Two Bible Mandela Effects 🤯
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2023
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The phrase "the lion shall lie down with the lamb" is a popular cultural reference that many people attribute to the Bible. However, this exact phrase does not actually appear in the Bible.
The phrase is likely a conflation of two separate verses in the book of Isaiah. The first is Isaiah 11:6, which states: "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them."
The second verse is Isaiah 65:25, which reads: "The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord."
It's possible that the popular misquote of the Bible has arisen from the fact that both of these verses depict unlikely pairs of animals living together in peace. However, it's worth noting that the actual verses refer to different animals - Розваги
I think that probably came from illiterate yet creative Sunday school teachers lol.
I don’t know about illiterate, but I’m pretty sure you got to get creative when trying to wrangle a bunch of bored kids and make them listen to the days lesson 😅
@@attackduck9768 im not sure about creative sunday teachers, but illeterate arab is right, in the quran its mentioned that they mocked noah, and prophet mohammed was illiterate.. so there you have it
More credit goes to the Publisher than to the "literate teachers". Teachers don't have that much control over the curriculum.
More likely is that it’s a combination of the concept of Jesus being both the Lion of Judah and the Lamb that was slain in Revelation 5:5-6 and the WHOLE of Isaiah 11:6 which reads “In that day the wolf and the lamb will live together; the leopard will lie down with the baby goat. The calf and the yearling will be safe with the lion, and a little child will lead them all.”
Yes, I have definitely heard Sunday school teachers and pastors alike ad-libbing dialogue and supposing what people's reactions at the time would have been.
Some of them got quite creative, acting out scenes and dialogue, which was entertaining, but most likely thoroughly incorrect as they were always based on how modern man in our own community would have reacted. 🙄
I hadn’t heard the part about the wolf lying next to the lamb before but when you said lamb I automatically assumed it would be a wolf. Wolves and lambs have always been depicted as enemies and the idea of enemies being at peace in paradise seemed exactly like the kind of thing they’d go for
Yeah I’ve never actually heard about any of these versions of the stories I assumed it would be a wolf and didn’t think people were laughing at noah either. 🤷
Wait im confused what do you mean by the last part
@@Chancey388well if you wanted to sell someone the idea of a paradise of peace you'd describe a predator and prey laying next to each other in harmony wouldnt you?
@midnightwalkers8077 i heard from my scholars, he say one of the proof the end of the world is coming that Jesus will make a comeback and he will fix what's wrong in the world(like people who wrongly worship him) and when he rules there will be no split among human and the peace can be likened to wolf can live with sheep
The scripture ALWAYS was " The Lion will lay down with the lamb."
This is a far more disturbing phenomenon them people realize. It was also prophesied in the Bible.
The Noah part may have been from the Jewish Talmud (Sanhedrin 108b). It talks about how the people were asking Noah what the ark was for and insulting him about it.
Nah, that would be understandable though. Most Christians don't even know what the Talamud is and is for. That may be why it was included in the Will Feral movie in which he played Noah but that movie is undoubtedly why people think it's in The Bible.
@@CynHicks the Quran also has it as people mentioned (the Quran borrowed from ancient Hebrew stories, and the Talmud was compiled before the Quran was made) so that may be related
I think it’s also logic, or should I say sinful human nature, he was living during a horrible time(I was just reading about all the nations that would’ve been warring yesterday in something completely unrelated to scripture), we know that, he was building an ark based on faith that was way bigger than a foot ball field. He also likely hired neighbors to help build it. Money literally was about to become worthless and he was probably mocked for losing all of his money into a project like this, but those collecting it didn’t care. The picture in peoples heads as they read the scripture is what would happen if they did that, people would mock you.
In II Peter 2:5, Noah is called a "preacher of righteousness." “And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly.” Hebrews 11:7 tells us that the results of his preaching were, “By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.“
Yeah, I'm told the Torah is commentary on the Testament, the Talmud is commentary on the Torah. If I have that the right way around, it's why I reserve statements on 'The Bible' until I've really checked stuff out, some simple stories in that Pentateuch get seriously unfolded and added to.
The passage you quote has 3 animal pairs, wolf/lamb, lion/calf, and leopard/goat and all 3 pairs are representing the same state of being.
The reason the verse gets paraphrased as lion/lamb in English is probably due largely to alliteration "Lion Lay down with the Lamb" is easy for kids to remember. The fact that the new testament uses both lion and lamb as symbols or titles for the Christ is likely another reason those two get used together. When paraphrasing something repetitive there is no reason to give all 3 examples.
Maybe also that thing about the weather in the month of March. Where it's something like "March comes in like a Lion and goes out like a Lamb"
I think that the Lion and the Lamb picture people get is partially from how Jesus gets called throughout the Bible: the sacrificial Lamb and the Lion of Judah
That was my thought to. I was like lion and lamb are words for Jesus
agreed
@@foggylog19 Correct...
It’s also in songs. So the lyricist might have had this incorrect memory from the Lion of Judah thing and then put it in words using a song, accidentally
It alliterates nicely in English too, and lions are in the next verse.
I think i have an explanation for the noah one. The "making fun of him" part isn't in the bible. But it is in the quran. So i imagine it could be cultural osmosis
Is it also in the epic of Gilgamesh which predates the Bible by how many years?
@@valfreyaaurora4922 i don't think so no
The Epic of Gilgamesh isn’t even about a flood, and the ridiculing stories probably are from books like the “book of Enoch” etc, also judging by its presence in the Quran (there are a lot of apocryphal stories picked up by the Quran)
@@avzarathustra6164 There absolutely is a flood story in the Epic of Gilgamesh. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh_flood_myth
@@avzarathustra6164
Not apocryphal, rejected by a church.
The Coptic Church doesn't reject them.
My mother-in-law has a refrigerator magnet with this verse and it says lion, she got it back in the 80s 😮
I think you meant lamb
Wow can you take a photo of that please?! It's very important for people researching Mandela residuals! 🙏
A shirt I bought in Israel in 2011 has a drawing of a lion and a lamb lying down together with Isaiah 11:6 quoted under it. The drawing is the same, the verse now says "the wolf will lie with the lamb" 💀
The lion is in the later part of the verse, but isn't about the lion laying down with the lamb.
The Lion will eat straw.
@@eightywight That’s as I remember it too. Hoped that’s not also a Mandela effect.
Yeah I just went and checked. It's pretty dishonest of him to say it's nowhere to be found in the text.
@@JustyMe He never said that tho... he talked specifically about this part about the lamb only
I saw so many pictures or paintings of the lion and the lamb that I thought it was in the Bible.
I remember teachers telling me that about Noah and his neighbors, but I went to Catholic schools and they don't read the Bible.
"In that day the wolf and the lamb will live together; the leopard will lie down with the baby goat. The calf and the yearling will be safe with the lion, and a little child will lead them all." This is the whole quote, so u can see how someone might shorten it up in their mind
Ah yup, I can definitely see how how that Mandela effect could occur. Thanks!
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Nope. It’s a lion. It’s always been a lion and it will remain lion until the day I die. 😊
Thank you for saying this so I didn’t have to type it 😂. This just shows what lengths some will go to just to make some content
@@yoerigroothuis1226uh what?
This perfectly illustrates why it's so important to read your Bible often so that you aren't mislead by a misquote.
The same thing happened to Eve in the garden when she misquoted the instructions of God to the Serpent.
The rule was to not eat but she added another layer and said not to touch the fruit revealing a weakness and setting herself up for failure. Probably when she realized it's ok to touch she figured it should be ok to eat.
Well then you have to trust that whoever translated it tried their damndest to reflect the original text with accuracy of what was meant at the time which is really unlikely
who cares?
Personally i don't read it at all, can't be misled if i don't care 😎
It's disturbingly sad how many "Bible believin" church people never ACTUALLY read the Bible itself
I am a PK (Preacher's Kid) and these Bible Mandela effects blow my mind. There are a few more out there that are just baffling to many people including me; but I don't want to spoil the fun of discovery for any of you nice people... There are some great videos on the tube to watch in this... Happy hunting.
The first one is probably due to
a.) the lion being later mentioned in the verse
b.) the pair of animals being commonly used in the same sentence (i.e. “in like a lion, out like a lamb”)
Or c.) alliteration
Also, the Book of Revelation features a Lion who is also a Lamb.
@@stevesmith291yeah, both depictions of Jesus as Messiah.
Also maybe it’s because lions seem to be a common thing throughout the Bible, especially the Old Testament
The relation between Jesus being the lamb and the lion could also lead to this phenomenal misunderstanding
Never underestimate the power of alliteration. We say things that our mouth likes.
Lion and lamb alliterate, but wolves are more commonly predators of sheep.
Of course, you realize that nowadays wolves DO cohabitate with lambs; admittedly, it's a rather _evolved_ wolf, known as a sheepdog.
@Nate H Not sure what point you're going for there, Nate, unless it would be so you could conclude "...by men," in which case you really should have made it "...by men and women," since scholarly exegesis suggests parts reveal feminine composition.
My point was about wolves and much of my source material was the Nova special, "Wolf in the Fold," which reveals that the herding behaviour so useful to shepherds is not something humans cultivated in domestic dogs but is shaped natural lupine behaviour. The sheep herding dog is much closer to the wolf than other breeds of dog; in fact, breeders (of the Australian cattle dog in particular) periodically reinject wolf into the pedigree to keep the instinct strong.
@Nate H Clearly it's important to you that God or gods had no contribution to the Bible. You could have just said that and avoided wandering around the barn to preach the obvious antiquity of Man's Best Friend.
Incidentally, in the Middle East, it was probably the goat that was the first domesticated animal.
Can we just come together and go “woooaaa dogs chill with sheep and stuff!” And feel wholesome greatness in the fact that we might be walking in righteous footsteps instead of find any way to be combative regardless of who confronted who, like as someone who’s paranoid about allot it makes me very happy to hear that wolves (albeit domesticated) are chillin with sheep like buddies regardless of religious implications. Let’s derive joy from that instead of starting an argument about something that isn’t even relating to it, or continuing that war
@Nate H Dogs 🐕 are *much* older than any other domesticated animal.
5 000 years+. Probably closer to 25 000 years+.
It is very hard to know because dogs 🐕 didn’t stop 🛑🍆 interbreeding with wolves 🐺, except deliberately, until basically the advent of civilisation. That makes genetic 🧬 analysis kind of inconclusive.
@@professorkhepri Seems you're unhappy about something, but I can't discern what it is.
A wolf makes more sense than a lion.
In 1 Samuel 17:34 David defended his sheep from lions and bears. Lions definitely lived in Israel at the time.
@@hopeandlife1123 yeah, but nobody expects sheep dogs to protect the hurd from a lion. Its typically wolves that go after sheep, not lions.
Lions stick to the mountains or the woods.
There is a part in the Book of Mormon where Nephi was commanded to build a ship, but laman and Lemuel were mocking him.
The kids animated and book versions definitely added those details
“The wolf will be lion down with the lamb” - I think I see the confusion 😂
Isaiah 11:6 says wolf.
Read what the original commenter said, but slower this time @@HuewhaYue
@@HuewhaYuelaying down
lion down
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c'mon man
@@vladimirirkhin my Apologies!
My point was in agreement with the content creator that the text said “wolf”
I searched several translations.
I have over 60 different English translations.
However, the pun was insightful and humorous!
Thanks for that!
The Levity is much appreciated.
🤣🤣🤣
Honestly, about the ark, it feels like as much as it might’ve never actually been there, it does sometimes feel like the texts get slightly edited constantly in small ways you’d never notice
I remember reading a whole document of a pastor's sermon where he talked about the lion and the lamb. He even used Isaiah. The most amazing thing about the document was that it was as if the verse had changed and the sermon was unaffected.
In Sunday school I specifically was told by my teacher about the lion and lamb. There was a huge picture hung up on the wall of a lion and lamb as well.
The picture could be something else. Jesus is portrayed as a lamb and also as the Lion of Judah.
I think it's a simple mix up lions are pretty common in the bible
@@Turner-ex4ydand yet lions don't exist in that part of the world. Maybe they had zoos and tour buses like we do.
@@TheAnantaSesa you do realizes how far the bible spans as far as land goes right?
@@TheAnantaSesalook up the historic range of lions. They used to live from Greece to South Africa to India to the Caucasus.
"וגר זאב עם כבש ונמר עם גדי ירבץ"
And the wolf will live with the lamb , and the leopard will lay down with the goat
Isaiah 11
It says leopard there but after translating it you say tiger
Yeah, no mention of lion.
@@FancyPantaloonsnope it says leopard in Hebrew
@@iddodavni That's google translate not doing it's job well then, my bad
@@iddodavnihow did you get that translation
I first learned all these stories from an illustrated children's Bible. I have distinct memories of both a picture of a lion lying next to a lamb, and a picture showing people mocking Noah for building the ark though I don't remember if that came with a description of this mockery or not.
The full verse say that the wolf will be a guest of the lamb, that the leopard will lie down with the young goat, and that the calf and the young lion shall browse together, being guided by little children. (Not exact words, and from the NABRE version) so it does mention both a lion and a lamb but not directly together.
Wolf's exactly what my Bible (version RV 2960 - Spanish) says. I have many Bible versions in English, too, and some mix the animals.
I think the first one might be because Jesus is referred to as the lion of Judah and the bloodied lamb, and in a pretty popular Christian song it talks about “ the lion and the lamb” and continues to reference the position of Jesus as these two animals, the song, named The Lion and the Lamb, as well.
Hmm, what song is that? Cause my family is all LDS, and we just kind of assumed it was because of a particular LDS hymn that references the lion and lamb lying down together, not realizing this Mandela effect is alive and well in the Christian community overall.
@@matthewmitchell3457 There is a song with the lines "And the Lion shall lay down with the lamb/And there'll be no war nor famine any more/ In the land of the Great I Am." Which I think is inspired by that passage he referenced. That passage _also_ mentions a lion a couple lines down; just not with a lamb in the same line. Combining "lion" and "lamb" is probably just for alliteration.
@@matthewmitchell3457"Our God is a Lion
The Lion of Judah
He's roaring in power
And fighting our battles
And every knee will bow before Him.
Our God is a Lamb
The Lamb that was Slain
For the sins of the world
His Blood breaks the chains
And every knee will bow before the Lion and the Lamb
Every knee will bow before Him.
Every knee will bow before the Lion and the Lamb.
Every knee will bow before Him."
That’s probably where the confusion arose
@@duckymomo7935 there is no confusion, it’s just paraphrasing the verse.
“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.”
Isaiah 11:6 KJV
"He endured death as a lamb; he devoured it as a lion."-Augustine, Sermon 375A
Rev 5:5-6 and Isaiah 11:6. Combine those two and the error is easy to understand.
Please inform yourself about Islam and the Quran In Shaa Allah
Augustine is not Scripture though.
@@amlz8852 ??? If you're trying to convert people, I will too. How about you inform yourself about the bible and Christianity?
@@araeshkigal Augustine, however, defined a huge part of Christianity's theology. Like the ideas of original sin, that love is at the heart of reason, that there is a universal love and Christians strive to be part of it. I'm not surprised that an Augustinian reference became a symbol of this universal love--the lion will lie with the lamb.
I know where I got the ideas from. Music on both accounts. The song Peacemaker by The Steel Drivers mentions "when the lion lays down with the lamb then you wont find me in nobody's hand. Until that time I will remain, til the sinners lay down with the saints".
And I got the Noah one from The Devil Makes Three in their song Help Yourself "Our father art in heaven hallowed be thy name told Noah to build a boat on the dryest of days and everybody in the neighborhood said old Noah was insane. I guess when the waters receded, now, the truth was plain."
I think the wolf/lamb -> lion/lamb thing was done solely for alliteration. While the Noah one was changed probably to make the story a little more compelling. If Noah was surrounded by doubters criticising his actions, it makes his devotion to the words he recieved from God even more admirable. And it appeals to an audience of Christians who feel like their beliefs are being doubted by more and more people every generation. They empathise with Noah's vindication as he was proven right and everyone else died for the crime of 'not being God's special boy'.
i'ven never heard of the noah thing before this video
Hollywood, pretty much anything inaccurate to text that enters the popular discourse (Abraham Lincolns 'deep' voice, Sherlock Holmes 'always' wearing a deerstalker hat etc.) comes from an iconic film adaptation, that supplanted the original in the world's collective psyche.
This is why Bible study is so important. It's very easy for cultural misconceptions to be incorporated into our thinking as fact.
Well said. That’s what this channel is mostly about 🙏
@@_magnify the Quran mentions people mocking Noah. I guess this Mandela effect is God trying to affirm the truth within us? Go read the Quran bro
@@Leo-wy1by or it could just be a culture mixing that caused the effect 🤷🏻♂️
@@randomstufffromachristian2287 so Christians teaching other Christians something that’s in the Quran, but they don’t know it’s in the Quran, but they take it as the truth.
Nice
@@Leo-wy1by which Quran are you referring to?
I believe the Noah's story came also from extra canonical books such as the book of Enoch and the book of Jasher.
Yes
The Quran also mentions that the people around Noah were ridiculing him
but not the real book of Jasher, which is lost
@@bartholomeustheodoor yes and that probably comes from the versions of bible used in arabia that time by certain chriatian groups that later was not mainstream anymore
Non canonical is still based
Don’t forget the wine skins
Me having never thought either of these things….
I mean the second one is one of those things where you’re like “you can probably imagine that would have happened”, but that’s very heavy reading between the lines.
I’ve literally never read the Bible, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard of that passage, yet I still thought “Oh probably a lion, right?”
same here, except i guessed wolf. never heard of a lion eating a lamb.
Nah, fam. It said a wolf was _lyin'_ with the lamb, so, y'know... homonyms.
@@FlatOnHisFaceyeah, but I think the text is about enemies and allies all laying down their fight, so that everyone may live together in peace. I think it's not just about animals, but the animals make for a nice analogy. That text is about how the 1000 year kingdom of Christ on earth would be like. So in that context a lamb and a wolf would be a more powerful example since sheep are not lion's prey in nature, but they are a wolf's prey.
@Chariza_rd How many times are people going to misinterpret one book? Sorry, but it's frustrating. See, it's about how two animals from different climates will live next to each other. It's Parable for bringing the world together. Since wolves and sheep have always lived in the same place, that wouldn't be special at all. The Bible predicted petting zoos. That's what Noah's ark was about.
@@FlatOnHisFace You say my interpretation is wrong, but yours might as well be wrong too. These kinds of books are OLD. And the cultural understanding to properly interpret this book might be lost to time.
Your interpretation IS NOT THE ONLY ONE. That doesn't mean it's wrong. And other's interpretations aren't wrong either.
I said "I think" not "I'm right"
Noah being clowned by his neighbors is a Bill Cosby bit.
That's brilliant about Cosby. Millions listened to him, it would be hard to overestimate his influence on culture
almost fifty years ago we listened to the comedy record; that was the last record ever played in my house
Shooba shooba shooba... ding
The idea predates Bill Cosby. I couldn't tell you how far it predates him, but I do know that pentacostal ministers in the 40s also taught the story of Noah this way.
"Right! ...am I on Candid Camera!"😂
In the Adam and Eve story, not only is the fruit never specified to be an apple, the snake is never even implied to be "the devil", "satan" or anything even remotely resembling a (fallen) angel.
Additionally, many artworks depict the snake as a regular limbless snake while the original snake had limbs that it would lose as a punishment after it made Eve eat the fruit.
In dutch translations Jesiah 11:6 is along the lines of "the wolf is the guest of the lamb, the panther lays next to the sheep, the calf and the lioncub grow up together and a child will be able to herd them"
Everyone remembers the people laughing at Noah, no one remembers Lot and his daughters.
Genesis 19:14?
Grossest part of the bible
They wanted to keep the DNA going..
It must have been harder to meet new people back then, especially when they're like,
"hey where are you from?"
{{Nervous laughter}}
I do..wish I didn’t
I do!
When I was a kid there were a series of children's bible books that were in every doctor's office and everywhere. Those books I believe were the ones that mentioned Lion and Lamb and also the story about Noah. I think it seemed real, so we accepted it as from the bible.
My Bible said lion
@@RapturereadyforJesus Which one?
@@RubelliteFae I remember the kjv when I got saved in the late 1970’s. A lot of verses have changed.
@@RapturereadyforJesus "The wolfe also shall dwell with the lambe, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid and the calfe and the yong lion, and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them."-Isaiah 11:6 from the 1611 King James Bible
A lot of extrabiblical stuff gets passed down culturally over the generations. Combine that with understanding that the KJV isn't a particularly accurate translation and that's why I switched to the ISR (Institute for Scriptural Research) version. Preachers/Pastors are trained on specific interpretations. The whole point of the Protestant Reformation was that everyone should be able to interpret for themselves instead of being told what means what.
@@RubelliteFae I am not sure how old you are, but I distinctly remember lion. Thanks for the information!🌈
I remember that the follow up description and discussion included the extra part. We were kids but still, it s like expanding the mythos...
I had always assumed that I was reading an "updated" version.
I think sometimes we draw connections with other verses that reference Christ as the Lion of Judah, and the lamb, so it would be natural to assume the same language there.
Thats what i was thinking. People know of the "lying down with the lamb" verse and since Jesus is the sacrificial lamb and also the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, they get twisted. My parents have artwork in their house that depicts the two together referencing jesus, but itd be very easy to think of the wolf and sheep verse when seeing the image.
No the teaching 'the lion shall lie down with the lamb comes from Isaiah 11:6-9. it's not accurate to say that we simply imagine this and never at once read the bible. It's in the chapter 11. It refers to all the animals lying down with one another.
Bassically "The lion with lie down with the lamb" is a easy way to memorize the Bible passage.
Another one for you: Saul did not become Paul when he was saved. The two names are used based on his location and audience
Woahhh
Both things can be true. The text does refer to him as Saul before his conversion and Paul after his conversion.
I’ve known people who went through a big change in life and started to go by their middle name as a way of separating themselves from their former life. Just because both are their real name already, doesn’t mean they didn’t make a change.
Saul was a well-known Pharisee before his conversion. As part of his travels to a Latin-speaking population and leaving his Pharisee life behind, it makes sense that he’d stop using the Hebrew form of his name and start using the Latin-friendly form.
So yeah, it’s probably not as simple as “the name change happened because of his conversion”, but it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
Another cynical way of looking at it is branding. He was on a mission to convert people. Many of his audience would have been familiar with stories of God changing Abram and Jacob’s names in the Old Testament. Making an adjustment to his own name (in a way that didn’t require any paperwork) could have been a great way to connect his own story with those of antiquity and help his message.
@@bryanparry4503 It's certainly possible, but we don't know for sure. What we do know is that his conversion coincided pretty closely with when he began his travels, which is when he would have started going by Paul either way, so it's hard to say for sure.
So you can be Jewish and a Roman soldier and kill Christians in your spare time? 🤔
And Adam never ate specifically an apple
Thanks, this was great!
I knew you would get that second one. I'm betting it comes from Hollywood films or storytellers adding their own imaginings to what the situation would look like.
This "speaks to me" regarding the one time I showed the kids in my Bible lesson class a "Superbook" cartoon.
Long story short, they're children's cartoon videos of Bible stories that involve a couple of kids travelling back in time, with a robot, super imposing themselves into the Biblical narrative.
(That's the short version..?)
Anyhow, one 8 year old asked me during the Q&A time,
"So, there were robots in the Bible?"
I remember being stunned for a moment, and thinking,
"Oh no.."
Don't forget the Flying House.
That’s the problem with shows like that.,
@@Shaner1212If you're supposed to assume that everything in it is true, then you're not going to be able to use any framing device.
"where does that come from??"
In most cases, pop-culture.
The second one is just modern media changing it a little too much for children's stories and Sunday schools
You are so right! How refreshing!
Back in the mid 70's I painted an outside mural for a neighbor that had lion and lamb standing together with the biblical passage. "When the lion fed besides the lamb, then peace was spread throughout the land"
I got saved in the 70’s and I remember lion.
@@RapturereadyforJesuslost your mind in 70s
@@tesmith47 are you related to Julio?
How old are you
Please inform yourself about Islam and the Quran In Shaa Allah
I call the second one the Sunday School affect. Sunday teachers and other forms of media adding details to make the stories more interesting and relatable but then those extra details are taken as biblical.
A tale as old as time! I love oral histories -- you get variations like that over centuries of tale-telling. You get diverse legends that all share the same theme, but have different details and nuance
Nah, people mocking Noah is from the Quran. But because of ignorance some Christians and even pastors think it’s in the Bible.
Come to the truth, come to Islam
Even Trent Horn used ‘the lion with a lamb’ phrase in debate with Alex O’Connor regarding animal suffering
James Bond
metal bracelets
I still remember that smile, which,
apparantly
never happened
Last year I read through it the first time. And WOW you could do a series on just this. Cultural memory on the Bible, even the King James Version, is so different from the text itself. Also there are many implications brought up that are seemingly ignored because it isn't outright said.
Oh cool, what are the examples? Also what text (I’m assuming your thinking translation) are you self comparing it to KJV?
If you have a ancient hebrew/English - Greek/English Old and New testament Bible like I do you'll see the NKJ Bible is just a direct English translation, with things like subjects, verbs and nouns being swapped around because that's how language is. Only time a word is changed is for a synonym(because at the time of the English translation our vocabulary was significantly smaller). For example, we are called in the English Bible God's prized creation, or valued, or prize, etc. But the actual Hebrew word is "Masterpiece", in terms of artistic creation. we just didn't have that word quite yet. Small instances like that, but you'll never see whole phrasing or sentences changed, removed or altered significantly in meaning. Its all exactly how it was.
@@ryanscoffeehour6404Funny, because the KJV was translated from Latin copies of the received Bible. So it certainly isn’t a direct translation of Hebrew or Greek. Nice try though.
@@heatherhoman887 i didn't say it was a direct translation from Greek to English, just that if you have a bible with both languages you can see its translation is direct. Meaning, each phrase is a one for one. Latin was a direct translation from Greek and Hebrew and English is a direct translation from that. If you have a bible with all three languages like I do, then you can directly compare each scripture from each language and you'll see that the KJV is direct in its English translation. Nice try though, you almost had it.
@ryanscoffeehour6404 im not sure what you mean by english was a new language... english has roots just as old as latin or arabic or hebrew...and synonyms often have very different connotations. Exp. Gust and breeze are both synonyms but gust is a sudden pulse of wind and breeze is a soft sustained wind. Aramaic and hebrew are very poetic languages with phrases that mean things that are not there direct translation. The old testament looses alot of depth in translation.
*pulls out conveniently placed bible to check*
Sir, this is American Christianity
We've "evolved" beyond needing the Bible. Our practitioners don't read anyway. Which is why a reality TV star is our new messiah...
Or Alt-Tab for us dang millennials.
@@DLlama Lol
I think the lion thing come from a versicle that talk about the lion eaten along the lamb
The second one made me rethink my knowledge sooo much.
I actually knew the first one and the second one feels like I was taught that in Sunday school as an extrapolation of what was happening. But when you brought it up, I definitely couldn't cite a verse for it.
Same.
Yeah same lol. I went to catholic school grades 1-8 and my teachers definitely told us about the people hating on Noah. It’s funny to know now that they made it up.
For the Noah story, I remember those details being included on Frank Peretti's "Wild and Wacky Totally True Bible Stories: All about faith" audio CD. I used to fall asleep every night listening to his CDs, so I'm almost 100% positive those details are included, but I'm having trouble finding the Noah story on UA-cam to confirm.
Maybe just read Noahs story?
Likely conjecture based on Mt 24:37-39; Lu 17:26, 27; and 2Pe 2:5.
Omg i remember those!
I loved those books as a kid!
@@Southernstereotype they’re referring to the Mandela effect happening to them because of some Bible story they heard on CD as a kid, not just from reading that specific Bible story…
I recall that some children's books taught the stories this way in the 70s and 80s.
I remember reading about both of those stories, and i have no idea how so many of us could have read the same things, but remembered it wrong in the same way
My favorite biblical Mandela effect is that there is no angel of death killing the firstborn as the tenth plague in exodus.
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@@_magnify yup. No angel of death. Blew my fucking mind.
There's basically no Sata through the Bible either. Barely a metion. That was syncretism with other faiths forthe most part. Often cited is pagan faith but i actually wonder if there is some Zoroastrian in there when xtians start with the good vs evil thing, as Zoroastrian doesn't have a dissimilar story to be fair...although i know ultimately there is this war with false prophet it Revelations and a battle of Armageddon etc.
True, the “destroyer” is never explicitly mentioned to be an angel, though if the destroyer is not God himself, it’s assumed that it’s an angel, since other iterations of the destroyer are mentioned to be an angel or a multitude of angels.
Another one is people thinking Adam and Eve ate an Apple
@genz_ False Prophet
Islam is not the Bible g@genz_
@zahranoor8537that Islam degrades the crucifixion of Jesus to him never being killed but just someone God made to look like him which Jesus is the Messiah and our only hope not to mention allowing polygamy rape and pedophilia and creating religious wars
@genz_ It doesn't state an apple in Islam. Where did you get that from? Have you even read the Qur'an?
@michaeltrumaunt We will get into the crucifixion later.
Let's discuss your other points first.
Yes Islam allows polygany. For a male that is able to have multiple wives.
Islam doesn't allow rape. So you've told a lie there. Let me educate you quickly as you sound ignorant.
Islam has a clear stance which states that RAPE is HARAM and imposes a deterrent punishment on the one who commits it.
The PUNISHMENT for RAPE in Islam is the same as the punishment for zina, which is STONING if the perpetrator is married, and ONE HUNDRED LASHES and BANISHMENT for ONE YEAR if he is not married.
If you have any questions on Islam i can educate you. But don't lie. It just shows that you are like your father Satan who lies.
So tell me now why polygany is wrong?
The Lion and the Lamb was a story in bible school, the lamb on the ark went on an adventure and ended up sleeping under the paw of a lion.
It was supposed to answer the "why didn't the animals on the ark eat each other" question
That last one comes from movies and maybe sermons where pastors take liberties to the story to make it more juicy.
Dude. The lions are there as well in the full verse.
“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.”
Isaiah 11:6 KJV
I think I got the "lion with the lamb" from hymns and things. The authors probably just did that because of alliteration
That's a really great point!
The fake story of the people pounding on the ark to get in is a core piece of one of my favorite works of music, "It's Gonna Rain" by Steve Reich. I always knew that wasn't in the original story, but it's such a powerful image.
As a religious Jew, I knew what it really said both times but can still understand perfectly how those mistakes were made
"a wolf in sheep's clothing"
A wolf next to a defenseless baby lamb.
Makes sense to me.
Right? Why would it even be a lion
@@felisaisntherealliteration
@@PrincessNinja007 yes, but why lion?
I have ALWAYS heard Lion + Lamb!
My church growing up had a painting of a Lion laying down with a lamb - that was definitely a source of my confusion for a while on that verse!
Love your videos, bro! Just a quick point:
1) I never recall hearing about a Lion laying with a lamb in the first place but i believe you. Maybe it’s a mistranslation for the purposes of “optics” i.e. a wolf seems more scary so lets change it to a lion.
2) Its entirely possible that conception of the ark story is a result of pop-culture representations of that story in movies/tv/books. Often source material is more bare-bones. I read Genesis recently so this points didn’t rake me by surprise.
You are right. Be careful what you learn without checking the information yourself
Or just take it as part of your local stories/culture? Not everything has to be from the Bible proper. Think of Christmas or most rituals or bibble movies. It would be sad to loose all that for purity’s sake
Please inform yourself about Islam and the Quran In Shaa Allah
A lot of people believe the pharaoh of Exodus drowned in the sea, that appears in the DreamWorks movie but in reality the bible only says that the Pharaoh's army was washed away
it makes sense for it to be a wolf, because of a wolf being a predator to lambs, symbolizing the order to love your enemy.
The wolf and a lamb is a ancient metaphor still in use.Those both cannot became together in this life. The metaphor usually describes idea differencies because the wolf always gonna think that to eat lamb. People think that ancient people were eating grains all the time but they was mostly shepherds.
I've never remembered either of these that way.
The bulk of Christian beliefs stem not from the Bible itself but the lore but around the Bible.
Basically, people like to embellish tales. That's the problem of an oral history.
@@LKMNOP Oral history can be accurate when a lot of people are telling the same story. Writing is better for the future though.
There have been fraudulent attempts to enter new testament books, but they failed because there were thousands of copies of the original documents.
But again, something similar could happen with oral history.
The Mandela Effect just the earth getting a software update.
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The 2nd one has to do with the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is one of the oldest surviving myths that we know of.
Noah’s arc was based off the Gilgamesh and they share a lot in common including a great flood, doves flying off the boat, etc.
In the Epic, many people laugh at Gilgamesh for building his cube boat (equivalent to the Arc).
You know there are flood stories all around the world right?
@@Xverol Yes but the majority of scholars see the Arc and Gilgamesh are related stories.
Read an excerpt from the flood part of Gilgamesh and read Noah’s arc again… it’s noticeable. Certain aspects are super similar.
Human in animal form.... Perhaps the talking snake!
It actually comes from the Gmara (the noa add ons), which is a very ancient text. It tells just what you said
I think that the "laughing at noah" came from oral tradition.
It kinda had to be included. "Noah is building this big-ass ark in his driveway and no-one thought to ask him why? Why didn't they think to carve out a little canoe, just in case he was telling the truth?" Nah, you gotta make them bully him so that it feels justified when he lets them all drown and die.
Yes, probably the Midrash.
The wolf with the lamb probably resembles that enemies will now be friends, there are no demons means no intrusive thoughts and you can't lose to intrusive thoughts no more
I imagine it comes from further adaptations like movies that need to do that for world building and also to help with the run time since it's a fairly short story, it also ties into the christian persecution complex
Perhaps people were getting confused with the adage about the month of March. That it comes “in like a lion and out like a lamb“.
There’s literally 2 restaurants, one in Brooklyn, one in Manhattan named “Wolf and Lamb”
And they’re quite good, too.
I'm sure there is and I bet you enjoy it don't you
When you go there, do you prefer to order the wolf or the lamb?
Apologies, but you just are so amazing and I adore this channel ❤❤❤❤
It's very interesting, because I've noticed a few Mandela effects in the past, but about this one, it didn't happened at all, and I think it has to do with the fact that I differentiate between what I read in the books, the way I interprete it and lastly the common understanding from people, so guessing this would be my exception to the rule.
Another Mandela effect is that the Tower Of Babel fell. All that is mentioned is: A. The language of the people was confounded and B. The people were scattered abroad.
Gods work looks from the outside like the mandela effect. Job 9:5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger. Job says when God changes something, they dont see it. In his anger he removes a mountain yet no one notices, what mountain? there never was a mountain here.
I've heard an interesting comment on the tower of babel some years ago. I always thought, people built some city and god destroyed it. This seemed a bit spiteful to me.
But: People gathered in one place in a big city. They abandoned their task to spread out after leaving paradise. All were happy within the city and thought great times will come. But in reality, humankind was at the brink of extinction. One local catastrophe could have killed all of them. So by forcing us to spread out again, god probably saved us from extinction.
With Noah, though. It wasn’t in the Bible, it was heavily reinforced on Christian circles. It’s used as a tool to follow the path of God even if others don’t understand or mock you. However, the same can’t be side by the same people if you honestly believe you are following the path of God, but they disagree with you.
Yeah I'm not a christian but I have heard that story.
It's the book of enoch, I think, or one of the other books considered not to be canonical. I've listened to it on UA-cam but couldn't precisely tell you which one.
Likely conjecture based on Mt 24:37-39; Lu 17:26, 27; and 2Pe 2:5.
It was probably added from tradition based on NT verses surrounding it, extra canonical books and the quran
@@duckymomo7935 those plus cultural things like church songs
Here's some more context (from KJV):
"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the young lion and fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
"And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox."
A lion is mentioned. It is weird that we collectively remember it incorrectly, but there IS a lamb and a lion in the same verse, and then the lion is mentioned again in the next verse. This makes me feel a little less crazy
I dont think we remember it incorrectly because Jesus is always referred to as the Lion and the Lamb because when He was crucified He was the perfect sacrifice but in Revelations He is called the Lion of the tribe of Judah
@@koresurge8057so do you recall it being the lion and the lamb ?
@@victoriamarshall2342 i do and i really think its funny how its so hard to find where God had said anything about Him being the Lion and the Lamb
Dude..your channel is great
Well in some languages, wolves are included under a generic word for large cats (for some reason). I wonder if it was something like that
😊. Kinda like Fu dogs? (Chinese Foo Dog lions.)
The lion and the lamb comes from that memorable fire-and-brimstone speech in the movie Pulp Fiction.
It was around long before pulp fiction. There are lots of artworks with the lion and the lamb. It's traditional, if not Biblical.
You are joking, right?
They make 0 reference to either Lion or Lamb in that movie
"He endured death as a lamb; he devoured it as a lion."-Augustine, Sermon 375AD
There are quotes through out history which connect the two.
@@The_SeoulJourner It clear it's not referring to the peace of God as the Wolf laying next to the lamb.
"There'll Be Peace in the Valley for Me" is a 1939 song written by Thomas A. Dorsey. It contains these words:
Well the bear will be gentle
And the wolves will be tame
And the lion shall lay down
By the lamb, oh yes
This song was performed by Mahalia Jackson and later by other artists including Elvis Presley.
These lyrics are an artistic paraphrase of the passage from Isaiah.
I was thinking Nelson Mandela was lying next to the lamb... Or Nelson Mandela made the Ark...
The funny thing is that I remember the songs saying the Lion and the Lamb but I still remember it as a wolf
In addition, in Christianity, according to a sermon by Augustine, the lion stands for Christ resurrected, the lamb for Christ's sacrifice ("He endured death as a lamb; he devoured it as a lion."-Augustine, Sermon 375A).
Makes total sense because in the herder type of society, wolves used to steal and eat lambs. That's what the shepherd was always guarding against.
Ain’t no way a Shepard is fighting off a grown lion
And now the "wolf" does lie down with the Lamb, because dogs are trained to keep sheep together and safe.
And they eat chicken and cow, thanks to the Shepherd.
@@ksoundkaiju9256 No but a couple of Great Pyreness would do the job.
David did as a shepherd boy. Both bears and lions, in the book of Samuel, he's telling King Saul about it.
The Mandela effect, where people misremembering turns into a conspiracy
It's probably just normal mixing of text.
The wolf lies with the lamb, the leopard lies with the goat, the lion lies with the the calf, and a child shall lead them.
I also think Hollywood probably had something to do with it, cause Lion and Lamb have that alliteration that sounds so smooth.