that’s what makes me really appreciate the recordings that I can actually turn the volume all the way up and nothing negative is introduced. I drive my speakers with a Krell FPB 300 so that’s a bit of juice running through.
You stated that Rumours sold 13 million copies. You are incorrect. It sold 13 million before 1980. As of 2023, it has sold over 40 million copies.
Thanks for the clarification. That's even more impressive!
The Dolby Atmos Fleetwood Mac Romours and The Best of the Doors is not good. Both are very tinny. Not a good experience.
The DVD FM MAC and the previous Blu-ray 5.1 The Doors Singles is so much better. Sad, I wish they both would have worked out. So many more songs on the Doors Atmos.
On a good note Keane Dolby Atmos Hopes and Fears is Awesome!
no version is the best .cause this album was bad recordet. if the original source is bad you dont get a good version on any format
What? This is a superbly recorded, mixed and mastered album. All made the better by the hedonism and heartbreak that went with it. it''s still one of the best selling vinyl records every year. Now if you want to say that Bat Out of Hell was badly recorded, or Tapestry then you'll get no complaints from me.
First time I've heard anyone say this superb sounding album was badly recorded.
You must be thinking of some other album called *Rumours.* (Maybe by The Fleetwood Chicks or Mac Donaldi?)
Not my favorite album, but the consensus among recording professionals and listeners is this is among the best recordings of rock without digging into obscure acts. When you open the category to jazz and classical, picking the best is a lot harder.
@@ctrlzyx2 this is far from Rock, it is a soft pop album, recorded badly . listen to deep purple in rock album ,then you know what rock truly is.
Came here to LISTEN to differences. Got LECTURED on audio tech instead 😑👎
Manage your expectations, my friend. If you find someone else on UA-cam playing you the 5.1 and Atmos mixes from these discs, on UA-cam, lmk.
Yes. Because... copyright.