A little story. (nothing to do with this video)When I was young,,me and friend had a tree barber chair. And it almost killed my friend. We cut a standing dead ash,,and it fell into a large live tree,,and hung up.Putting stress on the live tree. We had no idea how dangerous that was at the time.My friend notched it and started the back cut on the live tree,, when it split. It happened fast,,,creating a large pivot point. It grabbed his coat,,threw him in the air,,chainsaw and all. The split ran 8 foot high before it broke,,leaving a huge leaver,,the top of tree hit ground,,,and launched the trunk into the air. Slamming to the ground inches from his head!!! Yep it happened fast and I was standing there watching the whole thing. It's been 30 years since this happened and we still talk about it occasionally.
Just imagine how this feels from the perspective of an ant. A giant machine with flashing metal teeth four ants high and dozens of ants long starts ripping apart your home, and any ant unfortunate enough to be caught in the path, then your whole home falls over, before a roaring tornado sends you flying off into the grass, so far from home. You watch, helplessly, as your friends and family fly through the air to land all around you some never to be seen again. Then the ripping machine starts again and your home is torn to pieces and carted off to parts unknown. How will you start over? How will you rebuild? And what was the fate of ant #11,513?
We cut down a dead pine for firewood one time whilst in a hunting camp at 9,000' in the San Jan mountains. I guess the ants living in it wanted even more altitude, as their nest went from base to more than 50' up the inside of the trunk.
Up here in the Pacific Northwest back when I was doing tree work I took down and removed many pines where the roots were gone because of tiny red ants . Not sure if tree was sick or ants themselves killed the trees . Many were one wind storm away from crushing a house or person .
Yup, some ants hibernate. They sleep during the winter, but raising the temperature can wake them up... it depends on the species. some respond to temperature... others have an internal clock and will continue to sleep.
My initial thought was that the face cut was way too deep. But given that the height of the tree left was too short, and that you had a cable on it, having such a deep face cut set the center of gravity back causing there to be less leverage against pulling. Great job!
@@rahkinrah1963 Sadly, I remember watching it in a theater in Maine after returning from England, it came out in '53 and I was five in '56 so it was a creature feature by then. Dang good movie.
Japanese are very skilled lumberjacks. They take their time but are meticulous and accurate with their falling techniques Yes that is obviously a generalization
we were out in Ca. dead wooding in a state park to ensure camper safety. I was topping a dead tree about 80' up. the top was only another 40' or so, and it had a hole in it big enough for an owl. as I was making my back cut I got hit by these solid black bees or hornets. (they looked like big bees) I stopped cutting and as I repelled down they stung me all the way. hit the ground and ran and they followed me to a small creek. I was so swollen the foreman took me to a clinic and they gave me histamine shots. he was nice enough to let me finish the job the next day, with two cans of wasp spray.
That's something new here in NC, I've noticed a big uptick of fire ants in pine tree's externally and internally. Normally carpenter ants are the biggest pest, but the fire ants are taking over.
+bbigrocker1 Never heard of fire ants until had to do a 2 year job in Louisiana. Went to turn the water on and there were ants all over it. Reached in and became an enemy to thousands of them. DAMN!
+bbigrocker1 They're in Missouri now too. Along with Armadillos, never saw one growing up now there are almost as many dead armadillos as there are dead possums now. Can't decide which is dumber.
Giant undercut did not matter much because it was only a tall "stump" , no canopy . In the Pacific NW in the 80s I did a fair amount of tree work and saw many pine trees apparently killed by tiny red ants . Here , often the root ball would be severely damaged and the tree would fall on a house because of it . Had a job to remove a tree that was rubbing the eve and when taking it down I found the ants . Checked other trees on property and removed 11 more .
One of my guys did the notch cut. I would have done it different but because we pulled the trunk down with the Bobcat, I was not worried. Sometimes I let one of the younger guys do a felling cut, (when it's a clear area), and then talk about why the tree fell the way it did. Learning is about doing and making mistakes is often a good teacher.
The trees defence, oil, was dried up and consumed by decay (in that locality) long before the ants showed up. Pouring gas from your saw on them slows them down.
arboristBlairGlenn Sorry, i presumed you were a climber. My mistake. A climber doesnt want a couple of thousand or even a couple of hundred ants pouring out of the cut he just made. In my youth i would use tree paint from the can permanently affixed to my belt. The best thing is to pour gason em. They turn upside down like in a cartoon, pretty neat. One time about 30 years ago i gassed a nest we opened up cutting a log on the ground. I wanted to light it for fun but didnt have matches. In the time it took to get a light the gas must have soaked into the sawdust and porous ant-heim so it just lit up a little like a primus stove. After a minute or two it blew throwing up a ten foot diameter cloud of big carpenter ants and their sawdust. A nice surprise! I called it "ant Hiroshima", which was kinda callous but I was young. So yeah buddy-boy you can advise the men that climb that a slosh of gas will slow down the ants considerably. Glad to help, always, message me if there is anything else you need to know.
arboristBlairGlenn 42 years and you never thought to use your saws fuel and lube to slow down ants when you make a cut and they start pouring out? I did it my first year. I aint tryin to run you down but i was kinda surprised to see you question my gas treatment for ants. What do you do when you b7mp into 500-1000 ants in a tree? Ever get bit by em? Where do get the bites?
Ants in our part of the world are not as bad as I have heard stories. Ants down under will eat you alive. Here, they are an irritation but not that bad.
Maybe they are those newly invasive "Argintine Ants." They love wood. Don't know about pine but they made all the over here to Salt Lake and have taken up in my 100 yr old willows.
Back in my cord wood days I was splitting some stuff I'd just bucked up and hit the main part of a nest of carpenter ants. I shut the tractor off (3pt. hitch splitter) and there were so many you could hear them walkng around.
On a healthy live tree a felling notch (Cut) should be between within 25-33% (max 1/3) of diameter with a good hinge behind it. A dead Radiata Pine, with termite tree infestation would cause me to stay at the lower end just in case.
We find ants in living oak trees all the time. Some comments state that they see ants in pines in other parts of the world. What I know about my part of the world of trees is completely different in other areas.
I agree, I talked with George about that. Not sure why he did it so deep but there wasn't any foliage so a wind gust was not an issue. Also, we had it tied back to the Bobcat to pull it down. The only reason I post this was because of the ants. I don't see ants in pines. Oaks, ash, elm yes, but not pines. Decay in pines is not too common. This tree recently died.
arboristBlairGlenn Yes, I am not criticizing, just pointing it out. I have been cutting a lot of directional felling of dead ash lately so have been pretty attentive to holding wood and the level of control that you have in some situations. Keep up the good work, I enjoy your videos.
That was a perfect hinge left on the trunk of that tree. I see so many amateurs make their back cut all the way through. That is why so many of them experience a nasty kick-back.
Realizing you couldn't have eradicated all these ants,, was it pointless not at least attempting to eliminate the majority of them instead of blowing them away from this particular tree whereas they'll more than likely inhabit the next closest one causing damage to it as well? Am I "barking up the wrong tree" with my question? A quick shot of 409 house cleaner takes care of these suckers in a heartbeat!
First off, ants did not kill this tree. They moved in to a decay pocket. Second, my only concern here was to get the job done. Using the blower enabled us to finish without having to work around any toxic substance or masses of sticky, dead ants.
+arboristBlairGlenn 10-4 Glenn. I was always under the impression carpenter ants actually dined off living cellulose of tree fiber but after some further research,, I see they can't. According to the article I read,, they're only capable of eating & digesting the decayed after product the tree itself is shedding layer by layer. I understood you & your crew probably wouldn't want to spray the ants down with any type of prescribed ant killer,, that's why I suggested the 409,, a normal household spray cleaner that stops them dead in their paths & I didn't know whether this particular tree retained any value at the mill which would probably be reluctant taking in logs sprayed down with pesticides. You kept me on my toes with the reply,, thanks. Stay safe out in the field,, taking down trees no matter how much experience can prove challenging at times,, one kickback for unknown reasons is all it takes for an unfortunate incident. Take care..
It was more about getting the job done. If I had something like 409, and understood it would work, I would have used it. I had a blower. Job done. Move forward to the next job.
I had to take down a tree with bees in it once. Hole in the side with swarms around it. Luckily i could get the bucket truck in and didn't have to climb it from the bottom. Once I got close to the hole got back in the bucket and i started shaving off pieces til I just reached the top of the nest, then i went below and cut about an equal distance down, dropped the whole chunk into the dump truck...we trailed bees all the way to the dump.
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Amazing creatures, ants. Sad their home was destroyed. You guys do a great job, excellent video production too.
Total nightmare!!! I hate ants!!! If I would have been there when that ginormous colony was discovered, I would have ran away screaming, then collapsed!
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thats normal in central California... i see termite infestation or damage...not far behind ants take over there colonies or co exist in the coloney anyways... they are cousins...
I am a retired professional. It DOES matter how deep you make the undercut. If that tree had been defective then there could have been problems. Undercuts should be about 40% of horizontal distance. There is no need to go beyond 50%. Anyone who makes undercuts this deep is not as well trained as they need to be. Now in the defense of the crew: this tree butt was so short that not much could go wrong at this point, but you would never do this with the whole tree.
+arboristBlairGlenn Sorry Glenn, after reading my comment I was thinking of bagworms. An old guy I know had rigged up a thin pipe that would ooze some kind of oil. The goo was kept lit by a lighter of some kind. So it wasn't actually blowing fire, it just kept a flame going. He'd go from bag to bag burning the bag and it's occupants. I've never seen anything like that but his yard and a small apple grove (about 10 trees) behind his house were the only ones in the neighborhood with no bagworms. Have you seen anything like that? btw after rereading my comment, it must have been very late at night, didn't make much sense to me either.
that tree would have become really wind shook i would say those were carpenter Ants at least they wont have to remove that stump if they do not want to the Ants will do it for them
Looks like another fast growing urban tree out of its species natural environment, which is probably one possibility why this example did not produce enough defensive chemicals to deter ants. I could easily observe most of this Monterey's fat yearly produced growth rings which only added up to about 50 years of life.
The really sad part about this story is that they are all dying. She is 94 and was born here. Her parents planted the pines about 50 years ago and there are still many trees dying. I have never seen ants in a pine.
Yes, I thought Ants are deterred by Pines sticky sap. Are trees succumbing to pitch canker or drought. Or has anyone discovered other possible reasons why they are all dying in your region? As you know, its the professional certified Arborist who is on the front line making earliest discoveries of newest invasive Arthropods, Fungus, Bacteria etc. invading our continent. For example, it took some 12 yrs. of mysteriously dying Ash trees before confused Arborist who were unaware that no native Fraxinus Phloem borers produce "D" shaped exit holes finally asked Scientists to help identify. And it was an inquisitive tree owner here in Chicago who first discovered Asian Longhorn Beetle. _Thanks Blair for taking the extra time to regularly educate & entertain UA-cam subscribers._
Thanks' for asking! My name is Scott Carlini, Chicagoland's volunteer tree historian. Morton Arboretum officials have nick named me _Scottie Ashtree seed_ since I am most all around knowledgeable on Emerald Ash borer subject, educating distant communities across North America on how to survey for and protect their best 100-180 old founder planted examples. Along with preservation efforts involving Olmsted, Frank Lloyd Wright and Jens Jensen installed trees. The National park service is protecting Jefferson's 200 old planted Ash, and a 250+ old example young George Washington did not cut down next to families famed Cherry tree. Fresno named after locally evolved Ash species, and White Ash is credited with being our planets progenitor of world's Fraxinus tree family. The handle Concertman was my DJ name on "Rebel radio", a heavy metal station out of Chicago. Back in 1994 we were second ever streaming audio live over internet.
I cut through an active bee hive once. It was cold and they were not active. Could have been bad. Used a crane to lift the whole top. Honey was flying and pouring out everywhere!
sallymaggiespotty: Sally, when you say something like that, and people are chiming in from multiple countries, it would be nice to hear where you are from.
well next winter I turn 60 yrs old so you and me know tree work takes a toll on the old bones people that think they are in shape try up in a tree for couple hours in spikes
I am in new York so different ball game here have found in pine wood bores leaches even ants and those nasty termites ants with wings been a climber and doing trees for over 30 yrs sadly now im grounded due to a hip replacement last winter I miss it
+Stump Grinding I used to do that job. Power Substations were the worst. I just felt sick and irradiated all the time doing that work. It is just not worth the money, leukemia or the chance of getting deep fat fried because the power was ''supposed to be shut off'' (I did live line clearance too). I don't miss that job at all.
A little story. (nothing to do with this video)When I was young,,me and friend had a tree barber chair. And it almost killed my friend. We cut a standing dead ash,,and it fell into a large live tree,,and hung up.Putting stress on the live tree.
We had no idea how dangerous that was at the time.My friend notched it and started the back cut on the live tree,, when it split. It happened fast,,,creating a large pivot point. It grabbed his coat,,threw him in the air,,chainsaw and all.
The split ran 8 foot high before it broke,,leaving a huge leaver,,the top of tree hit ground,,,and launched the trunk into the air. Slamming to the ground inches from his head!!!
Yep it happened fast and I was standing there watching the whole thing. It's been 30 years since this happened and we still talk about it occasionally.
5153flash lucky to be alive!
That's pretty neat how you got the guy with the guitar and band to stand behind you while doing this video.
design.logic yeah, they follow me around
Better than a Mexican Mariachi Band. lol
Just imagine how this feels from the perspective of an ant. A giant machine with flashing metal teeth four ants high and dozens of ants long starts ripping apart your home, and any ant unfortunate enough to be caught in the path, then your whole home falls over, before a roaring tornado sends you flying off into the grass, so far from home. You watch, helplessly, as your friends and family fly through the air to land all around you some never to be seen again. Then the ripping machine starts again and your home is torn to pieces and carted off to parts unknown. How will you start over? How will you rebuild? And what was the fate of ant #11,513?
Kurgosh1 😳
Rest in peace Mighty Monterey Pine. You will be remembered in video and in song.
We cut down a dead pine for firewood one time whilst in a hunting camp at 9,000' in the San Jan mountains.
I guess the ants living in it wanted even more altitude, as their nest went from base to more than 50' up the inside of the trunk.
I cut a rotten tree down like that and birds came in and feasted on the carpenter ants in it. They were in their glory!
Up here in the Pacific Northwest back when I was doing tree work I took down and removed many pines where the roots were gone because of tiny red ants . Not sure if tree was sick or ants themselves killed the trees . Many were one wind storm away from crushing a house or person .
another name for an anteater is an Uncle
Had fire wood years ago with ants frozen in it. No problem their dead, till you take in the house. Warning frozen ants come back to life.
Seriously???
Yup, some ants hibernate. They sleep during the winter, but raising the temperature can wake them up... it depends on the species. some respond to temperature... others have an internal clock and will continue to sleep.
Trip
Lindenbum: Yes they do. So don't warn them.
Don't warm frozen firewood with ant's in them, keep them away!!!
There IS something creepy about ants inside a tree. The parasitic idea maybe?
My initial thought was that the face cut was way too deep. But given that the height of the tree left was too short, and that you had a cable on it, having such a deep face cut set the center of gravity back causing there to be less leverage against pulling. Great job!
Boo Radley thank you. Somebody with an open mind
Lmao! The change in gravity had them falling off and dripping like water! 2:00 Take that you blasted ants!
I don't even know how I ended up here, now I feel all itchy!
+8700s14 - It's THEM!!!
8700s14: Our piggy friend, down below, would say to put oinkment on it!
rahkin rah love that movie!😅
@@rahkinrah1963 Sadly, I remember watching it in a theater in Maine after returning from England, it came out in '53 and I was five in '56 so it was a creature feature by then. Dang good movie.
Japanese are very skilled lumberjacks. They take their time but are meticulous and accurate with their falling techniques
Yes that is obviously a generalization
Old school understanding of wood
we were out in Ca. dead wooding in a state park to ensure camper safety. I was topping a dead tree about 80' up. the top was only another 40' or so, and it had a hole in it big enough for an owl. as I was making my back cut I got hit by these solid black bees or hornets. (they looked like big bees) I stopped cutting and as I repelled down they stung me all the way. hit the ground and ran and they followed me to a small creek. I was so swollen the foreman took me to a clinic and they gave me histamine shots. he was nice enough to let me finish the job the next day, with two cans of wasp spray.
Michigan Mister wow, you were lucky that you could get down fast!
That's something new here in NC, I've noticed a big uptick of fire ants in pine tree's externally and internally. Normally carpenter ants are the biggest pest, but the fire ants are taking over.
I would not like climbing a tree and discovering fire ants!
arboristBlairGlenn Me either, it SUCKS!
+bbigrocker1
Never heard of fire ants until had to do a 2 year job in Louisiana. Went to turn the water on and there were ants all over it. Reached in and became an enemy to thousands of them. DAMN!
+bbigrocker1
They're in Missouri now too. Along with Armadillos, never saw one growing up now there are almost as many dead armadillos as there are dead possums now. Can't decide which is dumber.
rick charles Funny how a lot of things are changing in nature. Global warming?
Giant undercut did not matter much because it was only a tall "stump" , no canopy . In the Pacific NW in the 80s I did a fair amount of tree work and saw many pine trees apparently killed by tiny red ants . Here , often the root ball would be severely damaged and the tree would fall on a house because of it . Had a job to remove a tree that was rubbing the eve and when taking it down I found the ants . Checked other trees on property and removed 11 more .
this calls for gas and a torch
I wonder how confused those ants must've been after seeing sun light for the first time in their life.
Biggest black ants I have ever seen is in locust trees here. Huge. Probably almost an inch long. Made a tastee snack....lol
Get the blower? hell no, get the flame thrower!!!
thats was my though, bit of gas and a match, fried ants.
That is just weird - didn't think ants liked pine.
It surprised me!
nice notch. I was surprised on some of your pictures that you didn't notch deeper.
One of my guys did the notch cut. I would have done it different but because we pulled the trunk down with the Bobcat, I was not worried. Sometimes I let one of the younger guys do a felling cut, (when it's a clear area), and then talk about why the tree fell the way it did. Learning is about doing and making mistakes is often a good teacher.
Jorge's the man!
the hell with the leaf blower, break out the Ant Eater !!!!!
I'll stop by the zoo and see if I can borrow one😁
Perfect cut !!
The trees defence, oil, was dried up and consumed by decay (in that locality) long before the ants showed up.
Pouring gas from your saw on them slows them down.
Gas?
arboristBlairGlenn Sorry, i presumed you were a climber. My mistake.
A climber doesnt want a couple of thousand or even a couple of hundred ants pouring out of the cut he just made.
In my youth i would use tree paint from the can permanently affixed to my belt.
The best thing is to pour gason em. They turn upside down like in a cartoon, pretty neat.
One time about 30 years ago i gassed a nest we opened up cutting a log on the ground. I wanted to light it for fun but didnt have matches. In the time it took to get a light the gas must have soaked into the sawdust and porous ant-heim so it just lit up a little like a primus stove. After a minute or two it blew throwing up a ten foot diameter cloud of big carpenter ants and their sawdust. A nice surprise! I called it "ant Hiroshima", which was kinda callous but I was young.
So yeah buddy-boy you can advise the men that climb that a slosh of gas will slow down the ants considerably.
Glad to help, always, message me if there is anything else you need to know.
hetchiballi I am a climber for 42 years
arboristBlairGlenn 42 years and you never thought to use your saws fuel and lube to slow down ants when you make a cut and they start pouring out?
I did it my first year.
I aint tryin to run you down but i was kinda surprised to see you question my gas treatment for ants. What do you do when you b7mp into 500-1000 ants in a tree?
Ever get bit by em? Where do get the bites?
Ants in our part of the world are not as bad as I have heard stories. Ants down under will eat you alive. Here, they are an irritation but not that bad.
that's how ants eat a pine from the inside out
Here in center italy I often find ants at the base of pine trees( pinus pinea ) but also in cavities up in the tree inside old big cuts
giordanone not here. Thanks for commenting
Looks like you need to ask Santa for a flame thrower...
FWIW, the ant species was definitely Velvety Tree Ant. They don't harm healthy live wood.
Maybe they are those newly invasive "Argintine Ants." They love wood. Don't know about pine but they made all the over here to Salt Lake and have taken up in my 100 yr old willows.
Ants do take to willows but not (generally), pines
Back in my cord wood days I was splitting some stuff I'd just bucked up and hit the main part of a nest of carpenter ants. I shut the tractor off (3pt. hitch splitter) and there were so many you could hear them walkng around.
8x56 that too was a surprise!
On a healthy live tree a felling notch (Cut) should be between within 25-33% (max 1/3) of diameter with a good hinge behind it. A dead Radiata Pine, with termite tree infestation would cause me to stay at the lower end just in case.
Were those ants TRAPPED inside that tree??? How did they get in there in the first place???
Well with ants there is never just two.
Do the ants nest in the tree because it is dead or do they move into a tree that has an opening and then compromise the tree's life by their presence?
We find ants in living oak trees all the time. Some comments state that they see ants in pines in other parts of the world. What I know about my part of the world of trees is completely different in other areas.
+Javan Huntley it is different here. Beetles yes, and that was what killed the tree. I was surprised by the massive ant flood.
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That face cut was pretty deep. Run the risk of losing that tree if there is any decay on the back cut side or even a good gust of wind.
I agree, I talked with George about that. Not sure why he did it so deep but there wasn't any foliage so a wind gust was not an issue. Also, we had it tied back to the Bobcat to pull it down. The only reason I post this was because of the ants. I don't see ants in pines. Oaks, ash, elm yes, but not pines. Decay in pines is not too common. This tree recently died.
arboristBlairGlenn Yes, I am not criticizing, just pointing it out. I have been cutting a lot of directional felling of dead ash lately so have been pretty attentive to holding wood and the level of control that you have in some situations. Keep up the good work, I enjoy your videos.
I love it when I get comments. We all keep learning and that's one of the best things about these videos. I learn something every day!😀
That was a perfect hinge left on the trunk of that tree. I see so many amateurs make their back cut all the way through. That is why so many of them experience a nasty kick-back.
Realizing you couldn't have eradicated all these ants,, was it pointless not at least attempting to eliminate the majority of them instead of blowing them away from this particular tree whereas they'll more than likely inhabit the next closest one causing damage to it as well? Am I "barking up the wrong tree" with my question? A quick shot of 409 house cleaner takes care of these suckers in a heartbeat!
First off, ants did not kill this tree. They moved in to a decay pocket.
Second, my only concern here was to get the job done. Using the blower enabled us to finish without having to work around any toxic substance or masses of sticky, dead ants.
+arboristBlairGlenn 10-4 Glenn. I was always under the impression carpenter ants actually dined off living cellulose of tree fiber but after some further research,, I see they can't. According to the article I read,, they're only capable of eating & digesting the decayed after product the tree itself is shedding layer by layer. I understood you & your crew probably wouldn't want to spray the ants down with any type of prescribed ant killer,, that's why I suggested the 409,, a normal household spray cleaner that stops them dead in their paths & I didn't know whether this particular tree retained any value at the mill which would probably be reluctant taking in logs sprayed down with pesticides. You kept me on my toes with the reply,, thanks. Stay safe out in the field,, taking down trees no matter how much experience can prove challenging at times,, one kickback for unknown reasons is all it takes for an unfortunate incident. Take care..
It was more about getting the job done. If I had something like 409, and understood it would work, I would have used it. I had a blower. Job done. Move forward to the next job.
What? 409 isn't part of your go to arsenal of tools you carry out in the field? And you call your self an arborist? ;)
Nice chaps. Didn't know Dickey made chainsaw protective pants.
Chaps are required in some parts of the world however, in other parts of the world, (like California), they have not become mandatory.
I had to take down a tree with bees in it once. Hole in the side with swarms around it. Luckily i could get the bucket truck in and didn't have to climb it from the bottom. Once I got close to the hole got back in the bucket and i started shaving off pieces til I just reached the top of the nest, then i went below and cut about an equal distance down, dropped the whole chunk into the dump truck...we trailed bees all the way to the dump.
Amazing creatures, ants. Sad their home was destroyed.
You guys do a great job, excellent video production too.
We have the large black ants here in south Jersey . The giant oaks are suffering bad because of them
Every dead pine tree I've seen has had ants in them, even some of my live ones
TheBaconScientist Not in our area---this was very unusual
Total nightmare!!!
I hate ants!!!
If I would have been there when that ginormous colony was discovered, I would have ran away screaming, then collapsed!
Remember Harrison Ford in the Mosquito Coast ( movie ) ? War on ants, ! total war ! ...
Good one!
Did all the anteaters for 5 miles around swarm the tree?
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I hope they found a new home
that guy with the helmet on has the wrong kind of gear for handling a chainsaw
Were any ants harmed in the making of this video?
Very odd considering the potency of pine oil. Interesting post.
I don't find ants in pines
Those ants were not happy..
thats normal in central California... i see termite infestation or damage...not far behind ants take over there colonies or co exist in the coloney anyways... they are cousins...
is it just me or did that notch look WAY too deep?
Outdoor Dauber II don't know dick about cutting trees, but I thought exactly the same thing.
BuckGreywolfe you are right,
It doesn't matter!
I am a retired professional. It DOES matter how deep you make the undercut. If that tree had been defective then there could have been problems. Undercuts should be about 40% of horizontal distance. There is no need to go beyond 50%. Anyone who makes undercuts this deep is not as well trained as they need to be. Now in the defense of the crew: this tree butt was so short that not much could go wrong at this point, but you would never do this with the whole tree.
The deep undercut works on heavy leaners. It helps prevent barber chairs.
it was if the tree had been full length, but it was already trimmed way down.
Causing me to start itching just watching this. lol
Need to rig up a small blow-torch because those ants are just going to go destroy another tree.
This Monterey pine died from another problem. Engraver beetles and Pitch Canker disease. The ants did not kill the tree. They move into decay pockets.
+arboristBlairGlenn
Sorry Glenn, after reading my comment I was thinking of bagworms. An old guy I know had rigged up a thin pipe that would ooze some kind of oil. The goo was kept lit by a lighter of some kind. So it wasn't actually blowing fire, it just kept a flame going. He'd go from bag to bag burning the bag and it's occupants. I've never seen anything like that but his yard and a small apple grove (about 10 trees) behind his house were the only ones in the neighborhood with no bagworms. Have you seen anything like that?
btw after rereading my comment, it must have been very late at night, didn't make much sense to me either.
Cutting fire wood in NorCal I see several sorts of ants in pine frequently
that tree would have become really wind shook i would say those were carpenter Ants at least they wont have to remove that stump if they do not want to the Ants will do it for them
Looks like another fast growing urban tree out of its species natural environment, which is probably one possibility why this example did not produce enough defensive chemicals to deter ants. I could easily observe most of this Monterey's fat yearly produced growth rings which only added up to about 50 years of life.
The really sad part about this story is that they are all dying. She is 94 and was born here. Her parents planted the pines about 50 years ago and there are still many trees dying. I have never seen ants in a pine.
Yes, I thought Ants are deterred by Pines sticky sap. Are trees succumbing to pitch canker or drought. Or has anyone discovered other possible reasons why they are all dying in your region? As you know, its the professional certified Arborist who is on the front line making earliest discoveries of newest invasive Arthropods, Fungus, Bacteria etc. invading our continent. For example, it took some 12 yrs. of mysteriously dying Ash trees before confused Arborist who were unaware that no native Fraxinus Phloem borers produce "D" shaped exit holes finally asked Scientists to help identify. And it was an inquisitive tree owner here in Chicago who first discovered Asian Longhorn Beetle. _Thanks Blair for taking the extra time to regularly educate & entertain UA-cam subscribers._
CONCERTMANchicago Thanks Concertman, (I see your comments but don't know your real name?)
Thanks' for asking! My name is Scott Carlini, Chicagoland's volunteer tree historian. Morton Arboretum officials have nick named me _Scottie Ashtree seed_ since I am most all around knowledgeable on Emerald Ash borer subject, educating distant communities across North America on how to survey for and protect their best 100-180 old founder planted examples. Along with preservation efforts involving Olmsted, Frank Lloyd Wright and Jens Jensen installed trees. The National park service is protecting Jefferson's 200 old planted Ash, and a 250+ old example young George Washington did not cut down next to families famed Cherry tree. Fresno named after locally evolved Ash species, and White Ash is credited with being our planets progenitor of world's Fraxinus tree family. The handle Concertman was my DJ name on "Rebel radio", a heavy metal station out of Chicago. Back in 1994 we were second ever streaming audio live over internet.
Thanks Scott. Maybe we can meet at a conference someday.
well at least we know why the tree died, gd ants!
You think you were surprised, what about the ants!
Better the ants in your pine than ants in your pants!
nice stihl. what size.?
I remember a time when this happened to me but with wasps.
Great Music !! What Track is that please ?? and by who
Good job men, you too Glenn Lol
Need to put an aardvark on payroll.
You made flying ants!!
nice undercut😂😂😂 that's gotta be 3/4+ of the way through😂
A lot better than wasp's
in the Florida the fire ants are almost as bad as wasps. I'm sure they could kill you if you bit enough
+Rob Sweeney I'm so glad we don't have fire ants here!
Not looking forward to cutting into any wasp nest at all... I've been fortunate so far.. Man that would suck...
I cut through an active bee hive once. It was cold and they were not active. Could have been bad. Used a crane to lift the whole top. Honey was flying and pouring out everywhere!
Yeah it sure could have been bad... Especially if you were rigged in up high or topping it... Did you keep any of the honey? :-)
We have ants in most all our pines and hickory and oaks.
Hate it when they show up while up in the tree😁
sallymaggiespotty: Sally, when you say something like that, and people are chiming in from multiple countries, it would be nice to hear where you are from.
Blair, nice video, thank you for sharing. What is the name for the music that you play in the back ground? Thanks againg for the video.
stabenw sorry, *again
The music is from a video music program that allows me to build a piece to the right length. Thank for commenting
next step when encounters something like this, is to learn to hold camera still instead of flicking it around..
Thomas Jansson damn ants in my pants!!!
How did I get here from Best Massage Parlours in Texas?
where I live all the Pines have ants.
Buy your guys some proper ear protection. As if ear buds are gunna do anything
I cut into a 42 inch oak full of ants quit a surprise
Don't like ants!
Fire Wood?
Whoa!
Should have spared the ant down with bug spare they will be everywhere now.
Auto correct on?
+arboristBlairGlenn
The Apple Mac and its auto spell / text saboteur software ha ha ha
+Teri and TL Stanbro
The ants were everywhere to start with, its their habitat.
Messing with eco systems is a bad idea.
i got ants in my pants
John Doe me too😳
YOU WERE SURPRISED TO FIND ANTS IN A ROTTEN OLD TREE? WHAT DID YOU EXPECT TO FIND?
When you type in all caps, it feels like you are shouting at me.
OOPS SORRY ABOUT THAT MY KEYBOARD IS BROKEN
Good to know it.. Good video
well next winter I turn 60 yrs old so you and me know tree work takes a toll on the old bones people that think they are in shape try up in a tree for couple hours in spikes
Old guys rule!
Better than ants in your pants. ;^)
I have had ants and termites in pine in many occasions nothing new probably depends of what state u live in
Not common in this part of California. Often in Oaks
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Pour club soda or tonic water quickly ants died
Are those ants coming out of the tree????
Yes, that was the unexpected surprise!
I hate ants full stop.
Flame thorwer is needed
damn what a wedge!
that is extremely unusual I've never seen it
I am in new York so different ball game here have found in pine wood bores leaches even ants and those nasty termites ants with wings been a climber and doing trees for over 30 yrs sadly now im grounded due to a hip replacement last winter I miss it
Sorry about your bad hip. If I were grounded, I would feel like a fish out of water.
Those look like termites to me.
red ants, believe me, I know....
pterodactyl ants, trust me I know...
nice helmet :)
+paszczax - I think it is a Petzl rock climbing helmet. It IS a nice helmet...but a little small.
I seen alot of this when i lived and felled trees beside power lines in Sweden
Not common in California
+Stump Grinding
I used to do that job. Power Substations were the worst. I just felt sick and irradiated all the time doing that work. It is just not worth the money, leukemia or the chance of getting deep fat fried because the power was ''supposed to be shut off'' (I did live line clearance too).
I don't miss that job at all.
ants and bees!