I think we as naturals have to get over our hair "feeling" dry. Im learning that what I think is "dry" is actually what MY hair feels like💡 I had unrealistic expectations of what my hair should feel like or behave.
@@faithbankole4851 DRY HAIR - No snapback when you tug on your curls. - Not pliable enough - (my scalp hurts when my hair is dry so this might be another factor ? ) - Breakage( could also be from not having your hair trimmed for a long time, in need of a protein treatment) MOISTURIZED HAIR - Pliable enough - Your natural hair color would look richer(in my case, mine looks way darker when I properly hydrate it) - It’ll be able to retain those features(^)for days NOTE: I’m NOT a professional, I’m just stating what I’ve noticed on my hair after I followed some advices from professional hair stylists.
@@stefanie3star Thanks for the reply. In your experience, how long does your hair last before getting dry? How often and how exactly do you moisturize?
Hydrated hair shrinks. Thank you. Some of our obsessions with length let's us think that stretched -- dehydrated but lubricated -- hair is better than hydrated that shrinks and is healthy. Constant manipulation of the strands and dehydration can damage your elasticity.
Hi, I would like to say that depending on your length and thickness yes hair shrinkage everyday or often can become a problem. I started my hair journey with wash and goes or just letting my hair be most days with no problem and loved it. But when your hair gets longer and longer to full APL BSL waist length and your hair still shrinks back up to your ears you'll realize that it can become problematic to detangle, for knots, for single strand knots or just to put your hair in a simple ponytail, or maintain your hair during the week without using too much products... Look at youtubers with 4c long hair. Look at their journey and you'll see the same thing. As their hair gets longer they change their hair styles, their routine, they have to adapt to the new length. You need to keep it stretch more often, in low manipulation style more often... if you choose to maintain your long hair. Some even cut their hair in order to be able to wear it out or in more versatile styles more often without the hassle. So we have to stop judging other people and look at their reasons for doing things. If some women are obsessed with long hair and want to show their length what is wrong with that. I also see plenty which love how their short hair emphasizes their beautiful face feautures. And others who enjoy styles that shows off their hair thickness or their curl/coils pattern. Relaxers is bad and now stretching hair with braids, twist, bun, ponytail is bad too... Because let's remember that our hair does not need much to get stretch or to shrink. After wash day if I just put my hair in a ponytail it will stretch, if I put my hair in 2 braids it will strech, in a bun it will strech, If it gets hit by water it will shrink. So what is its natural state. No other hair does that. It's part of what our hair can do.
@@HereDiianas those problems with tangling, single strand knots and restyling of the hair come with the assumption that people with tightly coiled hair are still maintaining practices that are unproductive. The suggestions becoming popular from these stylists for regular hair care effectively combat these issues. Washing your hair regularly (every 4-10 days) regardless of whether you're not your hair is stretched or in its natural shrunken state minimize the tangling on washday (less shed hair to remove/less time for it to tangle in) Not using products that cause buildup and dryness (raw oils, butters) and trimming ends will also minimize tangling/single strand knots. Using products that leave the hair malleable if you do you want to change your style mid week (foams, soft hold gels). Using techniques to achieve your naturally defined, clump curls all over your hair keeps hair from tangling/knots. Adjust/reassess the rest of the routine/care and those things you mentioned aren't as much of a problem, regardless of how you choose to wear your hair. Many ppl who have done it are saying this. I didn't say stretching hair is bad. And if course some stretching is require to achieve certain styles (like a low bun). But constantly keeping your hair in a stretched state (especially highly stretched) can cause damage to the cuticle/elasticity. Much, much more damage than leaving it free. It's not necessary as hair gets longer. My thing is a lot of black ppl in particular act like *shrinkage* is BAD (and makes their hair completely unmanageable)... and it is NOT.
I think you're right. Since I stopped using oils on my hair, my hair strinks a lot better. I almost cut my hair because my ends were a bit stretched and I though they were damaged
@@HereDiianas Yes! I shed a lot and the winters here are dry dry dry! I have to always consider if I am in a heavy shedding time of year as well as what season it is as to whether I wear a wash and go or stretched styles because my goal is less manipulation and less breakage. I use what our hair can do to work for it, not against it.
Might I add, remember no oils and butter in the first 5 ingredients, also only clean products o silicones and any stuff not allowed in the curly girl method
My hair does feel a lot better, because my hair started to feel like barbie doll hair the past few months and I didn't know why. It was from the products build up, but now it feels normal and better. I like the method, I'm on week 5 and each week it has gotten better. Great video Jennifer.
I truly enjoy the no oil (especially no butter) in my hair. My hair is so moisturized I can't even believe it. I also get the snap back and it feel awesome. My hair is lighter, I use way less shampoo ( didn't really think a pea size amount of shampoo could clean my hair) but it does now. I'm loving it!! Thanks for the added info Jen.
Did your change your shampoo and conditioner or did you keep it. And what gel do you use. I am doing some research to better understand it before I try it.
@@nethaniapierre8149 if you type in 30 day detox, you will find a good amount of videos that are very detailed in method and products. There are also stylist who do tutorials
My high porosity hair cried. I did no oils and butters 5 years ago per my dermatologist instructions for seborrheic dermatitis. My scalp was better by 30% but my hair was worse by 50%. I returned to oils and butters and adjusted my shampoo by leaving a Zinc pyrithione shampoo on my scalp for 15 to 30 minutes before rinsing. Also I added Zinc pyrithione to my leave in.
I have seborirheic dermatitis also I put no oils or products on my scalp but I put it in my hair I wash my scalp often with medicated shampoo using a dye bottle only on my scalp and I put conditioner in my hair. I put products about 2 inches above my scalp to my ends. I am natural and my hair is now bra length. You can control it with some patients.
@@Laceycurls Funny thing about my dermatologist is they never recommended me to use Zinc Pyrithione. They gave me everything that they could charge for but the only thing that worked for me was over the counter. I found out about Zinc Pyrithione from a UA-cam dermatologist.
@@aprilracine I think it’s medium -high I have a lot of hair and it’s long I use a lot of product because of the excessive washing during flares. I do the LOC method after each wash. The only time I use product is after washing. I just use water to refresh twist outs or braid outs.
I think we're finally learning that length does not equal health. You can have short healthy hair, as long as it feels strong and you're confident about how it looks, quit worrying about length.
I’ve been doing this method for a while- since I went natural a few years ago actually! I workout a lot, and I just need the clean scalp feeling, and, I also find it just SO much faster and lower manipulation, it’s a keeper for me
How long does it take you to do your hair and how long is your hair? Although it will be twist out for me, I too workout/run 5 days a week so I’m looking for testimony of people who have sort of similar lifestyles as mine using this method.😊
@@Ossouko I’ve been doing it since Jan and I workout 5-6 days a week too and sweat A LOT. I primarily do wash and gos, but will do some twist outs from time to time. My hair is bra strap length when stretched and it takes me 20 mins to cleanse, condition, and detangle. 35-40 min to style, and 25 min to dry (in colder months) 40 min to dry (in the hot and humid months 🙁). So on a good day about a hour and a half, but at the most about 2 hrs. My hair usually last 7 days without refreshing, around day 6 it ends up in a puff.
After hearing so much about this method (Negative and Positive) I finally watched one of the videos by one of the ladies. Let me say I’m a natural with low porosity fine strands so I’ve always been discouraged from using butters of any kind by my stylist and you tubers that I follow. I don’t do wash and go’s and was never into putting gel on my hair. What I did learn from her video is the importance of washing the hair correctly to make sure you are getting off the product build up
Thanks for producing this video Jenn! I agree that mastering your wash and go takes time. As a style, I think it's still pretty quick since you're just adding gels and raking them through. Shingling is so not necessary. And if you're applying the gels the way Aishia and Aeleise teach, you use a lot less of them, so the products last quite awhile. Also, regarding the question about tangling. If a wash and go is set properly, even if it frizzes or shrinks during the week, the hair stays organized and somewhat clumped. The hair isn’t free to love on itself (tangle). I find it to be a very low manipulation style. I'd love to see you continue this for another month and wear twists or twist outs. I think it would be useful for people who aren't interested in wearing wash and go's to hear you talk about how your hair feels. I also think your wash days should get shorter. 4 hours is quite a long time to shampoo, condition, detangle, and style. Even Aishia - with all the hair - can detangle in about 10 minutes. You can do it Jenn!
This was a much needed ! There a lot of misconceptions out about not using oils or butter. Everybody should do what’s best for them and be open. For some this method will be work for them and for some not.
I agree that people need to do what works for them but shouldn't assume no oils and butter won't work without trying it. It will work for everyone if they put in the effort it takes. Styling is trial and error initially.
@@felicia_716 That’s exactly how I see things too. Don’t get me wrong I loved oil but I realized for me two years ago using raw oils were drying my hair. But when it’s formulated with other ingredients it’s fine.
@@felicia_716 Hi I agree with you. My problem with social media is the fact that people like to pretend that they found THE NEW method that works and to distinguish themselves they need to create a new word, a "new" method for it. I have been following youtubers for years. Plenty of black women do not use oil and butter. Plenty of black women have used "non black hair products" where there is no oil no butter or in an insignificant amount. Same with black women around me. So there is nothing new nothing special except that those women did not feel the need to create a special word for it, which create a trend and special videos for it, which UA-cam likes because we watch.... There is not THE way to take care of our hair there are X ways. Also this method against oils and butter does not mean anything. Do we all use oils/butter the same way? I don't think so.
A misconception I see is people really don't understand that oil/butter can still be left on your hair even after you shampoo. I found the Hydra Bar Salon youtube channel and they show client transformations with this method. It takes some of them well past 30 days to get the oil fully out. Like multiple weeks of shampooing to get it all off. I see too many people saying "Well if they just used shampoo in the first place 🙄" not understanding how hard it can be to completely remove raw oil/butter from hair.
Yes indeed, good point. I wasn't too too heavy on the oils (used them on and off and increased usage just before I stopped using them) and at first my hair felt lighter but wasn't any different. Then, months later I am now actually noticing a behaviour change. Which is wild. I already shampood twice a week so it wasn't only from washing but from less raw oil and using lighter products in general.
Also not to mention how some shampoos have tons of oils in them! The shampoo I was using before had oil in the top ingredients. So what was supposed to be cleansing my hair was adding on a layer of oil - on top of the oils/butters I was using - so it definitely may take some time to see a difference, depending on how you were caring for your hair before. I'm glad I understand now and discontinued using a lot of these products. It is really a night and day difference in my hair now.
I am loving no oils and butters in my hair. First few weeks were very rough but my wash day is at most 2 hours for everything. My hair is soft and hydrated.
I've done it AND my hair is better than ever! I've struggled with some thinning and it is now growing in much more full. My hair seems to retain moisture for much longer than before. I have not been able to get the look of the so-called "wash and go" that these ladies promote (which is actually an entire PROCESS & PROCEDURE but, I digress), but using a mousse as my only styling product has made my twist outs come out more consistently awesome than ever before. The twist-outs do poof up in less than a week, but my strands feel softer, more moisturized and the style still looks "good," IMO (i.e. I wear it out, to work, etc.) for an entire week before I shampoo, condition and style again. Oh - the mousse-only method dries much faster for me, too.
I’m going to wait a few years to see how this plays out. After being engrossed in the natural community and so many going back on what they’ve said and this and that I’m hesitant in changing up from my basics.
It's a lifestyle, my dear. Check out Anthony Dickeys method; it's the same thing. All those who knows their onion as regards hair all agree on the same thing; Cleanse (with shampoo) and Condition. That's the crux of the matter.
Keep it up! To your point about time, it WILL get faster, trust me. Styling, for me, went from 2.5 hours when I started the detox in December, to 20 minutes now, 7 months later. You will learn what your hair needs, and your hair will just “do that” after a while, so the time you take to style will go down dramatically.
I’m going to try this. I’m trying to simplify my routine to the BASICS. I noticed with myself the more complicated the routine the harder it is to stick to
The last video that I watched by Fo Adunni, she said that it took her about a year and a half ( about 16 to 18 months) to achieve the results that she got. That included techniques, detoxing, and educating herself about her hair care.
@@RedFlyingFox007 it’s not about the hair being dirty necessarily. But the hair being dehydrated from chronic product buildup over time. Rehydrating the hair after chronic dehydration takes multiple wash days. Many ppl have noticed better curl definition, hair is better at accepting and retaining moisture and their styles last longer throughout the week. The actual behavior of the hair changes.
I think she actually has a whole new head of hair too.. She did several big chops to her damaged hair and started over essentially. So she is working with new hair. Not old compromised hair like most of us are that are doing this method
@@kathleenadeshoga8415 I get people get build up, What I don't get is why someone would need separate washes to detox and get rid of build up, as opposed to one really deep clean where you shampoo and rinse multiple times.
Thanks for the true breakdown queen! Doing a version of the method for 4 months now, I’ve definitely noticed many things. However,I will say the topic of deep conditioners, and rinse out conditioners needs to be really understood! I used a rinse out conditioner for a month, and my overall elasticity was not great. However, stylist like mo knows hair, and lots of others really suggest using treatments that have a balance of moisture and protein. Especially the more textured your hair is, or if you have colored treated hair. The constant styling, environmental factors, and more can be very damaging after a week. However, it is all about preference. I spend a lot of time in the sun, sweating consistently, and just using a balancing treatment has worked for me. An elasticity treatment is very different and that also needs to be understood as well.
I used no oils and butter for a long time. My hair was always dry and itchy until I started the oil and butter , I think I'm stuck with it. No going back cause it works for me
My 4c hair low porosity hair absolutely loves this method and almost immediately responded well! Number one tip from me is to use heat when adding hydration to the hair. Sitting under the dryer with a cap and aloe Vera is chef’s kiss 😂❤️
I appreciate the explanation because I was a bit confused and if I'm to purchase these products my pocket is going to kill me so for now I'm sticking to what I've been doing because it's working. And to be honest I don't do a lot to my hair I steam with aloe vera gel, few drops of tea tree, rosemary and peppermint oil because of my scalp issues (and it's working 😊), shampoo, deep condition and leave in conditioner. Twist it up then I'm done.
Thanks for the tips. It doesn’t work for me as I was doing it unconsciously for years and my hair fell out badly and that’s what I was trying to explain in my video. I use oils regularly and butters occasionally now with water and my hair is picking up now. I can’t let my hair go back to what it was. Glad you said if oils and butters work for you keep using them.
You did an amazing detailed job and clarified very important details that I see so many others leaving out that really makes this particular way of hair maintenance or styling on the surface seem not very practical or beneficial. However, you stated the process very well. I am on week 2 of the process, and my first time, my shower was 50 minutes, including the clarifying step and my actual body care. I will state that I was use to shampooing weekly and cowashing( with conditioner, not cleansing conditioner) mid week or every 2-4 days depending on if my hair needed rehydration and I was use to applying my leave-in and sometimes styling products in the shower. The process time will decrease as your hair gets more hydrated and when you get use to the new cleansing, conditioning, styling process, as naturally any method you do, as you get more familiar with it, you get faster. I plan to complete the 30 days But I have no desire to, after the 30 days to eliminate my Ayurvedic scalp oil, that I use solely on my scalp after I hydrate my scalp and I will continue to deep condition with my Ayurvedic hair masks once to twice a month. So this experience is helping me see what steps I can “add to or subtract to improve”my hair maintenance. Thanks for sharing
I LOVE the changing of scenes that is happening as you talk! I dont know why, but it just make the video even more enjoyable 🤗. Moisture overload is totally a think. Happened to me twice, had to do a mild protein treatment to correct it. How do you know? Your hair will feel mushy, less elastic, frizzy, and if you have a curl pattern, you wont....lol.
I’ve been doing this for months and it works. I use wetline, I started with Cantu curl activator, now I’m on African pride twisting butter, recently got some design essentials products on sale and have been using those with the wetline. Idk, wetline just works for me, I don’t use too much and I don’t get buildup. It’s literally just copolymer, which is a molecule that holds a ton of water, so it makes a great humectant. I also apply more gel outside the shower, to help define it My only problem is that my environment is so dry right now that my hair, skin, even my eyes are suffering lol. I do my hair twice a week, it’s just easier and doesn’t take too long, 1-2 hours
I think the water does not penetrate because the follicles aren’t open. You can use it to make more manageable to detangle but it’s not hydrating the hair is what I think. When you wet your hair thoroughly the products comes off and the water can penetrate. Eco styler gel was recommended by Jennifer rose nyc she recommends the clear one for wash and go.
I think the reason the natural hair community is shifting back to a more "natural" approach is the lack of scientific evidence and abundance of buzz words that vaguely sound important. Not to discredit what you're saying, but I wish more naturals would look into the chemical interactions ingredients have with the hair strand and base their opinions on that.
I agree there is a woman by the name of I think Green Beauty on UA-cam and that is exactly what her channel is about. She breaks down the scientific effects of certain products and routines on natural hair. I love her channel.
@@chs2385 yes! not enough people are willing to look into what butters and oils are going to do a good job penetrating the hair shaft or sealing in moisture. There's far too much generalization, just because it doesn't work for you that doesn't mean it's something everyone should quit.
The science field has only recently been looking at curly and kinky hair, unfortunately. Dr Nonhlanhla Khumalo is an African doctor that has written some good scientific articles on aspects of African hair. You can find other good articles in her references and citations.
My hair does seem to like very light oil formulations. Like the Melanin haircare oil. However, strait up butters or hair with no butter or oils makes my hair extremely dry. So my hair has to have that medium. My hair cannot have more than 2 products on it. And it hates gel. Which is why this method turned me off at first because I saw a lot of women using gels. However, I could definitely do a modified version of it.
One of the things about this challenge is finding products that work best for you outside of your norm. The market can change like that (imagine a hand snapping it’s fingers). Butters and oils can become a thing of the past and companies adapt to the customers growing wants. So if butters and oils are gone, what’s left? This also introduces people to look at their hair differently. Instead of seeing 4C hair, you see density, porosity, and whether or not you have some sort of damage. And how your local climate affects your hair
This challenge also breaks the narrative that all type four girls have to use butters and oils and nothing else works for them, hence why knowing the actual makeup of your hair is better than worrying about your curl pattern.
I have two questions: 1) Humectants: In dryer climates with little to no humidity in the air, what is the position? 2) Has anyone talked about less expensive product option?
You can layer gels that don't have humectants on top of humectants style gels (i.e. topper gels) and really you can use classic gels on their own, as long as you're washing your hair regularly/not using oil (Jennifer rose is a proponent of using eco styler on its own). So called "white ppl hair products" are good and can be just as effective as the independent black owned products that are often recommended by these stylists. They have said many times it is not about the products themselves but the 1. Ingredients 2. The results you want (that the unique qualities of your hair at any given time, the climate you are in and your lifestyle are all factored into that). If you understand what different Ingredients will do you can go in any store and find a shampoo, conditioner and a styler that will work for your price point.
I love the no oils and no butter process! No more wash day, it a wash 2 hours! I was dry with oil and butters, but the method is easy and worked for me and my hair.
Jenn, because you did not typically style your hair in a wash and go, it is difficult for me to assess if your hair looks different with the detox thus far but I will take your word for it. I am enjoying the series. Would you try using a foam as a styler for your wash and go especially for persons who are not fans of gels. I typically use a cream only sealed with olive oil for my wash and gos and my hair lasts 2 weeks without refreshing. I am open to using a mousse.
I watched a few no oils, butters, or ecostyler gel videos. I decided to try it honestly because I got tired of my hair being so dry and frizzy after sometimes after a few hours. I have had a great experience! I will continue my regime that is the best I have had since going natural in 2015. My hair moves and is so moisturized.
I have done the 30 day detox no oil method and it was cool when my hair was short, but I honestly saw no difference in my hair health vs. when I use oil and butters. But i do use high quality hair products so hair health has never been an issue. But when my hair got long, there is no way i can do wash and go’s because my hair never dries and takes a lot of heat under a hooded dryer for it to dry. And i mean like 3 hours. And if a spot is damp and i put on a bonnet, my hair gets damp all over. So I just do twist and use what I want which is usually a cream and mousse or butter and mousse. And I use lighter oils. My hair is mid back now.
I agree let’s stop the madness. 😂🤣 Your hair, your experience . If you can’t trust your judgment by all means seek advice from a professional. If you learned your hair, you know it to a T and it works for you continue on your journey. If you want to experiment and try something different or a bit of both do it. If it makes sense to you and you see results go for it. If your hair breaks off, you’ll be mad for a whole but it will grow back.🙃
“Oil doesn’t do what we think is does” is the most accurate statement ever. Oil is a strengthening ingredient that bonds to keratin and fortifies the hair strand and builds up. The fact that oil is also an emollient that gives slip and seals in moisture tricks many into thinking it’s conditioning or moisturizing. People with coarse low porosity hair are often surprised when they “detox” and discover that their hard hair starts feeling much softer and more moisturized. But if oil works for you, use it!
You can do it. I have done the no oils and butters and then I went back to using them and I immediately noticed the difference. My hair became hard, dry it was not easy to detangle.
I feel like the “title” of the challenge is what led to a lot of the confusion. I think a lot of us have been taking care of our hair in a similar manner (without the heading of no oils or butters, which can easily be misinterpreted). As for re-moisturizing by spraying water in our hair, even with a coating of product, our strands are not impenetrable. Of course the practice is not as effective as one would hope but some water certainly penetrates that barrier. It also depends greatly on what you are using on your hair. I’m loving watching you try this out, Jenn. Your hair is gorgeous.
And i feel like the the title was started by some influencers who didn't fully understand the original message. saying no oils and no butters v stating no raw oils, raw butters or other raw ingredients is not the same thing.
Sis, your coils are Poppin !!!! I’ll probably try a modified version of it from time to time, but Im for sure going to keep doing my ayurvedics bc my hair has been THRIVING with it !
We have experienced clients that have serious matted and tangled knots and clumps of dreadlock hair because of this. Matted hair webs more when the hair is extremely dry.
When I first began my natural journey 6 years ago, I used coconut oil and virgin olive oil mixed together. It naturally curled my hair without using gel products or custards. Since then I have tried so many name brand products. Right now I just wash with shampoo, conditioning the hair then I just use uncle funkys I don’t have a lot of breakage at all. I love it!
I am glad you were up front and honest about the no oils/no butters 30 day detox challenge - i keep a TWAand sis. i stay washing my hair every five days,who has time for dirty hair - Jenn Is right ya'll shrinkage Is real,appreciate It, enjoy your healthy hair ..........
I agree that there are people that are using way too much products. The buildup will lead to the dry hair that a lot of people are mentioning. I don’t use commercial formula products like creams, gels, shampoos or conditioners, therefore using oils and butters and washing with apple cider vinegar is okay for me. If I used shampoos, conditioners and all the other commercial preparations, there would be no need to also use oils and butters. So I believe it’s either or, and both is unnecessary and may cause major build up. Because of my hairs uniqueness I’ve lost a lot of respect for hair stylists advice and dogmatic opinions over the years because they tend to be consistently wrong about my hair. Thanks to you UA-cam experimenters and advisers my very fragile hair is at bra strap length in 3 years and seem to want to keep going.❤️
Your hair looks great, and you are doing an excellent job explaining to beginners! Keep up the great work. Be encouraged your skill with a WnG will improve and you will be doing them in an hr or maybe less. I didn't come from a family that used extra (raw} oil and butter and nothing I saw on YT or the hair forums that I used to be in convinced me that I needed them. So although this seems like a trend to many on YT it's what I'm used to. The great thing for me has been the increase in the availability of botanical gels. My first gel was one called LA Looks, and it was in no way botanical. It's still made but I would never use it now. My first botanical was kinky-curly in 2012 and I still use it, but now I have plenty more choices which I'm so happy for.
I have resolved to keep it simple. Like wash, deep condition once a month. Daily leave in conditioner, then WG oil, lastly my activator. That's it. Sometimes for certain things, less is better.
Loved ur video. I have a question. I'm new to this no raw oils and butter thing. So my question is...what us ur take on going to a Stylist that make suggestions on products before doing ur hair? To start the 30 day detox prior to doing ur hair. And only have knowledge of that one said product that they sale at the shop.
I’ve been doing this routine for 6 months now. Once a week, I wash, condition, and style my hair, using a foam (The Doux Mouse Def) to twist. I veil, so my hair remains in twists until my next wash. Above all, even more important than the products you use or the techniques, is the way you dry your hair. Using a hooded dryer immediately after a wash has helped me offset my shrinkage (even though we love to see her) and get a bit of hang time. I find this helps detangling down the line. I paid 50 bucks for mine at the beauty supply. But I highly recommend you get one. Hair is dry in 20 minutes. Great video, Jenn!
The AG Boost shampoo is amazing. My hair stylist used it on my hair and now I am purchasing a bottle. It is a great clarifying shampoo. I will have to try the conditioner!
Yeah i don't care about the complaints lol. I tried to go back to castor oil (and other oils) to see what would happen, scalp was itchy after a day lol
I think a point that I am seeing said around is that we are truly over piling out hair and I think that is true. When I use too much of my cream it makes my hair weird and flaky so when I adjusted my portions, it made a huge difference. I think that over using product is something that should be a reminder in the NHC. A little bit can truly go a long way.
Yes, you can use a deep conditioner as a rinse out conditioner. Just avoid those with butters and oils in the first 5 ingredients if you're trying to keep build up at bay.
I really do love the way this information was presented (you know how some natural hair videos can be kinda "this is what you're doing wrong because you're wrong and I'm on camera so im not"?) but there is SO much out there just assuming that because something is popular, that means it's going to work. I genuinely appreciate the emphasis placed on doing what works for you and you don't have to feel like you should toss yourself in the trash and start over if you don't do what she's talking about 😂
appreciated this vid. some of us do grow high porosity hair though. oh and water getting into the hair and staying there for an extended amount of time causes it to swell and damage the cuticle layer
I have always been a huge fan of yours. I value your opinion. You bring us some really good information. I have never been one to wash my hair on a regular basis. Even with some scalp issues, I still don't. Maybe this method can help with that. I just need to find someone to help me with it. Thanks again.
As someone with microlocs, I dont use oils and butters nearly not at all. Mainly for the build up prevention but my hair has been fine. I only use oil after a wash day and that’s a maybe for me. I just spritz with rose water mostly.
since i started locing my hair i havent been using butters but oil 😢 lol idk if i would ever stop using oil since it helps hold in the moisture for longer than not sealing with oil
Hey Jenn,I had the same skin issues ( same skin complexion as you)and tried meaningful beauty my skin was clear in two days!! It's by Cindy Crawford .I still use it 10 later
It takes awhile to get the technique right. Thank you for a great explanation of the process. Patience and give it time might even take more than one month.
I disagree that people don’t grow high porosity hair. My hair is so fragile that I’ve been forced to wear it natural for most of my life, and the entire time my hair would dry in as little as 15 minutes when I just left it alone. If I did anything bad to it like blow drying or chemical treatment, it just went away (broke off) no matter how much protection I did, except the jeri curl as long as I kept it juiced up (hated it, too drippy). And I don’t believe I’m the only one because I seen other people describing the same thing about their hair. Some people do have natural high porosity hair growing put of their scalp. I’ve heard stylists say that it doesn’t, but I think they are wrong.
I have naturally high porosity. When I went natural I didn’t use any heat on my hair, maybe a blowout twice a year for protective style, and my stylist told me I have high porosity. 5 years of babying my hair and it’s high porosity but still healthy and growing well!
Once you get your hair hydrated then you can try different styles and color. That’s why the wash and goes are the best. I have short hair and my wash day is no more than 90min including drying.
So far so good using Up North Nature's 8 oil defining Gelly. This will be week 3. So much easier especially when you workout. I am enjoying the shrinkage. I have lots of snap back.
Good night Jenn How are you? Hoping all is well I have seen videos in between. I Haven't tried this because I have fine hair, single strand knots, my hair is high porisity. Question for the wash what other products do you recommend. The ones which you use for your wash are not sold in my region.
This was a very informative video. I love how you are open to trying new things, even when it goes against everything you thought you knew. I definitely thing the detox is a great why you start and get to know how your hair acts without too much other stuff. I think after the detox you’d be well informed on what products you actually need and what you can add as a plus. Thanks for this. I can’t wait to start mine. I just need to get the right products
love your series Jen!! Do you know if I can use the Camille Rose Curl maker as my "gel" if I want to try this method for about a month? I have 4chair as well, low porosity
I just got to the part where you mentioned the Botanical gels in the description... Curl maker was first on the list🤣🤣 thank you!!!...ok let me keep watching😊
You should put the links to the stylists’ pages in the description box. The whole point of this is to stop taking advice from influencers and listen to professionals
Thank you for the recommendations of styling creams and botanical gels! I’ve added Camille Rose’s Curl Maker and Almond Jai Twisting Butter to my cart. Looking forward to trying them 😁
Something simple and which has ALWAYS been around. I have followed black youtubers for more than 10 years. Some use oils and butter because they like it and their hair is gorgeous some don't and their hair is gorgeous but they did not need to label it the oil and butter method or the no oil and butter method or make special videos about it. Because there is NOTHING special about it. Just listen to your hair and use what you like. You don't like oils and butter then just don't use it.
@@GracefulKnots Exactly it's like some vegans ( you can eat vegan and eat healthy or unhealthy. Same for those who eat meat). Eating meat or fish does not mean you don't eat enough vegetables or meat at every single meal or that uou eat processed food. I think Japan is the best example for that as their food and health is known and documented. If we stick to hair it's like the water only method that nobody follow anymore, or the co-wash only, or clean your hair with clay only. Who only co-wash nowdays? "Use coconut oil it grows hair" then coconut oil became the devil even for those who used to swear their hair loved it.... it's exhausting and because of that I start to get tired wih hair videos. It's like everybody needs to follow trend to stay relevant because of the UA-cam algorithm. Because UA-cam like new things. But how many "new" method do we "need" ???
@@HereDiianas you are right. We don't need all these trends. I honestly feel if people take care of their hair the way hey should they would be the ones who know what is best for them
Thank you so much for explaining that so well, I will start this method because the oils don't really works for my hair and I always wandered why. Can you explain what are the ingredients of bothanicals and plastic gels? Because I'm not from US and I'm trying to find gels that can be bothanicals around here.
Jenn... What an excellent video 😁📸 I think this is the best one you've made to date! You have inspired me to try this method! Thank you for being YOU! 💜😍
I am doing to try it lol Please tell me if I am doing it wrong 1-pree poop with aloes and rice water 2-wash with sulphate free shampoo (I use the mane choice shampoo) 3- deep conditioner (the mane choice a ancient Egyptian deep conditioner) I prefer my hair stretched so while in the shower i am going to braid my hair in 3 and allow my hair to air dry I dont do wash n goes I only keep my hair in a bun . When I am putting it in a bun I only use water and natural hair gel . And I won’t wash my hair for 30 days
I have too many products to just give them up, but I might try it. Time will tell! I just looked at my stash, I already have one of these botanical gels!!
I think we as naturals have to get over our hair "feeling" dry. Im learning that what I think is "dry" is actually what MY hair feels like💡
I had unrealistic expectations of what my hair should feel like or behave.
If this isn’t the truth !
Could you please tell me what dry hair feels like in contrast to moisturized hair? I’ve been wondering the answer to this question for years now.
@@faithbankole4851 DRY HAIR
- No snapback when you tug on your curls.
- Not pliable enough
- (my scalp hurts when my hair is dry so this might be another factor ? )
- Breakage( could also be from not having your hair trimmed for a long time, in need of a protein treatment)
MOISTURIZED HAIR
- Pliable enough
- Your natural hair color would look richer(in my case, mine looks way darker when
I properly hydrate it)
- It’ll be able to retain those features(^)for days
NOTE: I’m NOT a professional, I’m just stating what I’ve noticed on my hair after I followed some advices from professional hair stylists.
Preach!!
@@stefanie3star Thanks for the reply.
In your experience, how long does your hair last before getting dry?
How often and how exactly do you moisturize?
Hydrated hair shrinks. Thank you.
Some of our obsessions with length let's us think that stretched -- dehydrated but lubricated -- hair is better than hydrated that shrinks and is healthy.
Constant manipulation of the strands and dehydration can damage your elasticity.
Hi, I would like to say that depending on your length and thickness yes hair shrinkage everyday or often can become a problem. I started my hair journey with wash and goes or just letting my hair be most days with no problem and loved it. But when your hair gets longer and longer to full APL BSL waist length and your hair still shrinks back up to your ears you'll realize that it can become problematic to detangle, for knots, for single strand knots or just to put your hair in a simple ponytail, or maintain your hair during the week without using too much products... Look at youtubers with 4c long hair. Look at their journey and you'll see the same thing. As their hair gets longer they change their hair styles, their routine, they have to adapt to the new length. You need to keep it stretch more often, in low manipulation style more often... if you choose to maintain your long hair. Some even cut their hair in order to be able to wear it out or in more versatile styles more often without the hassle. So we have to stop judging other people and look at their reasons for doing things. If some women are obsessed with long hair and want to show their length what is wrong with that. I also see plenty which love how their short hair emphasizes their beautiful face feautures. And others who enjoy styles that shows off their hair thickness or their curl/coils pattern. Relaxers is bad and now stretching hair with braids, twist, bun, ponytail is bad too... Because let's remember that our hair does not need much to get stretch or to shrink. After wash day if I just put my hair in a ponytail it will stretch, if I put my hair in 2 braids it will strech, in a bun it will strech, If it gets hit by water it will shrink. So what is its natural state. No other hair does that. It's part of what our hair can do.
@@HereDiianas those problems with tangling, single strand knots and restyling of the hair come with the assumption that people with tightly coiled hair are still maintaining practices that are unproductive.
The suggestions becoming popular from these stylists for regular hair care effectively combat these issues. Washing your hair regularly (every 4-10 days) regardless of whether you're not your hair is stretched or in its natural shrunken state minimize the tangling on washday (less shed hair to remove/less time for it to tangle in) Not using products that cause buildup and dryness (raw oils, butters) and trimming ends will also minimize tangling/single strand knots. Using products that leave the hair malleable if you do you want to change your style mid week (foams, soft hold gels). Using techniques to achieve your naturally defined, clump curls all over your hair keeps hair from tangling/knots.
Adjust/reassess the rest of the routine/care and those things you mentioned aren't as much of a problem, regardless of how you choose to wear your hair. Many ppl who have done it are saying this.
I didn't say stretching hair is bad. And if course some stretching is require to achieve certain styles (like a low bun). But constantly keeping your hair in a stretched state (especially highly stretched) can cause damage to the cuticle/elasticity. Much, much more damage than leaving it free. It's not necessary as hair gets longer.
My thing is a lot of black ppl in particular act like *shrinkage* is BAD (and makes their hair completely unmanageable)... and it is NOT.
I think you're right. Since I stopped using oils on my hair, my hair strinks a lot better. I almost cut my hair because my ends were a bit stretched and I though they were damaged
@@HereDiianas Yes! I shed a lot and the winters here are dry dry dry! I have to always consider if I am in a heavy shedding time of year as well as what season it is as to whether I wear a wash and go or stretched styles because my goal is less manipulation and less breakage. I use what our hair can do to work for it, not against it.
@@lblack1961 yeah I had the same problem before I just do braid outs because my hair is stretched and stays moistureised for longer
This is the most thorough and objective explanation of the no oils and butters method I have seen. Excellent!!
Thank you!!! 🙌🏽👌🏾
Yep bc I thought it meant no store products WITH butters and oils and I was like I can’t do that. This was good
Yes. Her explanation is much clearer than what I have heard from others.
Might I add, remember no oils and butter in the first 5 ingredients, also only clean products o silicones and any stuff not allowed in the curly girl method
What ever works for your hair is the best method.
Agreed!
@@JennJackson ♥️♥️♥️
@@TsholoPhoka ⁰⁰
Exactly!!!
Amen
My hair does feel a lot better, because my hair started to feel like barbie doll hair the past few months and I didn't know why. It was from the products build up, but now it feels normal and better. I like the method, I'm on week 5 and each week it has gotten better. Great video Jennifer.
I truly enjoy the no oil (especially no butter) in my hair. My hair is so moisturized I can't even believe it. I also get the snap back and it feel awesome. My hair is lighter, I use way less shampoo ( didn't really think a pea size amount of shampoo could clean my hair) but it does now. I'm loving it!! Thanks for the added info Jen.
Did your change your shampoo and conditioner or did you keep it. And what gel do you use. I am doing some research to better understand it before I try it.
I've experienced the lighter feel to my hair 👍
@@nethaniapierre8149 if you type in 30 day detox, you will find a good amount of videos that are very detailed in method and products. There are also stylist who do tutorials
Yes, m hair is thriving
Yup, my hair is thriving too! Love this. It’s so easy to take care of my hair now.
My high porosity hair cried. I did no oils and butters 5 years ago per my dermatologist instructions for seborrheic dermatitis. My scalp was better by 30% but my hair was worse by 50%. I returned to oils and butters and adjusted my shampoo by leaving a Zinc pyrithione shampoo on my scalp for 15 to 30 minutes before rinsing. Also I added Zinc pyrithione to my leave in.
I have seborirheic dermatitis also I put no oils or products on my scalp but I put it in my hair I wash my scalp often with medicated shampoo using a dye bottle only on my scalp and I put conditioner in my hair. I put products about 2 inches above my scalp to my ends. I am natural and my hair is now bra length. You can control it with some patients.
@@Laceycurls Is your hair high porosity?
@@Laceycurls Funny thing about my dermatologist is they never recommended me to use Zinc Pyrithione. They gave me everything that they could charge for but the only thing that worked for me was over the counter. I found out about Zinc Pyrithione from a UA-cam dermatologist.
@@aprilracine same here I use head and shoulders clinical strength.
@@aprilracine I think it’s medium -high I have a lot of hair and it’s long I use a lot of product because of the excessive washing during flares. I do the LOC method after each wash. The only time I use product is after washing. I just use water to refresh twist outs or braid outs.
I think we're finally learning that length does not equal health. You can have short healthy hair, as long as it feels strong and you're confident about how it looks, quit worrying about length.
I’ve been doing this method for a while- since I went natural a few years ago actually! I workout a lot, and I just need the clean scalp feeling, and, I also find it just SO much faster and lower manipulation, it’s a keeper for me
How long does it take you to do your hair and how long is your hair?
Although it will be twist out for me, I too workout/run 5 days a week so I’m looking for testimony of people who have sort of similar lifestyles as mine using this method.😊
@@Ossouko probably about 30 min to wash and 45 min to dry? My hair is around chin length when stretched, but quite dense!
@@Ossouko I’ve been doing it since Jan and I workout 5-6 days a week too and sweat A LOT. I primarily do wash and gos, but will do some twist outs from time to time. My hair is bra strap length when stretched and it takes me 20 mins to cleanse, condition, and detangle. 35-40 min to style, and 25 min to dry (in colder months) 40 min to dry (in the hot and humid months 🙁). So on a good day about a hour and a half, but at the most about 2 hrs. My hair usually last 7 days without refreshing, around day 6 it ends up in a puff.
@@martlet08 thank you!
After hearing so much about this method (Negative and Positive) I finally watched one of the videos by one of the ladies. Let me say I’m a natural with low porosity fine strands so I’ve always been discouraged from using butters of any kind by my stylist and you tubers that I follow. I don’t do wash and go’s and was never into putting gel on my hair. What I did learn from her video is the importance of washing the hair correctly to make sure you are getting off the product build up
Thanks for producing this video Jenn! I agree that mastering your wash and go takes time. As a style, I think it's still pretty quick since you're just adding gels and raking them through. Shingling is so not necessary. And if you're applying the gels the way Aishia and Aeleise teach, you use a lot less of them, so the products last quite awhile.
Also, regarding the question about tangling. If a wash and go is set properly, even if it frizzes or shrinks during the week, the hair stays organized and somewhat clumped. The hair isn’t free to love on itself (tangle). I find it to be a very low manipulation style.
I'd love to see you continue this for another month and wear twists or twist outs. I think it would be useful for people who aren't interested in wearing wash and go's to hear you talk about how your hair feels. I also think your wash days should get shorter. 4 hours is quite a long time to shampoo, condition, detangle, and style. Even Aishia - with all the hair - can detangle in about 10 minutes. You can do it Jenn!
how do you set a wash & go properly so it doesn't tangle? That's the whole reason I haven't done one yet bc I don't want tangles
This was a much needed ! There a lot of misconceptions out about not using oils or butter. Everybody should do what’s best for them and be open. For some this method will be work for them and for some not.
I agree that people need to do what works for them but shouldn't assume no oils and butter won't work without trying it. It will work for everyone if they put in the effort it takes. Styling is trial and error initially.
@@felicia_716 That’s exactly how I see things too. Don’t get me wrong I loved oil but I realized for me two years ago using raw oils were drying my hair. But when it’s formulated with other ingredients it’s fine.
@@felicia_716 Hi I agree with you. My problem with social media is the fact that people like to pretend that they found THE NEW method that works and to distinguish themselves they need to create a new word, a "new" method for it. I have been following youtubers for years. Plenty of black women do not use oil and butter. Plenty of black women have used "non black hair products" where there is no oil no butter or in an insignificant amount. Same with black women around me. So there is nothing new nothing special except that those women did not feel the need to create a special word for it, which create a trend and special videos for it, which UA-cam likes because we watch.... There is not THE way to take care of our hair there are X ways. Also this method against oils and butter does not mean anything. Do we all use oils/butter the same way? I don't think so.
@@HereDiianas Very well said with a lot of valid points!
@@felicia_716 I personally tried it and just feel like butter especially Shea butters work better in my hair
A misconception I see is people really don't understand that oil/butter can still be left on your hair even after you shampoo. I found the Hydra Bar Salon youtube channel and they show client transformations with this method. It takes some of them well past 30 days to get the oil fully out. Like multiple weeks of shampooing to get it all off.
I see too many people saying "Well if they just used shampoo in the first place 🙄" not understanding how hard it can be to completely remove raw oil/butter from hair.
I’m glad you mentioned this. This is an important point. Thank you!
I saw such a huge difference with my own hair and I wasn’t even a huge oil/butter user. It took two months but it’s been really fun.
How much oil and butter build up are we talking about though?
Yes indeed, good point. I wasn't too too heavy on the oils (used them on and off and increased usage just before I stopped using them) and at first my hair felt lighter but wasn't any different. Then, months later I am now actually noticing a behaviour change. Which is wild. I already shampood twice a week so it wasn't only from washing but from less raw oil and using lighter products in general.
Also not to mention how some shampoos have tons of oils in them! The shampoo I was using before had oil in the top ingredients. So what was supposed to be cleansing my hair was adding on a layer of oil - on top of the oils/butters I was using - so it definitely may take some time to see a difference, depending on how you were caring for your hair before. I'm glad I understand now and discontinued using a lot of these products. It is really a night and day difference in my hair now.
I am loving no oils and butters in my hair. First few weeks were very rough but my wash day is at most 2 hours for everything. My hair is soft and hydrated.
I've done it AND my hair is better than ever! I've struggled with some thinning and it is now growing in much more full. My hair seems to retain moisture for much longer than before. I have not been able to get the look of the so-called "wash and go" that these ladies promote (which is actually an entire PROCESS & PROCEDURE but, I digress), but using a mousse as my only styling product has made my twist outs come out more consistently awesome than ever before. The twist-outs do poof up in less than a week, but my strands feel softer, more moisturized and the style still looks "good," IMO (i.e. I wear it out, to work, etc.) for an entire week before I shampoo, condition and style again. Oh - the mousse-only method dries much faster for me, too.
I’m going to wait a few years to see how this plays out. After being engrossed in the natural community and so many going back on what they’ve said and this and that I’m hesitant in changing up from my basics.
It's a lifestyle, my dear. Check out Anthony Dickeys method; it's the same thing. All those who knows their onion as regards hair all agree on the same thing; Cleanse (with shampoo) and Condition. That's the crux of the matter.
Keep it up! To your point about time, it WILL get faster, trust me. Styling, for me, went from 2.5 hours when I started the detox in December, to 20 minutes now, 7 months later. You will learn what your hair needs, and your hair will just “do that” after a while, so the time you take to style will go down dramatically.
I’m going to try this. I’m trying to simplify my routine to the BASICS. I noticed with myself the more complicated the routine the harder it is to stick to
This was needed because people lack the common sense to not bash people for trying this method.
The last video that I watched by Fo Adunni, she said that it took her about a year and a half ( about 16 to 18 months) to achieve the results that she got. That included techniques, detoxing, and educating herself about her hair care.
I don't understand detoxing. Like how dirty is your hair that shampoo doesn't cut it.
Not dirt, but build up of product.
@@RedFlyingFox007 it’s not about the hair being dirty necessarily. But the hair being dehydrated from chronic product buildup over time. Rehydrating the hair after chronic dehydration takes multiple wash days. Many ppl have noticed better curl definition, hair is better at accepting and retaining moisture and their styles last longer throughout the week. The actual behavior of the hair changes.
I think she actually has a whole new head of hair too.. She did several big chops to her damaged hair and started over essentially. So she is working with new hair. Not old compromised hair like most of us are that are doing this method
@@kathleenadeshoga8415
I get people get build up,
What I don't get is why someone would need separate washes to detox and get rid of build up, as opposed to one really deep clean where you shampoo and rinse multiple times.
personally oils and butters always work for me...but i also clarify every wash day
Same here! Whenever I wash my hair. I use this shampoo that makes your scalp feel clean.
Thanks for the true breakdown queen! Doing a version of the method for 4 months now, I’ve definitely noticed many things. However,I will say the topic of deep conditioners, and rinse out conditioners needs to be really understood! I used a rinse out conditioner for a month, and my overall elasticity was not great. However, stylist like mo knows hair, and lots of others really suggest using treatments that have a balance of moisture and protein. Especially the more textured your hair is, or if you have colored treated hair. The constant styling, environmental factors, and more can be very damaging after a week. However, it is all about preference. I spend a lot of time in the sun, sweating consistently, and just using a balancing treatment has worked for me. An elasticity treatment is very different and that also needs to be understood as well.
I used no oils and butter for a long time.
My hair was always dry and itchy until I started the oil and butter , I think I'm stuck with it. No going back cause it works for me
My 4c hair low porosity hair absolutely loves this method and almost immediately responded well! Number one tip from me is to use heat when adding hydration to the hair. Sitting under the dryer with a cap and aloe Vera is chef’s kiss 😂❤️
I appreciate the explanation because I was a bit confused and if I'm to purchase these products my pocket is going to kill me so for now I'm sticking to what I've been doing because it's working. And to be honest I don't do a lot to my hair I steam with aloe vera gel, few drops of tea tree, rosemary and peppermint oil because of my scalp issues (and it's working 😊), shampoo, deep condition and leave in conditioner. Twist it up then I'm done.
@Stacy Ann Walker Hey
Does the aloe vera gel serve as a prepoo?
Thanks for the tips. It doesn’t work for me as I was doing it unconsciously for years and my hair fell out badly and that’s what I was trying to explain in my video. I use oils regularly and butters occasionally now with water and my hair is picking up now. I can’t let my hair go back to what it was. Glad you said if oils and butters work for you keep using them.
You did an amazing detailed job and clarified very important details that I see so many others leaving out that really makes this particular way of hair maintenance or styling on the surface seem not very practical or beneficial. However, you stated the process very well. I am on week 2 of the process, and my first time, my shower was 50 minutes, including the clarifying step and my actual body care. I will state that I was use to shampooing weekly and cowashing( with conditioner, not cleansing conditioner) mid week or every 2-4 days depending on if my hair needed rehydration and I was use to applying my leave-in and sometimes styling products in the shower. The process time will decrease as your hair gets more hydrated and when you get use to the new cleansing, conditioning, styling process, as naturally any method you do, as you get more familiar with it, you get faster. I plan to complete the 30 days But I have no desire to, after the 30 days to eliminate my Ayurvedic scalp oil, that I use solely on my scalp after I hydrate my scalp and I will continue to deep condition with my Ayurvedic hair masks once to twice a month. So this experience is helping me see what steps I can “add to or subtract to improve”my hair maintenance. Thanks for sharing
I LOVE the changing of scenes that is happening as you talk! I dont know why, but it just make the video even more enjoyable 🤗.
Moisture overload is totally a think. Happened to me twice, had to do a mild protein treatment to correct it. How do you know? Your hair will feel mushy, less elastic, frizzy, and if you have a curl pattern, you wont....lol.
I’ve been doing this for months and it works. I use wetline, I started with Cantu curl activator, now I’m on African pride twisting butter, recently got some design essentials products on sale and have been using those with the wetline. Idk, wetline just works for me, I don’t use too much and I don’t get buildup. It’s literally just copolymer, which is a molecule that holds a ton of water, so it makes a great humectant. I also apply more gel outside the shower, to help define it
My only problem is that my environment is so dry right now that my hair, skin, even my eyes are suffering lol. I do my hair twice a week, it’s just easier and doesn’t take too long, 1-2 hours
I think the water does not penetrate because the follicles aren’t open. You can use it to make more manageable to detangle but it’s not hydrating the hair is what I think. When you wet your hair thoroughly the products comes off and the water can penetrate. Eco styler gel was recommended by Jennifer rose nyc she recommends the clear one for wash and go.
I think the reason the natural hair community is shifting back to a more "natural" approach is the lack of scientific evidence and abundance of buzz words that vaguely sound important. Not to discredit what you're saying, but I wish more naturals would look into the chemical interactions ingredients have with the hair strand and base their opinions on that.
the same can be said about wanting to use natural products like butters and oils
I agree there is a woman by the name of I think Green Beauty on UA-cam and that is exactly what her channel is about. She breaks down the scientific effects of certain products and routines on natural hair. I love her channel.
@@chs2385 yes! not enough people are willing to look into what butters and oils are going to do a good job penetrating the hair shaft or sealing in moisture. There's far too much generalization, just because it doesn't work for you that doesn't mean it's something everyone should quit.
I like what you’re saying; Green Beauty and Curly Chemistry have been giving us quite insightful videos. We do need more of those
The science field has only recently been looking at curly and kinky hair, unfortunately. Dr Nonhlanhla Khumalo is an African doctor that has written some good scientific articles on aspects of African hair. You can find other good articles in her references and citations.
My hair does seem to like very light oil formulations. Like the Melanin haircare oil. However, strait up butters or hair with no butter or oils makes my hair extremely dry. So my hair has to have that medium. My hair cannot have more than 2 products on it. And it hates gel. Which is why this method turned me off at first because I saw a lot of women using gels. However, I could definitely do a modified version of it.
You can use mousse and see if that works
Yeah I use a leave in and out and oil over it and that works, but just oils make my hair dry
One of the things about this challenge is finding products that work best for you outside of your norm. The market can change like that (imagine a hand snapping it’s fingers). Butters and oils can become a thing of the past and companies adapt to the customers growing wants. So if butters and oils are gone, what’s left? This also introduces people to look at their hair differently. Instead of seeing 4C hair, you see density, porosity, and whether or not you have some sort of damage. And how your local climate affects your hair
This challenge also breaks the narrative that all type four girls have to use butters and oils and nothing else works for them, hence why knowing the actual makeup of your hair is better than worrying about your curl pattern.
Ftft
I have two questions:
1) Humectants: In dryer climates with little to no humidity in the air, what is the position?
2) Has anyone talked about less expensive product option?
You can layer gels that don't have humectants on top of humectants style gels (i.e. topper gels) and really you can use classic gels on their own, as long as you're washing your hair regularly/not using oil (Jennifer rose is a proponent of using eco styler on its own).
So called "white ppl hair products" are good and can be just as effective as the independent black owned products that are often recommended by these stylists.
They have said many times it is not about the products themselves but the 1. Ingredients 2. The results you want (that the unique qualities of your hair at any given time, the climate you are in and your lifestyle are all factored into that).
If you understand what different Ingredients will do you can go in any store and find a shampoo, conditioner and a styler that will work for your price point.
@@sart1348 Thank you very much 😁
Saw someone use glycerin
I love the no oils and no butter process! No more wash day, it a wash 2 hours! I was dry with oil and butters, but the method is easy and worked for me and my hair.
Jenn, because you did not typically style your hair in a wash and go, it is difficult for me to assess if your hair looks different with the detox thus far but I will take your word for it. I am enjoying the series. Would you try using a foam as a styler for your wash and go especially for persons who are not fans of gels. I typically use a cream only sealed with olive oil for my wash and gos and my hair lasts 2 weeks without refreshing. I am open to using a mousse.
Thank you for showing us the hair ball at the end. Some hair loss is to be expected.
You’re welcome 😊
I watched a few no oils, butters, or ecostyler gel videos. I decided to try it honestly because I got tired of my hair being so dry and frizzy after sometimes after a few hours. I have had a great experience! I will continue my regime that is the best I have had since going natural in 2015. My hair moves and is so moisturized.
I have done the 30 day detox no oil method and it was cool when my hair was short, but I honestly saw no difference in my hair health vs. when I use oil and butters. But i do use high quality hair products so hair health has never been an issue. But when my hair got long, there is no way i can do wash and go’s because my hair never dries and takes a lot of heat under a hooded dryer for it to dry. And i mean like 3 hours. And if a spot is damp and i put on a bonnet, my hair gets damp all over. So I just do twist and use what I want which is usually a cream and mousse or butter and mousse. And I use lighter oils. My hair is mid back now.
I agree let’s stop the madness. 😂🤣
Your hair, your experience . If you can’t trust your judgment by all means seek advice from a professional. If you learned your hair, you know it to a T and it works for you continue on your journey. If you want to experiment and try something different or a bit of both do it. If it makes sense to you and you see results go for it. If your hair breaks off, you’ll be mad for a whole but it will grow back.🙃
I love that you have so embraced your shrinkage- 3 years later and I am still fighting her.
Girl these transition angles. Yasssss Qweeen things
“Oil doesn’t do what we think is does” is the most accurate statement ever. Oil is a strengthening ingredient that bonds to keratin and fortifies the hair strand and builds up.
The fact that oil is also an emollient that gives slip and seals in moisture tricks many into thinking it’s conditioning or moisturizing.
People with coarse low porosity hair are often surprised when they “detox” and discover that their hard hair starts feeling much softer and more moisturized. But if oil works for you, use it!
You can do it. I have done the no oils and butters and then I went back to using them and I immediately noticed the difference. My hair became hard, dry it was not easy to detangle.
Came to this video for hair knowledge & pleasantly surprised to hear my music in the background! 💕💕
Omg sis I LOVE all your tracks on epidemic sounds 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I feel like the “title” of the challenge is what led to a lot of the confusion. I think a lot of us have been taking care of our hair in a similar manner (without the heading of no oils or butters, which can easily be misinterpreted). As for re-moisturizing by spraying water in our hair, even with a coating of product, our strands are not impenetrable. Of course the practice is not as effective as one would hope but some water certainly penetrates that barrier. It also depends greatly on what you are using on your hair. I’m loving watching you try this out, Jenn. Your hair is gorgeous.
And i feel like the the title was started by some influencers who didn't fully understand the original message. saying no oils and no butters v stating no raw oils, raw butters or other raw ingredients is not the same thing.
I 💯 agree with. This method is not introducing anything new, it's just saying less is more. Which most people already know.
Sis, your coils are Poppin !!!! I’ll probably try a modified version of it from time to time, but Im for sure going to keep doing my ayurvedics bc my hair has been THRIVING with it !
I still use them i have learned not to over do it. Thank you
I'm loving your new video format! Afope Atoyebi has a good video about "moisturized" vs conditioned. Blew my mind!
God Bless you My Darling for this all important advice ,some people just know how to get us confused
We have experienced clients that have serious matted and tangled knots and clumps of dreadlock hair because of this.
Matted hair webs more when the hair is extremely dry.
When I first began my natural journey 6 years ago, I used coconut oil and virgin olive oil mixed together. It naturally curled my hair without using gel products or custards. Since then I have tried so many name brand products. Right now I just wash with shampoo, conditioning the hair then I just use uncle funkys I don’t have a lot of breakage at all. I love it!
I am glad you were up front and honest about the no oils/no butters 30 day detox challenge - i keep a TWAand sis. i stay washing my hair every five days,who has time for dirty hair -
Jenn Is right ya'll shrinkage Is real,appreciate It, enjoy your healthy hair ..........
I agree that there are people that are using way too much products. The buildup will lead to the dry hair that a lot of people are mentioning.
I don’t use commercial formula products like creams, gels, shampoos or conditioners, therefore using oils and butters and washing with apple cider vinegar is okay for me.
If I used shampoos, conditioners and all the other commercial preparations, there would be no need to also use oils and butters. So I believe it’s either or, and both is unnecessary and may cause major build up.
Because of my hairs uniqueness I’ve lost a lot of respect for hair stylists advice and dogmatic opinions over the years because they tend to be consistently wrong about my hair. Thanks to you UA-cam experimenters and advisers my very fragile hair is at bra strap length in 3 years and seem to want to keep going.❤️
Your hair looks great, and you are doing an excellent job explaining to beginners! Keep up the great work. Be encouraged your skill with a WnG will improve and you will be doing them in an hr or maybe less. I didn't come from a family that used extra (raw} oil and butter and nothing I saw on YT or the hair forums that I used to be in convinced me that I needed them. So although this seems like a trend to many on YT it's what I'm used to. The great thing for me has been the increase in the availability of botanical gels. My first gel was one called LA Looks, and it was in no way botanical. It's still made but I would never use it now. My first botanical was kinky-curly in 2012 and I still use it, but now I have plenty more choices which I'm so happy for.
I LOVE your videos. Thank you for being thorough and knowledgeable. I’m a heavy researcher so I appreciate UA-camrs who put in research. ♥️
Thanks for making it clearer and simpler
I have resolved to keep it simple. Like wash, deep condition once a month. Daily leave in conditioner, then WG oil, lastly my activator. That's it. Sometimes for certain things, less is better.
Also, you are the first person I’ve ever seen on UA-cam that has a large ball of shedding hair! Like… I finally feel like it’s normal!
Loved ur video. I have a question. I'm new to this no raw oils and butter thing. So my question is...what us ur take on going to a Stylist that make suggestions on products before doing ur hair? To start the 30 day detox prior to doing ur hair. And only have knowledge of that one said product that they sale at the shop.
I’ve been doing this routine for 6 months now. Once a week, I wash, condition, and style my hair, using a foam (The Doux Mouse Def) to twist. I veil, so my hair remains in twists until my next wash.
Above all, even more important than the products you use or the techniques, is the way you dry your hair. Using a hooded dryer immediately after a wash has helped me offset my shrinkage (even though we love to see her) and get a bit of hang time. I find this helps detangling down the line.
I paid 50 bucks for mine at the beauty supply. But I highly recommend you get one. Hair is dry in 20 minutes.
Great video, Jenn!
The AG Boost shampoo is amazing. My hair stylist used it on my hair and now I am purchasing a bottle. It is a great clarifying shampoo. I will have to try the conditioner!
Yeah i don't care about the complaints lol. I tried to go back to castor oil (and other oils) to see what would happen, scalp was itchy after a day lol
I think a point that I am seeing said around is that we are truly over piling out hair and I think that is true. When I use too much of my cream it makes my hair weird and flaky so when I adjusted my portions, it made a huge difference. I think that over using product is something that should be a reminder in the NHC. A little bit can truly go a long way.
Jenn it's the snap back for me oh the moisture 😍❤
Right??? like excuse me?
My hair already feels better. This method is the truth.
I’m loving this series and your approach and take on the subject. Thank you!
You can use your deep conditioner as regular conditioner to use them up correct? Then purchase better quality conditioner later.
Yes, you can use a deep conditioner as a rinse out conditioner. Just avoid those with butters and oils in the first 5 ingredients if you're trying to keep build up at bay.
Yup, I did this to use up some older products
I really do love the way this information was presented (you know how some natural hair videos can be kinda "this is what you're doing wrong because you're wrong and I'm on camera so im not"?) but there is SO much out there just assuming that because something is popular, that means it's going to work. I genuinely appreciate the emphasis placed on doing what works for you and you don't have to feel like you should toss yourself in the trash and start over if you don't do what she's talking about 😂
appreciated this vid. some of us do grow high porosity hair though. oh and water getting into the hair and staying there for an extended amount of time causes it to swell and damage the cuticle layer
I have always been a huge fan of yours. I value your opinion. You bring us some really good information. I have never been one to wash my hair on a regular basis. Even with some scalp issues, I still don't. Maybe this method can help with that. I just need to find someone to help me with it. Thanks again.
As someone with microlocs, I dont use oils and butters nearly not at all. Mainly for the build up prevention but my hair has been fine. I only use oil after a wash day and that’s a maybe for me. I just spritz with rose water mostly.
since i started locing my hair i havent been using butters but oil 😢 lol idk if i would ever stop using oil since it helps hold in the moisture for longer than not sealing with oil
Thank you so much for this. I’m learning on how to take care of my hair.
Hey Jenn,I had the same skin issues ( same skin complexion as you)and tried meaningful beauty my skin was clear in two days!! It's by Cindy Crawford .I still use it 10 later
I’m so happy you’re doing this series! Subscribed!
Yes JennJ teach the people out here! Thank you for bringing the knowledge.❤️
It takes awhile to get the technique right. Thank you for a great explanation of the process. Patience and give it time might even take more than one month.
I disagree that people don’t grow high porosity hair.
My hair is so fragile that I’ve been forced to wear it natural for most of my life, and the entire time my hair would dry in as little as 15 minutes when I just left it alone.
If I did anything bad to it like blow drying or chemical treatment, it just went away (broke off) no matter how much protection I did, except the jeri curl as long as I kept it juiced up (hated it, too drippy).
And I don’t believe I’m the only one because I seen other people describing the same thing about their hair. Some people do have natural high porosity hair growing put of their scalp. I’ve heard stylists say that it doesn’t, but I think they are wrong.
I have naturally high porosity. When I went natural I didn’t use any heat on my hair, maybe a blowout twice a year for protective style, and my stylist told me I have high porosity. 5 years of babying my hair and it’s high porosity but still healthy and growing well!
@@consciouscee7640 awesome
Do you have more or less single strand knots from this?
Once you get your hair hydrated then you can try different styles and color. That’s why the wash and goes are the best. I have short hair and my wash day is no more than 90min including drying.
So far so good using Up North Nature's 8 oil defining Gelly. This will be week 3. So much easier especially when you workout. I am enjoying the shrinkage. I have lots of snap back.
Good night Jenn
How are you? Hoping all is well
I have seen videos in between. I Haven't tried this because I have fine hair, single strand knots, my hair is high porisity. Question for the wash what other products do you recommend. The ones which you use for your wash are not sold in my region.
Great no-nonsense and informative upload. Thank you.
I just really love the look of your hair in this video
This was a very informative video. I love how you are open to trying new things, even when it goes against everything you thought you knew.
I definitely thing the detox is a great why you start and get to know how your hair acts without too much other stuff. I think after the detox you’d be well informed on what products you actually need and what you can add as a plus.
Thanks for this. I can’t wait to start mine. I just need to get the right products
Thank you so much for taking the time to lay out these misconceptions, and the list of products!
love your series Jen!! Do you know if I can use the Camille Rose Curl maker as my "gel" if I want to try this method for about a month? I have 4chair as well, low porosity
I just got to the part where you mentioned the Botanical gels in the description... Curl maker was first on the list🤣🤣 thank you!!!...ok let me keep watching😊
My hair is thirsty I use a lot of product and my hair even pulls moisture from the air. My hair loves moisturizers.
Thanks for a more better thorough understanding of this method 👏🏾👌🏾.
You should put the links to the stylists’ pages in the description box. The whole point of this is to stop taking advice from influencers and listen to professionals
You are correct I would also like to see their credentials and hair length
Thank you for the recommendations of styling creams and botanical gels! I’ve added Camille Rose’s Curl Maker and Almond Jai Twisting Butter to my cart. Looking forward to trying them 😁
It’s not a “trend” though 😭.
It’s too bad that so many people are complicating something that’s so simple.
Something simple and which has ALWAYS been around. I have followed black youtubers for more than 10 years. Some use oils and butter because they like it and their hair is gorgeous some don't and their hair is gorgeous but they did not need to label it the oil and butter method or the no oil and butter method or make special videos about it. Because there is NOTHING special about it. Just listen to your hair and use what you like. You don't like oils and butter then just don't use it.
Well the people who it works for seem to want to force it down the throats of those who it doesn’t work for. That’s what I got when I spoke about it
@@GracefulKnots Exactly it's like some vegans ( you can eat vegan and eat healthy or unhealthy. Same for those who eat meat). Eating meat or fish does not mean you don't eat enough vegetables or meat at every single meal or that uou eat processed food. I think Japan is the best example for that as their food and health is known and documented. If we stick to hair it's like the water only method that nobody follow anymore, or the co-wash only, or clean your hair with clay only. Who only co-wash nowdays? "Use coconut oil it grows hair" then coconut oil became the devil even for those who used to swear their hair loved it.... it's exhausting and because of that I start to get tired wih hair videos. It's like everybody needs to follow trend to stay relevant because of the UA-cam algorithm. Because UA-cam like new things. But how many "new" method do we "need" ???
@@HereDiianas you are right. We don't need all these trends. I honestly feel if people take care of their hair the way hey should they would be the ones who know what is best for them
@@HereDiianas "Listen to your hair" 👍🏾💗
Thank you so much for explaining that so well, I will start this method because the oils don't really works for my hair and I always wandered why. Can you explain what are the ingredients of bothanicals and plastic gels? Because I'm not from US and I'm trying to find gels that can be bothanicals around here.
Jenn... What an excellent video 😁📸 I think this is the best one you've made to date! You have inspired me to try this method! Thank you for being YOU! 💜😍
How does winter affect this routine ? And I mean canadian winter 🥶❄️ 😆. Do you still use the 3 step no oil no butter method ?
I am doing to try it lol
Please tell me if I am doing it wrong
1-pree poop with aloes and rice water
2-wash with sulphate free shampoo (I use the mane choice shampoo)
3- deep conditioner (the mane choice a ancient Egyptian deep conditioner)
I prefer my hair stretched so while in the shower i am going to braid my hair in 3 and allow my hair to air dry
I dont do wash n goes I only keep my hair in a bun .
When I am putting it in a bun I only use water and natural hair gel .
And I won’t wash my hair for 30 days
Thanks for debunking the myths. You helped me a lot.😍
I have too many products to just give them up, but I might try it.
Time will tell!
I just looked at my stash, I already have one of these botanical gels!!
Definitely food for thought. Thank you Jenn for teaching me something new!