This video especially - although, combined with your others - really helped me fill in the gaps of knowledge to understand my rogue. I practice the focus abilities and openers by soloing trash in heroic/challenge dungeons. I recently started trying out paralytic poison over mind-numbing and here are some points I feel warrant it almost being a necessity now that I've given it a true chance: - The spell-slowing effect from mind-numb is only 10% in pvp unless you shiv - How many times have you wished you could root a melee off you or a healer to catch a re-stealth or even just bandage. - Fan of knives now has a chance to stun your target while kiting and getting combo points. - The stun doesn't stack with your other stuns and somehow always seems to land me a long-ass stun (and if you're looking for it you can really mess people up and force cds) - The "root" is not a normal one in the sense that damage CAN'T break it. - Melee aren't really effected by mind-numbing. - You could open with a shiv instead of a stun on a mage, to make him blink but no stun DR. Just some thoughts and thanks for all the info.
I was watching this video to learn how to better my sub game, when I noticed that I am not Subscribed, even though I was pretty damn sure that I did. Thank you for the video, I was able to use this to gain 30 rating or so playing some 3s till ddosing via time warner cable. Thank you for breaking this down Sativ.
Almost always been a good player. But was always crap with rogues. I learned PvE earlier this year and rock at it. Now its time to learn PvP. Great vids, I'm learning a lot.
If I had to pick 3 Informationals that are perfect for new rogues. These are it Energy Pooling Basics - Simple Tips to Improve as a Rogue - [Sativ] [Rogue] How to Maximize your Burst Potential as Subtlety - [Sativ] [5.4] [5.4] How to effectively Control in Arena - [Sativ]
Just to let you know you re awesome. Your guides helped me so much. Would be awesome if you could do some dueling guides. Something to tell us what to expect when fighting each class and how would you approach them.
Sativ, I watched video 1 and now this one. Are you manually popping out of stealth? (not waiting for it to finish its duration? like popping out and hemo or rupturing?) sorry im so new rogue and pvp
I very curious what the macro is your using to use backstab in subterfuge. I understand its a stance macro some how but I'm confused how its set to ambush in regular stealth and once you hemo it switches to backstab while subterfuge is up. I know stealth and subterfuge is the same stance so your whole back is changing. Just wondering how you set that up since it doesn't look like you canceled subterfuge either. Thanks hope you can help
Hi SusejFTW, I was wondering. How are you able to Garrote and then Cheap Shot? My Garrote breaks my stealth, so I can't Cheap Shot. Please help me out.
So by backstabbing instead of ambushing while opening you lose over 25% damage per attack as well as only generating one combo point instead of two. Which is really hilarious considering the big damage from sub rogues comes from finishers. For the newer rogues out there his initial opener in this video starts with cs>hemo>bs>bs>Evis. Which is a net of 175 energy. While a more effective opener in this scenario is cs>hemo>Ambush>Evis. Which is a net of 165 energy. I think you will find the latter to not only be faster with a saved global cooldown, but also saves energy and allows you to sustain your dps out of subterfuge. While also giving more burst damage through the best combo point generator we have as rogues. enjoy
I've done a lot of testing. At your crt chance with procs up your will ALWAYS have 5 combo points after 2 backstabs, you will also deal more damage. as Ambushes DPE (Damager Per Energy) is lower than Backstab with FW up and procs / no Shadow Dance.
So, I got my rogue to 90 a few weeks ago and I'm about 3 pieces from full pride and I've already gotten pretty good but I have a question. Sanginary veins passive (idk how to spell it) also happens with garrote up, so why not just garrote on every opener instead of use hemp or rupt? Sure, if you can't get a reset and your vanishes are on cd then you sort of have to use rupt without the I glyph, but it would free up a glyph slot.
Because in some openers you want to save your Garrote for it's Silence aspect to lock out a healer. You want to open with a Stun as your first CC so they stay in place. The silence should be used after to lock him out.
That's a hard skill to talk about. It's mostly dependent on getting your enemy into a situation where they can't use defensive CDs to reduce your damage Then blasting into them off a simple restealth- OR dancing. You can use the No Dance opener with blades just as effectively as with it. ^^
Hey Sativ, returning rogue here from a 2 year break. Enjoying your vids, they're super informative. Anyway I was just wondering...I was studying the tooltips and doing some testing on a dummy (practicing burst rotations etc) It seems like rupture (with cheap shot glyph) does more damage over a shorter amount of time then hemo but Hemo (with hemo vein glyph) is a little easier and more flexible (little more room for mistakes and easier bleed uptime aka cost no combo points but generates them). Do you find this to be true? I was just looking at some top ranked rogues and almost all of them use glyph of hemo (not that I should use it for that reason).
Well I thought it looked really cool, and thanks, also would you be able to do an updated macro rotation guide for sub rogue I cant seem to find one and it would be very helpful
I know it's not fair! I just didn't know if you had a secret or tip, obviously save dance/blades for 35% health if you can.. But it's hard as crap to do that!
***** The best bet my friend, Is to some how, some way. Get their Trinket- And Nimble Brew (breaks stuns) Then reset (or just run!) and wait till he's off stun DR- Find a way into stealth (10% damage) and open him as hard as you can with Blades, Dance, Everything. You want to kill him in a CS/Kidney Shot.
I dont know how but why u do so much dmg i have the same gear the same enchanting everthing are the same but i never did 140k in arena like u ?? How is that impossible
Hola, actualmente juego en un servidor privado MEWET .. MOP 5.4.8 y siguiendo tus consejos te puedo asegurar que no hago todo ese daño, si mucho le bajo la mitad de vida, es porque el Rogue ya esta off ..eso dicen. ..................................... Hello, currently playing on a private server .. MOP MEWET 5.4.8 and following your advice I can assure you that I do all that damage, if much you under half life is longer because the Rogue off ..eso say.
Hola, puedes activar subtitulos en la parte inferior del vídeo, te salen en ingles pero le das en opciones, traducir automáticamente, y buscas español.. No es una traducción perfecta pero se entiende un 60%
I also found this very useful and interesting for anyone interested - the official list of diminishing returns and their categories: us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10195910192
Hmm allright, i have another question, i heard cheapshot opening has become useless because of diminishing returns. You can better use a full kidney shot and use you 3 sec free subterfuge damage to get 5 combos. Whats your opinion in this?
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This video especially - although, combined with your others - really helped me fill in the gaps of knowledge to understand my rogue. I practice the focus abilities and openers by soloing trash in heroic/challenge dungeons.
I recently started trying out paralytic poison over mind-numbing and here are some points I feel warrant it almost being a necessity now that I've given it a true chance:
- The spell-slowing effect from mind-numb is only 10% in pvp unless you shiv
- How many times have you wished you could root a melee off you or a healer to catch a re-stealth or even just bandage.
- Fan of knives now has a chance to stun your target while kiting and getting combo points.
- The stun doesn't stack with your other stuns and somehow always seems to land me a long-ass stun (and if you're looking for it you can really mess people up and force cds)
- The "root" is not a normal one in the sense that damage CAN'T break it.
- Melee aren't really effected by mind-numbing.
- You could open with a shiv instead of a stun on a mage, to make him blink but no stun DR.
Just some thoughts and thanks for all the info.
I was watching this video to learn how to better my sub game, when I noticed that I am not Subscribed, even though I was pretty damn sure that I did. Thank you for the video, I was able to use this to gain 30 rating or so playing some 3s till ddosing via time warner cable. Thank you for breaking this down Sativ.
Time Warner DDOS OP
Wow man, this is making all the difference I needed to open with backstab for the energy cost savings. Thanks again!
Almost always been a good player. But was always crap with rogues. I learned PvE earlier this year and rock at it. Now its time to learn PvP. Great vids, I'm learning a lot.
I like how - vs the priest - you saved your energy by using backstab and saved shadow dance for the silence.
If I had to pick 3 Informationals that are perfect for new rogues. These are it
Energy Pooling Basics - Simple Tips to Improve as a Rogue - [Sativ]
[Rogue] How to Maximize your Burst Potential as Subtlety - [Sativ] [5.4]
[5.4] How to effectively Control in Arena - [Sativ]
dude you're so consistent with your vids it's crazy lol keep up the good work!
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You know how we dooooo~
Subscribed! Thanks for putting out all these rogue videos, have improved my game dramatically!
Thanks for the sub Trevor.
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Very informational, but yet very entertaining! Great job, keep up the work man!!
^^
You do great on explanation.Real nice to see someone with expert knowledge to share.Thnks man.
/salute
Here's #1 Incase you missed it How to Open in PvP - [5.4.7 Subtlety Rogue PvP] (3 Openers for Different Situations) [Sativ]
"And most of the time.... we're trying to SHIT on our enemies" God I love that so much.
still useful for those cheeky private server players :D MoP
Bezda 12 warmane right?
nice))What addons do you use?
Loved it :) exactly what i was looking. Time to go tear some new ones into people. Thanks dude!
Go stab some newbs for me
Just to let you know you re awesome. Your guides helped me so much. Would be awesome if you could do some dueling guides. Something to tell us what to expect when fighting each class and how would you approach them.
that's a good idea. I'm thinking on focusing on what CD's to watch for and a basic strategy
SusejFTW keep up the good work bro and thanks for everything :)
How do you manage to keep SnD running in the madness of PvP?
Really nice tips man, im thinking about playing my rogue again so this was really helpful! :)
Awesome!
Do you usually macro your openers into a cast sequence for simplicity purposes?
your videos are so helpful new to rogue love it.
Sativ, I watched video 1 and now this one. Are you manually popping out of stealth? (not waiting for it to finish its duration? like popping out and hemo or rupturing?) sorry im so new rogue and pvp
Simple, understandable guide. Liked and sub'd :). Keep it up mate!
How do you garrote something after you have already attacked them? Garrote uses stealth
I very curious what the macro is your using to use backstab in subterfuge. I understand its a stance macro some how but I'm confused how its set to ambush in regular stealth and once you hemo it switches to backstab while subterfuge is up. I know stealth and subterfuge is the same stance so your whole back is changing. Just wondering how you set that up since it doesn't look like you canceled subterfuge either. Thanks hope you can help
Hi SusejFTW, I was wondering. How are you able to Garrote and then Cheap Shot? My Garrote breaks my stealth, so I can't Cheap Shot. Please help me out.
do you do any assassination rogue pvp tutorial videos just like subtlety
I am planning to make some, same for combat.
Hey Sativ, just a question, all these openers, stunlock, silence, no cooldowns, etc you use them with subterfuge?
this might be late but how do u manage stealth bars,nonstealth to pull these? do u have like 6+ bars ?
So by backstabbing instead of ambushing while opening you lose over 25% damage per attack as well as only generating one combo point instead of two. Which is really hilarious considering the big damage from sub rogues comes from finishers. For the newer rogues out there his initial opener in this video starts with cs>hemo>bs>bs>Evis. Which is a net of 175 energy. While a more effective opener in this scenario is cs>hemo>Ambush>Evis. Which is a net of 165 energy. I think you will find the latter to not only be faster with a saved global cooldown, but also saves energy and allows you to sustain your dps out of subterfuge. While also giving more burst damage through the best combo point generator we have as rogues. enjoy
I've done a lot of testing. At your crt chance with procs up your will ALWAYS have 5 combo points after 2 backstabs, you will also deal more damage. as Ambushes DPE (Damager Per Energy) is lower than Backstab with FW up and procs / no Shadow Dance.
So, I got my rogue to 90 a few weeks ago and I'm about 3 pieces from full pride and I've already gotten pretty good but I have a question. Sanginary veins passive (idk how to spell it) also happens with garrote up, so why not just garrote on every opener instead of use hemp or rupt? Sure, if you can't get a reset and your vanishes are on cd then you sort of have to use rupt without the I glyph, but it would free up a glyph slot.
Because in some openers you want to save your Garrote for it's Silence aspect to lock out a healer.
You want to open with a Stun as your first CC so they stay in place. The silence should be used after to lock him out.
Read your tooltip energy for garrote.
Please sativ cant i get the macros u have on ur 1-5 keys ? with the cheap shot and backstab and those u use when u open on someone..
when should i use shadow blades in a fight for most efficiency?
That's a hard skill to talk about. It's mostly dependent on getting your enemy into a situation where they can't use defensive CDs to reduce your damage
Then blasting into them off a simple restealth- OR dancing. You can use the No Dance opener with blades just as effectively as with it. ^^
Hey Sativ, returning rogue here from a 2 year break. Enjoying your vids, they're super informative. Anyway I was just wondering...I was studying the tooltips and doing some testing on a dummy (practicing burst rotations etc) It seems like rupture (with cheap shot glyph) does more damage over a shorter amount of time then hemo but Hemo (with hemo vein glyph) is a little easier and more flexible (little more room for mistakes and easier bleed uptime aka cost no combo points but generates them). Do you find this to be true? I was just looking at some top ranked rogues and almost all of them use glyph of hemo (not that I should use it for that reason).
I agree 100%. Hemo just makes you more flexable. While rupture can be a stronger opener if it returns it's 25 energy. Hemo just makes swaps easier.
back when wow was fun :/ ... how you keeping bro?
How did you get the 2 griffin heads like that?
You are the first person to ask about my Gryphons. MoveAnything lets you unlock/move any element of the normal UI
Well I thought it looked really cool, and thanks, also would you be able to do an updated macro rotation guide for sub rogue I cant seem to find one and it would be very helpful
what option or addon is it that tells you "+25 Energy" i like it and i would be nice to have also thanks for making the vid it helps a lot =)
Hi suse, which lv 100 talent u think is good for assassination xd?
shadow reflection or venom rush
SusejFTW Ah i see im not sure which one to choose tho....
3:25 that wasn't MFD Evis.. no offense :D
I know its an old video, but can I get in contact with you in game, I want to learn first hand in some cases ! help please :D
link your real id
dont laugh lol, XIAmLegendX#1289
Nice vid!
Could you write me this backstab macro please? Because everytime im trying to do it, im still using ambush in dance and stealth :/
You rock sativ
what addons do you use?
Addons to Improve Awareness in PvP - [Sativ] [5.4] [Addon Guide]
Dueling guide on how to beat warr/ monks.... There the only two classes I can't seem to get!
Duels are insanely hard. Monks and Warriors have some of the strongest self healing (once at 35%) Monks are probably the best 1v1 class in wow.
I know it's not fair! I just didn't know if you had a secret or tip, obviously save dance/blades for 35% health if you can.. But it's hard as crap to do that!
Either way! Great vids man I love watching your videos!!
*****
The best bet my friend, Is to some how, some way. Get their Trinket- And Nimble Brew (breaks stuns) Then reset (or just run!) and wait till he's off stun DR- Find a way into stealth (10% damage) and open him as hard as you can with Blades, Dance, Everything. You want to kill him in a CS/Kidney Shot.
WHat addonds are u usning and macros?
A lot of macros. Every single slot is a macro for different things. I have addon videos on my channel as well.
You Sir, made my day.
There's not better feeling. Then making some ones day!
Is this guide ok to use in 5.4.2?
Not sure if Hemo Glyph exists in 5.4.2
omg thank you i lost 30 pounds just by watching this video.
Great job as always man
Glad to hear you enjoyed!
i miss this
As always great video!!!!
Thanks.
I dont know how but why u do so much dmg i have the same gear the same enchanting everthing are the same but i never did 140k in arena like u ?? How is that impossible
Well explained mate!
very helpful thx man
Hola, actualmente juego en un servidor privado MEWET .. MOP 5.4.8 y siguiendo tus consejos te puedo asegurar que no hago todo ese daño, si mucho le bajo la mitad de vida, es porque el Rogue ya esta off ..eso dicen.
.....................................
Hello, currently playing on a private server .. MOP MEWET 5.4.8 and following your advice I can assure you that I do all that damage, if much you under half life is longer because the Rogue off ..eso say.
thnx man
np
buen vídeo solo no entiendo el inglés :'v si me das una guía en español te lo agradecería o una rotación :C
gracias :)
Hola, puedes activar subtitulos en la parte inferior del vídeo, te salen en ingles pero le das en opciones, traducir automáticamente, y buscas español.. No es una traducción perfecta pero se entiende un 60%
god I miss MoP/WoD rogue :(
Same Fam
YOu...Friggin...rock!!!!
No you do =)
Much wow and ooooooo
Such WOOOOOOOW
I also found this very useful and interesting for anyone interested - the official list of diminishing returns and their categories:
us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10195910192
How do you garrote something after you have already attacked them? Garrote uses stealth
Subterfuge
Hmm allright, i have another question, i heard cheapshot opening has become useless because of diminishing returns. You can better use a full kidney shot and use you 3 sec free subterfuge damage to get 5 combos. Whats your opinion in this?