I absolutely love what you guys do. Even though what you guys talk about isn't my preferred genre I really enjoy hearing you talk about this stuff. I always tune in every Friday at some point during the day. Keep it up. You are teaching me music history and that is so important for future generations.
My Monsters Of Rock in Indianapolis was in July/1988. The lineup order was Kingdom Come, Metallica, Dokken, Scorpions, Van Halen. I was 14 and it one of the best days of my life.
I saw Monsters of Rock in Akron (day 1). It was well over 100 degrees for both days and the only relief was the occasional firehose spray from the stage in between bands. I couldn’t have asked for a better bill at the time.
@@vistalite yes, it was a dream bill and Van Halen on the 5150 tour was the only band I had ever seen to that point, because I was only 14. This was at the old Hoosier Dome, so it wasn’t hot. I was really excited to see Metallica and Dokken.
Saw them in Detroit at the old Pontiac Silverdome. People were throwing toilet paper rolls from the upper deck down on to the lower level. Crazy night.
Heart is one of the first bands that come to mind when I think of a band that totally embraces the 80's. The image was very 80's and the songs took on that era's production. A little hit and miss with songs. They were critical of this era later on.
Very true. I know they look the other way during that era but still they produced some amazing tunes. The "Heart" album ranks very high for me, they work it well.
Great stuff guys. Friday at the Fun house is always something I look forward to and it seldom disappoints. This was a real interesting episode. An early Christmas treat.
"Raise Your Fist & Yell" is a pretty heavy album. Alice even admitted he felt like he peaked as far as being heavy lyrically and musically on that album. Songs like "Chop Chop Chop", "Time to Kill" "Prince of Darkness" and "Roses on White Lace" are killer. I agree that "Constrictor" is more commercial and glam sounding though. When Alice recorded "Trash" he went for more of a glam and sexual tone to the songs since he was playing to a broader audience. "Hey Stoopid" is still commercial but a pretty good album. "The Last Temptation" is an amazing album and I'm happy I got to see that tour.
@@broken1394 Raise Your Fist is my favorite Alice album, but Constrictor is special to me also since it was the first album he did coming out of retirement. I love Kane Roberts guitar tone on those 2 albums. I was in the US Army when Trash came out and I bought it right away. Loved it too. "Why Trust You" is a really heavy track on that album. In college I bought Hey Stoopid and loved all the different guitar players featured on the various tracks.
Due to my age, I was just getting into hard rock and metal in the mid to late1980s. Raise Your Fist and Yell was the first Alice Cooper album I ever heard. Ever since then its been my favourite by him or the AC Band too.
KISS - Creatures of the Night, and Lick it Up were also pretty Heavy, as was Scorpions - Blackout. Alice Cooper just followed the sequence Hair Metal Glam was headed. Motley Crue - Too Fast For Love and Shout At the Devil were both pretty Heavy albums, and they really kicked off the entire Hair Metal Glam movement. Hair Metal actually began as an actual Metal movement, and then gravitated towards a more AOR Pop music that became less Metal as the scene became bigger and more popular. Alice Cooper , KISS, and Scorpions just rolled with the changes. Or maybe they could be considered responsible for the lighter weight direction that Hard Rock bands decided to experiment with. Love At First Sting from early 1984 was definitely a light weight Pop oriented album for a Hard Rock Heavy Metal band to record
@@godetonter4764 Quiet Riot helped pave the way for many of the early Glam metal bands too such as Ratt, and Dokken. With Metal Health being a success the big record companies started signing up everyone.
@@charlesbronson4282 Exactly! And don't forget the bubble gum cards, dolls and 6th. grader lunch boxes. Through all the fog Pete and Ace knew it was the wrong direction but get blamed for almost everything .
Aerosmith, in my opinion, is the preeminent example of one of the best, hardest-rocking, most ferocious bands of the 1970s completely and antithetically flipping in the 80s, 90s, and beyond to become one of the worst bands out there turning out embarrassing dreck. With the exception of "Honkin' On Bobo" from this later period (which is an excellent straight-up homage to the blues), I only listen to 1970s Aerosmith in their golden heyday. Two entirely different bands.
Yes sir! Well said. I'll always wonder why Joe and Brad would just go along with the "BALLAD-ITIS" that Tyler was stricken with, Steven misplacing his balls and going for radio gold and attempting to steal Britney Spears audience! And Tom and Joey....were they totally on board with this limp, corporate, generic, craptastic drek ??? Aerosmith totally smeared their reputation, they shit on their legacy. I have to put the blame on all members, but Tyler has to swallow most of the criticism.....sad.
I knew KISS would be mentioned. An important point that can not be understated - although the “grunge” crowd didn’t go in for 1980’s “hair metal”, they absolutely loved 1970’s KISS - and the dislike of 80’s hair metal applied to them here as well, none of the grunge bands or kids were interested in anything after Love Gun. There was a general wave of 1970’s nostalgia in the 1990’s, and Gene and Paul knew that they could tap into this - if they brought 70’s KISS back, they could get these new grunge kids who loved that stuff (a lot of whom really wished they could have been at those shows in the ’70’s) PLUS the old fans who loved it the first time around. They hit two demographics at once. Win/win. It was a smart move on their part to do the reunion. It paid off. KISS were on the cover of SPIN magazine with four separate covers. They had TWO tribute albums released during this time (covering all 70’s songs, of course). They made guest appearances on several talk shows and award programs. The 96 tour was possibly the biggest one they ever did and the most talked about tour of that year. But, eh… I’d have to say they’re really running on fumes now - going on a “farewell” tour that’s lasted a couple decades now…
KISS conquered the world twice. The second time was with the Reunion in 1996. They were absolutely hands down the biggest band in the world with the number one tour...and they were again, like in the late seventies, on EVERY magazine cover known to man. They owned '96 and '97.
@@charlesbronson4282 Popular = Yes! They sold their image probably better than anyone else in rock history & that (along with millions of adoring teenage fans in the 70's who 20 years later in the 90's are nostalgic for their teenage faves) equals lots of sales & magazine covers. No argument there at all... There's a web site that lists 'The Best Rock Band in the World, every year since 1969' - their criteria: "Taking into account record sales, accomplishments, buzz, quality of music and overall awesomeness". According to them the 'best' for 1996 was Smashing Pumpkins & for '97 it was Radiohead (neither are bands I really like). In terms of touring $'s they did seem to make the most in '96 (beating out Garth Brooks by some $9 million), but the Stones win 1997 easily with Kiss not even in the top 10 for that year - in fact the total Stones take that year is almost twice what Kiss made the prior year (and The Stones weren't exactly burning it up music wise in the 90's). Just to point out that that popularity stat doesn't necessarily equal great music. The '96 touring success was definitely the product of having basicaly vanished from the public eye for 15+ years & then making a Grammy appearance in full makeup that year. Don't know how many magazine covers they graced in those two years but their '97 Carnival Of Souls didn't exactly set the world on fire (#27 on the US charts), and no album in '96. 1998's Psycho Circus did better...
Great show ! I love Aerosmith from 72 to 84. They lost me in the late 80s. But, what a great band in the 70s. My heros as a kid. I got to see them in 78, 80, 81, and more. Tyler and Perry
Great show guys! I saw the Monsters of Rock tour in 1988 at the Akron Rubber Bowl. Same line up as you mentioned Pete and I had a blast. I too did not care for the Scorpions Savage Amusement record or the one after but they rocked in concert! Looking back now I'm so glad I saw Metallica then as Justice is still my favorite record of theirs.
Grunge was basically invented by Black Flag in the early 80's, they liked Black Sabbath but cross-pollinated with punk to create grunge. Several grunge bands have said they liked Black flag's really slow and weird songs. Pearl Jam I guess was the 90's answer to 70's stadium rock, but I don't think Nirvana, Soundgarden, or particularly Alice n Chains really sound like any particular 70's band or genre.
Think ZZ Top wouldve been an interesting band to discuss for this. Definite change to the sound in the 80s but I guess more in a poppier direction than hair metal. Then with Antenna and XXX kind of a big return to form.
I would argue that Sabbath's Cross Purposes does participate in the grunge thing on at least one track. To my ears "Virtual Death," is almost a dead ringer for Alice In Chains. I would also say that Rush Counterparts and Sabbath's Dehumanizer weren't grunge records per se, I do think they did embrace a darker much more streamlined sound that was in line with the grunge aethestic. Anyway, interesting topic guys
an overlooked album from late 80s is billy squiers 1989 hear and now album. its got a lot of rocking songs on it and a great power ballad called dont let me go. billy slightly dipped his toe into the hair metal thing with the video for dont say you love me.
Not a popular choice for Priest fans, I still enjoy "Ram it Down". Not as much as the old days, juvenile lyrics are also a problem for me on this and "Painkiller". Nice you bring up Fight, loved those albums!!
Agree Pete, say what you will (and Ken Golden sure has things to say about them LOL!), but Chaim Witz and Stanley Eisen always know what they are doing in the music business. Some would say they are basically shrewed accountants. 😁
One thing I don't understand, and maybe I'm deaf, but Cross Purposes, is a top 5 Sabbath album for me. And, Tony Martin is a five star singer there. And that's that... cheers.
KISS albums from 1984 to 1989 are definitely low for me. Can't really listen to those today other than "King of the Mountain" and maybe "Burn Bitch Burn". However, I will never forget when "Revenge" came out in 1992. They were back and that is still a great album to this day!
I got on board with Kiss with Alive II. I held on as long as I could, which lasted to Asylum, then I bailed. The only studio album I've purchased since then was Psycho Circus, and I should've skipped that one too.
@@independenceltd. I have stuck with them through the years (on board in the early 80s and went back). There have been ups and downs for sure. Revenge is quite a bit better than Psycho Circus IMO.
I liked their very last album Monster, pretty rockin' and aggressive, mainly Paul's input and he wanted to go out with a strong album - I think he succeeded! You hear it?
I think Aerosmith is a unique case. I think MTV sort of used them to look legitimate and say sort of "Hey look we play classic bands, we're not just hair metal" it benefited both of them obviously. Aerosmith would be nothing without MTV, I don't believe their older music translated to younger audiences like Led Zeppelin or Sabbath. They would probably be on the level of Blue Oyster Cult without MTV
I think most 1980s bands would have had a hard time without MTV. The underground metal bands and jam bands would be the only real exceptions, but the list of bands that made it, or made it bigger due to MTV is pretty much a who's who of rock and roll. I think there was still some nostalgia for Aerosmith going into the mid-1980s from younger people. But you're right, their career was pretty much headed towards "toast" until the Run DMC collaboration. You mention Blue Oyster Cult - they are a weird one. To me they were hard to figure out. They were really doing well in the 1970s and early 1980s and then their popularity just plummeted. I think they were just all over the map with their songs. They didn't really have a lane, like ZZ Top or AC/DC.
@flazjsg I just remember prior to 1985 only knowing Walk this way and Dream on. I had a lot of friends who liked classic bands, not once did I hear anyone mention Aerosmith. I feel MTV jumped on the hair bandwagon. They were playing a lot of harder rock earlier on, but I think they wanted to push the Van Halen type band who ironically didn't really have videos until 1984
36:43 ... I believe it was closer to one year for Purple to go back into the studio, not three years. The three year gap (from Pete) must be due to album release dates. October 1984 (almost 1985)...then January 1987 (close to 1986). Compared to YES, DP were quick. 😂
Great show could watch this stuff all day every day ;) Although not sure agree 'by 93 grunge was 'on its way out already' Martin? Probably wasn't far off but in 93 we had In Utero, Pearl Jam's V's, Candlebox? Then in 94 AIC released Jar Of Flies, Soundgarden Superunknown, STP was huge with Purple... Maybe not far from on the way out but I'd argue in 93 grunge was still the dominant genre ;)
Totally agree with picking Aerosmith. They would be my first choice too. They did an "amazing" job in the late 80's/early 90's (no pun intended). Personally I think it is some of their best material and they didn't miss a beat, considering the landscape had changed.
I was at Monsters of Rock at Alpine Valley, which was May 27, 1988. The order was: Kingdom Come, Metallica, Dokken, Scorpions and finally Van Halen. This was the first glimpse of Metallica with Jason Newstead. They played Harvester of Sorrow, which was essentially unknown (…And Justice did not come out until that September). Not sure why such tours did not continue, but Alpine was insanely packed, likely oversold. It was boiling hot, poorly staffed and the teenage crowd was going bananas. Fun at times, other times not (I missed Dokken’s entire set while I tried to get a soda. Crazy).
It would be cool if you guys did a similar video on 60's bands and that were still around during the blues rock, punk and disco eras of the 70's. Frankie Valli, Bob Dylan, Lou Reed, The Stones, etc...
Taking Whitesnake as a very very 70's sounding Band, they made a 180° turn in the mid 80's towards Hair Metal. Aerosmith was always a bit glam, so the change / adaption wasn't felt so strong.
This is why I like bands like AC/DC. They've essentially made the same album since they started out in the mid 70's -- just straight-out, no-frills, blues-based rock and roll!
20 years ago Angus was in an interview. The woman said, "So and so writer from a magazine said ACDC is only a band that has 10 albums that all sound the same." Angus replied, "Well, he's a goddam liar, because we have 11 albums that all sound the same."
you could also say that it affected the fans as well,as many more girls were all of a sudden on the scene,i can remember girls that were quite ordinary,then started turning up at the gigs,rock discos etc in thigh length bboots,big hair etc but unfortunately for me and some of the other guys,we didnt really dig the direction the music was going in,and i personally lost interest in the hard rock/metal scene for years lol reflecting on myself,i kind of went down the rush route,got the hair cut a bit shorter,red baggy jeans and a cavalry shirt,my old denin/leather ac/dc loving mate,accused me of turning into a poseur lol was still listening to some rock,but lots of strange left field music,the whole hair metal thing for me was a bit silly,glammy,superficial,poppy.loved early saxon,but they too kind of went down that route too,and i didnt really dig them until they got heavy again
Great episode guys! Pete I loved your choice of Ted Nugent especially related to Damn Yankees. They were one of the last bands to be very successful in the dying days of hair metal. Even though they weren't necessarily a hair metal band. Their success definitely opened them up to new fans who fully participated in that genre. To this day Hair Nation satellite radio plays Damn Yankees quite a bit. As well it was interesting to see Styx around this time trying their hand at hair metal with the very Def Leppard sounding Love Is The Ritual. As well Jack Blades and Tommy Shaw co-wrote several songs on Vince Neil's solo album which was definitely a result of their brush with hair metal recognition. Merry Christmas from Van Isle 🇨🇦
If there's one band that should have been able to do well in the 80s and especially the 90s, it's black Sabbath. i say "especially the 90s" because it's clear that most of those grunge bands owe a huge debt to them, and they would be the first to say so. I think Sabbath was just very unlucky, and all the lineup changes hurt them a lot. Love Tony martin's voice but ther'es always something just slightly "off" about those albums for me, though theya ll feature some great songs. Dehumanizer should have been bigger than it was. I even think Forbidden is slightly misunderstood and is not too bad of a Sabbath album.
Motley Crue is also an interest example : they were one of the hair metal symbols and when the wind changed, they tried a bit of grunge with the self-titled album with Corabi. Once the grunge was over, they did a reunion like... Kiss, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Sabbath and so many others
Not like you don't get a ton of suggestions already, but if you're ever revisiting Fleetwood Mac, how about top 10 Christine Mcvie songs? Still missing her loss....
that black sabbath era should most likely have been tonly iommi solo records , but either he or the record label felt black sabbath had more cache with the record buying public.
Vocals are so important in a band, I feel like these are more Tony Martin solo albums than Tony Iommi solo albums. Lyrics too. So there's a big bunch of personality from Martin - his voice and his thoughts.
@@MartinPopoff i understand your point but i am talking about who was the leader of the band which in this case was tony iommi. kind of like the j giels band i guess when peter wolf was clearly the "star of the show"
Except for Forbidden which is god awful I like the Martin era albums. TYR in particular is a great album. I loathe 95% of the hair band stuff so I'm glad Sabbath didn't participate. Now I do like a lot of the Grunge stuff. The Martin stuff didn't sell but good for them for doing there own thing.
I find it funny that people awarded AC/DC in the 90s by staying true to themselves in the 80s, but Sabbath weren't awarded at all by doing the same thing because I assume Dio's Sabbath had more of an 80's scent than the public wanted at the time Had Sabbath reunited with Ozzy in the early 90s they could had been one of the biggest fans of that period considering Pantera, Alice in Chains and Soundgarden couldn't had happened without them. Also I like to think Jake E Lee and Ray Gillen formed Badlands in order to remind their former Birmingham how to rock in the tail end of the 80's.
Monsters of Rock was Kingdom Come, Metallica, Dokken, Scorpions and Van Halen. In that order at least at the LA coliseum. The one concert I was actually scared for my safety. If you wonder why just search here on UA-cam for the Metallica "Riot" at the show.
Martin" "Wanter doesn't reallya rrive in Canada in December." oh...in Toronto, sure. Try moving to Edmonton. -42 the other day. or Thunder Bay, a bit closer to home...over a foot of snow in the last couple of days.
Great episode gentlemen. Maybe you guys have touched on this before , Im not sure. But one thing I think that gets lost sometimes in the conversation of 70-80s to 90s music is the culture difference. In the 70s and 80s sex sold....groupies were every where and everything was about a "good time" and living it up.....Then the 90s hit. Aids was now completely out there as a deterrent for groupies and the wild sex, the economy sucked and people in general didn't seam as happy so it wasn't as cool to release a love gun or a nothing but a good time as it was in 70s and 80s.
I really respect AC/DC for never changing their sound, especially during the hair metal/glam metal scene. Should they have released an album right after 'The Razors Edge'? Who knows, but I do find it annoying that after 'The Razors Edge,' it took the band longer and longer to release studio albums.
Stay safe during this storm in the Eastern and southern states Great show Aerosmith are a great band Rush certainly qualify great band i can see a very similar connection with porcupine tree Rush certainly had a connection with 80s bands in the uk Japan and ultravox as good examples Lastly porcupine tree are playing a metal festival next year hell festival Dam Yankees were a excellent band
Priest went the Thrash influence route with (RID & Painkiller), but they only picked from the aggressive energy and double bass rhythms. What would things have been like if they had picked from the lyrical content and progy (Rush like) rhythm complexity that Thrash learned from Priest pre- British Steel. Imagine Stained Class V2.0, since Metallica's 'One' is so very close to "Beyond the Realms of Death". It would have been majestic or 'Nostradumb-ass". just earlier.
I always thought Aerosmith's album sales took off in 1987, but this video surprised me. It showed they were on the top 10 starting in 1983 and the they fell off the list in 1987. Not what I would have expected (if their data is right of course!). ua-cam.com/video/a3w8I8boc_I/v-deo.html
Lot I want to comment on, but I never got the love for Razor's Edge (and I have a huge soft spot for Blow Up Your Video, despite half of it being dreck). Thunderstruck was obviously big, there was one other song I liked (track 3) but the rest of the album...yeah. As much as Purple jumped around, the quality of those albums stayed top notch. Kind of a miracle tbh. Boring to analyze, easy to enjoy the quality. Imagining Rush with a NWOBHM phase is interesting, but it doesn't mesh with their background. Too proggy to incorporate the dual guitars and simplistic riffing. Calling Painkiller a better Ram It Down is like saying a Tyrannosaurus is a better gecko. Slightly surprised no Van Halen mention. Might be beating a dead horse there though. 😇😇 Edit: Slight nod at the end, lol.
Rush were more about playing with sounds and technology it seems - Nothing but respect for Rush's talent and creativity. Aerosmith and Alice Cooper incorporated 80s LA style, without selling out, so much respect with them. Ted Nugent played into the image of the 80s, but he was kind of a predecessor of the 80s style anyway, so I could not call that "selling out": more like he accepted that hard rock had evolved and he didn't stay stuck in the 70s. KISS were similar to Ted in the 80s: they did well and can feel proud to have sold millions of records AFTER being the Broadway production behemoth of the 70s. However, in the Grunge era KISS was just lost, but it probably led to the reunion and makeup.
I can't listen to that era of Aerosmith anymore it's just bombastic junk to my ears. Alice constrictor to hey stoopid is great, been playing them a good bit just lately - that boy can wear different hats and the band are kick ass, hey stoopid would rank very high in my rankings of his work of what I love - Welcome will always be my number 1. Seventh Star is a cool l.p I love no stranger for love!! I feel a lot of peeps slept on Sabbath back then, me included, I just got dehumaniser on vinyl and I fuckin love it!! I'm mad at myself for not going to see that tour. I'll check a bit of Rush from the era, it's a blind spot. God gave rock and roll to ya!! 🙋🏻♂️
That Sabbath song is indeed great and quite bluesy too, which of course is why Hughes himself also would do it live later on there's a nice YT clip from Brazilian TV in '99. ua-cam.com/video/3Lv0Vw-OkRU/v-deo.html
Van Halen, somehow inspired Hair Metal, initially known a s Teeth Rock, because they were smiling showing teeth, and also being from LA. But somehow never went full Hair Metal.
Who were the worst hair death and grunge hype but big? Def Leppard cringe frat boys. Had one of those grunge Park guitar amps Hendrix blew it. Who were the most obscure? Most forgotten? Nobody ever mentions 80s hardcore Black Flag probably for a good reason they weren't MTV. Why Seattle and not some other City US? It should have been called Rust not grunge.Thrash always hated it but do have Mega Deaths Peace Sells. When daft Mullets ruled the 80s. What happened to pixie boots? Was there Japanese glam metal in the 80s?
In the very late 80's, the establishment cabal military industrial complex 13 bloodline ruling families met with the top record company execs, instructed them to take all the earnings from the 80's massive rock scene and buy privatized prisons. In 1992 bill clinton was instructed to sign the private prisons bill and it was off to the races. The record company execs now promoted dark druggy whiner music and gangster rap, actually causing a small underground civil war of east vs west and filled up their prisons with free slave labor. They did not care that music sales dropped continually through the 90's, all the way down 90% in album sales from 1990 to the year 2000 as their profits increased anyways. This is your real history of music in the u.s. (The 80's was the best musical decade by so far and away, there is no comparison, there was a variety of genre's of music available, it was not all in one small box and it was far more uplifting and positive music) The only bands as good as the 80's bands since are Nightwish, Avantasia, Within Temptation and Unleash the Archers.
I saw the Monsters of Rock show at Alpine Valley in Wisconsin back then and the Scorpions were the closing act . I was disappointed in Metallica . They were so overly loud and distorted that at times is just sounded like noise . Van Halen was really good but I thought the Scorpions were the best that day . Klaus injured himself running up the stairs they had behind the drum riser near the end of the show and the last 30 minutes or so was just instrumental jamming .
Except for "newer" ones like warrant and skid row, ALL of the 80's hair bands were 70's bands. That "scene" encompassed many different sounds and genres and was destroyed on purpose, when the clubs and fan base would have continued, most likely not as large, but easily a money maker. The establishment cabal running earth wants people sad, dead and to be killing each other, not free thinking people that are both business men and artists and their happy positive healing music. Notice the change, just as clinton signs privatized prison slave labor into being legal. (dark heroin music and gangster rap) No more actual singers and songwriters and people that could play their instruments that had sacrificed years of their early lives to become masters. (or are you talking about that mtv makeup wearing bs sideshow ?)
Thank you so much guys. That is the best birthday present I could ever wish for. Love the show and love you my Hannah 🤟❤️💜❤️💜❤️💜❤️
Happy Birthday!
Awesome man, and best to you and Hannah for the new year.
Many Happy returns. What a fantastic birthday present.
@@MartinPopoff Cheers martin. All the best to you and the family. Have an awesome Christmas and a happy new year 🤟🥳🤟❤️
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Great episode, boys!! However, the whole "no guitar solos in Grunge" statement is ludicrous. Cantrell & McCready are laughing heartily.
I like Kurts solos foreal
Happy Holidays good sir’s and to all the SOT family and viewers from The Captain 🎄
I absolutely love what you guys do. Even though what you guys talk about isn't my preferred genre I really enjoy hearing you talk about this stuff. I always tune in every Friday at some point during the day. Keep it up. You are teaching me music history and that is so important for future generations.
My Monsters Of Rock in Indianapolis was in July/1988. The lineup order was Kingdom Come, Metallica, Dokken, Scorpions, Van Halen. I was 14 and it one of the best days of my life.
I saw that tour in Minneapolis. What a blast.
@@gwts1171 yea. I was still 14, turned 15 in August, and I was able to go after winning a pair of tickets off of the radio.
I saw Monsters of Rock in Akron (day 1). It was well over 100 degrees for both days and the only relief was the occasional firehose spray from the stage in between bands. I couldn’t have asked for a better bill at the time.
@@vistalite yes, it was a dream bill and Van Halen on the 5150 tour was the only band I had ever seen to that point, because I was only 14. This was at the old Hoosier Dome, so it wasn’t hot. I was really excited to see Metallica and Dokken.
Saw them in Detroit at the old Pontiac Silverdome. People were throwing toilet paper rolls from the upper deck down on to the lower level. Crazy night.
This was a phenomenal podcast. Enjoyed this so much. Thanks Martin and Pete for your dedication and hard work to music.
Heart is one of the first bands that come to mind when I think of a band that totally embraces the 80's. The image was very 80's and the songs took on that era's production. A little hit and miss with songs. They were critical of this era later on.
Very true. I know they look the other way during that era but still they produced some amazing tunes. The "Heart" album ranks very high for me, they work it well.
Gawd I always forget how powerful Ann Wilson's voice is on the Heart stuff. The stuff rocks
Happy Holidays Martin and Pete. Thanks for another great year. Rock On in 2023!
Happy Holidays Pete and Martin. Love what you do and how you do it. Rock on!!
Great stuff guys. Friday at the Fun house is always something I look forward to and it seldom disappoints. This was a real interesting episode. An early Christmas treat.
Happy Holidays to the SoT family for another amazing year of YT content! Thank you, from a average dude who loves music and talking about it.
"Raise Your Fist & Yell" is a pretty heavy album. Alice even admitted he felt like he peaked as far as being heavy lyrically and musically on that album. Songs like "Chop Chop Chop", "Time to Kill" "Prince of Darkness" and "Roses on White Lace" are killer. I agree that "Constrictor" is more commercial and glam sounding though. When Alice recorded "Trash" he went for more of a glam and sexual tone to the songs since he was playing to a broader audience. "Hey Stoopid" is still commercial but a pretty good album. "The Last Temptation" is an amazing album and I'm happy I got to see that tour.
I liked Constrictor through to hey stoopid - all good records that have aged really well imo and with Alice in top form throughout.
@@broken1394 Raise Your Fist is my favorite Alice album, but Constrictor is special to me also since it was the first album he did coming out of retirement. I love Kane Roberts guitar tone on those 2 albums. I was in the US Army when Trash came out and I bought it right away. Loved it too. "Why Trust You" is a really heavy track on that album. In college I bought Hey Stoopid and loved all the different guitar players featured on the various tracks.
Due to my age, I was just getting into hard rock and metal in the mid to late1980s. Raise Your Fist and Yell was the first Alice Cooper album I ever heard. Ever since then its been my favourite by him or the AC Band too.
KISS - Creatures of the Night, and Lick it Up were also pretty Heavy, as was Scorpions - Blackout. Alice Cooper just followed the sequence Hair Metal Glam was headed. Motley Crue - Too Fast For Love and Shout At the Devil were both pretty Heavy albums, and they really kicked off the entire Hair Metal Glam movement. Hair Metal actually began as an actual Metal movement, and then gravitated towards a more AOR Pop music that became less Metal as the scene became bigger and more popular. Alice Cooper , KISS, and Scorpions just rolled with the changes. Or maybe they could be considered responsible for the lighter weight direction that Hard Rock bands decided to experiment with. Love At First Sting from early 1984 was definitely a light weight Pop oriented album for a Hard Rock Heavy Metal band to record
@@godetonter4764 Quiet Riot helped pave the way for many of the early Glam metal bands too such as Ratt, and Dokken. With Metal Health being a success the big record companies started signing up everyone.
Happy holidays Pete and Martin. Im ready for the last Rush book Martin. The first 2 were great
Gene and Paul dropped the ball in the late 70's turning Kiss into a family circus act.
their manager bill aucoin played a big part in turning kiss into a kiddy band even though i do like some songs on dynasty
Kiss dropped the ball with the solo albums and Phantom and Kiss Unmasked and Shandi and Gene's tin foil gargoyle costume
@@charlesbronson4282 phantom of the park is so bad its good
@@charlesbronson4282 Exactly! And don't forget the bubble gum cards, dolls and 6th. grader lunch boxes. Through all the fog Pete and Ace knew it was the wrong direction but get blamed for almost everything .
Kiss sucks and always has sucked. Now they influenced legions of bands. But I'm glad it wasn't me, it just missed me, thank gawd
I always loved the Alice Cooper albums "Raise Your Fist and Yell" and "Hey Stoopid!".
Aerosmith, in my opinion, is the preeminent example of one of the best, hardest-rocking, most ferocious bands of the 1970s completely and antithetically flipping in the 80s, 90s, and beyond to become one of the worst bands out there turning out embarrassing dreck. With the exception of "Honkin' On Bobo" from this later period (which is an excellent straight-up homage to the blues), I only listen to 1970s Aerosmith in their golden heyday. Two entirely different bands.
You nailed it.
Yes sir! Well said. I'll always wonder why Joe and Brad would just go along with the "BALLAD-ITIS" that Tyler was stricken with, Steven misplacing his balls and going for radio gold and attempting to steal Britney Spears audience! And Tom and Joey....were they totally on board with this limp, corporate, generic, craptastic drek ??? Aerosmith totally smeared their reputation, they shit on their legacy. I have to put the blame on all members, but Tyler has to swallow most of the criticism.....sad.
Merry Christmas Pete and Martin
I knew KISS would be mentioned.
An important point that can not be understated - although the “grunge” crowd didn’t go in for 1980’s “hair metal”, they absolutely loved 1970’s KISS - and the dislike of 80’s hair metal applied to them here as well, none of the grunge bands or kids were interested in anything after Love Gun.
There was a general wave of 1970’s nostalgia in the 1990’s, and Gene and Paul knew that they could tap into this - if they brought 70’s KISS back, they could get these new grunge kids who loved that stuff (a lot of whom really wished they could have been at those shows in the ’70’s) PLUS the old fans who loved it the first time around. They hit two demographics at once. Win/win.
It was a smart move on their part to do the reunion. It paid off. KISS were on the cover of SPIN magazine with four separate covers. They had TWO tribute albums released during this time (covering all 70’s songs, of course). They made guest appearances on several talk shows and award programs. The 96 tour was possibly the biggest one they ever did and the most talked about tour of that year.
But, eh… I’d have to say they’re really running on fumes now - going on a “farewell” tour that’s lasted a couple decades now…
It's tough not to call Kiss great marketers & salesmen of their 'brand'. I'd have no problems featuring them in an issue of Adweek or Ad Age
KISS conquered the world twice. The second time was with the Reunion in 1996. They were absolutely hands down the biggest band in the world with the number one tour...and they were again, like in the late seventies, on EVERY magazine cover known to man. They owned '96 and '97.
@@charlesbronson4282 Popular = Yes! They sold their image probably better than anyone else in rock history & that (along with millions of adoring teenage fans in the 70's who 20 years later in the 90's are nostalgic for their teenage faves) equals lots of sales & magazine covers. No argument there at all...
There's a web site that lists 'The Best Rock Band in the World, every year since 1969' - their criteria: "Taking into account record sales, accomplishments, buzz, quality of music and overall awesomeness". According to them the 'best' for 1996 was Smashing Pumpkins & for '97 it was Radiohead (neither are bands I really like). In terms of touring $'s they did seem to make the most in '96 (beating out Garth Brooks by some $9 million), but the Stones win 1997 easily with Kiss not even in the top 10 for that year - in fact the total Stones take that year is almost twice what Kiss made the prior year (and The Stones weren't exactly burning it up music wise in the 90's). Just to point out that that popularity stat doesn't necessarily equal great music. The '96 touring success was definitely the product of having basicaly vanished from the public eye for 15+ years & then making a Grammy appearance in full makeup that year. Don't know how many magazine covers they graced in those two years but their '97 Carnival Of Souls didn't exactly set the world on fire (#27 on the US charts), and no album in '96. 1998's Psycho Circus did better...
My favorite Kiss albums are the 1982-1987, Creatures of the Night through Crazy Nights
Great show ! I love Aerosmith from 72 to 84. They lost me in the late 80s. But, what a great band in the 70s. My heros as a kid. I got to see them in 78, 80, 81, and more. Tyler and Perry
Haha. You're talking about the Toronto Winter (not Canada), Martin. It's -22C up in Winnipeg in December. The West is literally frozen to the bone!
And before we're even finished the show, Toronto gets hit with a blizzard.
@@MartinPopoff Hilarious stuff. Love your work!
Merry Christmas Guys! Thanks for the great entertainment all year long!
Very interesting talk guys, thanks so much for this! Happy Holidays!
Great show today gents. Really enjoyed this topic.
Always a pleasure hear from you both together! Keep on the great work! Good music needs this!! Salute from Rio, Brazil!!
Thank you so much guys for making my boys Birthday with this special message! Happy holidays 🙏❤️
Best present ever. I love you 🤟😍😍😍
Great show guys! I saw the Monsters of Rock tour in 1988 at the Akron Rubber Bowl. Same line up as you mentioned Pete and I had a blast. I too did not care for the Scorpions Savage Amusement record or the one after but they rocked in concert! Looking back now I'm so glad I saw Metallica then as Justice is still my favorite record of theirs.
Merry Christmas gentlemen , you guys have been entertaining me for a few years now . Thanks so much 👍🎄
I think the 70's bands that could make it through the 80's fit into the 90's well, since Grunge was really a re-boot of 70's classic rock/metal.
I absolutely love 70's rock (especially the more obscure bands) but generally dislike most Grunge
Grunge was basically invented by Black Flag in the early 80's, they liked Black Sabbath but cross-pollinated with punk to create grunge. Several grunge bands have said they liked Black flag's really slow and weird songs. Pearl Jam I guess was the 90's answer to 70's stadium rock, but I don't think Nirvana, Soundgarden, or particularly Alice n Chains really sound like any particular 70's band or genre.
Great series. I really look forward to Friday at the Funhouse. Great way to start the weekend.
Think ZZ Top wouldve been an interesting band to discuss for this. Definite change to the sound in the 80s but I guess more in a poppier direction than hair metal. Then with Antenna and XXX kind of a big return to form.
I would argue that Sabbath's Cross Purposes does participate in the grunge thing on at least one track. To my ears "Virtual Death," is almost a dead ringer for Alice In Chains.
I would also say that Rush Counterparts and Sabbath's Dehumanizer weren't grunge records per se, I do think they did embrace a darker much more streamlined sound that was in line with the grunge aethestic. Anyway, interesting topic guys
A very enjoyable show! Thanks guys and Merry Christmas to everyone!
Brilliant episode guys! I find this topic fascinating.
Another great show guys.Love my Friday mornings to watch.In Wisconsin this morning 17 below after 6 inches of snow
an overlooked album from late 80s is billy squiers 1989 hear and now album. its got a lot of rocking songs on it and a great power ballad called dont let me go. billy slightly dipped his toe into the hair metal thing with the video for dont say you love me.
Not a popular choice for Priest fans, I still enjoy "Ram it Down". Not as much as the old days, juvenile lyrics are also a problem for me on this and "Painkiller". Nice you bring up Fight, loved those albums!!
Agree Pete, say what you will (and Ken Golden sure has things to say about them LOL!), but Chaim Witz and Stanley Eisen always know what they are doing in the music business. Some would say they are basically shrewed accountants. 😁
One thing I don't understand, and maybe I'm deaf, but Cross Purposes, is a top 5 Sabbath album for me. And, Tony Martin is a five star singer there. And that's that... cheers.
Count me in. All the tony Martin albums are excellent. Sadly the “Only Ozzy” people try to dismiss those albums.
KISS albums from 1984 to 1989 are definitely low for me. Can't really listen to those today other than "King of the Mountain" and maybe "Burn Bitch Burn". However, I will never forget when "Revenge" came out in 1992. They were back and that is still a great album to this day!
I got on board with Kiss with Alive II. I held on as long as I could, which lasted to Asylum, then I bailed. The only studio album I've purchased since then was Psycho Circus, and I should've skipped that one too.
@@independenceltd. I have stuck with them through the years (on board in the early 80s and went back). There have been ups and downs for sure. Revenge is quite a bit better than Psycho Circus IMO.
I liked their very last album Monster, pretty rockin' and aggressive, mainly Paul's input and he wanted to go out with a strong album - I think he succeeded! You hear it?
@@treff9226 Yes I own it. I was happy with it. Don't listen to it much nowadays, but I do think Gene's songs were strong too.
Happy Christmas!
I think Aerosmith is a unique case. I think MTV sort of used them to look legitimate and say sort of "Hey look we play classic bands, we're not just hair metal" it benefited both of them obviously. Aerosmith would be nothing without MTV, I don't believe their older music translated to younger audiences like Led Zeppelin or Sabbath. They would probably be on the level of Blue Oyster Cult without MTV
I think most 1980s bands would have had a hard time without MTV. The underground metal bands and jam bands would be the only real exceptions, but the list of bands that made it, or made it bigger due to MTV is pretty much a who's who of rock and roll.
I think there was still some nostalgia for Aerosmith going into the mid-1980s from younger people. But you're right, their career was pretty much headed towards "toast" until the Run DMC collaboration.
You mention Blue Oyster Cult - they are a weird one. To me they were hard to figure out. They were really doing well in the 1970s and early 1980s and then their popularity just plummeted. I think they were just all over the map with their songs. They didn't really have a lane, like ZZ Top or AC/DC.
@flazjsg I just remember prior to 1985 only knowing Walk this way and Dream on. I had a lot of friends who liked classic bands, not once did I hear anyone mention Aerosmith. I feel MTV jumped on the hair bandwagon. They were playing a lot of harder rock earlier on, but I think they wanted to push the Van Halen type band who ironically didn't really have videos until 1984
36:43 ... I believe it was closer to one year for Purple to go back into the studio, not three years. The three year gap (from Pete) must be due to album release dates. October 1984 (almost 1985)...then January 1987 (close to 1986). Compared to YES, DP were quick. 😂
Great show could watch this stuff all day every day ;) Although not sure agree 'by 93 grunge was 'on its way out already' Martin? Probably wasn't far off but in 93 we had In Utero, Pearl Jam's V's, Candlebox? Then in 94 AIC released Jar Of Flies, Soundgarden Superunknown, STP was huge with Purple... Maybe not far from on the way out but I'd argue in 93 grunge was still the dominant genre ;)
Good point. I love In Utero and the Jar of Flies EP. I wasn't a big grunge fan looking back, Nirvana and AIC were my only two really.
Best musical discussion duo on the internet...merry Xmas!🥳
Totally agree with picking Aerosmith. They would be my first choice too. They did an "amazing" job in the late 80's/early 90's (no pun intended).
Personally I think it is some of their best material and they didn't miss a beat, considering the landscape had changed.
I was at Monsters of Rock at Alpine Valley, which was May 27, 1988. The order was: Kingdom Come, Metallica, Dokken, Scorpions and finally Van Halen. This was the first glimpse of Metallica with Jason Newstead. They played Harvester of Sorrow, which was essentially unknown (…And Justice did not come out until that September).
Not sure why such tours did not continue, but Alpine was insanely packed, likely oversold. It was boiling hot, poorly staffed and the teenage crowd was going bananas. Fun at times, other times not (I missed Dokken’s entire set while I tried to get a soda. Crazy).
thanks Martin for that book that I enjoyed until the last page KICKSTART MY HEART a motley crue day by day . keep it up bro
It would be cool if you guys did a similar video on 60's bands and that were still around during the blues rock, punk and disco eras of the 70's. Frankie Valli, Bob Dylan, Lou Reed, The Stones, etc...
Taking Whitesnake as a very very 70's sounding Band, they made a 180° turn in the mid 80's towards Hair Metal. Aerosmith was always a bit glam, so the change / adaption wasn't felt so strong.
Happy Birthday, David! Have a great one! Also, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, everyone! Furthermore, entertaining video, guys!
Cheers mate. What a birthday present 🤟🥳😅
I hear lots of grunge influence on Counterparts and Test for Echo. Alex Lifeson made his solo album at that time and it was even more grungy.
Great episode with some excellent insights into how several classic bands adapted or not, to the Hair Metal / Grunge eras! Merry Xmas Gents!
Great topic, great show! Nice to hear some Convo around Scorpions who I have often felt get over looked. 👍
This is why I like bands like AC/DC. They've essentially made the same album since they started out in the mid 70's -- just straight-out, no-frills, blues-based rock and roll!
20 years ago Angus was in an interview. The woman said, "So and so writer from a magazine said ACDC is only a band that has 10 albums that all sound the same." Angus replied, "Well, he's a goddam liar, because we have 11 albums that all sound the same."
you could also say that it affected the fans as well,as many more girls were all of a sudden on the scene,i can remember girls that were quite ordinary,then started turning up at the gigs,rock discos etc in thigh length bboots,big hair etc but unfortunately for me and some of the other guys,we didnt really dig the direction the music was going in,and i personally lost interest in the hard rock/metal scene for years lol reflecting on myself,i kind of went down the rush route,got the hair cut a bit shorter,red baggy jeans and a cavalry shirt,my old denin/leather ac/dc loving mate,accused me of turning into a poseur lol was still listening to some rock,but lots of strange left field music,the whole hair metal thing for me was a bit silly,glammy,superficial,poppy.loved early saxon,but they too kind of went down that route too,and i didnt really dig them until they got heavy again
Saw Scorpions in Montreal last summer. They sounded great! It was a great evening.
Scorps new album is excellent! Cool you saw them - always crush it, live! What a catalog of stellar songs to choose from! Klaus still a vocal God!
Great episode guys! Pete I loved your choice of Ted Nugent especially related to Damn Yankees. They were one of the last bands to be very successful in the dying days of hair metal. Even though they weren't necessarily a hair metal band. Their success definitely opened them up to new fans who fully participated in that genre. To this day Hair Nation satellite radio plays Damn Yankees quite a bit. As well it was interesting to see Styx around this time trying their hand at hair metal with the very Def Leppard sounding Love Is The Ritual. As well Jack Blades and Tommy Shaw co-wrote several songs on Vince Neil's solo album which was definitely a result of their brush with hair metal recognition. Merry Christmas from Van Isle 🇨🇦
If there's one band that should have been able to do well in the 80s and especially the 90s, it's black Sabbath. i say "especially the 90s" because it's clear that most of those grunge bands owe a huge debt to them, and they would be the first to say so. I think Sabbath was just very unlucky, and all the lineup changes hurt them a lot. Love Tony martin's voice but ther'es always something just slightly "off" about those albums for me, though theya ll feature some great songs. Dehumanizer should have been bigger than it was. I even think Forbidden is slightly misunderstood and is not too bad of a Sabbath album.
Motley Crue is also an interest example : they were one of the hair metal symbols and when the wind changed, they tried a bit of grunge with the self-titled album with Corabi. Once the grunge was over, they did a reunion like... Kiss, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Sabbath and so many others
With "Timebomb" Mr. U.D.O. Dirkschneider did a similar thing like JP with "Painkiller" around the same time.
Not like you don't get a ton of suggestions already, but if you're ever revisiting Fleetwood Mac, how about top 10 Christine Mcvie songs?
Still missing her loss....
Alright! Rush, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Kiss, Judas Priest, etc. ! Man I didn't see ANY of that comin' !
that black sabbath era should most likely have been tonly iommi solo records , but either he or the record label felt black sabbath had more cache with the record buying public.
Vocals are so important in a band, I feel like these are more Tony Martin solo albums than Tony Iommi solo albums. Lyrics too. So there's a big bunch of personality from Martin - his voice and his thoughts.
@@MartinPopoff i understand your point but i am talking about who was the leader of the band which in this case was tony iommi. kind of like the j giels band i guess when peter wolf was clearly the "star of the show"
Except for Forbidden which is god awful I like the Martin era albums. TYR in particular is a great album. I loathe 95% of the hair band stuff so I'm glad Sabbath didn't participate. Now I do like a lot of the Grunge stuff. The Martin stuff didn't sell but good for them for doing there own thing.
Yep Tyr was and still is unappreciated
Hey Pete it’s been a while since you did a rant, any chance we see a show of you ranting about the Neal Schon and Jonathon Cain feud?
Aerosmith went commercial after Done with mirrors..Fluff
You're spot on. Done with mirrors was their last great album.
I find it funny that people awarded AC/DC in the 90s by staying true to themselves in the 80s, but Sabbath weren't awarded at all by doing the same thing because I assume Dio's Sabbath had more of an 80's scent than the public wanted at the time
Had Sabbath reunited with Ozzy in the early 90s they could had been one of the biggest fans of that period considering Pantera, Alice in Chains and Soundgarden couldn't had happened without them.
Also I like to think Jake E Lee and Ray Gillen formed Badlands in order to remind their former Birmingham how to rock in the tail end of the 80's.
Monsters of Rock was Kingdom Come, Metallica, Dokken, Scorpions and Van Halen. In that order at least at the LA coliseum.
The one concert I was actually scared for my safety. If you wonder why just search here on UA-cam for the Metallica "Riot" at the show.
The thought of Rush doing a NWOHM album, though I dearly love Signals, is incredibly interesting.
Yes. Definitively remember how much stronger the songs was on "The Razors Edge" than the previous "Blow up your video"
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Seventh Star is a fantastic album.
great show! A few other choices I thought you could have gone for under this cat. - Heart, Ozzy and Whitesnake and maybe even Fleetwood Mac......
Crazy World was the last great Scorpions album,imo.
Martin" "Wanter doesn't reallya rrive in Canada in December."
oh...in Toronto, sure.
Try moving to Edmonton.
-42 the other day.
or Thunder Bay, a bit closer to home...over a foot of snow in the last couple of days.
Great episode gentlemen. Maybe you guys have touched on this before , Im not sure. But one thing I think that gets lost sometimes in the conversation of 70-80s to 90s music is the culture difference. In the 70s and 80s sex sold....groupies were every where and everything was about a "good time" and living it up.....Then the 90s hit. Aids was now completely out there as a deterrent for groupies and the wild sex, the economy sucked and people in general didn't seam as happy so it wasn't as cool to release a love gun or a nothing but a good time as it was in 70s and 80s.
Weird California sorta album.
Now that's an album title!
I really respect AC/DC for never changing their sound, especially during the hair metal/glam metal scene. Should they have released an album right after 'The Razors Edge'? Who knows, but I do find it annoying that after 'The Razors Edge,' it took the band longer and longer to release studio albums.
Stay safe during this storm in the Eastern and southern states
Great show
Aerosmith are a great band
Rush certainly qualify great band i can see a very similar connection with porcupine tree
Rush certainly had a connection with 80s bands in the uk Japan and ultravox as good examples
Lastly porcupine tree are playing a metal festival next year hell festival
Dam Yankees were a excellent band
We may need an episode on Rupert Hine!
Priest went the Thrash influence route with (RID & Painkiller), but they only picked from the aggressive energy and double bass rhythms. What would things have been like if they had picked from the lyrical content and progy (Rush like) rhythm complexity that Thrash learned from Priest pre- British Steel. Imagine Stained Class V2.0, since Metallica's 'One' is so very close to "Beyond the Realms of Death". It would have been majestic or 'Nostradumb-ass". just earlier.
BETWEEN THE WHEELS IS THE BEST RUSH SONG OF THAT ERA!
Killer tune but there's many from that time
I always thought Aerosmith's album sales took off in 1987, but this video surprised me. It showed they were on the top 10 starting in 1983 and the they fell off the list in 1987. Not what I would have expected (if their data is right of course!).
ua-cam.com/video/a3w8I8boc_I/v-deo.html
Lot I want to comment on, but I never got the love for Razor's Edge (and I have a huge soft spot for Blow Up Your Video, despite half of it being dreck). Thunderstruck was obviously big, there was one other song I liked (track 3) but the rest of the album...yeah.
As much as Purple jumped around, the quality of those albums stayed top notch. Kind of a miracle tbh. Boring to analyze, easy to enjoy the quality.
Imagining Rush with a NWOBHM phase is interesting, but it doesn't mesh with their background. Too proggy to incorporate the dual guitars and simplistic riffing.
Calling Painkiller a better Ram It Down is like saying a Tyrannosaurus is a better gecko.
Slightly surprised no Van Halen mention. Might be beating a dead horse there though. 😇😇 Edit: Slight nod at the end, lol.
Krokus would have been a good fit for this episode.
Rush were more about playing with sounds and technology it seems - Nothing but respect for Rush's talent and creativity. Aerosmith and Alice Cooper incorporated 80s LA style, without selling out, so much respect with them. Ted Nugent played into the image of the 80s, but he was kind of a predecessor of the 80s style anyway, so I could not call that "selling out": more like he accepted that hard rock had evolved and he didn't stay stuck in the 70s. KISS were similar to Ted in the 80s: they did well and can feel proud to have sold millions of records AFTER being the Broadway production behemoth of the 70s. However, in the Grunge era KISS was just lost, but it probably led to the reunion and makeup.
Kiss Revenge is a great album. One of my favorite from them.
I can't listen to that era of Aerosmith anymore it's just bombastic junk to my ears.
Alice constrictor to hey stoopid is great, been playing them a good bit just lately - that boy can wear different hats and the band are kick ass, hey stoopid would rank very high in my rankings of his work of what I love - Welcome will always be my number 1.
Seventh Star is a cool l.p I love no stranger for love!!
I feel a lot of peeps slept on Sabbath back then, me included, I just got dehumaniser on vinyl and I fuckin love it!!
I'm mad at myself for not going to see that tour.
I'll check a bit of Rush from the era, it's a blind spot.
God gave rock and roll to ya!!
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That Sabbath song is indeed great and quite bluesy too, which of course is why Hughes himself also would do it live later on there's a nice YT clip from Brazilian TV in '99. ua-cam.com/video/3Lv0Vw-OkRU/v-deo.html
Van Halen, somehow inspired Hair Metal, initially known a s Teeth Rock, because they were smiling showing teeth, and also being from LA. But somehow never went full Hair Metal.
Who were the worst hair death and grunge hype but big? Def Leppard cringe frat boys. Had one of those grunge Park guitar amps Hendrix blew it. Who were the most obscure? Most forgotten? Nobody ever mentions 80s hardcore Black Flag probably for a good reason they weren't MTV. Why Seattle and not some other City US? It should have been called Rust not grunge.Thrash always hated it but do have Mega Deaths Peace Sells. When daft Mullets ruled the 80s. What happened to pixie boots? Was there Japanese glam metal in the 80s?
.... what?
Stoopid
You should check out dead moon
In the very late 80's, the establishment cabal military industrial complex 13 bloodline ruling families met with the top record company execs, instructed them to take all the earnings from the 80's massive rock scene and buy privatized prisons. In 1992 bill clinton was instructed to sign the private prisons bill and it was off to the races. The record company execs now promoted dark druggy whiner music and gangster rap, actually causing a small underground civil war of east vs west and filled up their prisons with free slave labor. They did not care that music sales dropped continually through the 90's, all the way down 90% in album sales from 1990 to the year 2000 as their profits increased anyways. This is your real history of music in the u.s. (The 80's was the best musical decade by so far and away, there is no comparison, there was a variety of genre's of music available, it was not all in one small box and it was far more uplifting and positive music) The only bands as good as the 80's bands since are Nightwish, Avantasia, Within Temptation and Unleash the Archers.
I saw the Monsters of Rock show at Alpine Valley in Wisconsin back then and the Scorpions were the closing act . I was disappointed in Metallica . They were so overly loud and distorted that at times is just sounded like noise . Van Halen was really good but I thought the Scorpions were the best that day . Klaus injured himself running up the stairs they had behind the drum riser near the end of the show and the last 30 minutes or so was just instrumental jamming .
Pete, as a person who lives and breathes music for so long, did you ever have to deal with tinnitus?
I had it after a few live shows when young, drove me crazy. Must've done some damage I'm sure
Hair/Glam went Underground
Scorpions in the 90s: Last exit Kuschelrock
Asylum was before Poison!
Except for "newer" ones like warrant and skid row, ALL of the 80's hair bands were 70's bands. That "scene" encompassed many different sounds and genres and was destroyed on purpose, when the clubs and fan base would have continued, most likely not as large, but easily a money maker. The establishment cabal running earth wants people sad, dead and to be killing each other, not free thinking people that are both business men and artists and their happy positive healing music. Notice the change, just as clinton signs privatized prison slave labor into being legal. (dark heroin music and gangster rap) No more actual singers and songwriters and people that could play their instruments that had sacrificed years of their early lives to become masters. (or are you talking about that mtv makeup wearing bs sideshow ?)
Aerosmith have been terrible for 30+ years and MTV killed music. Aerosmith's last great album was the underrated 'Done With Mirrors'.
Damn Yankees is hair metal dude