THE INCREDIBLY SAD RISE & FALL OF CREED
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
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What happened to Creed? I look at the rise & fall of Creed, including:
* The early years of Creed, when Scott Stap & Mark Tremonti met
* Their rise to fame with "My Own Prison," Wind-Up Records and "Human Clay" ("Higher," "Arms Wide Open")
* Creed's 3rd album "Weathered" and eventual breakup due to Scott Stapp's issues
* Mark Tremonti's solo project & Alter Bridge
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0:00 Intro
2:41 The early years of Creed
5:45 "My Own Prison" & Wind-Up Records
9:29 "Human Clay," "Higher" & "Arms Wide Open"
13:51 Why Creed actually broke up
16:29 Scott Stapp's public breakdown & Facebook videos - Розваги
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Done ✅
Linkin Park might have been a little larger commercially with Hybrid Theory? Only other rock band that would come close.
You gotta wear that hat in your next video
The band Creed comes over to my house every other weekend and cleans my toilet with their tongues
I agree Finn, their is a lot unfair criticism on Christians in the media and towards Christian bands in general because they don’t fit the narrative of the woke society in the United States today. You have gotten me in to so many different bands to listen to, I really appreciate that. I also love watching your channel keep on rocking it out.
I love the fact that you always humanise people you talk about and that you are trying to see beyond cliche
@@xkidmidnightx if you feel this way why would you watch his videos?
He does that because he's an ex-junkie, like Stapp.
This is what keeps me coming back, I don't agree with every take on music, but I always recognize the best intentions of humanizing people.
@@xkidmidnightx Bullshit.
Clearly some haters amongst us. Must be doing something right, now you have haters, Finn!
Creed was my oldest sister's favorite band, she played their first album on repeat when she bought. In October of 1998 she fell asleep at the wheel, wrecked her car into a telephone and later died from her injuries. At her funeral one of her friends, who found her and reported the crash, told us that her stereo was still playing that album when he called 911. So because of my need to feel closer to her Creed became one of my favorite bands and their music really helped me get though one of the most difficult times of my life. Them and Linkin Park, who i had discovered shortly after her death, kept me sane while my family and life as i knew it fell apart. I didnt know or care what was going on behind the scenes because i was 13 and just needed an outlet for the shitstorm I was going through. But looking at it today I think you are right about the critics and why the were being unfair towards them.
Tragic but beautiful story.
I was born in October 1998, Monday the 26th to be exact.
I'm sorry about your sister, Creed is also my favorite band.
Wow
I'm so sorry for your loss. Linkin Park got me through some dark times too. 😢 I hope time has helped you and your family heal.
Thank you guys, it has gotten somewhat easier over time, there is so much more to this story I could write a book, seriously. But the most important part was that my mom was able to get custody of my nephew (who was 2 at the time) and she finally worked up the courage to divorce my dad ( was an alcoholic and would get violent towards her at times). That put a lot of responsibility on me and my other older sister but we all stuck together and we made it work the best we could. My nephew is grown now and doing well. I just recently gave him a trunk full of his moms things that i had been saving for him and that was very emotional but he is grateful to have any peice of her he can get. I truly admire my mom so much for her strength and perseverance during what was the hardest point in her life. What she went through was far worse than anything i was going through. Looking back now that I am a parent myself and about the age she was when all of this happened... I don't know how she did it without completely loosing her shit. I mean she still had 2 teenage daughters and a grandson to raise with no real help from anyone beside us. I probably should write a book about it. My mom deserves some recognition and who knows it may inspire others who are facing similar challenges. 🤔 Creeds music definitely triggers some real emotions and memories for me and my family. But i am glad i had their music and Linkin Park's to cling to during that time.
Man I just love how empathetic you are. Spreading positivity without being bullshitty, preachy, or toxic about it. Really appreciate it!
❤
Mark Tremonti is one of the finest guitarists of that late 90’s early 2000’s era.
100% agree. He is self taught and looked at guitar from
A different point of view.
He's actually better than Jerry Cantrell, I'm sorry but he is even though Jerry's phenomenal. What a bullshit headline that the publisher wrote back then. I guess Creed's sound was kinda basic so I guess they were just basing their opinion off that.
@@BreeFItzgerald Oh no don't get me wrong Jerry Cantrell is absolutely amazing. Both him and Mark Tremonti are absolute legends.
Im actually very impressed with the amps. Mans a genius!
@BreeFItzgerald He is a legend, but Tremonti as he stands today is quite a bit more prolific than Cantrell in the guitar world. Cantrell didn't write Blackbird after all.
Can this really be happening in 2022? A person with a large media platform being compassionate and generous in their interpretation of someone's actions?? Wild. Finn--so thankful that you've been able to work through your own history, for your own sake but also so you can be compassionate to the people you talk about.
Being compassionate is fine. So is calling a mediocre band out for making pappy, trite, generic music. Personality and behavior of their faux-Christian front man aside, Creed makes Nickleback seem talented and interesting. I was also there for the coma-inducing bummer that was Creed on every other radio station and TV commerical for about a year. Their music is exactly the kind of fake, artless, heartless, crap that American corporations can use to express their superficiality and lack of commitment to anything but commercially safe, soulless music that belongs in a grocery store specifically for traumatic head injury patients, as they are the only people who could ever hear a Creed song and unironically say, "This is my jam!"
I've run in to these poor souls on occasion, and listening to them try to string more than 4 words together in an effort to explain how, "They really sing from the heart and I love how the singer tries so hard to be Eddie Vedder" is as sad as it is hilarious. Bring that "Mouth full of marbles" bullshit back! Lmao.
@@bEnderOfWorlds hmm, this is the most nauseating comment in all of Internet history. Creed served a niche. The only thing that matters in music is to connect with an audience and they did that. No twat in the UA-cam comments can take that away from them.
@@bEnderOfWorldsthis attitude is exactly the type of thing that he was trying to criticize. Mediocre art that people connect to can be critiqued but it doesn't need to inspire the type of simmering hate that your comment suggests. "Bad" art is art that is condescending, art that is hateful, etc. There will always be commerical, uninspired, lazy work and there will always be people who despite that, or because of that, enjoy it. I think it's a big sign of maturity and one reason why I really enjoy these videos is because he doesn't criticize people for liking the things that they like.
I don't really like Creed, but my dad sincerely sent me the song "With Arms Wide Open" because he thought it reminded him of when I was a baby. That is real sentiment and it seems inappropriate to take that away from someone by saying the emotion they took from a piece of art isn't real.
He’s at least acknowledged most his mistakes and worked hard to keep them all in the past. Can’t say that about many of the jerk offs in the entertainment world who continue to play victim or treat things like they weren’t that big of a deal. Sure do hope him and Mark will put things aside, other projects and feelings, and make a comeback with creed. For a new album, and/or just some good tours. The haters are loud and obnoxious, but they’re few compared to the many real fans who are quietly still here, just waiting for the day we can be loud and proud once again cheering on one of our favorite 90’s bands
This is why Rock music is irrelevant today and no longer popular. YOU FANS. You all act like some elitists who hate on bands for the lamest things.
Never understood why people stopped like Creed and other bands from the early 2000s. You fans are ruining your own genre. CONGRATS
Mark and Scott have put things aside, but they haven't committed to any plans
Like Stephen Tyler
@@rickyrichreacts9667 this is kind of a confusing comment lol I think I get what you're saying, but OP may not.
I’m very happy with Mark doing his thing with Myles and AlterBridge! I like Creed well enough. But love what Mark and Crew did and do with AB!
I was at the My Own Prison album release shows at Floyd’s in Tallahassee and then at their show the following week when they opened for Sister Hazel.
They blew the roof off every set. I’m not exaggerating when I say they were the best rock band I’ve ever seen. Creed was lightning in a bottle. Very few will ever comprehend how good they were.
I agree completely. 2/14/02 in Milwaukee was something I'll never forget. It was their first arena tour, there's some Valentines magic in the air. The pure energy was overwhelming, I've never seen so many people in tears. When Scott cuffed the mic the crowd was deafening on the sing back. I'm convinced I'll never be a part of a show that moving ever again.
@@luigivampa5362 I agree I saw them in Knoxville that year. One of the most amazing shows I have ever seen even to this day.
I was there too. Floyd's was a great place to hear music.
i miss floyd’s
... and then they created Alter Bridge and could do no wrong. I've been to three AB concerts and one Mark Tremonti concert, also did a meet and greet. The most kind down to earth dudes. Most underrated band out there!
Tremonti is legitimately a great guitar player in his own right. Thanks for this one, Finn.
He’s also quite a singer. He recently did an album (faithfully) covering Sinatra, and it’s legit really good.
Yeah that riff on What If is badass
@@mikeomatic9905 yeah, it’s really good.
@@SuperCrazyPsycho731 one of my personal favorite riffs tbh.
@@SuperCrazyPsycho731 the first time I heard it was on the Scream 3 soundtrack. Unfortunately, most of the album wasn’t as much of a banger.
This is S-tier content.
You brought the story all the way through, made a celebrity into a dude, and convicted the audience to be better humans.
Well done, my dude 💯🤙
Underrated comment.
As a Christian who is part native and struggled a lot with alcohol when I was younger, I appreciate you standing up for Christians as you did at the end of this video, and I appreciate you bringing his issues to light in a different way than we’ve really seen. Also, when I was a kid listening to this band, I never thought of their lyrics as “preachy” I grew up around a ton of preachy people, and those lyrics just seemed to come from the heart like other artists of the time like Alice In Chains and 3 Doors Down, and since God was in his heart, it showed in the music simple as that.
He struggled but he never lost his faith.
Dude 3 Doors Down is so underrated!!!! Those dudes had so many hits. I always give them props. Such an amazing group and their music hits so deep
Same here. I have had the exact same story. And I am not making jokes. crazy shit! 👍
You don't have to be a Christian to like creed. Religion doesn't even matter.
I'm a Christian and I also self medicate but pray for forgiveness and grace
i love how mature and unbiased this video is about creed
Most people are suprised to find how many Creed songs they know , and how good they are. Tremonti is a talented musician and Scott’s voice is very powerful.
Good? Wow. There are fans of anything, I guess.
@@monkeyballs512 🤣🤣🤣
@@monkeyballs512 the first albums are awesome. What if is an amazing song.
lol
@@nonyobussiness3440 what if is my favorite song from them ….
Scott's story is so sad. I'm glad he finally got his life turned around
It feels easy for society to just judge ppl. I don’t justify the actions but damn just learning of all the generational Trauma Scott went through.
If Scott tours in your area with his solo act, I highly recommend you check him out. Guy is on top of his game, plays all of the Creed hits and a few of his own.
The best part is Scott used to put down all of these other musicians who used to drink or do drugs. In reality he ended up becoming the biggest hypocrite getting all tweaked out on crystal meth.
@@seanriopel3132 why is that the best part? It's actually quite horrifying. It's more of a tragic irony, if anything.
@@leonvalentine3748 Because he used to chastise other musicians who would have a drink before they went on stage or over indulged in general. It would have been one thing if he simply kept his mouth shut but chose to belittle these other people and make it sound like he was better than them because he didn't do ANYTHING before or after he went on stage. As it turns out he was a complete hypocrite. THAT is why I find it hilarious. Just like these politicians who told everyone to lock down during the pandemic and stay home then come to find out their going on vacations with their family to Mexico or throwing Christmas office parties for them and their staff. It is one thing to silently judge someone in your head but once you profess out to the world and it turns out your being a complete hypocrite... I'm sorry but I just find that the one of the funniest things in the world and the sweetest sense of revenge and justice.
Thank you for being so respectful and understanding towards Scott as an artist and as a human being. I was introduced to creed at an early age by my father, that was his way of getting me to better understand him and his struggles with his faith and the world he lived in. When he would play With Arms Wide Open, he'd breakdown into tears explaining to me, all that he ever wished for was for my older sister and I to not end up like him, that hopefully he could only ever give us the best parts of himself as a parent. Today at the age of 23 I empathize so much with both Scott and my father because I too struggle to better myself both as a person on earth and a servant under Christ. Christian or not I believe all of us can understand that sometimes the battle isn't always human, our biggest battle is within. Scotts lyrics really hits home for those who cant and don't know how to verbally describe this pain of the constant struggle of wanting to better ourselves but always seeming to fall short. I love Scott and applaud him for just being human.
I seen Scott about a month ago.
And let me tell you. I've seen over 70 rock bands. And he was absolutely one of the best. Sounded like it was 1999. Super kick ass. He's been though a lot good to see him happy and healthy. Screw the creed haters hope they get back together and tour
I hope Creed reunites too.
I hope he still lives by his old creed that life is about "Fingering butts and fondling nuts."
yes
Did he look pretty good? He always seems to be good then bad.
@@spfadden082711 looked to be in tremendous shape considering his age hell, he's a lot better shape than I am pretty jacked.
And like I said, he sounded like it was 1999. Definitely top two vocalists I've ever seen.
In the past he struggled with mental health issues and tried to deal with those with alcohol so never really worked out. I think he's been clean for at least a couple years now
As a kid you get sucked up by criticism. You go with the so-called "norm" cause you don't want to fall victim to the same hatred, and struggle to find your own opinion. Not only with music, but with people, clothing, your personal views, varying if it were religious or sexual preference. The world can be extremely cruel and it's hard to form your own opinion without fearing of backlash. The enjoyment I felt when you ended the video by telling people to take a step back, and ask themselves "why" they would hate or criticize, something or someone, brought a tear to my eye. This video was very beautifully made and it went into depth of the entirety of their rise and fall. I'm a Creed fan, and a fan of all genres of music, and I'm now a fan of this page so I liked and subscribed. Thank you for posting this and look forward for more! 🙌🙏
I dont wanna be part of the noorm. I wanna be attracted to dogs! (Sarcasm)
I dont wanna be part of the norm. I like creed.
Them: not my friend anymore
reminds me of when 50Cent discredited Ja Rule's rapping career because he sings, now some of the top selling successful rappers sing.
I agree ✌️💜
Let this be a strong lesson to think for yourself and be an individual with independent thoughts! Never allow the masses to think for you, now more than ever this is needed!
The truth is, you can't talk shit on Scott Stapp because he blessed us with the masterpiece that is "Marlins Will Soar" and that is the biggest get out of jail free card to ever exist.
This video is incomplete without mention of that song.
Plus he’s mentally ill. He didn’t choose that.
@@jacobhaynes691 let’s play ball it’s gamedayyy
@@osamabonjovi8038 we want strikeouts, base hits, doble plays.
I didnt never hear of that before. That was pretty awesome!
Thank you for humanizing Scott and all the guys in the band. Taking pleasure in someone else’s downfall makes you a terrible person. I knew some of Scott’s story but not as much as you just revealed. I love Creed, as band and have tickets to see them next September and I am so excited to see them together again for this tour. I am Christian and pray for Scott’s sobriety, that he continues to grace us with his talent❤️
Unfortunately a lot of rock bands/singers from that era get demonized because of their actions. Wes Scantlin from Puddle of Mudd is a perfect example where the actions due to alcohol/drug addiction can make people think you’re “not human”. At the end of the day all rock singers are human
Also Scott is doing well, I saw some recent interviews of him and he actually curbed his addiction it seems and is on the right path
I lost an uncle to depression last December , Creed was one of his favourite bands.
I grew up listening to a lot of Creed and that uncle was the one who first taught me how to play guitar.
After he passed, I went through a phase of relistening to Creed all over again.
He absolutely loved ‘Higher’ and ‘Arms with open’. I remember staying up a couple of nights trying to learn those songs on the guitar just to go show him the next weekend.
Creed had a couple of great songs, overall great band. People should stop hating on them to fit in with the masses.
Creed was my gateway to metal. I owe everything to Human Clay. Tremonti is a riff god. It was primarily the killer riffs that brought me in. Love
Yeah Tremonti definitely held back his full talent while in Creed, and made simple but memorable melodies
Same for me. I would play human clay all day while playing Mario kart 64 all day as a kid.
Dude, same! They opened the door to everything. The fact that they had such heavy riffs but were easy to listen to made getting into the genre smooth. I took a lot of crap for listening to them but I always said that the musicians were in another class and people should not sleep on them. Now thanks to Alter Bridge all of them are revered and Creed's name isn't such a bad word anymore.
Agreed, Tremonti has always been a beast.
Same here, the riffs and licks he wrote are just amazing.
Marl Tremonti is such a great guitarist, I think he's so underrated.
*_Amazing singer as well._*
@@xkidmidnightx what makes you think OP doesn't?
Amen!
@@sick911 that's the issue with some people. They assume because you like one thing it automatically means you don't like other things.
Nah, for real. Dude can shred, and he's a fantastic song writer. It's a shame he gets so little credit just because he's in "the worst band ever."
I loved Creed. Scott’s lyrics helped me during a time when I felt like the lyrics mirrored my own struggles. I didn’t even know what “Christian” music was. I just related to them and the music IMO was rocking and catchy and at the same time touched me on a deeper level. I’m thankful for Creed
my former best friend use to mistreat me just because i would listen tomarilyn manson and slipknots first 2 studio albums i listen to other bands as well not manson and slipknot he use to harrasse me pick on me call me names ditch me also he use to harrasse me in front of my ery own mom due to my musical taste and yes i listen to creed as well
Higher is my favorite and lots of people I know if you say Creed that song comes up being memorable.
Remember being in a trailer for a cartoon that revolves around future and living in space and it's exploration,
nothing about that ever screamed Christianity or anything even close to it.
It was more about technology, science and the characters as in what they will utilize it for and the song covered the story very well.
Who ever picked it did a great job.
And it's a great example to some songs work well for anything you put atop of it. Also can be taken out of context hence why they got the backlash.
Even tho I wouldn't expect anything less from a typical brainwashed western person, judging negatively anything that isn't formal to their way of a flawed life.
USA was built on coruption and parasitic practices and they still to this day do this. Even their church is corrupt no matter what religion we speak of, lots of them are just bad political movements and serve the evil. Granted there are good ones too just like people buy sadly its a minority.
Hatred and judging you don't know nor don't want to know about is a norm. If a TV or typical clickbait garbage website tells you something is bad you take it for a fact and just hate upon it.
This band being hated is just another thing on a list of a westerner to hate, since when they hate themselves they equally can't like anyone or anything else. Even if they do say they like something, they lie.
@@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy tbhwy creed is one of my all time favorite bands
And who cares if its Christian based anyways. The lyrics were good and applicable to all. Good values are good values.
Before I became a Christian I was a big metal head, and later got more into grind and crust punk. In those years all I ever heard from many of the bands and people I hung out with was how bad Christianity is. They had a lot say against Christianity but hardly ever anything against other religions. Many would claim that their inverted crosses are a symbol of being against all religions. Yet the emphasis was always against Jesus and Christianity.
I'm now a born again Christian and can only look back and see how that for these bands and people Christianity is a easy target due to core doctrines in our faith, turn the cheek, pray for those who persecute you, love your enemies, if your enemy is hungry give him something to eat. Etc. True Christians believe the Bible and will be obedient to it.
Where many other religions will fight you physically. Now its easy for me to debate these people as they are usually completely ignorant when it comes to the bible and Christian doctrine.
Matthew 5:43-45
“You have heard that it was said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I (Jesus) say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
Finn making such wholesome and open minded content is what i always come back for /.. every week
🎶 with mind wide open 🎶 lol
@@theCaslin Looooool good one.
people can talk smack about Creed if they want (I honestly kind of liked most of their music... I'll say it), but whether you like Creed or not, Mark Tremonti is an absolute beast on the guitar.
Preach brotha
Creed personally was always one of my guilty pleasures. Along with the similarly oft despised nickelback!
I mean I’m mostly a metalhead, some punk, and/or alternative rock type person. But sometimes you want to listen to something that while a bit generic is emotionally uplifting.
Same here, they were one of my first rock bands I got into before I went down the metal rabbit hole. Human Clay is a great album.
I was at that show in Chicago where Stapp had his “meltdown”…I was like 18-19 so I remember it pretty well. Weirdest performance I’ve ever seen, you could tell something was off from the start and then just went off the rails when he began laying down on stage while mumbling the words. Eventually they took him off stage and Tremonti finished the show and he was awesome as a “frontman”…don’t think Creed ever truly recovered from that night
I saw them with Godsmack in like 99. My friend whose dad got us the tickets cried during Creed and we made SO much fun of her. We were like 13 and her parents were going through a divorce, so it was a cathartic moment for her.
Nothing like tweens to shit on your emotional religious experience.💩
This is the most 1999 thing I've ever heard.
I was a fan of Creed in the late 90s/early 2000s in middle school. In the years after they broke up, the hate for them kinda started to set in in my teenage mind and I started buying into the “they always sucked” attitude. When Scott Stapp played with A Day to Remember at the APMAs in 2016 it really reminded me that hey, I still love Creed, and it was so dope to see after he had that breakdown not long before. I re-listened to their entire discography after that and it took me back to being a kid in the best way.
I still think creed was way better than the ultra forgettable alter bridge that took its spot.
They did always suck. They still suck, they sucked then, if they reunited it would be a miracle if they somehow did t suck
This is why Rock music is irrelevant today and no longer popular. YOU FANS. You all act like some elitists who hate on bands for the lamest things.
Never understood why people stopped like Creed and other bands from the early 2000s. You fans are ruining your own genre. CONGRATS
@@rickyrichreacts9667 Naw thats what makes it such an involved subculture, constant contrast and competition. Its how you shit check non fans, people wearing walmart Zeppelin shirts. Its an inherent part of fandom, so you just hate fandom because you cant have one without the other. Thats you get a totally corporate industry like Pop music.
@@rickyrichreacts9667 I didn’t stop liking Creed. I never liked Creed. The problem with rock has always been the type of fan who couldn’t tell Creed sucked the first time they heard it
Finn killin it again. You have an under appreciated gift of being able to not only research the history of a band or genre, unbiasedly tell the story despite your leanings, and do so in a elegant, eloquent, and engaging manner. 🤘🏽🤘🏽if Finn posts. I watch. Cheers bro
Thank you!
It's funny how the critics always go "too fake" but also hate a band for being honest with their/ the member's struggle
I have always liked Creed. Back in the day I was a huge fan and I still love to rock out to some Creed today. Many people connected with their lyrics and music because they were singing about some very real issues that everyone struggles with.
As far as the critics, I have never listened to them so they can suck it.
I swear man, you have had such a huge impact on the kids that grew up on all the music you talk about, specifically they’re mindset…in the “I don’t like things that everyone likes” or the natural contrarian mentality. I have to say personally, I find myself going out of my way to be more open minded about new music and music that I used to pointlessly talk shit about. And I know that isn’t everyone but it seemed like a lot of my friends also had that attitude and I think it also correlates to when you started the channel, but I’ve noticed in the last couple years all the old crab core kids or djent kids or just metal and hardcore in general have been much more open minded and inviting and realized that attitude doesn’t lead to anything good or being a person anyone wants to be around and I think you kind of were the example for a lot of us. Watching you be as objective as you are and and showing how limiting that mindset is is something I actually think about in all other aspects of my life and so have a lot of your fans including my friends and it’s made us all happier. I know it’s apart of growing up but you are a great example of the blueprint to just chill out and enjoy things.
Thanks man, I appreciate that!
Nice post. Maybe Finn could do the same for politics too! That would be a REAL challenge.
@Kommisar "Maybe Finn could do the same for politics too"
in this day and age, where you are either a "communist" OR an alt-right anti-science cult member? I do not think that's possible to go "out of my way to be more open minded about things that I used to pointlessly talk shit about" in politics. Not possible and not desirable. I have plenty of opinions that are aligned with what one would call conservatisms, or at least not aligned with what the usual leftist thinks and stands for, but that would never, ever make me vote for an alt-right anti-science cult leader like the sorts of Bolsonaro and Trump. If that is what the conservative party chose to have as their representative, thanks, but no. Call me a communist, be my guest, but I'll be on the other side with the "commies" until this filthy wave of right-wing extremism pass.
@@drdj2626 I said that tongue in cheek because even though I know it would be nice if Finn could open people's minds to looking at something in a different way in politics like he does with music, it's not going to happen, even though I'd like to think it's somewhat possible he could do that if he set his mind to it and had a passion for politics.
I don't give two shits about your political ideology either. Go find a soapbox elsewhere.
@@kommisar. "I don't give two shits about your politics"
my day is ruined.
I love success stories like Scott's. I loved Human Clay when I was a teenager because I was struggling with much of the same inner battles of trauma & faith.
I will say, I always enjoy your deep dives into these tortured artists and your empathy while speaking about mental health. You do it with a lot of care and respect.
🙏
@@ThePunkRockMBA brother you never mentioned Scott Stapps schizophrenia. Very relevant.
This channel is kind of incredible, especially when you do these sorts of biographies. I had no idea Scott acted so poorly and had so many troubles, and I had no idea his childhood was so tragic. I also had no idea that Creed wasn’t actually an intentional Christian band.
They had always denied being a Christian band, as that was a common accusation made of them. Scott's troubles were pretty well documented throughout his band's history too. It got much worse though after they broke up, and he just wasn't in the news as much. It is true that he reports doing well nowadays though, so that's good. I didn't like Creed at all when they were around, but I never wished harm on any of them.
They certainly gave off the vibe though, and I happen to be a Christian myself.
@@UltraSaiyan419 but it was also clear that wasn't the intention despite the shit critics were saying it definitely always sounded like Scott was having a conversation with himself in their music.
One huge important detail that was left out here--Scott on top of his trauma also had an underlying bipolar disorder that went undiagnosed until well AFTER his psychotic breakdown in 2014, meaning not only did he have to contend with the rehab situation but then had to retroactively examine his behavior under the lens of someone with this condition and how that exacerbated everything and then make the decision to MEDICATE himself AFTER having gone sober. Imagine living 20 years of your life with depressing and substance abuse issues, finally coming clean of it all and feeling totally free, and then having a doctor tell you "by the way you also need to start taking these other drugs again if you want to stay on the level" after having already been lied to by so many other doctors throughout his life like the Wind-Up Records' recommended physician who had put him on opioids to keep him touring. People make fun of him because it's easy but honestly the man wakes up every day and has to make a hard choice just to be able to feel somewhat normal as a human being, let alone continue working hard to pursue musical success. I defy anyone to live that kind of life and not be more successful than he was in his suicide attempts.
Very well said my brother.
My Own Prison is one of my favorite songs ever
Say what you want about him. But Scott Stapp just recently within the past couple years or so. Has really turned his life around. Got sober and released a solo album that is actually quite good. He got a lot of praise for it. Guy looks and sounds better than ever
I guess he finally Stapped
@@FamilyTreeRG he was torn and in his own prison. Guess he finally asked what’s this life for and realized he wanted to go higher and accept life with arms wide open
@Hydra Dominatus ok…. Not saying it’s for everyone. Just stating he’s doing much better…..
Please keep doing these types of videos. Not everyone can handle being rich and famous, but props for Scott getting his life together. Even though they said "he's no Layne Staley", Scott found a way to do something Layne unfortunately couldn't.
Yeah, live
Good point!
I respect the ability to put an r sound in literally ever single word even when they dont have the letter r in them. Pronouncing "me" with an r sound is impressive, thats why i love aussies with their "naauur"(instead of no)
Great band. Through Creed we've had Alter Bridge, Tremonti and that also led to Myles singing with Slash plus his own solo albums. Not a bad result.
Myles Kennedy was actually offered to be in Velvet Revolver prior to Alter Bridge. However, I've heard Myles say he declined because he already committed to Alter Bridge. The timeline isn't clear.
@@heybrowhatupwatch over you was written in 2002. Myles said in an interview
Finn, you're a good dude. Really well done, not a fan of Creed but your empathy for Scott and his struggles really hit home. As a child of alcoholic parents and recovering addict (God willing 26 years sober on the 21st of August), I get how easy it is for people to blow off someone like Scott. Thank you for treating his story with decency and compassion.
Same here dude. Both parents and my own struggles for years. I’m glad times have changed and we can talk about this stuff
I grew up loving Creed. Totally will admit it, my family took me to see them many times as a kid. Scott has an amazing range when he actually uses it and the other musicians, especially Mark have gone on to become legendary considered one of the great innovators. I think we’ll see a Creed tour again someday.
This is why Rock music is irrelevant today and no longer popular. YOU FANS. You all act like some elitists who hate on bands for the lamest things.
Never understood why people stopped like Creed and other bands from the early 2000s. You fans are ruining your own genre. CONGRATS
@@rickyrichreacts9667 peepeepoopoo
I LOVE that you say the truth behind all of the pain or toxic behaviors of people that have experienced trauma. Everyone is quick to offer prayers when someone is abused, but then will condemn the addict the victim ultimately turns into. It's sad and we need more people like you who can see both sides of the person. Great video.
I once saw them back in high school on a school night cause a girl I liked had free tickets and wanted me to go with her.
Creed and stained put on a hell of a show tbh. Had so much fun that night.
Also that verse "only in America do we kill the unborn to make ends meet" is VERY profound.
I loved Creed when I was in elementary school. Never cared for all the other post-grunge bands, Creed's music always sounded a lot more earnest than the music released by their counterparts. It's weird the way Christian rock artists got shit on as if they were the same monolithic force of domination in rock music that Christian conservatives were in government. A lot of my favorite bands were Christian, and I was surprised by how their messages were a lot closer to "Hey this is something that worked for us, you can take it or leave it" than "If you're not one of us you're not welcome and will be tortured in hellfire for eternity after a life of marginalization from mainstream society"
I can't thank you enough for emphasizing the need for empathy and compassion for people who have had a difficult life. This was different and refreshing to see. You rock.
I listened to Creed a lot as a teenager and it was one of my favorite bands. I was sad when they broke up, but had no idea why. I didn't know critics hated them and had no idea about the abuse or the other issues. And I've heard of Alter Bridge but never listened to them, and didn't know it consisted of ex-Creed players. I will give them a listen.
AB is just good if not better. Give em a try!
Seriously Alter Bridge is amazing especially the longer songs like Blackbird, Fortress, Fable of the Silent Son. There are some more Creed like songs too especially on the first album like "Shed My Skin", "Open Your Eyes", "Broken Wings" and on later albums like "Ghost of Days Gone by", "Life Must go on", "All ends well".
Scott Stapps voice is just one of a kind god given talent… it carries so much power and bass, midrange, and has the gritty sound hitting the higher register. It’s a human wall of sound
Tremonti still kicking ass with Alter Bridge and his self named band. Brilliant records. One of the metal gods (yes, METAL) we still have for a while
Hell yeah!!!
Still love Creed. Don’t care how uncool that may be. Countless hits that whenever they come on I can’t help but get amped up!
That’s the problem, people be scared and embarrassed still
Creed is awesome and always will be, My Own Prison the Single is a very powerful song.
It's crazy to know that I was mixed in the origins of this band. I had lived in Tallahassee, FL in 1992 and had a band called Faust. We use to frequent a small pub called Hole in the Wall that was right off of 6th St and Monroe now called The Leon Pub. Upon an open mic jam summer of 1992 we met guitarist Dan Bartley and drummer Hardy Mattox of Mattox Creed. We ended up jamming together a few times and were attempting to merge the two bands for an ultimate line-up. It was short lived and I ended up moving back to Arizona early 1993. I remember meeting Brian Marshall sometime in 1992 when he had either just joined Mattox Creed or was in the processes of jamming with Scott and Mark. Either way what a trip. Hey Dan & Hardy if you ever read this it's Anthony. Eric and Kearns were the other members of Faust. Small world. I went on to record some metal albums after. My mother still lives there in Tallahassee.
The fact that a critic wrote that about Tremonti…….is wild.
It's amazing and sad critics how wrong critics often are. I remember people knocking Scott Weiland as a Eddie Vedder ripoff. Just like those two are legends, so is Cantrell and Tremonti.
Amazing journalism, Finn. I certainly never knew that much about Scott’s history. And I love that even though you don’t subscribe to Christianity, you are always fair and respectful. Much love.
My Own Prison was also one of the first albums promoted extensively on the Internet through Music Fan Pages. I ran a Stone Pilots Fan Page back then and was approached by one of the executives at Wind-Up Records to promote the CD on my webpage. I received a free copy of the CD in exchange. A good friend and fellow webmaster (That's what we called ourselves back then) also promoted the album on his page and we also knew of others. These fan pages were usually done on free webpage services that existed back then like Geocities. Creed was marketed on Grunge/Alternative fan pages.
I appreciate how you can understand the nuance of denouncing someone's behavior but also acknowledging that they've been through a lot. From what I have observed I have seen people use their past as an excuse for their bad behavior and onlookers enabling it.
Respect on your ability to accept someone’s talents regardless of any difference of opinion in areas other than music.
I recently became a saved man, and I’ve noticed some people just HATE me now even though I’m still a dyed in the wool metal head and always will be.
Anyone who made it big in music, particularly rock…wouldn’t have an easy time doing so if viewed as God fearing. Gotta give ‘em THAT
I also like that Scott has recently learned to laugh at himself a bit. Like, you can find a video here on YT where someone is showing Scott the famous 'Creed Shreds' and he's laughing. he's not mad of offended at all.
My Own Prison album is criminally under appreciated.
Creed was such a big band for me when I was a teenager. And what's interesting: Here in Europe we didn't hear as much about the personal lives of the band or whether they're christian or not. So back then, when I first bought their albums and enjoyed listening to them, they were just this great band who did incredible music on this intersection between metal and music.
I'm glad to hear that Scott seems to be doing okay these days. Alter Bridge are great and in general, it just kind of makes me happy that all of Creed's members have found such massive success and seem to be somewhat happy, even if it took a while for some of them.
This was such a great video Finn!! From talking about and giving advice on mental health struggles in your live stream the other night to the message in this video, I think you're such a heartfelt and thoughtful guy. One of the many reasons I'm a big fan. Love ya a bunch. 💓
No gonna lie. I still love My Own Prison album and can listen to it easily today at 37 just as I did in 8th grade. I definitely relate, to some extent, with Stapp's faith journey from then. Young me loved the next stuff Creed came out with at first, but ultimately it was far too formulaic and didn't even hold up with me as my musical taste refined through my teen years. Even being more of a Punk & Ska fan since college, I can still go back and enjoy these old albums like Prison that originally got me into rock.
Great job Finn and fair take on Creed/Stapp.
I'm with you man. Great album!
My Own Prison is still a pretty good album. I can't go back to any of their other albums now but I will still enjoy My Own Prison cover to cover.
I’m an atheist and a metal head and My Own Prison is a guilty pleasure of mine every once in a while.
It’s a classic album despite all the hate Creed gets.
@@Steve-nb1pe fun fact atheism requires a leap of faith. That is, unless you can show me the experiment that proves a diety does not exist.
atheists love that part.
@@jsonjsoff not really. My personal belief is that it is stupid to even seek god. That if you have to believe in something it does not exist. I believe in nothing besides chaos and probabilities.
I believe in nothing besides what is in front of me, certainly not a god who has never made themselves known.
I just listened to a two hour podcast with Scott and Theo Von. I am older, but of course I knew of their most famous songs but not the controversies. I loved your compassion telling Scott's story, personally his childhood sounds like hell in the name of God. I would challenge anyone to be thrown into the limelight/rock n roll world and come out without many horrible mishaps. He seems like a humble and kind man, I wish him the best.
18:27 this is by far one of the most important points you’ve ever made on this channel. Such an important and necessary sentiment of empathy
Creed was one of my favorite bands while growing up. It really sucked to see all the hate and then for them to eventually break up, but, as time has shown, it looks like it was for the best + we got the addition of Alter Bridge & Tremonti.
Funny enough, I re-listened to Creed's entire discography earlier this week (for the first time in at least a decade) and was quickly reminded that, despite all the bullshit, their music really was pretty awesome.
Yeah their music was pretty dope. Mainly because of Mark and the band. Myles Kennedy made an awesome band legendary. It's just too bad there was so much drama around Creed for AB to catch on
That first album was solid.
As a child listening to them in the 90's I never put together the connections in their music to faith. Even though I knew later on in the 2000s it didn't stop me from liking this band. It's sad to find out what is really going on. Being open and honest about these things was a better choice then hiding them. At the end of the day people are going to hate on things for stupid reasons. It is also nice to hear that they are doing better now. Would love for them to make new music.
Higher will always slap. Such a soul touching song
Hit the nail on the head bro. Thanks for putting this out there, there is always room for more compassion and a deeper attempt at understanding.
I honestly feel that even after all these years, Alter Bridge, and specifically Mark Tremonti, don't get the respect they deserve because they still have creed stink on them
While I'm not a fan of Creed's music, I am glad that Scott Stapp went from being a potential tragedy of rock to a success story with being able to turn his life around. Also, understanding the meaning of "Arms Wide Open" and being a father myself does give me an appreciation for that song, as like many fathers, the birth of my son was the greatest moment of my life and my main focus to work through my own struggles with depression and anxiety.
This is why Rock music is irrelevant today and no longer popular. YOU FANS. You all act like some elitists who hate on bands for the lamest things.
Never understood why people stopped like Creed and other bands from the early 2000s. You fans are ruining your own genre. CONGRATS
@@rickyrichreacts9667 did you copy paste this comment several times?
Thanks for this! My first album as a wee 10 yr old, my first concert too. Broke my heart when I heard him lose control. I come from a heavy religious/abusive family dynamic and I just gravitated to this without even realising. Gnarly.
The fact that TI of all people saved his life is the ceaziest thing I've ever learned
As someone who has struggled with addiction and mental health issues my whole life, your message at the end about understanding his issues was really touching. Thanks for another great video Finn.
*_Creed’s Greatest Hits album is one of the best compilation albums ever released. They had so many huge hits, it’s incredible. Very talented band. Tremonti is a phenomenal musician (check out his Frank Sinatra cover album), and Stapp’s lyrics are some of the most vulnerable ever in rock. Haters going to hate, but they were a great band._*
" can you take, me, HIGHER!"
GREAT SONG
You just convinced me that creeds the coolest band ever
One of my favorite bands ever, I don't care what anyone says!
Finn, you are so so good at what you do. What a damn beautiful video. I think a lot of people don't know what to do with truly earnest lyrics, and that's how I've always felt about Creed. (And now I feel about people hating AJR.) When I was in middle school, I don't think I could have related to an album as much as I did Weathered. The melodrama in the writing matched my internal world so well, because everything feels so heightened at that age. Scott is cheesy, perhaps, but I agree that he was always pointing the finger at himself, and it made his writing so brutal and fascinating. Plus, I remember trying to learn guitar by playing the lick at the start of "One Last Breath" and realizing how amazing a guitar Mark Tremonti was. All around, what a beautiful and empathetic video this was.
Thank you!
I sang Higher as my first performance on stage to my 6th grade class and got humiliated afted because I didn't know Creed was uncool 😅
@@PawnsorKings That's hilarious! LOL! Hope it didn't scar you!
Dude...much love and respect for your mother and all she has been through. It takes guts to be that open and share family demons like that so my hats off to you. I am a 6 year and 11 day recovering alcoholic & addict...so I more than understand your words. Thank you for being honest with your opinions and being objective while allowing your subjects to maintain their humanity and dignity. Your video made me rethink and revaluate my words and thoughts about Scott and Creed in general. Thanks man! Keep up the great work.
Really enjoyed this video. Great job.
Creed was truly lightning in a bottle none of the modern bands haven't done what they've done in such a short space of time with music that has that old school timeless quality with the song writing and the musicianship to know how to craft a song it's great to know their all still doing music & are doing well.
Loved this video, Finn. Tremonti has been my “guitar hero” ever since I heard “My Own Prison” and “Torn”. I liked Creed when they came out, but it’s Alter Bridge where I feel like the band has really shined; though they haven’t had the success they did as Creed. I think that is unfortunate, and is a by product of the stigma that Creed had. I agree 1000% with how you closed this out. Well done.
This video seems very reasoned and objective. I appreciate you very much.
Great channel man love your take on things
Finn, I really appreciate how thoughtful and empathetic you are. You have a big platform and you preach nothing but positivity. You've probably helped a lot of people and that's awesome. 👍
Finn, this was a wonderful presentation!
Thank you!
Great video. Very thoughtful content and analysis.
Such a great video. Love it man
I remember thinking the Human Clay album art looking so cool as a kid.
Finally Punk Rock MBA talks about REAL punk rock
Creed is my Mom and Dad's favorite band. He got my Mom to like Creed because when they first met, he was listening to the My Own Prison album. He liked the band because he told me, about a year ago, that he used to talk to Scott while my dad was managing the Steak and Shake in Cleveland while Scott was attending Lee University.
Love how you present the facts with no bs.. I wish more people will do this more often . Keep them coming Finn
Tremonti’s Sinatra album is worth a look. My wife- a vocal teacher- was impressed and said he nailed it. Talented dude.
Another great video as always! Thank you so much for the ending bit where you address some of the unfair criticism. Especially the Christian band thing. As a musician who has played in several Christian bands, it's discouraging to see so many people immediately write a band off due to their lyrical content. I think we all listen to music that features lyrics that we don't always agree with, but most of us are open minded enough to enjoy it for what it is and roll with it, even if on occasion the lyrics don't line up with our personal beliefs. I think Stapp's lyrics were always more geared towards his personal struggles and how he found strength to endure, not forcing people to believe exactly what he believes. Again, great stuff. Thanks for all your hard work!
Great telling of the Creed story! Creed is, and will always be, one of the best rock bands in the music industry.
Great video especially the thoughtful and compassionate points towards the end