I don't really care how a paddle is made. As an amateur player, my main concern is durability. I have a Joola Hyperion 14 mm paddle , delamination and surface carbon fiber peel-off start very early after purchase and Joola said it is normal. Paddle manufacturers have to ensure their paddles are durable as ordinary players don't afford to change paddle every few months.
Joola is pure marketing, the players get a new paddle for their game daily, thats why it performs so well, gearbox and selkirk are way ahead in quality
Feel for u , having spent so much for the paddle and the wearing out so soon can be disheartening, ive some players who play with it but havent heard much , do check on the weather implications in ur region as extreme cold weather does affect the core and can cause issue with paddle face and core
I would like to try that out.. the only thing I hate about some pickleball paddles, is the billboard graphics.. I'd like a minimalist look, some 'chic'. If Yonex work that aspect - i'd love it.
Good video, fun to see how Yonex paddles are made. No doubt it’s a great company with pedigree but they need to get where the current market is. Covering the carbon fiber face with a marketing graphic, then pasting grit particles on that to add spin potential…that’s the old formula. Start doing raw Toray carbon fiber surfaces!
@@Nahhmah exactly what I was thinking. The way PPA tournaments are testing the paddles, carbon surfaces are going to be regulated because of the deflection test failures.
@@jdrockefellas You have no idea what you're talking about. They don't fail deflection tests. That would be EVA foam paddles. Are you thinking of the surface roughness test? The vast majority of people playing at a high level are using raw carbon fiber surfaces...many are Toray (e.g. Electrum) but that is just 1 manufacturer of raw carbon fiber...other high quality manufacturers exist.
The deflection test failures usually occur bc of delaminations causing a trampoline effect. Therefore, failures don’t happen bc of the EVA foam injections. I could tell you that with paddle technology constantly changing, it’s a decision that Yonex doesn’t jump into what’s the current trend. Until there’s stability in the market, the company would rather wait on producing a high end paddle technology. I’m not debunking the effects of Toray 700, I think it’s great but I also understand where the company’s stance is. It’s easy for Yonex to pull the trigger on production bc they are the manufacturer and Quality Control is of the highest standard whereas most companies source their manufacturing to a third party (mainly in China).
@@jdrockefellas That is not due to carbon fiber, but rather due to thermoforming. And it's not due to delamination, but rather core crushing. Delamination is a misnomer. I wasn't talking about EVA foam injections in the edges, I was talking about EVA foam as the core material, such as the Diadem Vice, which is not approved because it does not pass deflection tests. No EVA foam paddles do, which is why none are approved. Don't come at meeee with that weak ass incomplete knowledge!!!
Tennis racquets are much more expensive to manufacture. The profit margins on pickleball paddles are huge because people are willing to pay that much. The world is upside down.
Pickleball paddle technology is in the stone age compared to other sports. This is like something I would make in my garage. Part of it is the rules. Why don't you add rubber and make the ball lighter? This would increase speed and spin and make the sport much more fun to watch and play. Right now it's like 1850s tennis. So boring.
HMMM maybe because there are rules about how much friction the surface can apply. They don't want the ball spinning wildly so it's totally unmanageable. How much lighter do you want the ball? It's less than 1 ounce! And it has holes in it. You must really struggle with reasoning skills.
@@18waywardson Have you seen pro pickleball lately? It's insanely fast. One reason raquetball died is because the equipment got too crazy and the game became less fun to play as a result.
@@AMurderOfLobs they're scared to make it a real sport and lose people to buy their marked-up junk gear. Keeping the rules the way they are allows 8 year olds and 80 year olds to stay in the game and in the money.
This isn't some insanely mass produced, cheap slave labor, Chinese sweat shop paddle.. yet crbn, head & the rest still charging big bucks for their China paddles. This is handmade, with pride, in Japan. Yes, Yonex has alot to catch up on as far as paddle technologies, ie: thermoforming, perimeter weighting, spin potential etc. But if they stick to perfecting their product, it will definitely keep up with the best on the market. I for one, hope that Yonex sticks to it because I will happily pay more for a quality product that actually deserves my money.
@@jaycee2314 Oh please, how is this process any more "handmade" than how the Chinese manufacturers do it? It's literally the same exact process. Those printers didn't look like skilled artisans to me....they looked like robots. Duh.
Why can't we allow paddle surfaces to be replaced like with pingpong paddles? Feels like an immense waste to replace paddles every few months, what a ripoff.
I am on your team, for sure, on this one! There is a strict, yet not entirely transparent governing body, and (right or wrong) one of their primary objectives is to keep paddle performance within a prescribed range. Sadly, that focus on narrowing paddle performance probably means that the acoustic footprint is not going to diminish, and paddle durability is not going to improve much either. Price wise, paddles are now equal to, or even eclipsing the price of new tennis racquets. And in terms of durability (lack of), I feel the same as you do. I do not abuse my paddles or racquets, however I have racquets that work great and are more than 30 years old. Believe it or not, I have been playing pickleball for more than 30 years, and although composite paddles were not a thing until around 15 years ago, I do not have any composite paddles that are still playable after all that time. We have vintage racquet section on the tennis site, however I do not anticipate that happening for pickleball paddles anytime soon. As far as you using the term, "allow", I guess you can weigh the pros and cons of how important it is to have a paddle with the official USA Pickleball designation on it. Quieting paddles, pretty much means the speed and spin will increase (a little), but so will paddle longevity, which I feel is what most players want and are agreeable to. The governing bodies won't allow for a simple, but brilliant move towards replaceable surfaces, like a ping pong paddle and would probably fight it beyond the end, so to speak. Mark/TP
@@pickleballwarehouse Wow thanks for the detailed share! Yeah I only just found out recently that pickleball was around since like 1960s, what a surprise haha. I guess outside of tournaments, nobody would really care about the surface so I'm expecting aftermarket surface replacement stickers coming soon. Nothing's stopping me from just buying carbon fiber sticker sheets for $5 now anyway. I think it's just a matter of time. For now the manufacturers are probably lobbying the organisation(s) to keep this "no replaceable surfaces" rule around for as long as they can, to keep the cash grab as long as possible.
Yonex makes some of the best rackets in tennis. I'm sure their paddles are top notch.
You would be wrong. Their paddles are irrelevant.
for 200$ i sure do hope so!!!!
I use the Yonex Vcore Plus Pickleball paddle and it’s amazing ! Spin/Power/Control
@@DaleLabangYou need to try a real paddle. Something with a peel ply grit layer.
too expensive
Maybe im ignorant but anytime i hear a japanese guy speak great english im immediately impressed
He kinda sounded like he grew up in Texas.
That's a voice over
I don't really care how a paddle is made. As an amateur player, my main concern is durability. I have a Joola Hyperion 14 mm paddle , delamination and surface carbon fiber peel-off start very early after purchase and Joola said it is normal. Paddle manufacturers have to ensure their paddles are durable as ordinary players don't afford to change paddle every few months.
Joola is pure marketing, the players get a new paddle for their game daily, thats why it performs so well, gearbox and selkirk are way ahead in quality
Feel for u , having spent so much for the paddle and the wearing out so soon can be disheartening, ive some players who play with it but havent heard much , do check on the weather implications in ur region as extreme cold weather does affect the core and can cause issue with paddle face and core
Your experience suggests you should care how a paddle is made
@@BGK2223agreed
Irrelevant comment. This is not ab Joola
When is the next paddle coming out?
I would like to try that out.. the only thing I hate about some pickleball paddles, is the billboard graphics.. I'd like a minimalist look, some 'chic'. If Yonex work that aspect - i'd love it.
Look out for Luxe paddles. Maybe more expensive, but you'll get what you want.
3:45 do they really actually have people physically inspect each and every single paddle or is that just for the video??
Didnt even know yonex made paddles lol. They are way behind
Wish they put more vibration dampening technology into their paddles to reduce tennis elbow.
How the hell do they charge that much..
Good video, fun to see how Yonex paddles are made. No doubt it’s a great company with pedigree but they need to get where the current market is.
Covering the carbon fiber face with a marketing graphic, then pasting grit particles on that to add spin potential…that’s the old formula. Start doing raw Toray carbon fiber surfaces!
Who makes raw Toray carbon fiber surface paddles?
@@Nahhmah exactly what I was thinking. The way PPA tournaments are testing the paddles, carbon surfaces are going to be regulated because of the deflection test failures.
@@jdrockefellas You have no idea what you're talking about. They don't fail deflection tests. That would be EVA foam paddles. Are you thinking of the surface roughness test? The vast majority of people playing at a high level are using raw carbon fiber surfaces...many are Toray (e.g. Electrum) but that is just 1 manufacturer of raw carbon fiber...other high quality manufacturers exist.
The deflection test failures usually occur bc of delaminations causing a trampoline effect. Therefore, failures don’t happen bc of the EVA foam injections. I could tell you that with paddle technology constantly changing, it’s a decision that Yonex doesn’t jump into what’s the current trend. Until there’s stability in the market, the company would rather wait on producing a high end paddle technology. I’m not debunking the effects of Toray 700, I think it’s great but I also understand where the company’s stance is. It’s easy for Yonex to pull the trigger on production bc they are the manufacturer and Quality Control is of the highest standard whereas most companies source their manufacturing to a third party (mainly in China).
@@jdrockefellas That is not due to carbon fiber, but rather due to thermoforming. And it's not due to delamination, but rather core crushing. Delamination is a misnomer. I wasn't talking about EVA foam injections in the edges, I was talking about EVA foam as the core material, such as the Diadem Vice, which is not approved because it does not pass deflection tests. No EVA foam paddles do, which is why none are approved. Don't come at meeee with that weak ass incomplete knowledge!!!
Cool videos. Idk why this cost $200 now
Yall still losin tournaments
Tennis racquets are much more expensive to manufacture. The profit margins on pickleball paddles are huge because people are willing to pay that much. The world is upside down.
Cause they can
wow wooden grips made of wood
I know they ain’t charging 200$ for wooden handles and exposed poly edges…..
Pickleball paddle technology is in the stone age compared to other sports. This is like something I would make in my garage. Part of it is the rules. Why don't you add rubber and make the ball lighter? This would increase speed and spin and make the sport much more fun to watch and play. Right now it's like 1850s tennis. So boring.
HMMM maybe because there are rules about how much friction the surface can apply. They don't want the ball spinning wildly so it's totally unmanageable. How much lighter do you want the ball? It's less than 1 ounce! And it has holes in it. You must really struggle with reasoning skills.
@@AMurderOfLobs Yeah, rules so that the nursing home age players (bulk of players) aren't put out of the consumer base. All about money.
@@18waywardson Have you seen pro pickleball lately? It's insanely fast. One reason raquetball died is because the equipment got too crazy and the game became less fun to play as a result.
@@18waywardson by the way, the average age of a pickleball player is now 35. the game has changed drastically since covid.
@@AMurderOfLobs they're scared to make it a real sport and lose people to buy their marked-up junk gear. Keeping the rules the way they are allows 8 year olds and 80 year olds to stay in the game and in the money.
This isn't some insanely mass produced, cheap slave labor, Chinese sweat shop paddle.. yet crbn, head & the rest still charging big bucks for their China paddles.
This is handmade, with pride, in Japan.
Yes, Yonex has alot to catch up on as far as paddle technologies, ie: thermoforming, perimeter weighting, spin potential etc. But if they stick to perfecting their product, it will definitely keep up with the best on the market. I for one, hope that Yonex sticks to it because I will happily pay more for a quality product that actually deserves my money.
oh get over it
@@pleasebeinteresting good reply bro
@@jaycee2314 Oh please, how is this process any more "handmade" than how the Chinese manufacturers do it? It's literally the same exact process. Those printers didn't look like skilled artisans to me....they looked like robots. Duh.
Why can't we allow paddle surfaces to be replaced like with pingpong paddles? Feels like an immense waste to replace paddles every few months, what a ripoff.
I am on your team, for sure, on this one! There is a strict, yet not entirely transparent governing body, and (right or wrong) one of their primary objectives is to keep paddle performance within a prescribed range. Sadly, that focus on narrowing paddle performance probably means that the acoustic footprint is not going to diminish, and paddle durability is not going to improve much either. Price wise, paddles are now equal to, or even eclipsing the price of new tennis racquets. And in terms of durability (lack of), I feel the same as you do. I do not abuse my paddles or racquets, however I have racquets that work great and are more than 30 years old. Believe it or not, I have been playing pickleball for more than 30 years, and although composite paddles were not a thing until around 15 years ago, I do not have any composite paddles that are still playable after all that time. We have vintage racquet section on the tennis site, however I do not anticipate that happening for pickleball paddles anytime soon. As far as you using the term, "allow", I guess you can weigh the pros and cons of how important it is to have a paddle with the official USA Pickleball designation on it. Quieting paddles, pretty much means the speed and spin will increase (a little), but so will paddle longevity, which I feel is what most players want and are agreeable to. The governing bodies won't allow for a simple, but brilliant move towards replaceable surfaces, like a ping pong paddle and would probably fight it beyond the end, so to speak.
Mark/TP
@@pickleballwarehouse Wow thanks for the detailed share! Yeah I only just found out recently that pickleball was around since like 1960s, what a surprise haha. I guess outside of tournaments, nobody would really care about the surface so I'm expecting aftermarket surface replacement stickers coming soon. Nothing's stopping me from just buying carbon fiber sticker sheets for $5 now anyway. I think it's just a matter of time. For now the manufacturers are probably lobbying the organisation(s) to keep this "no replaceable surfaces" rule around for as long as they can, to keep the cash grab as long as possible.
miserable job - imagine wearing a mask for hours on end...so silly