As i told everyone on Stream. Went to bed at 4am. Woke up when this was done rendering to upload for you all. Going back to bed.Once I wake up and spend some time with my dad who's in down Ill be streaming all day.
Hey how are assassination rogues atm overall in 1v1s, 2s, 3s, 5s, or rbgs. I know sub will be way better for 3s and such but I love the poison and run play style which is like a feral but funner idk.
about the sword / dagger main hand discusson. just make a equip macro for backstab to change to a dagger mainhand and another one 2 another abillity to change back to sword main hand.
Awesome Vidz! Watched this particular video a handful of times, the only thing I noticed was a capitol "i" or possible a (not-capitol) "L". Around 9:17 and again at 9:56 "Damage over TIme" should be Damage over Time". You can fix it if you want too. Also Congratz on your sub with Good Gaming. I hope it FORCES you to make more video's, lol. :P
Great video as always,can you please tell what addons you used in this video?Since new patch 90% of my UI is gone to shit,so i would love to try out your UI.
i now get rogues coming up to me in durotar asking me how to do this do that, etc what they should do rogue .. and im just like go check out sativ on youtube man ...an they say i have but still dont know how to .. i have watched some of your videos like cd management and mind set of playing and i think that helps the most when playing .. one thing i have learned from you is how to think outside the box and not just numbers and abilitys thanks for your videos man i hope you do this shit full time :) keep it up brother :P
Hey Sativ! Love the videos man. Crazy question but when your demonstrating the play styles, whats the ui add ons you are using? Thanks in advance!! Keep up the awesome work!
Hi, thanks for the guide. I was just wondering when is it a good time to apply rupture on the opponent. According to the video, most of the stuffs are killing the opponent within seconds. What if he still alive, am i supposed to start using rupture after finish the rotation?
I love this video! It's so helpful! But I do have one problem with the openers. I run out of energy before I can get off the 2nd eviscerate. I was wondering if you could tell me how you have 130 energy instead of 100? Thanks!
Hi Sativ, that dance opener is the most similar to the older playstyle of rogues, is that the one you most commonly use in arena or do you save dance until after you force trinket/CDs with the stunlock opener?
Just wanted to say the addon that you added that displays the abilities you use that scroll across your screen mid center is awesome. Even you keep that for future videos I think that would be awesome! Also you have it so when your oppenent casts spells it slides the icon across your target? What addon is that? is it the same?
At level 100 we cant really 'gem' for anything in PvP since gear has no sockets. But Enchants we're forced to go secondary states like Crt/Mastery/Multistrike/Verstility or Haste.
When you mouse over a macro not using '#showtooltip" It will show nothing but a blank box with the name of the macro. Putting #showtooltip makes it so that your macro will show the tooltip instead. It will show Icon as long as your Macro's icon is the [ ? ] regardless of 'showtooltip'
hi! i would like to ask a little help in macro writing. I would like to make a stun macro for kidney and cheapshot for e.g. if I in nostealth it do kidney, but if i in stealth do cheapshot in one button for focus target. I made a macro but doesnt work: #showtooltip /cast [target=focus] [stance:1] kidney shot /cast [target=focus] [stance:0] cheap shot it always cast the mainly reads I thought that idea from my old WOTLK warrior macro when it worked #showtooltip Shield Bash /cancelaura bladestorm /cast [target=focus] [stance:1/2] shield bash /equip [stance:1/2] Crusader's Glory /equip [stance:1/2] Bulwark of the Royal Guard /cast [target=focus] [stance:3] pummel
what is your enchantment to make you swords look like that? i know what sword you have but im having a hard time finding the enchantment lol. would really appreciate it if you would answer
Sativ if you have a spare moment in your busy schedule if you could please tell me the macro bound to button 3?? i think its a sap, evis mfd evis or something like that i tried to make it myself but failed :( plis help :)
/cast [nomod,stance:0/2/3] Eviscerate /cancelaura Hand of Protection /cast [nomod,stance:1/2/3] Sap /cast [mod:shift,stance:0/1/2/3] Shadow Dance /cast [mod:ctrl,stance:0/1/2/3,@focus] Sap /cast [mod:alt] Ambush
As someone who is not familiar with your channel, it might be helpful for new viewers to note in the title that this pertains to PvP only. I was looking for raiding tips and happened to come across this video, but it doesn't do me that much good. Not upset about it, just might be helpful to others.
If I'm planning on opening with dance I usually pop dance before the ambush, because dance reduces the energy cost of ambush. Do you think this is a waste or is it worth it?
Wtf im trying to do the /castsequence reset=4 Eviscerate, Mark for Death, Eviscerate I put it in just like that and wont work and I have switched the commas for periods and still nothing??
Hej Sativ. Could you please tell me what kind of openers are you using for sub with different talents like Shadow Reflection or DFA ? Also, why don't you put feint into the opener rotation to get the versatility bonus? I've been working on my openers and I got a pretty fluent one with DFA and glyph of sanguinary vein but still struggling to get one with a good flow that'd utilize both shadow dance and DFA as well as most of the dmg due to the 50 energy cost of DFA, 20 of feint as well as number of globals and loooong animation of the DFA which kind of fucks up the flow. The basic opener I've been using looks like this (with hemo glyph) premed -> snd -> feint -> pool -> cheap shot -> hemo -> ambush -> feint -> KS -> MFD -> DFA Gives good control and 200-300k dmg (over 300 if you're lucky with crits). Without hemo glyph (replaced by garrote or cheap shot) it's almost the same but I had to drop feint in between to keep control premed -> snd -> feint -> pool -> chap shot -> 2-3 cp rupture -> ambush -> ambush -> KS -> MFD -> DFA Thanks for any tips.
You wont have the energy fort shit if you feint that much. premed -> snd -> feint -> pool -> chap shot -> will leave you with 1 second on Versatility buff. Why Bother?
Hey again mate! was wondering one thing about prey on the weak talent i cant seem to find the answer to. does the 10% dmg increase only count for your dmg? or other arena players too, when they attack the target?
Should i care if i took shadow focus instead of subtrifuge im only lvl 25 didnt want ot take it but did know waht i was doing at lvl 15 shoudl i just rool waht oyu have but keep the shadow focus and as soon as i can i should just reset ?
Is there any reason to ever use a 2 point rupture after your cheap shot in openers? Garrote gives the SV passive as well, but leaves you with more combo points to work with. Also, using cheap after garrote allows you to use more abilities within your stun.
I was so scared to use sub until I watched your video. im still pretty much a clicker which is bad to begin with. but I have your rotation on my attack bar and I just click across the bar to get them all off until i figure out how to do your macros. thanks for the video.
So I don't see you use a lot rupture. Just wondering does it worth to use it with less than 5 combo points just for the 20% increased buff? And should I spam backstab or hemo to build combo points?
In my experience playing rogue for a year, i would say that using rupture depends on the playstyle. Overall, rogue is a burst class so you want to have the most damage in limited windows of damage opportunity, so as sublety you want to use Eviscerate when the target has the 3 most importants debuffs (find weakness, a bleed, stun if you are using pray on the weak) because the main damage of the spec comes from it. You only want to apply a 2-combo-points Rupture in the oppener if you are not using hemo glyph, when you are waiting for cds in arenas and doing no damage, or if you like more the damage over time playstyle as he said. Hope it is useful
I was under the impression that poisons made the weapon damage trivial, daggers all the way. Honestly, I figured you'd be one of the first to cry "You're doing it wrong" if you main handed a sword while in sub spec. Nonetheless, good video.
The problem with double cheapshot opener is that there is around a half second between the the two stuns that the emeny has time to do something, like cc you.
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As i told everyone on Stream. Went to bed at 4am. Woke up when this was done rendering to upload for you all. Going back to bed.Once I wake up and spend some time with my dad who's in down Ill be streaming all day.
Just finished streaming an hours ago. Going to do some editing =)
Hey how are assassination rogues atm overall in 1v1s, 2s, 3s, 5s, or rbgs. I know sub will be way better for 3s and such but I love the poison and run play style which is like a feral but funner idk.
sir, i thank you for all your hard work so far. you made me a better rogue.
Second time watching this now. Really helpful, bud. Cheers for this!
I played assassination almost exclusively because I found that the openers and macros for sub were quite daunting. This has helped me SOSOSOSO Much.
dude omg I was looking everywhere for a videos like this ty u soo much!!!!! awesome video!!!
Thank you my friend, your guides are always the best ;)
about the sword / dagger main hand discusson. just make a equip macro for backstab to change to a dagger mainhand and another one 2 another abillity to change back to sword main hand.
im pretty new to rogues. been playing sub and its so dope. best class for world pvp
great guide sat, very well explained and thought out well done;-)
Woah thx man! Helped me alot :) And im an boss cause i read those tags :-) Keep it up dude you just got an sub :-) GJ
Awesome Vidz! Watched this particular video a handful of times, the only thing I noticed was a capitol "i" or possible a (not-capitol) "L". Around 9:17 and again at 9:56 "Damage over TIme" should be Damage over Time". You can fix it if you want too. Also Congratz on your sub with Good Gaming. I hope it FORCES you to make more video's, lol. :P
Thanks sativ for doing my request for the video ^_^ I do the rupture technique btw
Great video as always,can you please tell what addons you used in this video?Since new patch 90% of my UI is gone to shit,so i would love to try out your UI.
That's the next video.
=) since it can work at level 100 too.
i now get rogues coming up to me in durotar asking me how to do this do that, etc what they should do rogue .. and im just like go check out sativ on youtube man ...an they say i have but still dont know how to .. i have watched some of your videos like cd management and mind set of playing and i think that helps the most when playing .. one thing i have learned from you is how to think outside the box and not just numbers and abilitys thanks for your videos man i hope you do this shit full time :) keep it up brother :P
Awesome dude! Thanks for doing this! Those macros are awesome!!
thx for the tips bro I know you are the best rogue in the world
Great video, it really made me want to play my rogue again but how do you feel rogues will be in WOD?
Hey Sativ! Love the videos man. Crazy question but when your demonstrating the play styles, whats the ui add ons you are using? Thanks in advance!! Keep up the awesome work!
Check out the addons video on the front page.
I can imagine the bleed opener being VERY powerful when stacking multistrike at 100.
perfect guide thanks a lot! 10/5 stars
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Can you make a video that explains how to make a swap to a target while getting trained. Or how to set up burst from out of stealth?
Hey sativ.Nice video.What about Hemospam build?its avalibl?
I'm about to start playing wow again. Was wondering if u could put together an addon guide along with all the other update videos ur doing.
Hi, thanks for the guide. I was just wondering when is it a good time to apply rupture on the opponent. According to the video, most of the stuffs are killing the opponent within seconds. What if he still alive, am i supposed to start using rupture after finish the rotation?
will you do assassination and combat? I'd love that
I love this video! It's so helpful! But I do have one problem with the openers. I run out of energy before I can get off the 2nd eviscerate. I was wondering if you could tell me how you have 130 energy instead of 100? Thanks!
Hey Sativ :) I really enjoyed your guide but I wonder what is this 1H sword ? :D It's really cool ;)
The add-on that show your enemy recent casts on that avatar,what is that?
Hi Sativ, that dance opener is the most similar to the older playstyle of rogues, is that the one you most commonly use in arena or do you save dance until after you force trinket/CDs with the stunlock opener?
What add on to you us to show ur combo points and the sec's on the spells?
During the openers is that some kind of rotation "helper"? If so which?
Just wanted to say the addon that you added that displays the abilities you use that scroll across your screen mid center is awesome. Even you keep that for future videos I think that would be awesome! Also you have it so when your oppenent casts spells it slides the icon across your target? What addon is that? is it the same?
TrufiGCD is the name of the addon. it's both =)
Sativ, what's the addon that shows abilities you and your enemies are using as they use them? IT scrolls off to the side.
Can you write out the sap macro? If I spam it, it unstealths me. Around the stance are those brackets?
Hey, im wanting to play subtlety rogue for wod but was wondering what 2's comps they are strong with and do they work well with feral druids?
Curious on your gems / enchants... would it not be wise to stack as much agi as possible? If not, why?
Just because of how well crt/mastery scales per point at 90.
Gotchya. How about at lvl 100 though?
At level 100 we cant really 'gem' for anything in PvP since gear has no sockets. But Enchants we're forced to go secondary states like Crt/Mastery/Multistrike/Verstility or Haste.
Hey man i cant make that Eviscerate + Marked for death macro work??
it just dosent do anything when i press it. please help.
cheers for the vid bro! bit of a noob question but in a macro what does the showtooltip do?
When you mouse over a macro not using '#showtooltip" It will show nothing but a blank box with the name of the macro. Putting #showtooltip makes it so that your macro will show the tooltip instead.
It will show Icon as long as your Macro's icon is the [ ? ] regardless of 'showtooltip'
cheers man ^ i will finally sleep well :)
hi!
i would like to ask a little help in macro writing. I would like to make a stun macro for kidney and cheapshot for e.g. if I in nostealth it do kidney, but if i in stealth do cheapshot in one button for focus target.
I made a macro but doesnt work:
#showtooltip
/cast [target=focus] [stance:1] kidney shot
/cast [target=focus] [stance:0] cheap shot
it always cast the mainly reads
I thought that idea from my old WOTLK warrior macro when it worked
#showtooltip Shield Bash
/cancelaura bladestorm
/cast [target=focus] [stance:1/2] shield bash
/equip [stance:1/2] Crusader's Glory
/equip [stance:1/2] Bulwark of the Royal Guard
/cast [target=focus] [stance:3] pummel
what is your enchantment to make you swords look like that? i know what sword you have but im having a hard time finding the enchantment lol. would really appreciate it if you would answer
Sativ if you have a spare moment in your busy schedule if you could please tell me the macro bound to button 3?? i think its a sap, evis mfd evis or something like that i tried to make it myself but failed :( plis help :)
/cast [nomod,stance:0/2/3] Eviscerate
/cancelaura Hand of Protection
/cast [nomod,stance:1/2/3] Sap
/cast [mod:shift,stance:0/1/2/3] Shadow Dance
/cast [mod:ctrl,stance:0/1/2/3,@focus] Sap
/cast [mod:alt] Ambush
thank you very much! Your the man bro!
^_^
Sativ what's that addon that scrolls abilities used to the left as they are used?? It looks pretty useful
trufigcd
Do have a macro that casts ambush when its up with subtrefuge then cancels subtrefuge and casts hemo when ambush can no longer be cast ?
What addon shows your succesful actions scrolling right to left on your screen? I want that.
TrufiGCD lol 1 month later gg sativ.
Dumb question: How do you get dancing steel on weapons above 600 iLvL?
As someone who is not familiar with your channel, it might be helpful for new viewers to note in the title that this pertains to PvP only. I was looking for raiding tips and happened to come across this video, but it doesn't do me that much good.
Not upset about it, just might be helpful to others.
If I'm planning on opening with dance I usually pop dance before the ambush, because dance reduces the energy cost of ambush. Do you think this is a waste or is it worth it?
Wtf im trying to do the
/castsequence reset=4 Eviscerate, Mark for Death, Eviscerate
I put it in just like that and wont work and I have switched the commas for periods and still nothing??
Hej Sativ. Could you please tell me what kind of openers are you using for sub with different talents like Shadow Reflection or DFA ? Also, why don't you put feint into the opener rotation to get the versatility bonus?
I've been working on my openers and I got a pretty fluent one with DFA and glyph of sanguinary vein but still struggling to get one with a good flow that'd utilize both shadow dance and DFA as well as most of the dmg due to the 50 energy cost of DFA, 20 of feint as well as number of globals and loooong animation of the DFA which kind of fucks up the flow.
The basic opener I've been using looks like this (with hemo glyph)
premed -> snd -> feint -> pool -> cheap shot -> hemo -> ambush -> feint -> KS -> MFD -> DFA
Gives good control and 200-300k dmg (over 300 if you're lucky with crits).
Without hemo glyph (replaced by garrote or cheap shot) it's almost the same but I had to drop feint in between to keep control
premed -> snd -> feint -> pool -> chap shot -> 2-3 cp rupture -> ambush -> ambush -> KS -> MFD -> DFA
Thanks for any tips.
You wont have the energy fort shit if you feint that much.
premed -> snd -> feint -> pool -> chap shot -> will leave you with 1 second on Versatility buff. Why Bother?
Hey was wondering if subt rogue is a strong /viable class for 2's and what 2's dps the comp well with
Hey again mate! was wondering one thing about prey on the weak talent i cant seem to find the answer to. does the 10% dmg increase only count for your dmg? or other arena players too, when they attack the target?
Says it right in the Tooltip: All Sources.
so i should use dagger+ sword? rather than dagger+dagger?
Idk if you mentioned it yet but how bout a ambush backstab macro?
Should i care if i took shadow focus instead of subtrifuge im only lvl 25 didnt want ot take it but did know waht i was doing at lvl 15 shoudl i just rool waht oyu have but keep the shadow focus and as soon as i can i should just reset ?
What is the effect/ enchant on your weapons?!??!!
did Dagger and Sword better than 2x dagger ?
Is there any reason to ever use a 2 point rupture after your cheap shot in openers? Garrote gives the SV passive as well, but leaves you with more combo points to work with. Also, using cheap after garrote allows you to use more abilities within your stun.
Not always good to overlap silence and Stun.
SusejFTW Why's that?
*****
Some times you want to cheap->Kidney->Garrote to lock out healers for example.
SusejFTW Okay, thanks for the responses.
Why cancel subterfuge and stealth b4 dance?
I was so scared to use sub until I watched your video. im still pretty much a clicker which is bad to begin with. but I have your rotation on my attack bar and I just click across the bar to get them all off until i figure out how to do your macros. thanks for the video.
Can you do one for assassination please? :)
Can you do a 6.0.2 assa guide too?
So I don't see you use a lot rupture. Just wondering does it worth to use it with less than 5 combo points just for the 20% increased buff? And should I spam backstab or hemo to build combo points?
You want the 20% Damage from Hemo /w Glyph or Rupture
In my experience playing rogue for a year, i would say that using rupture depends on the playstyle. Overall, rogue is a burst class so you want to have the most damage in limited windows of damage opportunity, so as sublety you want to use Eviscerate when the target has the 3 most importants debuffs (find weakness, a bleed, stun if you are using pray on the weak) because the main damage of the spec comes from it. You only want to apply a 2-combo-points Rupture in the oppener if you are not using hemo glyph, when you are waiting for cds in arenas and doing no damage, or if you like more the damage over time playstyle as he said. Hope it is useful
I was under the impression that poisons made the weapon damage trivial, daggers all the way.
Honestly, I figured you'd be one of the first to cry "You're doing it wrong" if you main handed a sword while in sub spec.
Nonetheless, good video.
The problem with double cheapshot opener is that there is around a half second between the the two stuns that the emeny has time to do something, like cc you.
Which as i said. The CS->KS is 100 times more efficient. The other one is only really strong in bgs vs mongos.
SusejFTW So in an arena you would 100% of the times go for a cheap into kidney opener with or without dance?
99% of the time.
Help, every time o do the premed snd. It puts me into auto attack and I open before I mean to with autoattack. How do I stop this?
are you right clicking your target? Because that starts attack.
Tab to target, I'll link the macro when I get home
SusejFTW I fingered it out. I just made a new macro.
Do you ever macro your openers? I'm not quite fast enough, and I usually panic and mash the wrong buttons.
vandamwtc I dont macro them. I'm very comfortable with my rotation.
by far you are my rogue idol :D
please write you have 2 daggers and on transmog 2 swords how?:):D
that eviscerate macro dont work for me so i wud love if some1 can tell me what i do wrong. ty :)
hey men and lvl 100 what talent u have?
I dont understand the openers :P I have to use garrote or rupture for a bleed to be able to get the hemorrhage debuff.
Stop using ther minor glyph
Haha lol thanks :P i fail xD
can you copy 2 sub macro?
AMAZING GUIDE
tyvm sir, u are awesome!!
you got a subscriber...gj mate
Thanks for info
gonna watch this video a couple times because I suck ass at sub
Nice guide,but i hope u will make a new one for lvl 100 pls!
Nice guide m8
8:13 book mark
hey, im a big fan, im typing the evis. mfd, evis macro exactly the same but its not working :(
can you make an assassination guide too ? :)
On the Sword vs Dagger Debat- Does OH matter?
Im intrested in this too cos I have been rocking sword offhand for that dancing steel
Looking at his armory, that's what he does, sword OH dagger MH.
Cannabis sativa clever name..
can you put macros in desccription plz
thanks dude! :D
Assasination guide pls! I love poisons :P
I watch pshero too he former rank 1 2.8k+ last season
Godly rogue. I wish to one day be as skilled as him =)
He is not a former rank 1..
Please do a 30+ minute macro video I would watch the shit out of that.
can u post your macros so we can copy and paste?
how to download that wow? plz someone teach me :(
Please for the love of all assassinations make an assassination video of this xd.
neat bruv
my god, 242 likes in 3 days :O
nice videos, can you add more macros ? :D
plz link your twitch stream
found it
Carnage thanks you lol :)
This was made with you in mind. not even jk. Many people like you and the rogues on the forums. people in my stream. all of you made this happen
I've already watched it like five times and changed some macros
Assassination !
Combat guide!
you have lots of macros that for sure ;) i already struggle with all the keybinds, i cant imagine having more!
It takes a lot of practice to get used to them. But the key was making them systematically organized for my personal preference.