In Defense of Dorsey | Buffalo Bills Offense NFL Game Tape Breakdown by Kurt Warner
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2023
- This StudyBall is going to be a reaction to the Bills firing Ken Dorsey yesterday. Now, one of my biggest pet peeves with social media and where society is right now is that when you defend one person, everybody thinks that you’re criticizing or condemning another person. I never like to work that way. Sometimes it’s just about defending one side of things and yes, sometimes there’s collateral damage that you have to point out some issues with somebody else in doing so…but this is really just to talk about Ken Dorsey and how it didn’t make sense to me why they made that move with all the success they have had previously. Yeah, things are going great right now, but it’s not just on one person. When I look at an offensive coordinator, I say to myself their job is to get guys open for their players to be able to make plays. Now, we can talk about creativity…we can talk but you could do this different. I get it but the bottom line is are guys getting open…are you putting your players in positions to make plays and then the players have to make those plays. So, as we take a look at the Bill’s offense, I just want to show you what I’m seeing…and a lot of people will say I’m attacking Josh Allen. I’m not attacking Josh Allen at all…I actually think he is one of the best quarterbacks in the national football league. That said, I don’t believe that he’s playing his best football right now and you’ve got to figure out why. Maybe that’s part of why they let Ken Dorsey go, because Josh isn’t playing his best football right no. But to me it’s always a collective effort…when you’ve had success and then all of a sudden things start to fall off, it’s not just pointing the finger at one guy. I’ve seen it too often in this business where one person becomes a scapegoat, and again maybe there’s more going on…maybe there’s things that I don’t know about. But I was just watching the film and I didn’t agree with this move. Let’s dive into the tape and let me show you what I’m saying. #joshallen #kendorsey #buffalobills
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Kurts football IQ is off the charts. Love this man!
Man i love this. Kurt Warner is one of my favorite NFL analysts. He hits the elusive balance between skillful communication and expertise-detailed, in-depth anaylsis that's organized so it's easy to comprehend, AND no bs like so many others (i.e. sound-bite platitudes that just serve as filler for guys who like to hear themselves talk... Y'all know guys I'm talking about lol). Football is one sport where the more you learn, the more you love it. It really is like a chess match played out on-field by some of the world's best athletes. All thanks to KW for sharing this content!
Great breakdown. I see this offense struggling not just recently but back last year. Too much talent with Allen/Diggs for these results. Most disturbing fact… josh has had good protection this season
he's had good protection and has the 2nd best completion % in the league and #1 in total touchdowns. so its not like he forgot how to play the position. but the schemes and play calling since mid season last year has been mediocre at best.
@@mass9504So what changed? Can't say he's #2 in completion %and #1 in tds then say now it's all on the OC? He's literally showing you what's changed?
@@Ballaholic17put Goff in this position you won’t have the same stats.
Look if you watch a lot of football, you’ll know that in my opinion, offenses have the advantage in the first 4-5 weeks of the season(I know the pundits say the opposite, but the offense can put in new schemes and plays that the defense hasn’t seen, and offense has all off season and preseason to practice) with that said, if u look back to even last year, after week 4-5 this offense was in dire straights. The offense called the same plays, same formations, no layers or plays different, built off the same old formations. Why are you in shot gun on a 3rd and 1 or 2 yards ALL the time. You put josh under center on those, the defense has a harder time trying to decide what they will run. It can be a run, a play action, a play action with josh running on a roll out, or a roll out with a pass to a linemen or TE. Dorsey never even implemented motion with crack back blocks on run plays. Sooooo vanilla. I’m glad they fired him. I don’t like seeing a guy lose his job, but it was overdue
Yeah, ever since Dorsey took over he has ran the same crap, defenses learned it's always the same predictable crap.
Great video Kurt! This was the first game in this span of 6 flat offensive games where Allen really looked lost. If you were to look at Allen's numbers in the previous 5 games, even with the INT's his numbers suggest that it wasn't really him that was the problem. High COMP%, good yards, TD's etc etc. Now admittedly simply looking at stats is not telling the whole story, but also, what others are doing where they pick a few plays where Allen is missing open receivers and acting like he is playing bad is also deceiving. This was the first game where he really looked terrible, even with the INT's in the previous 5 games. Allen is pressing, he is inside his own head, the coaches are in his head. THey wanted him to play different. Josh started the season with this controlled excitement or whatever he called it mentality. Who put that into his head. We have Fournette, who is a veteran of 6 seasons, who has said that it will take him longer to learn the play book because this is the most complicated playbook he has ever seen.. Really? Is Dorsey overcomplicating this thing? Too many questions as to what has gotten the Bills offense to this point and why it wasn't being fixed.
The reason Dorsey probably got fired was cause he had two backs avg 7 yds a carry in a game where he decided to throw more than give the ball to them. On the Bills last TD drive they didn't attempt one pass. Do that all game and they probably shit stomp the Broncos...coming from a Broncos fan.
This comment sums it all up- period. Salute to you, sir. Buffalo is where RB'S come to die...
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been heartbroken since they let Dorsey go. Thought I was the only Bills fan that didn't like what happened monday morning. I appreciate the walk through where Kurt explained exactly what is going on. I've been concerned about Josh this year and think the lack comes from above Dorsey's pay grade.
Dorsey was the problem. ua-cam.com/video/eJhCDtGVa0w/v-deo.html
Obviously the change didn't come due to the scheme and play design only, McDermott is feeling the heat, he pretty much fired Frazier last year and now he got rid of Dorsey, the only person to blame next is him, and he's doing everything he can to save face. Kurt you don't have to apologize for telling your own opinion due to fear of hurting people's feelings.
Amazing breakdown. These are the types of videos the fans need because it’s so hard to understand in real time.
I think bottom line is if Josh isn’t being coached to see these things then a change needed to be made.
If he was being coached and still didn’t see them…that’s tough to reconcile.
Everyone that’s been around Josh said he has incredible football IQ and recall.
Hard situational all around
Yes exactly. It’s the kind of insight we crave, to better understand why things are so hard for the Bills currently. There’s no doubt in my mind that the team feels the tremendous weight of the fans’ expectations, and that’s contributing to Allen’s apparent lack of confidence. I do think that, for whatever reasons, the Bills offense is predictable to other defenses and they feel less afraid to challenge now than before.
So appreciate this Kurt. Hard for us to see thru this and get frustrated. Ultimately though if I’m Ken, I’m sitting down with josh and qb coach to address this super critical issue. I hate seeing guys open and josh not hitting them when we’re struggling.
Thanks for great insights. Let me get you Josh’s cell. Lol
Kurt Warner is a national treasure.
Love this, learned a lot
Is Kurt available to join the Bills' coaching staff as OC or whatever title? He sounds great to me!
You don't think the coaches have been showing him this? Wake up
@@Ballaholic17it’s not actually a question lol
@Ballaholic82 it's all good. Someone new is needed on the coaching staff. I was being more fascious about Warner being that person.
@Ballaholic82 facetious, sorry I can't spell today
Great explanation of the missed opportunities.
Best analysis. Go Buffalo
Interesting to see the mistakes Josh Allen made. The only part I'm concerned about now is that Watson shows some of those same qualities; half-second late, bailing on plays to early and being impatient in the pocket. Just hope they can overcome those problems. The only positive is that DW doesn't seem afraid to throw the 1on1's.
I don't understand why they fired him. He wasn't responsible for Josh throwing interceptions, he wasn't responsible for 12 players on the field.
Unfortunately, the Denver game was the straw that broke the camel's back. This team's offense hasn't been right since the Kansas City win last year. On paper, the numbers were great. But watching the team week after week, every down seemed like a struggle. It was out of sync most of the time. Sure, there would be stretches of great drives or a game or two like the Dolphins but then it would fall apart. There was no imagination to the offense. Hardly any pre snap motion.i even texted a friend the other night, how many times in a row are they going to line up in the same exact shotgun formation over and over and over and over again. Defenses were figuring it out. Out of 10 games this season, they had 3 good offensive games, one pretty good against the Bucs, and the rest were mediocre to bad. Yes, Allen turns the ball over too much. But the play calling wasn't helping fool the defense. There wasn't any adjustments being made. It was difficult and frustrating to watch.
@@Thefly-vh8tvafter the chiefs game? What are you talking about? The year after they had a full roster and no injuries for the first 4 or 6 games. They were on a tear. Opening day destroyed the steelers. It wasn't until after the injuries started to happen when they started to collapse.
There likely behind the scenes stuff that we don’t know about as well that led to this, but we’ll never know.
@@biym6969 They looked good up that point but then defenses were figuring it out and adjustments weren't made. They didn't do enough to develop a running game through out the year. They traded for Nyheim Hines, and while he was excellent in the return game on special teams, Dorsey had a difficult time scheming him into the offense. They had such a hard time developing a slot receiver, to the point they had to bring back Cole Beasley. It seemed out of sync last year as well. They barely beat a 3rd string quarterback in the 1st round of the playoffs and then we're beat soundly by the Bengals. At that point they were emotionally drained and beaten down from the shooting in Buffalo to the snowstorms to the Hamlin incident. I also chalked it up to growing pains with a 1st year OC. But it regressed even further this year. I thought they did a good job breaking down the offensive struggles in this video
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Dan Orlovsky has had great breakdowns of how predictable this offense had become as well.
For an offense with this talent to not score more than 25 points in 7 of the 10 games played during the easy half of their schedule, something wasn't working. Not every game is going to be a blow out but something had to change with the difficult part of the schedule coming up.
@TheHeadincharge maybe they should run the ball more. The straw that broke the camels back for me was the bills running for 7.1 ypc in the first half and opening with 4 straight throws. They finally decided to run the ball down denvers throat on their last drive. As the OC he should see the struggle and adjust. Run the ball until they load the box and pull more defenders in, then you get REAL 1 on 1 match ups. You get people wide open. Before the last drive they threw the ball like 6 or 7 more times than they ran it and they were getting all they could eat on the ground. He doesn't even have creative runs, there's no jet sweeps, no double handoffs, no flea flickers. It's all just so vanilla. He was putting too much pressure on Josh to make the perfect plays all the time when they don't even need to throw the fucking ball.
Thx Kurt!
Great video Kurt! It seems like Josh is impatient and makes it more complicated than it has to be. On the flip side, is Russell Wilson playing too simple and conservative? His passing ypg is not great but his td-int ratio is very good. Would be interested to hear from the goat how Russ is playing compared to the early weeks?
There is a bigger problem with the Bills that none of this addresses. Tony Romo hit on it when Cincy was owning them in the playoffs.
Buffalo is a soft, finesse team. You punch them in the mouth, they will fold like a cheap suit.
Josh Allen is trying too hard to fight this, and it's why he is so messed up right now. He feels he has to do everything, and it shows.
Kurt it's been 2 months since the last Sam Howell video and he's improved a lot since. Can we get a new video for him please?
Thanks Kurt. I thought timing of Dorsey getting fired was odd. McDermott feeling the heat.
Kurt, I'm a little late here, but are those mirror routes actually Verts .. .cause it seems that the receiver on the near side had an option to either check up or go deep depending on coverage. Coverage was tight, so Josh expected a deep route, but the receiver checked - thus the ball went sailing over his head. Safety working back to mof on near side, so maybe josh figured the WR was going to bust deep vs m2m... but the coverage was off so I would have expected the wr to check. Not on same page either way.
I was never a big joe brady fan (overrated from lsu results), but I love some of the added concepts - using the RBs/TEs - using Josh's legs more - setting up the power with the spread pass and runs. More of that college flexibility - power spread if you will.
I'm sure it's alot of pressure to play professional sports especially qb. Seems like it's the mental/discipline part that's missing from his game recently? Sometimes in all phases of life someone just has to be blunt and say "this is what you have to do no excuses " Perhaps Daboll did that with the offense. Thoughts Kurt?
The problem is also they haven't replaced Beasley and brown they space the field Beasley was automatic on 3rd downs brown had speed to stretch the field and them telling allen not to run that's taking away from his game and making other teams jobs easy no run game teams respect and they want a gunslinger to be a game manager and it didn't work out
@Kurt, you're hired!
Kurt, mesh is an air raid concept originally...so look for the grass vs zone -- that's all -- the shallow cross from the far side needed to sit! in the middle - or like you said - hit the guy in the flat ... good breakdowns here though-- can see that dorsey has modern spread (be it pro or ar style) concepts going on and josh and his wrs arent executing..
The OC has more to do than just call plays on game day. The Bills offense and Josh Allen in particular has looked apathetic and anemic since London.
Dorsey is very predictable. He lacks creativity and the defensive players I've heard from say they know exactly where the Bills receivers are going to run based on where they are lined up.
Josh has regressed since Daboll left. Who is responsible for that?
How long do you let the entire offense struggle and not do anything.
*In defense of McDermott's decision.
The Bills should hire Kurt as a QB consultant.
"Thanks Kurt great video. 1st Leslie now Dorsey, & don't forget Daboll was not happy upon exit. Mclove'n is next; it's written on the wall"
While the analysis of these passing plays are on point and Josh made some mistakes here, I think the video misses the most important thing: Allen seems to make these mistakes because he feels pressure on himself to make big plays. As an OC, I have to notice that and put some pressure off his shoulders by giving him a decent RUN GAME. Dorsey did not give his RBs the ball at all and ran most plays from shotgun without playaction. This puts Allen in the situation shown in the video.
Dorsey got the raw deal.
Kurt, you talk about read progressions - again would love to hear how you learned progressions in your day -- even some of the AFL stuff - just a thought - maybe Im the only one who would want to hear it ha-- but there are different reads and progressions as you pointed out. And btw at the 6m mark you nailed it - Josh isn't patient in his progressions later in the year - why? - Bills are struggling - he's feeling the pressure again to be DA MAN .... honestly I don't think this sit in the pocket and read patiently is Josh's thing ... some other more innovative and simple schemes would be great - use his legs - one and two read stuff then run ... Play actions - rollouts -- all different kinds of stuff to keep it simple and let him be josh... college style - think that's what brady is doing more -- but now we are transitioning once again with a new OC late in the year.
This is a great breakdown by Kurt Warner. I would not have fired Dorsey. I'm not happy about that, but I can't throw in the towel. We still have a Hall of Fame QB with Josh Allen, so we are never out of it💯
Allen is not Hall of Fame.
You are wrong just like Kurt is.
Josh Allen is a Hall of Fame QB💯Just like Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, and I believe that Jalen Hurts and Trevor Lawrence will be in that mix too. And Lamar possibly too.
At 5:44 mark, Kurt with all due respect, that is not a clean pocket. RIght Tackle Spence Brown lost his block on that player and the defender was coming for JAs head
It’s a 3 man rush and the free man is easily avoided by a calm step up. And since both guys in front of him are double teamed, there’s no reason for him to not be calmly drifting forward and ready to hit the double move. If Josh is one yard forward on the freeze frame he’s got an easy throw from a clean pocket.
@@joaquinfernandez9067 I understand what you’re saying and it makes complete sense, but if you watch the play, once the defender got free from the right tackle, Spencer Brown, he was within three steps from sacking Josh and the receiver doesn’t look like he’s ready to receive the ball. Now I understand if you’re saying that he should’ve just taken off and use his leg for the first down but in terms of a clean pocket, I don’t know if that was necessarily the case there.
Step up and throw the ball. That's NFL clean and NFL open
I love watching these breakdowns thanks for doing this. I think Dorsey was fired because it was 6 weeks of a
unstructured offense. Dorsey's game plan was too complex for the players and too easy to predict. More than
a few times players ran the wrong route and Allen was picked or they were confused by audibles. Aside from
Diggs and Cook, Dalton Kincaid and Khalil Shakir are the Bills best play makers after the catch. Davis, Hardy
and Sherfield should be 3,4,5.
Not a Bills fan so it's ok with me, but was it the OC or the Head coach who kept taking the hot running back out of the game?
HC got to be alert. Keep running the ball.. cook gotta stop fumbling also
sigh, depressing to watch this. mostly because we finally found a top QB, and he seems mentally broken now. there has to be some unknown issue going on here behind closed doors. good vid.
Kurt is just wrong on this. Josh is not the issue, Dorsey was.
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It's the Madden curse!!!!
Hey Kurt, I almost always agree with your criticism or critique, but with this film, yes I guess those guys are open in NFL speak. But with Josh having thrown a pick already, and nearly threw a second, I believe those guys are covered in most of that film. The route by kincade when he drops the ball, that was in his hands, and as I watched josh during this game specifically looked to be dbl clutching the ball a lot more. I watch a lot of game film, but never played the position, so it’s just my opinion. But from all the different breakdowns of Dorsey’s play calling, I could see there wasn’t much variety in the routes or scheme. Even orlofsky said that their offense was the easiest to prepare for. I watch another pod cast called cover one, and even they said the same as Dan, there are no layers to his passing routes/scheme. You look at teams like Houston, and their guys look to be schemed open, with a rookie qb and not a true number 1 receiver. As far as what I mean, the play that kincade dropped with the dbl slants, why not have kincade break a out route, and diggs a slant. Basically the safety is helping with diggs, and the corner covering kincade, not only has to work through traffic, but he also has single coverage. I totally agreed with his firing. I could have written a book on how all his plays/routes are the same, dictated by the coverage.
Dorsey's offense was so unnecessarily complicated while being so painfully predictable.
Basically each receiver was to read the defense and coverage and then pick a route based on the general play concept that would beat the cover. Which leads me to believe nobody had a clue what the guy next to them was going to do on any given play. And this is framed by replays of Bills receivers literally running into each other and being in the same spot on the field, multiple times throughout this season already.
Also, Coach Claps needed another fall guy.
the thing is, youve seen josh be elite, you dont just get dumber, you lose confidence but why, its the coaching that made him lose confidence....
Dawson Knox? He is injured and was not playing in this game! WOW, you are quite the analyst.
I just want the passing game to be more elite like the playoff teams that our ledt.
I respect you a ton, but if you look at down and distance on most of these plays, the story is completely different. Sure the hot is open for 4 yards on 3rd and 10 from your own side of the field. When you call plays is more important than getting guys open to make a man miss on 4th and 1.
Dorsey also did a poor job establishing a run game to help Josh. That's undeniable. Against the Broncos the Bills ran for almost 8 yards a pop, yet didn't lean on that until it was too late.
@tjsumigray22 they ran the ball 26 times and passed it 26 times?
@@Ballaholic17 And against the LITERALLY last ranked run defense according to DVOA they should have ran it 35 times. On both scoring drives they ran the ball 62% of plays.
@@tjsumigray22 Ok, so you think Joe Brady is gonna run it 35 times when they have Josh Allen? Wake up
@@Ballaholic17 don't put words in my mouth punk. I said Dorsey should have ran it earlier and more often. Dorsey is a pass to set up the run guy and it hurt the offense in multiple games.
Thank u Kurt I kno if u say it it’s true
Do you think mike martz offense could work in todays nfl?
Yes alot of offenses are similar
On the last video why didnt Allen Throw to Shakir running straight down the field deep?
You can watch film on just about every team in the league and see missed receivers and all just like what Warner is pointing out. Bills problems start with not having any real talent at wr after diggs. Gabe Davis is not a starting nfl wr. He’s not even a #3. He’s very limited athletically, I e been watching for years since he’s been here. I cehckecn out his draft profile by scouts and they described him to a T. A decade or so ago buffalos # reciever was Stevie Johnson who looked a lot better than he actually was because he was the best they had to throw to. Gave Davis’s big plays now and then and straight up lack of consistent possession receiver type numbers tell the story.
I didnt realize Kurt had a connection to Temple until now lol
"ARE GUYS OPEN" lol - that's great - Kurt, you were a QB and that's exactly what a QB is looking for in the end of the day... but you are right - nothing wrong with the scheme. But it doesn't seem to mesh with Josh's talents...from just this vid - if I never saw any of josh allen before - I'd say he's not a drop back QB. We all know that's not totally true ... but... this is way too much timing and read progressions imho for josh... hmmm..going to see how it's going this sunday night - last game vs dolphins. havent seen the bills since the first couple of games with Brady...
I don't get it. How is it going so poorly? When you look at the stats, Josh is #3 in Completion %, #4 in total yards, #1 in total tds, #4 in adjusted QBR, and just behind Patrick Mahomes in passer rating. Also, isn't he like 5th best in turnover-worthy plays %? Just seems like whatever can possibly go wrong, is going wrong.
The only stat that matter is W vs L. Just watch the game and see what a struggle it is.
You're a football genius, and understand the game, perhaps, more than Josh Allen ever will (that doesn't mean he might not be a HOFer some day). As a college OC myself, this year I had a complete disconnect between what I wanted and what the players understood. Ultimately, that's on me. Dorsey was annointed "the quarterback whisperer" as Allen made his ascention from raw talent to one of the best ever; perhaps, that was just the case of Daboll behing the actual impetus behind Allen's success -- coaches often give their assistants all the credit. That is not to say Dorsey doesn't understand the game, but it is obvious, from your own analysis, that Josh has ceased to understand the bigger picture, of the play and of the situation, in the last two years as we've watchted the parabula his perfomance has taken, at least in the public's eyes. The other factor here is that, McDermott has infused his "Brian Billick" approach to the game, and Josh might be double-clutching on simple reads because he has his HC in his ear telling him, "Whatever you do, DON'T throw an interception! That is the FORMULA to winning games in the NFL!" Whichever has affected Allen more, Dorsey had to go. Ultimately, they held on to the wrong coach after the :13 second game, in which Josh Allen looked liked the best quarterback in NFL history.
This video confirms that not just any QB could run the Miami offense
Yeah but Kurt A lot of times receivers were tripping over themselves running into each other in the same area that's on cooaching
It is another language to me. That is why being an NFL QB is so complex and why a stud QB is coveted.
Allen seems to be struggling with self-doubt. He's not trusting his instincts on reads, making him reluctant to pull the trigger early in a play. It's like he's double-checking his work...which is a great habit on paper but awful for elite sports where milliseconds matter. Earlier in the season i remember Allen talking about how he was aiming to change his style of play a bit-as he gets older he said he wanted to evolve away from his improvisation/scrambling, in part to stay healthy and in part to avoid costly mistakes. (This topic also came up more recently in that podcast he did along with Tom Brady, where Brady essentially said Allen should be more cautious with his improvisation/scrambling, too.) Maybe this goal to evolve & mature his game got in Allen's head so much that he's second-guessing all the time out there, leading to late throws and broken plays?
Excellent video. It just shows me my initial thought: there is a Josh problem. Because of Josh, the coordinator lost his job.
I love this Kurt but you don’t explain tempo and “layup” plays that could be installed to warm the engines. Of course it’s easy to dissect plays that were poorly executed but how do you account to the lack of rhythm.
It goes back to last year with Dorsey since the 2nd half of the packers game and McDermott probably thinking he's missing his best cb,lb,his main dt other guys going in and out of the lineup and playing as well as they can held cin to 3 points in the 2nd half the jags game was 11-7 forever and at the end of games the defense can't get stops cuz by then they gas for being on the field to long I think McDermott seen the offense not having energy wasn't communicating on the sidelines and had to fire Dorsey b4 the wheels fall completely off
There are scheme issues, and there is sequencing issues, but it wasn't clicking. Since Joe stepped, it's clear that Josh is freed up, they're executing. Also, NO SHOT of Dorsey sticking with the run game against Dallas to run up to 270 yards, he would have called a bunch of shotgun throws, and messed with Josh's reads, got in his head. It was absolutely clear that Josh is way more comfortable with Brady -- not sure if the scheme is that different, Davis is still running bad routes, that hasn't changed, but Dorsey refused to use Cook. To my mind, he should have been fired after the Jacksonville game. Offense has been running on sheer talent of Josh and Diggs for far too long. Not sure how things shake out, but Dorsey is a horrid in-game play caller. You picked a handful of plays where timing was, the TIMING WAS OFF for almost a full calendar year outside of 2-3 game spurts, all other games where they put up a lot of points was simply talent.
Cook rushed for 100+ yds BUT he fumbled 2x. I dont blame Dorsey for sticking with Allen. Daboll was similar with passing attempts too
As a bills fan our recievers drop a ton of balls. About 1/3 of allens picks are off of possesion style throws down field i.e. high risk/reward throws and tipped passes by either our own recievers like davis last week or like when the catch was ripped out of diggs hands or great defensive plays that caused tips at the line or second level. Weve got s lot going wrong but this team can right the ship
I get Josh is missing throws but isn't it the OC's job to identify the route that should come open pre snap? If the coordinator just calls plays couldn't the quarterback do this based on what he's seeing? This video tells me Dorsey who wasn't a great pro himself and was seeing ghosts when he became a professional isn't what the Bills need. They need a coach who knows what's coming and has beaten those looks before. Not knocking Dorsey but he hasn't done anything professionally that would lead me to believe he isn't the problem. Kurt was cold blooded but he also had Martz and Vermeil, 2 offensive geniuses and I'm pretty sure that helped considering how late Kurt became a HOF'er.
“With a good pocket”
*defenders a second away from sacking him*
C’mon Kurt… no ones saying Josh isn’t playing his best ball, but the OC is NOT making it easy.
One mans trash is another mans treasure. I think the Browns made a good decision in signing Ken Dorsey.
I would gladly take Ken Dorsey to be the Chicago Bears offensive coordinator for the 2024 season.
Is it just me or is Josh not rolling out like he used too? Obviously they don't want him to run, but it seems like they are designing the plays for Josh to remain in the pocket. I think that affects his rhythm and his effectiveness.
That's the whole goal of every offense. Staying in the pocket gives you options on both sides of the field. Rolling out limits you to one side. Designed roll outs should only be a small percentage of a playbook.
Are you serious? They lost against some of the worst team’s coming into the season. New England, Jets with a backup quarterback to name a couple. Their playing like s….. Dorcy has been calling text book plays and the opposing teams know it. 👎
But Ken Dorsey is gone, so it is a moot point. Hopefully the Bills find a new OC in the off season that can leverage and maximize Josh Allen's skills. It wasn't working with Dorsey's scheme, so it was necessary to make a change.
THANK YOU!...I'm a bills fan and I've been saying this all year to our fans ....our problems have been with josh Allen...not anyone else .....this video just proves it
Josh Allen is Jeff George with legs.
Hopefully the Browns get the most out of Dorsey.
A common theme all year, Josh is bailing out of the pocket too soon, discerning real pressure, bad year for Josh.
For the same reason I wanted to get rid of dabol wrong type of offense. Imagine Allen in a San Francisco or Baltimore type of offense. It's not that they suck just wrong fit
Why did they make the move, everyone pundits, players everyone has been saying this offense is predictable, defenders know what's coming. Maybe that in it's self is the reason.
Oh we need a new OC here in Buffalo now Kurt, (wink-wink). Josh seems like he's lost some confidence, maybe just needs help with his read progression.
Dorsey's schemes and play-calling were simple, uncreative and predictable. The Bills did well last year in spite of that, although the offense starting having issues in the 2nd half of last season. Roster talent made it work for awhile, but could not sustain the pedestrian play-calling. This game was just the tipping point. If they had won, but lost to the Jets next week, he would've been fired then. It was inevitable.
Exactly! Cover 1 does a much more in-depth breakdown of Dorsey plays. So predictable.
I don’t agree and only due to the fact is just that…DORSEY WAS NOT GIVING THEM THE BEST OPTIONS OF PLAY TO GET THIS OFFENSE TO THE LEVEL OF PLAY PERFORMANCE they are able to do…but it’s hasn’t been good for multiple games (not consistent since Miami game). There’s no motivation by Dorsey on his players, always immature reactions in booth, I wouldn’t want to see how he is in practice. He had to go!!!
"I'm not trying to blame anyone, but here are all the problems with Josh Allen"
I think he got a bad deal…the special teams lost the game and the defense also let the Broncos drive into field position. The head coach needs to look into the mirror because he might be the problem.
The performance from players to me still comes from a lack of enthusiasm in whats being called. It's too predictable from a scheme point and players aren't being used to highlight their strengths. It's an efficiency based offense that is boring its skill players by not letting their strengths shine. It requires alot of heavy lifting by rhe offense. Allen has a large blame in this but the bigger blame still fell on dorsey. He wasn't developed enough as a OC for this team and roster he can definitely thrive and grow in another situation this one wasn't the fit for him.
Kurt, if Josh throws the ball on the first play you brokedown, its a pick.
This is the third year in a row Allen will lead the league in interceptions.And he won't have the No 1 defense getting the ball back giving him the opportunities to score.
JA is hearing the int chatter in his ears, making him play too cautious and taking away his feel of the game.
Can't turn a tiger into a house cat. Asking Josh to play "easier" obviously isn't easy for him. Having one TO a game, but putting up 30+ is easy for him. Coach into the wind, not against, but give him the "easy" with the wind at his back. Coach to his strengths.
With that being said, I know absolutely nothing, just expressing my opinion as a normie that sees what has worked and has not. #GoBills
I urge you all to go watch wyoming josh allen. this is the same qb, he never changed. daboll just did a great job hiding his flaws and maximizing his tools.
I live in Laramie Wyoming and watched Josh in person. You cannot compare Wyoming Josh to Bills Josh.
this guy is just a Bills/Allen hater. probably a Chiefs or Dolphins fan.@@LaramieWY730
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So he has had Brady and now Warner literally spell it out for him in the last few weeks. If he keeps it up, he is a moron. I agree, he is special and he can be elite if he would just stop trying to make so many plays like they are down 21 with 10 minutes left. He has made some dumb choices while up by a small amount, resulting in turnovers. Protect the ball, take the 5 yards instead of the high risk 20 yard throw. Hope he takes what Brady/Warner are saying to heart.
Damn this was good. So Josh timing is terrible 🤷♂️
A Qb with a average to below average Football IQ will get any OC fired
We're gonna learn everything we need to know about Josh Allen over the rest of the season. Coaching won't be the blame to blame. Not saying it was all his fault, but why does he always get the pass for turning the ball over? Why is it always everyone else's fault? Why is he always absolved? All QB's don't get that same treat is all I'm saying.
Are you not paying attention? Allen gets graphics thrown on the screen every single game he plays about how he has the most turnovers since 2018. Every. single. game.
@@KevinAtPacific The announcers mention it apologetically every game. "He's turnover prone, but he sure is spectacular." "He's turnover prone and occasionally misses layups, but he's just a gunslinger." No one else gets that treatment.
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Josh gotta get his relationship in line or go back to Brit Brit who had him straight all those years
This is what I've been thinking! Josh has not been the same since the Packers game last year......right around the time him and Brit split. I refuse to believe there isn't a correlation there. Like everyone has been saying, Josh doesn't seem happy or like himself anymore. It can't just be he's bored of the offense with the lack of big plays and downfield throws. Relationships can have a profound effect on someone's life daily. Just my thoughts. Maybe I'm wrong here.
Dorseys most obvious mistake. Calling gun all the time. The whole offense has a big problem with that. The running game is ofc not working in gun formation but the problems go beyond that. The offense is extremly predictable. And if you set a safety as a qb spy and get diggs in double coverage, the rest in regular man coverage, then dorseys system is at the very end. This offense then has nothing else to offer. The playcalling wasnt great ar all and under brian daboll it simply looked much better and way more creative. Dorsey isnt the single problem here but with his playcalling they cannot get this offense go again.
Kurt got street cred!
Everyone else just blabbering idiots
Dorseys offense was predictable. Not enough Josh under center and not enough running the football. Shotguns on 4th n 1 . 3rd and goal from half yard line and they run a shotgun draw. The Philly push was easily the call for a half a yard. Wrong play calls in situations. He had to go
From a meta perspective:
Regardless the Xs and Os, it's been clear from last season that this offense made everything look hard for this whole team; the metrics and record were the talent shining through in spite of the scheme and play-calling.
McDermott should have recognized this and fired Dorsey in the off-season; on top of 13 Seconds, and questionable game decisions and game plans, an outward impression of little or no accountability from the HC or anybody really, McDermott's culture brings a very high floor, but also lowers the ceiling substantially.
So a move had to be made when this season, predictably, has gone much worse as the ball luck has regressed to the curve relative to last season, when a lot of ball luck was going our way. McDermott's process fails to account for luck, though, as he seems to prefer to coach and manage the team purely by metrics. The buck stops at McDermott, but, the Pegulas won't fire him, so Dorsey had to go, cuz otherwise McDermott may not have seen next week; Hell, he may still not, or maybe (hopefully) loses his job at the end of the season.
McDermott the DC is elite; McDermott the HC, is toxically loyal and unable to hold people accountable for their failures. His process and culture are great for an early rebuild, NOT to see the promised land.
Allen plays sooo much out of struvture
Kurt but it is josh that the problem. He’s not doing his job bottom line. Go Bills
His throws are looking funny, his motion, not as much juice, i think his shoulders worse than what they're saying
The Bills let Dorsey go because in the last 6 weeks, the Bills offense is averaging 7points in the 1st half. I’m guessing the bottom line was McDermott said fix it and he couldn’t get it done. Another hypothesis is they need to see if Joe Brady’s the answer without wasting another 17game season.
Josh Allen is the main reason for that
@@justinbellamy1399 good thing the next 7 games will show real answers.Either wrong or right Josh Allen isn’t going anywhere.
agree, Good move now so they can try to fix it and or see what they need for next year instead of waiting until next year
He got fired because they lost games that they shouldn’t have. The defense has struggled also but that can attributed to injuries. They needed to do something, the offense just was not consistent.
Made no sense man
Worst run defense in the league so let’s pass. Thanks Dorsey. Denver escaped with a win.
This!!! This is the answer. Everyone wants to talk about the pass, but we ran the ball for almost 8 yards per carry!!!