Post Office Inquiry: moment Paula Vennells cries as documents reveal her comments about postmasters
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- Former Post Office CEO Paula Vennells broke down as she was presented with evidence that she had made disparaging remarks about subpostmasters, who's lives were ruined when they were prosecuted over IT failures at the business.
The inquiry was shown minutes from a meeting between Vennells, Post Office personnel, and MPs, held on June 18, 2012.
Ms Vennells told MPs: “It appears that some subpostmasters have been borrowing money from the Post Office account/till in the same way they might do in a retail business”.
She said there “had not been a case investigated where the Horizon system had been found to be at fault”.
But Mr Beer points out that was not true.
He highlighted three specific cases which subpostmistresses accused of stealing Post Office funds had, by the time of that meeting, been acquitted by juries after blaming Horizon for the issue.
Mr Beer asked: “Why were you telling these parliamentarians every prosecution had found in favour of the Post Office?”
Breaking down in tears, Ms Vennells responded: “I fully accept now that the Post Office knew that.
“Personally, I didn’t know that, and I am incredibly sorry that happen to those people and to so many others.”
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She's crying because she got caught. Lock her up.
Nah. She's crying because she thinks that will make people sympathize with her.
Let her spend the rest of her life stiching mailbags, and have her PO wealth sequestrated to compensate those she was happy to be bankrupted.
what a pathetic witch she enjoyed destroying lives .
True but she is far from alone !
I fully accept that the Post Office knew but I didn't.....whatta lying beech!!!
Wasn't crying when getting her bonuses
Yippeeee
True, she would have done a "victory Lap" to imaginary applause.
she was with laughter .she looks like a reovering coke addict .face is so thin
Wasnt crying here either. Not a single drop of moisture. Just an act
She was not crying when she was sending innocent people to jail
she cried because she got exposed. lock her up!
Class action suit against her , take every penny she’s got ,if she hasn’t tucked it away already .
Did she though? Where were the tears?
Get her in prison .. she is vile .. she knew exactly what was going on and ignored it .. 🤬
Worse than that - she condoned it.
Off to prison Vile Venells.
She selected a strategy of protecting Horizon at any cost, even if it meant people falsely went to prison.
Why?
Because to allow any scintilla of doubt against Horizon would open the floodgates for compensation claims and possibly encourage PO staff to steal money and blame it on Horizon.
Shes culpable of corporate manslaughter.. and she's sorry.... 😂
shes sorry she got caught
No, only a business can be charged. But the HSAW implications can extend it into the criminal, manslaughter or murder. Given the precedents, I see no reason whatsoever to recognise the coincidental or accidental element of manslaughter, given the ease with which they throw murder at the spouses of misericordia suicides, I see no reason whatsoever for such not to be laid against her. And in case anyone tries to argue compensation law, I counter with the reality law cannot be backdated.
Corporate MURDER.
She’s crying because she’s feeling sorry for herself
Trying to look saintly
They’ve all said they’re sorry “ for what happened to them”??!! No you’re sorry for what you did to them!!!
Where were the actual tears though? It was just fake for sympathy.
@@mattpreece6106 they are what my mum calls crocodile tears
The crocodile tears
She is a liar when she says she didn't know. Crocodile tears. Makes me sick.
crocodile tears. alot of people have suffered because of the deliberate coverup and prosecution
if the BAFTAS were held this weekend instead of a couple of weeks ago, paula vennells would have won the award for best actress! it was almost like she meant it when she cried but we all know the BAFTAS are all about acting!!!
Agreed 100%
👍
@@normankennith7919 Not really. She couldn't produce real tears. If you look, her face was totally dry.
Suffered? People are dead! 29 from the scandal outliving them, 4 from suicides as a result of the scandal!
What a despicable lying lowlife. She knew the truth and had people put in prison for her own financial benefit. I hope the civil and criminal courts break her and put her away so she knows what is was like for all those innocent post masters. And hats off to the barrister Jason Beer for his relentless and thorough questioning.
Off to prison vile Vennells.
beautiful to watch this barrister at work!
Think they've broken her already she is not stable and noone can save her now says enough when she is emailed by a former colleague who will no longer back her
Jason Beer is brilliantly relentless ✊👊
Yep! Inexorably and relentlessly he’ll reel them in …
The art of being a competent KC...he is very good indeed.
He’s a very competent KC , no shouting, or bullying , but He Absolutely Nails them
I'd employ him as my Defence Counsel if I ever needed one.
He must be on £5k to £10k a day though.
A surgeon..
"I'm incredibly sorry... (That you found evidence of my guilt)"
Spot on
Just admitted she made that up and lied to parliament....
People are dead or have gone to prison, she's obviously lying through her back teeth to keep her bonus.
To avoid jail too
Dame Alison Rose of Nat West
had millions reduced in her bonus
because of
The de-banking of Nigel Farage.
I'm surprised that she still has her back teeth to lie through.
Was she crying when she persecuted innocent post masters .was she crying when she got bonuses. No she is crying because she got caught
Send her to jail for 10 years.
Just 10? People killed themselves over this, 20 years is closer
Life !!
25 years in Rwanda 🇷🇼
10 years but calculated by the Horizon system which can only grow and grow.
@@markedwards158and on her last day of sentence the system glitches and says she hasn't served a day and must do the time again
Crying, lying where will it end, in jail hopefully.
She’s still lying ! Jail her ! For an ordained minister she seems to have forgotten about the ninth commandment “ thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour”
A church ordained this?🤣🤣
Time for jail my dear. You will have plenty of time to gather your thoughts in there
And Justin Welby can say a few prayers for her whilst she is incarcerated.
CEO's job is to know what is going on.
Ignorance equates to incompetence or worse.
That used to be the case, not any more ,sadly.
Exactly as you say...it is the CEOs irrefutable duty to know all aspects of what is happening in the corporation they preside over.....there are no excuses for not doing so in that role.
As CEO, you are deemed to know what is happening in the organisation. If you don't know, you aren't doing your job properly. "I didn't know that" or "I wasn't told that" doesn't wash.
There's a lot of corporate amnesia going on here, all trying to avoid responsibility.
"Post office money is public money and needs to be recovered" ---- 100% agree: Ms. Vennells. It is time to clawback your salary, bonuses and pension paid for by that public money (and money wrongfully taken from Subpostmasters who never stole a thing).
Time to cough up, Paula --- your house should fetch a nice sum to go towards compensation ---- I hope you will get a FAIR trial (something not given to the SPMs) and (if convicted) will not need a house or pension for a long time.
She knew. She's a liar. Jail time please..........
How can these people sleep at night knowing they destroyed innocent people’s lives
They don’t care less bet they sleep fine
Money and titles
They don’t care, self preservation is key for these type of people. As long as they and their own are alright everything is fair game to them. The little people don’t matter. She should face a judge and a jury
She is with god....in her mad head
There Sociopaths... they have no moral compass and woundn't care if you dropped dead in front of them because of there actions... if anything they would work it in there favour..
That woman needs prosecuting and the rest of them ... she will walk off with her millions.... horrible woman
She deserves a prison sentence. Demonising the innocent, while pocketing over 5 million in wages. Total scandal.
Sham tears of a liar and she's not sorry just sorry she's been found out to be a LIAR
She's been caught lying. This was not confusion, lack of information or misunderstanding. She was fully aware of the problem and lied about it. She knows what is coming.
She was present in the meetings, she was on the receiving end of emails and she responded to them.
She doesn't care at all. She's sad that it's catching up to her now.
Like all the others before, she doles out apologies, says lessons must be learned and she's here to tell the truth, then proceeds to lie and feign ignorance and act like she was one of the victims.
It amuses me when these people say things like the nature of this enquiry is to learn lessons and move on. This inquiry has developed a mountain of evidence of criminal wrongdoing at all levels and this will be handed over to the police as soon as it's over. There will be riots if people don't go to jail for this travesty
There is also the very real prospect that if the establishment don't seek to prosecute these rogues then Alan Bates has made clear he will bring about private prosecution proceedings....that will be very expensive legal action but I honestly believe he would be inundated with funding from the general public to pay for those proceedings.
Mr Beer you are a LEGEND.
He's just a part of the same shi* show to keep the gullible imbecilic people happy 🤡🙄🥱
Crocodile tears!. I don't think the inquiry will take her forced crying seriously, that's for sure. What a liar she is. I really do hope that a separate prosecution happens against her and she gets punished, just like she did to those poor sub postmasters.
I believe, Paula Vennells has exposed
herself to be a truly self centered individual
who cares nothing for the well being of others.
Unforgivable.
The worst kind of person.
@@FunnyBunny-pd5xx I doubt she will go to prison but I have no doubt she will be treated appallingly by the public everytime she goes out because we all know who she is
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88
I agree with your comment.
Maybe she will be forced to move abroad to live.
I cannot think of any other way she may hope to enjoy any quality of life.
@@FunnyBunny-pd5xx she doesn't deserve to enjoy her life after what she's done and not done. I hope the public treat her just a cruelly and callous as she treated the subpostmasters/mistresses that will be karma and justice because I doubt she will go to prison
❤Jason Beer, good that he got to cross examine this one!!!
He is so good!
This man needs a change of title from Mr Beer to Sir Jason
He is usually the one that takes on the important ones
@@greenendhouse yes! He exposes the lies of even the hardest nut to crack
Most of the senior managers and those of Fujitsu should get Jail time.
She knew nothing, she heard nothing - she was merely following her own orders!
In other words "the perfect employee".
You forgot one - „she saw nothing“ either - like the three monkeys combined in one pathetic excuse for a human being
Crocodile years from psychopath CEO and board of directors who thought they would never have to answer for what they did,they should go to jail like there victims
Salaries must be clawed back with pension rights.
Take the whole pot and the house.
She had her goons bankrupt innocent people knowing it was lies that were used to prosecute.
Even though he is getting paid a lot for this, I would be proud to buy Beer a beer
Or ten!
The galling thing is , any legal or punitive action taken against her will be the result of her lying to MPs at the Select Committee, not her cover-up and letting innocents go to jail.
Two tier justice
The Post Office needs competent, trustworthy people AT THE TOP.
So does this whole country
Let Jeremy Clarkson run it
@@ShinkuRosetta The man's as thick as two short planks laid side by side, a snide sneer on legs with a destructive streak a mile wide.
@@JelMain he runs a farm pretty well
The country's more than a farm. HMG actually bid for me four years back, I was in no fit state. As of 1730 they're history.
“I was only there to collect a grotesque salary, not to be held responsible for the crimes I oversaw. These prosecutions were just supposed to hurt the little people, not affect posh twits like me”
Imagine how many tears the victims shed as their lives were decimated by the post office.
WYN and Beer have caught her out for 5 years (she told the enquiry )under her leadership she didn’t know that she had a prosecution department of 100 people
Jail that monster.
She was warned over a decade ago by a forensic accounting firm that Horizon software was flawed and faulty...so she fired them. Can't say she didn't know.🤬
And the Oscar goes to …….. some heartless CEO
Put her behind bars. It's the only way to prevent this type of thing happening again
Are we supposed to feel sorry for her?? She will never feel the misery the persecuted Post Masters felt. She needs to hold her hands up and beg for forgiveness.
No she won't but I think she will be experiencing some extreme discomfort while she's giving her evidence. And once she is has completed her stint before the Inquiry she will face the wait to find out whether she will be prosecuted.
Mr Beer, great questioning got her nailed every way!!
Poor her….getting called out! You have blood on you hands. People committing suicide, and going to prison. Disgusting!
Sorry for the post office knowing but you didn't? She's in denial.
If she claims that she didn’t know what was happening at the PO under her watch as CE then she was completely inept, incompetent and negligent at a minimum.
Prison
Corruption in this country runs from top to top
Everyone is bent, some more than others.
Not everyone is corrupt - just those who have lost their moral compass!
People conveniently forget that in the UK a lot of people in senior management positions do not have a clue whatsoever of what they are doing. This public enquiry clearly has shown that!
So true. My partner worked with a woman who had a "non job" at a local council, a position that she held for 18 years, lol. If she had been asked what her job was she wouldn't have been able to answer.
Oh don't fall for that scam.. They know EXACTLY what they are doing.. They are stealing what belongs to us and lining their nests and offshore accounts with it.. That they are completely hopeless (because of the schools they go to mostly) in dong the job we think they are supposed to do is unimportant.. It's the upper class way.. steal lie and steal some more..
It's not that people conveniently forget, it's that they never suspect that because these people get paid vast sums of money to have a clue what they're doing.
Jail time for her !
Very unlikely.
Crocodile tears - but the establishment will look after her, it always does to these types
Crocodile tears she should be prosecuted
How is she not being charged with corporate manslaughter
Because only a business can be charged with it. However, the HSWA implications could be used to create a gross negligence charge foundation for mainstream manslaughter or, indeed, murder, if it can be shown that the degree of recklessness amounted to criminal intent to destroy life. Motive: protection of the Post Office's reputation. Means: destitution of a person psychologically orientated towards security, destroying their persona and with it, their self-respect and will to live. Opportunity: the criminally corrupt Horizon system, backed by remorseless and highly inequitable judicial system, amounting to POL acting as judge and jury, if not executioner, in its own cause.
She isn't a corporation that's why.
Because this inquiry does not have the power to levy criminal charges against individuals.
That's for the police to do later after the inquiry has ended.
She thinks turning on the tears will make her look sorry. NO WAY SEND HER DOWN TAKE HER 5 MILLION OFF HER
They are coming to take her away
Perjury suddenly hits her in the face and she cannot face the guilt of it.
Being sorry , being upset, doesn’t makeup for the mis justice.. and does not mean you are not guilty.
Christian my @rse! Shes in it for the money imho. Now trying to distance herself from the brand when she IS the brand. Throw away the keys!
At one point she said “Sorry is not an adequate word”. I agree. She should be saying “Guilty”.
Remember - she was CEO when the Tories tried (and failed) to sell the Post Office. She was appointed to do that. How can you be on the Risk and Oversight Committee and then be CEO and not know about the very high risk division in your company? It does not stand up to scrutiny. Any ignorance is WILFUL.
I can accept “protecting the company” from, say, bad PR or losses and even when wrong no prison is tolerable. “Protecting the company” is not an excuse when miscarriages of justice happened. When cover ups happened. Avoidance of prison is unacceptable.
Hear,hear!👌
She knows about it for sure, She is the Boss and fully responsible for every part.
Interesting that at the bottom of page 4 (shown from 8:17 to 8:28, it says "Even in cases of fraud we do try to treat the agent with care and respect throughout the process'. That clearly didn't happen.
Another Post Office clone with convenient amnesia. As Mr Beer KC said she can only remember things that support her case .In my opinion, like all the others before her she is lying though her teeth and shedding crocodile tears when faced with an awkward question. All these people must be brought to justice for what they have done in ruining hundreds of peoples lives in order to cover their own backs.
And the winner for this years Bafta, for crocodile tears, in the face of getting caught out, after the fact, goes to Ms Vinibles.
claiming the cup from previous wiener, Matt Handcock
@@lw1zfog😂😂😂
Crocodile tears, she's guilty and she knows it, of to prison you go.
Long overdue we have an elite of crooks lauding it over us !
These people are everywhere. The current leader of Notts council oversaw an energy company she was CEO of fail with £40,000,000 loses so Notts council elected her as their new leader. Insane
It always puzzles me how the least competent people manage to rise to the highest positions in many businesses.
What a horrible women she only crying because she got found out not out of compassion for all the lives she ruined and she and the rest of the corrupt senior management will walk away scot free with millions of there ill gotten gains they should all be locked up for a long time but no chance of that
Arrest her Saturday morning please 🙏
Great start for the bank holiday weekend. Justice for the innocent .
Why wait til Saturday???
I’m calling this total BS
I wish Jason Beer would come straight out and say that 😂
It seems she was running a company that she knew nothing about. But it's fine, she's sorry! 👎
these post office people - they either can't recall or they re very sorry and apologise - a bad lot
What The public want to know, is WHO is going to prison, There are MP's involved that didnt take any action, Post office seniors that knew that the system was faulty and carried on with prosecution, Post office auditors who didnt actually audit thier postmasters accounts, found nothing and still carried on with the procecution. People at fujitsu who knew they sold a faulty system and knew they were band-aiding it just so that they could keep taking the money, all in cahoots with the Govt and Post office.
The family of the innocent sub postmaster who committed suicide are still crying.....send her to jail for coparate manslaughter
The fact she is an ordained Anglican Priest is something I am really struggling to wrap my head around. How could she sit there at the top of the Post Office tree and deceive, manipulate and be the catalyst for ruining the lives of so many sub postmaster/mistresses and their families. She and the rest of the senior leadership team at the post office and Fujitsu have blood on their hands and ought to be prosecuted for corporate manslaughter! Where was the humanity of an Anglican Priest in all of this?
Beer slices and dices Vennels here. She had absolute faith in Fujitsu because she knows bugger all about data and data-structure. As well as that, any IT professional could have told her about "back doors"/"trap doors", which developers routinely leave in complex data-bases, but she didn't want to know the boring stuff, she had no time for it and no technical understanding, that's why she's sitting where she is. These companies, (Fujitsu, Cisco etc.), can always take control of the kit they've sold you.
I despise this behaviour. Treat people appallingly then when called out about it start the crocodile tears. Try and make people feel sympathy for her. People like her should not be allowed anywhere near positions of power.
she should be in jail
Also ALL ICL management that were warned by IT professionals that the system was at fault or could be at fault and that its quality was well below par should ALSO go to jail.
She preached the Word of God as a lay preacher and acted as Satan to postmasters/mistresses. God grieves.
She is crying now.... oho... I have been caught in the act, and all those millions who are going to be taken away from me
vennells should be given a whole life sentence like they did to lucy letby! but of course, the difference is that lucy pleaded not guilty to the killing of the babies during the trial, in which there were no witnesses to the alleged 'murders' & the evidence against her was only circumstantial! in other words the verdict was only assumption!
the jury, of which there were only 11 jurors, was gender imbalanced, as there were 8 women jurors to the original 4 males!
vennells however, admitted she had done wrong, although she will probably deny she was responsible for anyone's death!! her admission therefore drags other high profile people into the frame-part of the establishment! they must all be dealt with severely, for being complicit in this terrible crime of injusitce, which exposes the moral values of greedy people, that don't give a nun's c**t who takes the blame, as long as it isn't them!
they probably all vote for the tory party! the scum!!
OK - so where has all the money gone? Whose pocket has it 'dropped into'?
It has gone into Post Office Counters Ltd.
The sub postmasters were made to pay the monetary short falls. That over payment, payment which should not have been made, was paid to POL.
This is an incitement of British "management" and the sort of people who occupy these positions ...... THE QUALITY OF MANAGEMENT IS APPALLING :( It reflects on the whole rotten governance of this country !
Someone's pants are on fire. Whose are they?
They're Paula Vennells'
Next stop jail.
“I’m SO sorry😭” (I got caught)
They all thought they were untouchable. At first hiding at the back of government MP, who were also incompetent to over see this great institution. Then the post office lawyers Who also should be questioned then barred then JAILED these people have NO shame!
People are dead because of It. People lost portions of their lives in jail because of It. Lives were ruined because of It. While It got MILLIONS for knowingly causing these things to continue. If this disgusting creature gets away with its crimes scott-free it will only further prove that there is a two-tier justice system in this country (which there is).
I didn't know lizards had tear ducts.
Most reptiles do.
Do your research using Google before posting. Only takes 30 seconds.
It is easy to ascertain.
@@deang5622 I said "I didn't know." I didn't say "they don't have." Read the comment properly before posting a reply. It is easy to ascertain, Mr. Literal. Jesus.
@@deang5622 And if you think I'm fact checking every time a stupid joke enters my head, you're autistic as f.
@@deang5622 And I'm not fact checking every stupid joke that pops out of my head. Are you Paula Vennells or what?
@@robertwright7937 The point is, you were wrong. You genuinely believed lizards have tear ducts. Consider yourself now educated.
Take it on the chin mate. Learn from it.
Don't get defensive. At the end of the day you were wrong.
If you had an ounce of intelligence you would have realised or at least considered that lizards would have tear ducts...they have eyes just as you do, and quite similar eyes in the way they work.
So it says a lot about your level of intelligence if this obvious fact didn't cross your mind. But it didn't even remotely cross your mind and that led to a stupid post.
8.12 onwards; surgical precision by Beer. Vennell floundering.
Jail.
She needs to be made an example of so this doesn't happen again.
That's not how the UK justice system works. Companies large and small are constantly covering things up, it's how business works.
I enjoyed the laughter some of her replies and Mr Beer's comments caused.
wow, after all that time to prepare and a host of legal support but she comes across as so out of her depth, both at the PO and this inquiry
Let's hope it was genuine. Reminds me of Blairs wife...and a few others over the years (and more recently during this enquiry.)....it's almost like they are briefed to do it, or at least comes across to me that way.
Straight to jail, do not pass go and do not collect £2.5M Oh hang on she’s already had the £2.5M!
The Obligatory "Cry like a LIttle School Girl" coupled with an "Insincere Apology" and she believes everything is now okay ..Strip them of their assets to help pay for the Millions of pounds us tax payers are going to have to pay out in compensation.
She doesn't take any responsibility. Her sorry is hollow