I occasionally drive trolleybuses at a local museum operating from the 600v dc overhead, the UK had hundreds of them until the mid sixties and the last went in 73. They too had rheostatic brakes and were of course virtually silent and no pollution at road level. Battery buses like this are ideal for the cities and I think the recycling of the original structure is excellent.
I'm old enough to remember the old trolley buses and probably went on one in '73. They could be a bit jerky when setting off as I remember. No doubt had they continued to use them they would have improved a lot.
I’ve ridden trolley buses in Seattle, Washington. Still have them in 2021, brand new ones came out few years ago. they have the 40 and 60 feet trolley buses.
I love that this is happening NOW, and kudos to Complete Coach Works for doing this. I work for "Big Brown," and would LOVE to not have to fool with the nasty diesel pumps at the end of the day... to say nothing of the noise, stench & unreliability of some of our trucks. The routes in my area go between 80 & 150 miles per day, so I'm guessing it's only a matter of time before we have them.
@@user-cy6gf2pj7y Yes, but vehicle engines don't get anywhere near the efficiency out of fuel as power plants get. IIRC your car converts 1 unit of fuel [let's say natural gas powered vehicles for direct comparison] into energy at an efficiency of 20%. A Natural gas power plant manages 50%. Even with some energy loss from transmission [lets say we lose 20% in transmission... so only 40%, that is actually unrealistically high loss rate]... running electric cars off of batteries charged by central power plants will save you half the fuel and thus half the carbon output. Incidentally, plug-in hybrid cars get closer to 25-30% efficiency out of their engines when charging the batteries because they can run at a perfect efficiency cycle rather then the less perfect cycles straight internal combustion provides].
Retired bus driver from Las Vegas, here. I agree with all of you commenting about room on the roof of this bus for solar panels. Even with the HVAC unit mounted up top, RIGHT ON! They may be able to extend the range of the bus that much farther with solar panels. Also, among the buses in our fleet back when I used to drive, the one you see here, the New Flyer D-40 Low Floor, was a real treat to drive. They had decent power, a nice ride, and handled surprisingly well for a city bus.
dennis trident william I know we have Electric buses, I saw a couple in Copenhagen but I have never heard of one in Europe that was converted from a retired Diesel bus.
+Sohave in Britain we have an old 15 year old Dennis trident that was made electric and some more will be soon and it makes around 3000 foot pounds of torque
Another option is duo-powered electric bus which essentially is a trolleybus with onboard high-capacity battery capable of fast charging. However, it's also equipped with a pair of modern current collectors (trolley poles) you would see on a conventional trolleybus. While under the wires, the bus is directly powered by electric power drawn from overhead wires and at the same time, it is also charging a bank of onboard battery (usually lithium ion battery). The bus can go on battery with full load & air-conditioning running for up to 15 miles or more. You only need to install overhead wires on certain segments of the route. For example, if you find the wires unsightly you have the option not to have overhead wires in the city centre or places of interests or popular for sightseeing for tourists, etc. You have the flexibility to have overhead wires only in the suburbs, housing estates whether the bus route is a cross-city route or radial route. With this technology, you can completely eliminate the need for overhead wires in the city and only have them in the suburban segments of the bus route. When entering the city, the bus automatically disconnects from the overhead wires at a touch of a button by the driver, which lowers the current collectors and locks them down on the roof and continues its journey like a conventional electric bus inside the city area. Upon exiting the city, the bus enters the wired zone and raises its current collectors at the specific catchment area (usually at a bus stop), also at a touch of a button by the driver. Passengers inside the bus would not even notice the change of power source as this is done very quickly when the bus calls at a bus stop. Compared with a conventional electric bus: Carry smaller and lighter battery, no charging stations required, no time wasted on battery charging as it charges on the go, faster turnaround at the bus terminal if required by deployment, guaranteed continuous supply of electricity with parts of route under overhead wires, strengthened reliability, more attractive to commuting public as overhead wires indicates the presence of public transport & a sense of permanence. Compared with a conventional trolleybus: More flexible as it can operate independent of overhead wires for long distances like a conventional electric bus, eliminate the need for new overhead wires in the event of route changes or extensions (be it temporary or permanent). With that, you get the best of both worlds. :)
Jere Cullen they are in use by septa in the city of Philadelphia no battery that i know of but if they lose the trolley poles they have a small aux motor not sure if it runes a generator or geared to wheels they were called trackless trolleys in philly. makes much more sense to do that than the 32 million 25 fed funds to install tracks and wires in Charlotte 1.5 miles
take a look at the gyrobus from the 1940s. It had most of the features you talked about. if it had better range it might have even replaced the trolly car.
I wonder if my housebus (converted school bus) could drive to California from Minnesota with this... Bah! Until charging stations are built across the country I'll have to stick to diesel. But once charging stations are up, battery capacity should be increased... That'll be cool once I'm able to convert it. (I don't actually have the bus yet, I'll be getting it in 2020)
This is great! Reduce, reuse, recycle, re-purpose! There are a few hydrogen cell buses here in Halifax, NS, Canada. The rest are diesel. I've forwarded this video onto the transit authority, and the mayor. Thanks for sharing this Jay, and CCW!
Rode two of the GILLIG versions of these in Frederick, Maryland. Pretty cool technology I will say. Really gives a new perspective on how you can rebuild vehicles to convert from diesel to electric with just months labor.
I was at the garage that day and got to ride on the bus with Jay at the wheel. He drove the bus really well. If the whole entertainer thing doesn't work out for him he would make a really good bus driver.
This is one of the best things I have seen in a long time. And why would 55 people not like this. They must be some grezzzzzzy bastards from an oil company.
Climate Change used to be global cooling caused by CO2 and then that didn't sell so they changed to global warming by CO2 and now for the same reason, climate change caused by CO2. Climate changes all the time. If you don't like the weather, just wait 30 minutes, it will change.
OutdoorSoHard_69 The cost of the panels and added complexity doesn't justify the return is my bet. Remember these are a target goal project. The bus needs 80 mile range for the rout, so they target a range of 100 miles. Also, the variance in charging efficiency on solar power makes the possible range increase unreliable which is not acceptable for a transit application. You can't have a bus that will run a rout on a sunny day but needs to be swapped out at night, or when it gets overcast.
OutdoorSoHard_69 Solar panels just don't add enough range to be worth it. The drain on the batteries is several orders of magintudes higher than the added energy from the solar panels. To put into perspective, a family house, with good consumer electronics, and good insulation, uses about 7-10 kw/hour a day, in heating, warm water, lighting and so on and so forth. This bus empties *it's 200 kw/hour battery* in just 100 miles. That is at least 20 times as much as the family home. A few solar panels isn't going to change that. Also, the air con unit sits on the roof.
yeah, Broyd is right. even when the panels reach 40, 50% of efficiency, ( today are 14, 15 %) an entire roof of solar panels would make just 5kw/h. or less. so its not worthy the investiment. on the other hand, supercapacitors are a real deal. or even a super flywheel. to recover more regen energy.
yeah, Broyd is right. even when the panels reach 40, 50% of efficiency, ( today are 14, 15 %) an entire roof of solar panels would make just 5kw/h. or less. so its not worthy the investiment. on the other hand, supercapacitors are a real deal. or even a super flywheel. to recover more regen energy.
The bus looks like a Gillig Phantom (but New Flyer) which has full floor space, (the riders can be seated over the wheel wells), and the floor is all one level. All the interior space is available for seating. My local transit co. is running 15 year old Gilligs and they are very quiet and dependable with few rattles or squeaks, little exhaust or air induction noise. The old Gilligs are far better than *some* of the newer buses the company has purchased. It is good of Leno to run this story since we are not all running supercars or antiques...People are in love with the sensation of driving, the sensation of moving and looking at changing scenery?
Tim Skoglund I agree the old Gillig Phantoms were much better. The first thing I noticed about them is that they're a lot quieter. My local bus company has almost completely retired all their Phantoms for some terrible New Flyers and Gillig BRTs, both of which run in to a lot of problems and even smell of exhaust in the interior sometimes.
I feel like this bus should have solar panels built into the roof. With cars, I can understand that there's not enough surface area for a solar panel to generate significant energy. But a bus will have way more space, so it would have a more significant power output, no? At least to run some low amperage system like the lights inside or something.
yeah youd think solar panels would have been added for the £500,000 bucks it takes to make one of these. also they could have added batteries under the seats fo the bus to add twice as much if not 3 times the power.
Ricky Robertson I don't understand all the talk nowadays about shitty 19% of surface space inefficient expensive panels, that unglue electrons to push magnetism through the loop. Why not use gravity to fill the voltage drop.
Meaning, You are on one giant magnet, people need to stop thinking of images in 2 d, and really understand it with 3d models, so If you know U can levitate magnets on each other. U can use the same free force from our own planet. See its a giant magnet, but instead of thinking of the magnet, think about how the field looks, so now if you spin a wheel any wheel horizontal to the ground, you realize that it weighs less. So using extra momentum on all gears, placing them in a horizontal to the ground, that lost energy your talking about would be countered by free simple forces people dont think about because they are on ground, are not floating in space being the ground. Think about it, what makes something ground. Ground is really positive by the way its backwards when reading about power. Now anything that spins, like our planet has 2 poles, + - when it spins it weighs less, also creating more gravity at the equator of the object. Thats also the spot where more dead satellites fall. Anyway, so lets say your sucking out water from a higher place to a lower place, it happens by its self with a little help at the very beginning. Thanks to pressure. Pressure also fucks up time. so at the center of a galaxy, or atom or huricane or universe, u see a spiral, where there is more action / stuff in that area, the pressure changes, so if u where at an outer edge and tried to communicate with the center of the spirals we live in, the time is faster inside. Being inside a hurricane everything is faster inside just like in a metal rotor spinning, if that rotter represented the universe, the outer sides time is moving slower then the inside. We can easily use these forces to make everything more efficient. Instead of using solar, which is great, there are simpler ways that people cant seem to comprehend because they simply don't detach them selves and ask how that same thing acts in space. The question i had, was if you mixed a glass of tea with a spoon in space would the spiral "hurricane shape the spoon makes" would it still look like a hurricane on earth or would it have to poles, or would it look like to cones with the points coming out. And i cant seem to find the answer, sometimes i feel nasa intensely shares useless information with the public so they will struggle figuring better ways to mess with gravity, pressure and there for waist less power to get more energy out.
this is a good though but is way to much money and how would you get propulsion ? making ''free'' reliable transort is one thing, but flying stuff is another :P lol
Brilliant re-use - Actually better than the original and a possible solution to so many transit challenges. Now how about a cross-breed with the Deco-Liner... 👍
At 213 kWh, you'd have a rough time recharging that battery. 50-amp hookups can only provide 9.6 kW (assuming you have to limit yourself to 80% for continuous loads on those outlets, not sure if that's true), meaning you'd need a bit over 22 hours to go from empty to full. And then you've only got 120 miles of range (so, 2 hours of driving) to get to the next site to plug in for another 16-22 hours, depending on how far you go. And 30 amp only sites would be something like three days of charging. I love EVs, but the numbers just don't add up here. Even an enthusiast would struggle to say they enjoy only being able to drive 2 hours before needing to stop and charge for a full day. Without serious improvements to power availability at RV camps, or huge efficiency increases in the RV, this just isn't an approach that works for most people.
@@Phoen1x883 Yea, I can see much-needed improvements need to be made...I can only see that working for those who don't go long distances & or are retired and have all the time in the world to dilly daddle....Still, the money your saving on gas seems like it would be so worth it...if you like poke along...& sometimes ya do.
Jay, Tesla did borrow 465 million dollars from the Department of Energy but paid it back in 9 years early with $20 million in interest paid to the D of E. Instead of plugging in the bus to charge at the end of each route install in the pavement a wireless charging system which supplies the power to the vehicle with no physical connection. You can buy one today for a model S or X which charges at 7.7 KW per hour. It takes a little over an hour to install on any electric vehicle and while it would probably take overnight to charge the bus to full capacity it would allow the bus to charge a bit at each end of the route extending the buses battery before it needs a charge.
What about driving the air conditioning system? would that be a big drain? as if it were somewhere like here in Australia, during the summer months the aircon is on pretty much 100% of the time.
I grew up in Compton, ca. which is right next to Gardena, ca. and I use to ride the Gardena Transit Buses to get Home from time to time! Nice Electric Bus!...God Bless! BTW...this is the Second time I've seen Jay Drive a Electric Bus!...I wonder does he have a Class B or Class A Commercial Driver's License?...I am Just saying!...I too use to Drive a City Bus (GMC's) and I also drove a "FootHill" Transit Bus during my Training!...and I had a Class B Commercial Driver's Licence!
Supercapacitors are being used in DC traction substations for streetcars and trolleybuses, they improve regenerative braking efficiency. When the energy generated by the breaking vehicle is not taken by another vehicle, it is not wasted in resistors, but taken by supercapacitors that feed it back to the section when it will be needed. Supercapacitors can charge up quicky and keep the charge for reasonable time before discharging. When you have regular, frequent service, they are a real benefit.
Well, its fantastic that someone ACTUALY Promotes Electric Vehicles for they REAlL benefits.. Good one Sr. Jay Leno!... Just one thing, here in Portugal we've been running City buses on Natural Gas (actualy is LPG) for over 20 years, and electric Buses (conectrd to cables (similar to Metro roof cables) for more than 30 Years (means no batteries to recycle)... Finaly USA starts the conversion!
Beautiful and great video by Jay Leno himself and I think MTA should have done this electric bus conversion to the 1997-1999 Orion V diesel buses into electric buses. In this case they would be based out of Michael J Quill, Eastchester, East New York & Casey Stengel depots
It's a 1996 New Flyer! These are the buses with the number 600 that we are running on CNG here in Las Vegas, Nv. Listen to what Jay says at 4:20 about this bus being, "a 15 or 20 year old bus sittin' in a scrap yard". Or they could still be driving routs in Las Vegas! XD Look where he's driving at 10:28!! The poor guy next to him almost gets run off the road by Jay Leno!
This is the second bus episode I've seen. I think it's hilarious that he has a busload of people with him. People that pull up beside Jay Leno driving a bus must be thinking he went broke and needed a bus job.🤣😂😂
you always bring the best cars in the world i would like to see if you could bring custom cars. like lowriders dunks and truly customized well thank you Jay for showing what is out there. I d like to meat you some day
good stuff!!!! Just a little suggestion, maybe this is too naive or unrealistic... will they consider do some classical car conversion? they may then target some of the rich people or car collectors who definitely want to prolong the life time and operational lifespan of their beloved classy's.
I like what they're doing. This is a 40 foot New Flyer, while the other was a 35 foot Proterra. The New Flyer has a higher capacity, and on top of that the old bus is useful for another life. The LF was and still is a great model. They should eventually be able to do this for all urban transit buses. I would like to see an electric RTS. :D
This is actually cool. Imagine great older bus models that aren’t in production anymore given more life. For example the D40/60LF, RTSs, Orion Vs and maybe even Fishbowls, Classics, Flixibles, etc. sometime in the future.
Also used in urban trains - o/head wires can be thinner. Batteries take an electrical charge convert it into chemical energy & do the reverse - accept & discharge slowly. Each stage of conversion consumes energy. Supercaps take in electrical energy & store and discharge as electrical energy and do it fast without much energy lost. Once the physical size of supercaps are reduced they can replace batteries outliving the car. A car body may be a part of an integrated supercap saving space
I love the idea of an electric bus. I’ve been on a few buses in my time and I found the vibration from old engines really uncomfortable at times. Generally unpleasant experiences. That and imagine if they replaced all the London buses with electric engines how much cleaner the air would be: along with removing other diesel and petrol vehicles mind you.
you need a special angle of incoming light to generate proper electricity, i think its better to equip the bus stations or the depot with solar panels. but if the efficiency of solar panels increases a lot from now, you can equip buses and cars with them
I grew up in Dayton, Ohio in the 50's and they had electric busses that ran off of overhead wires. I don't know how far back the busses went but I do know that they had them into the 80's and maybe still do.
Work is ongoing combining supercaps & batteries into one case. A supercap bank in a hybrid will bring great results. The original 1997 Prius was scheduled to have supercaps. The Wankel is being promoted as being the generator only engines for series-hybrids because of its smoothness, compactness & great power-weight ratio. Laser ign and other changes are in motion to improve the engine. Running at a constant speed the Wankel excels. Combine with supercaps and we have a winner.
How much do a set of batteries cost RETAIL including labor when they do die (and they WILL die because of the HUGE amp load of the propulsion motor) and how many miles would it go on a single charge at 60mph?
In my city of Dayton, Ohio we have had electric buses for decades, though not battery powered. They are technically called trackless trolleys and get power from overhead wires. The trolleys are actually much faster than the diesel powered buses and last almost three times as long. We still had trolleys running in the 80s that were built in the 50s The fleet was modernized recently to coaches that can run on batteries for short trips in case of a problem with the power lines.
That's really impressive. Makes so much sense to retrofit older buses. And with some solar charging in the equation?... Would be the ultimate. Good luck to this company.
In Aachen (Germany) the public transportation agency is using hybrid busses and they are pretty awesome. The sooner the smelling, noisy diesel leave the streets, the better.
If there a no downsides to this bus they should convert every single bus in North America to this, it just makes sense. If we were to convert all commercial vehicles, trucks, buses, etc to electric, imagine the fuel savings, environmental savings, and if what Macy is saying, the cost savings as well. Could reduce or eliminate dependency on foreign fuel, cleaner air, and as Jay points out we can keep our gas powered fun cars. Sounds like a win win to me
Really cool work your doing. Here in phoenix like many places they use natural gas, but we do have a few shuttles that are electric with a small turbine generator. It sure would be good for a lot of big cities thats for sure. Thanks for sharing this!
I'd like to see these put to the test up with the Great Falls Transit District up in Great Falls, MT where we have a wide range of temperatures (-30 to 100 F) and road conditions. They have a some older Gillig Phantom busses that need to have their engines and transmissions overhauled that would make great candidates for this kind of conversion.
I think this is the perfect use for electric vehicles. Excellent idea.
I love the passion of this guy. These people look forward. And this is 9 years ago. So awesome.
Beautiful D40LF!! I never knew an old Detroit D40LF could become electric. I miss the Detroit sound though
E40LF now lol
@@ryanreel8902 TransLink has an E40LF. So this would be a BE40LF (Battery-Electric)
@@ryanreel8902 now you just need to stick trolley poles on it and change the cab and it's a 2024 E40LFR ready for service in Vancouver or Philly
I occasionally drive trolleybuses at a local museum operating from the 600v dc overhead, the UK had hundreds of them until the mid sixties and the last went in 73. They too had rheostatic brakes and were of course virtually silent and no pollution at road level. Battery buses like this are ideal for the cities and I think the recycling of the original structure is excellent.
and at the time nothing could beat the of the line from lights apparently
Perhaps the odd sports car :)
I'm old enough to remember the old trolley buses and probably went on one in '73. They could be a bit jerky when setting off as I remember. No doubt had they continued to use them they would have improved a lot.
I’ve ridden trolley buses in Seattle, Washington. Still have them in 2021, brand new ones came out few years ago. they have the 40 and 60 feet trolley buses.
Vancouver still has several trolley bus routes.
This is a great idea. Reusing and updating existing equipment.
I love that this is happening NOW, and kudos to Complete Coach Works for doing this. I work for "Big Brown," and would LOVE to not have to fool with the nasty diesel pumps at the end of the day... to say nothing of the noise, stench & unreliability of some of our trucks. The routes in my area go between 80 & 150 miles per day, so I'm guessing it's only a matter of time before we have them.
What a great idea to recycle and convert to electric! Well done guys! We need more of this!
But the electricity that charges the batteries is still produced from dirty old coal and natural gas!
@@user-cy6gf2pj7y Yes, but vehicle engines don't get anywhere near the efficiency out of fuel as power plants get. IIRC your car converts 1 unit of fuel [let's say natural gas powered vehicles for direct comparison] into energy at an efficiency of 20%. A Natural gas power plant manages 50%. Even with some energy loss from transmission [lets say we lose 20% in transmission... so only 40%, that is actually unrealistically high loss rate]... running electric cars off of batteries charged by central power plants will save you half the fuel and thus half the carbon output.
Incidentally, plug-in hybrid cars get closer to 25-30% efficiency out of their engines when charging the batteries because they can run at a perfect efficiency cycle rather then the less perfect cycles straight internal combustion provides].
I love the D40LF buses!
Same!
Mississauga runs hundreds of them lmao
You mean E40lf
@@supermarkie624 Nah, it's a converted D40LF
@@supermarkie624 E40LF is already taken my the trolley version (it was facelifted)
Jays so awesome. He can drive anything. Love it. Have a great day everyone
Retired bus driver from Las Vegas, here. I agree with all of you commenting about room on the roof of this bus for solar panels. Even with the HVAC unit mounted up top, RIGHT ON! They may be able to extend the range of the bus that much farther with solar panels. Also, among the buses in our fleet back when I used to drive, the one you see here, the New Flyer D-40 Low Floor, was a real treat to drive. They had decent power, a nice ride, and handled surprisingly well for a city bus.
The roof of that bus is begging for solar.
+Snarky you can save weight with cutting metal roof,adding carbonfiber and solar panel...it would add to expenses but I think it would be worth
+Snarky absolutely not true, solar panels are not that heavy
+Snarky there are solar panels in pedal bikes and trikes
+Snarky No it wouldn't.
+coldcoldrain13 Yeah. And that would produce enough electricity to power the left blinker! But only on sunny days :(
Ever notice that whatever Jay drives is always over the lane lines? LoL.
I searched comments to find someone mentioning this. He was over the line most of the time.
@BT well some one hass to be the king off the road driving 2 lanes :D
Yes, but I'm sure for a reason. I'm guessing it has to do with allowing the cameraman to get a good shot.
No comments? this bus is awesome! we should do the same thing in Europe.
We do.
dennis trident william I know we have Electric buses, I saw a couple in Copenhagen but I have never heard of one in Europe that was converted from a retired Diesel bus.
+Sohave in Britain we have an old 15 year old Dennis trident that was made electric and some more will be soon and it makes around 3000 foot pounds of torque
dennis trident william Cool In that case I take back my comment. I hope that many other nations will do the same to their old buses.
+Sohave We have lots of electric trains, if that counts
Another option is duo-powered electric bus which essentially is a trolleybus with onboard high-capacity battery capable of fast charging. However, it's also equipped with a pair of modern current collectors (trolley poles) you would see on a conventional trolleybus. While under the wires, the bus is directly powered by electric power drawn from overhead wires and at the same time, it is also charging a bank of onboard battery (usually lithium ion battery). The bus can go on battery with full load & air-conditioning running for up to 15 miles or more.
You only need to install overhead wires on certain segments of the route. For example, if you find the wires unsightly you have the option not to have overhead wires in the city centre or places of interests or popular for sightseeing for tourists, etc. You have the flexibility to have overhead wires only in the suburbs, housing estates whether the bus route is a cross-city route or radial route.
With this technology, you can completely eliminate the need for overhead wires in the city and only have them in the suburban segments of the bus route. When entering the city, the bus automatically disconnects from the overhead wires at a touch of a button by the driver, which lowers the current collectors and locks them down on the roof and continues its journey like a conventional electric bus inside the city area. Upon exiting the city, the bus enters the wired zone and raises its current collectors at the specific catchment area (usually at a bus stop), also at a touch of a button by the driver. Passengers inside the bus would not even notice the change of power source as this is done very quickly when the bus calls at a bus stop.
Compared with a conventional electric bus:
Carry smaller and lighter battery, no charging stations required, no time wasted on battery charging as it charges on the go, faster turnaround at the bus terminal if required by deployment, guaranteed continuous supply of electricity with parts of route under overhead wires, strengthened reliability, more attractive to commuting public as overhead wires indicates the presence of public transport & a sense of permanence.
Compared with a conventional trolleybus:
More flexible as it can operate independent of overhead wires for long distances like a conventional electric bus, eliminate the need for new overhead wires in the event of route changes or extensions (be it temporary or permanent).
With that, you get the best of both worlds. :)
Jere Cullen they are in use by septa in the city of Philadelphia no battery that i know of but if they lose the trolley poles they have a small aux motor not sure if it runes a generator or geared to wheels they were called trackless trolleys in philly. makes much more sense to do that than the 32 million 25 fed funds to install tracks and wires in Charlotte 1.5 miles
take a look at the gyrobus from the 1940s. It had most of the features you talked about. if it had better range it might have even replaced the trolly car.
I need my RV converted now, I love this kind of thinking.
I wonder if my housebus (converted school bus) could drive to California from Minnesota with this... Bah! Until charging stations are built across the country I'll have to stick to diesel. But once charging stations are up, battery capacity should be increased... That'll be cool once I'm able to convert it.
(I don't actually have the bus yet, I'll be getting it in 2020)
Range 80 miles. 4 hours to charge.
Mr. Neshati seems like a very astute chap. Knows the product inside and out, and explains things well.
This is great! Reduce, reuse, recycle, re-purpose! There are a few hydrogen cell buses here in Halifax, NS, Canada. The rest are diesel. I've forwarded this video onto the transit authority, and the mayor. Thanks for sharing this Jay, and CCW!
Rode two of the GILLIG versions of these in Frederick, Maryland. Pretty cool technology I will say. Really gives a new perspective on how you can rebuild vehicles to convert from diesel to electric with just months labor.
I was at the garage that day and got to ride on the bus with Jay at the wheel. He drove the bus really well. If the whole entertainer thing doesn't work out for him he would make a really good bus driver.
American ingenuity that is awesome, recycling and good for the environment. And no federal grant money we need more companies like this.
so.... How many voltage is it?
360......
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This is one of the best things I have seen in a long time. And why would 55 people not like this. They must be some grezzzzzzy bastards from an oil company.
It's not climate change which will make gas and petrol engines obsolete, it's the fast development of electric motor technology which will do that.
I don't like noisy buses and the stink they produce.
Climate Change used to be global cooling caused by CO2 and then that didn't sell so they changed to global warming by CO2 and now for the same reason, climate change caused by CO2. Climate changes all the time. If you don't like the weather, just wait 30 minutes, it will change.
no vrum no fun :D
Microphonix Virtual Studio hahaha, idiot, short thinker was the word here.
I'm curious if that organization can offer their services to NYC. I'd LOVE to see that, considering the amount of diesel buses there.
I'm curious, why dont they put solar panels on the roofs of the buses? Im sure it would add more range to them.
OutdoorSoHard_69 The cost of the panels and added complexity doesn't justify the return is my bet. Remember these are a target goal project. The bus needs 80 mile range for the rout, so they target a range of 100 miles.
Also, the variance in charging efficiency on solar power makes the possible range increase unreliable which is not acceptable for a transit application. You can't have a bus that will run a rout on a sunny day but needs to be swapped out at night, or when it gets overcast.
OutdoorSoHard_69 I'm confident the math doesn't work.
OutdoorSoHard_69
Solar panels just don't add enough range to be worth it.
The drain on the batteries is several orders of magintudes higher than the added energy from the solar panels.
To put into perspective, a family house, with good consumer electronics, and good insulation, uses about 7-10 kw/hour a day, in heating, warm water, lighting and so on and so forth.
This bus empties *it's 200 kw/hour battery* in just 100 miles. That is at least 20 times as much as the family home.
A few solar panels isn't going to change that.
Also, the air con unit sits on the roof.
yeah, Broyd is right. even when the panels reach 40, 50% of efficiency, ( today are 14, 15 %) an entire roof of solar panels would make just 5kw/h. or less. so its not worthy the investiment. on the other hand, supercapacitors are a real deal. or even a super flywheel. to recover more regen energy.
yeah, Broyd is right. even when the panels reach 40, 50% of efficiency, ( today are 14, 15 %) an entire roof of solar panels would make just 5kw/h. or less. so its not worthy the investiment. on the other hand, supercapacitors are a real deal. or even a super flywheel. to recover more regen energy.
The bus looks like a Gillig Phantom (but New Flyer) which has full floor space, (the riders can be seated over the wheel wells), and the floor is all one level. All the interior space is available for seating. My local transit co. is running 15 year old Gilligs and they are very quiet and dependable with few rattles or squeaks, little exhaust or air induction noise. The old Gilligs are far better than *some* of the newer buses the company has purchased.
It is good of Leno to run this story since we are not all running supercars or antiques...People are in love with the sensation of driving, the sensation of moving and looking at changing scenery?
GILLIG Phantoms are high floor, not low floor.
Tim Skoglund I agree the old Gillig Phantoms were much better. The first thing I noticed about them is that they're a lot quieter. My local bus company has almost completely retired all their Phantoms for some terrible New Flyers and Gillig BRTs, both of which run in to a lot of problems and even smell of exhaust in the interior sometimes.
I've been wanting to do this for so long. Glad somebody did it. I bet it could do a sweet burnout
I can drive my friends to concerts. Thanks Jay. On my Christmas list. Very cool.
I feel like this bus should have solar panels built into the roof. With cars, I can understand that there's not enough surface area for a solar panel to generate significant energy. But a bus will have way more space, so it would have a more significant power output, no? At least to run some low amperage system like the lights inside or something.
yeah youd think solar panels would have been added for the £500,000 bucks it takes to make one of these. also they could have added batteries under the seats fo the bus to add twice as much if not 3 times the power.
Ricky Robertson I don't understand all the talk nowadays about shitty 19% of surface space inefficient expensive panels, that unglue electrons to push magnetism through the loop. Why not use gravity to fill the voltage drop.
Peter Kiryluk
Using gravity for a solar panel? What do you mean?
Meaning, You are on one giant magnet, people need to stop thinking of images in 2 d, and really understand it with 3d models, so If you know U can levitate magnets on each other. U can use the same free force from our own planet. See its a giant magnet, but instead of thinking of the magnet, think about how the field looks, so now if you spin a wheel any wheel horizontal to the ground, you realize that it weighs less. So using extra momentum on all gears, placing them in a horizontal to the ground, that lost energy your talking about would be countered by free simple forces people dont think about because they are on ground, are not floating in space being the ground. Think about it, what makes something ground. Ground is really positive by the way its backwards when reading about power. Now anything that spins, like our planet has 2 poles, + - when it spins it weighs less, also creating more gravity at the equator of the object. Thats also the spot where more dead satellites fall. Anyway, so lets say your sucking out water from a higher place to a lower place, it happens by its self with a little help at the very beginning. Thanks to pressure. Pressure also fucks up time. so at the center of a galaxy, or atom or huricane or universe, u see a spiral, where there is more action / stuff in that area, the pressure changes, so if u where at an outer edge and tried to communicate with the center of the spirals we live in, the time is faster inside. Being inside a hurricane everything is faster inside just like in a metal rotor spinning, if that rotter represented the universe, the outer sides time is moving slower then the inside. We can easily use these forces to make everything more efficient. Instead of using solar, which is great, there are simpler ways that people cant seem to comprehend because they simply don't detach them selves and ask how that same thing acts in space. The question i had, was if you mixed a glass of tea with a spoon in space would the spiral "hurricane shape the spoon makes" would it still look like a hurricane on earth or would it have to poles, or would it look like to cones with the points coming out. And i cant seem to find the answer, sometimes i feel nasa intensely shares useless information with the public so they will struggle figuring better ways to mess with gravity, pressure and there for waist less power to get more energy out.
this is a good though but is way to much money and how would you get propulsion ? making ''free'' reliable transort is one thing, but flying stuff is another :P lol
Self funded? Wow
Nice to keep that old bus going this way
Brilliant re-use - Actually better than the original and a possible solution to so many transit challenges. Now how about a cross-breed with the Deco-Liner... 👍
They should put those solar panels on the roof of that bus for climates with a lot of sunshine.
2013 video, did they change bus market? Recycling old buses is AWESOME.
This is awesome and really good way to reuse things! Real deal!
This would be an awesome RV
At 213 kWh, you'd have a rough time recharging that battery. 50-amp hookups can only provide 9.6 kW (assuming you have to limit yourself to 80% for continuous loads on those outlets, not sure if that's true), meaning you'd need a bit over 22 hours to go from empty to full. And then you've only got 120 miles of range (so, 2 hours of driving) to get to the next site to plug in for another 16-22 hours, depending on how far you go. And 30 amp only sites would be something like three days of charging.
I love EVs, but the numbers just don't add up here. Even an enthusiast would struggle to say they enjoy only being able to drive 2 hours before needing to stop and charge for a full day. Without serious improvements to power availability at RV camps, or huge efficiency increases in the RV, this just isn't an approach that works for most people.
@@Phoen1x883 Yea, I can see much-needed improvements need to be made...I can only see that working for those who don't go long distances & or are retired and have all the time in the world to dilly daddle....Still, the money your saving on gas seems like it would be so worth it...if you like poke along...& sometimes ya do.
Awesome to drive 80 miles a day at 55mph? Like an hour and a half?
Jay,
Tesla did borrow 465 million dollars from the Department of Energy but paid it back in 9 years early with $20 million in interest paid to the D of E.
Instead of plugging in the bus to charge at the end of each route install in the pavement a wireless charging system which supplies the power to the vehicle with no physical connection. You can buy one today for a model S or X which charges at 7.7 KW per hour. It takes a little over an hour to install on any electric vehicle and while it would probably take overnight to charge the bus to full capacity it would allow the bus to charge a bit at each end of the route extending the buses battery before it needs a charge.
6:36 "the engine compartment is kinda sexy" LOL
A fantastic business idea.
New Flyer did have electric trolley busses in operation in many cities in Canada and US, Boston still had some in 2007.
Jay is living out his fantasy of being Sandra Bullock in Speed. Wildcat!
Great work guys! It would make a nice change here in the u.k i live right near a bus route and the noise and fumes can be very strong
But the electricity that charges the batteries is still produced from dirty old coal and natural gas!
I really like this segment Jay. It was an excellent change of pace! :)
This is my favourite channel on UA-cam ,
Thank you jay
*THIS* is American ingenuity.
useless
It only works in countries that have bleeding edge technology like.....electricity.
You're forgetting America is still the melting pot. Sure, there's plenty of opportunity to be this inventive in Iran.
No offense but I don't get how this is an American ingenuity. Science which makes electric vehicles possible is not really monopolized by America.
***** DAYM. i see you have experience with shitholes from when Tyrone ripped yours in jail.
What about driving the air conditioning system? would that be a big drain? as if it were somewhere like here in Australia, during the summer months the aircon is on pretty much 100% of the time.
Jay straddles the lanes constantly.
I couldn't stop focusing on that.
He also missed everyone's stop.
A while back I saw this bus in Kansas City, MO. This bus looks great!
This is the future. Great video. They should go after the luxury Super-C and A-Class RV market.
We really need this hope they do it in the Caribbean
I grew up in Compton, ca. which is right next to Gardena, ca. and I use to ride the Gardena Transit Buses to get Home from time to time! Nice Electric Bus!...God Bless!
BTW...this is the Second time I've seen Jay Drive a Electric Bus!...I wonder does he have a Class B or Class A Commercial Driver's License?...I am Just saying!...I too use to Drive a City Bus (GMC's) and I also drove a "FootHill" Transit Bus during my Training!...and I had a Class B Commercial Driver's Licence!
As with other electrics, super quiet!
+juntistik
Thats important in my book.
i am so excited about this that i just might start learning about it enough to make my own ....
Supercapacitors are being used in DC traction substations for streetcars and trolleybuses, they improve regenerative braking efficiency. When the energy generated by the breaking vehicle is not taken by another vehicle, it is not wasted in resistors, but taken by supercapacitors that feed it back to the section when it will be needed. Supercapacitors can charge up quicky and keep the charge for reasonable time before discharging. When you have regular, frequent service, they are a real benefit.
Well, its fantastic that someone ACTUALY Promotes Electric Vehicles for they REAlL benefits.. Good one Sr. Jay Leno!... Just one thing, here in Portugal we've been running City buses on Natural Gas (actualy is LPG) for over 20 years, and electric Buses (conectrd to cables (similar to Metro roof cables) for more than 30 Years (means no batteries to recycle)... Finaly USA starts the conversion!
God bless Jay helping good businesses gather the rep they need
Could a bank of battery,s be sled out at the end of the rout and a charged set sled in and plug in like a coffin is slid from a trolley to a hersey
Good thought!
good idea nice one
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@@BrianEck-rp2nk That was 10 years ago it's now hapning
Now that would be AWESOME!
Beautiful and great video by Jay Leno himself and I think MTA should have done this electric bus conversion to the 1997-1999 Orion V diesel buses into electric buses. In this case they would be based out of Michael J Quill, Eastchester, East New York & Casey Stengel depots
I think this type of technology is exciting. Thanks for sharing Jay
It's a 1996 New Flyer! These are the buses with the number 600 that we are running on CNG here in Las Vegas, Nv. Listen to what Jay says at 4:20 about this bus being, "a 15 or 20 year old bus sittin' in a scrap yard". Or they could still be driving routs in Las Vegas! XD Look where he's driving at 10:28!! The poor guy next to him almost gets run off the road by Jay Leno!
This looks better than its 4x the price counterpart.
Best Audio of all the other car vids. :)
This is the second bus episode I've seen. I think it's hilarious that he has a busload of people with him. People that pull up beside Jay Leno driving a bus must be thinking he went broke and needed a bus job.🤣😂😂
I'm impressed that he has his CDL!
I never thought i would watch this, but now i just did and im glad i did!
GreaT VIDEO!
you always bring the best cars in the world i would like to see if you could bring custom cars. like lowriders dunks and truly customized well thank you Jay for showing what is out there. I d like to meat you some day
good stuff!!!!
Just a little suggestion, maybe this is too naive or unrealistic...
will they consider do some classical car conversion? they may then target some of the rich people or car collectors who definitely want to prolong the life time and operational lifespan of their beloved classy's.
2:44 why doesn’t anyone ever tell it like it really is they decided to hold us back technologically for the sake of money.
That Macy Neshati guy is a good presenter. He even snuck some jokes in on Jay.
I like what they're doing. This is a 40 foot New Flyer, while the other was a 35 foot Proterra. The New Flyer has a higher capacity, and on top of that the old bus is useful for another life. The LF was and still is a great model. They should eventually be able to do this for all urban transit buses. I would like to see an electric RTS. :D
I think this is fantastic!
This is actually cool. Imagine great older bus models that aren’t in production anymore given more life. For example the D40/60LF, RTSs, Orion Vs and maybe even Fishbowls, Classics, Flixibles, etc. sometime in the future.
Thanks Jay for sharing,
Very cool system design, nice finish work too! Most impressive!
Also used in urban trains - o/head wires can be thinner. Batteries take an electrical charge convert it into chemical energy & do the reverse - accept & discharge slowly. Each stage of conversion consumes energy. Supercaps take in electrical energy & store and discharge as electrical energy and do it fast without much energy lost. Once the physical size of supercaps are reduced they can replace batteries outliving the car. A car body may be a part of an integrated supercap saving space
The noise is the worst part of bus trips for me but this is amazingly quiet. I'm impressed.
I love the idea of an electric bus. I’ve been on a few buses in my time and I found the vibration from old engines really uncomfortable at times. Generally unpleasant experiences. That and imagine if they replaced all the London buses with electric engines how much cleaner the air would be: along with removing other diesel and petrol vehicles mind you.
you need a special angle of incoming light to generate proper electricity, i think its better to equip the bus stations or the depot with solar panels.
but if the efficiency of solar panels increases a lot from now, you can equip buses and cars with them
I grew up in Dayton, Ohio in the 50's and they had electric busses that ran off of overhead wires. I don't know how far back the busses went but I do know that they had them into the 80's and maybe still do.
This is so cool! Hope more people buy this.
But the electricity that charges the batteries is still produced from dirty old coal and natural gas!
These cars were sold in India even in the 80's and early 90's. My grandfather had 2 of them. Great memories...!!
Work is ongoing combining supercaps & batteries into one case. A supercap bank in a hybrid will bring great results. The original 1997 Prius was scheduled to have supercaps.
The Wankel is being promoted as being the generator only engines for series-hybrids because of its smoothness, compactness & great power-weight ratio. Laser ign and other changes are in motion to improve the engine. Running at a constant speed the Wankel excels. Combine with supercaps and we have a winner.
Love it it! Another sustainable technology.
But the power plant that charges it still uses dirty coal and natural gas!
How much do a set of batteries cost RETAIL including labor when they do die (and they WILL die because of the HUGE amp load of the propulsion motor) and how many miles would it go on a single charge at 60mph?
Thank you for the enlightenment. Wonderful idea.
my city is using that same bus chassis , it be nice to see some all electric buses soon although we have alot of hybrid buses
You can tell that this technology has come a long way .This is a good thing.
In my city of Dayton, Ohio we have had electric buses for decades, though not battery powered. They are technically called trackless trolleys and get power from overhead wires. The trolleys are actually much faster than the diesel powered buses and last almost three times as long. We still had trolleys running in the 80s that were built in the 50s The fleet was modernized recently to coaches that can run on batteries for short trips in case of a problem with the power lines.
Wow this is truly a different video then what I am used to seeing from you Jay but I like it.
That's really impressive. Makes so much sense to retrofit older buses. And with some solar charging in the equation?... Would be the ultimate. Good luck to this company.
In Aachen (Germany) the public transportation agency is using hybrid busses and they are pretty awesome. The sooner the smelling, noisy diesel leave the streets, the better.
If there a no downsides to this bus they should convert every single bus in North America to this, it just makes sense. If we were to convert all commercial vehicles, trucks, buses, etc to electric, imagine the fuel savings, environmental savings, and if what Macy is saying, the cost savings as well. Could reduce or eliminate dependency on foreign fuel, cleaner air, and as Jay points out we can keep our gas powered fun cars. Sounds like a win win to me
Jay, I hope you do a segment on the Hydrogen powered buses being used in Palm Springs.
Dayton, San Fran, Philly, Seattle, and Boston run them.
Really cool work your doing. Here in phoenix like many places they use natural gas, but we do have a few shuttles that are electric with a small turbine generator. It sure would be good for a lot of big cities thats for sure. Thanks for sharing this!
I'd like to see these put to the test up with the Great Falls Transit District up in Great Falls, MT where we have a wide range of temperatures (-30 to 100 F) and road conditions. They have a some older Gillig Phantom busses that need to have their engines and transmissions overhauled that would make great candidates for this kind of conversion.
Very Cool, Jay.
Here in Oregon, a TON of electricity comes from Hydroelectric dams. (a clean, renewable energy)
And now, many of those dams are being blown up because of the environmentalists.
Thank You!
I would love to see one of these conversions used as a tiny home, but with solar added to roof!
I like the body shape of this 🚌 proper. Not like that previous dome mobile. Love these chrome wheels.lol😀😉