You three are doing amazing work. We have a massive problem in Ireland with these things too and most clergy are silent. Keep fighting. God bless and protect you. Let Catholic mean Catholic!
Keep this rot out of our schools. Thank God for the work you do. God bless. Best wishes from Scotland 🙏🏴 Our Lady and St Joseph pray for us ❤🩵♥️🙏🙏🙏
I went to an all girl’s catholic school in the mid ‘70’s it started then Thank God I have come full circle back to my Catholic faith Married 47 years 4 children 9 grand children And 2 of the 4 children stayed with our faith The other 2 on the side lines ….. but starting to change back Love your work for our church I am getting braver and braver every day 🕊💙🙏🏻💙🕊
Where are we going with this woke madness? Here;s a remarkable prophesy from long ago, quote, “A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying: ‘You are mad; you are not like us." ( Saint Antony of Egypt - 3rd century)
I cannot understand what has happened to my brother bishops, are they (we): ideologically captured? cowards? intellectual lightweights? ostriches? Has it ever been thus? I cannot believe that this is so! Pray for holy, faithful and courageous bishops, priests and religious.🙏🙏🙏
This particularly, is a very good episode, well presented and heartfelt. It's a sad indictment on the "Modern" Church (read - post V2), that in general the hierarchy have sold out to the current zeitgeist. The last sixty years or so have changed the direction and course of the ship, it's not lost despite the looming rocks, it will return but battered and bruised. Woe to those who lead it astray. The monstrosity at Linz pretty well sums up where we are in the Church, just unbelievable, still can't get over that one!
The only explanation for poor catechesis in schools is poor formation of priests and bishops after the Council. They do not teach orthodoxy because they were never trained in traditional methods. Vatican II was an utter failure, in my opinion, for it's Modernist leanings, where cultural experience is used to define relative "truth."
Bishop Stock is my bishop and is, in fact, personally on the conservative wing of the church. The issue is that he is a shy and quiet man who doesn't like conflict. He is a wonderful pastoral bishop and a good theologian, but not someone who has much fight in him. He prefers to avoid conflict wherever possible and will always try to make both sides happy. Sadly, that is not something that we can keep doing. It is diluting the faith beyond anything recognisable. Something does need to be done.
How about talking to your Bishop about the way abortion is presented. Ann Furedi, former chief exec of BPAS, defines abortion as "The intentional destruction of the fets in the womb, or any untimely delivery brought about with intent to cause the death of the fetus." Intent to cause the death of a fetus is intent to kill, an ingredient of the crime of murder. An agreement to engage in conduct with intent to kill is by statute a conspiracy to murder (Criminal Law Act 1977), and conduct which goes beyond mere preparation for the commission of a crime is by statute attempted murder where there is intent to kill. Section 1 of the Abortion Act 1967 has only ever authorised "hands on" participation in abortion, but has never authorised criminal participation of any other description. (Greater Glasgow Health Board v Doogan & Anor [2014] UKSC 68 para 38). Abortion, both forced and voluntary, was indicted before the Nuremberg Military Tribunal as a war crime and a crime against humanity of murder and extermination (United States v Greifelt & others [1948]), and it is a crime under customary international law which binds the Holy See, and under the International Criminal Court 2001.
I'm so pleased my daughters have come through school and now have jobs, as their school was going weird during the last two years of their education. Now it's joined with anglican school, Headington girls.
Whom was it who, long ago, said he thought that few bishops would attain the kingdom of Heaven due to the secular compromises they face. This is some thing else, however, and if I were a bishop in all this I should tremble for my soul.
An example of allowing culture to transform the Church, when it should be the Church transforming culture. There are people who will concede rather than confront and who will rationalize their concession. As Mark pointed out, our base is Divine Revelation, what God has revealed what he wants against the attempt to modify it, distort it, in the name of culture. It has come up even in the Synod on Synodality. I expect we will encounter more of it. Just think, if that is happening in Catholic schools, what is being taught in "state" or what we call in the U.S. "public" schools? 🤔
I thought the same as Mark, Catholic Secondary education in Australia and New Zealand is a lottery as to whether its faithful to the Church's teaching. We didn't send some of our children to such. But the primary schools were great. Why is secondary education so wishy washy with the faith? A shame the Christian Brothers and other orders etc have declined in numbers, and are no longer present at secondary schools.
Here in Berlin Germany my son teaches at a Catholic school. The general ethos is good but individual teaching of religion depends very much on the oerson teaching
Every civilisation has at its core a cultus (Latin for religion) Once the cultus is abandoned, the civilisation unravels. But something always rushes in to fill a vacuum; in our case, that vacuum has been filled with the void of postmodernism, a multiplicity of subjective truths or no truths at all, moral relativism, the autonomy of the self as opposed to the authority of God as revealed in scripture. We have, therefore, rejected the cornerstone of our civilisation at our peril (Acts 4:11) Western civilization is now like a small vessel heading towards the rapids. Everyone is partying and the captain is drunk. And I doubt if, in our present confusion and bewilderment, synodality has much to offer. I am reminded of William Blake's (1757-1825) short poem, The Sick Rose, which, in a particular idiosyncratic reading (mine) was rather prescient. O Rose, thou art sick! /The invisible worm/That flies in the night/In the howling storm/Has found out thy bed of crimson joy/And his dark secret life/Dost thou life destroy But what might the "invisible worm" be? Any guesses?
I can't speak to education in Britain but I attended Catholic school decades ago. There was plenty wrong with the way we were taught but the curriculum did reflect the Bible. This nonsense about the Church's approach to gender in "changing times" tells you all you need to know about the message and the person delivering it. Times haven't changed as much as people's hearts and allegiances have. I know the Catholic universities in the U.S. are pretty much gone, but I don't know as much about the grade schools. Our parish has a small school and from what I can tell the teaching is solid. Are we an exception? I can't say. I think Matthew 18: 6-7 should be inscribed above the entrance of every Catholic elementary school: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of things that cause sin! Such things must come, but woe to the one through whom they come!” Kind of like the caution they put on packages of cigarettes. You can go there, but you do so at great peril.
Oddly, I find within an attitude of respect for the heretics of old. They were at least honest enough to stand up and loudly declare their understanding and misunderstanding. They left the Church bidding Her good riddance. Not so, lately. The heretics stay in the Church and nurture a monstrous egotism that swaps identity with God. I have the omnipotence of God, but sadly God is a befuddled and frightened old man, sunk in darkness, bigotry and spite. (The last bit describes me.)
The three most conservative Bishops in England are Archbishop John Wilson (who was a priest in Leeds under Bishop Stock before being appointed to the See of Southwark), Bishop Philip Egan of Portsmouth, and Bishop Mark Davies of Shrewsbury. Bishop Stock is my bishop and is, in fact, personally on the conservative wing. The issue is that he is a shy and quiet man who doesn't like conflict. He is a wonderful pastoral bishop and a good theologian, but not someone who has much fight in him. He prefers to avoid conflict wherever possible and will always try to make both sides happy. Sadly, that is not something that we can keep doing. It is diluting the faith beyond anything recognisable.
Dear Catherine, Gavin and Mark II, it is always interesting listening to you; but - what struck me - is that Mark's questioning of the faith of your bishops applies equally to those in the Anglican churches of the British Isles. Our faith is, at its heart, very simple: that Israel's messianic expectation was met in the figure of the young male Jew, Jesus of Nazareth. To paraphrase Jesus, himself, (in connection with the Great Commandment) "upon that faith hangs everything else". Of course, debate surrounds the nature of 'messiahship', and of what the death of the Messiah means: but if you doubt that the Creator God of Israel was in Jesus: then a bishopric is not for you! Any teaching you do will be laxadaisical at best; and compromised with 'worldly ideology' at its worst: as your experience of Roman Catholic education attests. However (and Gavin will expect me to add this caveat) the Church Universal does, seriously, need to revise its teaching on human sexuality in the light of honesty about how most of us are 'introduced' to sexual experience (usually outside marriage), and the insights of contemporary 'Human Sciences'. For me, it needs to be, both 'kinder' amd more honest: less concerned with 'biology', and more with 'love'. This does not mean I side with those pushing the Trans-sexual agendum: I find that agendum as threatening to young homosexual adolescents, as is the current Church. An adolescent homosexual is precisely that: not a human being "in the wrong body"!
Scott Hahn has just released a New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition Study Bible Old & New Testaments. The RSV is the closest translation to the original Greek/ Hebrew. I would avoid the Jerusalem Bible and any translations like the NIV.
This document was drawn up by the Bishops Conference of England and Wales. The United Kingdom also includes Scotland and Northern Ireland. Please amend your title to reflect these facts.
Jesus never promised an easy journey. The road is narrow and many do not find it. It is narrow because the ‘way’ lies only through Christ and is difficult. Many give up looking for it and many turn off the road onto easier ways.
This is not the way. Mt 16:18 - we follow Christ irrespective of those who claim power in Rome. We have a bad pope, we pray for him and for a good one!
PS Bishop Alan Williams of Brentwood diocese was installed by the apostate antipope usurper Bergoglio, he lacks the investituture and help of the Holy Ghost and grace of state of bishop. Same with Marcus Stock. That is why this is happening. Archbishop Nichols also is a pseudo cardinal, obviously. Bp John Arnold is probably some sort of infiltrator who didnt have the true Faith a priori.
You three are doing amazing work. We have a massive problem in Ireland with these things too and most clergy are silent. Keep fighting. God bless and protect you. Let Catholic mean Catholic!
Keep this rot out of our schools. Thank God for the work you do. God bless. Best wishes from Scotland 🙏🏴 Our Lady and St Joseph pray for us ❤🩵♥️🙏🙏🙏
I went to an all girl’s catholic school in the mid ‘70’s it started then
Thank God I have come full circle back to my Catholic faith
Married 47 years 4 children 9 grand children
And 2 of the 4 children stayed with our faith
The other 2 on the side lines ….. but starting to change back
Love your work for our church
I am getting braver and braver every day
🕊💙🙏🏻💙🕊
Thank you all. Wonderful insights. Ave Maria
Where are we going with this woke madness? Here;s a remarkable prophesy from long ago, quote, “A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying: ‘You are mad; you are not like us." ( Saint Antony of Egypt - 3rd century)
Thank you for this good conversation about the truth , God bless you all .
“Go along to get along” is the best summing up of so much church leadership at the moment. Well done Mark. 💪
I cannot understand what has happened to my brother bishops, are they (we): ideologically captured? cowards? intellectual lightweights? ostriches? Has it ever been thus? I cannot believe that this is so! Pray for holy, faithful and courageous bishops, priests and religious.🙏🙏🙏
This particularly, is a very good episode, well presented and heartfelt. It's a sad indictment on the "Modern" Church (read - post V2), that in general the hierarchy have sold out to the current zeitgeist. The last sixty years or so have changed the direction and course of the ship, it's not lost despite the looming rocks, it will return but battered and bruised. Woe to those who lead it astray. The monstrosity at Linz pretty well sums up where we are in the Church, just unbelievable, still can't get over that one!
The only explanation for poor catechesis in schools is poor formation of priests and bishops after the Council. They do not teach orthodoxy because they were never trained in traditional methods. Vatican II was an utter failure, in my opinion, for it's Modernist leanings, where cultural experience is used to define relative "truth."
Bishop Stock is my bishop and is, in fact, personally on the conservative wing of the church. The issue is that he is a shy and quiet man who doesn't like conflict.
He is a wonderful pastoral bishop and a good theologian, but not someone who has much fight in him. He prefers to avoid conflict wherever possible and will always try to make both sides happy. Sadly, that is not something that we can keep doing. It is diluting the faith beyond anything recognisable. Something does need to be done.
How about talking to your Bishop about the way abortion is presented.
Ann Furedi, former chief exec of BPAS, defines abortion as "The intentional destruction of the fets in the womb, or any untimely delivery brought about with intent to cause the death of the fetus."
Intent to cause the death of a fetus is intent to kill, an ingredient of the crime of murder. An agreement to engage in conduct with intent to kill is by statute a conspiracy to murder (Criminal Law Act 1977), and conduct which goes beyond mere preparation for the commission of a crime is by statute attempted murder where there is intent to kill.
Section 1 of the Abortion Act 1967 has only ever authorised "hands on" participation in abortion, but has never authorised criminal participation of any other description. (Greater Glasgow Health Board v Doogan & Anor [2014] UKSC 68 para 38).
Abortion, both forced and voluntary, was indicted before the Nuremberg Military Tribunal as a war crime and a crime against humanity of murder and extermination (United States v Greifelt & others [1948]), and it is a crime under customary international law which binds the Holy See, and under the International Criminal Court 2001.
I'm so pleased my daughters have come through school and now have jobs, as their school was going weird during the last two years of their education. Now it's joined with anglican school, Headington girls.
Whom was it who, long ago, said he thought that few bishops would attain the kingdom of Heaven due to the secular compromises they face. This is some thing else, however, and if I were a bishop in all this I should tremble for my soul.
An example of allowing culture to transform the Church, when it should be the Church transforming culture. There are people who will concede rather than confront and who will rationalize their concession. As Mark pointed out, our base is Divine Revelation, what God has revealed what he wants against the attempt to modify it, distort it, in the name of culture. It has come up even in the Synod on Synodality. I expect we will encounter more of it. Just think, if that is happening in Catholic schools, what is being taught in "state" or what we call in the U.S. "public" schools? 🤔
So the enemy is within
Bishops beeare
I thought the same as Mark, Catholic Secondary education in Australia and New Zealand is a lottery as to whether its faithful to the Church's teaching. We didn't send some of our children to such. But the primary schools were great. Why is secondary education so wishy washy with the faith? A shame the Christian Brothers and other orders etc have declined in numbers, and are no longer present at secondary schools.
that is the wisest move dear Mark.
Here in Berlin Germany my son teaches at a Catholic school. The general ethos is good but individual teaching of religion depends very much on the oerson teaching
Every civilisation has at its core a cultus (Latin for religion) Once the cultus is abandoned, the civilisation unravels. But something always rushes in to fill a vacuum; in our case, that vacuum has been filled with the void of postmodernism, a multiplicity of subjective truths or no truths at all, moral relativism, the autonomy of the self as opposed to the authority of God as revealed in scripture. We have, therefore, rejected the cornerstone of our civilisation at our peril (Acts 4:11) Western civilization is now like a small vessel heading towards the rapids. Everyone is partying and the captain is drunk. And I doubt if, in our present confusion and bewilderment, synodality has much to offer.
I am reminded of William Blake's (1757-1825) short poem, The Sick Rose, which, in a particular idiosyncratic reading (mine) was rather prescient.
O Rose, thou art sick! /The invisible worm/That flies in the night/In the howling storm/Has found out thy bed of crimson joy/And his dark secret life/Dost thou life destroy
But what might the "invisible worm" be? Any guesses?
Pope Francis is the greatest living apologist for Orthodoxy! ☦☦☦☦☦☦☦
Do you have a video link you can share about that? Thanks God bless you
Thanks
I can't speak to education in Britain but I attended Catholic school decades ago. There was plenty wrong with the way we were taught but the curriculum did reflect the Bible. This nonsense about the Church's approach to gender in "changing times" tells you all you need to know about the message and the person delivering it. Times haven't changed as much as people's hearts and allegiances have.
I know the Catholic universities in the U.S. are pretty much gone, but I don't know as much about the grade schools. Our parish has a small school and from what I can tell the teaching is solid. Are we an exception? I can't say. I think Matthew 18: 6-7 should be inscribed above the entrance of every Catholic elementary school:
“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world because of things that cause sin! Such things must come, but woe to the one through whom they come!”
Kind of like the caution they put on packages of cigarettes. You can go there, but you do so at great peril.
I noticed yesterday there's a book on gender on the Catholic truth society website. It's for answering questions on the current gender ideologies.
Fine fine analysis you three. What is happening with DICE?
Totally blocked by the bishops and CES
It's interesting that they want no difference between roles but insist on women's voices. Which is it?
Oddly, I find within an attitude of respect for the heretics of old. They were at least honest enough to stand up and loudly declare their understanding and misunderstanding. They left the Church bidding Her good riddance.
Not so, lately. The heretics stay in the Church and nurture a monstrous egotism that swaps identity with God. I have the omnipotence of God, but sadly God is a befuddled and frightened old man, sunk in darkness, bigotry and spite. (The last bit describes me.)
is there an archbishop or cardinal worth contacting who can ask this bishop what on earth he's playing at?
The three most conservative Bishops in England are Archbishop John Wilson (who was a priest in Leeds under Bishop Stock before being appointed to the See of Southwark), Bishop Philip Egan of Portsmouth, and Bishop Mark Davies of Shrewsbury.
Bishop Stock is my bishop and is, in fact, personally on the conservative wing. The issue is that he is a shy and quiet man who doesn't like conflict.
He is a wonderful pastoral bishop and a good theologian, but not someone who has much fight in him. He prefers to avoid conflict wherever possible and will always try to make both sides happy. Sadly, that is not something that we can keep doing. It is diluting the faith beyond anything recognisable.
Dear Catherine, Gavin and Mark II, it is always interesting listening to you; but - what struck me - is that Mark's questioning of the faith of your bishops applies equally to those in the Anglican churches of the British Isles. Our faith is, at its heart, very simple: that Israel's messianic expectation was met in the figure of the young male Jew, Jesus of Nazareth. To paraphrase Jesus, himself, (in connection with the Great Commandment) "upon that faith hangs everything else". Of course, debate surrounds the nature of 'messiahship', and of what the death of the Messiah means: but if you doubt that the Creator God of Israel was in Jesus: then a bishopric is not for you! Any teaching you do will be laxadaisical at best; and compromised with 'worldly ideology' at its worst: as your experience of Roman Catholic education attests. However (and Gavin will expect me to add this caveat) the Church Universal does, seriously, need to revise its teaching on human sexuality in the light of honesty about how most of us are 'introduced' to sexual experience (usually outside marriage), and the insights of contemporary 'Human Sciences'. For me, it needs to be, both 'kinder' amd more honest: less concerned with 'biology', and more with 'love'. This does not mean I side with those pushing the Trans-sexual agendum: I find that agendum as threatening to young homosexual adolescents, as is the current Church. An adolescent homosexual is precisely that: not a human being "in the wrong body"!
Can anyone advise recommend on which Catholic Bible translation edition etc that hasnt been wokified. Thankyou in advance🙏
I personally use the Jerusalem Bible and also have a Knox translation but I'm no expert . I hope someone else is!
Scott Hahn has just released a New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition Study Bible Old & New Testaments. The RSV is the closest translation to the original Greek/ Hebrew. I would avoid the Jerusalem Bible and any translations like the NIV.
This document was drawn up by the Bishops Conference of England and Wales. The United Kingdom also includes Scotland and Northern Ireland. Please amend your title to reflect these facts.
Yes but they have a seperate bishops conference. No need to amend. Thanks.
she is well educated but without intelligence and honesty
Lies; now, who is the ‘ father of lies’?
A 100% follow and support you?
Jesus never promised an easy journey. The road is narrow and many do not find it. It is narrow because the ‘way’ lies only through Christ and is difficult. Many give up looking for it and many turn off the road onto easier ways.
The church is lost decades ago. Try SSPX or Sedevacantism.
This is not the way. Mt 16:18 - we follow Christ irrespective of those who claim power in Rome. We have a bad pope, we pray for him and for a good one!
The 'thing' that is going on, Mark is that Bergoglio is not Pope. I have been trying to tell you for months but you have not grasped it yet.
And yet, there he is, in the Vatican, dressed in white, undermining the Magisterium!
PS Bishop Alan Williams of Brentwood diocese was installed by the apostate antipope usurper Bergoglio, he lacks the investituture and help of the Holy Ghost and grace of state of bishop. Same with Marcus Stock. That is why this is happening. Archbishop Nichols also is a pseudo cardinal, obviously. Bp John Arnold is probably some sort of infiltrator who didnt have the true Faith a priori.