Hi, Christopher! Thank you kindly! I am not out to blast any of them, just give the pros and potential cons with each and let folks decide for themselves.
Good Morning Anthony, great video and in-depth explanation of the car systems really interesting. I think for me and my little brain the basic faller system would work well. All the best to you and Joyce.
Hi there, Deano. I don't think it was too in-depth, I was really glossing over a lot of things and excluding a lot more. Still, it is something to think about. Really I did this so that folks have a working knowledge when I go into the videos showing how I started, how I failed, and what I am trying to do.
Oh, I do so hope I can get it working. The last 3-4 years have been a emotional roller coaster... or perhaps, submarine would be better. I had it working, then tried to upgrade it, and could never get it working right again. I grew disenchanted with the road track by Faller, and spent the last two years trying to figure out a way to do something different. Viessman's new system gave me some ideas, so I am creating a bit of a hybrid. We will see if it works! Thank your for watching and commenting.
It really is good when someone does all the hard work and lets us know about a given subject. Even better without trashing one system in favour of another. A fantastic and useful highlight in the world of moving vehicles for your layout. Thanks Anthony for producing this extremely informative and concise video. Regards, Geoff.
Thank you for all those kind words, outside the not bashing any system, I am not sure the other compliments are warranted, but I just let the mind and mouth go and see what comes out. lol
Hi Anthony thanks for that very informative video on car systems. I do not have plans to install such a system but they do add an extra dimension to any layout. Wishing you all success with your venture and will follow you every step of the way. Regards Tom
Thank you for the kind words, Tom. I was really doing a fast version and setting folks up to understand the next couple of videos. I am very nervous as I try to install this one last time. The basics are in. Now I just have to wire the motors and see if they will work with the reed sensors.
Hi Anthony, this is a fascinating subject, its a dream of many Rail modellers to have a working scale vehicle system in conjuction with the Trains running. I looked at the Faller system years ago but due to cost decided not to buy it. Its really cool to see these working on layouts and as you showed they are introducing more advanced ways of controlling the vehicles. Great video, I enjoyed how you explained in detail the pros and cons of each system. Cheers, Paul. 👍👍👍
Hello, Paul One of the things about model railways if we build in the now with dreams of the future, and a car system can be retroactively added, but it is better to think about it and what kind of action you went well ahead of time. With such differing systems and levels of activity, one really needs to brainstorm it heavily.
Great Video Anthony , The biggest issue for me with the Magnorail system is the noise of the chain it gets to the point where you just want to switch it off for some peace and quiet , I have even heard them so loud they drain out the sound of sound fitted locomotives . Best Regards Mate David
Once again you have done an excellent job of explaining the pro’s and cons of all three systems. And without bashing any of them. Thanks Anthony for sharing.
Hi Anthony, Hope you are all well. Nice information and explanation Anthony.. I semi installed the basic Faller road system on my layout in 2010 but gave up on it as the cars moved way too fast for the scale size ..I also found the road plan on my layout was too compact and very arkward so I took it out and sold all the kit on Ebay ..I have looked at the other systems but for me it was way too much hassel installing it as at the time I was also installing all the track sensors for automation.. Thanks for showing 👍🏻
Hey, Jim... I believe newer Faller cars have an adjustment for speed, but that is definitely an issue they had as well. One thing I did not discuss in this video, but will in a follow-up is about looking at space and deciding what works best. I have been ready to chuck this all out and make a static display, but I wanted to try it one last time and get it working, because it did look very cool when I did have it working for a brief period of time before I got stupid. Thanks for watching! Best wishes to you and the fam!
thanks for the video Anthony... I certainly would like to add a car system at some future time. I like the sound of the Viesmann system with the sensors.
Best thing to do is go to their websites and watch their presentation videos. For Viessmann, go to Graham Foulston at Lakeside... he recently did some videos of some things he picked up and incorporated!
You are spot on. It is becoming its own hobby. Folks build Faller Car layouts and take them to shows and exhibitions. No trains. Just scenes with vehicles.
Hi, John! It has been a long struggle (mentally as much as anything). I had it working 4 years ago, then it all went wrong, and I could not fix the problems and gave up. It was ME, not the product. So, I have finally worked up the courage to give it another go.
Hi Anthony, Another in depth look at this for us so thank you for showing all the systems and how they work. Although you did not mention it I assume you would need this sort of system if you wanted to use iCar to automate them in total but if its like my iTrains lots of work needed. I will look out for the next part of this to see how you got on because as you have the kit it seems a shame you cannot enjoy it so good luck. Cheers Robert.
Faller has it's own system, so I can not speak to iCar, but I assume iCar is an attempt to integrate the digital car systems (Faller) into the same idea as iTrains!
I prefer Mag-No-Rail and have 3 circuits on one of my European HO layouts. The plus for me ANY car can be used and major for me is the bicycles which greatly adds to realism. I prefer Artitec vehicles for their ultra realism. It is not hard to install, just takes some time and planning. For first time users I would recommend you build on small sheet of plywood to get the experience, then dissemble for parts. I build mine the size I wanted on plywood and then incorporated it on the layout. I screw down the route and use foam cut out and glued down to bring up to almost to ground level. Plastic chain and motor installed, and area is covered with very large sheets of photographic paper, slick surface up. This can be painted or use of marker pens to create country road or whatever you wish. I have a couple videos posted so take a look. Not the best videos as that's not what I do but a highly detailed HO European layout. The circuits are automated using Marklin Central Station CS3+.
Each company comes with pros and cons, as I say in the video. Magnorail is fantastic, but limited in what it can do. Faller and Viessman offer more alternatives, but have their limitations because of price and size of vehicles for motors. I like both, went with Faller.
There are some inaccuracies regarding Viessmann. The distance control between vehicles works with infrared, not with magnets and reed sensors. And the prices are not really bigger if you compare equivalent vehicles. Some Viessmann vehicles are expensive because they are complex (they have a cement mixer or a crane with lots of tiny parts etc.). But if you compare basic trucks, for example the Faller 161439 with the Viessmann 8030, you will notice that they have the exact same price, where the Faller only has a motor directly connected with the battery, and does not even have lights, while the Viessmann has lights, has a load-regulated motor capable of smooth driving at different speeds, has a decoder, has built-in anti-collision, etc. etc. (and even a possibility to add inductive charging)
@praevasc4299 Comparing similar vehicles, Viessmann are much higher. V25-50% higher. Also, at the time this video was made, Viessmann had not released some of the things you mention. I also mentioned that the Viessmann's came with more, thus the higher price.
Very useful video,thanks for uploading. My only gripe is the use of the word "Car" in the systems which use electric motors built in each vehicle. I have only ever seen vans, trucks and buses - no cars. Whilst limited in what the vehicles can do at least the Magnorail system allows a variety of vehicles including cars. I saw a Faller system at an exhibition and while it was impressive it soon became apparent that no cars were moving. They were there, parked up on the street but remained static. I totally get that size restricts the vehicle fleet that systems like Faller can use and if you accept that you are only ever going to see vans and larger vehicles moving then it's all good. I guess one way of incorporating cars on a Faller layout would be to use Magnorail creatively to have the occasional moving car make an appearance.
Hello, and thanks for commenting. As I mentioned, all systems have pros and cons. The "price" one pays for more realistic traffic flow requires more digital circuits and motors. The cars are coming. Viessman has some cars, including a VW Beetle. Faller has a police car and family sedan coming.
@@ModelTrainOutsiderHi, I didn't know that cars were coming. That will be very interesting, although I dread to think how much they will cost! Lol.Cheers
@@Mokkers_stuff Indeed. Cars for the Digital Faller are €229-€299. Here's the smallest Faller is releasing this year: www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/Faller+car%2Dsystem/CS+Cars/Faller%2D161437/gb/modell_412526.html
Good review. 👍 Most systems have a loop. If you are running a loop as part of a model train layout then the loop will not be as noticeable, because the main focus should be the trains? Looking forward to seeing your system in action 👍 Happy modelling Mon
Very true, all the car systems do require a circuitous set up. How one arranges it and disguise elements makes it more realistic to the level one wants.
Very well presented there on all 3 systems a very fair rundown of each 😊
Hi, Christopher! Thank you kindly! I am not out to blast any of them, just give the pros and potential cons with each and let folks decide for themselves.
this is a subject i've thought about for a long time but never researched thoroughly. I now feel like I have a good understanding. thank you Anthony!
Well, if you go to it, I am sure you will research more thoroughly. This really was a skim job!
Good Morning Anthony, great video and in-depth explanation of the car systems really interesting.
I think for me and my little brain the basic faller system would work well.
All the best to you and Joyce.
Hi there, Deano. I don't think it was too in-depth, I was really glossing over a lot of things and excluding a lot more. Still, it is something to think about. Really I did this so that folks have a working knowledge when I go into the videos showing how I started, how I failed, and what I am trying to do.
Hi Anthony, thanks for explaining these road systems in detail with pro and cons for each looking forwards to seeing your system working cheers Al
Oh, I do so hope I can get it working. The last 3-4 years have been a emotional roller coaster... or perhaps, submarine would be better. I had it working, then tried to upgrade it, and could never get it working right again. I grew disenchanted with the road track by Faller, and spent the last two years trying to figure out a way to do something different. Viessman's new system gave me some ideas, so I am creating a bit of a hybrid. We will see if it works! Thank your for watching and commenting.
It really is good when someone does all the hard work and lets us know about a given subject. Even better without trashing one system in favour of another. A fantastic and useful highlight in the world of moving vehicles for your layout. Thanks Anthony for producing this extremely informative and concise video. Regards, Geoff.
Thank you for all those kind words, outside the not bashing any system, I am not sure the other compliments are warranted, but I just let the mind and mouth go and see what comes out. lol
Hi Anthony thanks for that very informative video on car systems. I do not have plans to install such a system but they do add an extra dimension to any layout. Wishing you all success with your venture and will follow you every step of the way. Regards Tom
Thank you for the kind words, Tom. I was really doing a fast version and setting folks up to understand the next couple of videos. I am very nervous as I try to install this one last time. The basics are in. Now I just have to wire the motors and see if they will work with the reed sensors.
Great review of the pros and cons of each system. I’m looking forward to watching you trouble shoot yours and get it working the way you want.
We'll see what happens
Hi Anthony, this is a fascinating subject, its a dream of many Rail modellers to have a working scale vehicle system in conjuction with the Trains running. I looked at the Faller system years ago but due to cost decided not to buy it. Its really cool to see these working on layouts and as you showed they are introducing more advanced ways of controlling the vehicles. Great video, I enjoyed how you explained in detail the pros and cons of each system. Cheers, Paul. 👍👍👍
Hello, Paul
One of the things about model railways if we build in the now with dreams of the future, and a car system can be retroactively added, but it is better to think about it and what kind of action you went well ahead of time. With such differing systems and levels of activity, one really needs to brainstorm it heavily.
Great Video Anthony , The biggest issue for me with the Magnorail system is the noise of the chain it gets to the point where you just want to switch it off for some peace and quiet , I have even heard them so loud they drain out the sound of sound fitted locomotives . Best Regards Mate David
Magnorail has been working to reduce the drive noise and have succeeded to some degree, though I have not seen one in a while.
Wow! that is a lot of information. This could be another hobby in itself. Thanks for sharing.
It really is! Folks build layouts and show them, just like with trains.
Once again you have done an excellent job of explaining the pro’s and cons of all three systems. And without bashing any of them. Thanks Anthony for sharing.
Well, I do not know how excellent, but I try. lol Thanks for watching and again for commenting!
Hi Anthony,
Hope you are all well.
Nice information and explanation Anthony..
I semi installed the basic Faller road system on my layout in 2010 but gave up on it as the cars moved way too fast for the scale size ..I also found the road plan on my layout was too compact and very arkward so I took it out and sold all the kit on Ebay ..I have looked at the other systems but for me it was way too much hassel installing it as at the time I was also installing all the track sensors for automation..
Thanks for showing 👍🏻
Hey, Jim... I believe newer Faller cars have an adjustment for speed, but that is definitely an issue they had as well. One thing I did not discuss in this video, but will in a follow-up is about looking at space and deciding what works best. I have been ready to chuck this all out and make a static display, but I wanted to try it one last time and get it working, because it did look very cool when I did have it working for a brief period of time before I got stupid. Thanks for watching! Best wishes to you and the fam!
thanks for the video Anthony... I certainly would like to add a car system at some future time. I like the sound of the Viesmann system with the sensors.
Best thing to do is go to their websites and watch their presentation videos. For Viessmann, go to Graham Foulston at Lakeside... he recently did some videos of some things he picked up and incorporated!
Very interesting. I’ve seen these systems at exhibitions but didn’t know how they worked exactly. It’s like a whole other hobby in itself!
You are spot on. It is becoming its own hobby. Folks build Faller Car layouts and take them to shows and exhibitions. No trains. Just scenes with vehicles.
Thanks Anthony that has opened my eyes on the things you can do with the system.
Depending on how techy you take it, you can have a complete realistic and intense traffic flow.
Very interesting systems there Anthony, that was very informative! (Dave).
Well, I am glad folks think so. Trying to keep it simple and what to leave up is a hassle in such things.
For sure.@@ModelTrainOutsider
Hi Anthony, look forward to your further adventures with this system, particularly the turning function of it.
Hi, John! It has been a long struggle (mentally as much as anything). I had it working 4 years ago, then it all went wrong, and I could not fix the problems and gave up. It was ME, not the product. So, I have finally worked up the courage to give it another go.
Some great information on that thanks for sharing
Thank you!
Extremely helpful video - thank you.
Well, thank you for that comment. I am not sure how helpful it can be, but they are both excellent systems.
good monning anthony nice cool car system nice video..
Hallo! en heel erg bedankt
Hi Anthony,
Another in depth look at this for us so thank you for showing all the systems and how they work. Although you did not mention it I assume you would need this sort of system if you wanted to use iCar to automate them in total but if its like my iTrains lots of work needed. I will look out for the next part of this to see how you got on because as you have the kit it seems a shame you cannot enjoy it so good luck.
Cheers Robert.
Faller has it's own system, so I can not speak to iCar, but I assume iCar is an attempt to integrate the digital car systems (Faller) into the same idea as iTrains!
@@ModelTrainOutsider Ok Anthony thanks for the reply.
Cheers Robert.
I prefer Mag-No-Rail and have 3 circuits on one of my European HO layouts. The plus for me ANY car can be used and major for me is the bicycles which greatly adds to realism. I prefer Artitec vehicles for their ultra realism. It is not hard to install, just takes some time and planning. For first time users I would recommend you build on small sheet of plywood to get the experience, then dissemble for parts. I build mine the size I wanted on plywood and then incorporated it on the layout.
I screw down the route and use foam cut out and glued down to bring up to almost to ground level. Plastic chain and motor installed, and area is covered with very large sheets of photographic paper, slick surface up. This can be painted or use of marker pens to create country road or whatever you wish. I have a couple videos posted so take a look. Not the best videos as that's not what I do but a highly detailed HO European layout. The circuits are automated using Marklin Central Station CS3+.
Each company comes with pros and cons, as I say in the video. Magnorail is fantastic, but limited in what it can do. Faller and Viessman offer more alternatives, but have their limitations because of price and size of vehicles for motors. I like both, went with Faller.
Thanks Anthony for sharing
My pleasure!! Thank you (Merci beaucoup!) for watching!
There are some inaccuracies regarding Viessmann. The distance control between vehicles works with infrared, not with magnets and reed sensors. And the prices are not really bigger if you compare equivalent vehicles. Some Viessmann vehicles are expensive because they are complex (they have a cement mixer or a crane with lots of tiny parts etc.). But if you compare basic trucks, for example the Faller 161439 with the Viessmann 8030, you will notice that they have the exact same price, where the Faller only has a motor directly connected with the battery, and does not even have lights, while the Viessmann has lights, has a load-regulated motor capable of smooth driving at different speeds, has a decoder, has built-in anti-collision, etc. etc. (and even a possibility to add inductive charging)
@praevasc4299 Comparing similar vehicles, Viessmann are much higher. V25-50% higher. Also, at the time this video was made, Viessmann had not released some of the things you mention. I also mentioned that the Viessmann's came with more, thus the higher price.
Hey Anthony, at the Amherst show was a group that was European trains. You may have seen it was on Heaths live stream.
Hi, Guss... I saw the group. They are there each year!
Very useful video,thanks for uploading. My only gripe is the use of the word "Car" in the systems which use electric motors built in each vehicle. I have only ever seen vans, trucks and buses - no cars. Whilst limited in what the vehicles can do at least the Magnorail system allows a variety of vehicles including cars. I saw a Faller system at an exhibition and while it was impressive it soon became apparent that no cars were moving. They were there, parked up on the street but remained static. I totally get that size restricts the vehicle fleet that systems like Faller can use and if you accept that you are only ever going to see vans and larger vehicles moving then it's all good. I guess one way of incorporating cars on a Faller layout would be to use Magnorail creatively to have the occasional moving car make an appearance.
Hello, and thanks for commenting. As I mentioned, all systems have pros and cons. The "price" one pays for more realistic traffic flow requires more digital circuits and motors. The cars are coming. Viessman has some cars, including a VW Beetle. Faller has a police car and family sedan coming.
@@ModelTrainOutsiderHi, I didn't know that cars were coming. That will be very interesting, although I dread to think how much they will cost! Lol.Cheers
@@Mokkers_stuff Indeed. Cars for the Digital Faller are €229-€299. Here's the smallest Faller is releasing this year: www.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/Faller+car%2Dsystem/CS+Cars/Faller%2D161437/gb/modell_412526.html
@@ModelTrainOutsiderLooks cool, but gonna get expensive populating that layout methinks. Think I will stick to my DIY Magnorail version, lol.
Good video
Thanks, Lee!
Good review. 👍
Most systems have a loop.
If you are running a loop as part of a model train layout then the loop will not be as noticeable, because the main focus should be the trains?
Looking forward to seeing your system in action 👍
Happy modelling
Mon
Nice video explanation.
Very true, all the car systems do require a circuitous set up. How one arranges it and disguise elements makes it more realistic to the level one wants.
Thanks!
From 17 Hundred ours, it's - V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N (yes, the Connie Francis variant).
What better than to watch some Faller episodes😁
Our pleasure!
Ottimo video, io ho fatto un video sulle differenze tra la FALLER e VIESSMANN 😉
Cool... grazie!
Nothing to do with me!! But as always Anthony, well explained that even a numbskull like me could understand. All the best to you and Joyce.
Understood, Tim. This is my last shot at doing it this way... then I give up and make it a static display.