My problem with the temporary vestiges is that if you go through an area and complete it and carry on, if you need to go back to get something, you have to start at the very beginning of the area and run through all the enemies. So I found it was best to go through each area and 100% complete it on my first visit to prevent having to trek back for something where it ends up being a pain in the ass since you have to run all the way though some big and tough areas.
I think many of the complaints you've made are warranted, but i think the reasonings for those things (mainly attributing it to the developers mindset) is honestly very very cynical, with no room for any "devils advocacy", considering none of us are devs for the game. I think the issues that plague the game boil down to a pitentially rushed release date, as well as very little QA testing, if any. I remember when Lies of P had a demo out, all my Souls friends HATED it, and it got better. LotF didnt have that, to my knowledge, and the reason for that is probably because of the rushed release for one reason or the other. The other point I have to make in defense of the game is about the cheesy narrative. As a longtime Souls vet myself, a 360 Dark Souls release day vet, i can absolutely tell you that Souls games all have cheesy storytelling. Everything revolves around that kinda cheesy, fantasy telling. Its not the best story, and everyone gives it a pass because you learn about it through item descriptions, NPC dialogue, or VaatiVidya LOL. There are many things LotF does correctly imo. Like you said, the visuals are stunning, but we can't pick and choose which Souls game were going to compare the game to. In terms of DS1, the world interconnectivity is underwhelming, but in terms of DS3 its much, much better than its linearity. We have to keep in mind that the Souls community constantly bickers as to which Souls game is the best one, so we cant just sumerize all the games and parts into its best theoretical version to compare to a rebooted IP, thats just dishonest. I honestly think, after the game reaches a stable place for consoles/PC, you should review this game again. There has been no mention of the daily (sometimes twice a day) patches slung towards the PC edition, with the console patch out now. Theres no mention of the developers acknoledging their mistakes. Theres no mention of things developers stated are coming to the game that might impact how you feel about enemies, vestiges, and NG+ (even though you havent played it yet). Nothing. Its a tremendously rare thing for a developing team to put out 3 patches in the launch week, let alone 7+ patches in the first week alone. I understand where the points come from, and why it wasnt mentioned, but in the same breath you cant say they DONT care or DONT get it because they have specifically targeted what players want most and are patching in these features daily. Can we at least get props for devs working on getting the issues ironed out as efficiently as possible for once?
I will give the devs no props at all for the speed of updates, because they specifically hid the games technical issues until after launch. I was offered a review code of this game, but then when I requested one for xbox, they refused to give it to me. All reviewers only were allowed pc versions of the game because they knew about the horrendous console performances but shadily kept it a secret until after launch. For me that stuff makes me lose all respect for the developers.
@ChaosSoulYT oh, I know you never got your Xbox code. You said it in the same video in which you stated you'd do your best to make sure that fact wouldn't provide a bias towards the review. Was that shady? Yes. That action was inherently shady. But why does their previous action colour the multitude of positive actions they are making now? Are they not allowed to push out all these patches in order to fix the game? Do you see any other developer doing this? Take Insomniac Games, wherein they released Spider-man 2 recently and have yet to patch out the Cuban Flag instead of the Puerto Rican flag for Miles Morales. That one single thing they haven't patched yet, despite the comparatively easy feat, which is plain lazy. If there's anything you CAN'T say about Hexworks and CI Games, it's that they didn't realize the massive mistakes they made at launch and that they didn't push out 20+ patches thus far.
Okay that is true, I did say I wouldn't allow it to make me biased. Its difficult though. For me they are just doing what should have already been done, but yes it is good that they are releasing so many updates. They shouldn't have had too though.
@ChaosSoulYT That's something everyone can agree on: it shouldn't have to be done, it should have been optimized from the very beginning, and it should have had its issues ironed out before release. It should have already done, and if they were truly a shit company/team of devs, they would have run off with the money and have done the bare necessities to make the game run how it should. I'm only trying to point out that, yes, this is true, but they're doing much more than even I, someone who pre-ordered LotF and NOT LoP (I don't like bloodborne as much, sue me) would have expected. They're even going as far as to have console cross play included in the latest patch, something that wasn't even included in the general gameplan for them, as well as reworking NG+ and even adding modifiers and randomizers natively, something us console peasants couldn't get that PC players could. It's clear to me that the dev team, while patching and fixing optimization, is also including community suggestions and requests, something I would have never expected from any studio. That's all I wanted to bring forth. Again, many of your points I agree with, solid video. I just hope that you give it another honest go once things have been fixed and do a follow up after the disaster that was Launch, I'm sure it won't just be a fluid experience at that point, but potentially a much more positive experience considering the features they're adding/tweaking
@@ChaosSoulYTI could be wrong, but it sounds like you should be blaming the publishers instead of the developers. Game devs don't have control over release dates, and they're working extremely hard to finish the game after their bosses had them rush it out the door before they had time to iron out the kinks
I won't be playing until they fix the lock on(if they do). I'm so sick of dying because I lock onto an enemy in the distance instead of the one I'm aiming at.
My biggest issue with this, it's that you realize how bad is to control the direction of your swings in this game. In fromsoft games, the lock-on has some noticeable issues, but when you're surrounded or fighting giant things, you simply turn off the lock-on and manually control the direction of your next attack, hitting your enemies without trouble. Here, you try the same, and the forward momentum makes you miss your attacks half the time, so manual aiming isn't a reliable option and it the lock-on doesn't target the foe your need to hit, you're going to have a bad time, even more with the absurd amount of enemies that will attack you at the same time.
You did not read the notes, it listed things they were planning on changing, not things they were changing in the patch. Don’t expect anything like that until the performance is stable.
If you allow the game to be LoTF, and don't compare it to All-Time masterpieces, it's incredible. The vision, the style, the artwork, the speed and the variety. Hell even the lore! It's all there.
Disagree even on it's own it doesn't stand that well. Having to slog through the same few enemy types in every level, getting to a boss which you kill in 1-5 trys and then go back to the same old enemies in a new location is just not that fun.
@@tefinhosThat’s literally the same shit in LoP 😒😒😒 how many times do you have to kill the butler and prototype puppets both games don’t have a crazy variety it just feels like it’s more because LOP is more linear focused. That games boss telegraphs are terrible and atp it’s just biased to say that it’s better because they’re roughly the same game when you don’t compare them with FS games. They’re both great but to say Lies is better is complete nonsense because it’s not doing anything we haven’t seen already in blood borne or dark souls
@@kusansimpson2514 Nah man LoP does the levels pretty well. Of course they repeat enemies but it has more variety and just overall less enemies. The linearity also helps in creating shortcuts which actually make sense. LIke in LoP you will take 40 minutes to clear a level then get to a difficult boss which you will also need around 40 minutes to beat. In LoTF you will take 90 minutes to clear a level, then get to a boss which you need 5 to 10 minutes to beat. The bosses are such a let down even if they are visually very good. Defeating a boss is the best feeling in souls-likes and if you leave people feeling "That's it?" after a boss you have failed in being a souls-like in my eyes. The final boss is also an insult, you can choose between a worse version of deacons of the deep, a recolor of an early boss or no boss fight at all.
Cant argue with alot of your points. Especially when it comes to the mechanics and performance. I loved my first but the second just seemed miserable. Word on the street is they have a patch out adding vestiges back.
You do a good job of structuring your points. It really is a shame that they didn't put more time into cleaning up the details and making sure the game had polish. It has some potential under the veneer of mechanical problems.
But it's kind of fortunate ironically that many of his points, respectively, either aren't valid at all, or aren't valid anymore. NG+ vestiges are changed, you can have all of them still. You can now send back Elevators. The agro range of enemies is now comparatively smaller and they won't chase you all across the map anymore. The density of the enemies has been reduced in certain areas. There has been almost always an optional temporary vestige spot available right before any boss fight, so the run back is essentially optional, it is player choice. About the damage enemies do, there's a fact you also not only have double the life, and more than that, a very strong comeback mechanic; the first time you die doesn't even count because when you enter the umbral upon dying, you can regain almost full health by a single Lond Sword charged attack without using any healing potions. Even in his gameplay right here at 21:45 he regained 50% of his lost health by doing 4 basic light attacks and at the same time he is complaining how many hits it takes to recover, I just don't understand it. Not to mention there are sufficient spots where you can transition to the real world again, so you get back your comeback mechanic again. In my opinion the biggest issues with this game right now are lock on system, certain boss fight encounters, performance issues and lack of enemy variety.
As a Huge soulslike fan i see this game as a W. Despite some issues & performance woes i absolutely loved my first playthrough(40 hrs) & cant wait to dive back in with a new build. Ive been saying this alot but i feel like this game is a fix of DS1-3. DS1 brilliant interconnected world design, DS2 clunky but fun combat with challenging enemy density & DS3 graphical fidelity .. & i absolutely love that. 🔥
in ds1 the world was interconnected for a reason, because u couldnt fast travel, so when u needed to buy some titanite or whatever in one end of the map u could take a few shortcuts and get there in a reasonable time. in lotf2 u unlock shortcuts to areas that u will never need or want to visit again just so the reviews can mention that its an interconnected world. its not the same
@@reclusiam understandable but In LoTF you don't have to fast travel to get anywhere either. Pretty much every place you go to can be reached without using vestiges to fast travel. Same as DS1 before you get the option to fast travel.. I disagree that places open up to nowhere because there are tons of secrets in the umbra realm to find in almost every region of the game. I found myself constantly going back to areas via shortcuts because I missed an important item or upgrade.. if its not the same then at least there similiar enough
as a souls vet most of the things ppl complain about I am going to be the bad guy and actually mean this when I say it git gud. I recently played ds 2 over with my brother so he could get to it and that game feels just as floaty and shitty as it did on release not even close to the same feeling. the bonfire spacing in this game is way better than ds 3 with its like 50 damn bonfires per stage. magic is better ammo and ranged weapons are better, seemless co op the entire game, most points people bring up are super hypocritical..." the dogs are annoying" ds 1 capra demon fight I am sure the dogs felt just great for first timers. "The enemies hit hard." did you all forget vigor check was an eldenring meme for a reason and that was before the patch with the defense nerfs.. we have a ton of content the devs are always patching and caring about the game with nerfs buffs fixes ect. how long did eldenring go with the moonveil rivers of blood cheese meta before it was even talked about by the devs? the mimics can actually get vet players unlike in souls because once you find them you never fall for them again. this game has so much stuff in it yall are crazy.
But you also have a lot of mobs that don’t even spawn until you engage another enemy and the aggro ranges are so insane that they break immersion. Players could probably make more use of their tools, but the game pulls some ridiculous bs all the way through.
I completely understand people's criticisms of it, but I personally LOVE this game. Completely nails all aspects of what I love about Souls games - excellent world with interconnectivity, interesting lore and storytelling, lots of build options. Dark Souls 3 was my first Souls game and it's giving me the same vibes.
I absolutely loved it but I can perfectly understand why people don't, what for me was a not so meaningfull flaw for others is absolutely deal breaking. What I feel bad and it seems to be the same case with this review too is how they only focus in what it does differently from fromsoft and does not do well but not really pay attention to how they fix things fromsoft really struggles with. The magic system is mentioned usually but so many other things like huge bosses not being a pain in the ass and actually knowing how to make dual bosses fun, something that fromsoftware seeminly forgot after making dark souls 1. I truly believe that this game would be much better recieved if it did have a decent enemy placement because everything suffers because of this flaws.
I love lords of the fallen. My friends and I absolutely love it. We can't understand all the negative put on it. I also can't understand why people are saying there are too many enemies. I don't see how there is more than any dark souls game or elden ring?? I thought this game was easy, too much so if anything. The seedlings are awesome. Seedlings are infinite and cheap. I wish they costed more if anything. They made it a bit too easy to have a checkpoint. Such a great game though.
The key word for this game is "annoying." How the enemies are laid out, the amount and feel of their attacks... annoying as hell. I think Mortal Shell felt WAY better.
I was enjoying it but got to this exact fork in the road with the battle left and the bridge bloke the other way. I been playing d4 s2 and sunno if I actually like lotf again now. The thought of fighting 6 different (X10) enemies is kinds off putting, the best part of from is the massive amount of varied enemies.
My biggest issue with this game is the targeting system. So clicky and sensitive. Like even with a subtle touch of the right joystick on my controller and it instantly snaps onto the weaker enemies a mile away when I’m trying to focus on the big Rogar fire skeleton knight guy or the dual wielding axe guy or that holy shield guy. The targeting system really does feel like it works against you at times because of its sensitivity.
@@googleplaynow9608bro stfu. 😂 I do but when stuff gets tense you often have to keep your thumb on that joystick in case you get jumped from behind. I do this with every souls like and this is only one where that can be a major problem and all they gotta do is lower the sensitivity. It locks on lighting even though you barely moved the damn thing. You either didn’t play the game or are just a D-rider
@@frankgrimes7388In that case, tap the stick to adjust to the correct target. I agree though, targeting could use improvement... but I've never played a souls or soulslike with good targeting tbh, including lop. It's like a genre requirement I guess.
This game has many issues, mainly being the enemy density and aggressiveness resulting in the character being "boxed" and the annoying platforming which is usually just hateful in soulslikes. But for your other points, I feel like you just wanted another Elden Ring or Lies of P, without putting the time or mental effort to understand the unique challenges and goals of LotF. Even more so than Elden Ring, this game is about builds and unlucking that build. With item combinations (talisman, rings and eyes) you can become overpowered, virtually unkillable. And there's great satisfaction in that. The placeable bonfires furthermore make the exploration and progression trivial. With 5 at your disposal to be used in between main bonfires, with some exceptions (wtf were they thinking with the archer + dogs boss fight), you can progress with minimal backtracking and the drop rate of seeds is generously high, you never lack them. I honestly quite enjoy the NG+ added challenge, which, in design, was supposed to be the base game mode. But luckily was not, as navigating the map for the first time, it's vital to be able to teleport around freely. But once you know wherevto go, adds an element of commitment to an area, before moving away from it. Feels more organic and like an actual journey. Still, while not even close in polish to Elden Ring, I believe LotF 2023 to be a gem in the rough
To be fair i think its a great game! Yes, it has performance issues but most games being realised now does. Even Elden Ring had bad performance issues the first couple months on pc. Taking out the vestiges in NG+ might not have been a popular idea but doesnt neccessarily mean its bad. Demon Souls didnt have bonfires at all! Dark Souls was nicely woven as far as going area to area. But the game was a much smaller scale. Think they did a great job in this game. Not perfect by any means but it works. Im not at the end of the game but i dont get the complaint of enemy density. You have a dodge to kite enemies. Also have really nicely implimented ranged attacks to take them out. That being said they need to fix the lock on. When it works its great. When it works! Snipers shooting you all the way across a map is rediculous. If we obtain that crossbow/bow/spell and cant achieve that range then enimies shouldnt be able to do it. So i dont believe LOtF is perfect by any means, but everyone riding Fromsofts coat tails is just getting annoying. I love them as a studio. Obviously passionate about their games. Especially the souls series! But at the same time none of their games are perfect. They implimented mechanics in their games and then pulled them by the next title. Some people believe it was because it was a bad mechanic for some and id argue they made it easier for the common gamer. I just like how Hexworks made this their passion project. And how theyre fixing what needs fixed. Taking feedback from people and implimenting those changes the community wants. Or coming to a middle ground. Like theyre having it to where you can have the vestiges now in NG+ if you want. Or take them out with a modifier. Adding a hardcore mode. Among alot of other things. Really wanting a strong co op and pvp gameplay experience. Which for the most part pvp was at the backburners for Fromsoftware. With limited co op play. Not to meantion spells were annoying to cycle through. Even in Elden Ring. Feels more fluid in the LOtF. Combat not being perfect feels faster paced but smooth and fun. I dont think it feels cluncky. Not saying everyone will agree but this combat isnt bad. Rolls feel nice unless your over burdened. The attacks feel great. I mean you will still have to go through your full animations if you do combos and stuff.
lotf2 is by far the most annoying game i have played in a long time. the wither health system is pure garbage when at every moment there is a couple zombies spawning in quietly behind u and knocking all that withered health off. just everything in this game seems to be made to annoy the living hell out of the player, its like a cheap version of ds2sotfs. i eventually completed it for some reason and it just never stops being annoying and unfair. its the most unpleasant soulslike experience since code vein.
My problem with the game is just the lack of enemy types in the game I mean 5 hours in I have been fighting the same mobs over and over. And it runs like garbage on a capable rig. Not a great experience so far for me but I am past the 2-hour mark for getting my money back, so I should have watched more videos on the game, I feel I won't even play this game. Cannot agree it is better than the Surge 2..the combat in that game is spot on ..this game it just feels weird and just way too many ranged attackers I find myself just running through mobs..horrible game design in LOTF.
Ikr, enemy diversity is the thing where game stands or falls, this one sadly falls, hoodied sorcerer, two axe guy, skeleton fire knight from start to finish what a disaster
No way, what level are you and how far did you get? In no way do enemies scale with you. At level 100 almost every enemy was a 2 shot, flying moth things and black reapers are 3 shot and I have beaten the last 8 bosses on the first attempt including the Light Reaper.
@@NME10EThese people are not even playing the game they are just trying to justify not playing it because they heard asmongold complaining and now think it’s bad because paid reviews and UA-camrs are shitting on the game like it’s horrible even though it’s not
While the bosses have been laughably easy, if OP did not play with any form of magic in their build they are 100% justified for feeling like levels dont do anything. I played a quality build and at level 100 I hit no harder than i did at level 40. Basic mobs take 3-4 hits minimum with my colossal boss sword, where the boss turned mob enemies take less damage than they did when they were bosses. Meanwhile my non-upgradeable throwing ax is hitting mobs for 5x the damage of my sword. This game has issues, just because you cant see them through rose tinted glasses doesn't mean they don't exist. @@NME10E
it's mid compared to top-tier souls games... it's still a good game and I definitely got my money's worth... but after beating Adyr and getting the radiant ending I was relieved for it to be over. It's just a kind of clunky experience combat wise not to mention awful performance in my 7900 XT and my 4070ti (crashes galore on both)... it's kind of like DS2 after a while, just a lot of work and tons of spam enemies without any dynamic combat@@kusansimpson2514
Its a step in the right direction and they are constantly improving and getting the feedback. If people dont realize how far they have come since the 2014 version and this one. They will get it right and looking at the updates. Im already happy as can be with the improvements they are making with this current version. And will get better when they do another Lords of the fallen. I do have my grips with it but it seems that they are looking into and improving what I dont like about the game from the feedbacks.
(sorry for pro eng skills) Tbh i can agree with to few "bonfire starters" and that they cant stay forever, but rest of that video is just you complaining that its not like dark souls BRUH its diffrent game from diffrent game dev studio This game is awesome at its dinamic and noonstop combat, the exploration is fascinating and dangerous, you can die everywhere if u rushing like idiot tho. bosses like in dark souls, just learn the pattern and ez, just be patient for allmost everything you say, as a DS veteran i can say only one thing GIT GUT
It's interesting to hear so many people who don't like it, I think the game combat and moment feels great. And I really like the game. Enemies are also fun to fight, they don't have weird awkward movesets to catch you.
I bought both Lies Of P and Lords Of The Fallen around the same time. While I enjoyed Lies very much I absolutely loved Lords so much more. I agree with a lot of your criticisms but overall I just had more fun exploring the world of Lords and experimenting with different builds. I found Lies to be far too linear with not nearly enough enemy or environmental variety.
To be fair, rolling boulders and swinging axes don't really feel like authentic ways of fending off intruders either. You need tons of suspension of disbelief playing Fromsoft games, too. Not that Umbral is a particularly well thought out world, but my first encounter with Sen's fortress was just as eyerolling.
About your comment on Soulsborne influences, there are quite a comprehensive list including mimic-like creatures and that the boss Dervla is basically gender bent Artorias to name a few
@renmcmanus not about argue semantics with some rando on UA-cam. My point was that LotF draws clear inspirations from the Fromsoft games in both enemy design and lore beats among many other things. If you can't admit to that objective fact, i don't know what to tell ya.
I get where you are coming from in some of your points but disagree with most of you said, the combat in particular feels great in my opinion and this is from someone that has played lies of P, Sekiro, Elden ring, Jedi fallen order, Bloodborne... etc. The only complaint that I have in that respect is that the fist weapons feel clunky to use but the movement, parrying, dodging, jumping, all feel great and I dare say that in some respects the combat feels better and more rewarding than in Lies of P.
There is no reason for you to slide forward to your death everytime you attack with any weapon. And the game likes spamming hazards, ambushes, etc. Everything in this game is either enemies' weak-ass frail pushes pushing a 200kg, fully-armoured player 6 feet across the floor, or the player manually falling to their death. If we're talking about the "speed", for sure it feels nice. But the actual application itself DOES NOT feel good. The reliance on slide/push mechanics to punish the player for actually choosing to actively fight skirmishes in platforming levels is just questionable at best.
I agree with basically everything you said. I hated playing this game. Besides the overbloated damage what really solidified my disdain for this game was the movement. Open up Lies of P, Dark Souls 3, and Elden Ring and dodge in every direction then attack in any direction. Characters in Lords of The Fallen THROW themselves. They don't dodge or attack, they lunge and moon leap. Then there was the writing...I'm an artist and a storyteller in RL and have been for a long time. The narrative of this game was piss poor, especially the dialogue. The setting was basic, decent, functional, but whenever the characters talk I felt insulted. Written dialogue, cadence, functionality, dialect, context, subtext; all failures. Watch the opening of FFXIV: Endwalker and listen to how each character talks, then listen to the opening of this gutter-trash. Credit to the art department, you guys excelled; my only complaint is thematic cohesion and thematic components being only Flesh and Templars when you boil it down, but you did a great job with those two main components. Great job.
Yikes. This review started out pretty measured, and by the end it's absolutely SAVAGE. I haven't played it yet, but i already bought it, so I guess I'll give it a shot anyway.
you can send elevators back up though I literally did it all game. touch the button and roll off before the door closes. There are numerous lifts in ds3 with closing doors. Same thing. Performance has been fine for me on pc as well. I have a rtx3080. It runs fine on high settings. I keep it on medium though because it looks better imo. less clutter. They have also fixed the NG+ bonfire issue. The thing that upsets me about some peoples critique is shit like bosses being normal enemies. Everyone jerks of Elden ring about it but its suddenly bad if LOTF does it. I was fine with it in both games. It's a non issue. We could do fore more variety there are too many zombie like enemies. But the placement of the boss enemies as normal enemies is really good. I like the ambushes. I like the mimics. Actually yes. The mimics are my favorite part about the game. The tell is easy to identify but grabbing an item in the heat of battle is risky. Its the players fault 100% for just being grab happy. I see so many people bitch about mimics when they wont take 2 seconds to glance at the item in an obvious spot. All I can say is, if you bitch about mimics its 1000% a git gud moment. Most of people complaining when it comes to combat or enemy density is a git gud moment. The devs already addressed enemy density due to complaints. Its fine now. Stop running past all the enemies then giving a surprise pikachu when they follow you and you get surrounded. The only 2 actual issues with the game are 1 weapon move sets. We need more. its sad to pcik up a new weapon and its just a reskin. The movesets are good as is, But we need more and 2 PvP is unplayable invasions are somehow worse than DS1. Co-op works great. I played the game solo and played it again the whole way through on a new character co-op and it worked just fine. I only had 2 or 3 instances of a de sync issue. that was fixed by re summoning my brother.
Already have 60 hours in this game, easily worth €60 in my opinion, Lies of P cost the same as well. Both are great games in their own way and I have fun in both, it's great times for a gamer right now. Lies of P definitely a bit more polished and enemies a bit better designed but both different artstyles and LOTF art is also really beautiful. The game just need a bit more threatening big knights and other scary stuff. Performance for me have been pretty good overall, sitting on a 2080 Super, medium and high on settings with DLSS on quality and sharpness at 0,41. It looks insane for me, don't even need high/ultra on everything.
What really pissed me off is when the game baited you to put a vestige seed down and then you’d turn a corner and run into a permanent vestige. Happened quite a few times
@@ChaosSoulYTIt's not deliberately frustrating, it's for ng+ when that vestige wouldn't be there. Plus you get lots of seed drops and can buy as many as you want from the hub.
@@mayhem5235That is horrible design they were better off placing more key locations for bonfires like literally every other souls game. The removing vestiges is such a artificial way to make NG+ different just for the sake of it.
This is such a massive disappointment for me. I was a fan of the original even while seeing its many flaws - I always thought it had some good stuff to offer, just executed poorly. So I was really excited at the idea of a remake. I can't believe that they got so many years later, put so much time and money into this game, and completely failed to learn so many of the lessons that the first game should've taught them.
I completely disagree w you on From Soft. They do not always have fair boss fights. They have a rng system where sometimes certain bosses are literally impossible to beat if they string together certain attacks that round.
I loved this game. Couldn´t finish it though becuause from on point onwards it kept crashing on my PS5. Was the only game doing this so it definitely wasn´t a hardware issue and it first occured after a certain patch. Didn´t get resolved for about two weeks and after several patches I stopped playing. Might start it again on my PS5 Pro but I am somehow afraid the same problem will occur again ^^
I agree with you on a few points, specifically the damage that enemies dish out. An easy boss, I'd think, spurned progeny can one shot my character with his fist which is ambiguous in how to dodge correctly.. I died over and over to this boss and the hushed saint because of their one shot kills, not because they are difficult. If you are going to make enemies do so much damage don't give the player a heal item which doesn't even heal them up to full, because they are useless. I was one of the first people to finish elden ring so I have gotten good, the enemies in this game just get cheap one shot kills or gank the player with tremendous swarm damage that raising your hp or putting on the heaviest armor won't change.
Ive seen funny reviewers giving this game 9 or 10 and tell his viewers to ignore the haters...BUT...when people comment with the glitches and bad trash mob designs etc...he acknowledges that its bad but future patches should hopefully address it...makes no bloody sense when theres legit reasons why its not an amazing...
What are you talking about? They're changing it with the next patch that comes out on like Thursday that they're going to give you the option of playing it with bonfires or without
I had absolutely zero problems with the bow and arrow boss with the dogs. I ignored the dogs and overpowered her with running heavy attacks. Done. Simple.
You mean the devs have patched and addressed/changed a ton of complaints raised by the community faster than any company I’ve seen as of late. The game is a ton of fun.
Well, Elden Ring turned out pretty good after the shitstorm it got because of "unacceptable" performance issues. I played it on PS5 and it worked quite similarly than LotF when it got released (not perfect, but works mostly), but on PC it really struggled and they had to heavily patch it. Ofc games should be released when they are ready, but release date optimization isn´t the greatest thing From Software is known for either.
Damn! you really didn't like this game. I think it is the best souls like i have played not made by from software. I have not played Lies of P though. For example the dog boss fight i loved it made me have to split my attention. The boss is super easy what makes it challenging is the dogs. That reminded me of the classic dark souls boss with 2 dogs. (cant remember the name of the boss) Only this time yore not super dead dead if you don't kill the dogs instantly. I also liked the 2 dimension part where you are super stressed because it keeps spawning in more and harder enemies as time goes on. The temporary bonfire system is great but too easy to abuse, because you can buy infinite of them from a early vendor for cheap. In my opinion it's the most refreshing souls like in a long time. It actually has new things with the 2 world concept. Sorry for bad English it is not my native language. And i really thank you for this review. It made me understand more why people don't like it as i do.
Feels like your character is on ice and sliding around especially the momentum when you try and stop while doing the platforming on the perch area. Kicking is your best friend there. But also as far as characters go drustan is abo6as good as you can get lol. Lampy...those baddies better watch out lol
First I was like f this this is too much n doesn't work. Then I was like damn wow I might play whole day tomorrow. That was today.. Them I ended up beating that big monster boss u drop to . After that the Umbrial fkn nightmare soup before the horse boss completely killed my vibe. Never have I ever went from 9 to 1 in one level. 😢 N ppl have the balls to hate in this level u playing at the beginning of the video. " Because u drop" yeah so does the enemy! Absolutely loved it. All I can do is pray that fkn mess where everything look/ feel the same so u and up not giving a f m Just run n hope u end up in the right place. There was no logic all of a sudden where to go . A mess . How ban they manage to f it up like that . I was so happy yesterday. Bosses are what they are I feel like u need little luck n not really a strategy u just kind a go n hit n escape again. I really like the light thing tho . Makes u feel all magical
I haven't played the game, so maybe its unfair to judge it in poor youtube resolution, but I don't quite get the praise this game is getting in terms of visuals. Its a busy mush of objects and particle effects. The closest thing I can think of is DMC5, which had terrible visual aesthetics like you were in a mushy demon intestine the entire game, so overly detailed that it makes my head hurt. Thats what this looks like to me. Liurnia, for example, is way easier on the eyes because FROM dont feel the need to overcompensate for visuals by placing as many objects as possible on the screen. It's also quite beautiful too.
I agree with everything you've said, I just couldnt chew that game, and that bowman with dogs, you just run around and do one 2 attacks when he is charging bow, the game is so dull and boring, combat takes ages, parry is useless its not worth it, just roll hit but that freaking animation is so slow , everyhing feels boring and iam not feeling that my character is like there if you know what i mean.. and all combat with bosses are just, they can be easily ignored ,all of the attacks just going to the left and you easily break them after 1, 2 tries ,you see how bad they are designed
I like it, but agree. The enemy, and gotcha bullshit is over used to death. This is typical, "look how much harder our gaame is than DS". They failed. They created a gsme after the first time through a slog encounter, people just wana run through it the next time.
NG+ is getting a lot of attention in upcoming patches, you will have customizable ng+ options. There's a patch releasing tomorrow that allows you to replay the game with all bonfires still there. It also modifies mob density and behavior, and some other things. Surprised you put out a review video two days before the first major game changing patch without mentioning any of it.
You're right about everything you say I think. I am probably only about a quarter through (I haven't freed the blacksmith or gotten the ability to get boss weapons yet) but I've played for many many hours already. You are expressing some pretty reasonable criticisms. I wanted to make two jokes. The first would be pretending to champion the game and say something along the lines of: "Why don't you just 'Git Gud'...then?!!!" LOL Because I watched your footage..and you 𝘢𝘳𝘦...good! Ha Ha. And as you've said... the game does look very beautiful. And some things are pretty amazing. I think another reviewer said something along the lines of... he just doesn't think the designers ever play Souls games. I think the idea of having The Upside Down (Ed. - He means the Umbral realm) is definitely an interesting twist. I am going to make a second bad joke regarding the extra 15 quid or so Lords charges vs. Lies of P's price and say "Did you ever wonder if that money is going to H. R. Giger's estate? For their licensing his designs for their underworld? Joking but their inspiration is pretty obvious. But I did pay my money. So I want to try and stick with it. I played Elden RIng (amazing) couple times and then went back and played Dark Souls. I am happy to hear that if LotF doesn't seem fun I have Lies of P to look forward to. I have been invaded several times. None expected. And once when I was deeply peering into an NPC's menu buying her wares. I am happy to report that I have defeated them all. Probably by the skin of my teeth. And the adrenaline rush from that battle I will have say probably made the purchase worthwhile. (Even if your review just makes me think...uninstal..now...and Get Lies of P!
Your logic about the bodies floating and us not is illogical. The Umbral world can percieve the word of Axiom, that does not mean that it is the same the other way around eg. We need the lamp to perceive and interact with it. When we are in Umbral we are percieving those bodies yes, but they are still in the world of Axiom, thus they stay afloat. Us shining the lantern on the body doesnt make them interact with Umbral, you need to hold the Lamp for that to take place. A lot of your complaints are really just pure subjective opinion; Not actual review objective criteria. I don't think that makes for a compelling review. Best of luck in the future. eg. You complained about the "limited" vetiges.... no, you can buy infinite amounts of those, from the beginning, you can farm them EASILY. It's barely an inconvenience. If you are going to make a complaint, at least make it a rational one. Yea?
Expressing your opinion is great but advising people not to play is just plain stupid. I for one agree with most of your gripes but still think it’s an enjoyable blast and glad I bought it - and will get better with updates.
This is OBSCURE as all hell, but has anyone ever heard of the knights of the holographic light and the super naturals, 80's action figures, there world and there style of bad guys and the holograms resemble umbral so much, but super obscure reference
"you have to fight the dogs" wut? I completely ignored the dogs. Just keep rolling while focusing down the main boss and the stupid dogs literally can't hit you. One of the easiest bosses in the game. Can't fault the game for a skill issue on your side.
Also you seem to be completely misunderstanding the health regain mechanic. The health regain has no time limit. If you handle it as aggressively as LoP of BB then yeah of cours you'll just take damage again. Here you could essentially run around for eternity with your grey health bar and carefully pick your attacks and you will get everything back. You saying that it's useless because you "will" take damage again, that's a skill issue. The regain system is much better than LoP or BB. But yeah if you start frantically mashing the attack like in BB then yeah you will take damage again.
I specifically said the boss wasn't hard, just frustrating. And you can't just keep rolling because three enemies, with unbalanced, overlapping attacks means eventually you will get hit, and I guarantee you did too when fighting. The three enemies together are not balanced well so ignoring the dogs means you're hoping to be lucky, and finish the woman before the two dogs end up hitting you and stun locking you so you get hit by an arrow etc.
Congrats, you found a way to exploit the bad boss design. Just because it's possible to exploit or cheese a boss doesn't mean the boss design is good. Bed of Chaos is easy if you cheese it. It's still a shit boss.
@@sheltongolden4394 since when is dodging attacks by rolling a cheese tactic? Nowhere is it written you have to kill the dogs. I just see the dogs as projectiles circling the boss. Also I never said it's a good boss, just pointing out a skill issue.
…. Did this man really just say this combat was more floaty than DS2??? Helllll no man hell no. Yes, the main issue is the performance. They 100% need to fix that. And did you finish the game?? Cause recovering your wither health when you have an upgraded weapon you get your full health back in 2 hits man. Early game it’ll take 4-5 hits for sure if you have a shit weapon but as soon as you upgrade your weapon you are solid. Man I have had a 90% withered health bar and hit 3 times and got back to full. This game is nowhere as bad as you are saying it is. This is the Lies of P fans dogging LotF way more than needed. And crazy LotF fans are doing the same to Lies of P… like they are both great games what the hell. I do agree Lies of P is more polished for sure but man cmon. Lies of P wasn’t using Unreal Engine 5 either. Guarantee it wouldve been just as buggy if they did. Not excusing the state of LotF cause they shouldve delayed this game but still.
If the game has issues because its in unreal engine 5... then maybe it shouldn't have been made in unreal engine 5... And yeah to me the combat is worse and more floaty then ds2. And yeah later it does take less hits to regain health... which is counter intuitive to a regain system. So the regain system was built only to work properly and be useful at the END of a playthrough? When you're already stronger? Where's the logic there?
@@ChaosSoulYT uhhh people need to move to Unreal Engine 5… It is already the next thing that eveyone is going to move to. So yes they should have made it in UE5. Like I said in my previous comment, they should’ve delayed the game cause of this. DS2 is way more floaty not sure how much of that ganky game you have played. And certainly not END game for gaining all your health back. Literally beginning of the game when you unlock the blacksmith. Upgrade your weapon once or twice and it is doing very well at gaining your withered health back. You don’t have to be so dramatic about that hahaha! It stays handy throughout the game and is a concept done well other than getting withered while parrying. I do agree with that. What is the point of a parry if you take any wither damage… doesn’t make much sense. But otherwise it is done similarly to Bloodborne.
Oh man absolutely agree 💯💯 this game was just pretty... Annoying and honestly kinda bad, when i beat it I just... Uninstalled lol Two points tho, 1. When you were saying it was better then x Soulslike games i gotta disagree on one... Surge 2, i think surge 2 is a much more enjoyable game to play and is better designed. 2nd point, listened to your vid while working so idk if i missed it.. but a major negative for me is how god awful the character creator is in this game, the character models themselves are just ugly af to look at lol
@@ChaosSoulYT I recommend giving it a try. I hated surge 1, Surge 2 isn't anywhere as good as Nioh 1&2 or Lies of P in terms of non Fromsoftware souls likes but I do think it's superior to most of the non Fromsoft attempts at this genre. It's character creator is better then LOTF (tho still could be much better), gameplay feels more polished and focused, better enemies and Bosses and builds ect. I will say tho that surge 2 is worse then surge 1 in level design IMHO 😂. I think it's worth trying out, more content for your channel if anything
I don't know why people like you try to mention ds2 as if it had a really bad combat when for me it was waaay better than ds1. Of course its up to opinion but I don't know why its such a shared sentiment.
The bonfires are back in NG+ with a new update. Consoles have to wait. Either way, NG+ sucks in all souls games. They should just make a boss rush bc that’s what NG+ is really and some trophy/achievement hunting.
All I hear is a bunch of crybabies saying it’s bad because they can’t sit idle in the spirit realm because it’s too hard. Duh 🙄 where do you think the dead demons go after you slice them? And the game literally tells you that more enemies and tougher enemies will come if you stay in the dead realm for too long that’s what the eyeballs 👀 mean it’s literally a wanted level like GTA. And it tells you that it’s rising so these complaints are stupid. Then the weapon sounds not sounding like other games you’ve played is also another dumb argument as well.
i hate this game with every sell in my body.. it looks stunning thanks to UE5 but goddamn that gameplay is miserable... clunky animations, poor or sometimes non existent sound design, very confusing level design and the cherry on top is the infinite number of enemies. this game was designed to annoy the fuck out of the player. And that Ui, looks like something from 2006...Also don't even get me started on that final boss... PS: i'm a huge fromsoft fan so naturally i love exploring and navigating complex levels, but this game get you lost in a very frustrating way and most shortcuts you find are useless, other paths just lead to a dead end. this game had big potential, but the guys behind it have no idea how to make a good souls game. they had a bunch of cool ideas and tried to sloppily stitch them together and they failed miserably.
The changes aren't good enough. They are still removing some vestiges in ng+ and more in ng+2 and then by ng+3 there are no regular vestiges once again. Anyone who actually understands what makes souls so good knows that removing vestiges goes against the core design principles of souls games. Removing vestiges is artificial difficulty. Not well balanced, hard but fair difficulty. The fact hexworks said they wanted to keep removing vestiges entirely from ng+3 onwards to 'keep their original vision' says it all. They like unfair, frustrating mechanics. They don't understand what makes souls games good.
All in all I think your overall assessment of the game was fair and your advice very reasonable and there are several things that you said that I agree with. However, there are many things you said that make me think that you didn't completely engage with several of the systems in this game. If you did then I am just confused about some of your opinions and statements. 1. You can purchase an unlimited number of the reagent needed to create as many temporary bonfires as you want and they are not even expensive (1200 for each I think) 2. The developers have now changed new game + so that there is a new game 0 and now each new game + level has fewer and fewer bonfires rather than none right off the bat. 3. The developers have added a delay in when a you activate an elevator so you CAN send the elevator back up. 4. When you start new game + and they took away the permanent bonfires, you still have all the shortcuts you opened. That is why there are shortcuts that feel strange. They are there for when the permanent places are gone for ease of traversal. 5. The developers have lowered the number of mobs in key areas in the basic playthrough. I agree that there were and still are too many. 6. Parry and block are not the way you described them at all in my experience. Blocking with a solid shield and armor mitigates a significant amount of damage AND the damage you do take is only wither damage. In addition, your wither recovery scales with the damage you are doing. I can recover my life dual wielding light weapons quickly and with a shield and heavy weapon even more quickly because there is less to recover in the first place. If you have the armor and shield for it, blocking is actually overpowered because you cannot die while blocking as long as your stamina holds out and your stance is not broken. So a few well timed blocks to take the brunt of a heavy hit followed by high damage strikes and you will never actually lose health. Obviously a heavy blocking style of play goes best with heavy armor and weapons or shield. If you are using light armor and weapons than blocking is an "oh sh$%#t" mechanic and you will be mostly dodging. You can also get runes and rings that increase wither recovery if that is the playstyle you are going for. 7. Did you use magic or ranged weapons at all? To me, in this game, not playing with any ranged attacks is the equivalent of playing without dodging. Ranged weapons and magic are both highly effective and, due to unlimited recoverability of ammo, not something you have to save for a rainy day. It's a great way to thin out enemies, apply nasty status effects and to recover withered health. Every playstyle is intended to have several associated ranged styles and they do a heck of a lot of damage. I do agree with you that Lies of P is a fantastic and much more polished and complete experience, but I will say however that the developer seems to be working very hard to both fix problems and respond to player feedback. So, I do admire them for that.
This is a great game, i’m honestly tired of people comparing it to Lies of P. It’s more ambitious than the latter, and the world is far more immersive. I truly blame the dark souls fans that started playing last year with Elden Ring’s release.
My problem with the temporary vestiges is that if you go through an area and complete it and carry on, if you need to go back to get something, you have to start at the very beginning of the area and run through all the enemies. So I found it was best to go through each area and 100% complete it on my first visit to prevent having to trek back for something where it ends up being a pain in the ass since you have to run all the way though some big and tough areas.
I think many of the complaints you've made are warranted, but i think the reasonings for those things (mainly attributing it to the developers mindset) is honestly very very cynical, with no room for any "devils advocacy", considering none of us are devs for the game.
I think the issues that plague the game boil down to a pitentially rushed release date, as well as very little QA testing, if any. I remember when Lies of P had a demo out, all my Souls friends HATED it, and it got better. LotF didnt have that, to my knowledge, and the reason for that is probably because of the rushed release for one reason or the other.
The other point I have to make in defense of the game is about the cheesy narrative. As a longtime Souls vet myself, a 360 Dark Souls release day vet, i can absolutely tell you that Souls games all have cheesy storytelling. Everything revolves around that kinda cheesy, fantasy telling. Its not the best story, and everyone gives it a pass because you learn about it through item descriptions, NPC dialogue, or VaatiVidya LOL.
There are many things LotF does correctly imo. Like you said, the visuals are stunning, but we can't pick and choose which Souls game were going to compare the game to. In terms of DS1, the world interconnectivity is underwhelming, but in terms of DS3 its much, much better than its linearity. We have to keep in mind that the Souls community constantly bickers as to which Souls game is the best one, so we cant just sumerize all the games and parts into its best theoretical version to compare to a rebooted IP, thats just dishonest.
I honestly think, after the game reaches a stable place for consoles/PC, you should review this game again. There has been no mention of the daily (sometimes twice a day) patches slung towards the PC edition, with the console patch out now. Theres no mention of the developers acknoledging their mistakes. Theres no mention of things developers stated are coming to the game that might impact how you feel about enemies, vestiges, and NG+ (even though you havent played it yet). Nothing. Its a tremendously rare thing for a developing team to put out 3 patches in the launch week, let alone 7+ patches in the first week alone. I understand where the points come from, and why it wasnt mentioned, but in the same breath you cant say they DONT care or DONT get it because they have specifically targeted what players want most and are patching in these features daily. Can we at least get props for devs working on getting the issues ironed out as efficiently as possible for once?
I will give the devs no props at all for the speed of updates, because they specifically hid the games technical issues until after launch. I was offered a review code of this game, but then when I requested one for xbox, they refused to give it to me. All reviewers only were allowed pc versions of the game because they knew about the horrendous console performances but shadily kept it a secret until after launch.
For me that stuff makes me lose all respect for the developers.
@ChaosSoulYT oh, I know you never got your Xbox code. You said it in the same video in which you stated you'd do your best to make sure that fact wouldn't provide a bias towards the review.
Was that shady? Yes. That action was inherently shady. But why does their previous action colour the multitude of positive actions they are making now? Are they not allowed to push out all these patches in order to fix the game? Do you see any other developer doing this? Take Insomniac Games, wherein they released Spider-man 2 recently and have yet to patch out the Cuban Flag instead of the Puerto Rican flag for Miles Morales. That one single thing they haven't patched yet, despite the comparatively easy feat, which is plain lazy. If there's anything you CAN'T say about Hexworks and CI Games, it's that they didn't realize the massive mistakes they made at launch and that they didn't push out 20+ patches thus far.
Okay that is true, I did say I wouldn't allow it to make me biased. Its difficult though. For me they are just doing what should have already been done, but yes it is good that they are releasing so many updates. They shouldn't have had too though.
@ChaosSoulYT That's something everyone can agree on: it shouldn't have to be done, it should have been optimized from the very beginning, and it should have had its issues ironed out before release. It should have already done, and if they were truly a shit company/team of devs, they would have run off with the money and have done the bare necessities to make the game run how it should.
I'm only trying to point out that, yes, this is true, but they're doing much more than even I, someone who pre-ordered LotF and NOT LoP (I don't like bloodborne as much, sue me) would have expected. They're even going as far as to have console cross play included in the latest patch, something that wasn't even included in the general gameplan for them, as well as reworking NG+ and even adding modifiers and randomizers natively, something us console peasants couldn't get that PC players could. It's clear to me that the dev team, while patching and fixing optimization, is also including community suggestions and requests, something I would have never expected from any studio.
That's all I wanted to bring forth. Again, many of your points I agree with, solid video. I just hope that you give it another honest go once things have been fixed and do a follow up after the disaster that was Launch, I'm sure it won't just be a fluid experience at that point, but potentially a much more positive experience considering the features they're adding/tweaking
@@ChaosSoulYTI could be wrong, but it sounds like you should be blaming the publishers instead of the developers. Game devs don't have control over release dates, and they're working extremely hard to finish the game after their bosses had them rush it out the door before they had time to iron out the kinks
Idk man. This game. It’s like it’s so close. Almost a great game. I enjoyed it but also was frustrated with a lot of things.
I won't be playing until they fix the lock on(if they do). I'm so sick of dying because I lock onto an enemy in the distance instead of the one I'm aiming at.
@@Barney_rubble983Dude, it was so bad when I played last night. I had two instances where I couldn’t lock on to the only enemy in an empty room.
@@TyronTention yeah I've had that happen as well. I can't believe that's not the number 1 priority. It was so bad I thought my controller was broken.
My biggest issue with this, it's that you realize how bad is to control the direction of your swings in this game. In fromsoft games, the lock-on has some noticeable issues, but when you're surrounded or fighting giant things, you simply turn off the lock-on and manually control the direction of your next attack, hitting your enemies without trouble. Here, you try the same, and the forward momentum makes you miss your attacks half the time, so manual aiming isn't a reliable option and it the lock-on doesn't target the foe your need to hit, you're going to have a bad time, even more with the absurd amount of enemies that will attack you at the same time.
Newest patch; Gave players the option to keep vestiges on their NG+ runs :)
no, it didn't - reread the notes
You did not read the notes, it listed things they were planning on changing, not things they were changing in the patch.
Don’t expect anything like that until the performance is stable.
If you allow the game to be LoTF, and don't compare it to All-Time masterpieces, it's incredible. The vision, the style, the artwork, the speed and the variety. Hell even the lore! It's all there.
Just go play lies of P. Looks better and plays better with less jank. Also after 70 hours I’ve had 0 lag
Disagree even on it's own it doesn't stand that well. Having to slog through the same few enemy types in every level, getting to a boss which you kill in 1-5 trys and then go back to the same old enemies in a new location is just not that fun.
@@tefinhosThat’s literally the same shit in LoP 😒😒😒 how many times do you have to kill the butler and prototype puppets both games don’t have a crazy variety it just feels like it’s more because LOP is more linear focused. That games boss telegraphs are terrible and atp it’s just biased to say that it’s better because they’re roughly the same game when you don’t compare them with FS games. They’re both great but to say Lies is better is complete nonsense because it’s not doing anything we haven’t seen already in blood borne or dark souls
@@kusansimpson2514 Nah man LoP does the levels pretty well. Of course they repeat enemies but it has more variety and just overall less enemies. The linearity also helps in creating shortcuts which actually make sense.
LIke in LoP you will take 40 minutes to clear a level then get to a difficult boss which you will also need around 40 minutes to beat.
In LoTF you will take 90 minutes to clear a level, then get to a boss which you need 5 to 10 minutes to beat. The bosses are such a let down even if they are visually very good.
Defeating a boss is the best feeling in souls-likes and if you leave people feeling "That's it?" after a boss you have failed in being a souls-like in my eyes. The final boss is also an insult, you can choose between a worse version of deacons of the deep, a recolor of an early boss or no boss fight at all.
@@kusansimpson2514lies of p introduces unique enemies all the way up until the end
Cant argue with alot of your points. Especially when it comes to the mechanics and performance. I loved my first but the second just seemed miserable. Word on the street is they have a patch out adding vestiges back.
the game is good, I love it.
You do a good job of structuring your points. It really is a shame that they didn't put more time into cleaning up the details and making sure the game had polish. It has some potential under the veneer of mechanical problems.
But it's kind of fortunate ironically that many of his points, respectively, either aren't valid at all, or aren't valid anymore. NG+ vestiges are changed, you can have all of them still. You can now send back Elevators. The agro range of enemies is now comparatively smaller and they won't chase you all across the map anymore. The density of the enemies has been reduced in certain areas. There has been almost always an optional temporary vestige spot available right before any boss fight, so the run back is essentially optional, it is player choice. About the damage enemies do, there's a fact you also not only have double the life, and more than that, a very strong comeback mechanic; the first time you die doesn't even count because when you enter the umbral upon dying, you can regain almost full health by a single Lond Sword charged attack without using any healing potions. Even in his gameplay right here at 21:45 he regained 50% of his lost health by doing 4 basic light attacks and at the same time he is complaining how many hits it takes to recover, I just don't understand it. Not to mention there are sufficient spots where you can transition to the real world again, so you get back your comeback mechanic again.
In my opinion the biggest issues with this game right now are lock on system, certain boss fight encounters, performance issues and lack of enemy variety.
As a Huge soulslike fan i see this game as a W. Despite some issues & performance woes i absolutely loved my first playthrough(40 hrs) & cant wait to dive back in with a new build. Ive been saying this alot but i feel like this game is a fix of DS1-3. DS1 brilliant interconnected world design, DS2 clunky but fun combat with challenging enemy density & DS3 graphical fidelity .. & i absolutely love that. 🔥
in ds1 the world was interconnected for a reason, because u couldnt fast travel, so when u needed to buy some titanite or whatever in one end of the map u could take a few shortcuts and get there in a reasonable time. in lotf2 u unlock shortcuts to areas that u will never need or want to visit again just so the reviews can mention that its an interconnected world. its not the same
@@reclusiam understandable but In LoTF you don't have to fast travel to get anywhere either. Pretty much every place you go to can be reached without using vestiges to fast travel. Same as DS1 before you get the option to fast travel.. I disagree that places open up to nowhere because there are tons of secrets in the umbra realm to find in almost every region of the game. I found myself constantly going back to areas via shortcuts because I missed an important item or upgrade.. if its not the same then at least there similiar enough
as a souls vet most of the things ppl complain about I am going to be the bad guy and actually mean this when I say it git gud. I recently played ds 2 over with my brother so he could get to it and that game feels just as floaty and shitty as it did on release not even close to the same feeling. the bonfire spacing in this game is way better than ds 3 with its like 50 damn bonfires per stage. magic is better ammo and ranged weapons are better, seemless co op the entire game, most points people bring up are super hypocritical..." the dogs are annoying" ds 1 capra demon fight I am sure the dogs felt just great for first timers. "The enemies hit hard." did you all forget vigor check was an eldenring meme for a reason and that was before the patch with the defense nerfs.. we have a ton of content the devs are always patching and caring about the game with nerfs buffs fixes ect. how long did eldenring go with the moonveil rivers of blood cheese meta before it was even talked about by the devs? the mimics can actually get vet players unlike in souls because once you find them you never fall for them again. this game has so much stuff in it yall are crazy.
What I noticed about shortcuts is they seem to be a mixed between beneficial now and only beneficial in NG+
if they even stay open that is (they didn't)
@@xardes222 I'm talking about when you are playing through your NG+ run not it carrying over from NG
Well my point about mobs is a lot of people aren’t using their tools and jumping into a pool of 8 mobs, ranged weapons and magic is a needed tool.
But you also have a lot of mobs that don’t even spawn until you engage another enemy and the aggro ranges are so insane that they break immersion. Players could probably make more use of their tools, but the game pulls some ridiculous bs all the way through.
I completely understand people's criticisms of it, but I personally LOVE this game. Completely nails all aspects of what I love about Souls games - excellent world with interconnectivity, interesting lore and storytelling, lots of build options. Dark Souls 3 was my first Souls game and it's giving me the same vibes.
I absolutely loved it but I can perfectly understand why people don't, what for me was a not so meaningfull flaw for others is absolutely deal breaking.
What I feel bad and it seems to be the same case with this review too is how they only focus in what it does differently from fromsoft and does not do well but not really pay attention to how they fix things fromsoft really struggles with. The magic system is mentioned usually but so many other things like huge bosses not being a pain in the ass and actually knowing how to make dual bosses fun, something that fromsoftware seeminly forgot after making dark souls 1.
I truly believe that this game would be much better recieved if it did have a decent enemy placement because everything suffers because of this flaws.
It's great, been having a blast. Very underrated. It's getting a major patch today too that addresses a lot of complaints.
I love lords of the fallen. My friends and I absolutely love it. We can't understand all the negative put on it. I also can't understand why people are saying there are too many enemies. I don't see how there is more than any dark souls game or elden ring?? I thought this game was easy, too much so if anything. The seedlings are awesome. Seedlings are infinite and cheap. I wish they costed more if anything. They made it a bit too easy to have a checkpoint. Such a great game though.
The key word for this game is "annoying." How the enemies are laid out, the amount and feel of their attacks... annoying as hell. I think Mortal Shell felt WAY better.
Souslikes titles just don’t get it for the most part I feel. They know what they want to do but they don’t do it properly
I was enjoying it but got to this exact fork in the road with the battle left and the bridge bloke the other way. I been playing d4 s2 and sunno if I actually like lotf again now. The thought of fighting 6 different (X10) enemies is kinds off putting, the best part of from is the massive amount of varied enemies.
My biggest issue with this game is the targeting system. So clicky and sensitive.
Like even with a subtle touch of the right joystick on my controller and it instantly snaps onto the weaker enemies a mile away when I’m trying to focus on the big Rogar fire skeleton knight guy or the dual wielding axe guy or that holy shield guy.
The targeting system really does feel like it works against you at times because of its sensitivity.
@@googleplaynow9608bro stfu. 😂 I do but when stuff gets tense you often have to keep your thumb on that joystick in case you get jumped from behind.
I do this with every souls like and this is only one where that can be a major problem and all they gotta do is lower the sensitivity.
It locks on lighting even though you barely moved the damn thing. You either didn’t play the game or are just a D-rider
@@frankgrimes7388In that case, tap the stick to adjust to the correct target. I agree though, targeting could use improvement... but I've never played a souls or soulslike with good targeting tbh, including lop. It's like a genre requirement I guess.
This game has many issues, mainly being the enemy density and aggressiveness resulting in the character being "boxed" and the annoying platforming which is usually just hateful in soulslikes.
But for your other points, I feel like you just wanted another Elden Ring or Lies of P, without putting the time or mental effort to understand the unique challenges and goals of LotF.
Even more so than Elden Ring, this game is about builds and unlucking that build. With item combinations (talisman, rings and eyes) you can become overpowered, virtually unkillable. And there's great satisfaction in that.
The placeable bonfires furthermore make the exploration and progression trivial. With 5 at your disposal to be used in between main bonfires, with some exceptions (wtf were they thinking with the archer + dogs boss fight), you can progress with minimal backtracking and the drop rate of seeds is generously high, you never lack them.
I honestly quite enjoy the NG+ added challenge, which, in design, was supposed to be the base game mode.
But luckily was not, as navigating the map for the first time, it's vital to be able to teleport around freely. But once you know wherevto go, adds an element of commitment to an area, before moving away from it. Feels more organic and like an actual journey.
Still, while not even close in polish to Elden Ring, I believe LotF 2023 to be a gem in the rough
could you do a lies of p and lords of the fallen boss ranking?
Already planning on it 😀
@@ChaosSoulYTLords of the Fallen bosses are soooo mid. The final boss lol.
@@Budd631deacons of the deep 2.0 for the final encounter is baffling. Then you’re rewarded with a text ending😂
Enemy placement in short in this game:
"How many fire breathing dogs should we put behind crates?"
"Yes."
To be fair i think its a great game! Yes, it has performance issues but most games being realised now does. Even Elden Ring had bad performance issues the first couple months on pc. Taking out the vestiges in NG+ might not have been a popular idea but doesnt neccessarily mean its bad. Demon Souls didnt have bonfires at all! Dark Souls was nicely woven as far as going area to area. But the game was a much smaller scale. Think they did a great job in this game. Not perfect by any means but it works. Im not at the end of the game but i dont get the complaint of enemy density. You have a dodge to kite enemies. Also have really nicely implimented ranged attacks to take them out. That being said they need to fix the lock on. When it works its great. When it works! Snipers shooting you all the way across a map is rediculous. If we obtain that crossbow/bow/spell and cant achieve that range then enimies shouldnt be able to do it. So i dont believe LOtF is perfect by any means, but everyone riding Fromsofts coat tails is just getting annoying. I love them as a studio. Obviously passionate about their games. Especially the souls series! But at the same time none of their games are perfect. They implimented mechanics in their games and then pulled them by the next title. Some people believe it was because it was a bad mechanic for some and id argue they made it easier for the common gamer. I just like how Hexworks made this their passion project. And how theyre fixing what needs fixed. Taking feedback from people and implimenting those changes the community wants. Or coming to a middle ground. Like theyre having it to where you can have the vestiges now in NG+ if you want. Or take them out with a modifier. Adding a hardcore mode. Among alot of other things. Really wanting a strong co op and pvp gameplay experience. Which for the most part pvp was at the backburners for Fromsoftware. With limited co op play. Not to meantion spells were annoying to cycle through. Even in Elden Ring. Feels more fluid in the LOtF. Combat not being perfect feels faster paced but smooth and fun. I dont think it feels cluncky. Not saying everyone will agree but this combat isnt bad. Rolls feel nice unless your over burdened. The attacks feel great. I mean you will still have to go through your full animations if you do combos and stuff.
lotf2 is by far the most annoying game i have played in a long time. the wither health system is pure garbage when at every moment there is a couple zombies spawning in quietly behind u and knocking all that withered health off. just everything in this game seems to be made to annoy the living hell out of the player, its like a cheap version of ds2sotfs. i eventually completed it for some reason and it just never stops being annoying and unfair. its the most unpleasant soulslike experience since code vein.
Wholeheartedly agree with bring vestiges back for ng+. Also you can dodge roll over the switch to send elevators back up
My problem with the game is just the lack of enemy types in the game I mean 5 hours in I have been fighting the same mobs over and over. And it runs like garbage on a capable rig. Not a great experience so far for me but I am past the 2-hour mark for getting my money back, so I should have watched more videos on the game, I feel I won't even play this game. Cannot agree it is better than the Surge 2..the combat in that game is spot on ..this game it just feels weird and just way too many ranged attackers I find myself just running through mobs..horrible game design in LOTF.
Ikr, enemy diversity is the thing where game stands or falls, this one sadly falls, hoodied sorcerer, two axe guy, skeleton fire knight from start to finish what a disaster
im so close to buying the game but man i know im gonna be annoyed by the issues said.
I feel your pain good Sir. I’ve never been so frustrated with leveling up. It doesn’t seem to do much. Like the enemies scale with you.
No way, what level are you and how far did you get? In no way do enemies scale with you. At level 100 almost every enemy was a 2 shot, flying moth things and black reapers are 3 shot and I have beaten the last 8 bosses on the first attempt including the Light Reaper.
@@NME10EThese people are not even playing the game they are just trying to justify not playing it because they heard asmongold complaining and now think it’s bad because paid reviews and UA-camrs are shitting on the game like it’s horrible even though it’s not
@@kusansimpson2514 i played the whole game, there were many aspects i find good but lack of enemy varaity is not one of them
While the bosses have been laughably easy, if OP did not play with any form of magic in their build they are 100% justified for feeling like levels dont do anything. I played a quality build and at level 100 I hit no harder than i did at level 40. Basic mobs take 3-4 hits minimum with my colossal boss sword, where the boss turned mob enemies take less damage than they did when they were bosses. Meanwhile my non-upgradeable throwing ax is hitting mobs for 5x the damage of my sword. This game has issues, just because you cant see them through rose tinted glasses doesn't mean they don't exist. @@NME10E
it's mid compared to top-tier souls games... it's still a good game and I definitely got my money's worth... but after beating Adyr and getting the radiant ending I was relieved for it to be over. It's just a kind of clunky experience combat wise not to mention awful performance in my 7900 XT and my 4070ti (crashes galore on both)... it's kind of like DS2 after a while, just a lot of work and tons of spam enemies without any dynamic combat@@kusansimpson2514
Thymesia was more enjoyable than this
Its a step in the right direction and they are constantly improving and getting the feedback. If people dont realize how far they have come since the 2014 version and this one. They will get it right and looking at the updates. Im already happy as can be with the improvements they are making with this current version. And will get better when they do another Lords of the fallen. I do have my grips with it but it seems that they are looking into and improving what I dont like about the game from the feedbacks.
(sorry for pro eng skills)
Tbh i can agree with to few "bonfire starters" and that they cant stay forever, but rest of that video is just you complaining that its not like dark souls
BRUH its diffrent game from diffrent game dev studio
This game is awesome at its dinamic and noonstop combat, the exploration is fascinating and dangerous, you can die everywhere if u rushing like idiot tho.
bosses like in dark souls, just learn the pattern and ez, just be patient
for allmost everything you say, as a DS veteran i can say only one thing
GIT GUT
I don't need to git gud. I'm perfectly fine at the game.
It's interesting to hear so many people who don't like it, I think the game combat and moment feels great. And I really like the game. Enemies are also fun to fight, they don't have weird awkward movesets to catch you.
I bought both Lies Of P and Lords Of The Fallen around the same time. While I enjoyed Lies very much I absolutely loved Lords so much more. I agree with a lot of your criticisms but overall I just had more fun exploring the world of Lords and experimenting with different builds. I found Lies to be far too linear with not nearly enough enemy or environmental variety.
Of all souls games this was by far the most frustrating. They tried way too hard to kill you with enemy quantity over quality.
To be fair, rolling boulders and swinging axes don't really feel like authentic ways of fending off intruders either. You need tons of suspension of disbelief playing Fromsoft games, too. Not that Umbral is a particularly well thought out world, but my first encounter with Sen's fortress was just as eyerolling.
I said with rare exceptions, and sens fortress was the exception I was thinking of 🤣
About your comment on Soulsborne influences, there are quite a comprehensive list including mimic-like creatures and that the boss Dervla is basically gender bent Artorias to name a few
@@renmcmanus indeed, but the fact remains that they are still utilized synonymously in both these titles.
@renmcmanus not about argue semantics with some rando on UA-cam. My point was that LotF draws clear inspirations from the Fromsoft games in both enemy design and lore beats among many other things. If you can't admit to that objective fact, i don't know what to tell ya.
Yeah, the regain system is damage based, so it favors big weapons, strong range, and good spells; anything that does a lot of damage per attack/swing.
finally , one of the best LoTF video review on youtube.
I believe this game was built around caster or buff type builds only unless we use a buff the damage to bosses will always be underwhelming
I get where you are coming from in some of your points but disagree with most of you said, the combat in particular feels great in my opinion and this is from someone that has played lies of P, Sekiro, Elden ring, Jedi fallen order, Bloodborne... etc. The only complaint that I have in that respect is that the fist weapons feel clunky to use but the movement, parrying, dodging, jumping, all feel great and I dare say that in some respects the combat feels better and more rewarding than in Lies of P.
There is no reason for you to slide forward to your death everytime you attack with any weapon. And the game likes spamming hazards, ambushes, etc. Everything in this game is either enemies' weak-ass frail pushes pushing a 200kg, fully-armoured player 6 feet across the floor, or the player manually falling to their death.
If we're talking about the "speed", for sure it feels nice. But the actual application itself DOES NOT feel good. The reliance on slide/push mechanics to punish the player for actually choosing to actively fight skirmishes in platforming levels is just questionable at best.
I agree with basically everything you said. I hated playing this game. Besides the overbloated damage what really solidified my disdain for this game was the movement. Open up Lies of P, Dark Souls 3, and Elden Ring and dodge in every direction then attack in any direction. Characters in Lords of The Fallen THROW themselves. They don't dodge or attack, they lunge and moon leap.
Then there was the writing...I'm an artist and a storyteller in RL and have been for a long time. The narrative of this game was piss poor, especially the dialogue. The setting was basic, decent, functional, but whenever the characters talk I felt insulted. Written dialogue, cadence, functionality, dialect, context, subtext; all failures. Watch the opening of FFXIV: Endwalker and listen to how each character talks, then listen to the opening of this gutter-trash.
Credit to the art department, you guys excelled; my only complaint is thematic cohesion and thematic components being only Flesh and Templars when you boil it down, but you did a great job with those two main components. Great job.
Yikes. This review started out pretty measured, and by the end it's absolutely SAVAGE.
I haven't played it yet, but i already bought it, so I guess I'll give it a shot anyway.
you can send elevators back up though I literally did it all game. touch the button and roll off before the door closes. There are numerous lifts in ds3 with closing doors. Same thing. Performance has been fine for me on pc as well. I have a rtx3080. It runs fine on high settings. I keep it on medium though because it looks better imo. less clutter. They have also fixed the NG+ bonfire issue.
The thing that upsets me about some peoples critique is shit like bosses being normal enemies. Everyone jerks of Elden ring about it but its suddenly bad if LOTF does it. I was fine with it in both games. It's a non issue. We could do fore more variety there are too many zombie like enemies. But the placement of the boss enemies as normal enemies is really good. I like the ambushes. I like the mimics.
Actually yes. The mimics are my favorite part about the game. The tell is easy to identify but grabbing an item in the heat of battle is risky. Its the players fault 100% for just being grab happy. I see so many people bitch about mimics when they wont take 2 seconds to glance at the item in an obvious spot. All I can say is, if you bitch about mimics its 1000% a git gud moment. Most of people complaining when it comes to combat or enemy density is a git gud moment.
The devs already addressed enemy density due to complaints. Its fine now. Stop running past all the enemies then giving a surprise pikachu when they follow you and you get surrounded.
The only 2 actual issues with the game are 1 weapon move sets. We need more. its sad to pcik up a new weapon and its just a reskin. The movesets are good as is, But we need more
and 2 PvP is unplayable invasions are somehow worse than DS1. Co-op works great. I played the game solo and played it again the whole way through on a new character co-op and it worked just fine. I only had 2 or 3 instances of a de sync issue. that was fixed by re summoning my brother.
Already have 60 hours in this game, easily worth €60 in my opinion, Lies of P cost the same as well. Both are great games in their own way and I have fun in both, it's great times for a gamer right now. Lies of P definitely a bit more polished and enemies a bit better designed but both different artstyles and LOTF art is also really beautiful. The game just need a bit more threatening big knights and other scary stuff. Performance for me have been pretty good overall, sitting on a 2080 Super, medium and high on settings with DLSS on quality and sharpness at 0,41. It looks insane for me, don't even need high/ultra on everything.
What really pissed me off is when the game baited you to put a vestige seed down and then you’d turn a corner and run into a permanent vestige. Happened quite a few times
Another example of the game being frustrating deliberately
@@ChaosSoulYTIt's not deliberately frustrating, it's for ng+ when that vestige wouldn't be there. Plus you get lots of seed drops and can buy as many as you want from the hub.
@@mayhem5235That is horrible design they were better off placing more key locations for bonfires like literally every other souls game. The removing vestiges is such a artificial way to make NG+ different just for the sake of it.
Good game, could be great with a little extra polish and work
There's a game changing patch coming tomorrow. They've been patchig it every day, it will get better. I think it's already pretty damn good.
I completely disagree on the combat, it feels weighty and visceral and I always feel in control. There is a lot of variety too.
This is such a massive disappointment for me. I was a fan of the original even while seeing its many flaws - I always thought it had some good stuff to offer, just executed poorly. So I was really excited at the idea of a remake. I can't believe that they got so many years later, put so much time and money into this game, and completely failed to learn so many of the lessons that the first game should've taught them.
Different company made this game.
@@jengaaaaa Does that somehow mean that they're incapable of understanding what didn't work about the first one?
You can send elevators back "up" by using the "switch", NOT the floor trigger button. I was in the same camp as you but watched someone else do it.
I tried this already and it didn't work
I pressed it and the lever just didn't work. It wouldn't go back up or do anything. So I didn't fail to do anything.
@@ChaosSoulYT Hey no sweat. I use capitals for emphasis, not to scream. I, like many enjoy your constructive criticism. You got a knack for it!
I completely disagree w you on From Soft. They do not always have fair boss fights. They have a rng system where sometimes certain bosses are literally impossible to beat if they string together certain attacks that round.
I loved this game. Couldn´t finish it though becuause from on point onwards it kept crashing on my PS5. Was the only game doing this so it definitely wasn´t a hardware issue and it first occured after a certain patch. Didn´t get resolved for about two weeks and after several patches I stopped playing. Might start it again on my PS5 Pro but I am somehow afraid the same problem will occur again ^^
I agree with you on a few points, specifically the damage that enemies dish out. An easy boss, I'd think, spurned progeny can one shot my character with his fist which is ambiguous in how to dodge correctly.. I died over and over to this boss and the hushed saint because of their one shot kills, not because they are difficult. If you are going to make enemies do so much damage don't give the player a heal item which doesn't even heal them up to full, because they are useless. I was one of the first people to finish elden ring so I have gotten good, the enemies in this game just get cheap one shot kills or gank the player with tremendous swarm damage that raising your hp or putting on the heaviest armor won't change.
@@googleplaynow9608 I had 30 vitality.
It is an OK game. It got a lot of performance issues, and most of the bosses are just regular enemies, leaving just a few true bosses
Aside from the technical issues I love the game it’s like a dark souls 4 without the fromsoft polish
Ive seen funny reviewers giving this game 9 or 10 and tell his viewers to ignore the haters...BUT...when people comment with the glitches and bad trash mob designs etc...he acknowledges that its bad but future patches should hopefully address it...makes no bloody sense when theres legit reasons why its not an amazing...
What are you talking about? They're changing it with the next patch that comes out on like Thursday that they're going to give you the option of playing it with bonfires or without
Heaven forbid this guy write a review on the game he played and not the one that the devs swear is coming.
You're waaay too wound up about someone reviewing the game the devs released, and that he played.
I had absolutely zero problems with the bow and arrow boss with the dogs. I ignored the dogs and overpowered her with running heavy attacks. Done. Simple.
Neither did I, but I was looking at it from a mechanical level
you know the game is not good when a bunch of patch releases every few days
classic release now, fix later
You mean the devs have patched and addressed/changed a ton of complaints raised by the community faster than any company I’ve seen as of late.
The game is a ton of fun.
Well, Elden Ring turned out pretty good after the shitstorm it got because of "unacceptable" performance issues. I played it on PS5 and it worked quite similarly than LotF when it got released (not perfect, but works mostly), but on PC it really struggled and they had to heavily patch it.
Ofc games should be released when they are ready, but release date optimization isn´t the greatest thing From Software is known for either.
Damn! you really didn't like this game. I think it is the best souls like i have played not made by from software. I have not played Lies of P though.
For example the dog boss fight i loved it made me have to split my attention. The boss is super easy what makes it challenging is the dogs. That reminded me of the classic dark souls boss with 2 dogs. (cant remember the name of the boss) Only this time yore not super dead dead if you don't kill the dogs instantly.
I also liked the 2 dimension part where you are super stressed because it keeps spawning in more and harder enemies as time goes on. The temporary bonfire system is great but too easy to abuse, because you can buy infinite of them from a early vendor for cheap. In my opinion it's the most refreshing souls like in a long time. It actually has new things with the 2 world concept.
Sorry for bad English it is not my native language. And i really thank you for this review. It made me understand more why people don't like it as i do.
Feels like your character is on ice and sliding around especially the momentum when you try and stop while doing the platforming on the perch area. Kicking is your best friend there. But also as far as characters go drustan is abo6as good as you can get lol. Lampy...those baddies better watch out lol
Shortcuts are for ng+ they don’t make sense until you play it.
I swear they just must've sent me the inner circle secret copy of the game because I get an almost constant 70 - 100fps
First I was like f this this is too much n doesn't work. Then I was like damn wow I might play whole day tomorrow. That was today.. Them I ended up beating that big monster boss u drop to . After that the Umbrial fkn nightmare soup before the horse boss completely killed my vibe. Never have I ever went from 9 to 1 in one level. 😢 N ppl have the balls to hate in this level u playing at the beginning of the video. " Because u drop" yeah so does the enemy! Absolutely loved it. All I can do is pray that fkn mess where everything look/ feel the same so u and up not giving a f m Just run n hope u end up in the right place. There was no logic all of a sudden where to go . A mess . How ban they manage to f it up like that . I was so happy yesterday. Bosses are what they are I feel like u need little luck n not really a strategy u just kind a go n hit n escape again. I really like the light thing tho . Makes u feel all magical
I haven't played the game, so maybe its unfair to judge it in poor youtube resolution, but I don't quite get the praise this game is getting in terms of visuals. Its a busy mush of objects and particle effects. The closest thing I can think of is DMC5, which had terrible visual aesthetics like you were in a mushy demon intestine the entire game, so overly detailed that it makes my head hurt. Thats what this looks like to me. Liurnia, for example, is way easier on the eyes because FROM dont feel the need to overcompensate for visuals by placing as many objects as possible on the screen. It's also quite beautiful too.
If you run it on a quality pc it’s got sum of the best graphics.
I agree with everything you've said, I just couldnt chew that game, and that bowman with dogs, you just run around and do one 2 attacks when he is charging bow, the game is so dull and boring, combat takes ages, parry is useless its not worth it, just roll hit but that freaking animation is so slow , everyhing feels boring and iam not feeling that my character is like there if you know what i mean.. and all combat with bosses are just, they can be easily ignored ,all of the attacks just going to the left and you easily break them after 1, 2 tries ,you see how bad they are designed
You do realise that on each NG+ you have fewer and fewer vestiges and you reaaaaaaally need those shortcuts....
I’ve enjoyed it but the soulsbourne games ruined me.
Miyazaki has changed video games for everyone 😂😂
I like it, but agree. The enemy, and gotcha bullshit is over used to death. This is typical, "look how much harder our gaame is than DS". They failed. They created a gsme after the first time through a slog encounter, people just wana run through it the next time.
NG+ is getting a lot of attention in upcoming patches, you will have customizable ng+ options. There's a patch releasing tomorrow that allows you to replay the game with all bonfires still there. It also modifies mob density and behavior, and some other things. Surprised you put out a review video two days before the first major game changing patch without mentioning any of it.
Surprised you put out a comment without realising the video was released before they announced the patch
@@ChaosSoulYTSkill issue
You're right about everything you say I think. I am probably only about a quarter through (I haven't freed the blacksmith or gotten the ability to get boss weapons yet) but I've played for many many hours already. You are expressing some pretty reasonable criticisms.
I wanted to make two jokes.
The first would be pretending to champion the game and say something along the lines of:
"Why don't you just 'Git Gud'...then?!!!" LOL
Because I watched your footage..and you 𝘢𝘳𝘦...good! Ha Ha.
And as you've said... the game does look very beautiful. And some things are pretty amazing. I think another reviewer said something along the lines of... he just doesn't think the designers ever play Souls games.
I think the idea of having The Upside Down (Ed. - He means the Umbral realm) is definitely an interesting twist. I am going to make a second bad joke regarding the extra 15 quid or so Lords charges vs. Lies of P's price and say "Did you ever wonder if that money is going to H. R. Giger's estate? For their licensing his designs for their underworld? Joking but their inspiration is pretty obvious.
But I did pay my money. So I want to try and stick with it. I played Elden RIng (amazing) couple times and then went back and played Dark Souls.
I am happy to hear that if LotF doesn't seem fun I have Lies of P to look forward to.
I have been invaded several times. None expected. And once when I was deeply peering into an NPC's menu buying her wares.
I am happy to report that I have defeated them all. Probably by the skin of my teeth. And the adrenaline rush from that battle I will have say probably made the purchase worthwhile. (Even if your review just makes me think...uninstal..now...and Get Lies of P!
Your logic about the bodies floating and us not is illogical. The Umbral world can percieve the word of Axiom, that does not mean that it is the same the other way around eg. We need the lamp to perceive and interact with it. When we are in Umbral we are percieving those bodies yes, but they are still in the world of Axiom, thus they stay afloat. Us shining the lantern on the body doesnt make them interact with Umbral, you need to hold the Lamp for that to take place.
A lot of your complaints are really just pure subjective opinion; Not actual review objective criteria. I don't think that makes for a compelling review. Best of luck in the future.
eg. You complained about the "limited" vetiges.... no, you can buy infinite amounts of those, from the beginning, you can farm them EASILY. It's barely an inconvenience. If you are going to make a complaint, at least make it a rational one. Yea?
I was pretty hyped for this game but i hated it, feels horrible to play and way too many mobs everywhere. Was hoping they would nail it.
Expressing your opinion is great but advising people not to play is just plain stupid. I for one agree with most of your gripes but still think it’s an enjoyable blast and glad I bought it - and will get better with updates.
This is OBSCURE as all hell, but has anyone ever heard of the knights of the holographic light and the super naturals, 80's action figures, there world and there style of bad guys and the holograms resemble umbral so much, but super obscure reference
aside from sometimes if feels like dynasty warriors souls and cheap enemy placement, i like the game, it's fun.
"you have to fight the dogs" wut? I completely ignored the dogs. Just keep rolling while focusing down the main boss and the stupid dogs literally can't hit you. One of the easiest bosses in the game. Can't fault the game for a skill issue on your side.
Also you seem to be completely misunderstanding the health regain mechanic. The health regain has no time limit. If you handle it as aggressively as LoP of BB then yeah of cours you'll just take damage again. Here you could essentially run around for eternity with your grey health bar and carefully pick your attacks and you will get everything back. You saying that it's useless because you "will" take damage again, that's a skill issue. The regain system is much better than LoP or BB. But yeah if you start frantically mashing the attack like in BB then yeah you will take damage again.
If you keep blocking and taking more and more chip damage, the time limit is your health. You'll die eventually
I specifically said the boss wasn't hard, just frustrating. And you can't just keep rolling because three enemies, with unbalanced, overlapping attacks means eventually you will get hit, and I guarantee you did too when fighting. The three enemies together are not balanced well so ignoring the dogs means you're hoping to be lucky, and finish the woman before the two dogs end up hitting you and stun locking you so you get hit by an arrow etc.
Congrats, you found a way to exploit the bad boss design. Just because it's possible to exploit or cheese a boss doesn't mean the boss design is good. Bed of Chaos is easy if you cheese it. It's still a shit boss.
@@sheltongolden4394 since when is dodging attacks by rolling a cheese tactic? Nowhere is it written you have to kill the dogs. I just see the dogs as projectiles circling the boss. Also I never said it's a good boss, just pointing out a skill issue.
…. Did this man really just say this combat was more floaty than DS2??? Helllll no man hell no. Yes, the main issue is the performance. They 100% need to fix that. And did you finish the game?? Cause recovering your wither health when you have an upgraded weapon you get your full health back in 2 hits man. Early game it’ll take 4-5 hits for sure if you have a shit weapon but as soon as you upgrade your weapon you are solid. Man I have had a 90% withered health bar and hit 3 times and got back to full. This game is nowhere as bad as you are saying it is. This is the Lies of P fans dogging LotF way more than needed. And crazy LotF fans are doing the same to Lies of P… like they are both great games what the hell. I do agree Lies of P is more polished for sure but man cmon. Lies of P wasn’t using Unreal Engine 5 either. Guarantee it wouldve been just as buggy if they did. Not excusing the state of LotF cause they shouldve delayed this game but still.
If the game has issues because its in unreal engine 5... then maybe it shouldn't have been made in unreal engine 5...
And yeah to me the combat is worse and more floaty then ds2.
And yeah later it does take less hits to regain health... which is counter intuitive to a regain system. So the regain system was built only to work properly and be useful at the END of a playthrough? When you're already stronger? Where's the logic there?
@@ChaosSoulYT uhhh people need to move to Unreal Engine 5… It is already the next thing that eveyone is going to move to. So yes they should have made it in UE5. Like I said in my previous comment, they should’ve delayed the game cause of this.
DS2 is way more floaty not sure how much of that ganky game you have played.
And certainly not END game for gaining all your health back. Literally beginning of the game when you unlock the blacksmith. Upgrade your weapon once or twice and it is doing very well at gaining your withered health back. You don’t have to be so dramatic about that hahaha! It stays handy throughout the game and is a concept done well other than getting withered while parrying. I do agree with that. What is the point of a parry if you take any wither damage… doesn’t make much sense. But otherwise it is done similarly to Bloodborne.
I already brought lies of p so I’ll just wait on this game til it drops its price
Me: oh open souls like hell yeah !!
The enemies in the game :oh hell no!you not gonna explore a sh**t😂
There was definitely a sound cue on that dog lady fight. You just wanted to rag on this game
Oh man absolutely agree 💯💯 this game was just pretty... Annoying and honestly kinda bad, when i beat it I just... Uninstalled lol
Two points tho,
1. When you were saying it was better then x Soulslike games i gotta disagree on one... Surge 2, i think surge 2 is a much more enjoyable game to play and is better designed.
2nd point, listened to your vid while working so idk if i missed it.. but a major negative for me is how god awful the character creator is in this game, the character models themselves are just ugly af to look at lol
I haven't played the surge 2 to be fair so can't comment.
The character creator is horrendous yeah I agree
@@ChaosSoulYT I recommend giving it a try. I hated surge 1, Surge 2 isn't anywhere as good as Nioh 1&2 or Lies of P in terms of non Fromsoftware souls likes but I do think it's superior to most of the non Fromsoft attempts at this genre. It's character creator is better then LOTF (tho still could be much better), gameplay feels more polished and focused, better enemies and Bosses and builds ect. I will say tho that surge 2 is worse then surge 1 in level design IMHO 😂. I think it's worth trying out, more content for your channel if anything
The video game feels like a video game. OMG!!! 😱
I don't know why people like you try to mention ds2 as if it had a really bad combat when for me it was waaay better than ds1. Of course its up to opinion but I don't know why its such a shared sentiment.
I made a whole video discussing all the issues with ds2s combat. I would recommend watching it.
Lotf ia fantastic. Lop is good and more polished but I like playing lotf more.
The bonfires are back in NG+ with a new update. Consoles have to wait. Either way, NG+ sucks in all souls games. They should just make a boss rush bc that’s what NG+ is really and some trophy/achievement hunting.
All I hear is a bunch of crybabies saying it’s bad because they can’t sit idle in the spirit realm because it’s too hard. Duh 🙄 where do you think the dead demons go after you slice them? And the game literally tells you that more enemies and tougher enemies will come if you stay in the dead realm for too long that’s what the eyeballs 👀 mean it’s literally a wanted level like GTA. And it tells you that it’s rising so these complaints are stupid. Then the weapon sounds not sounding like other games you’ve played is also another dumb argument as well.
I thing the vestige seed mechanic is really cool but shouldn’t be limited. You should be able to put on down wherever and whenever.
I love this game and hated Lies of P, And I thought it would be the other way around but this game has got it's hooks in me.
You focus too much on comparing it to other games I’m not listening to this
The combat still looks floaty and weird to me
Review is quite outdated because Devs just said you will be able to set vestiges for NG+ from next update.
It's not outdated at all since those changes aren't in the game
Why are you comparing it to from software? 🙂
i hate this game with every sell in my body.. it looks stunning thanks to UE5 but goddamn that gameplay is miserable... clunky animations, poor or sometimes non existent sound design, very confusing level design and the cherry on top is the infinite number of enemies. this game was designed to annoy the fuck out of the player. And that Ui, looks like something from 2006...Also don't even get me started on that final boss...
PS: i'm a huge fromsoft fan so naturally i love exploring and navigating complex levels, but this game get you lost in a very frustrating way and most shortcuts you find are useless, other paths just lead to a dead end.
this game had big potential, but the guys behind it have no idea how to make a good souls game. they had a bunch of cool ideas and tried to sloppily stitch them together and they failed miserably.
just play ER with different mods until DLC
A video game feels like a video game???
I loved this game
Yeah look at the lastest patch notes for bon fires in ng+ please.
The changes aren't good enough. They are still removing some vestiges in ng+ and more in ng+2 and then by ng+3 there are no regular vestiges once again.
Anyone who actually understands what makes souls so good knows that removing vestiges goes against the core design principles of souls games. Removing vestiges is artificial difficulty. Not well balanced, hard but fair difficulty.
The fact hexworks said they wanted to keep removing vestiges entirely from ng+3 onwards to 'keep their original vision' says it all. They like unfair, frustrating mechanics. They don't understand what makes souls games good.
All in all I think your overall assessment of the game was fair and your advice very reasonable and there are several things that you said that I agree with. However, there are many things you said that make me think that you didn't completely engage with several of the systems in this game. If you did then I am just confused about some of your opinions and statements.
1. You can purchase an unlimited number of the reagent needed to create as many temporary bonfires as you want and they are not even expensive (1200 for each I think)
2. The developers have now changed new game + so that there is a new game 0 and now each new game + level has fewer and fewer bonfires rather than none right off the bat.
3. The developers have added a delay in when a you activate an elevator so you CAN send the elevator back up.
4. When you start new game + and they took away the permanent bonfires, you still have all the shortcuts you opened. That is why there are shortcuts that feel strange. They are there for when the permanent places are gone for ease of traversal.
5. The developers have lowered the number of mobs in key areas in the basic playthrough. I agree that there were and still are too many.
6. Parry and block are not the way you described them at all in my experience. Blocking with a solid shield and armor mitigates a significant amount of damage AND the damage you do take is only wither damage. In addition, your wither recovery scales with the damage you are doing. I can recover my life dual wielding light weapons quickly and with a shield and heavy weapon even more quickly because there is less to recover in the first place. If you have the armor and shield for it, blocking is actually overpowered because you cannot die while blocking as long as your stamina holds out and your stance is not broken. So a few well timed blocks to take the brunt of a heavy hit followed by high damage strikes and you will never actually lose health. Obviously a heavy blocking style of play goes best with heavy armor and weapons or shield. If you are using light armor and weapons than blocking is an "oh sh$%#t" mechanic and you will be mostly dodging. You can also get runes and rings that increase wither recovery if that is the playstyle you are going for.
7. Did you use magic or ranged weapons at all? To me, in this game, not playing with any ranged attacks is the equivalent of playing without dodging. Ranged weapons and magic are both highly effective and, due to unlimited recoverability of ammo, not something you have to save for a rainy day. It's a great way to thin out enemies, apply nasty status effects and to recover withered health. Every playstyle is intended to have several associated ranged styles and they do a heck of a lot of damage.
I do agree with you that Lies of P is a fantastic and much more polished and complete experience, but I will say however that the developer seems to be working very hard to both fix problems and respond to player feedback. So, I do admire them for that.
Its not good, its amazing
Great review!
This is a great game, i’m honestly tired of people comparing it to Lies of P. It’s more ambitious than the latter, and the world is far more immersive. I truly blame the dark souls fans that started playing last year with Elden Ring’s release.