Post Office Inquiry: Laughter as Vennells is challenged over her 'odd' apprach before talking to MPs
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- Counsel to the inquiry Jason Beer KC accused Paula Vennells of adopting an "odd" approach before speaking to MPs.
In 2015, she told MPs on the the business select committee that she had seen no evidence of miscarriages of justice and that there were no faults in the Horizon system.
On Wednesday, the inquiry was told of an email Ms Vennells sent before the select committee hearing saying she needed to tell MPs "it is not possible" to access Horizon remotely. Counsel to the inquiry Jason Beer KC asked why she needed to say remote access was not possible.
Ms Vennells responded:"I phrased this point very specifically and I can remember why I did this.
"Alice Perkins, not related to this particularly, but I can remember Alice Perkins saying to me at some stage, 'Paula if you want to get the truth and a really clear answer from somebody, you should tell them what it is you want to say very clearly and then ask for the information that backs that up', that was why I phrased this that way."
Mr Beer said:"That's an odd way of going about things, isn't it? 'I want to know the answer to the question, here's the answer to the question, tell me I'm wrong'."
Ms Vennells added: "Well yes, I hoped they would do....I believed this was absolutely the case, I had an obligation going before the select committee to be able to share the information that I knew and be able to answer their questions correctly and this is what I was trying to ask for from the team. I was not in any way, if you're suggesting this, trying to tell them what the answer should be."
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This lying creature must be severely punished in a court of law NOW!
@RichardGuy...sadly I think we all know absolutely nothing , including this liar, will happen to any of these people involved, there will be no prison sentences, no huge fines, no one losing thier high powered job, they're protected by the establishment, because they are the establishment..
I can’t see any reason why the police don’t arrest her on Thursday as she leaves the inquiry and charge her wit a number of offences to which she has effectively confessed
She needs to be charged with at least perverting the course of justice, contempt of parliament and a number of other serious crimes! As for her tears today FAKE FAKE FAKE!!!!
@@markwdavis Oh, they were real. Not for the victims, but for herself and her increasingly bleak future.
@@markwdavis she had a peeled onion umder the desk
How on this earth is this liar walking free ! She must go to jail.
I am afraid that this woman should face the gallows - evil comes in many guises
I think if you wait your wish will be granted
Short listed for Bishop, says it all really.
It’s cause she is white and rich… there problem solved
WEF must have given met police money not to arrest the old bag
if this woman is not prosectuted , stripped of any salary or pension it prooves how broken and corrupt our justice system is.
Ofcourse I agree but don't hold your breath.
It's broken....its definitely corrupt....!
If there is not justice then there must be vengeance.
Being stripped of her pension and any salary she has, has nothing to do with the justice system. This enquiry will hopefully find out what happened and report on it, making recommendations on the way. The DPP may then make a decision on what charges are appropriate if any. With regards to her pensions and salary, that's up to her employeers at any given time. As she's now retired her pensions are probably secure.
@@glyn6170 as will any chances of a prison sentence. The amount of evidence being generated is only going to add decades onto the criminal trials.
justice will arrive by snail mail and these people will not be held to account due to old age and ill health.
Vennells should be locked up for ruining the lives of innocent people.
And the lives lost
She has blood on her hands
Vennells and her team of pathological corrupt bullies.
Evil
Jason Beer KC is one cool dude & dismantled this vile woman’s competence 👏
I hope to God that if I ever do anything wrong, that he isn't the prosecution counsel that I have to face. He doesn't get agressive or raise his voice, he just has absolute command of the facts and just chips away relentlessly.
He had her plucked & ready for the pot before she even sat down.
I think he's setting a theme for something bigger .. hopefully.
He's very good at asking a question and then shutting up. He lets the witness stew in silence.
Got something of Barney Gumble about him. Buuuurp …
How this revolting creature can sleep at night is beyond me.she has caused people's death and wrecked countless lives and she is still lying
And condoned by The Church of England
@@robertkemp6334they wanted her to be Bishop of London !
she sleeps during the day, upside down
@@nannieg7622 Good Lord🤣🤣🤣
@@Lonely_Goat Upside down.
And STILL she displays her arrogance. What a revolting person...in every way imaginable.
Spot on, the lie continues and continues, it's like questioning a cult of compulsive liars.
Obviously a narcissist, she probably believes her own lies! An empty person .
I’ve seen straighter corkscrews than that foul woman.
😂
She wouldn't tell the truth if people's lives depended on it.................................LITERALLY.
That was the case.
Demonstratedly.
She is incapable of telling the truth. She is also incapable of seeing truth when it is staring her in the face.
@@philhart4849 She will come out with whatever she thinks people want to hear to save her own skin ( and wealth ).
All the hours spent listening to this woman deliberating must’ve been a nightmare
Spot the lying CEO
Which one?
Liar liar pants on fire
It’s the little one in a dress.
The one that goes red in the face when challenged
@@ancientmariner7372 : Yeah even the top Royal Mail knew as well.
We love Jason Beer! A hero for the common man!
I doubt many common men could afford his fees.
Got to love MR Bates. This wouldn't even have got this far without him
Agreed, I just hope he is never on the side against me!
@No.Handle31
Absolutely
Vennels looks genuinely astounded that she's being scrutinised to such an extent. Her inner monologue is based on superiority & control & being used to obedience from staff. She's devastated.
This is absolutely correct analysis. She is not used to be in a position where she was/is ever challenged. She is symptomatic of all top management who start believing that it is not circumstance, but actual merit that gets them to the top....
Yes, the stunned look as the reality of her situation is exposed to her is very telling.
Did anyone notice the moment when she realized, no, they would not tell her that she is wrong?
You are spot on with that analysis
Too many "strong, independent and empowered women" are messing up as CEOs.
What nonsense this woman speaks!
I'm not betting against her using a tactic from other senior managers, who tended to imply that some of what (we thought they were actually accountable for, given their job title) was above their pay grade.
Don't forget -she can't remember very convenient
she still lies.
sickening.
She’s now trying to avoid prison for conspiracy to get innocent people sent down (conspiracy to pervert the course of justice which carries a maximum term of life in prison. Surely there can be no more egregious case; she could die in prison.
"In complete truth and sincerity" the bloody audacity of this woman to use those words, she is totally dishonest and morally corrupted!
Don't think that Vennells is unique amongst CEO's- because she almost certainly isn't. They will nearly always attempt to cover up and obfuscate if it means financial loss to their company and shareholders. MBA and business courses need to make ethics and understanding these disasters core parts of their qualifications. Sending some of them to prison won't hurt either.
A so called Christian … another lying snake hiding behind her MP friends
It is a joy to watch jason beer in action
She’s obviously an inveterate liar.
And invertebrate
Very
Perfect CofE material, let's make her a bishop.
A perfect example of why UK management is so dreadful, patching over its incompetence with lies. This woman couldn't run a corner shop, never mind a sub post office.
If you'ee hoing to troll the UJ: get your facts right. She was the CEO.
Blueprint for British management: step one be too incompetent or corrupt to do your job, step two billy and or sack any subordinates who point out your policies or actions are bad, step three cover up your own culpability when the negative effects of your policies or actions become apparent and wherever possible arrange for subordinates with no power to take the blame, step three leave your job to avoid further scrutiny and immediately get another higher paid job somewhere else and or a peerage or a job advising government
@@WhichDoctor1 yep. You've just described the Tory government, too.
I wouldn't trust her running in the gutter!
@@fenlandwildlifeclips Try to understand context.
Vennells is oh so unlikeable in EVERY POSSIBLE FNN WAY.
Could have been Bishop of London. Need to look into who has been advancing this woman.
This is classic management speak. She was telling her staff what she wanted to say, and telling them that they should support her. She was not inviting them to tell her why that was not true. Therefore her team told her what she wanted to hear, true or not. Now she says she was 'too trusting', but she didn't ask for the truth, she asked for the 'right' answer. Management speak for group lies.
I like most of our country won't justice for the injustices that have been suffering for years by the likes of these B.......
Prison.
Broadmoor, six months.
Pay back time.
At her own expense.
How does she sleep? How can she dare show her face? She's responsible for destroying so many lives - lives that cannot be repaired. We only get one go at life and that woman is responsible for destroying so much.
She should be jailed.
She sleeps because she is devoid of conscience.
And she calls herself a Christian!
She shows her face because she now has no choice.
She can sleep because she has lost nothing,and probably won't even go to prison,that plus her fat bonuses
She absolutely doesn't care. She was overpaid, and she goes to church on Sundays.
She remembers exactly why she phrases that email that specific way, who gave her the advice on drafting the email, but cannot recall or did not know 100 investigators were putting people in prison. She is lying.
exactly what we were all thinking. Shameful woman.
LOL True. She reminds me of Prince Andrew
Convicted herself.
Two more days to go, then she can be arrested and charged with perjury, fraud and conspiracy.
Alas I suspect no one will go to prison for this and Fujitsu won't end up paying any significant amount towards the compensation that we tax payers will need to pay to the poor postmasters / postmistresses. 96 people were unlawfully killed at Hillsborough and not one person was brought to justice. The rich and well connected don't go to jail, they just retire early on nice big pensions.
Tying herself in knots. It is perfectly obvious by now she wanted to prosecute as many SP's as she could.
Never mess with a K.C., they never ask a question they don't already know the answer to.
Very true sir these people don't get the KC title in a bloody lucky bag
…or with the Chairman of an inquiry!!!
@@johnenglish929Yes, he's one sharp cookie.
He is a master of psychology. Makes Cromwell look like a choir boy.
Jason Beer is amazing. Incredibly competent, probing, showing up her twists and turns and duly tying her into knots..Really brilliant!
Covered up with shameful conduct committed by Paula Vennells being dismantled by Jason Beer KC.
Jason Beer has been superb today. His face when she turned on the tears and the noticeable absence of an offer of a break .... lol
Best kc ever
He clearly despises these people, my new hero, he gives zero fcks🤣
Jail Her Now !!!
If there is any justice in Britain, then for the sake of the many peoples lives ruined by her lies, and those of her minions, she needs to be jailed for her crimes. Simple.
I would love to see that happen. But it wont. The inquiry has ensured that any lawyer can argue that a fair trial is impossible. They should have been investigated before the inquiry.
Plenty of criminal procutions and convictions have in the past come based on the out come of an inquiry. the out come of an inquiry can indeed be used in a criminal case as evidence of guilt. As long as the inquiry is carried out in line with the UK lawas and regulations a lawyer can not use it as "unfair". They can of course use the outcome of the inquiry in their evidence. So if you wanted to charge PV and the inquiry found the PO did no wrong that would hurt your case.
But as the inquiry is in the public domian both sides have equal opportunity to use it in their case, so the argument that a defence lawyer saying "the trial is unfair becuase the inquiry" would be "well recall the witness from the inquiry and the evidence you think was incorrect and unfair and demonstrate how it was wrong", Or simply "yes your honor we are aware that the jury may have a knowlage of the inquiry therefore we will be using that as part of our evidence, so prior knowlage is not going to impact the case.."
Witness in an inquiry are not supose to self incriminate, but being part of an inquiry in no way can protect you in a court of law. Unfortunaly lieing to a public inquiry is not criminal. neither is bring so rubbish at your job you didnt investigate the issues that lead to 900 PM getting convicted. A criminal court would have to prove the intentions behind the cover up. And PV could easly say "i didn know how to do my job correctly and messed up" rather than "I lied to the courts and gave false evidence to the proscutors to makes sure the PM's went down. one gets you a slpped wrist and one a criminal recourd and time in jail. it very hard to prove one or the other in a criminal court. This is why it is unlikley to be any proscutions. not to do with "fair trials" simply the lack of evidence in to the motivation behind what they did.
We all i think have a good idea, but proving it will be hard. I hope they do though.
The same way sunak and Johnson got tiny covid fines and poor people got 10k plus fines each.
People should kick off if she is not jailed, it will show a two tier system.
Overpaid and under-qualified also completely incompetent.
And murderously dangerous!
Counsel is great.
He knows what to ask and when and leaves the silences in which to stare.
He certainly knows his job inside out no disrespect but I would not like to have to face him on a court room
Disgraceful, talking about truth and sincerity, shameless
The Obligatory "Cry like a LIttle School Girl" coupled with an "Insincere Apology" and she believes everything is now okay ..Strip them of their assets to help pay for the Millions of pounds us tax payers are going to have to pay out in compensation
Jason Beer - the star of the inquiry! Legend.
Disgraceful. Woman of the cloth don't make me laugh!
A fearsome believer in truth and justice she will assert at some time during these proceedings.
Its an insult to the C of E that she carried on her position in the church knowing what was happening with all these poor victims and she definitely has blood on her hand so Archbishop Welby had better pray hard
@@user-bl8zw4ol1j He wanted her to become Bishop of London!
She’s touching cloth now 😂
Blueprint for British management: step one be too incompetent or corrupt to do your job, step two billy and or sack any subordinates who point out your policies or actions are bad, step three cover up your own culpability when the negative effects of your policies or actions become apparent and wherever possible arrange for subordinates with no power to take the blame, step three leave your job to avoid further scrutiny and immediately get another higher paid job somewhere else and or a peerage or a job advising government
She is still telling lies!
Vennells was nearly the Bishop of London recommended by Justin Welby!
I attend my CofE parish church weekly where the vicar mentions the word 'diversity' in every sermon. CofE is in end-stage collapse with choirs being shut down and gimmicks to raise funds. Horrifying and comical at the same time.
You think the CofE is collapsing because of diversity rather than people's distrust of the church? You don't think it has anything to do with cronyism, corruption, financial and sexual scandals, and the general swing towards secularism and away from superstition?
@@smolcharlie1736that is quite a leap of logic! No, I think it has lost direction and now presents a mixed message.
There is no superstition in the Book of Common Prayer, it was a solid document which everybody knew. It had obscure and profound language which one learned over time, now the CofE language is all 'easy access' ie banal in the extreme.
We have less formal liturgy with priests who ad lib constantly, wristband-wearing vicars, and dilution everywhere eg shortened Psalms. All symptomatic of an organisation which has lost self-confidence. The Anglican Communion, riven by tension over women bishops and gay marriage, does not amount to much any more either.
To return to the comical aspect - once upon a time the CofE was known as the Tory Party at prayer, not so much these days.
CofE is a fake church made up by English people anyway so what’s your point?
@@smolcharlie1736Something has come along to replace religion. It’s called a smart phone and social media.
She's lying 🤬
I don’t remember this email I was in Pizza Express Woking
Haha but at least she’s sweating .
She indicated that she doesn't sweat!
Classic!
👏👏👏
Good one 👍
How come they appointed as CEO in the first place someone who lacked the necessary competence and experience???
That's a really good question, and I don't think it has been addressed so far.
When the Tories decided to break up The Post Office into its various sectors and sell it off into BT, Royal Mail, Parcelforce, and Post Office Counters being the main businesses, (ooo where have we seen that before), Counters was the biggest loss maker because it was an agency for other sectors of government ( TV licensing, selling stamps for Royal Mail and Parcels services, National Savings, banking etc., ) and the only product it owned being Postal Orders. Therefore the top management and government brought in other supposed competent corporate managers to turn its fortunes around, but unfortunately they did not have a clue about the business or how to deal with it. They were so clueless re the computer systems being developed.........just like many other government iT contracts, e.g NHS, Test and Trace, Nuclear Submarines.......😮😡
She had already collection of directorships, organisations like major firms, charities, health trusts etc , and also is also an ordained minister of the CoE . She has lost most of that for some reason or other. She must be on a list ot the "Great and the Good" in a Whitehall filing cabinet somewhere. As the good book hints in the parable of the talents, to him who hath shall be given even more. He who has little, will lose the little he hath. Reminds me of something recent.
See also - Dido Harding 😬
Incompetent clowns appointed her in the first place!!
No contrition, just can’t remember. How convenient.
She should be in jail, she is responsible for hounding people to their deaths.
Hard to believe she was the archbishop of Canterbury’s choice for bishop of London!! The mind truly boggles.
She is either lying, or she is one of the least competent CEOs in the history of management: or, of course, both !
Keeps playing the Regan defence, "I don't recall"
A goldfish with dementia would have a better memory than this woman.
Incompetent managers usually lie a good deal too. The two traits tend to go together.
.........both, of course!
word soup...utter rubbish
Lies = Jail time, no ifs, buts or ands.
Jail isn't for the likes of her, minor slap on the wrist
Tied up in knots can’t speak the truth guilty
Guilty.
Arrest her.
Charge her.
Convict her.
Send her down.
100%
This witch needs jailing, nothing less!
This woman deserves to go to prison, along with all her cohorts, they should repay all of their salaries, bonuses and pensions.
Any normal person would be in prison - the many level tiered justice system in this nation is evil.
She cant distinguish truth from lies she sounds like she spent hours rehearsing what questions might come her way.
Her pants are on fire!!😂. What chancer!!
This piece of excrement needs to be removed.
I’ve seen poor liars before but this is absolutely childish. Lock her up.
Jason Beer is relentless.
Good he needs to be hope he finds strength to keep it up and is not washed away by crocodile years from the hard faced vennells
Memory is an amazing thing. Some important things one can’t remember at all but intricate details of something else at the same time can be recounted perfectly
These people need to be in prison !!!
Massive consistent lying leading to huge human suffering.
This is a monster.
You're not in a school or church now luv, talking down to people.
Get this woman locked up.
Private prosecutions should follow.
This is now a joke and a bad one at that. She is a disgrace and needs to be given a lengthy sentence 😡😡
Wow, this is why these guys are paid so well. She hasn’t realised he only asks questions that he already knows the answer to. He destroyed her. She isn’t used to being questioned like this.
"I can remember Alice Perkins saying to me at some stage 'Paula if you want to get the truth and a really clear answer from somebody, you should tell them what it is you want to say, very clearly, um and then ask for more information, that that that, that backs that up.' that was why I phrase this that way." ~ Paula Vennells
That's called leading the witness, Paula.
Spineless trout kept turning on the waterworks , crocodile tears of ever I saw them.
Self-pity. I doubt that she cried any tears for dead S.P.'S or the wrongfully jailed ones or the others whose lives and those of their families were devastated. I'm afraid where Ms Vennels is concerned I'm one hundred percent waterproof.
@@amandamcauley I've no doubt they were genuine tears, but the question is... for whom was she crying?
@@ftumschk She was crying for herself.
Okay, Paula, start packing your suitcase. You are going to jail. You let all these poor Post Master and their families down.
Broadmoor, six months, minimum.
A poetic sentence IMO.
Take her passport first, before she ducks out like the one hiding in Australia!
She's had a lesson or two from prince Andrews lawyer on sweating ,,, comes out in tears
Wouldn’t trust her to run a bath!
This woman ‘trained’ the Archbishop of Canterbury. She was high up in C of E training bishops. Interesting woman with interesting connections …. Wriggling like a caught fish at the end …
Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.
This quote is becoming so birinng!! Reoeared time and time again in all the channels!!
That sideways glance, the "Jason Beer side-glance."
She is one of the good ones...as in liars
Jason ‘Duff’ Beer was class today.
As an expat Brit living in New Zealand (for 55 years) I can’t help but feel ashamed of what has happened in a country I have always claimed to have a justice system which, although not perfect, is as fair and equitable any in the world. If Vennell does not end up in jail I will be forced to admit I have been wrong.
And now Jane McLeod who refuses to front up and give evidence, at the Inquiry has moved to NZ!
Why are we stuck with her now??
Watch the final 5 minutes and Sir Wyn's simple question, Why? She had no answer
Jail!
She needs to be charged with at least perverting the course of justice, contempt of parliament
How on earth was this individual allowed to be a CEO of any business! Beggars belief that she has held any senior positions
yes, i wondered that, Clearly it was box ticking exercise, just to put a woman in the place above more qualified people.
@@johnridley1038 The NHS need people like this.
Oh, sorry, got them already.
She was thinking always about her contract and keeping her bank balance healthy nothing to do that she had ruined sub postmasters lives reputations and sent innocent people to prison .
@@johnridley1038Box Ticking Diversity Rules. K.O.
Do not kid yourselves. This is the establishment questioning the establishment. She will be made an exhibition of but nothing serious will be done to her.
Quite right. Establishment people look after each other. She has wealthy friends in high places. She'll get a light prison sentence at best and then early parole after serving just 25% of it. It's already happened with most of the MPs who've been jailed for committing crimes, from Jeffrey Archer onwards. The system's corrupt to the core - unfortunately.
How on earth was she ever ordained as a vicar?
Trendy vicars are everywhere these days.
Trendy???Tried to dress in short skirts to look younger and the scarves don't hide the neck wrinkles
God moves in mysterious ways,.
And so we have a lying Anglican priest. No integrity, no honesty, no honour. Instead squirming shamelessly in response to Jason Beer's questions in a last ditch attempt to save her skin. Contemptible.
She just needs to come clean and admit her crimes. It’s awful watching her trying to defend the indefensible.
She is/was some kind of Christian minister I think. Lecturing and advising people on their moral/ethical life etc.
Hmm. Brutal irony.
@@Whatzzzz999 poacher turned gamekeeper! 🤣
She is psychologically incapable of coming clean.
If proven in a criminal court she needs to be stripped financially and a long sentence in prison
Go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect a golden parachute.
Vennells & others have to face a court of Law so all the evidence can be tested for Criminality, confidence has to be re established for this Country
Machiavellian machinations. Prison
Absolute prevarication! If you as a Senior Manager say to a junior employee, ‘I need it to say X or Y’ the reply will come back stating that. I know that to my cost because those above do not like the Truth if it doesn’t suit them or causes problems for others they’re trying to protect, to my cost in my career because I don’t like massaging others ego and self importance.
Lock her up.
A great example of avarice! Which is endemic in our political leaders also. Cameron Johnson mogg truss Kwarteng hunt sunack...i could go on!!! All are totally self-absorbed and will stand on the necks of as many as needed to line their own pockets. That is the state of uk politics, and that example is why we have this lady sitting in that chair as if she was an innocent bystander, while post office managers where loosing their homes, lives or being sent to prison.
The full scale of this criminality has been uncovered today.....I can't see her making it through these three days....hospital case after day 2 for sure.
I'm surprised with the massive pressure on her that she made it to the enquiry. She knows she is a public pariah and hated by people that know nothing about her. She knew what awaited her. Many would have visited the chemist and .....
Malignant / psychopathic narcissists love the attention. Whether positive or negative, attention is attention. They love it. Plus she cannot resist perpetuating the abuse towards the victims by keeping up with her lies. Classic psychopath!
"complete truth and sincerity". I'm surprised she didn't wear her little white collar to show how truthful and sincere she really is!!
She just can't stop lying. She's so good....I bet she gets the award for 'thinking on your feet'!
How many managers have been promoted to positions that they are not capable, intellectually or personally, of fulfilling?
Peter Principle - managers rise to the level of their own incompetence. Certainly true in her case. And I get tired of people pointing out her position as an ordained minister. Is that somehow supposed to improve her cv is connection with this job? It is at best irrelevant. In fact, as it shows a willingness to accept the nonsense of religious belief, it should have been considered a minus point.
That's a very good point.
What goes around comes around!
Alas, it is so rare that it comes around 😢
God knows the truth.
There will be no prosecutions , she and others will walk away with only their reputations damaged . Sickening.
Why hasn't she (and many, many others) not been charged with "Misconduct in public office contrary to section 1 (1) of the Criminal Law Act 1977."?
It was a genuine attempt alright- a genuine attempt to ensure she gave as emphatic an answer as she could to minimise further questions. Lying, deceitful… words actually fail me
And now no Compensation Bill will be possible this year. Sue, SPMs, sue. POL AND HM Treasury
Jail her....
Not up to the job. Her role within the Church of, England, must have been a further distraction. This is not a part-time occupation..!
Neither was her role in the Church part time of she did it properly but I know there a lot of Clergy who have a lot of 'time off'
As CEO she should have asked if you know that the accounts can be accessed and changed remotely you’d better tell me NOW.
Jason Beer is the man of the moment.