the peel ply texture is a layer on top of the carbon (or fiberglass or kevlar). There technically is no T700 texture at the surface (or at least it is minimal). Different peel ply can be used on T700 carbon to get different textures.
Update, my wife has had a Kiwi Slice for 6 months and this new surface technic they are using really works. The spin is fantastic with no noticeable degradation in spin. I can't say that for the 3x premium paddles that I have had during the same time period, they noticeably decrease over time. 👏Bravo
CFS (Carbon Friction Surface) has been a marketing buzz term from these OEMS forever. That is why many Joola paddles have CFS in the name of the paddle for years now (e.g. Ben Johns Hyperion "CFS" 16mm). Others are called "CAS" for Carbon Abrasion Surface. Many other brands have CFS in their marketing as well due to this. I hope it's actually something new and you aren't just gettled hustled.
Oh NO, my two Slice paddles are outdated after less than a year. I am playing with the Spike. A great power paddles. Less I digress, the redesigned paddle I suggest is resliced. If you take my suggestion, I would like a resliced for my thoughts. Only a small company like Kiwi can make so many paddles in a short time as you are in charge. Good work Larry. I would tell you I would go broke buying all your paddles but that is not the case. Will my Spike get the new carbon fiber too. New name again, if so is respiked. Another paddle request for that name too. Enjoyed the video and the exciting news about the new technology for pickle ball paddles.
Interesting new technology. Are the new Slice paddles going to have a thinner handle? My only gripe on the one I received was the handle was thick. Thank you
Kudos to kiwi for finding a technology to solve a problem. The next challenge to your point (and there will be a pot of gold for the company that does this) is to have molded octagonal handles that are specific sizes. So like tennis you can order your paddle in 3 3/4", 3 7/8", 4", 4 1/8", 4 1/4", 4 3/8" so the whole issue with handles being too large (or too small requiring multiple overgrips) will be gone,
We don't quite have molded handles. But YES we are going to officially reduce the grip size down to 4.2in when we launch with the new surface. It finally occurred that you can always make your grip bigger. But it's a lot harder to make it smaller. While I still love the larger grip.... Smaller ones are growing on me.
@@kiwilabspickleball thank you. I used to be like you and use a larger grip to eliminate using too much wrist but i find for rolls at the kitchen the smaller grip size is so much easier
Very good, insightful video, Larry. Also, it's nice to see that at least some equipment manufactures can focus on providing information and talk about their products and technologies without hype and marketing buzzwords :) I have question about the new carbon cloth ... Do you think this new surface is going to be more durable than the old, polished carbon surface? I am asking because my main gripe with pickleball equipment is the fact that all the paddles I've used in the past (used both carbon and Kevlar) were losing their grip fairly quickly, which resulted in a meaningful spin loss after only 6-8 weeks of play. As a former competitive table tennis player I like using spin in pickleball and rely on it quite a bit, primarily in shaping the ball on drives and in topspin dinks and drops, so it's a bit frustrating to have to change paddles so frequently. Also, are you aware of any new surface technologies coming into pickleball that would meaningfully extend the durability of spin for pickleball paddles?
so basically, its a different Peel Ply cloth, could it be polyester ? Curious as to what brand your using and if you are changing the last layer of resin type.
Im talking about the Peel ply fabric that indents the texture , cured , then is peeled off leaving the textured surface.(epoxy/resin) the peel ply doesn't stay on. after you take the carbon fiber out of the vacuum bag its peeled off leaving the negative imprint. Thats the texture over the carbon fiber face.@@PKB-AG
I'm looking to replace my Vanguard Power Air Invikta - Midweight / Prestige which I've only had for 41 days, and it's losing it's grit. I really hope the technology gets better especially if folks are dropping a whopping $250 USD on a new high performance paddle.
Its weird to me that some paddles advertise their rough geippy surface when the rules explicitly say that paddle surfaces are not allowed to be modified to have a rough texture or to have anything applied to the face to generate more spin... As a ping pong player transitioning... It would love to have a really grippy paddle. But it seems like thats one of the only things thats explicitly spelled out in the paddle regulations.
My understanding is that so called raw carbon face texture of paddles that people think of as, all it is texture of epoxy resin that is bonded on carbon fiber surface after the peel ply cloth is lift off after the curing of epoxy resin? in reality, so texture of the paddle surface really is epoxy resin, not carbon fiber face itself.
That is RIGHT! The Face vs actual paddle construction are different. I will do more of a technical video soon. I was just trying to keep this as accessible as possible. 99% of players just call the face t700 carbon fiber. So, I wanted to keep this intro video very high level.
Thanks for the update Larry
the peel ply texture is a layer on top of the carbon (or fiberglass or kevlar). There technically is no T700 texture at the surface (or at least it is minimal). Different peel ply can be used on T700 carbon to get different textures.
Excited to see if the revised Slice plays any differently! And glad to hear there might be consistency with surfaces one of these days!
Since I’m not a pro, I want a rough one, hahaha
Update, my wife has had a Kiwi Slice for 6 months and this new surface technic they are using really works. The spin is fantastic with no noticeable degradation in spin. I can't say that for the 3x premium paddles that I have had during the same time period, they noticeably decrease over time. 👏Bravo
CFS (Carbon Friction Surface) has been a marketing buzz term from these OEMS forever. That is why many Joola paddles have CFS in the name of the paddle for years now (e.g. Ben Johns Hyperion "CFS" 16mm). Others are called "CAS" for Carbon Abrasion Surface. Many other brands have CFS in their marketing as well due to this. I hope it's actually something new and you aren't just gettled hustled.
I enjoy your videos.
Oh NO, my two Slice paddles are outdated after less than a year. I am playing with the Spike. A great power paddles. Less I digress, the redesigned paddle I suggest is resliced. If you take my suggestion, I would like a resliced for my thoughts. Only a small company like Kiwi can make so many paddles in a short time as you are in charge. Good work Larry. I would tell you I would go broke buying all your paddles but that is not the case. Will my Spike get the new carbon fiber too. New name again, if so is respiked. Another paddle request for that name too. Enjoyed the video and the exciting news about the new technology for pickle ball paddles.
Sweet paddle man!! J & C
Interesting new technology. Are the new Slice paddles going to have a thinner handle? My only gripe on the one I received was the handle was thick. Thank you
Kudos to kiwi for finding a technology to solve a problem. The next challenge to your point (and there will be a pot of gold for the company that does this) is to have molded octagonal handles that are specific sizes. So like tennis you can order your paddle in 3 3/4", 3 7/8", 4", 4 1/8", 4 1/4", 4 3/8" so the whole issue with handles being too large (or too small requiring multiple overgrips) will be gone,
We don't quite have molded handles. But YES we are going to officially reduce the grip size down to 4.2in when we launch with the new surface. It finally occurred that you can always make your grip bigger. But it's a lot harder to make it smaller. While I still love the larger grip.... Smaller ones are growing on me.
@@kiwilabspickleball thank you. I used to be like you and use a larger grip to eliminate using too much wrist but i find for rolls at the kitchen the smaller grip size is so much easier
Very good, insightful video, Larry. Also, it's nice to see that at least some equipment manufactures can focus on providing information and talk about their products and technologies without hype and marketing buzzwords :)
I have question about the new carbon cloth ... Do you think this new surface is going to be more durable than the old, polished carbon surface?
I am asking because my main gripe with pickleball equipment is the fact that all the paddles I've used in the past (used both carbon and Kevlar) were losing their grip fairly quickly, which resulted in a meaningful spin loss after only 6-8 weeks of play. As a former competitive table tennis player I like using spin in pickleball and rely on it quite a bit, primarily in shaping the ball on drives and in topspin dinks and drops, so it's a bit frustrating to have to change paddles so frequently.
Also, are you aware of any new surface technologies coming into pickleball that would meaningfully extend the durability of spin for pickleball paddles?
Loudness doesn’t matter to me but it looks like it’ll sound quieter. Love the uniformity.
You don’t use peel ply? Your surface on the paddle is carbon?
Where could someone find some of that new peel-ply? Asking for a friend. ;-)
I just purchased a Slice about 3 weeks ago; do I get a discount on the new updated Slice?
We are not officially making a switch yet on the Slice.
Is that Teflon fabric?
so basically, its a different Peel Ply cloth, could it be polyester ? Curious as to what brand your using and if you are changing the last layer of resin type.
I can't imagine that polyester is going to last very long - too soft.
Im talking about the Peel ply fabric that indents the texture , cured , then is peeled off leaving the textured surface.(epoxy/resin) the peel ply doesn't stay on. after you take the carbon fiber out of the vacuum bag its peeled off leaving the negative imprint. Thats the texture over the carbon fiber face.@@PKB-AG
I'm looking to replace my Vanguard Power Air Invikta - Midweight / Prestige which I've only had for 41 days, and it's losing it's grit. I really hope the technology gets better especially if folks are dropping a whopping $250 USD on a new high performance paddle.
Its weird to me that some paddles advertise their rough geippy surface when the rules explicitly say that paddle surfaces are not allowed to be modified to have a rough texture or to have anything applied to the face to generate more spin...
As a ping pong player transitioning... It would love to have a really grippy paddle. But it seems like thats one of the only things thats explicitly spelled out in the paddle regulations.
It is somewhat similar to our new process technology. It seems that pictures cannot be sent here.
You needing people to test and review/feedback any of these for you? I'll gladly volunteer.
CFS isn't that what joola hyperion and perseus using
bro thumbnail got the IMMEDIATE click haha
Very interesting!
Carbon Fiber Sheets are NOT a "peel ply" sheet. It's that "peel ply" sheet that's being used is what's changing , correct??
"It should just come in your hand as rough as possible."
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As a consumer if its got the approved sticker, its good enough. Only Ben Johns plays for money.
are you working for paddle manufacturing industry?
Plan your talk, and get to your points dude.
I love you
My understanding is that so called raw carbon face texture of paddles that people think of as, all it is texture of epoxy resin that is bonded on carbon fiber surface after the peel ply cloth is lift off after the curing of epoxy resin? in reality, so texture of the paddle surface really is epoxy resin, not carbon fiber face itself.
This is what I was thinking but wasn't sure.
That is RIGHT! The Face vs actual paddle construction are different. I will do more of a technical video soon. I was just trying to keep this as accessible as possible. 99% of players just call the face t700 carbon fiber. So, I wanted to keep this intro video very high level.
@@kiwilabspickleball It just sounded as if carbon fiber face was responsible for spin, not the epoxy resin.