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Mammoth! I love seeing scratch built models so much, I think it tickles the same parts of my brain that 3D modelling does, which is the field I'm coming from. Also recycling old toys is a definite good deed in my book. I do think the mammoth could use more... stuff? Gribbly bits? It's looking a little naked next to the new sculpts, but I definitely understand considering how long and hard you clearly worked on this video. With the time constraints and it being done by just you and Hatty, all of it is truly astounding work, very impressive.
Gonna be honest, while the other sculpts were clearly the product of lots of hard work and creative vision, I have to give the "favorite Squiggoth" award to Manny the Mammoth. Both as a testament to Manny's long-suffering career as a toy, and as proof that you can scratch build great things out of cheap materials. (Most Warhammer collectors have a surplus of sprues, for example).
When and where tf you be ordering. FW has never without fail sent my order within a couple days, only combining special products into an order like the mistake midwinter made usually does that. 💀
As an American, watching you vlog your "day trip" to France sort of rocked my world. So cool that you live in a place that a) you actually have good enough public transportation and b) you are close enough to be a train ride away from Paris!? Incredible. Very jealous.
He is also one ferry away from Amsterdam or Antwerp. I heard someone say to me that their daughter finds "Paris much more intereseting than Phoenix, AZ". No shit.
Most of Europe is visitable from the UK if you get up early enough (depending upon where in the uk too) by either flight, train or ferry. It can be quite expensive though for a single day trip for some locations so better to do a weekend.
@@NickK1291 from what I've seen, Squigs arent Orkz, they're a symbiotic species that feed on Orkoid fungus in return for various useful functions. They may be the only known example of animals domesticated by mushrooms.
@@aidan-h3p I thought the entire ecosystem (squigs, grots, orcs, etc) was just offshoots of the same genetic stock. That's why a single ork corpse (and corresponding spores) can result in a full on orc infestation.
😮 You deserve a like just for the sheer amount of patience and work you put into both this video and the model. Don't let the world take away your kindness and gentleness, sir. Your warmth is part of what makes your personality so worth watching MWM for. 😊❤
The gargantuan squiggoth is my obsession! I couldnt afford the money to buy the real thing, so i made my own out of sturdy cardboard tubes for a skeleton, glue heavy paper clay, tissue paper, and some oven bake clay for his mouth bits for the details. Despite my researcg, mine ended up quite a bit bigger than a real one. I plan to make more squiggoths, including a Khorne corrupted red one with an absurd amount of teeth and spikes. Thank you so much for this video, its literally the exact content i needed!
The squigoths look amazing! Cant believe you painted all 3 of those big models in basically a month. Agreed with the criticism. Puppers needs a little spotlight too :) the girls picking their favorite of the two squigs left was also adoreable :) thanks for all you do
The quality of the Kromlech cast vs the quality the GW model further makes me lose any desire for a Forge World mini. That mammoth squiggoth tho 😍 great at video as always Guy!
literally last week i was upset because i wanted to watch a battle with a gargantuan squiggoth in it and found a shockingly low amount of content about the model. so im glad that you were able to get one and paint it.
I always said that Games Workshop quality and customer service went down and their prices went up since becoming publicly traded company this video proves my point, seriously wth.
I mostly agree, though I'm not sure you can say quality of the products went down. The resin stuff has always been a more serious project and that hasn't changed but the more 'default' models from GW now are really really good quality in fit and finish it seems, if strange in how they are broken up, the paints still seem to be good etc. The price is not so defensible compared to the others, but the quality of GW stuff after flirting with finecast has probably gone up overall I'd suggest.
quick tip! if you ever nick yourself in the finger or something with a hobby knife, I would highly reccomend cleaning the blood off the wound then quickly closing it up with super glue, its pretty easy doesnt hurt and there is no bandaid in your way for future hobbying. Plus, super glue and paper towel are typically right next to you when hobbying.
@@MidwinterMinislol thanks! My dad used to tend to cuts id get as a kid with super glue and its always worked. Also, as per usual you did amazing with the models in this video! Well done Guy 👏👏👏
This is actually the use case super glue was invented for - closing bullets wounds on the battle field. However, super glue for the consumer market is typically not certified safe for this use. They have various ingredients and additives that you may not want in your blood if you have a reasonable alternative. Probably won’t kill you, but still.
I think i may have visited the same Warhammer shop in Paris. Of course i was out in that neck of the woods a decade or so ago when i was doing a Europe tour in College for an Art class that i did not require but a free trip to Europe is a free trip to Europe.
Well done sponsorship. I don't travel out of country being in the US but the test and the description of what it is was very well done. Far better than the Google ads that got stuck in the video where the person was talking about. The website looks like and you could tell they've never used the product
Best Video so far. Love to see Nessa. Hope she makes more Content in the future. And also realy nice to se a squigoth beimg painted. its one of those "i want but i dont have reason or money for" models.
That clear gorilla epoxy is great for gems and such - paint the surface underneath a solid color, and toss a blob of the epoxy over it, and it looks great once it's cured.
I love how this video, you can see Guy combining a bunch of skills from previous videos together for this big project. If you're new to the channel and this looks intimidating, you should go back and watch things like the Scrap titan, Warlord titan, golden demon entry and stuff for context.
Great work as usual! I was already struggling to stop myself from buying/converting/printing a Squiggoth as-is! One minor note, 28mm Heroic Scale is actually closer to 1:56, rather than 1:35- regular human 40k models like Guardsmen are roughly half the size of 1:35 miniatures. I think there’s a lot of confusion about it because 40k vehicles in particular are *huge-* even a Leman Russ dwarfs some real super-heavy tanks, so when you put 40k vehicles next to historical or modern 1:56 ones it looks like they’re out of scale.
I remember back in the day (early 2000s, '01/'02 maybe?) seeing converted Squiggoths in White Dwarf made out of old dinosaur toys. Can't imagine GW letting that in these days.
On it's own, I actually preferred the mammoth, but I think the others would look better in an army. I could see myself using the mammoth for a variety of games and not just orks. Gorgeous work as always and super enjoyable.
Loves me some Orky content in a video and this is the biggest that can be done! I REALLY want a squiggoth but I don't know if I could ever justify it. I'd have nowhere to safely store it, it would gather dust and I can't be sure I'd ever get around to painting it. 😭 Still, excellent job! Might try for that gnawzilla from Kromlech though.
I remember back as a teenager in the early 2000s, I ordered an Epic scale gargantuan squiggoth for my Orks and Goblins army, to use as a mount for a leader!
Man, I'm just getting started with this universe and the miniature painting hobby. My first army will be necrons (because, necrons...) but i honestly think GW developed the most genius orkz design of all times. I always said that EVERYTHING in the fantasy universe comes from LoTR and Tolkien's universe, but let me say that this might have surpassed the genius level of J. R. R. T. The fact that there's speculation on space marines being overpowered just because orkz see them as powerful humies is absolutely hilarious and I already know that my second army, in some years from now, will be orkz.
That serious criticism is well warranted tbh, especially as since I moved out to one of the villages I don't see you and Nessa out and about on walks any more! ;op
Kids maid the right choice. Also I have never heared the whisper. Really cool trick. Also also the "red rocket" ruined my day. Luckily the previously mentioned fixed it right up. No more space tech allowed.
I must admit, the sheer size of the Gargantuan Squiggoth is hard to compete with but Kromlech's level of quality is incredible - especially if you consider the price. I just feel that the design of the Gnawzilla is a bit bland and too toad-y. Great paintjobs on all three though! And well deserved winners :)
Fun story for me, when 10th rules for the ORKs were just coming out. Me and a few friends wanted to play with the new rules. One of my firends came with a Garg Squig, i won a big squig hunter award for taking it down without one of my own.
I really appreciate your efforts to make your videos always positive. Would have been really easy for you to rant about GW with a clickbait title. Thanks for adding some positivity to the world.
The squigoths are beautiful especilly manny sad to see my model not featured but thats cool theirs always next orktober mabey my other catfish squigs will be featured next orktober thanks for another banger guy from MWM
Bravo Guy, you really knocked it out of the park with this project! Amazing work on these squiggoths and proxies Also, any chance the start collecting tournament will continue soon? I'd love to see some new matches lol Keep up the quality work as always, cheers! P.S. bringing the puppy around is never a bad idea.
I’m quite the fan of Manny the Squiggoth and it’s giving me that itchy scratchy bashy feeling because I have an old knockoff Lego dragon/creature thingy that I’ve been meaning to build a howdah for and I think I’ll sort of copy your idea for building it 👍
Which was your favourite Squiggoth?
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Gnawzilla was definitly my favorite. Might pick it up
Nessa was my fav Squiggoth!
Thank you for enlightening me with the great knowledge of Squiggoths Red Rocket.
Mammoth! I love seeing scratch built models so much, I think it tickles the same parts of my brain that 3D modelling does, which is the field I'm coming from. Also recycling old toys is a definite good deed in my book.
I do think the mammoth could use more... stuff? Gribbly bits? It's looking a little naked next to the new sculpts, but I definitely understand considering how long and hard you clearly worked on this video. With the time constraints and it being done by just you and Hatty, all of it is truly astounding work, very impressive.
Gonna be honest, while the other sculpts were clearly the product of lots of hard work and creative vision, I have to give the "favorite Squiggoth" award to Manny the Mammoth. Both as a testament to Manny's long-suffering career as a toy, and as proof that you can scratch build great things out of cheap materials. (Most Warhammer collectors have a surplus of sprues, for example).
Ordering from ForgeWorld actually saved me a ton of money; they took over two months to ship out my order so I cancelled it! 😂
Haha, that's fair enough! The ultimate discount: not buying it
Most of those products are probably going to be discontinued and their datasheets banished to Legends anyway. So, win win. RIP Forge World.
When and where tf you be ordering. FW has never without fail sent my order within a couple days, only combining special products into an order like the mistake midwinter made usually does that. 💀
Viz letter
@@N0isy665 How about when they sent my Titan with missing parts, which took over a month to replace? Or was that "my mistake" too? 🤡
Love the self portrait mini! It's beautiful!
Yeah! The "Paint Boy" was amazing
tuff
As an American, watching you vlog your "day trip" to France sort of rocked my world. So cool that you live in a place that a) you actually have good enough public transportation and b) you are close enough to be a train ride away from Paris!? Incredible. Very jealous.
He is also one ferry away from Amsterdam or Antwerp.
I heard someone say to me that their daughter finds "Paris much more intereseting than Phoenix, AZ". No shit.
As your Neighbour to the frozen North - trust me, it can be even worse!
Most of Europe is visitable from the UK if you get up early enough (depending upon where in the uk too) by either flight, train or ferry. It can be quite expensive though for a single day trip for some locations so better to do a weekend.
@ as if I needed more motivation to move to the UK! See y’all soon!
I've watched a man 10 years older than me highlight a squiggot penis and giggled like a little boy. Thank you for that.
We may get older, but we never grow up
@@MidwinterMinis the burden of being a man i suppose
Does this prove that all Orks are packing? It was kind of an open question since they're angry mushrooms and all.
@@NickK1291 from what I've seen, Squigs arent Orkz, they're a symbiotic species that feed on Orkoid fungus in return for various useful functions.
They may be the only known example of animals domesticated by mushrooms.
@@aidan-h3p I thought the entire ecosystem (squigs, grots, orcs, etc) was just offshoots of the same genetic stock. That's why a single ork corpse (and corresponding spores) can result in a full on orc infestation.
😮 You deserve a like just for the sheer amount of patience and work you put into both this video and the model.
Don't let the world take away your kindness and gentleness, sir. Your warmth is part of what makes your personality so worth watching MWM for. 😊❤
The gargantuan squiggoth is my obsession! I couldnt afford the money to buy the real thing, so i made my own out of sturdy cardboard tubes for a skeleton, glue heavy paper clay, tissue paper, and some oven bake clay for his mouth bits for the details. Despite my researcg, mine ended up quite a bit bigger than a real one. I plan to make more squiggoths, including a Khorne corrupted red one with an absurd amount of teeth and spikes. Thank you so much for this video, its literally the exact content i needed!
7:00 it's not the first forge world model without a head on the channel 😂
DON'T
Missing one head but containing a surprising extra head.
It got a head in life,eh@@MidwinterMinis?
so no head?
Nice to see Forge World's 'quality' hasn't changed at all!
"Forge World quality" is right up there with "Military grade" with causing my opinion of a thing to drop into the toilet.
Military grade bare minimum has the expectation that a bunch of 18 year old idiots wont break it within moments @Spark_Chaser
The squigoths look amazing! Cant believe you painted all 3 of those big models in basically a month.
Agreed with the criticism. Puppers needs a little spotlight too :) the girls picking their favorite of the two squigs left was also adoreable :) thanks for all you do
YOOOOOOOO You went to my usual Warhammer store in Paris! That's where I got my Ratling Grime! Shame I wasn't there to say hi, that would've been nuts
Awesome! Very cool store you've got there :)
The carbot sc2 times where good times
@@Cliffjumer Been a long time, but never changed it since!
Proud that you guys addressed the controversy and took steps to rectify it at the end of the video. Very rare to see in this day and age on UA-cam.
🐶🐶🐶
Even without the trigger warning, could see that blade lusting for flesh a mile away haha
[ cut back to Midwinter Minis' "Why It's Okay I Cut Towards Me" video ]
The quality of the Kromlech cast vs the quality the GW model further makes me lose any desire for a Forge World mini.
That mammoth squiggoth tho 😍 great at video as always Guy!
After a rough week so far, that Nessar segment was much appreiceated c:
The description of the guerillea glue smell is so accurate
For a minute I thought Nessa had eaten something rotten and was trying to poison me with clouds of bum gas
"A quick finger always sets things right" is some great advice for painting and from my teenage years
You Brits and your solo day trips to Paris! Also, probably going to steal that mammoth idea, great stuff Guy!
4:50 BLOOD FOT THE MINIATURE GOD! MINIATURES FOR PILE OF SHAME!
Kromlech does some very nice stuff, highly recommend to have a look for alternatives or kitbash
Absolutely! I've got a few of their models already and I think they're awesome
Kromlech has some amazing parts, even if i find myself squinting at their Ork kits with some suspicion. Weird amount of WW2 germany.
OMG the massive nostalgia hit from hearing the Allo' Allo' theme tune!
literally last week i was upset because i wanted to watch a battle with a gargantuan squiggoth in it and found a shockingly low amount of content about the model. so im glad that you were able to get one and paint it.
"A quick finger always sets things right" - Guy, 2024.
Also, TIL the garg squiggoth has a peen.
Put it on my gravestone
@@MidwinterMinis A gargantuan squiggoth penis? Odd request, but OK...
I painted one of these for a commission several years ago. It was quite an undertaking! Still the biggest miniature I've ever painted.
Woah I can't believe you managed to get Hatty from Hatty's Haunts to help out! Love a celeb cameo
Love the effect you got on the claws/tusks/teeth. Time well spent. Great to see the lovely Nessa again too
Tearing open a pinch lock bag like that is sacrilege
Thank you kind sir, someone noticed at least. Barbaric.
Amazing video, well worth the wait!
THANK YOU, haha. I took so long
39:55 She whispers! That's so adorable, genuinely made me laugh and smile. Wonderful!
I always said that Games Workshop quality and customer service went down and their prices went up since becoming publicly traded company this video proves my point, seriously wth.
It's a bit of a strange situation, eh?
Nope. Exactly as expected. Cut cost, maximise shareholder profits.
I mostly agree, though I'm not sure you can say quality of the products went down. The resin stuff has always been a more serious project and that hasn't changed but the more 'default' models from GW now are really really good quality in fit and finish it seems, if strange in how they are broken up, the paints still seem to be good etc. The price is not so defensible compared to the others, but the quality of GW stuff after flirting with finecast has probably gone up overall I'd suggest.
Was so nervous about entering into the competition but seeing my ork mareenz in the video was awesome for a paint motivation boos. :D
One of the best ad segments I’ve ever seen. Well done and hope you enjoyed the trip! :)
Oh and awesome models!
quick tip! if you ever nick yourself in the finger or something with a hobby knife, I would highly reccomend cleaning the blood off the wound then quickly closing it up with super glue, its pretty easy doesnt hurt and there is no bandaid in your way for future hobbying. Plus, super glue and paper towel are typically right next to you when hobbying.
That's very hardcore, I love it
@@MidwinterMinislol thanks! My dad used to tend to cuts id get as a kid with super glue and its always worked. Also, as per usual you did amazing with the models in this video! Well done Guy 👏👏👏
I did this to but then Realized u don’t want superglue in your bloodstream 💀
This is actually the use case super glue was invented for - closing bullets wounds on the battle field. However, super glue for the consumer market is typically not certified safe for this use. They have various ingredients and additives that you may not want in your blood if you have a reasonable alternative.
Probably won’t kill you, but still.
@@MMadjansen "Probably won’t kill you, but still." That sounds like an Australian travel advisory.
I think i may have visited the same Warhammer shop in Paris. Of course i was out in that neck of the woods a decade or so ago when i was doing a Europe tour in College for an Art class that i did not require but a free trip to Europe is a free trip to Europe.
wow, your use of color is out of this world man
Thank you for bringing back the originals, when I was building Tau I added a Great Knarloc to my Tau and Kroot Armies!
What an absolute mountain of work to have finished, Guy! Well done and congratulations on another Ork-tober!
Gangsta chains on your left hand? Whoa!
Haha, I'll seem way less cool when I tell you my mum bought it for me when I was 17
Thank you sir for this Gork'n'Mork blessed video day.
Wooo!
Your channel always inspires me more than any other channel to get back into painting
Well done sponsorship. I don't travel out of country being in the US but the test and the description of what it is was very well done. Far better than the Google ads that got stuck in the video where the person was talking about. The website looks like and you could tell they've never used the product
Best Video so far. Love to see Nessa. Hope she makes more Content in the future. And also realy nice to se a squigoth beimg painted. its one of those "i want but i dont have reason or money for" models.
Absolutely phenomenal paint jobs all the way around! I think the mammoth scratch build was fantastic! I might have to consider doing one myself!
35:50 - Hey, that slimy little tentacle dude is mine! That's more than i could've asked for! And now i can watch the whole video in peace, haha.
He looks awesome!
That clear gorilla epoxy is great for gems and such - paint the surface underneath a solid color, and toss a blob of the epoxy over it, and it looks great once it's cured.
That’s insane the amount of work you have to do for a figure that’s half a grand… love the channel ❤
Forge World: we put the cussing in customer service.
As usual excellent video, superb painting and general creativity! And of course the holy saint Nessa! MORE PLEASE!
Three gorgeous models, another great video. Thanks Guy!
I love how this video, you can see Guy combining a bunch of skills from previous videos together for this big project. If you're new to the channel and this looks intimidating, you should go back and watch things like the Scrap titan, Warlord titan, golden demon entry and stuff for context.
Kate at this point I think you remember more about my videos than I do, haha
@MidwinterMinis Probably! I've watched most of them at least twice because they're good background noise for painting minis or inking comics! 😂
"Massiv models" you naughty boy! XD
What can I say...
@@MidwinterMinis Sing a tune by Sir Mix-a-Lot? 8)
Silhouette of the custom squiggoth made me think you went with the old Chaos Mammoth for some reason for the project.
Great work as usual! I was already struggling to stop myself from buying/converting/printing a Squiggoth as-is!
One minor note, 28mm Heroic Scale is actually closer to 1:56, rather than 1:35- regular human 40k models like Guardsmen are roughly half the size of 1:35 miniatures. I think there’s a lot of confusion about it because 40k vehicles in particular are *huge-* even a Leman Russ dwarfs some real super-heavy tanks, so when you put 40k vehicles next to historical or modern 1:56 ones it looks like they’re out of scale.
Your kiddos are so cute! I love showing my kids my models too :)
I remember back in the day (early 2000s, '01/'02 maybe?) seeing converted Squiggoths in White Dwarf made out of old dinosaur toys. Can't imagine GW letting that in these days.
On it's own, I actually preferred the mammoth, but I think the others would look better in an army. I could see myself using the mammoth for a variety of games and not just orks. Gorgeous work as always and super enjoyable.
Loves me some Orky content in a video and this is the biggest that can be done! I REALLY want a squiggoth but I don't know if I could ever justify it. I'd have nowhere to safely store it, it would gather dust and I can't be sure I'd ever get around to painting it. 😭
Still, excellent job! Might try for that gnawzilla from Kromlech though.
As I was watching the sponsored portion of the video I picked up on the music you used for that. Nice choice Night 'Awk.
I remember back as a teenager in the early 2000s, I ordered an Epic scale gargantuan squiggoth for my Orks and Goblins army, to use as a mount for a leader!
Love this, honest but positive. And the models look great. Good job.
Man, I'm just getting started with this universe and the miniature painting hobby. My first army will be necrons (because, necrons...) but i honestly think GW developed the most genius orkz design of all times.
I always said that EVERYTHING in the fantasy universe comes from LoTR and Tolkien's universe, but let me say that this might have surpassed the genius level of J. R. R. T. The fact that there's speculation on space marines being overpowered just because orkz see them as powerful humies is absolutely hilarious and I already know that my second army, in some years from now, will be orkz.
Insanely awesome painting and scratch building!!! ❤😊❤
Amazing work Guy. I'm most impressed by the mammoth one. Looks so good
Wow! Absolutely brilliant work, sir!
Those models look awesome! Great work, thanks for the video
Shame to miss you in the Paris store! Always love your Orky projects
That serious criticism is well warranted tbh, especially as since I moved out to one of the villages I don't see you and Nessa out and about on walks any more! ;op
The hero's of my hero quest set looking very sad and gray haha :p, hopefully we get the hero quest content soon!
Amazing paintjobs!
Aww yeah, let's go with some squiggly goodness.
Squiggy stuff literally EVERYWHERE
"A quick finger always sets things right"! Quote of the day sir
👍for the 'Allo 'Allo theme!
Fantastic video, great custom job on the mammoth 👍
Really great paint and hobby work here. Love it!
Kids maid the right choice. Also I have never heared the whisper. Really cool trick. Also also the "red rocket" ruined my day. Luckily the previously mentioned fixed it right up. No more space tech allowed.
30:54 this is such a good way to do chains! Thank you!
Fantastic vid & awesome job on all, especially Manny
I must admit, the sheer size of the Gargantuan Squiggoth is hard to compete with but Kromlech's level of quality is incredible - especially if you consider the price. I just feel that the design of the Gnawzilla is a bit bland and too toad-y. Great paintjobs on all three though! And well deserved winners :)
aww, doggo got such character in dem lil eyes
100% appreciate the additional doggo content
The end of the video would have got you a million likes. She’s a little super star!
I feel like the trade of a mammoth toy for some treasure is enough compensation for the kids!
Fun story for me, when 10th rules for the ORKs were just coming out. Me and a few friends wanted to play with the new rules. One of my firends came with a Garg Squig, i won a big squig hunter award for taking it down without one of my own.
"More Waaarg! Gromit?!!" Great stuff all round :)
good old Isengard Uruk-Hai siege ladder can be used pretty much anywhere, still going strong even 20 years after the LOTR films
Incredible paint job on all 3, definitely worth the time investment
You did it, you mad lad. You did it!
Really great vídeo as always Guy!
Thanks mate!
Glad you have corrected your behavior, let's not make this mistake again. Next squiggoth should be a 3d printed lurcher.
I really appreciate your efforts to make your videos always positive. Would have been really easy for you to rant about GW with a clickbait title. Thanks for adding some positivity to the world.
A quick finger always sets things right indeed Mr Guy!
The squigoths are beautiful especilly manny sad to see my model not featured but thats cool theirs always next orktober mabey my other catfish squigs will be featured next orktober thanks for another banger guy from MWM
"appear to have run out of normal plasters" Sure, dude, just be you, own it. We don't judge!
Bravo Guy, you really knocked it out of the park with this project! Amazing work on these squiggoths and proxies
Also, any chance the start collecting tournament will continue soon? I'd love to see some new matches lol
Keep up the quality work as always, cheers!
P.S. bringing the puppy around is never a bad idea.
Never laughed as hard as I did when you were painting the squigoth shmeat XD Great video as always!
Didn't expect Da Looted Mammof'.
Whey hey!! Great to see you back.
Hail and salutations from Belfast Northern Ireland 🇬🇧
Thanks for joining us buddy
4:49 not me every time I open a new Warhammer box and start building,
My thumb is no more
I’m quite the fan of Manny the Squiggoth and it’s giving me that itchy scratchy bashy feeling because I have an old knockoff Lego dragon/creature thingy that I’ve been meaning to build a howdah for and I think I’ll sort of copy your idea for building it 👍
“We’ve got a head. Glad to see that’s not an optional extra.” 😂