Review! The Jamo C93 II bookshelf loudspeaker
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2019
- Hands on with the Jamo C93 II. Compact speakers with a lively, spacious, and clear sound.
Intro music by: Hara Noda - 'Lower East'
Link to the manufacturer product page:
www.jamo.com/products/c93-ii
#Jamo #ZeroFidelity #C93
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Equipment that used in this review include the following:
AMR CD-777 SE
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HEED ABACUS
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Iotavx SA3
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Marantz PM8006
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Parasound HALO HINT 6
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I love this channel, this review makes me want to hear these in a mix environment! I love clarity and non “sweet” sounding speakers
Excellent review 👍
Another great looking bookshelf speaker! Love that front baffle design. Nice looking construction quality of the cabinet. Love to hear about the amount of "clarity". That is a major for me in a speaker. Great price point.
The nice thing about jamo is that they look amazing without sacrificing quality, they onestly look better than some speakers triple that price
I bought many speakers that UA-camrs review. These are my favorite of all and Focal607s with more bass and and a little less soundstage. I play around with speakers a lot and always come back to these Jamo c93. They're on my desk (nearfield)
@@y.k.9705 im planning on getting them as my desk setup, nice! do you use a subwoofer with them and if yes wich one?
Another spot on review!! Purchased a pair on sale for $399.00 and love them! It is uncanny how good you are at reviews.
I get these in a couple of days. Assuming you've had them for at least a month, how do you find them? Biggest concern is how hot an amp will get considering the speaker drops below 4 ohms in spots and that voices aren't too laid back for movies and music. I've only had 1 set of speakers where the soundstage went well outside the speakers and those were Monitor Audio Silver 50s, but the mids were too laid back, particularly noticeable on soundtracks and with Rock.
@@nc3419 If you haven't seen 'cheapaudiomans' review of these, i'd recommend you do. He absolutely LOVES them! ua-cam.com/video/bx2R6d00xxU/v-deo.html
I bought these and absolutely love them.
Another good review
Just got the C91 ii for my small sunroom. Looking forward to enjoying them. In white, too...
Always entertaining Sean! Quite a comparison between the Klipsch and the Jamos. That would be the closest one to compare with. That should stir interest!👍🏻
very cool! haven't heard much about these. I have the original C93's and have been enjoying them for a couple of years now. i think it's the waveguide on the tweeter. it's pretty special. i have mine in a 2.1 setup and i swear i have surround sound on sometimes. i recall one time on a commercial, there was a doorbell sound. it sounded so real we thought someone was at the door!
Thanks for listing the Intro music - have another to add to my play list!
Same here👍😂! I'm actually listening to the song as we speak : Hara Noda.👌
Thanks for another great review Sean!! I have a couple pairs of JAMO C-103s and ABSOLUTELY LOVE them!! I actually ordered a set of S400s from Mads and returned them because my C-103s sounded so much better......to me. 😊
@@ZeroFidelity The S400s sounded AMAZING.....tonally....but they just couldn't handle the POWAH!! LOL!! I'm running an Emotiva XPA-DR2 and it has GOBS of power!! #LoveItLoud
I have a pair of 103s and bigger c109. Love the c109 for its sound stage and relaxed mid range. Bass is too over powering on c109 so I hardly ever use the subs !
Nice review Sean ! I have really gotten into Near-field listening lately , And i been really enjoying what i call the magic volume , that's normally low volume because we all know the more volume you add the more distortion we add also . My amp is rated at 330 watts at 4 ohms dual mono design , But at about one to three watts on the VU meters it sounds amazing !!! i like staying in class A mode :) but for real this time how does the 93s sound nearfield ? Thanks Again Sean
What type of stands are you using on those? They look great
I just bought a pair of these due to your review. I also got the C97 iis for my main system. Great speakers!
Now, this got me curious! RP600M rival? Time to get one.
Can you do speaker giveaways? Us poor folk need hand outs.....
More full range reviews Thomas and Sean pls🙏🏼
@@dajusta87 Just become a UA-cam audio component reviewer: then you'll be rich!
Thomas & Stereo you 2 guys are favorite reviewers ;)
@@AUDIO.and.SCOTCH what a coincidence, me too :)
Great review. Saves a lot of sifting through. BTW Your short monitor stands look great, but you haven't credited them. Where can I find them?
Great review! Any chance you will be reviewing new Monitor Audio Gold 100? I think it’s awesome in its price bracket. Thx!
looks good.... Ive got some old c603, c803 and c809 and enjoy them all. I got them all used for next to nothing. What amp did you prefer with them?
Grills look great.
OMG I am SOOOOO glad you reviewed these new Jamo's Sean!! I think you're the very 1st on YT to review this model. I'm glad you brought up the '6 ohms' issue....was wondering how typical A/V Receivers will be able to handle 'em. Based on what you had to say, it sounds like it won't be an issue. (That was my prime consideration before/if buying these : D )
I believe Z-reviews covered them a month or so ago And yep, they are super easy to drive, easy to work with, and can sound when fueled by AVRS.
@@ZeroFidelity Yeah Z did review the new Jamo's, but he covered the lower model...the C91's. Gave 'em a very positive review. Thanks again Sean!
Most receivers will not have any problems driving nominal 4 ohm speakers. With that said, you also need to look at phase angle along with frequency which you won't find on any spec sheet.
Can someone recommend what kind of an amplifier (class AB or D) C93 II would go well with? Any brand or model specifically?
"Forward" is one of your favorite descriptions, I'm sure you have explained what you mean by this but I think we are due for a refresher.
The use is like any sports car review that says "fast" or "stylish". You're gonna see it.
@Fat Rat What does in your face mean in respect to speakers?
@Fat Rat Well, it doesn't make it worse.
Whenever I say "forward" I usually describe exactly what contributes to that descriptor moments later. This trait is usually (although not always) due to how a product is voiced. Products that purposefully bump up the treble in order to sound more 'lively' will usually retain this characteristic.
nice shirt!!
How would you think the Yamo would perform in a home theater environment? Perhaps as the front, left; and right speaker locations? You'd have a spare speaker as they come in pairs, but that's not a really a bad thing I don't think.
What type of stands are those you using in your review? Thank you kindly.
Could you review the B&W 606? Might be one of the best choices at their price point.
How do these speakers compare to the Q Acoustics 3030i?
Do these need a subwoofer? I’m contemplating between the Klipsch 2.1 Promedia or the Jamo bookshelf speakers (S803 or c93 II) please advise
Great review. Somebody is selling these for $100. Trying my best to get them before someone else grabs them I'm using Large Advents, Kenwoord KA-3500 amp and a Fosi P3 Preamp, which already sounds beautiful and killer the way it is. I can put the Jamo's on the B -Speaker of the amp so I can run them separate or together. I listen to rock & jazz fusion mostly. Can't wait to hear it. Thanks for the great review. You get a lot in, in a short time. I subscribed.
Anyone compared these Jamos against the Triangle BR 03?
Can you tell me about the finishes on these? Seems like the 91, 93, 95, and 97 ii now have a vinyl wrap. And that the original versions (not ii) were veneers. But the components are essentially the same and basically they're the same speaker otherwise.
What is the speaker stand you are using in this video sir?
Now I want a side by side with the UB5'z!!!!!Of course you are thinking "It's never enough for you people".But think the Elac might be closer to Jamo.Hoping you get your hands on those new slot port Elac Debut Reference.Sound clips always suck but Fremmer's clip from RMAF of those $500 jobbies was pretty mind blowing.
I'd like to hear a comparison with the pricier Technics SB-C700, which I felt needed a tube amp to round it out.
Thanks Sean, sound interesting. Another practical review. The aesthetics is attractive. The price is also competitive. I was about to go ahead with Klipsch rp600m.... Will watch your comparison again. The jamo is brighter than the klipsch? And the bass of the klipsch is stronger than jamo? Am I on track?
Yep. You're on the right track. I think it may boil down to preference in the midrange and imaging.
Would you say the top end is similar to the AQ Acoustic Labradors 29 Mark III?
Thanks for sharing! looks like a nice speaker.
Is this SONY measuring tape??
What is the speaker stand?
Hi there I have a pair of c109 and they sound absolutely fantastic especially the midrange is full and very pleasing to listen to. I also have a pair of fairly expensive Sony NA2ES and to be honest I like the midrange better in my Jamo 109s.
Jamo made some of their best speakers in the mid/late 90's.
I have a pair of mint Jamo 507 a from 1993 and i love them. Looks and Sound !
I would Like to have the Jamo Oriel 😍
I had the 707i which i bought in 1997 and sold them last year. Brilliant speakers, but you have to drive them with a power amp of at least 150w/rms to get the best out of them. The concert 11 & 8 from that time is still today sought after by collectors.
I have the Jamo E800 and really think they are under appreciated. Love them.
Would you say they're competitive with the Yamaha HS series?
My Jamo C407 has a decoupled tweeter, i love them! I also bought the first generation C93, love them to!
Greetings From Denmark
My favorite speakers of all.
if you have heard KEF R300 .. what is the difference between those two ??
What’s your pick Jamo c93 or triangle Borea BR03
I would love to see you review the JBL Stage a130
Great review! I wonder if these Jamo would sound better paired with a passive Jamo subwoofer that has a built-in crossover feeding them with only mids and highs?
As I like to say, if you want a musical sub.. buy two.. and buy REL.
Zero Fidelity thanks, man!
@@ZeroFidelity I wish I could afford 2 REL but I'm on a fixed budget....I'll look and see if REL or SVS ever go on sale.
Whatever happened to those big open baffle jobbies they made the 909?Great lookers
What about klipsch rp600 vs jamo c95ii? I know it’s a book shelf vs tower but they are the same price
Hi Sean, I think you’re one of the top 3 really professional reviewers on UA-cam, who knows how to describe the sound of a piece of equipment in a well-balanced manner, taking into consideration that different people may prefer different sound signatures. Good job and keep doing what you’re doing. I have one question for you and a suggestion.
First, the question. I own a very popular speaker model, which was reviewed many many times. Some reviewers think they sound too bright, and others have totally opposite opinion that they are smooth and non-fatiguing. After trying these speakers with five different amps I think they are completely neutral and transparent to whatever equipment you connect to them. If your amp is bright/warm you will get bright/warm sound from the speakers. So when you say the speakers sound “bright” or “warm” how do you know that this sound character comes from the speakers themselves and not from your amp or source?
And here’s my suggestion. In the past you did a very good guide explaining all the terms reviewers use when they describe the sound of audio gear. Why not provide a link to that guide in your every video review. Those guides deserve much more views, as most people don’t know what “bright” or “airy” mean and don’t even realize that these are not just vague words, but well-defined terms, that are part of an established glossary.
Cheers
Thanks Dennem. I appreciate the suggestion and may implement it in the near future! Meanwhile, what speakers are you talking about? If I'm familiar with them, then I can tell you straight up with their native performance envelope is like. If not..then I guess won't be able to help. :D As for question:
The ability to consistently and accurately deduce what a product is all about boils down to a mix of experience and knowledge. Experience comes by gathering tons of reference points. It's not just about hearing lots of gear, it's also about learning how these products perform in a wide variety of rooms. Then there's knowledge.. Learning the basics behind how hifi gear works will help you understand *why* you hear what you hear, and will give you more confidence in your assessment - as the process of connecting the dots will become a lot easier.
Zero Fidelity I was talking about KEF LS50s. Tried them in different room layouts, varied placement, height, toe-in, with tube and solid state gear and heard them sounding bright, warm and neutral depending on the set up.
Thank you for the answer, Sean. I also believe that for an audio reviewer having experience with lots of different equipment is a must. Do you think your amp and source are transparent and do not bring their own warmness or brightness into the mix?
@@audiofun999 - Yep. It's easy to experience a kaleidoscope from one product. The KEF LS50, at its core, is a speaker that resides on the forward side of neutral with midrange that takes on a slightly 'hard' characteristic. It's a speaker that produces a punchy, clear, and open sound.
To answer your other question: My source isn't transparent in an objectively linear way, but it's something that I'm extremely familiar with. Because of that familiarity, I'm able to immediately identify the changes that another component makes whenever its introduced to the system - and can do so reliably. Cheers!
I think you're spot on with your LS50s observation. I ended up pairing them with a tube amp that uses specific Mullard tubes which shift the speakers' sound to the "warm side of neutral" (love this term :). The midrange is relaxing and very life-like with no hardness, brightness or harshness at all.
And for the second part: I agree that being very familiar with your own system helps to produce reliable reviews. I definitely think that your reviews are reliable as I listened to some of the gear your reviewed and can confirm your observations. It may not be the case with some other reviewers though. For example if a reviewer listens to a neutral or bright speakers only on their favorite warm-sounding amp, they might come to a wrong conclusion that those speakers sound warm too.
HiFi industry measure woofer/cone driver includes its frame as the diameter number, and no any standard 6" driver has cone larger than 5", mostly around 4"~4.5"
Review the Zu Audio Dirty Weekend Mk II. Popular speaker.
Q Acoustics uses decoupled tweeter to my knowledge.
Hey Sean. I am curious, how many hours you let a speaker burn in before you start to judge their sound? Thanks for your hard work. I truly appreciate your reviews. Maybe your channel should be called "True Fidelity" or, "Honest Sound". Please review more floor standing speakers. Regardless, I thank you.
Answer: Awhile ago, I used to put a solid weeks worth of time on every review sample. Since I no longer have enough time to go through that process I'll only "burn in" the product if I believe that the parts could truly benefit from it.
what is the difference between jamo c 93ii and jamo c93 ?
Hi Zero Fidelity. Which of the speakers in the review is better for electronic dance music?
Thank you
Both are fine with electronic music. Just depends on what you prioritize. Spacious imaging with a more detailed, quicker sound. Or bigger, warmer sound that can play at louder volumes.
Would it be wise to upgrade from my C93 to RP600m ? My listening space is quite small - 4m x 4m
Or should I move to Kef Q150, here in Vietnam, the KEF is actually being sold cheaper (by not much) than the klipsch.
Before you do, check this review out 1st. You'll be glad you did ua-cam.com/video/bx2R6d00xxU/v-deo.html
So every popular speaker needs to have the bass and treble attenuated in order to sound right?
To sound right? No. To sell? The numbers don't lie.
Right now the Jamos are on sale for 316. You can find them at Crutchfield and Amazon at this price. Just pulled the trigger.
How do you like them? I also bought them for $316 and these are my faves.
Jamo be there
How do they compare to the C93 first gen?
Improved tweeter and some cosmetic changes, mostly to the grills and veneers. The tower versions changed the feet to a diagonal shape rather than horizontal. Otherwise, they're basically the same.
Hi from Spain , i want to set up a home cinema , my options are dali oberon 3 pack with oberon back at surr , or this jamo with c91 II at surr. whitch u recommend ? 80 % USE Cinema & Netflix , 20% Music
Gracias
Both are very good. I'd say for HT, the Jamo has the edge.
Gracias @@ZeroFidelity
Question....do they need a subwoofer?
Hi Sean. Thanks for reviewing the Jamo concert c93 ii. I have the c603s and c607s. I measured the drivers (although different) and they too are just under 5 inches. This is surprising as I find the bass quite impressive. It's a shame you can't bi-amp the c93s like the previous concert series for those that like that option. I hope you broke them in well as my c607s took a long time to break in. Before they broke in, my c603s had better bass than the c607s.
Anyway, good job. Cheers
I have the c607 and 603 as well. I really dislike the "biAmp" ability. I really feel it's a missed opportunity. The tweeter and mid should be 1 and the 2 bass drivers should be the others. The 607 are really damn good speakers that dont get any love while they punch way above the price range. In fact people have no clue as to how amazing they are. My step up will be magnepan 1.7i. Anything less and I would just stay with the 607s
@@ufarkingicehole I agree. The c607 is amazing and very underrated. Sadly a lot of people still believe because they're made in China they aren't very good.
Are these the same supposedly 6" drivers they use in the C97 II? Not sure how they can get away with such marketing.
Hi Sean....I have been trying to make you answer any of my questions during the lives, but never happens. So help me to decide between Jamo C93, Wharfs 12.2 or SVS Prime or Paradigm Studio 20. Peace!
Please review the B&W 606
always like your vids, but maybe a key light on your mug?
Hi Sean… based on your review this speaker at $250 are a steal… correct me if I’m wrong
about the woofer size, same story with my spendor sa-1. spec says 6" measurement is 4.5" from outside edge rubber surround(which is most optimistic method). more useful measurement is cone diameter or effective woofer diameter which includes one rubber surround width.
its like inches are not real measurement for them, but marketing deceptions they can use. in woofer spec sheet i find accurate sizes in millimeters and how they were taken.
Yeah. This is the second product in a row that I've had to notate the manufacturers woofer-size spec.
Nice job as always. I wonder if their head like shape makes them sound more real.
The baffle does a pretty good job of dispersing sound. I actually made an edit to include this point, but left it out because it interrupted the 'flow' of the video.
You mention how the tweeter is decoupled. So we have Kef, Tannoy and Andrew Jones with with a tweeter inside the woofer being violently moved around yet those are highly regarded. Yet another choice but that’s okay. This speaker looks great to me for a small room. That metal phase plug, haha.
Nice review but since you have both speakers why not add a sound test - comparison?
What is the cabinet material and baffle made from do you know and thickness. You say played loud you get coloration but not distortion in the cabinet resonance. What price do they sell for.
$700/pr as in video.
@@RennieAsh thanks I didn't catch that
@@johnsweda2999 Front baffle is MDF but there isn't much info otherwise. Probably a standard cabinet with no extreme bracing if any
A comparison to the first revision of this speakers? The old C93?
You'll have to consult Z-Reviews for that one. I have no experience with the original C93.
Jamo woofer materials : "These woofers are made from paper sandwiched between two layers of fiberglass, which, according to Jamo, give excellent rigidity and material uniformity. The most distinctive feature of the woofer is its shiny aluminum Metal Centre-Plug which replaces a traditional dust cap and lightens the cone of the woofer."
I have a pair of the more expensive towers from 10 years ago, (2nd hand). The tweeter is horrible imo, it didn't last long before I removed it and currently I'm trying an xt25 ring radiator. It will need crossover work, but I'm using an EQ to balance it out in the meantime. The woofers and mids seem well damped, nice smooth bass. Is a little boosted below 100Hz since it is more a HT speaker. I might try a wavecor tweeter as it is 8 Ohm (xt25 is 4 Ohm), and it has a similar waveguide.
Sweet. Thanks for the addition. Didn't see that in the PDF I was sent and didn't spend much time on the site.
@@ZeroFidelity It was mentioned on a review site of some older model I own, but I'd reckon it's the same materials as they have the same pattern on the cone.
Hey Sean, Q Acoustics also has the tweeter decoupled even in their entry level products. When I replaced my Q Acoustics 3020 with the KEF LS50 I was actually disappointed by the rather small improvement in performance (except for the low end).
I have the 3020s, and I think they are phenomenal for the price. They easily compare to more expensive speakers.
B&W does decoupled tweeters. Even the ones (some, newer?) in the box are decoupled.
Q acoustics do it too, even my budget Q acoustics 3020 (under £200) come with a decoupled tweeter.
Hey Sean, hope to see you reviewing larger speakers like the Tekton Encore/Moab, klipsch Forte III, Cornwall IV etc...
You can get a used pair of Totem Model 1's now for under $1000. Which would you choose?
Model 1's.
@@ZeroFidelity Many thanks for the confirmation. I am now rest assured that my Model 1's that I bought new so many years ago are still relevant.
I own the original C93's and have them paired with SMSL Sanskrit6/98E DAC/AMP and they sound great!
What i like the most about these speakers is how they make you feel like you have closed your eyes in a rock concert.. you are just.. there.
Live music recordings sound just amazing.. especially unplugged.
I have a pair of Jamo Pro 400ex speakers 🔊
I also prefer warm sounding speakers as opposed to forward sounding ones.
depends on the recording, for hip hop with compressed vocals and hi hats and claps in your face warm sound is better, for a bill wurtz song or something forward might be better
I ordered these from Crutchfield and received them today, still waiting on the PS Sprout 100 to arrive. Hoping these are going to sound good though with the 8 inch Klipsch subwoofer in this small 10x10 room.
Two thing's
1. You're right about the woofer being 4 3/4 in. LIARS!
2. I wonder why anyone would hang these on the wall with the rear ports.
Not liars. The woofer measurement is based on the basket size, which is not visible from the outside of the speaker.
I'm also curious to see how they'd compare to Triangle speakers.
Triangle has a new affordable bookshelf speaker that's priced in the same bracket at these. There's a chance I'll be able to answer that question in the coming months. The higher end model that I reviewed earlier (Triangle Titus Ez) gives you better overall performance than both the RP600m and the Jamo C93 II, as they should given the price gap.
@@ZeroFidelity Thanks for the response! I'll keep that in mind.
Review some Focal speakers
Sean, so you like warm and laidback sound. Why then you virtually never mention Warfedales? Would be very interesting to know about your experience/opinion with them.
Because I only review products that are sent to me by the manufacturer / US distributor - and I rarely reach out for review samples. If they ever become interested in sending me something, then I'd be down to check out their latest gear.
@@ZeroFidelity I haven't tried them yet, but those Wharfedale Diamond 11.2 Bookshelves (6-inch woofer) are supposed to be really really nice! Crutchfield is now carrying them fyi.
Comes in white also
I need your advice. I have a perfectly rectangular room. Should I put my speakers along the longer walls or should I put them at the shorter walls and point them down the long length of the room?
Longer side of the wall.
Zero Fidelity oh thank God!!
Rearranging the living room the other way would have SUCKED!!
So the only caveats are: 1) slightly veiled mid range, but it's a sound that is common today 2) colouration from box, which affects a large proportion speakers in this price range anyhow. Sounds great
This or the triangle br03?
I haven't heard either, but Tharbamar just did a review of the Triangle and wasn't that impressed with 'em (which is kinda weird cuz I know that Sean was VERY impressed with the Bro3)
I... had... the bro2. and now have the C91ii. The C91ii stomp the crap out of the Triangle IMO. bro2 went back.. they are BOOMY
On sale now for $399/pr @ crutchfield
If $ not an issue: This Jamo, Klipsch 600 or Buchardt S400? Thanks
By and large, the S400's play on a different level. But I could see people preferring the Klipsch or the Jamos - the latter being especially true if you like a forward, thin sound.
Hi, Sean! Have you listened to the Amphion Argon 3s? Interestingly, I think it has a similar technical construction with Buchardt s400(and looks very similar too when upside down).. and wonder how they differ in sound..?
I haven't spent time with the Argon 3's. I have spent time with some other Amphions though. Both companies are going for the same thing, but ended up with a different sound. Buchardt is warm and laid back. Amphion is a bit more forward and cool sounding.
Ah, I see. Thank you, Sean.
ok. I've been going back and watching all the good reviews of popular speakers that good old Erin in his miserable audio corner has recently obliterated. only because i think he only relies on his expensive test equipment (I'm sure his wife is thrilled).
It's too bad no one reviews Canton pedestal mount speakers. I have the low middle GLE series, and they are better than any speaker I've owned. Maybe the Canton speakers are too expensive for most people, but sometimes you do get what you pay for.
Cantons gotta be interested in sending gear out to review in order for there to be more reviews.
Hi...if you compare Klipsch Rp600 with Jamo C93II?
In what is better Klipsch, and in what Jamo?..What would you choose?
Ty
He discusses this in detail in the last 4 minutes of this video
Much information is in the midrange, when the tweeter sounding bright and the midrange sounds very clear its not life like anymore is my opinion. Monitor Audio has indeed the same signature, i think with (very)warm soundig gear maby Tubes it can tame it a little bit.
I bought a pair of s803’s after the rave review from Zeos. As desktop speakers i am pretty happy with them. But they don’t have a good soundstage as music is stuck between the speakers. I might check these speakers out.
So did I! Too bright and boxy sounding for me. Unimpressed
The 803's have lots of treble and lots of bass... but the midrange is gone and the sound is overall a bit... well.. polarizing. The C93 II's fill in the midrange and up the performance in a way that you'd expect given the price difference. It's still a Jamo. Just a much better sounding Jamo.
@@rc6717 sometimes hé actually is on to things. Check out his c91 II review
@Zero Fidelity i want to upgrade to a more powerfull amplifier do you keep some kind of a leaderboard on a forum as audiosciencereview does?
#1
Have seen a DIY project called HF275 using an Esotec hanging in rubber bands in its own in filter box'
snw.lonningdal.no/hf275/HF-275_Helios.pdf
Parrot in the pocket
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