thanks. appreciate it. I do need to figure out a format that is at least a little more interesting. haha I put myself to sleep sometimes. I should have called me channel the Surfers' Melatonin 😁
thanks so much for this, you can learn so much from these videos. I hope these companies start to realize how much an impact this can have for selling boards!
Great to see you tried the setup Thomye, looks like you got on with it well - certainly made the best of the waves! Great surfing 👍🤙 I run the NVS stabiliser too, it's a great fin. looking at the fin box setups on the Sunday, they are much more clustered than on my 6'6 Egg. This is likely to benefit the board being surfed as a real twin fin. That setup backhand was certainly a game changer on a similarish board for me. Great content as ever! Hope you are well 👍👍
I grind a small notch in the front lug that the angled grub screw can bite on to hold the front of the fin down. This is so the fin can't lever itself out if you hit something.
A lot of speed & quicker, tighter maneuverability, even on the smaller size waves! I’m always messing with fin size, set up & configuration’s. It pushes my surfing by experimentation. Also can turn a lame board into a magic board, if you get the proper fin set up in it. NVS fin’s are great! I’ve grabbed some Dan Mann & Noel Salas model’s & I’ve been stoked on the quality & performance with all of them. I gotta get me a few of those stabilizer fin’s now! Can’t wait to see how the single fin review comes out.
Agreed on NVS fins. Great fins but even better company. the quality of the Apex series are amazing and I love the stiffness of them. I think because they are so stiff, they can make them thinner which then allows them to flex a bit. But it's a really quick twangy flex. I inquired about the C Drive fins to try out on the Sunday. Can't wait to try them out. for sure get the stabilizer from NVS. I have 3, one single tab, two tab, and I also run the 4.0's as a bigger stabilizer with my smaller side twin fins.
watching you in the smaller surf actually is helpful for me being a great lakes surfer cause thats pretty close to what we get for conditions! gonna try out the twin+trailer set up, thanks for the info
surfing the great lakes is a bucket list for me. seems odd since there are much better places to to go but the idea of it is pretty awesome. I actually saw a video when I was a kid, it was a hoax but it said it was one of the lakes and since then, it has been on my list. :)
@@ThomyeSurfs haha nice well if ya ever decide to make the trip lmk. followed u on instagram if you wanna see some actual footage, but what u guys consider a bad day i would count as good here :)
Really looking forward to the single only video! On my way to buy some trailer find to try out. Curious how you would compare against boards like sharpeye ht you reviewed or seaside and beyond?
I'll have to mention it but the way I feel about it now is this. Based on volume alone, 38 vs 40, the Sunday is 8" shorter but almost floats just as well. not having that swing weight, I can actually surf the Sunday more like a normal board. So I would give that to the Sunday hands down. Comparing length, say something like the Sunday 6'8 to the Beyond 6'8, that might go to the Beyond because of the 8L you save. It might surf better in terms of performance. Having said that, the Sunday at 6'8 is more like a mid length especially with that fin box. We will find out soon enough. I have a 6'8 coming in. :)
The opening shot was money ....... May use it as your go-to introduction. Imagine the 5'6 with the T1 only without the trailer ....... Golden! For a larger surface area go with the Futures EN's. Looking at your fin set up IMHO too much fun with the trailer.
Great vid! I had a question about the twin stabilizer from Lost/Futures that you mentioned. It looks as if it is set further back than the one you used in the video. Could you let us know if that worked better as a 2+1? Strongly looking to purchase one but I’d rather not be limited to a dedicated twin on my backside. Thanks!
The offset makes the board a fraction more tight. Holds during turns a tad better and not as much slipage. Without the offset, the fins are a tad clustered. Still works to stabilize but not as well.
Great review! Here you mention that the trailer fin does not go back far enough.... how did that effect the performance compared to a more common stabilizer fin placement?
tad looser. where it was, at the very back, it just felt like a very clustered thruster. better hold than a straight twin for sure but since you go with non keels in a 2+1 setup, it loses a bit of drive. you pivot point bets moved up a few inches too. using the lost trailer in the US box setup pushes the fin back about 1 to 1.5 inches. that felt better for certain things but also made the turns a tad bigger.
I think I'm going to get S&B in 6'8 and roll the dice even though fairly long,(wish he would make in 6'6 or even 6'4) it seems to work in decent waves on your video that are just soft rollers, which is a wave I will be riding in baja for a week. I think for the waves I will surf at 1st pt it should be better than the Sunday hopefully . I let you know how it goes-thanks bro!
I know what you mean, 6'5 to 6'6 would have been perfect for me. Funny thing, my normal shortboard back in the 90's when I weighed 170lbs was 6'4. LOL. dang my 6'8 S&B seems giant but it is only 4" longer than what I considered my short board 25 years ago. :(
What is your idea on the newish Britt Merick Twins for the Sunday? Do you think they could be a good compromise between a keel and the smaller, apparently too upright twins in the FCS range? Thanks for your work for us less accomplished surfers! 💪
normally I would say no to any normal modern twin on the Sunday, at least not without a stabilizer, especially if you are a heavy front footed surfer like myself. Having said that, the new Britt twin appears to be a semi keel. It's sort of slimmed down from a traditional keel. They almost look like Robs quad keel front fins (the seaside fins). Because there is a small bit of fin hanging over the base, I think your correct about the "good" compromise. At times, my Machado keels on the Sunday are a bit much and the NVS surf prescription Tall Boys are not enough due to the very narrow tips; i need a stabilizer with that fin. So the Britt Twin looks good. They have the wide base and keel hangover and they also have a slightly wider tip. I think they would go great in the Sunday.
now you are making me rewatch my videos. LOL I just recently hopped on this board on a soft high tide day but while it was out, it got big. I managed to droop in on some 3' to 4' overhead waves. board is much harder to surf under those conditions. haha. but it was so easy to get into waves. But for sure, this particular board is staying in my quiver. :)
@@ThomyeSurfs many years ago , in the 90’s bought a 7’6” Egg for smaller conditions. Ended up surfing it all the time because you could dominate any line up and still pull off the same maneuvers like you do on a short board. Looking to buy another one , hence why I’m watching your vids. Thanks
Hi Thomye. I have a 6'8" S&B in Timbertek that I will be selling and thinking of replacing with a Sunday. I am shorter (5'5" @ 160lbs) and find the S&B too long, and the Timbertek too heavy. I have a 5'4" Sweet Potato, which I love love love. Would you recommend the Sunday in 6'0" or 6'4" for my size? I am leaning towards the 6'0" but worried it might be too close to my Sweet Potato. Thank you.
6' is plenty enough for you weight. I think it's 38. If you go with the 6'4, it might start to feel too much like the S&B form a bulk perspective. the 5'4 sweet potato is roughly 35 so that 6' sunday would be a slightly better groveler but also since it is narrow and has a round pin tail, it will handle bigger waves better. remember a couple of things. in terms of paddle, the sunday will be slightly better. in terms of planing bascially getting to float speed, the sweet potato is better cuz of width so the two offset each other each other and will catch waves similarly. but, the will surf night and day different. The sweet potato will stop at about 3ft waves. maybe 4 if it is a slow wave. The sunday will go better in punchier conditions and bigger. not sure if you saw my first review but some of those waves were decent size. no way i could have done that good a turn on a 5'2 sweet potato and definitely not on a 5'4. but i'm also only 140lbs. Besides, the 6'10 TT S&B is like 47L, the sunday 6'4 is 45 but helium so they are almost the same in terms of buoyancy. since you seem to love your 5'4 SweetP, i would say 6'0 Sunday.
i think that box would be further forward than your standard 2 plus one set up. did you measure how far up the back fin was? I like my rear fin at 3 1/4 back but with a smaller stabilizer like that, i guess they are a bit further forward as less length behind the rear tab. Also, do you do all surf footage with the solo shot camera? Thanks
Great videos with a lot of surfing for us to check out before the purchase Thomye! I just bought the 6'0 Sunday for soft days. I have Tyler warren 2+1(blue/red /White fins) and CI Keel twins. Do I need a different set of twins and I will buy the Lost(all in one) for twin trailer? And now that you had awhile- what was best fins for 2+1? Thanks!
2+1 for sure was the most all around best fin. stable, predictable, etc. Basically, super familiar. Twin keels were fun and fast. I pan to try again as a single. from what people have told me, I had the fin up too far forward. as an FYI, i leave it as a 2+1 so if I grab it, that is usually how i'm surfing it. I'll only switch it up if I think I want to feel something different. Cheers bro
Late to the Sunday party. More like a Monday. Boom boom crash! Anyway… fin question… regarding the trailer on the bigger models, still shoving that trailer all the way back? Same cluster? Great reviews for years.
on the bigger boards, I use a different trailer now. www.surfnvs.com/collections/apex-longboard-1/products/stabilizer-apex-1 if you notice, the mount point can go all the way back in the longboard box but the fin extends past it. The stabilizer that I used in the video worked too but was a tad looser since it sat up 1" up. It's a fun option to have. I do mostly surf it as a twin but only because I tend to surfing it in softer conditions. when it gets good, I opt for my shorter more performance boards. I just surfed my 6' as a thruster with the same type of fin with the offset. Let me know what you think, it's only a short video though: ua-cam.com/users/shortsPHgPUqsDpkw Cheers.
@@ThomyeSurfs Gotcha. I used the NVS trailer that more or less resembled the Slater Twin “shark fin” trailer and didn’t love it. I think on this board with the pulled in tail I like that loose drive of the twins. In particular a set of keels. Thanks for the reply!
Hey man, great reviews! Would love to here ya thoughts on the keels vs the en’s without trailer fin. I’m thinking the move pivoty en set up would be better suited to that board!
I did try the EN's but it wasn't as god as the Keel. to be honest, the Machado keels are a tad too big/tight on the 6'0. I think that fin would go great on the bigger Sundays. Having said that, I think the EN might work really well with smaller Sundays, 5'6 for sure and maybe the 5'9. Ideally, what would work best would be the Machado Keel if you could shrink it a tad, from 26L to 23L. I know that Naked Viking Surf has a similar fin that comes in 3 sizes. it's called the Marlin. On my 6'0, I think the Medium Marlins would be perfect.
@@ThomyeSurfs yeah NVS do! Thanks for your reply, I’m thinking about getting the 6’8 and I have Noel Salas’s performance keels which are smaller than Rob’s which based on what your saying I’m excited to try!!! Thanks again and keep the good reviews coming🤙🏻 (I’ll make sure I let em know that I’m buying coz of your review)
@@mattlatto5726 Nice, thanks. I think the Noel's HP keel might work well. it's definitely the right template. for the 6'8, it could stand to use a tad more area but I have not tested it so I don't know for sure. On a separate note, I am also getting the 6'8 Sunday. My brother and I plan to split it. I will review it but he will likely surf it more. :) the 6'0 Sunday has been the most fun to review so far. Most expensive too though since I had to buy a bunch of fins for it. haha And, I won't be selling it so I can't recoop any cost. :(
I have yet to surf it as a thruster but as is, with all the fin options and the board setup, I would pick the Sunday. Here is why: Glazer 66 20.125 2.625 32.3 69 21 2.75 37 72 22 2.875 42.2 Sunday 66 19.75 2.5 31.22 69 20 2.625 34.66 72 20.25 2.75 38.32 1) fin options are a tad better. Single, Twin, 1+2, 2+1 w/ special trailer, thruster (using True Ames offset fin) 2) the length to volume ratio is more conducive to performance and width as well. 3) it seems the glazer is a locked in size, meaning, I ride the 5'3 and someone that is heavier and taller would ride something bigger. On the Sunday, I can ride everything in the range. Even a 6'8 as a funboard/mid length. 4) I like helium, tougher and lighter 5) having surfed them both, 5'3 Glazer @ 28.7L vs 6'0 Sunday @ 38.3L, I have more fun on the Sunday. There may be times I would want a smaller board but then if money wasn't an object and the 5'6 Sunday was an option, I would likely pick that over the Glazer. DISCLAIMER: not a real apples to apples comparison. But I know that we have to make a decision sometimes.
@@ThomyeSurfs as some one that’s the same age and similar skill level I was wanting more of the ‘go to’ comparison opposed to the “apples to apples” comparison so thanks for that.
Hi there, do you know if there is a way to apply regular Futeres stabilizer fin in the Futeres longboard fin box (similar to the FCS2 adaptor shown in this vlog)?
I personally don't know of anything for the futures stabilizer. but having said that, I don't think an adapted piece is best, rather look at this link. Another sub suggested it. futuresfins.com/products/lost-3-625 They have them in stock at realwatersports.com. this to me seems like a way better solution. The stabilizer is offset which would actually put it in a better spot than one that is adapted.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thank you Thomye for the fast and clear answer; this is indeed the best way do it. Having said that, this applies to specific stabilizer but if I want to use regular Futures center fin as thruster/3 fin configuration this would mot be applicable.
@@udiack1803 correct. unfortunately no adapters for Futures fins to Longboard box. Also, even if there was, the rear fin would be too far up. When I test my Sunday as a thruster, I plan to use this fin: www.trueames.com/collections/all/products/small-box-with-1-5-overhang I really do think you need that overhang/offset. It sucks that they are so competitive that they really go out of their way to make sure their fins don't work in other boxes.
@@ThomyeSurfs , it is indeed a real bummer and unclear why Futures are not providing a proper solution to apply their regular fins in the Futures long board box.
I tried it for first time at 1st point and 3rd Malibu, and did not go well. Hard to catch waves and didn't paddle that great for so much volume. I was suprised, and the skipper said the same thing. I am 5'9 and 165. I have the CI PM at 5'10, and 4liters less and works much better for a fun board. Gonna sell it already and move on, bummed! I am thinking either, CI mid or seaside and beyond, I have seaside at 5'4 and one of the favorites. So, what you think of S. and Beyond vs. Sunday, since not like, I am looking for a fun board, prob get the 6'8 for soft small days and 1st pt?
Personally, I think the S&B is better for bigger waves. My brother had problems catching waves on his. I think a really good small option is the MOE. The Sunday has the weird fins, the S&B has an odd outline. Tight on small waves. I am not much for cruising, rather I like the sweet potato 2 for tiny stuff. I think ultimately it is a personal preference thing.
@@ThomyeSurfs Ya, I agree about the funky outline on the S&B and long, I will check out Moe, buy may just size up my Seaside from 5'4 to 5'7/5"8 ish, since love that board and with that wide nose catches everything and tail is foiled out pretty good. This is the problem, so much $, to figure out!
@@rwatty7682 that's not a bad idea. i normally ride a 5'2, but like a 5'3 cuz my break is small and weak. less work for me and more waves. I have riden my brothers 5'4 which works great, my buddies 5'7 and another buddies 5'10. I loose performance as i move up the scale but when the waves get bigger, i'm still able to turn the bigger seasides. so I know they work. regarding $$$, If you could find it used maybe save some money. but I have come to the realization that compared to all my PU boards and even my E2 Surftech, you cannot beat the durability of the helium construction. Making it probably the most value for the buck. last long and no pressures, less dings, and better resale.
thanks for the kind words. forget the fin adapter and try to get one of these. it is a little more expensive but worth it. The fin adapter has some flaws you can't fix so this is a much better choise. www.realwatersports.com/products/futures-lost-single-fin-3-625-smoke/?gclid=CjwKCAjwhaaKBhBcEiwA8acsHH-WWeIBxoVxIAuQ93Kn8ZQv8I9i_LH_5iEM1woUTtP6dxAr6ENq1xoC9I0QAvD_BwE
Awesome review!!! What fins you recommend on 2 + 1 from FCS ?? I rode my 5’6” Sunday on the Machado keel fin and was kind tight , fun board but feeling tight sometimes
I was just looking at the FCS lineup and they don't have anything that I think aligns with the Machado Keel but with less area. The RM's are 26.54" in area. you probably want something around 22" to 24". There are twins in their lineup at are in that range but then the shape of them changes. most are more pivoty fins. A really good option might be the NVS (naked viking surf). The Marlin fins are basically the same concept as the RM's but it comes in 3 sizes (S,M,L) which allows you to size it proper to the board you are riding. Maybe a small for the 5'6 and 5'9. Medium for the 6' and 6'4. And Large for anything bigger. I am using the Naked Viking Machado GoFish model which they don't sell anymore. But I have a Marlin on the way because I felt the same way, a little tight. The only drawback is the 2 tab which in my opinion isn't really a drawback. People make silly comments about the gaps when used with the fcs2 system but if you think about it, most boards you surf have empty fin boxes anyways. Most of my boards have 5 fin boxes (fcs or futures) but I only use 2, 3, or 4 of them. I have never filled the empty ones. Just a thought. Reach out to them and ask what they think. The cool thing is, they are super cool guys. I have talked to them a bunch even about making a custom. I just recently asked if they could make a trailer for the longboard box that is about 1.5" off set so it can be further back in the longboard box like a stabilizer should be. they are totally willing to work with you. Time is the only issue for customs. I might actually buy the Ono's instead of the Marlins for the Small option because someone might be lending me his 5'6 Sunday for another review. Oh, the only real drawback of using a 2 tab system in an fcs2 box is that you lose the convenience of easy removal and install. But to be honest, once I find a set of fins, I don't normally swap them anyways. I have been on my Sunday but only for reviews. Once done, I will likely settle on a set. I'm leaning towards the 2 +1 at this point. but I have yet to try it with a set of Medium Marlins.
can you access this link: photos.app.goo.gl/CruRV4XL3AV5CFQy6 this is the spec sheet for all the Keel fins that FCS makes. There is only one keel fin around the 22.5" mark, that is the Retro Keel but that fins is long and raked back. Not the correct template in my opinion. The side fins fort he Machado quad would be awesome if they were just a tad bigger. :(
@@ThomyeSurfs yeah I feel the same way , so would be better with a Marlins keel ( Small ) or Ono twin. ?? I used to my seaside and is very loose compare with the Sunday , now i wonder if I should have the Glazer ... the good thing about the Sunday is that you can play with the fins , wonder if 2 + 1 would feel better than riding twin or keel fins ?? .... can’t wait for your review on 5’6 “ Sunday !!! It’s a fun board , I just need to get the right fins !! You better hurry up with the review !! 😂😂😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@martinvelezmoro7250 yeah, the ono or small marlins i think is ideal. the seaside side fins are like 20" in area. good size fins but a tad small unless you run it with a stabilizer. Get his thing. I am hoping NVS starts making this in the apex material www.realwatersports.com/products/futures-lost-single-fin-3-625-smoke the offset is really important. if you use an adapter, it can only go as far back as the longboard fin box. this fin will go back up to 1.25" further.
Hey Thomye great progressive reviews! I’ve been waiting for my beyond for a while now ..(comes in nov) so I decided to grab a 6’8 Sunday while I wait lol. What fin setup did you end up really liking for the Sunday? I primary surf bolsa as well 😁
Hi Tina, Which fin system did you end up getting, futures or FCS? Coincidently, I just got my 6'8 as well. On my 6'0, I really like it with either twin Keel fins or upright twins and a stabilizer. However, that is for maneuvering. If you want it toned down, a 1 +2 works really well. I think a 7" center fin with side bites (maybe even a 6'5" center) On my 6'8 Sunday, since mine is FCS, I am going with the Marline Large fins from Naked Viking Surf. However, they might feel tight if you surf forward on the board. I surf off the tail quite a bit but since I have not tried it, not 100% sure yet. Hopefully, I'll get it out this weekend. For now, if you are already coming off a longer board and have a longboard fin, try that with side bites. Once I test mine, I'll know for sure. Just as an FYI though, my favorite set up so far on the 6'0 is the upright twin with this stabilizer: futuresfins.com/products/lost-3-625 Again, that is for tighter turns.
@@tinanguyen956 since you surf Bolsa, if you see me, say hi. I just got the 6'8 too so if I have any fins you want to try out, let me know. :) I'm usually just north of tower 21 in front of Seasalt cafe. Although it is getting super crowded. might migrate south soon, summer is coming. :)
Sounds good Thomye!! My friends and I usually surf tower 27 in front of sealegs :) I’ll keep an eye out for you next time. Went out this morning, waves were okay but always nice getting in the water before work.
@@tinanguyen956 my brother and I just got out of the water. The 6'8 went really good. Caught 4 waves and let my brother ride it. But like an idiot, I forget my SD card. 😥
I have not tried the machado quads on the TB. I think it would work great but can't know for sure until I try. My only hesitation is that the tail is so wide and you would want bigger fins towards the rear. The Machado quad rear fins are small. I'll try it and let you know at some point. As for 2+1 on the TB. I would say no, although i have not tried it on the TB, i have tried it on my Baked. Because of the wide tail, you want to be further back on the board. Being behind the front fins, the tiny trailer just made my BP swivel without producing drive. Having said that, i loved my BP as a thruster but I love the TB as a quad. The size of my tb is 5'3 vs 5'1. The TB is bigger and heavier cuz it is timbertech so the quad loosens it up a bit without sacrificing drive.
one more thing. I have surfed my brothers baked potato which is taller as a quad and truster and it goes better as a quad. so my 5'1 baked is better as a thruster but my brothers 5'5 baked is better as a quad. thinking about it, i guess the 5'5 floats so well, that i can't really drive and push the board much so I become a passenger to the boards capabilities. which is best as a quad. While my 5'1 baked goes better as a thruster because I can tic tak it around and the thruster give me more drive. hope that makes sense.
Ciao Andrea. No, not better, but different. Depends on the surfer and what that surfer wants to feel. Twin keel is fast and feels like the board has a motor. but then becomes a tad harder to turn tight. so in bigger open waves, I like the keels. In medium waves with tighter pockets, a non keel twin (like the NVS Orcas) with a stabilizer seems better, for control and maneuverability.
yes, i have the lost offset trailer fin as well as the Naked Viking version. The NVS version is a tad smaller so I think it works better but in either case, it does stabilize the board especially when the water foamy or broken. Typically if running the 2 minus the 1, the board is a tad slippery and doesn't have a lot of bite at lower speeds. So when pushing off the tail, it doesn't drive as well. Adding that fin give it a more truster feel or a twin feel with more drive. At higher speeds the offset gives it a tad more hold than the stabilizer that I used in the video. I'm not sure I will make an entirely different video of it. I have 2 boards I have to get done and finding no time to post process. :( Hope this helps and hopefully I can get around to it.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks for the response! I’m on a 6’6” Plunderer, it’s 46 liters. I surf only beach breaks. I think I’m beginning to realize I’m gonna have more fun on bigger boards… just turned 40, time to hang up the potatoe chip thrusters. Just don’t want to go too big, I know it’s only a 3” difference between the two sizes, but want to be confident on my purchase at that price! I know I should be riding more liters, but do I go up 7 liters or 10? Not sure how much it will affect my surfing.
@@tristanholsgrove7619 Purely mathematically speaking, I'm on the 6'0 which is 38L. You at 205 lbs if you wanted to surf the board in my ratio, would be 53L which is the 7'0. Having said that, I am riding my Sunday like a mid-length even though 6'0 isn't mid-length. I bought it to cruise. I scaled it that way. Something that I could barely duck dive. It was a total surprise to me how well it surfed as a twin and 2 +1. I did not like it as a single or a 1 +2 but to be fair, that is not my style of surfing. At any rate, 7' is probably a good bump up for you. If I wanted as much performance, I would get the 5'6 Sunday which mathematically would be 42L for you. I think that is the 6'4. But that is aiming for performance. The board in my opinion in the longer lengths, is more of a fun board. Anyways, hope that didn't confuse you. In a nutshell, 7' is good.
@@tristanholsgrove7619 Oh, BTW. I did buy the 6'8 which is big for me, too big. but, I don't have any illusions of grandeur on it. When I right that board, I cruise and have as much fun as possible. I don't look for an ounce of performance. In this case, the 7'3 would be better. Again, if you are looking to cruise without going to a full on longboard.
Grazie mille per il tuo video!!!❤❤ e i tuoi test!! Io abito in italia .. e volevo prendere un sunday 7'.... Secondo te , quindi é meglio twin, 1 +2 stabilizzatori , o twin + stabilizzatore??? Grazie mille in anticipo!
Prego. The newer Sundays only come in twin without the center. If your Sunday has a center box, use this fin: futuresfins.com/products/lost-3-625 Where in Italy do you surf? My very good friends family live up near Rimini. No surf there but beautiful place. I want to visit again. :)
@@andreavalpiani9078 Wow, that is really near Rimini. I live in California in the US (very close to Disneyland). My friend is from Santarcangelo di Romagna. I visited 18 years to see my friend get married there. Beautify countryside. I hope to visit again someday.
thanks, i'll check it out. so far, the best one I have seen is this one: futuresfins.com/products/lost-3-625 I like the offset which makes the most sense.
Thomye Surfs keep up the great content and surfing. Bolsa Chica had a few fun ones this morning. I will check out that trailer. I have always wanted to try a twin fin set up.😎
@@GlenGGonsalves so far so good. I spoke with a firewire rep who is willing to let me ride his 5'6 for another review. That should be interesting. I think that one will be more performance oriented.
Yeah. I have heard that before but I think it "should be" a 2 +1 vs a 1 +2. Makes more sense to me. Primary us a support fin(s). I think we should make an attempt to change the definition.
@@garretdouglas4056 in the end, i guess none of that matters. just how the board and fins surf. I am going to try these out next: futuresfins.com/products/lost-3-625
@@garretdouglas4056 I need to get a set of the T1s. You are the third person to mention them. I like the ENs but they're a tad big on most boards I surf. They're probably just right for the Sunday 6-0 though.
Yeah, I saw that they removed the US Box but thought they kept the other fins in the same place. Now I'm curious what the ride feel is like. Might have to hunt one down to see what it feels like.
@@ThomyeSurfs haiwaiisouthshore said they changed the fin position in one of their UA-cam shorts. ua-cam.com/users/shortspDjjbM7Ny1Q?feature=share I actually have a brand new 7’4 seaside and beyond I never surfed yet. It’s been on the rack since December. Thinking about maybe trading it to try the Sunday again 😂
Thomye, you should be the standard reviewer of all surfboards on UA-cam. Honest, straightforward, no BS. Champion!
thanks. appreciate it. I do need to figure out a format that is at least a little more interesting. haha I put myself to sleep sometimes. I should have called me channel the Surfers' Melatonin 😁
thanks so much for this, you can learn so much from these videos. I hope these companies start to realize how much an impact this can have for selling boards!
I picked up the Sunday 6’4 a few weeks ago. Have only used it with the Keels. Such a fun board! I’m 5’9 and 175 .. the 6’4 is my quiver mid length
Awesome review mate. Love the attention to detail. Keep them coming 👍🔥
Looked the best of your fin set up so far. Really useful video.
Great to see you tried the setup Thomye, looks like you got on with it well - certainly made the best of the waves! Great surfing 👍🤙
I run the NVS stabiliser too, it's a great fin.
looking at the fin box setups on the Sunday, they are much more clustered than on my 6'6 Egg. This is likely to benefit the board being surfed as a real twin fin.
That setup backhand was certainly a game changer on a similarish board for me.
Great content as ever! Hope you are well 👍👍
Great review
Wow that board really works good with that fin set up, what a great board , good surfing
The “Small Box” fin by True Ames is another option for a trailer fin that fits a longboard fin box 🤙🏽
I grind a small notch in the front lug that the angled grub screw can bite on to hold the front of the fin down. This is so the fin can't lever itself out if you hit something.
A lot of speed & quicker, tighter maneuverability, even on the smaller size waves! I’m always messing with fin size, set up & configuration’s. It pushes my surfing by experimentation. Also can turn a lame board into a magic board, if you get the proper fin set up in it. NVS fin’s are great! I’ve grabbed some Dan Mann & Noel Salas model’s & I’ve been stoked on the quality & performance with all of them. I gotta get me a few of those stabilizer fin’s now! Can’t wait to see how the single fin review comes out.
Agreed on NVS fins. Great fins but even better company. the quality of the Apex series are amazing and I love the stiffness of them. I think because they are so stiff, they can make them thinner which then allows them to flex a bit. But it's a really quick twangy flex. I inquired about the C Drive fins to try out on the Sunday. Can't wait to try them out. for sure get the stabilizer from NVS. I have 3, one single tab, two tab, and I also run the 4.0's as a bigger stabilizer with my smaller side twin fins.
watching you in the smaller surf actually is helpful for me being a great lakes surfer cause thats pretty close to what we get for conditions! gonna try out the twin+trailer set up, thanks for the info
surfing the great lakes is a bucket list for me. seems odd since there are much better places to to go but the idea of it is pretty awesome. I actually saw a video when I was a kid, it was a hoax but it said it was one of the lakes and since then, it has been on my list. :)
@@ThomyeSurfs haha nice well if ya ever decide to make the trip lmk. followed u on instagram if you wanna see some actual footage, but what u guys consider a bad day i would count as good here :)
Waw fun waves!! From Sardinia surf channel ITALY 🤙🤙.. the DREAM IS REAL 🤘🤘
ah yes, i can relate to the crappy knees. Great review series.
and I feel like it only gets worse from here. :(
Part of that club, too.
Really looking forward to the single only video! On my way to buy some trailer find to try out. Curious how you would compare against boards like sharpeye ht you reviewed or seaside and beyond?
I'll have to mention it but the way I feel about it now is this. Based on volume alone, 38 vs 40, the Sunday is 8" shorter but almost floats just as well. not having that swing weight, I can actually surf the Sunday more like a normal board. So I would give that to the Sunday hands down.
Comparing length, say something like the Sunday 6'8 to the Beyond 6'8, that might go to the Beyond because of the 8L you save. It might surf better in terms of performance. Having said that, the Sunday at 6'8 is more like a mid length especially with that fin box. We will find out soon enough. I have a 6'8 coming in. :)
The opening shot was money ....... May use it as your go-to introduction.
Imagine the 5'6 with the T1 only without the trailer ....... Golden!
For a larger surface area go with the Futures EN's. Looking at your fin set up IMHO too much fun with the trailer.
yeah, the 5'6 is sounding good about now. So is the 6'8 though. LOL
@@ThomyeSurfs best looking board on you to me
Dawn the line so fast!
Great vid! I had a question about the twin stabilizer from Lost/Futures that you mentioned. It looks as if it is set further back than the one you used in the video. Could you let us know if that worked better as a 2+1? Strongly looking to purchase one but I’d rather not be limited to a dedicated twin on my backside. Thanks!
The offset makes the board a fraction more tight. Holds during turns a tad better and not as much slipage. Without the offset, the fins are a tad clustered. Still works to stabilize but not as well.
Great review! Here you mention that the trailer fin does not go back far enough.... how did that effect the performance compared to a more common stabilizer fin placement?
tad looser. where it was, at the very back, it just felt like a very clustered thruster. better hold than a straight twin for sure but since you go with non keels in a 2+1 setup, it loses a bit of drive. you pivot point bets moved up a few inches too.
using the lost trailer in the US box setup pushes the fin back about 1 to 1.5 inches. that felt better for certain things but also made the turns a tad bigger.
I think I'm going to get S&B in 6'8 and roll the dice even though fairly long,(wish he would make in 6'6 or even 6'4) it seems to work in decent waves on your video that are just soft rollers, which is a wave I will be riding in baja for a week. I think for the waves I will surf at 1st pt it should be better than the Sunday hopefully . I let you know how it goes-thanks bro!
I know what you mean, 6'5 to 6'6 would have been perfect for me. Funny thing, my normal shortboard back in the 90's when I weighed 170lbs was 6'4. LOL. dang my 6'8 S&B seems giant but it is only 4" longer than what I considered my short board 25 years ago. :(
In Europe the single fin box on the fcs2 and futures have been put in different places. Ones further forward. Apparently firewire says it OK..?
Wonder why that is? I nod to compare it to some other boards
What is your idea on the newish Britt Merick Twins for the Sunday? Do you think they could be a good compromise between a keel and the smaller, apparently too upright twins in the FCS range? Thanks for your work for us less accomplished surfers! 💪
normally I would say no to any normal modern twin on the Sunday, at least not without a stabilizer, especially if you are a heavy front footed surfer like myself. Having said that, the new Britt twin appears to be a semi keel. It's sort of slimmed down from a traditional keel. They almost look like Robs quad keel front fins (the seaside fins). Because there is a small bit of fin hanging over the base, I think your correct about the "good" compromise. At times, my Machado keels on the Sunday are a bit much and the NVS surf prescription Tall Boys are not enough due to the very narrow tips; i need a stabilizer with that fin. So the Britt Twin looks good. They have the wide base and keel hangover and they also have a slightly wider tip. I think they would go great in the Sunday.
It looks like you performed best on this board over the others you have reviewed to me
now you are making me rewatch my videos. LOL I just recently hopped on this board on a soft high tide day but while it was out, it got big. I managed to droop in on some 3' to 4' overhead waves. board is much harder to surf under those conditions. haha. but it was so easy to get into waves. But for sure, this particular board is staying in my quiver. :)
@@ThomyeSurfs many years ago , in the 90’s bought a 7’6” Egg for smaller conditions. Ended up surfing it all the time because you could dominate any line up and still pull off the same maneuvers like you do on a short board. Looking to buy another one , hence why I’m watching your vids. Thanks
Hi Thomye. I have a 6'8" S&B in Timbertek that I will be selling and thinking of replacing with a Sunday. I am shorter (5'5" @ 160lbs) and find the S&B too long, and the Timbertek too heavy. I have a 5'4" Sweet Potato, which I love love love. Would you recommend the Sunday in 6'0" or 6'4" for my size? I am leaning towards the 6'0" but worried it might be too close to my Sweet Potato. Thank you.
6' is plenty enough for you weight. I think it's 38. If you go with the 6'4, it might start to feel too much like the S&B form a bulk perspective. the 5'4 sweet potato is roughly 35 so that 6' sunday would be a slightly better groveler but also since it is narrow and has a round pin tail, it will handle bigger waves better.
remember a couple of things. in terms of paddle, the sunday will be slightly better. in terms of planing bascially getting to float speed, the sweet potato is better cuz of width so the two offset each other each other and will catch waves similarly. but, the will surf night and day different. The sweet potato will stop at about 3ft waves. maybe 4 if it is a slow wave. The sunday will go better in punchier conditions and bigger. not sure if you saw my first review but some of those waves were decent size. no way i could have done that good a turn on a 5'2 sweet potato and definitely not on a 5'4. but i'm also only 140lbs.
Besides, the 6'10 TT S&B is like 47L, the sunday 6'4 is 45 but helium so they are almost the same in terms of buoyancy. since you seem to love your 5'4 SweetP, i would say 6'0 Sunday.
hi thomas!! in this video, what size Sunday surfboard were you using? many thanks in advance!
this is the 6'0 which is 20.25" x 2.75" @38.3L. 38L
i think that box would be further forward than your standard 2 plus one set up. did you measure how far up the back fin was? I like my rear fin at 3 1/4 back but with a smaller stabilizer like that, i guess they are a bit further forward as less length behind the rear tab. Also, do you do all surf footage with the solo shot camera? Thanks
yes, soloshot 3.
have you seen this thing: futuresfins.com/products/lost-3-625
I just tried it this weekend and it lit up the board.
@@ThomyeSurfs yes thats what you need. thanks looks good.
Great videos with a lot of surfing for us to check out before the purchase Thomye! I just bought the 6'0 Sunday for soft days. I have Tyler warren 2+1(blue/red /White fins) and CI Keel twins.
Do I need a different set of twins and I will buy the Lost(all in one) for twin trailer?
And now that you had awhile- what was best fins for 2+1?
Thanks!
2+1 for sure was the most all around best fin. stable, predictable, etc. Basically, super familiar. Twin keels were fun and fast. I pan to try again as a single. from what people have told me, I had the fin up too far forward. as an FYI, i leave it as a 2+1 so if I grab it, that is usually how i'm surfing it. I'll only switch it up if I think I want to feel something different. Cheers bro
@@ThomyeSurfs Which twin fins do you use with that lost trailer that work best? thanks!
Late to the Sunday party. More like a Monday. Boom boom crash! Anyway… fin question… regarding the trailer on the bigger models, still shoving that trailer all the way back? Same cluster? Great reviews for years.
on the bigger boards, I use a different trailer now. www.surfnvs.com/collections/apex-longboard-1/products/stabilizer-apex-1
if you notice, the mount point can go all the way back in the longboard box but the fin extends past it. The stabilizer that I used in the video worked too but was a tad looser since it sat up 1" up. It's a fun option to have. I do mostly surf it as a twin but only because I tend to surfing it in softer conditions. when it gets good, I opt for my shorter more performance boards. I just surfed my 6' as a thruster with the same type of fin with the offset. Let me know what you think, it's only a short video though: ua-cam.com/users/shortsPHgPUqsDpkw
Cheers.
@@ThomyeSurfs Gotcha. I used the NVS trailer that more or less resembled the Slater Twin “shark fin” trailer and didn’t love it. I think on this board with the pulled in tail I like that loose drive of the twins. In particular a set of keels. Thanks for the reply!
Hey man, great reviews!
Would love to here ya thoughts on the keels vs the en’s without trailer fin.
I’m thinking the move pivoty en set up would be better suited to that board!
I did try the EN's but it wasn't as god as the Keel. to be honest, the Machado keels are a tad too big/tight on the 6'0. I think that fin would go great on the bigger Sundays. Having said that, I think the EN might work really well with smaller Sundays, 5'6 for sure and maybe the 5'9. Ideally, what would work best would be the Machado Keel if you could shrink it a tad, from 26L to 23L.
I know that Naked Viking Surf has a similar fin that comes in 3 sizes. it's called the Marlin. On my 6'0, I think the Medium Marlins would be perfect.
@@ThomyeSurfs yeah NVS do!
Thanks for your reply, I’m thinking about getting the 6’8 and I have Noel Salas’s performance keels which are smaller than Rob’s which based on what your saying I’m excited to try!!!
Thanks again and keep the good reviews coming🤙🏻
(I’ll make sure I let em know that I’m buying coz of your review)
@@mattlatto5726 Nice, thanks. I think the Noel's HP keel might work well. it's definitely the right template. for the 6'8, it could stand to use a tad more area but I have not tested it so I don't know for sure.
On a separate note, I am also getting the 6'8 Sunday. My brother and I plan to split it. I will review it but he will likely surf it more. :)
the 6'0 Sunday has been the most fun to review so far. Most expensive too though since I had to buy a bunch of fins for it. haha And, I won't be selling it so I can't recoop any cost. :(
Once again good review. So 3rd review in on the Sunday what would be your choice the Sunday or the Glazer?
I have yet to surf it as a thruster but as is, with all the fin options and the board setup, I would pick the Sunday. Here is why:
Glazer 66 20.125 2.625 32.3
69 21 2.75 37
72 22 2.875 42.2
Sunday 66 19.75 2.5 31.22
69 20 2.625 34.66
72 20.25 2.75 38.32
1) fin options are a tad better. Single, Twin, 1+2, 2+1 w/ special trailer, thruster (using True Ames offset fin)
2) the length to volume ratio is more conducive to performance and width as well.
3) it seems the glazer is a locked in size, meaning, I ride the 5'3 and someone that is heavier and taller would ride something bigger. On the Sunday, I can ride everything in the range. Even a 6'8 as a funboard/mid length.
4) I like helium, tougher and lighter
5) having surfed them both, 5'3 Glazer @ 28.7L vs 6'0 Sunday @ 38.3L, I have more fun on the Sunday. There may be times I would want a smaller board but then if money wasn't an object and the 5'6 Sunday was an option, I would likely pick that over the Glazer. DISCLAIMER: not a real apples to apples comparison. But I know that we have to make a decision sometimes.
@@ThomyeSurfs as some one that’s the same age and similar skill level I was wanting more of the ‘go to’ comparison opposed to the “apples to apples” comparison so thanks for that.
Hi there, do you know if there is a way to apply regular Futeres stabilizer fin in the Futeres longboard fin box (similar to the FCS2 adaptor shown in this vlog)?
I personally don't know of anything for the futures stabilizer. but having said that, I don't think an adapted piece is best, rather look at this link. Another sub suggested it.
futuresfins.com/products/lost-3-625
They have them in stock at realwatersports.com. this to me seems like a way better solution. The stabilizer is offset which would actually put it in a better spot than one that is adapted.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thank you Thomye for the fast and clear answer; this is indeed the best way do it. Having said that, this applies to specific stabilizer but if I want to use regular Futures center fin as thruster/3 fin configuration this would mot be applicable.
@@udiack1803 correct. unfortunately no adapters for Futures fins to Longboard box. Also, even if there was, the rear fin would be too far up.
When I test my Sunday as a thruster, I plan to use this fin: www.trueames.com/collections/all/products/small-box-with-1-5-overhang
I really do think you need that overhang/offset. It sucks that they are so competitive that they really go out of their way to make sure their fins don't work in other boxes.
@@ThomyeSurfs , it is indeed a real bummer and unclear why Futures are not providing a proper solution to apply their regular fins in the Futures long board box.
I tried it for first time at 1st point and 3rd Malibu, and did not go well. Hard to catch waves and didn't paddle that great for so much volume.
I was suprised, and the skipper said the same thing. I am 5'9 and 165. I have the CI PM at 5'10, and 4liters less and works much better for a fun board. Gonna sell it already and move on, bummed! I am thinking either, CI mid or seaside and beyond, I have seaside at 5'4 and one of the favorites.
So, what you think of S. and Beyond vs. Sunday, since not like, I am looking for a fun board, prob get the 6'8 for soft small days and 1st pt?
Personally, I think the S&B is better for bigger waves. My brother had problems catching waves on his. I think a really good small option is the MOE. The Sunday has the weird fins, the S&B has an odd outline. Tight on small waves. I am not much for cruising, rather I like the sweet potato 2 for tiny stuff. I think ultimately it is a personal preference thing.
@@ThomyeSurfs Ya, I agree about the funky outline on the S&B and long, I will check out Moe, buy may just size up my Seaside from 5'4 to 5'7/5"8 ish, since love that board and with that wide nose catches everything and tail is foiled out pretty good. This is the problem, so much $, to figure out!
@@rwatty7682 that's not a bad idea. i normally ride a 5'2, but like a 5'3 cuz my break is small and weak. less work for me and more waves. I have riden my brothers 5'4 which works great, my buddies 5'7 and another buddies 5'10. I loose performance as i move up the scale but when the waves get bigger, i'm still able to turn the bigger seasides. so I know they work. regarding $$$, If you could find it used maybe save some money. but I have come to the realization that compared to all my PU boards and even my E2 Surftech, you cannot beat the durability of the helium construction. Making it probably the most value for the buck. last long and no pressures, less dings, and better resale.
Hi
i realy liked your videos thanks for the information and tips
i want to purchase the samll fin box adapter do you have the contact for it ??
thanks for the kind words. forget the fin adapter and try to get one of these. it is a little more expensive but worth it. The fin adapter has some flaws you can't fix so this is a much better choise.
www.realwatersports.com/products/futures-lost-single-fin-3-625-smoke/?gclid=CjwKCAjwhaaKBhBcEiwA8acsHH-WWeIBxoVxIAuQ93Kn8ZQv8I9i_LH_5iEM1woUTtP6dxAr6ENq1xoC9I0QAvD_BwE
Awesome review!!! What fins you recommend on 2 + 1 from FCS ?? I rode my 5’6” Sunday on the Machado keel fin and was kind tight , fun board but feeling tight sometimes
I was just looking at the FCS lineup and they don't have anything that I think aligns with the Machado Keel but with less area.
The RM's are 26.54" in area. you probably want something around 22" to 24". There are twins in their lineup at are in that range but then the shape of them changes. most are more pivoty fins.
A really good option might be the NVS (naked viking surf). The Marlin fins are basically the same concept as the RM's but it comes in 3 sizes (S,M,L) which allows you to size it proper to the board you are riding. Maybe a small for the 5'6 and 5'9. Medium for the 6' and 6'4. And Large for anything bigger. I am using the Naked Viking Machado GoFish model which they don't sell anymore. But I have a Marlin on the way because I felt the same way, a little tight.
The only drawback is the 2 tab which in my opinion isn't really a drawback. People make silly comments about the gaps when used with the fcs2 system but if you think about it, most boards you surf have empty fin boxes anyways. Most of my boards have 5 fin boxes (fcs or futures) but I only use 2, 3, or 4 of them. I have never filled the empty ones.
Just a thought. Reach out to them and ask what they think. The cool thing is, they are super cool guys. I have talked to them a bunch even about making a custom. I just recently asked if they could make a trailer for the longboard box that is about 1.5" off set so it can be further back in the longboard box like a stabilizer should be. they are totally willing to work with you. Time is the only issue for customs. I might actually buy the Ono's instead of the Marlins for the Small option because someone might be lending me his 5'6 Sunday for another review.
Oh, the only real drawback of using a 2 tab system in an fcs2 box is that you lose the convenience of easy removal and install. But to be honest, once I find a set of fins, I don't normally swap them anyways. I have been on my Sunday but only for reviews. Once done, I will likely settle on a set. I'm leaning towards the 2 +1 at this point. but I have yet to try it with a set of Medium Marlins.
can you access this link: photos.app.goo.gl/CruRV4XL3AV5CFQy6
this is the spec sheet for all the Keel fins that FCS makes. There is only one keel fin around the 22.5" mark, that is the Retro Keel but that fins is long and raked back. Not the correct template in my opinion. The side fins fort he Machado quad would be awesome if they were just a tad bigger. :(
@@ThomyeSurfs yeah I feel the same way , so would be better with a Marlins keel ( Small ) or Ono twin. ?? I used to my seaside and is very loose compare with the Sunday , now i wonder if I should have the Glazer ... the good thing about the Sunday is that you can play with the fins , wonder if 2 + 1 would feel better than riding twin or keel fins ?? .... can’t wait for your review on 5’6 “ Sunday !!! It’s a fun board , I just need to get the right fins !! You better hurry up with the review !! 😂😂😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@martinvelezmoro7250 yeah, the ono or small marlins i think is ideal. the seaside side fins are like 20" in area. good size fins but a tad small unless you run it with a stabilizer. Get his thing. I am hoping NVS starts making this in the apex material
www.realwatersports.com/products/futures-lost-single-fin-3-625-smoke
the offset is really important. if you use an adapter, it can only go as far back as the longboard fin box. this fin will go back up to 1.25" further.
@@ThomyeSurfs great !! I just order the ono fins and probably I will get the stabilizer from lost , hope will work great 👍🏻
Hey Thomye great progressive reviews! I’ve been waiting for my beyond for a while now ..(comes in nov) so I decided to grab a 6’8 Sunday while I wait lol. What fin setup did you end up really liking for the Sunday? I primary surf bolsa as well 😁
Hi Tina,
Which fin system did you end up getting, futures or FCS? Coincidently, I just got my 6'8 as well.
On my 6'0, I really like it with either twin Keel fins or upright twins and a stabilizer. However, that is for maneuvering. If you want it toned down, a 1 +2 works really well. I think a 7" center fin with side bites (maybe even a 6'5" center)
On my 6'8 Sunday, since mine is FCS, I am going with the Marline Large fins from Naked Viking Surf. However, they might feel tight if you surf forward on the board. I surf off the tail quite a bit but since I have not tried it, not 100% sure yet. Hopefully, I'll get it out this weekend. For now, if you are already coming off a longer board and have a longboard fin, try that with side bites.
Once I test mine, I'll know for sure.
Just as an FYI though, my favorite set up so far on the 6'0 is the upright twin with this stabilizer: futuresfins.com/products/lost-3-625
Again, that is for tighter turns.
Thanks Thomye! I just ordered that fin you mentioned in the link :)
@@tinanguyen956 since you surf Bolsa, if you see me, say hi. I just got the 6'8 too so if I have any fins you want to try out, let me know. :) I'm usually just north of tower 21 in front of Seasalt cafe. Although it is getting super crowded. might migrate south soon, summer is coming. :)
Sounds good Thomye!! My friends and I usually surf tower 27 in front of sealegs :) I’ll keep an eye out for you next time. Went out this morning, waves were okay but always nice getting in the water before work.
@@tinanguyen956 my brother and I just got out of the water. The 6'8 went really good. Caught 4 waves and let my brother ride it. But like an idiot, I forget my SD card. 😥
Twin 2+1 on your twice baked? Have you tried your rob machado quads on the twice baked?? Thanks for all you do Brotha! -Tommy
I have not tried the machado quads on the TB. I think it would work great but can't know for sure until I try. My only hesitation is that the tail is so wide and you would want bigger fins towards the rear. The Machado quad rear fins are small. I'll try it and let you know at some point.
As for 2+1 on the TB. I would say no, although i have not tried it on the TB, i have tried it on my Baked. Because of the wide tail, you want to be further back on the board. Being behind the front fins, the tiny trailer just made my BP swivel without producing drive.
Having said that, i loved my BP as a thruster but I love the TB as a quad. The size of my tb is 5'3 vs 5'1. The TB is bigger and heavier cuz it is timbertech so the quad loosens it up a bit without sacrificing drive.
one more thing. I have surfed my brothers baked potato which is taller as a quad and truster and it goes better as a quad. so my 5'1 baked is better as a thruster but my brothers 5'5 baked is better as a quad. thinking about it, i guess the 5'5 floats so well, that i can't really drive and push the board much so I become a passenger to the boards capabilities. which is best as a quad. While my 5'1 baked goes better as a thruster because I can tic tak it around and the thruster give me more drive. hope that makes sense.
Veramente un bel set !! Thomas , così é meglio secondo te , rispetto al solo TWIN machado??
Ciao Andrea. No, not better, but different. Depends on the surfer and what that surfer wants to feel. Twin keel is fast and feels like the board has a motor. but then becomes a tad harder to turn tight. so in bigger open waves, I like the keels. In medium waves with tighter pockets, a non keel twin (like the NVS Orcas) with a stabilizer seems better, for control and maneuverability.
@@ThomyeSurfs thank you very much!!🥰🥰
Any update on Lost stabilizer?
yes, i have the lost offset trailer fin as well as the Naked Viking version. The NVS version is a tad smaller so I think it works better but in either case, it does stabilize the board especially when the water foamy or broken. Typically if running the 2 minus the 1, the board is a tad slippery and doesn't have a lot of bite at lower speeds. So when pushing off the tail, it doesn't drive as well. Adding that fin give it a more truster feel or a twin feel with more drive. At higher speeds the offset gives it a tad more hold than the stabilizer that I used in the video. I'm not sure I will make an entirely different video of it. I have 2 boards I have to get done and finding no time to post process. :( Hope this helps and hopefully I can get around to it.
Love the videos, keep ‘em coming! I’m trying to decide on a Sunday 7’ 0r 7’3”. I’m 5’10” 205 lbs. Any thoughts?
what are you on now. and what does you wave look like most of the time.
@@ThomyeSurfs
Thanks for the response! I’m on a 6’6” Plunderer, it’s 46 liters. I surf only beach breaks. I think I’m beginning to realize I’m gonna have more fun on bigger boards… just turned 40, time to hang up the potatoe chip thrusters. Just don’t want to go too big, I know it’s only a 3” difference between the two sizes, but want to be confident on my purchase at that price! I know I should be riding more liters, but do I go up 7 liters or 10? Not sure how much it will affect my surfing.
I was also thinking 7’0” seaside & beyond , but it’s only 45 liters, less than I’m on now, but thought the extra 6” would make a great paddler.
@@tristanholsgrove7619 Purely mathematically speaking, I'm on the 6'0 which is 38L. You at 205 lbs if you wanted to surf the board in my ratio, would be 53L which is the 7'0. Having said that, I am riding my Sunday like a mid-length even though 6'0 isn't mid-length. I bought it to cruise. I scaled it that way. Something that I could barely duck dive. It was a total surprise to me how well it surfed as a twin and 2 +1. I did not like it as a single or a 1 +2 but to be fair, that is not my style of surfing.
At any rate, 7' is probably a good bump up for you. If I wanted as much performance, I would get the 5'6 Sunday which mathematically would be 42L for you. I think that is the 6'4. But that is aiming for performance. The board in my opinion in the longer lengths, is more of a fun board.
Anyways, hope that didn't confuse you. In a nutshell, 7' is good.
@@tristanholsgrove7619 Oh, BTW. I did buy the 6'8 which is big for me, too big. but, I don't have any illusions of grandeur on it. When I right that board, I cruise and have as much fun as possible. I don't look for an ounce of performance. In this case, the 7'3 would be better. Again, if you are looking to cruise without going to a full on longboard.
Grazie mille per il tuo video!!!❤❤ e i tuoi test!! Io abito in italia .. e volevo prendere un sunday 7'....
Secondo te , quindi é meglio twin, 1 +2 stabilizzatori , o twin + stabilizzatore???
Grazie mille in anticipo!
Prego. The newer Sundays only come in twin without the center. If your Sunday has a center box, use this fin: futuresfins.com/products/lost-3-625
Where in Italy do you surf? My very good friends family live up near Rimini. No surf there but beautiful place. I want to visit again. :)
this one too for the Sunday with the center box www.surfnvs.com/collections/apex-series/products/stabilizer-apex-1
@@ThomyeSurfs yessss!!! Near rimini!! Bellaria igea-marina!!!😊😊😊🥰🥰❤️
@@ThomyeSurfs where you leave??
@@andreavalpiani9078 Wow, that is really near Rimini. I live in California in the US (very close to Disneyland). My friend is from Santarcangelo di Romagna. I visited 18 years to see my friend get married there. Beautify countryside. I hope to visit again someday.
I think Stewart in San Clemente had a trailer fin that fits the larger center fin box.
thanks, i'll check it out. so far, the best one I have seen is this one: futuresfins.com/products/lost-3-625
I like the offset which makes the most sense.
Thomye Surfs keep up the great content and surfing.
Bolsa Chica had a few fun ones this morning.
I will check out that trailer. I have always wanted to try a twin fin set up.😎
@@GlenGGonsalves I called Naked Viking Surf and they are going to try and make me one but in the C-drive. That would be very interesting. :)
Thomye Surfs cool!
I got the Stewart Funline 11 7’6 for my first mid length (old school-but it’s been fun).
The Sunday looks to be a blast.
Enjoy!😎
@@GlenGGonsalves so far so good. I spoke with a firewire rep who is willing to let me ride his 5'6 for another review. That should be interesting. I think that one will be more performance oriented.
That’s actually not a 2 + 1 setup. 2 + 1 is a single fin with 2 side bites. This is a twin plus trailer. It doesn’t make much sense I know.
Yeah. I have heard that before but I think it "should be" a 2 +1 vs a 1 +2. Makes more sense to me. Primary us a support fin(s). I think we should make an attempt to change the definition.
@@ThomyeSurfs I agree. Whoever came up with the present terminology must have too much saltwater in their brain.
@@garretdouglas4056 in the end, i guess none of that matters. just how the board and fins surf. I am going to try these out next: futuresfins.com/products/lost-3-625
@@ThomyeSurfs awesome. I have an MR style board and it goes really well with the Futures T1s. The trailer makes a big difference.
@@garretdouglas4056 I need to get a set of the T1s. You are the third person to mention them. I like the ENs but they're a tad big on most boards I surf. They're probably just right for the Sunday 6-0 though.
Good review but the drop in at 5:27 is not cool.
normally it wouldn't be but that's my little brother and he told me to go.
@@ThomyeSurfs 👍
If you haven't ordered one yet hit me up.
I just had it delivered today. It's pretty sweet.
Did you see the new Sunday model? They removed the single fin, so it’s only a twin and they changed the fin position so it performs better.
Yeah, I saw that they removed the US Box but thought they kept the other fins in the same place. Now I'm curious what the ride feel is like. Might have to hunt one down to see what it feels like.
@@ThomyeSurfs haiwaiisouthshore said they changed the fin position in one of their UA-cam shorts.
ua-cam.com/users/shortspDjjbM7Ny1Q?feature=share
I actually have a brand new 7’4 seaside and beyond I never surfed yet. It’s been on the rack since December. Thinking about maybe trading it to try the Sunday again 😂