@@MadWatcher I have the same problem with Spider-Man remastered. I bought a 4080 so I can use frame Generation on Spider-Man because it’s a very cpu intensive game (because it’s an open world game with lots of NPCs)
Short answer? Yes. Long answer? Yes and it's by design, it won't ever be fixed as "it's a feature to help with overhead" according to windows for whatever that's supposed to mean
VBS was still running (confirmed through 'System Information') after disabling "Memory Integrity aka HVCI". The VBS did not report that it was "Not Enabled" until I went into regedit and set the 'EnableVirtualizationBasedSecurity' registry key to 0. After making the changes, I tasked my new Strix G17 with a Cyberpunk benchmark. The results were immediately visible by watching the MSI overlay. With graphics tuned to High/Ultra w/RT-on the frame-rate is visibly higher and with less fluctuation and voltage spikes (haven't undervolted yet).
what about the control flow guard? you can add exception by application, this may solve stuttering issues. it's under the Windows Security > app & broswer control > exploit protection and porgram settings. disabling it completely may cause windows update and other installation issues but for some games this solved the stuttering issue.
Upgrading to win 11 from win 10 was the only worst tech decision I have ever made. All the games got 20% less fps, many pc random restarts, lagg and bsod which I basically never had with win 10. I was installing win 11 only for direct storage feature which was a lie as there are no games supporting it. It's funny how every second OS from Microsoft is bad. XP was good, Vista was bad, 7 was good, 8 was repulsive, then they skipped 9, 10 is great and 11 sucks and I'm already hearing rumors for win 12 as they probably noticed how no one is using 11
I didn't notice any issues or performance downgrades on my PC. I am running 13600K and RTX3070, 32GB RAM, a 1440p 165Hz G-Sync monitor and a bunch of SSDs (inc. NVME4 for the OS), had Ryzen 3700X before and just swapped the motherboard, CPU and RAM. Didn't even have to reinstall Win11 which was a godsend as I am using my PC for both work and gaming.
people really hated on windows 10 5 to 6 years ago, it seems to me that every new generation people just resist change and intentionally block out their anguish over the "bad" product however with a giant company like microsoft this anguish is well warranted, most of their products suck and they are shameless profiteers windows 11 is unnecessary
@@JoPsyph and yet many people had problems with it otherwise we wouldn't have videos like this. If you didn't have any problems it doesn't mean that you are the main indicator of how things are
Tried to turn VBS off on my Surface Laptop 4. Didn't work. Turned off memory integrity and then turned off VBS via Regedit but it still said VBS was on in the msinfo32.
I would like to note that VBS relies on hardware level virtualisation, which, especially on older motherboards, is often disabled by default. Whit hardware level virtualisation disabled VBS doesn't even show up in Windows Defender.
Just downgraded from Windows 11 and games now run smoothly. I appreciate the looks and the animations of windows 11 but performance wise it looks its designed to make old gaming laptops run like a potato.
*old post but... MAJOR mistake in video* He says "even on an RTX4090" which makes no sense. You are MORE likely to be CPU bound if the GPU is relatively better. If the average is 180FPS with 1% lows at 140FPS when paired with an RTX4090, then pairing a GPU with half the processing power is going to give you something like a 90FPS average with 90FPS 1% lows since the CPU can easily keep up with the GPU. If there's no CPU bottleneck then VBS ON doesn't cause an issue.
It seems clear that it dissapears as resolutions go up. as for AMD CPU's. you should see about the same impact as intel now. Its crazy to think because intel could mitigate this easily by using what the E cores were designed for. Tasks in the background.
Why would the typical gamer have Virtualization Technology enabled in the BIOS? If you disable it, you don't have to worry about Core Isolation/Memory Integrity and the typical Windows user loses nothing.
It's still enabled by default. you can disable it, but it's enabled by default. Most people will just change the XMP/expo profile and move on And I'm saying that as someone who have spend hundreds of hours benchmarking, reinstalling windows versions etc. the one time I saw it disabled... In windows specifically, was in the insider preview amd provided by their 9000 series launch. If you're still in windows 10, maybe you have an install that doesn't have core isolation on, but on any current win 11 builds ( not preview or insider) it's on
It is obvious that Microsoft is a complete idiot when it comes to games. I have not seen a proper version since W10 1607. There is no development or step towards the needs of people who play games. Even the memory stand by problem still causes fps drops and I am starting to think that they do this on purpose, which disrupts games with every new Windows. Another nonsense, random drops, stutter, players are really tired of this, the performance of Windows can change even during the day, there cannot be such a stupid system.
@@owlmostdead9492 you didn't watch the video and didn't see the lower performance with vbs enabled, and not just here but other videos and articles and anecdotes on forums. You don't think that 1% lows are important when it's the most important thing, and you tell me none of that matters and that you are the only one one who knows the truth and everybody else in the world is wrong.
It’s much more noticeable in CPU limited games. I lose 30 fps in MW2
@@MadWatcher what GPU do you have? I have a 4080 and I’m playing on low settings for max fps
@@MadWatcher I have the same problem with Spider-Man remastered. I bought a 4080 so I can use frame Generation on Spider-Man because it’s a very cpu intensive game (because it’s an open world game with lots of NPCs)
I gained over 25 FPS in Rust turning it off, I was surprised.
Short answer? Yes.
Long answer? Yes and it's by design, it won't ever be fixed as "it's a feature to help with overhead" according to windows for whatever that's supposed to mean
VBS was still running (confirmed through 'System Information') after disabling "Memory Integrity aka HVCI". The VBS did not report that it was "Not Enabled" until I went into regedit and set the 'EnableVirtualizationBasedSecurity' registry key to 0. After making the changes, I tasked my new Strix G17 with a Cyberpunk benchmark. The results were immediately visible by watching the MSI overlay. With graphics tuned to High/Ultra w/RT-on the frame-rate is visibly higher and with less fluctuation and voltage spikes (haven't undervolted yet).
How did you get to it in the registry?
what about the control flow guard?
you can add exception by application, this may solve stuttering issues.
it's under the Windows Security > app & broswer control > exploit protection
and porgram settings.
disabling it completely may cause windows update and other installation issues
but for some games this solved the stuttering issue.
Upgrading to win 11 from win 10 was the only worst tech decision I have ever made. All the games got 20% less fps, many pc random restarts, lagg and bsod which I basically never had with win 10. I was installing win 11 only for direct storage feature which was a lie as there are no games supporting it. It's funny how every second OS from Microsoft is bad. XP was good, Vista was bad, 7 was good, 8 was repulsive, then they skipped 9, 10 is great and 11 sucks and I'm already hearing rumors for win 12 as they probably noticed how no one is using 11
After Vista, I switched to Linux, and never looked back.
I didn't notice any issues or performance downgrades on my PC. I am running 13600K and RTX3070, 32GB RAM, a 1440p 165Hz G-Sync monitor and a bunch of SSDs (inc. NVME4 for the OS), had Ryzen 3700X before and just swapped the motherboard, CPU and RAM. Didn't even have to reinstall Win11 which was a godsend as I am using my PC for both work and gaming.
people really hated on windows 10 5 to 6 years ago, it seems to me that every new generation people just resist change and intentionally block out their anguish over the "bad" product
however with a giant company like microsoft this anguish is well warranted, most of their products suck and they are shameless profiteers
windows 11 is unnecessary
Windows 11 works just fine for me lol, never had any of the problems you've stated there
@@JoPsyph and yet many people had problems with it otherwise we wouldn't have videos like this. If you didn't have any problems it doesn't mean that you are the main indicator of how things are
Tried to turn VBS off on my Surface Laptop 4. Didn't work. Turned off memory integrity and then turned off VBS via Regedit but it still said VBS was on in the msinfo32.
turn off virtualization in the bios if you can
@@BootSequence don't think that's in the Surface laptop BIOS
say modern ware-fare on more time
BRO IM SORRY. PEOPLE ALWAYS MAKE FUN OF ME FOR THE WAY I SAY IT.
I would like to note that VBS relies on hardware level virtualisation, which, especially on older motherboards, is often disabled by default. Whit hardware level virtualisation disabled VBS doesn't even show up in Windows Defender.
If the OEMs disable VBS, they can more easily has software running that collect telemetry data. Is my theory at least
Interesting take. I should check that with a brand new laptop.
Just downgraded from Windows 11 and games now run smoothly. I appreciate the looks and the animations of windows 11 but performance wise it looks its designed to make old gaming laptops run like a potato.
*old post but... MAJOR mistake in video*
He says "even on an RTX4090" which makes no sense. You are MORE likely to be CPU bound if the GPU is relatively better. If the average is 180FPS with 1% lows at 140FPS when paired with an RTX4090, then pairing a GPU with half the processing power is going to give you something like a 90FPS average with 90FPS 1% lows since the CPU can easily keep up with the GPU. If there's no CPU bottleneck then VBS ON doesn't cause an issue.
I've actually been testing with a 4090 recently. Yes VBS still tanks performance in certain games.
What about for AMD CPUs and GPUs? And at differing resolutions? Does this issue disappear when you're more GPU-bound at 4k or 1440p?
It seems clear that it dissapears as resolutions go up. as for AMD CPU's. you should see about the same impact as intel now. Its crazy to think because intel could mitigate this easily by using what the E cores were designed for. Tasks in the background.
Why would the typical gamer have Virtualization Technology enabled in the BIOS? If you disable it, you don't have to worry about Core Isolation/Memory Integrity and the typical Windows user loses nothing.
It's still enabled by default. you can disable it, but it's enabled by default. Most people will just change the XMP/expo profile and move on
And I'm saying that as someone who have spend hundreds of hours benchmarking, reinstalling windows versions etc. the one time I saw it disabled... In windows specifically, was in the insider preview amd provided by their 9000 series launch. If you're still in windows 10, maybe you have an install that doesn't have core isolation on, but on any current win 11 builds ( not preview or insider) it's on
Does Virtualization tank gaming umm let me see yes it does yes it does
Virtualized security yeah. Ideally they'd have a segment of the silicon to accelerate that in the future. I believe that's the plan.
It is obvious that Microsoft is a complete idiot when it comes to games. I have not seen a proper version since W10 1607. There is no development or step towards the needs of people who play games. Even the memory stand by problem still causes fps drops and I am starting to think that they do this on purpose, which disrupts games with every new Windows. Another nonsense, random drops, stutter, players are really tired of this, the performance of Windows can change even during the day, there cannot be such a stupid system.
thx! now id like to see with high end like 7800x3d
I learned something… I stay with Windows 10 😊
genial!
Yeah my msi laptop came with core isolation disabled
It works when the game is more cpu demanding like duel channel ram,test in low or mid graphics u will notice so much deffrence
We're testing an OS feature. Not the cpu. Hence why I chose a laptop.
Thanks just turn off vbs
Just checked a Lenovo desktop PC that shipped with windows 11. VBS is disabled. Only used as a workstation. Will probably enable it now. Thanks!
Good idea of a video bro.
Hey, nice to see you 😊
great vid.
It should not change much in 4k?
That's correct, since you're GPU limited at that point. Although I definitely should test that out
@@BootSequence 😁
It was never a problem
You have proof that it is a problem with gaming in this video. Anyone who compares it on vs off can see it's a problem.
@@pf100andahalf It's not a problem
@@owlmostdead9492 you didn't watch the video and didn't see the lower performance with vbs enabled, and not just here but other videos and articles and anecdotes on forums. You don't think that 1% lows are important when it's the most important thing, and you tell me none of that matters and that you are the only one one who knows the truth and everybody else in the world is wrong.
@@pf100andahalf It’s not a problem and yes I’m correct.
@@owlmostdead9492It is a problem and you are incorrect. 1% lows show that.