Electric Bus Conversion - Jay Leno's Garage
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2013
- Electric Bus Conversion. Macy Neshati takes Jay through Complete Coach Works' all-electric, zero-emission city bus conversion. It's homegrown ingenuity designed to revolutionize American mass transit!
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I think this is the perfect use for electric vehicles. Excellent idea.
Beautiful D40LF!! I never knew an old Detroit D40LF could become electric. I miss the Detroit sound though
E40LF now lol
@@ryanreel8902 TransLink has an E40LF. So this would be a BE40LF (Battery-Electric)
I occasionally drive trolleybuses at a local museum operating from the 600v dc overhead, the UK had hundreds of them until the mid sixties and the last went in 73. They too had rheostatic brakes and were of course virtually silent and no pollution at road level. Battery buses like this are ideal for the cities and I think the recycling of the original structure is excellent.
and at the time nothing could beat the of the line from lights apparently
Perhaps the odd sports car :)
I'm old enough to remember the old trolley buses and probably went on one in '73. They could be a bit jerky when setting off as I remember. No doubt had they continued to use them they would have improved a lot.
I’ve ridden trolley buses in Seattle, Washington. Still have them in 2021, brand new ones came out few years ago. they have the 40 and 60 feet trolley buses.
Vancouver still has several trolley bus routes.
The roof of that bus is begging for solar.
+Snarky you can save weight with cutting metal roof,adding carbonfiber and solar panel...it would add to expenses but I think it would be worth
+Snarky absolutely not true, solar panels are not that heavy
+Snarky there are solar panels in pedal bikes and trikes
+Snarky No it wouldn't.
+coldcoldrain13 Yeah. And that would produce enough electricity to power the left blinker! But only on sunny days :(
I love the D40LF buses!
Same!
Mississauga runs hundreds of them lmao
You mean E40lf
@@supermarkie624 Nah, it's a converted D40LF
@@supermarkie624 E40LF is already taken my the trolley version (it was facelifted)
I love the passion of this guy. These people look forward. And this is 9 years ago. So awesome.
I love that this is happening NOW, and kudos to Complete Coach Works for doing this. I work for "Big Brown," and would LOVE to not have to fool with the nasty diesel pumps at the end of the day... to say nothing of the noise, stench & unreliability of some of our trucks. The routes in my area go between 80 & 150 miles per day, so I'm guessing it's only a matter of time before we have them.
Ever notice that whatever Jay drives is always over the lane lines? LoL.
I searched comments to find someone mentioning this. He was over the line most of the time.
@BT well some one hass to be the king off the road driving 2 lanes :D
Yes, but I'm sure for a reason. I'm guessing it has to do with allowing the cameraman to get a good shot.
What a great idea to recycle and convert to electric! Well done guys! We need more of this!
But the electricity that charges the batteries is still produced from dirty old coal and natural gas!
@@user-cy6gf2pj7y Yes, but vehicle engines don't get anywhere near the efficiency out of fuel as power plants get. IIRC your car converts 1 unit of fuel [let's say natural gas powered vehicles for direct comparison] into energy at an efficiency of 20%. A Natural gas power plant manages 50%. Even with some energy loss from transmission [lets say we lose 20% in transmission... so only 40%, that is actually unrealistically high loss rate]... running electric cars off of batteries charged by central power plants will save you half the fuel and thus half the carbon output.
Incidentally, plug-in hybrid cars get closer to 25-30% efficiency out of their engines when charging the batteries because they can run at a perfect efficiency cycle rather then the less perfect cycles straight internal combustion provides].
No comments? this bus is awesome! we should do the same thing in Europe.
We do.
dennis trident william I know we have Electric buses, I saw a couple in Copenhagen but I have never heard of one in Europe that was converted from a retired Diesel bus.
+Sohave in Britain we have an old 15 year old Dennis trident that was made electric and some more will be soon and it makes around 3000 foot pounds of torque
dennis trident william Cool In that case I take back my comment. I hope that many other nations will do the same to their old buses.
+Sohave We have lots of electric trains, if that counts
I need my RV converted now, I love this kind of thinking.
I wonder if my housebus (converted school bus) could drive to California from Minnesota with this... Bah! Until charging stations are built across the country I'll have to stick to diesel. But once charging stations are up, battery capacity should be increased... That'll be cool once I'm able to convert it.
(I don't actually have the bus yet, I'll be getting it in 2020)
Range 80 miles. 4 hours to charge.
This is a great idea. Reusing and updating existing equipment.
Jays so awesome. He can drive anything. Love it. Have a great day everyone
Another option is duo-powered electric bus which essentially is a trolleybus with onboard high-capacity battery capable of fast charging. However, it's also equipped with a pair of modern current collectors (trolley poles) you would see on a conventional trolleybus. While under the wires, the bus is directly powered by electric power drawn from overhead wires and at the same time, it is also charging a bank of onboard battery (usually lithium ion battery). The bus can go on battery with full load & air-conditioning running for up to 15 miles or more.
You only need to install overhead wires on certain segments of the route. For example, if you find the wires unsightly you have the option not to have overhead wires in the city centre or places of interests or popular for sightseeing for tourists, etc. You have the flexibility to have overhead wires only in the suburbs, housing estates whether the bus route is a cross-city route or radial route.
With this technology, you can completely eliminate the need for overhead wires in the city and only have them in the suburban segments of the bus route. When entering the city, the bus automatically disconnects from the overhead wires at a touch of a button by the driver, which lowers the current collectors and locks them down on the roof and continues its journey like a conventional electric bus inside the city area. Upon exiting the city, the bus enters the wired zone and raises its current collectors at the specific catchment area (usually at a bus stop), also at a touch of a button by the driver. Passengers inside the bus would not even notice the change of power source as this is done very quickly when the bus calls at a bus stop.
Compared with a conventional electric bus:
Carry smaller and lighter battery, no charging stations required, no time wasted on battery charging as it charges on the go, faster turnaround at the bus terminal if required by deployment, guaranteed continuous supply of electricity with parts of route under overhead wires, strengthened reliability, more attractive to commuting public as overhead wires indicates the presence of public transport & a sense of permanence.
Compared with a conventional trolleybus:
More flexible as it can operate independent of overhead wires for long distances like a conventional electric bus, eliminate the need for new overhead wires in the event of route changes or extensions (be it temporary or permanent).
With that, you get the best of both worlds. :)
Jere Cullen they are in use by septa in the city of Philadelphia no battery that i know of but if they lose the trolley poles they have a small aux motor not sure if it runes a generator or geared to wheels they were called trackless trolleys in philly. makes much more sense to do that than the 32 million 25 fed funds to install tracks and wires in Charlotte 1.5 miles
take a look at the gyrobus from the 1940s. It had most of the features you talked about. if it had better range it might have even replaced the trolly car.
Mr. Neshati seems like a very astute chap. Knows the product inside and out, and explains things well.
American ingenuity that is awesome, recycling and good for the environment. And no federal grant money we need more companies like this.
Self funded? Wow
This would be an awesome RV
At 213 kWh, you'd have a rough time recharging that battery. 50-amp hookups can only provide 9.6 kW (assuming you have to limit yourself to 80% for continuous loads on those outlets, not sure if that's true), meaning you'd need a bit over 22 hours to go from empty to full. And then you've only got 120 miles of range (so, 2 hours of driving) to get to the next site to plug in for another 16-22 hours, depending on how far you go. And 30 amp only sites would be something like three days of charging.
I love EVs, but the numbers just don't add up here. Even an enthusiast would struggle to say they enjoy only being able to drive 2 hours before needing to stop and charge for a full day. Without serious improvements to power availability at RV camps, or huge efficiency increases in the RV, this just isn't an approach that works for most people.
@@Phoen1x883 Yea, I can see much-needed improvements need to be made...I can only see that working for those who don't go long distances & or are retired and have all the time in the world to dilly daddle....Still, the money your saving on gas seems like it would be so worth it...if you like poke along...& sometimes ya do.
Awesome to drive 80 miles a day at 55mph? Like an hour and a half?
I am in urban planning student concentrating in transportation and I really love cars, but I love that you've done something about public transit. good stuff
so.... How many voltage is it?
360......
Oh.
This is my favourite channel on UA-cam ,
Thank you jay
I really like this segment Jay. It was an excellent change of pace! :)
I can drive my friends to concerts. Thanks Jay. On my Christmas list. Very cool.
I think this type of technology is exciting. Thanks for sharing Jay
I've been wanting to do this for so long. Glad somebody did it. I bet it could do a sweet burnout
This is awesome and really good way to reuse things! Real deal!
Now that would be AWESOME!
This is great! Reduce, reuse, recycle, re-purpose! There are a few hydrogen cell buses here in Halifax, NS, Canada. The rest are diesel. I've forwarded this video onto the transit authority, and the mayor. Thanks for sharing this Jay, and CCW!
Rode two of the GILLIG versions of these in Frederick, Maryland. Pretty cool technology I will say. Really gives a new perspective on how you can rebuild vehicles to convert from diesel to electric with just months labor.
Thanks Jay for sharing,
Very cool system design, nice finish work too! Most impressive!
City of Winnipeg uses a battery trailer for extending range during brutally cold winter days on their electric transit buses. Downtime for charging becomes 5 minutes to change trailers instead of 4 hours since trailers can be charged offline. Food for thought.
In colder climates I would make a hidden compartment on the bottom of the box with the battery pack there and then it could be pulled out and changed every four hours of use and then your
“ range”… would not have a problem!
China has fleet of electric buses we need to look into their manufacturing processes ;
and do the …”monkey see monkey do”… thing
Thank you for the enlightenment. Wonderful idea.
i am so excited about this that i just might start learning about it enough to make my own ....
I think this is fantastic!
A while back I saw this bus in Kansas City, MO. This bus looks great!
I'm curious if that organization can offer their services to NYC. I'd LOVE to see that, considering the amount of diesel buses there.
They should put those solar panels on the roof of that bus for climates with a lot of sunshine.
Jay straddles the lanes constantly.
I couldn't stop focusing on that.
He also missed everyone's stop.
Nice to keep that old bus going this way
Wow, amazing concept! Good luck guys!
As with other electrics, super quiet!
+juntistik
Thats important in my book.
God bless Jay helping good businesses gather the rep they need
I was at the garage that day and got to ride on the bus with Jay at the wheel. He drove the bus really well. If the whole entertainer thing doesn't work out for him he would make a really good bus driver.
wow this is great
6:36 "the engine compartment is kinda sexy" LOL
Excellent. !
This is one of the best things I have seen in a long time. And why would 55 people not like this. They must be some grezzzzzzy bastards from an oil company.
It's not climate change which will make gas and petrol engines obsolete, it's the fast development of electric motor technology which will do that.
I don't like noisy buses and the stink they produce.
Climate Change used to be global cooling caused by CO2 and then that didn't sell so they changed to global warming by CO2 and now for the same reason, climate change caused by CO2. Climate changes all the time. If you don't like the weather, just wait 30 minutes, it will change.
no vrum no fun :D
Microphonix Virtual Studio hahaha, idiot, short thinker was the word here.
Love this bus
I love this
a dream, i'm amazed !
We really need this hope they do it in the Caribbean
2013 video, did they change bus market? Recycling old buses is AWESOME.
Wow. Soo cool.
Great work guys! It would make a nice change here in the u.k i live right near a bus route and the noise and fumes can be very strong
But the electricity that charges the batteries is still produced from dirty old coal and natural gas!
Awesome.
Really cool work your doing. Here in phoenix like many places they use natural gas, but we do have a few shuttles that are electric with a small turbine generator. It sure would be good for a lot of big cities thats for sure. Thanks for sharing this!
Very Cool!!!!!!!
Very Cool, Jay.
A fantastic business idea.
I never thought i would watch this, but now i just did and im glad i did!
GreaT VIDEO!
Retired bus driver from Las Vegas, here. I agree with all of you commenting about room on the roof of this bus for solar panels. Even with the HVAC unit mounted up top, RIGHT ON! They may be able to extend the range of the bus that much farther with solar panels. Also, among the buses in our fleet back when I used to drive, the one you see here, the New Flyer D-40 Low Floor, was a real treat to drive. They had decent power, a nice ride, and handled surprisingly well for a city bus.
Best Audio of all the other car vids. :)
Awesome!
Good stuff!
Love it it! Another sustainable technology.
But the power plant that charges it still uses dirty coal and natural gas!
clever idea!
Wow this is truly a different video then what I am used to seeing from you Jay but I like it.
Jay is living out his fantasy of being Sandra Bullock in Speed. Wildcat!
This is so cool! Hope more people buy this.
But the electricity that charges the batteries is still produced from dirty old coal and natural gas!
i did not noticed that , thanks for the clue ! ^^
Cool stuff
Wow nice
I like it!
Brilliant re-use - Actually better than the original and a possible solution to so many transit challenges. Now how about a cross-breed with the Deco-Liner... 👍
jay leno drives everything lol i would have been nervous!!
Jay,.. thanks for sharing this, Buddy!! I just Love anything Electric- I'm a big fan!! ;-)
Nice!
Cool video!
whoa this would be a cool tiny home
Supercapacitors are being used in DC traction substations for streetcars and trolleybuses, they improve regenerative braking efficiency. When the energy generated by the breaking vehicle is not taken by another vehicle, it is not wasted in resistors, but taken by supercapacitors that feed it back to the section when it will be needed. Supercapacitors can charge up quicky and keep the charge for reasonable time before discharging. When you have regular, frequent service, they are a real benefit.
Beautiful and great video by Jay Leno himself and I think MTA should have done this electric bus conversion to the 1997-1999 Orion V diesel buses into electric buses. In this case they would be based out of Michael J Quill, Eastchester, East New York & Casey Stengel depots
wow!
This looks better than its 4x the price counterpart.
That's a sick bus. Very smart idea
But the electricity that charges the batteries is still produced from dirty old coal and natural gas!
I grew up in Compton, ca. which is right next to Gardena, ca. and I use to ride the Gardena Transit Buses to get Home from time to time! Nice Electric Bus!...God Bless!
BTW...this is the Second time I've seen Jay Drive a Electric Bus!...I wonder does he have a Class B or Class A Commercial Driver's License?...I am Just saying!...I too use to Drive a City Bus (GMC's) and I also drove a "FootHill" Transit Bus during my Training!...and I had a Class B Commercial Driver's Licence!
This is the future. Great video. They should go after the luxury Super-C and A-Class RV market.
you always bring the best cars in the world i would like to see if you could bring custom cars. like lowriders dunks and truly customized well thank you Jay for showing what is out there. I d like to meat you some day
The bus looks like a Gillig Phantom (but New Flyer) which has full floor space, (the riders can be seated over the wheel wells), and the floor is all one level. All the interior space is available for seating. My local transit co. is running 15 year old Gilligs and they are very quiet and dependable with few rattles or squeaks, little exhaust or air induction noise. The old Gilligs are far better than *some* of the newer buses the company has purchased.
It is good of Leno to run this story since we are not all running supercars or antiques...People are in love with the sensation of driving, the sensation of moving and looking at changing scenery?
GILLIG Phantoms are high floor, not low floor.
Tim Skoglund I agree the old Gillig Phantoms were much better. The first thing I noticed about them is that they're a lot quieter. My local bus company has almost completely retired all their Phantoms for some terrible New Flyers and Gillig BRTs, both of which run in to a lot of problems and even smell of exhaust in the interior sometimes.
I grew up in Dayton, Ohio in the 50's and they had electric busses that ran off of overhead wires. I don't know how far back the busses went but I do know that they had them into the 80's and maybe still do.
Jay makes for a pretty good bus driver!
*THIS* is American ingenuity.
useless
It only works in countries that have bleeding edge technology like.....electricity.
You're forgetting America is still the melting pot. Sure, there's plenty of opportunity to be this inventive in Iran.
No offense but I don't get how this is an American ingenuity. Science which makes electric vehicles possible is not really monopolized by America.
***** DAYM. i see you have experience with shitholes from when Tyrone ripped yours in jail.
hells yeah !!!
Sweet :D
Jay, I hope you do a segment on the Hydrogen powered buses being used in Palm Springs.
my city is using that same bus chassis , it be nice to see some all electric buses soon although we have alot of hybrid buses
I'm curious, why dont they put solar panels on the roofs of the buses? Im sure it would add more range to them.
OutdoorSoHard_69 The cost of the panels and added complexity doesn't justify the return is my bet. Remember these are a target goal project. The bus needs 80 mile range for the rout, so they target a range of 100 miles.
Also, the variance in charging efficiency on solar power makes the possible range increase unreliable which is not acceptable for a transit application. You can't have a bus that will run a rout on a sunny day but needs to be swapped out at night, or when it gets overcast.
OutdoorSoHard_69 I'm confident the math doesn't work.
OutdoorSoHard_69
Solar panels just don't add enough range to be worth it.
The drain on the batteries is several orders of magintudes higher than the added energy from the solar panels.
To put into perspective, a family house, with good consumer electronics, and good insulation, uses about 7-10 kw/hour a day, in heating, warm water, lighting and so on and so forth.
This bus empties *it's 200 kw/hour battery* in just 100 miles. That is at least 20 times as much as the family home.
A few solar panels isn't going to change that.
Also, the air con unit sits on the roof.
yeah, Broyd is right. even when the panels reach 40, 50% of efficiency, ( today are 14, 15 %) an entire roof of solar panels would make just 5kw/h. or less. so its not worthy the investiment. on the other hand, supercapacitors are a real deal. or even a super flywheel. to recover more regen energy.
yeah, Broyd is right. even when the panels reach 40, 50% of efficiency, ( today are 14, 15 %) an entire roof of solar panels would make just 5kw/h. or less. so its not worthy the investiment. on the other hand, supercapacitors are a real deal. or even a super flywheel. to recover more regen energy.
Awesome, good job guys beat that diesel or gas out of this world.
sick asf. cool to see a D40 turn electric.
That's really impressive. Makes so much sense to retrofit older buses. And with some solar charging in the equation?... Would be the ultimate. Good luck to this company.