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What it's like to be Gay and Mormon
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2017
- Peter sits down with the 3 Mormons to talk about the LGBT community in Salt Lake City, Utah. He talks about his experience being a gay mormon and some of the challenges he faced growing up.
In response to building a greater support system for LGBTQ Mormons, Peter also ran a successful initiative in Salt Lake City called, "Hug a Gay Mormon." It was very successful in bringing more awareness to LGBTQ within the LDS community. We absolutely loved having Peter on show and hope you all enjoy!
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I really needed this. I converted a few months ago and the first thing that someone said to me when I said I was being baptized was "but you're LGBT????" It really hurt..
@@strongestintheworld I'm better at dealing with it now. I can handle someone not understanding me and my faith. But thank you for the warning.
Im so glad you converted! I pray you find a way!
Yes this can happen sometimes but you just ignore it and press on in the faith...
@@mikkifrompreston4396 Part of what you said is true. We are commanded to marry and bring forth children if the opportunity and desire is there to do so. For those who never were given that opportunity, they will be given that opportunity in the next life. All will be made right through the atonement of Jesus Christ.
@@mikkifrompreston4396 According to LDS belief, people who keep their covenants with God and exercise their agency properly will have the opportunity to be married in the next life if they can't in this life. This includes LGBT+ folk, and probably many of special cases as well.
How is the LDS church in support of the gay and lesbian community when they say acting on the feelings you're born with is a sin?
Piper Johnson We are all born with weaknesses. For me, I have anxiety and depression. If I accepted that that is who I am and fell into the hole of deep depression, that is like a sin. Not taking action to be a better version of myself and letting depression define me. That’s how being gay can be too. Just because they have these tendencies doesn’t mean they should falter into their weaknesses. They should take that to help strengthen their faith in God! Doesn’t mean they are oppressing themselves. They are trying to give it to God and help them use their weakness to become their best version of themselves.
@@sarahstrebe3864 being gay is not a weakness. This an extremely bigoted comment.
I am a transgender male. I wanted to convert after I read the witness testimonies because I felt as if that was my calling. I am honestly praying that the church becomes more accepting. Peter, I think it's very bold of you to come out and still maintain your relationship with the church. I heard about the Hug A Gay Mormon thing and it gave me hope. Thank you, Peter.
I hope you continue to choose to come closer to God ❤️
@@presidentcademitchell2062 I never got the notification, but I'm definitely still interested in the church. Thank you.
I think it's kinda sad what he said about the churches official stance. The church acknowledges that homosexuality isn't a choice but they still have to die alone without love. I am Mormon but I don't agree with that. I'm straight but I have gay friends. They are people who deserve love just like anyone else
Angela Wilson the difference is that chastity for straight people ends when they find marriage or choose to. Gay people don’t have that choice.
@@angelawilson6751 invalid comparison. heterosexual and most bisexual or pansexual mormons get to eventually get married, have a romantic and sexual relationship. homosexual mormons don't ever get that chance without disfellowshipping or excommunication.
@@eyebagsandhandbags6493 I do agree that it is one of the more challenging trials in this life to have. And for that we can give compassion and understanding, but w still need to be clear that it is sinful to act on those feelings.
thats right angela they dont we gays have to miss out in the church its not like a physical/ health/ disabled struggle or a mental or retarded struggle its a deep emotional/feeling realm even spiritual struggle that needs constant attention inner continual prayer so hats off to those gays who endure they are true saints however theyll have to settle for ministering angels while horny hetero couples or in the eternity 1 horny man to 7 horny or more women get to feel the joy of sex. thats why the church is not balanced and god is way beyond this religious business bless everyone
jonathon waetford
At what point is it ok for a husband or wife put to up with each other until they are allowed to come out of the closet saying it isn’t my nature to have you as my wife or as my husband? I am not compatible with you. I have found that a snoring man is not what I’m attracted to naturally and I deserve to have a good night sleep with a man who doesn’t snore.
Or, after 20 years of marriage with you I have finally realized that I’m not naturally attracted to your spending habits. I never have been but now I realize that its a natural compatibility issue, and i am entitled to have a wife that has a spendthrift philosophy.
My daughter is gay. I love and I am proud of my amazing daughter. People are gay. It's not a choice. God doesn't make mistakes. I don't know His plan but I am told to love everyone, so that's what I do.
@Maria S. Thank ya kindly!
Pure nonsens, being gay is a choice, you choose to start your sexual life, with whom you start it, you choose your partner, why liberals think that people like me (I am bisexual) are not adult responsible for their actions?? You do not choose attractions and feelings, and yes homosexuality or bisexuality is not identity but attraction, being gay is identity and choosing a way of life; persons if they are adult are responsibile for that.
@@azarzprzemysawgrajczynski3545 That has not been what I've been told, learn and observed over the years. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I haven't seen it that way. Thanks for your perspective.
Exactly God doesn’t make mistakes ADAN AND EVE
@@azarzprzemysawgrajczynski3545 but what do you mean? You're saying that we can't choose attractions, and being gay is feeling certain attractions for the same sex. Then, if someone has ssa but has no partners is not gay anymore or what?
I would love for this show to do a part 2 of this topic
"Do not let the culture of the people stop you from your connection with God!" -Kwaku
Thank you for that Kwaku that is so powerful and important!! And it applies to everyone who might struggle feeling accepted in the Church or by the members, not just LGTBQ members.
L=gay G=gay b=gay t=gay q= also gay . Think about it are there any bisexual people over the age of 35? No they are gay.
This is awesome. Helps me understand
Thank you guys so much!! This episode was so beautiful. I know you were inspired to shoot this video. I felt the Spirit and you were so kind and understanding and respectful. Thank you all so much, I so enjoyed this and will definitely be referring to it often.
So much love!! Xoxo 💖💖
You really felt the holly spirite watching this video im really curiuse
I really like Peter's comment regarding that the struggle is in the conflict, and not specifically one side or the other. Thanks for the awesome interview!
Evan C - Funny you mention "struggle", because there's this board game called 'Twilight Struggle'
Thank you for making this. As a bisexual Mormon, this made me so much more confident in myself.
Thank you for standing up front of who you are! I am just like you, a bisexual Mormon, but I have not revealed it to the world until now.... I know what a tough journey it will be, but in the end... God Loves Us All!!
Kenny Boy is they don’t hate them they just don’t agree with their particular lifestyle.
Kenny Boy, the LDS church has an official position.
You can easily find that position with your internet thingy... and you will find that the leadership does not teach hate of homosexuals.
The LDS position is far more inclusive than 99% of evangelical churches.
Alexia Richardson, it has been explained.
You don't accept the explanation, and that is fine as no one is insisting that you accept it.
I'm sorry you are so very angry.
I am sorry that you put such an effort into your virtue signaling rather than attempting to have a conversation and finding clarity instead of insisting upon agreement.
The LDS church is not insisting that everyone adopt its beliefs, its moral code.
Rather it is you who are doing that - you are a one person cult.
Alexia Richardson of course, it isn't.
But then we have already established that you make statements which have no resemblance to reality.
Opening a conversation about anything is great and the first step towards mutual understanding. I wish to hear further though Peter, of how you deal with and feel about the Church's policy (exposed almost a year ago) of not permitting the children of gay parents to progress in the Church as long as they live with their parents (with marriage equality having recently become legal in the USA). How do you think this makes those kids feel amidst their peers? And how in the world can this be congruent with the Church's family centered mantras, as it seems to potentially be splitting families apart, not strengthening them, making believing children choose between their beloved parents or the Church? I wish you had addressed this glaring issue. Maybe you will. But kudos for your absolute courage and care and honesty, and for helping those gay or otherwise in the Church feel like they can at least talk about these issues. You may literally save some lives, from the inside. Or even make their transition to the outside be one of survival instead of shattering trauma.
I just want to clarify what is actually being said here. I'm hearing you say that the LDS Church says it's okay to be attracted to the same sex, but not to act on it and that this man in the video intends to not act on it or get married ever. Is that wrong or is that what you said? I'm asking because I want to learn not because I have an agenda or particular opinion.
He is not acting on his same sex attraction. He is accepting himself as being a celibate gay person. It's his choice whether or not he marries a female in the future. Gay Mormons choose for themselves whether or not to marry a person of the opposite sex. I know a gay female who prayed that God would send her a man she felt attracted to. She did wind up meeting and marrying a man she is attracted to in the temple. They had children and they're still together. It can happen.
okay thank you.
Yah like that. It's not bad to be lgbt at all it's just not good to act on those same sex attractions.
Lilith Black there is literally nothing wrong with them getting married to someone of the same gender.
You religious people telling your gay kids that have to be celibate that they can never find the love of their life and get married is disgusting.
And your conversion therapy is child abuse through and through.
Why doesn’t the Mormon church release its statistics on how many gay Mormons commit suicide?
The only people that deserve to go to hell are people who would do this to their children.
Alexia Richardson Because the Lord said it was. I can't quote the exact place in the bible where it was said but I do know that the bible said that a man should not be with another man like he is with a woman.
I love this!! I'm a gay mormon and I'm slowly creeping out of my closet.
Mark 10:7 “For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;” Leviticus 18:22
“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
Romans 1:26
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet
This is scripture and there are much more you say it is normal it is not it is a sinful way of life and it can be repented of.
@Bon Jovi What so it is ok if the church were to become like the Community of Christ and change their doctrine, remove temple rites, remove priesthood and remove Word of Wisdom would that be a good thing. It is a good thing that we don't have an Anti Christ running the Church because this is exactly how you bring it into apostasy Joseph Smith said a great apostasy could happen again and I believe him. Destroying God's plan for salvation and trying to control the Prophet. The twelve disciples adding policies for the sake of the people was a mistake I still call them disciples because they don't disobey God's Law. YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE PROPHET YOU KNIT WHIT. FOLLOW THE PROPHET BUT LISTEN TO GOD THAT IS WHAT I DO YOU CALL YOURSELVES MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH BUT YOU DENY GOD'S LAW THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH NOT THE PROPHETS, AND ESPECIALLY NOT YOURS.
I am proud of my gay daughter. You're awesome and God loves you!
@@vinicioreyes4792 if Joseph Smith was a prophet the church has been in apostasy since he died. No authority made Brigham Young prophet, he just decided he was. Also most of what Brigham said is now disavowed by the church, and current prophets aren't as inspired as Joseph claimed to be. Why hasn't a new prophet translated the rest of the Book of Mormon? When we had the kinderhook plates and thought they were real, why didn't we translate those?
@@joshywash911 Because the church is false I wrote this comment a long time ago.
I love all of your episodes! I am not Mormon. I almost converted but its not where I fit in. I love you guys! Keep informing the world about what y'all are all about!
How I needed to see this video thank you for putting this on UA-cam
What an AWESOME video thank you : )
I am 16 and i have grown up Bisexual in a Baptist denomination. My mum does not support me in the LGBT+ community or leaving the Baptist denomination. I have really been looking into LDS and I am very very interested. I had some missionaries come by yesterday and I talked to them and got links and references and I cannot read enough. Any advice as to how to become LDS and be baptized, I would gladly accept! I really would like to become LDS but am scared of my mum. Any advice?
Hey Macy, I joined the Church when I was 16. I'm now 26. I'm also bisexual. While my parents were a bit more supportive, I would say that you can continue to pray that they will be open and receptive to where you feel God take you. Also, continue to learn about the LDS faith, and if you can, continue meeting with the missionaries. Your mom may not always agree but as you show her how it is meaningful to you, as you live a good life based on what you learn, her heart may change over time. It's good to be respectful to her of course, and as you are still under her roof and living with her you should be willing to wait if necessary to be baptized. When you are of legal age you can make that decision then for yourself if she does want you to wait.
So just keep praying to know if it is true, and pray for your mom's heart to be softened and understanding. God will provide a way :)
If the missionaries left their contact information, I would definitely reach out to them again!
Macy check out the Tatooed Mormon videos on UA-cam! She worried about her parent's reaction before she joined the church as well. :)
To the two guys on the end, let’s get to the point: Do u support marriage equality for active gay Mormons or not?
Im so use to hearing conservative religions now talk in codes. They’ll shower all this flowery language about love and acceptance and how their sorry for their past treatment of gays, but then after all of that still support denying them equal rights. So I want to know: do u support equality for active gay Mormons or not?
Church is for the most part suppose to be a seperate institution from politics or that's at least what you "tolerant progressives" say. So which is it? Do you want government and political institutions interfering in churches and religious institutions thus accepting church to interfere with government and political institutions? OR would you rather government treat religious organizations and families the same as any belief based institutions, and allow individual believers have the same influence power in government as 3% LGBTQP+, atheists, secularists and progressives? Or are you saying you want to pick and choose? Are churches suppose to bend to you and progressives views and wills or are they suppose to retain their unalienable rights to free exercise of religion aka freedom OF religion. There's no freedom FROM religion. It's like saying I want freedom FROM music. If you want freedom FROM it then like you "progressives" say about gay: if you don't want religion don't join one, if you don't want to hear about the Bible, don't read it, talk to anyone who does, or go out in public much. Otherwise let individuals (that's important you know), families and churches believe the way they wish and you stick to your secular or atheist "progressive" beliefs and shut up that is unless you feel like preaching secularism or atheism to someone. But you know what you "progressives" say about preaching. LGBTQP+ can be loved and accepted, but like atheist TJ Kirk says they don't need "smoke blown up their ass!" They need to be faced with people who disagree with them and maybe even hate them, just like every other f****n person on the planet. So grow up!
J. Yes or no?
TruAgape1234
Not two people with the same gender.
Yes for all people to be married to people opposite their gender. That’s marriage equality: everybody can marry under the same conditions and everybody can’t marry under the same conditions.
And just so you understand, marriage for time only is acceptable (tolerated) by the Lord but the sealing of man and wife for Eternity is the ultimate destination for Latter-day Saints, where their resurrected bodies will have no imperfections, and the role of gender will play an important part.
I support it if they arent pushing it on my religion.
Are we going to just ignore the fact that the LDS church spent over 80 million dollars fighting against marriage equality?
J you do realize that churches are not taxed as long as they follow certain rules and one of them is staying out of politics right? Did gay activist make marriage equality legal in the nation using the judicial system, yes. They showed how banning it oppressed rights to a minority group. The US supreme court realized and interpreted marriage as a national issue which they did by using their judicial review to say that DOMO and Prop 8 were unconstitutional. You think gays are hateful, I hope you realize that the LGBT community are victims of crimes at a higher rate. Have a great day J and I’ll keep enjoying my marriage with my husband. 👨❤️👨
PS be fabulous and smile often. 💁🏽♂️🌈
The Mormon church has the right to not accept or allow gay marriage within it's church, but by supporting and helping to fund Prop 8 they were breaking up marriages between gays and lesbians that do not follow the Mormon faith. I personally know gays that lost their marriage to their husbands who arent Mormon when Prop 8 passed, although got it back when gay marriage was legalized on a Federal level.
That is equivilant of someone in California forcing a Mormon to drink or have pre-martial sex. You are pushing an agenda on people that dramatically affects their life that aren't part of your organization.
Also, who are the 3%, do you mean gays and lesbians? Because there are more than 3% of the population that is gay and lesbian and more than that that who are straight and support gay marriage.
Roldan Diaz, that was a very condescending comment. First off you ignored my points, glossed over them or didn't address the simple truths within them. 2) You now changed the subject. First stating church getting involved in a vote, trying to state it was playing politics when it was simply informing the public of a vote thus standing for their conscience and duty to principles. Then to pushing the political point they are exempt from taxes, implying individuals in a church community must not stand unless they're only touting within the guides of progressive politics, or with complaining about religious opression if any, or not at all on personal principles without permission. Tax exemption has been law for decades, many churches and faith communities have said go ahead take it away because we don't want to be under the thumb of government including mine, and there is no law & would make no sense to have a law that states church communities can't fundraise to inform the public of a vote, elections as all churches do with no bias, or some for standing on principles including such as standing for Israel. Only the left finds these things political mettling. But they're not. And what about unions? Unions go way beyound bias, they admit their bias and political activism. They not inform but encourage their members to vote a certain way, get involved in elections, donate to politicians, and protest certain people and for events that are clearly bias. Consistency much?
3) AGAIN (the crux point you & the left always ignore) if you're for *Democracy* then accept the will of the voters, don't go begging to judicial activists in the nanny state government, lean on arbitrary interpretation, defacto law (THAT'S NOT ONLY NOT DEMOCRACY IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL), AND for gosh sakes if you are not for the strict definition of *Democracy* JUST SAY SO!
4) YES, I believe ALL human beings can be hateful despite their politics, faith or sexuality! Sorry, if I actually TREAT AND SEE ALL EQUALLY!
5) If *DOMA* and Prop 8 were unconstitutional, which under a legal loophole DOMA is, then these cases could've easily been remedied in state courts thus by the people or their elected judges, HENCE DEMOCRACY AT WORK, not some excutive appointed unelected court, based on admited judicial activism and defacto law. These same state court DEMOCRATICALLY elected judges seek justice for these LGBTQIA+ victims of crime and hate. They can be held responsible for that justice, but not for the constitutionality of laws that through them may be applied in their states?¿
6) I'm glad you have a spouse, and accept LGBT marriage, except for a caveat, on a state *DEMOCRATIC* level!!! I'd assume "DEMOCRATS" and all Americsns would. Nonetheless I'd wish you'd not assume things about people because they have a different point of view than you, but with your "I'll keep enjoying my marriage with my husband." *seems* you did.
If you have respectfully read my comments as I did yours, I thank you, and I apologize my comments are long, but there are things that needed to be said and I'm not perfect at wittling it down.
P.S. Keep smiling, you're one of a kind! Peace & 1Love.
David, maybe you can read my previous comment to Roland. But to address your concerns:
1) The church didn't fund prop 8 it simply took an active role to fund knocking on doors and informing the public of the vote, of which the LGBT community did as well, AND there is no law stating they may not inform the public even on the issue, let alone the vote, in equal manner as other communities.
2) Prop 8 was a DEMOCRATIC public and state proposition that asked public opinion and offered a DEMOCRATIC vote on the proposition. The church in no way had ANY authority or dictation to magically "breakup marriages". If it's legal for churches to take in "undocumented" unlawful, or law unabiding immigrants, Muslim communities can help to pass a referendum that allowed Muslim court in Texas and similar activism by faith based communities; I'm sure it's beyond perfectly legal and in their rights as a community to inform the public on the issue as well as the vote and even help people vote. Again a *democratic* function especially being that ALL faith based communities advertise ________s for (insert party, politician or policy) and fundraise for these things.
3) Your equivalency is wildly false and ridiculous.
ANY faith based community informing the public on a vote even an issue and even advertising the *democratic* vote is not in any way equivilant to another community, even *democratically* forcing another community of individuals to preform an action they deem against their conscience ESPECIALLY the force of sexual actions. BY NO STRECH OF ANY WILD IMAGINATION I'VE HEARD OF OR COULD EVER PHATHOM WOULD MAKE SUCH A EQUIVALENCE OR CASE!
4) "You are pushing an agenda on people that dramatically affects their life that aren't part of your organization." WAIT, WAIT, WHAT? Let's rephrase that a bit. 'You are pushing an agenda on people that affects their life that aren't part of your state, your community.' You realize that's what you did by allowing the unelected supreme court judicial activist judges infringe on states rights, *democracy* & state justice right? Aren't you for *democracy*, local government and for minority rights?
5) How is informing the public on a vote for a public proposition pushing an agenda?
6) The estimated percentage of gays or lesbians is 3% the full LGBTQIA+ community only still makes up 5% of the population. Any number of the population that supports, have or will support LGBTQIA+ marriage has and will continue to fluctuate, but the percentage / statistic had nothing to do with ridiculous idea of imposing FEDERAL law, even defacto law that caters to 3% of the population subsequently affecting 97% of the rest of the country in multiple ways, despite whether or not the majorty supports or will support the idea behind it. AND I garentee if you asked the majority in support most would express they wish it had been done more *democratically* and locally. This as to not set a precedent that the supreme court may pass defacto law with respect applies to 3% constituents yet affects 90+% of the population, 50 states, thousands of conties, thousands of cities, thousands of state and local courts, legislative houses, hundreds of thousands of houses of faith & worship or communities, and 27+Million citizens. In such a *democracy* or what we really are a constitutional republic that's insane!
Lastly recently Columbia past 3 way gay marriage in their courts, and I would assume subsequently straight or any 3 way marriage. This means America is behind. Would this be acceptable as well to pass through our supreme court? Or any other court or legislators?
Debbie Bunny Man it's getting annoying correcting your statements. Yes, the church did spend money on this proposition. I don't think it was 80 million but the number was in the millions. This was direct money from SLC.
Thank you so much for addressing this topic!!!
I am likewise a gay Mormon and I am not overly fond of Peter's approach, but if it helps some people stay active, more power to him. I've come to realize a long time ago I simply don't get along with most gay people.
I can totally understand what you are saying. Me in my case, I can get along fine with the few outwardly gay non Mormons I know, but I myself wouldn’t ever adopt myself into the gay community.
Speaking more generally to the all reading and not necessarily just replying to you zehn waters; I guess I also differ from pretty much everyone who is gay in the church, in that I never and still do not consider myself gay/bi and frankly won’t. Doesn’t mean I have malice towards anyone who does consider themselves gay. I guess I just don’t understand why people think they have to take on the title as gay if they don’t practice it by being in a gay relationship or sexually active.
I am 37 and so maybe it’s that when I was raised in the church being younger, things always were addressed in church talks or meetings as “same-sex-attractions” and not as gay in less talking about non members in the official gay community. I mean that is essentially all it is if you don’t practice being gay, it’s just same sex attractions. Doesn’t mean you are gay.
But I agree with zehn waters that if that helps you to somehow to be able to carry on and cope in life for it to be manageable I can understand that, if that’s people’s reason for taking on the title of being gay.
I guess I am just kind of confused though because to me, if someone is an active member of the church, and they believe in the teachings of the church, why would they consider themselves gay if they don’t practice being gay by being in a relationship or physically intimate with someone of the same sex? The lgbt+ community is known for supporting ideologies and things that in conflict with church beliefs. So this is why I don’t understand how and why someone could and would consider themselves gay. So just like in the video, please help me understand so I can understand better.
I really love this video it has answered some of my prayers about some of my friends at school, they were told at church in primary that they would go to hell, and so left, I wanted a video I could share so that they know that what their primary teacher told them was wrong and undoctrinal. Thanks for a concise way I could tell them.
Thank you for this very encouraging 🙏❤
Thanks for sharing this!
I love you Peter. Thank you for being a public voice and especially on this video. God bless you brother.
Still trying to cram sexual diversity into a Mormon box. Acceptance is love. Control is not.
Who decides what’s accepted or acceptable?
I'm bisexual. So far, it's never been a problem. Of course, they're not even gonna mention it.
They have a quota against it. Bisexuality, homosexuality, they're not okay with it. If you read the Bible, too, you'll realize that it's not acceptable.
Thanks guys. I've been waiting for a video on this topic. I'm gay and a investigator in nz. I love your channel.
Bisexual here. Joined when I was 16 when I was feeling that I might be exclusively gay. Glad to have you with us :) I'm a convert to the Church.
Hi . Just letting you know I've now been baptized. And am really loving knowing my Saviour.
You are welcome. I know that gods loves you and the church need people with your talents and gifts.
Lexiwolf well I'm still goin strong. But thanks sooo much for your input. Very intellectual I must say. Have a great life. Lol
Lexiwolf fish!. What an exciting life you lead .....abusing people over the net! Thats very original!!. Bye sweetie. All the best to you.
Im so glad i found this channel
Thanks for this video! I've been hoping for one about the LGBTQ community for a while. I'm just wondering though, I understand that you can't marry but does that also mean that you can't date either because that would be acting on your 'attractions'?
Rebecca Walsh. Of course dating is acting on attractions. The same could be said of heterosexuals who are married. The natural male condition is to want more and want something new.
Thank you so much for this video, this is just amazing!
very good video, thank you very much
I'm not sure I heard much conversation about the LGBT+ community. I heard one gay man talk about his experience. It also included a story about another gay woman. They are great stories and need to be heard, but I didn't hear any mention of bisexual or transgender people anywhere in the video. If you're going to say you are talking about the LGBT+ community, then I would suggest talking to more than just one white, cis, gay male. Also I want to thank you for engaging in the topic at all. It is much needed and important to mainstream into LDS culture and thought.
This is how the episode starts: "Something that we've wanted to talk about for a long time I hear is Allyship with the LGBTQ community...so we wanted this episode to be about that" Also you title the episode: "Peter sits down with the 3 Mormons to talk about the LGBT community in Salt Lake City, Utah."
IF you are going to say that you're going to talk about the LGBT community, then talk about the LGBT *community*. It's as if I'm going to say I would like to talk about all religions in Utah and then leave out the Mormons. That's what you've done here. You've contributed to trans-erasure and bi-erasure.
I'm glad to hear you will have other guests on in the future to represent other aspects of the LGBT+ community.
That paragraph...the one you just wrote above...that is a perfect thing to have written INSIDE the introduction to the video. By setting up the conditions on which the interview/video is set, then there is no misrepresentation either implied or explicitly written.
Thanks Kimberly!
I love seeing 3 progressive mormons get faced with PC, SJW, and progressive culture. Right on!
@@JChannel_ you're not "progressive" at all if you think talking to ONE cisgender gay person is "addressing the LGBT community".
Thank you so much for this video, this answers soooooo many important questions!
So are all three of them speaking from their own gay experiences or just the middle guy?
Brian just the middle guy
Brian - They're all gay
They all seem like they have sugar in their tanks.
Male mormons tend to have experience patterning themselves to a homosexual partnered lifestyle through their missions
@@daveyork0 not me
I freaking love you guys! I'm a recent convert and I'm 18 so it's nice to have other people with similar views
Alyssa Flanigan please tell me your concert story, I am very curious about the LDS church, I’m 16 and am looking for God.
Zac Yikes
Your story is so simular to mine. I can't believe it. I'm also 16 and interested in the LDS church. Moreover I looked into the doctrines of JW.
Can I ask you about your background? What do you believe so far?
Zac! You can always feel free to message me on instagram @kwakuel to have a full conversation :) This is Kwaku from the show btw
Annika Westhof Right now all I believe in is Jesus and that I know he must have a true church here on earth, I just don’t know which one. That’s cool that we’re in such a similar situation ✨
Kwaku El Thanks Kwaku! You are so kind!
"But those people live in basements"
Next video: "What it's like to live in a basement and be a Mormon"
Thank you! I am married 30 years, five kids and teach seminary and I needed this to help me be more inclusive. Thank you!!
I relate to so many of these statements in the video - but I'm "broken" in a different way. I struggle with chronic depression and anxiety - but the feelings and struggles are crazy similar. Like I haven't come out as "depressed" but have been told by some when I'm in deep that I need to repent, that I am disappointing Heavenly Father, and that I'm not trying the right way to get well. So the truths hold true to all kinds of broken saints. I am 48 and still learning. Thanks for your candid interview.
I'm an optimist with depression related to my disabilities depression is common in my area no one views it as sin full but do still struggle with how to deal with those with dissabilitys especially mental ones but we are getting better the key is to be open with communication with your bishop never give up and know your not alone prayers
I learned so much from this video I didn’t really know that attraction isn’t a choice. Thanks so much
I didn't either for a long time but the important thing is that I now know
I loved this episode. Especially hearing Peter talk about culture vs the gospel. There are so many things that nonmembers believe about our church because of culture that have nothing to do with doctrine. And when I come across questions from people I've learned to word it that way. The culture of the church is not the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Just what is this "culture of the church" that "isn't the gospel of Jesus Christ" Is it possible that yoour culture just isn't aline with the church and the gospel? Or are you perfect in wisdom?
I’m glad that this is a conversation that I have been hearing more about! It is so important to love people for who they are & help them on their individual journey towards God!
Thank you for this. 👍
Immediately after listening to this episode which I loved, and I love your guest and what he's doing, I was listening to 3 Nephi 18 and heard Jesus say this and it brought tears to my eyes!
22 And behold, ye shall meet together oft; and ye shall not forbid any man from coming unto you when ye shall meet together, but suffer them that they may come unto you and forbid them not;
23 But ye shall pray for them, and shall not cast them out; and if it so be that they come unto you oft ye shall pray for them unto the Father, in my name.
24 Therefore, hold up your light that it may shine unto the world. Behold I am the light which ye shall hold up-that which ye have seen me do. Behold ye see that I have prayed unto the Father, and ye all have witnessed.
25 And ye see that I have commanded that none of you should go away, but rather have commanded that ye should come unto me, that ye might feel and see; even so shall ye do unto the world; and whosoever breaketh this commandment suffereth himself to be led into temptation.
also i appreciate how respectful AND funny y'all are
This was so helpful and beautifully and humbly, expressed. Thank you guys!
Not gay but this did not answer my question at all. Can gay people have gay relationships under the church? Your websites seem to say no emphatically. How can a gay mormon reconcile that their attraction is just fundamentally a sin they cannot act on in any way? How can you just be happy with that? This is why any religion that forces LGBT people to abstain is opression. "God loves you... you just have to live your entire life without a partner or commiting any form of sexual act in accordance with your sexuality... which clearly is not a mistake because God does not make mistakes... however it is a sin so you just cannot do it" This does not add up.
I love this, it's so important that we know how to approach people of the LGBTQ community that are and are not of our faith. It's been something on my mind a lot lately as the bill for same-sex marriage has recently passed in Australia and this was really helpful.
he calls being celibate for the rest of his life ok and loving? of course you can be gay and be lds..you just can't ever have sex or ever marry....ever, never. oh and that naturally includes masturbation as well. so you're forced to grow up watching friends and family members be happy, get married and start families..and then what? the church and its members will love you but they will never get to actually live your life and and stop and think even for a moment how horrible that thought is, celibate and a virgin forever..eternity even. don't believe me? this is the lds church' official stance on homosexuality. you can be gay, as long as you don't break any of heavenly father's rules...that sex is reserved only for husband and wife that are married, which of course excludes all gay and lesbian members.
Does someone know Peter's Instagram?
I really liked this.
Wow, this is fantastic. Great job guys!
I’m still a little confused... so can you go through the temple? Do you still participate in homosexuality? This video gave me some insight but I’m still confused on how it works.
You can't have sex outside of marriage, gay or straight. You can be gay and celibate at the same. Gay people don't stop being gay just because they choose to be celibate. Celibate gay people can go to the temple.
They can be living the law of chastity to avoid having sex relations with others they are not married to, but the church requires more sacrifice than that in order to enter in the temple. The No M. rule in the Church must be lived as well in order to
enter the temple. its not just about only avoiding having sex relations with others.
Wow...I think this is the most progressive response I have seen from a conservative church in regards to the LGBTQ community. I will say I find it highly enlightening. The more I pray and find out about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints the more I think God may be leading me to this church... I still struggle with a few beliefs but...This view and topic is not one of them. Well said!
Love, Rosie I think we all struggle with some beliefs. I don't think having faith is having a perfect understanding, it's more that we will be led in the right direction by Heavenly Father. At least, that's my take. I still question heaps of things but when you remember core points (about things like Christ and the Book of Mormon) and if you feel that those are true, other things become less significant. That's how it is for me ;)
Something to ponder and pray on. Thanks Raoni :)
We love to have you and you are more than welcome to come in feel the love of the members in the LDS Church and most importantly feel the love of Jesus Christ! Talk to the Missionaries they know! Have a good day!
Don't buy it. The LDS Church excommunicates its gay members and will not allow their children to join.
AxelQC I think you're confused. It doesn't allow the children of parents in a homosexual relationship to join until they're 18 for the same reason it doesn't allow children of Muslim parents to join until 18: we don't want to divide families or endanger family relations and connections. When you are 18 and an adult you can do what you like; anyone below 18 needs a parent's permission to get baptised. And my gay friends will attest that you do NOT get excommunicated for being gay; instead, it's when you are having a sexual relationship outside of marriage, which is the same rule for heterosexual people.
I hope we cross paths and talk with one another about LGBTQ in the Church
Very interesting. American LDS culture is very different to other places (I live in New Zealand) and often I see treatments of LGBTQ spaces as either incredibly dated or conservative, or an approach that totally eschews gospel principles. This is a moderate view which I appreciate. I have friends who are gay & mormon and they've all struggled with it in different ways and struggled with the church in different ways. I think it really is an individual thing and there is no blanket answer or approach... which kind of makes sense, in the greater scheme of things. We're all individual and unique and when we are able to recognise our higher identity as children of Heavenly parents, everything else falls into place (or will) as any earthly identity is less important. At least that's my take.
This is a youtube channel. It is not the opinion of the lds church. Homosexual/trans/etc marriage will never be allowed to marry in the temple.
@@MrEnjoivolcom1 trans marriage isn't a thing, buddy.
They were one of the largest opponents to gay marriage. This is a very recent change.
In my experience in Britain, it's the complete opposite to what you described, it's odd, but i guess Britain is much less conservative than other western countries
Mormon culture is very conservative. They teach that gay people are lesser. The most homophobic man is Oaks. He's next in line for being the prophet. He's said being homosexual is a result of masterbation.
It seems hard to wrap my head around Mormonism and the emphasis on family and procreation even in the after life, how does this apply to gay people?
Also is it true that Noah became the angel Gabriel ?
Don't know about Gabriel but we believe that marriage is sacred and that if someone dies and lived there life worthy that if they were single they will receive a spouse in heaven by God's discernment but as to any full on detail no we only have guesses about heaven until God tells us more.
I know its 2018 and I'm kinda late to the party but I am a gay person, I am out and I don't want to stop being gay (if that makes sense), I know that is not a choice and I've never had a faithful experience in any church but I've been feeling attracted to the LDS church and I am really scared of talking about my sexual orientation and identity, I am an outsider and missionaries are the ones who are letting me know about the church and its values, I'm scared of going too fast but I wanna feel God and faith in my life.
Its so confusing because they say to love everyone but at the same time they say not to love the opposite gender that way or "act on those urges" i dont know what to do
I'll make it easy for you. Look what we went through the last 4 years. with all of our technology and advancements in communication, we still can't get a story straight. So, now we look at religion. It is communicated from a higher power through man's pen for hundreds of years. Years of re-writing, re-translating, re-configuring to how it benefits "man" best to suit his needs in the field of control with fear. Look how twisted we can get a story today, and you're going to base your soul and beliefs by constricting your thoughts to the parameters of what these men wrote and twisted for centuries?? I think not. There is a God. he is in all of us. I am a gay male and I have had a beautiful life so far and I know it is because God loves me. When I ask all walks of religion "how can that be? to be gay and feel blessed by God?" they have no answer because they are only used to dealing with Gays who let religion (man's word) oppress them. Religion is something that I look at as a device of measurement. I think that God is probably flattered that people can devote themselves to the point they follow the line drawn in the ground from those who benefit from it.
Enlightening and positive.... I would one day hope the church embraces gay couples too, but one day at a time I guess x
Lukas R I hope so too
You give them an inch they wanna take a mile...
The church will change
The church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints will never let gay people be married in our temples.
DDFStar : The LDS church will never see blacks as equals....oh wait, they did!
Tory Condie : Does heterosexual equal a sex act?
Neither does homosexual, it does not equal a sex act.
It’s who you’re attracted to. You can be a virgin and be homosexual. Just as a heterosexual can be a virgin and still be a heterosexual.
DNA was identified in the 50’s. Brigham Young did not know about DNA.
Lisa Olsen dang, got em there
There is no Gay gene early half a million genomes reveal five DNA markers associated with sexual behaviour - but none with the power to predict the sexuality of an individual.There’s no evidence that a single ‘gay gene’ exists so this comment is absolutely wrong.
I have a question, can gay mormon men marry or have sex with another man?
So encouraging thank you
This is a very interesting subject, as the LDS Church is decidedly anti-homosexual. As a sympathizer, I wish I had been there to give you a hug just to show support.
Kwakus laugh kills me
Does Peter have a last name?
Unfortunately not everyone who is lgbtq and raised in the Mormon church survives it. The church needs to do better. A lot better. They could start with an apology, which I’m not convinced will ever happen considering we are still waiting on an apology over the racism and priesthood ban on black members. I wouldn’t wish being lgbtq and raised in the Mormon church on anyone. It’s honestly dangerous.
I understand that the Mormon church doesn't allow same-sex relationships, but how do they define what is "same sex"? 1-2% of the population is intersex, meaning that of the dozens of factors that determine your sex in utero, something happens to make it ambiguous. For example, you can be born with male DNA but have female genitalia, and vice versa. (This is different than being transgendered.) What are the church's guidelines on deciding what it takes to be male and what it takes to be female so you know with whom you can and can't have a romantic relationship?
So, the church has no official policy/doctrine regarding intersex individuals. Doctrinally we can say that Gender is an eternal characteristic (essentially, your spirit has a gender). But policy-wise I think decisions are made on a case-by-case basis. Its probably something that you would discuss with local church authorities/leaders and reach a decision together, as it is a very important and sensitive topic.
You're over analysing something which is actually straight forward. If you have a penis, you're a male. If you have a vagina, you're a female.
Rickie Griffith intersexual means you're literally born with both.
Oh I understand now, thanks.
Intersex is not even 1% of the population that's exaggeration, but even if that wrre the case the church doesn't make semantic decisions like that unless needed. And if they did I'm sure they'd allow intersexes to discuss the matter with leadership. But if the church wanted to be consistent they'd say the best policy would be to side with encouraging chromosomial dominate XY to marry chromosomial dominate XX mates. And I'm sure if there turned out to be 1 case even with a difficult situation they should know love isn't sex and sex isn't love. Sex is a form of love, but not the actual form. Thus as the church suggests, that 1 case may have to endure. That's like asking the church if a man who's penis was amputated if he could have sex with a man, the answer would be not if you want to live the gospel.
Peter’s idea of creating a living room setting on a Salt Lake City street is just marvelous! What a great thing! People are welcome to sit and talk about the issue. And what an important, begging issue. This discussing is so needed.
The only thing that I find troubling is one of Peter’s statements that Temple marriage is not available to gays. It’s important to know that gays can get married to a member of the opposite sex and enjoy a sweet, satisfying union based on friendship. Marriage is not based solely on the need to be sexually attracted to their mate. Marriage is based on selfless friendship.
But church members must become aware and be sensitive to the fact that gay members live with discomfort and pain. False shame, awareness that they cannot be LDS leaders in Scouting, forever wondering if males will look over their shoulders at them in restrooms. The bullet list of pain is there for them. We _MUST_ be active in loving them, and in teaching in the Church we must teach empathy and understanding. We need, for example, Sunday School Lessons about it, official curriculum videos, etc. _We know more about this now; we don’t have to be afraid of talking about it, and we don’t need to have fear about loving our cherished gays._
(Bi-annual means every two years. Semi-annual means twice a year. General Conference is held semi-annually, not bi-annually as you said in the video.)
Simone Riviere - What does bi-anal mean?
Katie dang got em there
biennial means every 2 years. Bi-annual is twice a year.
Does the church allow same-sex relationships now? I'm asking this because I have visited Peter's Twitter profile and he's with another man. This video is 3 Years old, probably when Peter was following the celibacy way. I just want to know better about this argument.
My gay LDS brother killed himself. As did a childhood friend who was LDS and gay. That was 20 years ago, when shunning was still a big thing to those who are gay (as per temple recommend que about being sympathetic etc).
You’re sophisticating that fish in that tiny tank.
Molly Braun it has a big tank but it goes there only to film their episodes. then it goes safely back in the big tank x
Hey I would just like to point out 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 tell us being homosexual is wrong.
Kaden Reijgers the message is obviously that we are commanded to love one another and leave judgment to God. Albeit a fine line is being tread in my opinion and it can get ugly real quick. U give an inch and next everyone wonders why not then give the full mile. I haven't the skill to articulate properly. But this much I know that the scriptures read
27 "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient".
-Romans ch 1
Also read,
34" A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another".
- John ch 13
Laws must be protected. The law that says marriage is between a man and a woman.
And the law that says love one another.
My LDS doesn't accept my bisexuality. But I'm okay with it. I'm in a heterosexual relationship now and getting married next year.
Do you mean your family? Also congratulations, I guess by this time you're already married.
was a good episode up until you said you only watched 2 starwars.....
3 Mormons - Funny you mention "fret", because guitars have frets
The problem is that the reality of church doctrine states that if you don't go through the standard LDS ordinances and covenants, such as temple ordinances, then you don't get to go to the highest heaven. Culture of the church may be changing, which I think is fantastic, however, how do you reconcile with the fact that the church pretty much teaches that LGBT folks will not reach the same level of heaven as their straight counterparts? As far as I know, the church has not changed their stance on homosexuality as being something that can keep you from getting a temple recommend. I love that the culture is changing, especially among young LDS folks, but that's not changing the doctrines of the church. So if you're in the church and you are more understanding and accepting of homosexuality, then you would have to at least accept that you're in a church that is unaccepting of that. Until the doctrines change, the temple recommend interviews change, the church changes... then the official stance of the church is that LGBT folks are not celestial kingdom worthy. I find that sad. I absolutely love this young man's story and love how he has accepted himself, and I fully believe that God accepts him too, but I know his church's stance officially states that he's lesser than other members by not allowing him entrance into the temple unless he doesn't act upon it I suppose... which is saddening and not true acceptance.
The doctrine of the Church is that obedience to God is what is required to get into the Celestial kingdom. If a person is not able to partake of the ordinances of the Gospel in this life, then they have the opportunity to accept it done on their behalf in the afterlife. And as a fail safe, there is the belief that during the Millennium, all this manmade interference will be ironed out.
He's doing great missionary work. Loved this so much!
And vs. or. Love it.
It does say homosexuals, along with every other person guilty of any type of sin, will be cast out into hell.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
That's why we rely solely on God's Word.
LGBT members: you are entitled to have a relationship with someone you're attracted to. You can experience spiritual connection and find great fulfillment and happiness WHILE married to someone of the same sex. You can have BOTH! You don't need to lock that part of yourself away.
Being a bisexual girl in this community is somewhat disconcerning. Not because I'm Mormon, not once has anyon who was Mormon treated be badly or differently because of my sexuality, but because there's this sort of pressure to prove myself or people asking 'well you like girls but you're never gonna be with one so you must not!'
Are you still a mormon?
Saying God said "I love you the way you are. You don't have to change who you are" about being gay means that God either changed his mind after saying homosexuality is against His design as He laid out in His Word--The Holy Bible. If one sin is ok, then does that mean all sin is ok in Mormonism? Does the Mormon God approve of all sin or just homosexual sin?
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Thank you all so much, what a true blessing you guys on a very controversial subject.
As you said we truly are in our Father's image, WE are ALL valued in our Father's kingdom.
Stop hating and start loving.
AMEN. I had a Sunday school teacher get verbally awkward and straight up avoid the topic. like I just want people to be OPEN about it. And to hear it from leaders at the pulpit -- well!!
A Sunday teacher's calling isn't to give his opinions, it's to teach the gospel. Do you not even know what simple words mean? They're, say it with me, "TEACHERS" nothing more, nothing less. We don't accept high school teachers teaching or giving opinions on fascism or communism so neither shall we ask *Gospel* principles and *Gospel* doctrine *teachers* to spout opinions and faulse doctrine in class, *especially while others are trying to learn.* If I was your Sunday school teacher I would've told you to look it up for yourself, pray about it and get back to me. And tell you if you had questions to see me after class not during precious *Gospel* time where we learn more important things than if a person can lust with a person with the same sex. Especially when it's completely off topic. That and tell you to *I don't know ask your parents!* *HELLO!* Then if you still had questions ask the bishop. But I certainly wouldn't take up precious class time.
Is kwaiku gay? I’m new here
No but he is a liberal Democrat
@@tytoalba605 I don't know his actual political affiliations but he's the guy who uses the "white liberal" insult so I don't really know what you're on about
I can see why you would think that but honestly I think it's more likely that he's not, I know dudes who have somewhat feminine mannerisms but are still very much straight
@@tytoalba605 He's a Democrat? Wonderful! :D
Thank you for this. Just thank you. Love each other. Our job is just to love.
This all sounds good, but, is it true that gay people are not allowed to have relations with their partners? I'm not a Mormon so I'm seriously asking.
I’m LGBT and so is my wife. No we are not allowed have same sex relationships or marriage. If you have any questions feel free to ask me.
@@therealdutchplanderlinde2707 How are you ok with not being able to express your feelings with your same-sex partners the same way straight people do?
Suzanne MenuetTGB so for me I don’t have a same sex partner. I’m a guy and my wife is a girl. Both her and I were part of the church, but we never dated anyone before we met each other. We met in a singles ward, and became really good friends. We were such good friends that I actually got a job where she worked so we could spend more time together. One day she came out to me, and told me I was the only person she ever told, and I came out to her, and she was the first person I ever told. We bonded over that experience, and at the time we didn’t know that the church had other members like us, so the feeling of being alone then finding some who understands your struggle really brought us together, and we eventually got married.
As for as what it’s like not being able to have the same type of relationship as straight people, it can be really hard. I often feel like I was made a certain way, and it’s hard not being who I feel I am, but at the same time my wife is my best friend, and I would never do anything to betray or hurt her, and I couldn’t imagine living my life without her.
Our relationship is a weird one for sure. I’ve never met anyone in our church who is married where both parties have same sex attraction like us, but I do think in some ways we have something that most opposite sex couples don’t have. We can relate in many way together, such as a combined interest in, quilting, cooking, makeup, shopping, interior design, and many other things that most opposite couples will never share together.
@@therealdutchplanderlinde2707 I can respect that. I just know it couldn't be me. I have been abstinent for almost 13yrs, but it is a decision based on considerations of safety and protecting my heart. I do belong to a church that accepts LGBTQIA+ members. We have different views on certain scriptures. But, I always say to each their own. If what you do works for you, then I'm happy for you. God bless the both of you.
Suzanne MenuetTGB Thank you. I’m glad you have a good welcoming church. God bless you too.
I'm not a Mormon but greatly interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints
OMG KWAKU!!! The only way you’ll understand why people get so excited about Harry Potter and Star Wars is if you watch/read the series yourself!!!!
So individuals can be LGBT and be a member of the church . And be worthy of participating in the Temple ? But if you act on it... you’re not worthy ?
Wouldn’t that NOT be accepted “as you are “? Would they not be sealed eternal marriage LGBT?
"Peter we want to get to know you a little better...so we know more we can tell your Bishop so he has lots of ammo during the invasive counseling session that is surely in your immediate future."
What a useless comment. As if he and his bishop haven't already had plenty of conversations
If a person is gay, can he be Baptized and receive the gifts of the Holy Ghost and receive the Priesthood?
Michael D ABSOLUTELY. Take Peter, for example.
ONLY if the gay person doesn't "act" on his thoughts. 3 Mormons have failed to mention that. God knows your thoughts and teaches that if you've thought it then you have already "done it" (Adultery, murder etc...).
3 Mormons is for entertainment and not doctrine as I witness them getting it wrong or spreading half truths consistently.
Yes but if you do you will be convicted and God by his love and power will deliver you from that lifestyle :)
If this person is not practicing the homosexuality, yes. We are not blamed for our feelings.
Yes a person can be gay and baptized with the holy spirit. They will just be convicted overtime though
What happened to this guy? Do a follow-up video to see where he is at with his activity level now
my family is die-hard Catholics. they form their beliefs from scriptures written by man hundreds of years ago. isn't that scary?
Loved finally seeing a video about this, thanks guys! There's just one thing I've been struggling to understand, which is because God doesn't make mistakes and he's created people who in some form identify themselves in the LGBTQ community, why would God find reason to deny gay people the opportunity to get married or live the same kind of lives any straight person would? I've been trying to learn more about the church and this is one of the things that's been a little harder to understand.
Thanks so much! Sometimes I need reminding that we can get further explanations in the future. As I'm not a member and I'm not meeting missionaries it's a little harder to learn but 3 Mormons certainly helps and it's great that when I put questions in the comments they're always answered by someone. : )
Columbia this year has legalized 3 way gay marriage and I guess subsequently straight marriage. Ask yourself God or no God is this right? God wants all his children to be loved, accepted and happy, but He doesn't need nor want to lie to them, comfort them in what He **may* deem as sin, and allow them to ignore nature, biology as well as His will, not their own understanding. He doesn't want to allow them to seperate themselves from His flock. Simply put He loves them as a child not as a friend. God is an intelligent being greater than all mans wisdom, and we can't comprehend or relay all His will, but we know Him to use greater logic than our own. Thus, God wants men to accept nature and natures laws rather than mans nature and mans feelings. We can love and accept all mankind including LGBQP+ but we can't lie to them about simple truth.
The church needs to be educated on this. I wasn't, and I grew up with prejudices, and now I want to understand our guy Mormon brothers and sisters. I don't want the world point of view to teach me, I want our leaders to teach us. The right way, the Savior's way. We have been to hush-hush about it for too long.
I would love to see more body flow, I feel your awkwardness. I've seen you guys more natural. This guy is not going to infect you! Xx. It's beautiful x