DJI RONIN 4D vs RED Komodo - Side-by-Side image quality comparison.
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- PLEASE NOTE : this is the second version of the video. The first version I posted was from a bad render and that might have affected your opinion. Sorry for that. Thanks for the feedback so I can see that something is actually wrong.
Many of you ask me about the quality of recorded footage from Ronin 4d, unfortunately I don't have the equipment for a scientific test, so I decided to make the simplest comparison I could think of. I built Rig on which I've managed to put ronin 4d and Red komodo so you can compare two cameras side by side and decide for yourself which one is better or maybe both are equally good.
Please remember this is not a full camera test but only a comparison of the quality of the recorded image, without any color correction or creative post-production. All I did was apply LUTs to the RAW files (DJI Log to Rec 709 & Red Lut Log 3G10 to Rec 709)
If you think this DJI Ronin 4D vs RED Komodo camera comparison is disappointing, let me know in the comments, I'll try to do something more interesting in the future, however, I hope it can be helpful to someone.
#DJIR4D #REDkomodo #TheArtOfCamera
Time stamps :
0:00 - intro
0:17 - camera comparison idea
1:00 - super 35 / full frame
1:27 - dual camera rig & lenses
2:27 - prores workflow
3:14 - side by side footage comparison - Наука та технологія
Hey Adam, thanks heaps.. I swapped camera preference from clip to clip.. I think either is great on its own.. but with all the stabilization and extras supplied with the 4D, to me it's the winner..
Watched the older version and this one and still prefer the majority of the shots from the Ronin 4D. I'm not a professional colorist or anything of the sort so this is just the "eye test." Initial reviews of the camera left me with a mixed feeling about purchasing because the image quality seemed lackluster but after watching this I'm definitely getting the Ronin. The global shutter on the RED really makes a difference in those quick panning tests. Thanks Adam and keep the Ronin content coming.
@@the180degreerule3 very! Had it not been for the name "RED" you probably would not be in such dismay, I get it. As I said, I'm not a professional, maybe you are, I do currently own a Canon C70 and I prefer what I'm seeing in the Ronin except in the baby and woman shot, and even then, the difference isn't miles apart. So in the end, you do what works for you and I'll do what works for me. Have a great day sir/mam.
THE180DEGREERULE the ronin 4D looks better in just about every way. I was shocked . This was the final test needed to confirm I will be going down the route of DJI RONIN 4D for our next cinema camera. Just can’t justify the expense of a Komodo or UMP 12k when this offers so much more bang for buck and internal recording features than everything else in its class. Showing DJI have once again reset the paradigm on what will be accepted as standard in the industry.
You might want to do the eye test again. You can't fix the 4D color vs the Komodo. No colorist can adjust the 4D color to match the Komodo. Watch the color between the two cameras when they show the Komodo image cut into the 4K image of the 4D. Look at the mid tone and shadow color of the trees between both cameras.
@@skybizvideomediaproduction6167 How? The 4D looks like a hybrid camera, like every other hybrid. Open resolve and understand the files from each camera and latitude from each camera.
Thanks for the updated video! The footage from the Komodo looks better than it did in the other version for sure. They're both obviously great cameras. The magenta shift on the Komodo is really strong when you compare them and there's still a little bit of weirdness in some of the highlights (clouds) etc. from what I can see, but I assume if you shoot with this camera a lot you know that beforehand and adjust when grading. The 4D's image seems to be a bit more rich/color accurate in the early shots, but some of the shots inside (the baby in particular) it feels like the Komodo is a more immediately pleasing image. The choppiness of the 4D during the 120 fps test on the waves early on doesn't seem consistent with other slow motion footage I've seen, though, so I'm curious as to why that's happening. Also in the quick pan shots testing the rolling shutter vs global shutter it seems like the 4D has a smoother image, even with the slight warp? Like the RED's global shutter actually comes across looking choppier.
The night time stuff is really stark in the differences, though I'd probably want to see the 4D at its native ISO of 5000 here instead of 1600 before making a real judgment. The Komodo does not seem to handle the sodium vapor from those lights very well. All in all, though, I think the whole point here is if your footage ends up looking bad or your work is uninteresting, it won't be either camera's fault 😉
The Komodo doesn't have a magenta color shift.
Hey Adam, thanks for your awesome videos, love your content! :)
thank you Eric !!
Thanks for the updated video. It would be great if perhaps you could share for download a couple of clips where both cameras are in focus and exposed evenly. Perhaps the running shot @9:00 and the beach shot @5:25 and the dock shot @3:37 ?
Great comparison! 😍 Also love the music!
Fantastic job as always.
The skintones looks now way better on the Ronin4D compared to the previous version. The Komodo has still a better dynamic range. You can see it in the eye socket of the womans face.The shadows are falling softer.
But the Ronin4D is really impressive. Mark II could be a very serious competitor in the future. The setup needs to be lighter, smaller and schould handle 1,5 kg lenses. In that case Canon,Sony and RED should getting really nervous.
Very informative & helpful. Thanks.
the ronin 4D looks better in just about every way. I was shocked . This was the final test needed to confirm I will be going down the route of DJI RONIN 4D for our next cinema camera. Just can’t justify the expense of a Komodo or UMP 12k when this offers so much more bang for buck and internal recording features than everything else in its class. Showing DJI have once again reset the paradigm on what will be accepted as standard in the industry. I love it - Well done DJI
Do you work for DJI? Why are you repeating the same trolling spam comment over and over again?
I find that in 2/3 shots i liked the DJI's footage bit better, however in other instances the highlight roll off and at times the color seemed better on Red.
I think 4D is overall amazing Gimbal Camera for general use. It's the first one of its kind so I am sure we will get to see more and more improvements with it.
Only the global shutter homers will beg to hold onto the Komodo. The Ronin 4D is an absolute assassin for projects.
That looks cold! 🥶
Can't wait for my Ronin to be delivered!!!
So pumped to be getting it. It honestly looked better in every situation shown...yes it's uploads to UA-cam but they did appear better...not to mention no stabilization considered into this.
Pumped!!!
One year later, how have you enjoyed the 4D?
Are the Samyang lenses you used the VDLSR MK2? How are they on the Ronin 4d? i can't find other cine lenses light enough to be mounted on the Ronin 4D expect of the super expensive Leicas and i was interested in the Samyang since they are cheap and versatile
either way beautiful shots
Thanks Adam for all your videos. And in my opinion I really think that Dji did something amazing with the Ronin 4D and its very competitive with Red
Very interesting and a big thank you for the test results, however the cost of the cameras are out of my league.
thanks for this task. it is helpful.
One thing to take into account is that although the 24mm and 35mm are from the same family, they were released at different times and the 35mm has a much better optical quality than the 24mm. I have tested this and also read it in forums. So it.s a slight advantage for the Ronin, which stills, amazes
Agreed. 24mm Rokinon is horrible until stopped way down. 24mm has soft edges and strange glow when opened up plus just not usable until a 2.8 typically. 35mm is much better. Not a fair comparison. Better to use two Zeiss or two Leicas or anything newer except Samyang 😑
@@StephenBrevig agreed
Super comparison,is it possible to put EF lenses on ronin 4d?
I just ordered the 4d 8K. The sample clips you have on this video are excellent. Depending on what you showed, I liked one camera over the other. But it’s very subjective.
Overall I find the default color rendering of the 4D more pleasing. The Komodo leans hard into the yellows at times and the magenta in some of the outdoor shots is over the top. At the same time, the Komodo captures much more color detail compared to the 4D, where the DJI often looks a bit muted. Bottom line, the 4D holds its own in this image quality comparison (depending on the visual style you plan to shoot), and as an all-in-one, jump out of the car and start shooting package, the 4D can be a flexible tool (within its limited lens range), but when you need to work with bigger glass, the 4D looks like a kludgey mess and I don’t have confidence the mount and particularly the gimbal will stand up to the strain of holding cine lenses, no matter how well the support system is rigged.
Thanks... Good job!
The footage from the Komodo has more accurate colors and motion cadence, but the Ronin overall is much more flexible of a camera rig and I think more useful in more applications. If you're shooting a single camera drama, go with the Komodo. If you're shooting action, or music videos/commercials I'd go with the Ronin. But really, $7k gets you a full camera system, including a gimbal and lidar focus.
Can you compare the blackmagic 6k pro w/ DZOfilm 20-55 to the ronin 4d w/ the same lens?
Do you know if Ronin 4D can send clean sdi/Hdmi ? Maybe Recording externally on a BlackMagicVideo monitor ? So we could all use footage on Davinci
In plans there will be sdi module one day
Tired of people not doing the Red justice on UA-cam. You are losing so SO much dynamic range by using lower iso outside. 800 or 1600 and ND down to retain those highlights. I think the DJI looks good but next to whatever garbage you made the Red into alters the viewers perspective. It instantly makes me question your abilities, almost as if you're trying to make the camera look way worse than it actually is.
I searched for this comment. Totally agree!
Yea people forget that reviews are still skill based as well as the equipment in question
Ikr. RED can beat the shit out of dji any day any where any place 🤣 infact red raven is sufficient to fck dji 4 🙃
@@warfaceindiablackburnfire330 someone woke up with a sore ass.
@@pedrosanchez4035 someone needs electronics engineering education 🙂
Does the 4D in gimbal lock position allow to use heavier lenses like the 24-70 and 70-200?
or will it through error messages?
i was looking same question
I wondered if anyone had advice on 3rd party lenses? I want to do some macro, along with some alternates to the Sony lenses
Small tip: Ronin 4D isn't supported but for other types cameras you can use Raw Convertor for convert PRR footage into cDNG (compressed or not) and take full advantage of RAW ;-)
The highlights, dynamic range and the colours of the DJI seems to look better here - mostly:)
No, thats just colors/sharpness/Noise reduction. The DR of the Komodo is better. Have a look at the eye socket of the womans face. The shadow is softer and therefore more DR.
Komodo is a beast with details... I'm going to get me one.. Thanks for the comparison
that's weird, in every shot I thought Ronin beat Komodo in detail. Although Komodo had a bad lens on
Thanks for the video. The DJI, IMHO, looks better in most cases.
I dont shoot much in run and gun situations but the Ronin 4D is by far better !! and cost only 1K more than the Komodo ? this is a no brainer !!
Great choice of cameras to compare... DJI Ronin 4D has brighter shots for me.
10:42 Pause when the baby turns around. See the highlights on the face and hair. RED got great dynamic range. Your thoughts on a speed booster fir the RED.
Samyang has sharp lenses, but the color fidelity is really inconsistent between their lenses. I once used 2 copies of the 24mm and one had a very green cast and lots of vignetting while the other one had a deeper bluish cast. If you stick with Samyang / Rokinon, it might be better to do this test with the same lens on both cameras. Or, you could use higher quality glass. Canon, Sigma, Zeiss, and Leica are all much more consistent in color across lenses, even though the vignetting will vary.
Thanks for this. Definitely the red quality is sooooo good
I wouldn't use the Komodo for it's 120p - mushy and pretty average. It's global shutter doesn't feel like as much an advantage. If some lens manufacturers can support the Ronin 4D with purpose built lenses as some kind of partnership, I think this could be REAL nice. I'd happily shoot with either though but at this point I'm liking the Ronin images more.
it.s not a camera or a lens anymore, it.s about the vision
wow fab video comparison - the 4D is the winner for me - have ordered the 8K Ronin!
What made you go for the 8k instead of the 6k
@@mikohunt4148 i always buy top of the range - no other reason really :-) just like gadgets - Im not in the filming business either so have no clients for this other than just to play with it
@@speedbird737 mkay I hate you 🤣😂🤣 I wish I was buying it just cause I had the money to burn on hobbies too but good on you my guy hope you enjoy the camera
@@mikohunt4148 cheers Miko - I know I'm strange - I bought the A1 and the A7RIV and A7SIII at release - only used the A1 a few times haven't used the others - I think I have a problem lol - hopefully I will start making youtube videos one day and use these devices! take care
@@speedbird737 🤣😂🤣 I do the same but with cheaper items like bottled water
Ronin is Amazing.....wow...i'm gonna think about orderer 1😍
The quality is very much alike but DJI stood out on the colors for me, The DJI shots look more natural, ayt?
so excited to get my ronin 4d.... but real talk for all of us who bought this thing the full package was much closer to around 16-18k for everything. and no one is really talking about that, and at the price point not going to lie because this is a MOTION based system, WHY WHY WHY is it not global shutter.... my only issue so far with this is the rolling shutter.
Yea I damn near sh!t a brick when I saw the dji ssd was $800 🙃
Rolling shutter on Komodo is really steppy looking. Not sure it’s actually better 🤷🏽♂️
Iso 320 on the Komodo in daylight? Well of course you'll get clipped highlights. Iso 800 and ND down.
how come higher iso is better with highlights?
i dont have any but looking at this video, the dji colors is mostly better, the red has better image quality. if i was to pick one based on this video, id go for the red because colors can easily be adjusted in post, but if i was to pick one in reality i would go for the dji because its more versatile. at this stage, i feel its very nitpicking. great videos can be done on both. good video tho.
Why are the highlights so yellow on the red footage?
320 iso outside is why. He's losing a solid stop and a 3rd in the highlights by having a lower iso shooting raw outside. The way the r3d codec is designed to put it simply, is iso is light sensitivity. It doesn't alter the amount of dynamic range, just where it is placed. You're supposed to expose with aperture and ND, if you're outside 800 or 1600 iso then nd down to get a proper middle gray.
I bet that he's blowing out the red and green channels to get that yellow blown out highlight looks as well because of the lack of ND used.
@@billiampotter That's kinda what, I thought, Red footage is meant to be shot low iso when it's dark, and high iso in daylight, I'd never go to 1600, but he should have shot at least 1250 for how bright that scene looked
@@AxTechs 1600 in a normal environment is too much but in a well lit scene I'm actually a big fan of how it looks. Gives a very pleasing rolloff and a gritty look. It adds a little grain but little to non chromatic noise. Adding a nr node in resolve and bringing chromatic reduction to 6 or so, cleans it right up.
Detest the rolling shutter on the DJI for $7k....
That said. In almost every other shot - kind of seemed like the DJI has a better cleaner image. Especially in the slow motion.
Wished you didn't use Rokinons for the test. Complete waste of time in my opinion since the 24mm Rokinon is horrible in comparison to the 35mm, just ask anyone who owns a set. Something is wrong with the 24mm but 35mm looks decent. I sold my set due to the inconsistencies between some of the lenses (mostly the 24mm and 16mm) but please try the test again with maybe Zeiss or Leica or even Tokina. Something with more quality control. Unfortunate since you took so much time...
I'd 1000% rather work with Komodo. The 4D didn't look bad, but Komodo footage is just on a different level. Having said that, the 4D is an exciting product not because of what it can do, but because of what it promises going forward.
Shooting at 320 is artificially hampering the Komodo.. I mean if you had shot at 1280 or something to expose for highlights, that makes sense, but if you exposed for 320.. there's very little need for exposing for darks.
The red is super IR polluted. All that magenta is not normal
It the Variable ND he is using thats giving that IR pollution.
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Those samyangs are awful when wide open. Would be better if you pick sigma 18-35 and 20-35 instead
Here I am thinking the Red Komodo is the beast all this time but it seems the 4D can actually surpass its footage quality.
the DJI images looks a lot better
4d is sharp and not cinematic at all. Comodo so much more smooth & organic. Motion blur and read out filmic. Not as Alexa but of course for this prize point unbeatable.
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DJI 4D is a rolling shutter while Komodo is Global Shutter. I think DJI accommodated rolling shutter with LIDR.
Komodo wins this one but I can make "osmo pocket 1" look cinematic so it doesn't matter to me. It depends on the videographer
The Ronin has much more contrast, but it also looks like the Red is overall sharper.
The color on the Komodo is miles ahead of the 4D, you need to know where to look. Once you see it it's over.
why does everyone care about rolling shutter. Who cares. Your still going to win the highest accolades in a film festival with rolling shutter. Makes zero difference. And if your on a huge budget job, then there is a budget for an arri and a steadycam.
The red is so much clearer, I can't believe the price point of the Ronin 4D and I'm not a Red fan but Red wins here.
Red wins without any doubt 🙃
Red has more cinematic look than Ronin 4D
Lmao …. Is this a joke….. prores raw to red raw??? This is probably the dumbest comparison in UA-cam today….. comparing dji to Red🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You youtubers never fail to make me laugh
Ps learn to grade son
Ikr 🤣
Your rude and not helpful, there are otherways to be constructive
@@MylonasFilms Why you so mad bruh? Let me guess you bought this crap and Your're now stuck with a $7000 paper weight......Still doesn't change the fact it's crappy camera that's not selling lmao.....and cant' touch red>>>>>dji should stay in their lane...and make more Mini drones.....Lmao
@@MylonasFilms nice videos btw....Lmao
@@MylonasFilms but this guy is right though. What constructive do u want with him. Dji vs red is itself a noob move 🙃 well i have seen worse. Red vs iphone. 🤣. Arri is king, red is queen, rest are just pawns and this aint gonna change. IMAX is GOD 🤔 and stock reels are LEGENDS ...