I agreed with almost everything you said but man 3 doors down and shinedown are great bands. They have plenty of songs with deep meaningful lyrics. Shinedown has a song called 45 about suicide. 3 doors down has a song called away from the sun about getting through depression.
@@dankhill2033 Almost, I consider Post-Grunge to be a subgenre of Butt Rock, but there are many Butt Rock bands that aren't Post-Grunge like Trapt, Godsmack, Skillet, Three Days Grace, FFDP etc.
One band that gets a lot of hate for not being “real grunge” is Stone Temple pilots and I don’t get it honestly. Their first album came out in 1992 which was only a year after some of the icon Grunge albums came out. Clearly they were working on it before Grunge blew up but if your gonna say “but they weren’t from Seattle” then fine I guess, that’s kind of petty and tribalist to me. The first two albums are fantastic and for me are just as big as the other iconic albums from the other four bands.
Agreed. Ive always rated Core and Purple just as legit and personal to me as Soundgarden's "Superunknown" or AIC' 'Dirt". They were out the same timeline and I got them all in the same time. Core mite have employed the same styles of AIC and Pearl Jam , but "Purple" was a totally different case. Its classic classic 90s rock. STP in general did a wonderful job in making each of their albums different from eachother. "Tiny Music...." had a sweet 60s pop rock, Stonesy vibe to it, which again was totally different to Purple.
Stone Temple Pilots is alternative rock (similar to Live or Collective Soul) AIC is sounds like glamrock (Guns and Roses-esque) Nirvana is punkish Soundgarden sound like similar to Metallica to me Thats just how I interpret them
Actually, STP's music has aged really well. I think their reputation truly improved over the years.They're widely considered one of the best bands of that era. I remember when they dropped the grunge-ish sound on Tiny Music and went for straight sleazy 70's glam rock. Scott Weiland wasn't a reluctant rock star, he wanted people's attention. The DeLeo brothers are great musicians, especially Dean DeLeo's bass playing. And Eric Kretz is a talented drummer and producer. They were a great band.
Grunge was essentially hearing the most painful vocals coming from people that did a lot of heroin, were really nice and funny in person, and also isolated themselves into depression as a side effect or intentionally to write the music that was getting them closer to they’re dreams. Grunge pumped out some masterpieces of tragedy and pain in very abstract ways at the cost of the singer inevitably overdosing or committing suicide.
This may sound ridiculous but nirvana and Alice In Chains made me wanna do heroin. They looked cool and it seemed edgy and cool to me, you may laugh but I’m just being honest. I was just a kid. I also blame dare program for making me curious about all drugs. Ever since I heard that people give themselves shots of this drug that makes them feel so good they don’t care that they live under a bridge, I had to know what it felt like. At 12 I knew I would try it someday. And now I’m 33 after 13 years of heroin and meth addiction 2 years clean trying to pick up the pieces of the trail of destruction I left behind. Trying to get myself out of this gigantic hole I dug for myself. Also when I say I blame dare or nirvana made me wanna try heroin, I obviously know it was nobody’s fault but my own. It’s common sense to know that you shouldn’t do heroin but curiosity killed the cat.
@@artvandelay48m glad you've got clean. I've never done heroin and never will but I can see how the music of those bands could have that influence even though they never said to do drugs. The vibe of that music is a bit self pitying. It makes it seem cool to be depressed etc Some people aren't influenced by music or hardly at all. Other people will be influenced in terms of their thinking and mood. I'm someone who will get affected. I'm at at age when I'll probably get much less affected than when I was younger (I'm 45 now) but the best advice is to be careful about what you put into your brain. That said I've been listening to a lot of grunge lately so I'm not too pedantic but the effect the music can have is something to weigh up for sure. Maybe its time for me to start listening to more positive music again 😊 Look after yourself.
Every time I see videos of Kurt Cobain, Chris Cornell, Layne Staley and Andrew Wood....they all come across as similar to the normal silly rocker guys I grew up with as a kid. Sometimes reserved, but often humorous and laid back. That's what makes the deaths all the more jarring.
I always found the classism in post grunge to be very interesting and ironic seeing where grunge came from. The grunge scene around Seattle weren’t hipster art school kids. They were relatively low class and yet, the privileged hipster art school crowd got a hold of them and made them popular. Now the lower class, red state rock festival crowd get no respect and the taste makers want nothing to do with them. Probably because a lot of them came from that crowd and left as soon as they could
some of you see a poor kid of a single parent wearing dark makeup and think they're born to wealth and then see the kid of a Jet-Ski store owner in a flatbrim and think they're working class.
@@alexxartificial We can dive deeper into that too. These kids were the rejects, the outcasts in their small towns. They were often treated as other for not fitting in so they found these communities where they could be themselves. First in music like grunge, diy punk or metalcore, and later in real life when they left their small towns for bigger things in places like New York or LA. So when those people who remind them of the ones who made them feel different or ostracized come in to their scenes or try to do something similar, they have an adverse reaction to it. It doesn’t make it right but when you ad that context, I kind of get it
I think the real issue is the genre was way overplayed on the radio stations in the 2000s. It wasn't always my cup of tea, but I really started disliking these bands when the local stations basically had them on repeat for years
That awkward moment when you like some of the bands on the thumbnail. At least some of those bands had some heaviness (well maybe not Nickleback). Now our local rock radio station (in Las Vegas it's KOMP) plays music that I wouldn't even call rock. Is this what's popular now days? I won't ever listen to it. It doesn't even have guitars. It's more techno than rock now days. So yeah, I liked some of those late 90's bands.
Yes, I am a huge grunge fan and I was just confused as to why these bands were so popular when they were pretty clearly inferior to the stuff that had come just before it: grunge music itself. Definitely not the worst genre of rock music by any means and there were far worse genres around at the time even but to me post-grunge is more like Diet Soda or Lite Beer. I know it's not anywhere near as good as the real thing. And I should also add that the second wave aka Creed and Nickelback are the ones that I am really talking about.
I remember walking into a room full of young ladies singing along to How You Remind Me at full blast, so I asked if they liked nickelback, which they replied "eeewww, no! Gross! "... and kept singing out loud.
Let me translate what happend there: they didn't want to engage in conversation,so they answer sarcasticaly since a very obvious question was asked and wanted to cut off conversation. It is childish, yes, but I have done that when i REALLY dislike that person.
Staind: I play like the 6-7 hit singles once a year, just for a change, think about family values tour, me in high school, and after 30min, back to reality, that's it.
Grunge and post grunge are just so different from each other, and they evoke different feelings. While post grunge can be corny, sometimes it just hits with my emotional state in a special way. The type of corny/cringe that post grunge emits is like if you are feeling something and don't know how to express it so you just shout out what you are feeling, and then people around you think you are weird and you regret it, but in that short period of time it hits hard.
Well said. You found a subject that's hard to describe, and yet you described it well. It's a weird subject - some post grunge is bad, but the good material in post grunge can be very good music.
I’m 22, dove into Alice In Chains about two years ago and think dirt is one of the most emotionally heavy albums I’ve ever heard and I love it. It feels genuine and really speaks too me
Damn bro, with years going by I realized how Self titled AIC album is much grimier and haunting while still maintaining the heaviness. All in all, Love em all
SIlverchair was a pretty special case imo. They released their first album when they were 15, clearly wearing their influences on their sleeves, and the songs were pretty good. Their second album got considerably heavier, but by the time their third album came out in 1999, they had truly grown into their own style. Their fourth and fifth albums just kept evolving their sound into something new, something truly artistic. All you'd have to do is listen to Israel's Son from their first album, and compare it to Across the Night on their fourth to understand just how far they evolved.
Most definitely! Frogstomp has a strange endearing quality. As you said, they were wearing their influences on their sleeves, Daniel Johns couldn't hold pitch if he had a velcro glove, and the production kind of has this self-conscious lofi quality to it, but the songs were definitely there. A lot of the subject matter was pretty deep, especially coming from a band that was literally so young. They really hit their stride with Neon Ballroom. I still remember Johns first coming out about going through anorexia. Back then, a celebrity putting them out there in such a vulnerable way like he did wasn't something that happened.
Silverchair definitely shouldn't be grouped in with these other post-grunge bands. Their sound changed drastically over the years, but each album was incredible in its own way. People are still passionate about them and much of their work still holds up well.
Creed wrote great songs and Tremonti is a beast on guitar. A lot of "cool" people decided Creed wasn't "cool" because they THOUGHT they were a Christian band and became too popular. But their music has stood up well over time.
First album was good, the arrangements and songwriting were interesting and authentic. The problem was the Higher era and thereafter… overproduced over-commercialized and highly formulaic music that sounded no different than all the other post-grunge bands. I didn’t have to hear the critics to let me dislike most of this genre, I made my own conclusions based solely on the poor/derivative songwriting
Tremonti’s guitar skills and Stapp’s lyrics aside, Creed just sounded like ass to my ears. Hearing that sound on the radio just made me want to blast Barenaked Ladies and Semisonic.
Creed wasn't cool because Scott Stapp was an abject douchebag proselytizing Christianity while not living Christian values. Their music is as horrible today as it ever was. And they were DEFINITELY a Christian band.
@Random Nonsense I don't think they are that bad tbh they aren't my favorites but they aren't terrible either personally I prefer Alter Bridge than Creed but Creed fit the late 90s and early 2000s scene well I don't think they aged well though because I can't imagine a similar vibe today
I stand by My Own Prison as a genuinely great album. But Human Clay saw Creed gravitating toward engineering songs for the radio rather than creating them, and it was obvious enough on Weathered that the public turned on the band. Also, Scott Stapp was increasingly a giant douche.
I really don't understand how someone can't respect Seether. I mean I've always felt that the lyrics to their songs were very solid. The radio stuff was good but wasn't the best they had to offer. A lot of the album tracks were bangers.
Amen bro I went through their early catalog and I really enjoyed Karma and Effect. Aside from the obvious songs written to be radio friendly there are some very very good songs like truth, don't leave me and plastic man. I'd say out of the post grunge scene they are one of the more solid and "hard working" bands togheter with Shinedown Of course I am not talking about stone temple pilots cause to consider them post grunge is heresy Idk what the fuck this guy is on about, they are up there with the seattle scene bands
Yeah, I love them. But songs like Gasoline and Country Song are both kinda lame. Which is fine, except for they seem to play mainly this old radio stuff live in concert, and they like to tour as openers for bands like Three Doors Down 😬 and at big rock festivals, which means if you want to see them, you’re overpaying for bands you don’t care to see. Which I’m doing next week when they open for Breaking Benjamin- who I can’t get into
3DG always felt closer to nu metal for me. Their stylings are closer to the metal realm, and in any prefab/commercial act it's the aesthetic that tells you where the marketing is targeted
Yeah there's no doubt about that Three Days Grace is mostly closer to Alternative Metal and Nu Metal, but off of One X I would say a good portion of their songs you could call Post Grunge.
one of adam sandler's defining bits on his snl years was him literally doing a cartoonish imitation of eddie vedder so scott stapp was on the same musical level as adam sandler but sandler did an acoustic performance with deftones so sandler has more music cred than stapp
It kills me that his Evenflow bit has never been on You Tube. I dunno why, but it's under lock and key for some reason? I saw it live on tv in early '92 and it was hilarious.
It irritates me to hear Silverchair compared unfavorably to Nirvana. I'll grant you that Daniel Johns and Co. were obviously fans (especially given where their name came from), but Silverchair showed more growth and evolution over their first 3 albums than Nirvana managed to. I'm just sayin'. Honestly, I realize that Nirvana was very important to that period, but honestly, I think they're overrated. On the other hand, Silverchair is very UNDERrated. Also, Finn, in what universe were STP considered post grunge instead of grunge? And Candlebox were absolutely hit with the grunge label, mainly because they were from Seattle.
@@metalboy5150 I could be wrong (probably am) but I thought they got their name from “Berlin Chair” a song by You Am I.. and also “Sliverfuck” a song by The Smashing Pumpkins and they combined it to make “Sliverchair”but the place they were playing at misspelt their name and they ended up as Silverchair? As I said I could be wrong but where did you hear the name came from? Relating with Nirvana?
@@davidmcdonald3780 I was given to understand that the "silver" part was an intentional corruption of "Sliver," by Nirvana. I don't really remember for sure where I read it, I *think* it was on the "Greatest Hits Vol. 1" liner notes. The "Berlin Chair" part you're right on about. Of course, as you said, I could be completely wrong about the Nirvana thing, and if so, all apologies. 😉
When it comes to Post-Grunge the first thing that comes to mind is Foo Fighters's first album. In my opinion Dave managed to capture that "post grunge" feel to perfection especially with the song " Exhausted" instrumentaly it still sounded "grungy" but the lyrics weren't dark and depressing. Grunge was in decline since 1993 and Kurt's death put a complete end to it it was time for something different and the Foos were the beginning.
Cuando pienso en post grungre, no pienso en Foo Fighters´s in that´s what I love about Dave after everything he didn´t do the same thing... he did somethind different
Hi Fin. I have to say - Stone Temple Pilots do not belong in that "post" bucket. Their best album was released in 1992. Now, the fact is they never got to be as big as the others and more importanly they were not a part of the scene, so even in 92' they have been called a poor people's Pearl Jam- but I cant think of them and say Creed as the same era, even. BTW the "real grunge" idea is so awesome.
Silverchair were 14 when Daniel wrote their first album and their sound evolved wildly over the years. It wasn't for me at the time, but listening back now I massively respect Daniel Johns' talent and enjoy the music. I'm from the same town as the band, and unfortunately will never have the op to see them live. I really hope Daniel can find some peace out of the spotlight.
Three days grace was one of my favorite bands when I was in high school, and I really liked the whole post grunge scene around that time. Now it’s more of a nostalgia thing for me, but I’ll always love it.
@The Coin Has A Say gotta agree with you there. Adam's voice, in my opinion is one of the best in rock. I had the opportunity to play with my band in Vancouver back in the early 2000's sharing the stage with 3DG, and Adam's singing live was so good. Pretty nice guys too. It's info they parted ways, but I'll always like that era of their band.
@The Coin Has A Say wtf Three Days Grace instrumentals go berserk in their first 2 albums. Definitely not generic, but Adam does have one of the best voices ever.
Same, I was really into TDG in high school. I still love the first three albums (especially the first one), Transit of Venus was pretty disappointing then Adam left and got replaced by Matt Walst, who I do not like.
Silverchair developed into one of the greatest songwriting bands true talents. They rose above and beyond the grunge stereotype and are far better than any of the ‘post grunge’ bands you mentioned here.
You criticise post-grunge for being posey, but honestly I felt like the original grunge aesthetic was a pose in itself. In the advertising industry, execs sometimes talk about "anti-marketing marketing". For me, that's what the grunge era mostly was. "Hey, look how authentic we are - we wear sickly green and brown sweaters our mums bought for us, don't wash our hair and don't bother to mix our music properly, 'cause we're REAL, man!" That's not to say I didn't like some of it ... but still. Posing as someone who's just too damn cool to give a shit is still posing. Either way, though, thanks for the video. It was an enjoyable watch 🙂
Silverchair is an amazing band, and the way they infused Orchestral elements into Neon Ballroom and Diorama was really pushing some interesting boundaries.
Silverchair definitely blossomed into their own unique and very awesome sound by the time of Diorama, but early on… well, the name ‘Nirvana In Pyjamas’ was kinda apt ;-)
I agree... They improved as they matured. Their first two albums are decent, but that was not their 'creative peak'. I think the lead singer (I forgot his name) references 'Coldsore Cream' in like 3 different songs.
Funny enough, I noticed that 3 Doors Down was coming to my hometown with Seether last summer. I knew some of their hits, and decided to give both bands a listen. I convinced my brother to check em out as well. We went to the show and took some friends with us. We all had a blast. We are 22 and 21 years old at the time of the concert, and in that moment of time we both became MASSIVE 3 Doors Down and Seether fans. I hope that can count for something lol
Go listen to bands like Type O Negative,Faith No More,Pantera,Megadeth,etc...,and u will hear and feel the difference .I'm not a hater,but there's just a level of depth that some bands from the early 90s reached that later bands were not able to.It's more than just a good time;it's majick.
I do listen to them regularly purely due to nostalgia and it's what I like, ignoring all the music elitist rhetoric. Both the bands you named are great bands, listen to what you like and ignore the trolls👍🏼
I saw Nickelback on their very first Canadian tour in my small city hometown in NW Alberta. Had a blast. Their debut silver side up is a certified BANGER!!! matchbox 20 was a good time too. Likely most of the metalheads who diss the bands mentioned in this video do not realize how good a time they are missing
I think there’s a huge nuanced distinction between what is really “post-grunge” (ie Bush, Silverchair, Live, etc.) and the bands that came after (ie Creed, Nickelback, Default, etc.), in which the latter aren’t really post-grunge at all but simply “modern alt rock” or the broader category “butt rock”. To call Creed and Nickelback “post-grunge” is an insult to the bands that really were post-grunge or grunge-adjacent. I also lump STP and Candlebox in with grunge because although they aren’t out of Seattle, they arose from the same period of time and were from the same general scene.
THIS. I’ve always considered bands like Bush, Silverchair and Live as post-grunge, because even lacking that original spark, they more or less share the same musical, lyrical and overall artistic sensibilities as the early 90’s Seattle bands. To me, Creed, Puddle of Mudd etc. fall squarely into the Butt Rock genre, that is, they are true spiritual descendents of 80’s vapid glam metal bands, even if they have copied some superficial aspects of their sound from grunge bands.
@@pekkapietikainen7348 I'd put Catherine Wheel and Ned's Atomic Dustbin in the "authentic post-grunge" category as well, even though they were British and simply riding the wave.
I know they weren't mentioned much in the vid but I have to come to bat for my boys in Seether because they 100% have the necessary grunge elements that set them way apart from Nickleback and Creed. A short read through Shaun Morgan's history shows that he absolutely doesn't share the superficialities of most of their peers and a lot of his material comes from exceptionally dark life experiences. I'm never going to say they were on the same level as Nirvana (who Shaun openly states he took influence from) but I think Seether took that and evolved it into something different. Even Broken is something Shaun treated as a catch 22 given that Evanescence was a large part of the reason for that songs success (written for his daughter, was never meant to be a love song). There was always going to be commercialised tracks given that record labels will do what they do to keep any modicum of success rolling. I think Seether are wildly underrated and I definitely count them amongst my greatest influences if for no other reason than the brutal honesty of the music, not to mention they were my gateway into Metal.
Seether is so good! For me they were a band that got me into rock music. It’s crazy to think we were singing those songs at a young age not really understanding what they were about
Seether definitely has music that veers all over the alternative scene for sure. Shaun is a damn good songwriter who has range (both vocally and lyrically). You have something like Fine Again, and then you have Dead And Gone which is like 85% him screaming.
I really like a lot of songs by them tbh, the only problem I’ve had with them is sometimes the radio plays their music WAAYYY too much. Like yes we get it Fake it is a good song but god damn play remedy or breakdown, but that’s not the band’s fault it’s just extremely overplayed.
@@wadecampbell6338 I love Remedy. I heard it when it was a new song back in the day, and I spent years trying to find it. I couldn't remember the name, but I remembered the melody for all those years, lol
I still love Seether to this day. They are one of the few bands in this space with a lot to say. A lot of their songs are about mental health/suicide and those types of things. Absolutely great band
definately. I really love Seether. Such a great band. In general I have to say that post grunge bands can sound pretty good. TDC and Seether really brought me into this music and they are both lyricwise and instrumentally very good. And I also think their lyrics are darker and generally about serious negative things.
Yeah, Seether is not my thing, but I respect them. They're legit. Even the worst genres have some highlights . . . even ska (just don't tell Finn, LOL)!
Agreed, Seether is one of my favorites of the post-grunge era. Shaun Morgan seems very cool and authentic too, and he's said before that he learned to play guitar by playing along to Nevermind
Seether absolutely rules and has yet to make bad music. If anything, they just keep getting better with age and experience. And they've been around 20 years and still making hits, so they gotta be doing something right.
When I was on tour in Russia, the biggest surprise was how much everyone I met loved Nickelback and had no idea they were considered such a joke in the west.
here in Brazil Nickleback is also beloved, or was to be fair, i actually enjoy their biggest hits around here, Photograph, How you remind me, shit even Rockstar is nice imo i feel all this hate is from people that is waay to much into being label a certain genre, i personaly dont care, never did, if the song is good i'll listen to it, but there is some like Creed that really is way to much to take seriously
Russia is not like Sweden or Holland where everyone understands English freely. 50 Cent is also super popular here but Jay Z is not. Its all about melody, not the lyrics.
@@JoinMeInDeathBaby thats absolutely true, i dont think i ever heard Kendrick Lamar playing around here but those lil whatever are everywhere, i never thought about it this way and it is absolutely true
Agreed. Music revolves and revolves and is suddenly critically hailed and as quickly and as suddenly debased by critics...it's a revolving series of genre's getting recognition over the course of time.
You can love it or hate it, but lots of Emo music was and continuously stayed popular. MCR is a perfect example of that. People just like to gate keep and base fake identities off shit. If you need an era of music to tell people who you are as a person with nothing else to hold it up, you just lack a real persona im my opinion. Some may even argue, a tool. Music is a blessing, I say play what you like and enjoy.
I was 16 when Nevermind, Dirt and Mother Love Bone came out. As a 16 year old in 1992, I latched on to the "dark" nature of grunge. It was fitting for my thoughts and feelings. By 2001 or 2002, I was sick of being depressed and high. I think this ethos is the main reason post-grunge was successful even to a fan of the grunge movement. I, as a lot of other people, were sick of feeling down all of the time and somewhat upbeat nature of the lyrics were a relief from years of negative, downer shit while maintaining some of the same qualities of the grunge sound. Now that I am 45 and don't let lyrics dictate my life, I find myself listening to 1992 more than I do 2002, but that's not to say I don't go back and forth. I feel like I'm probably not alone in this opinion.
Those 3 items you listed all came out at different times. However, you are correct in a roundabout way. They all recorded their debut albums pretty close to same time in 1989.
Yeah, in a way, Grunge killed itself, and it was always going to kill itself. I get that grunge as an influence was good for music, but in the long term 'post-grunge' (or IMO just regular hard rock with certain similar sound elements) is better. There may be a time and place for grunge, but it should never have dominated due to its inherent depressed nature.
I feel that post-grunge was successful because it took some of the elements that made grunge great and added some other elements that watered it down but were more accessible. I think the lightness or "happiness" element that was increased in post-grunge is one of them. Simultaneously, I think the genuinely greater heaviness or "darkness" of the original grunge was embraced so quickly because the mainstream music industry had just become oversaturated by all the super sappy, upbeat hair metal and new wave. People were just sick of it at that point, and this stuff that was never meant to be cool or mainstream came along and it was just so refreshing for people. Like so trends often go though, things swing back and forth, and timing is everything. If grunge had come out some years later or some years earlier, it probably would have been relegated back to some niche market and not be nearly as popular.
well written...I'm a year older than you so I get bro! GNR went from cool to lame and OFFSPRING, STP, PJ, SoundGarden, Helmet, Hole, Alice IC and NIRVANA were a breath of real air. I always say music died w/ Kurt. Not totally true, but close. TOOL is the only band from college to now that I can think of that's great.
@@ebythebeach guns roses released most of their hits in the grunge era. Use your ilusion 1 & 2 were two Double records at the time and it was realeased in 91 at the same time Grunge made it big. It didnt impact them at all, they were still huge in 91, 92,
One of the things I've learned traveling the country is that there's a lot of places where time moves a lot slower. Trends in music, fashion and entertainment in general often take time to reach certain areas. This is why a lot of these post grunge bands remain popular despite the fact that most of the music scene crowd moved on from it years ago. Honestly, if 3 doors down is still selling out shows in Biloxi or Toledo, good for them. There's always going to be a place for super generic butt rock .
As someone who just traveled across the country twice this is so true. I felt like I stepped in a time machine to 10-15 years ago in some places. It was like whiplash being from Philly, and then staying in LA, but seeing all these small towns inbetween
@@phaaaze9984 I'm from Minneapolis and my family always drove to our vacation(I went everywhere from Montana and Colorado for ski trips, to Boston, Flordia, New Orleans, and southern Texas). I have family that lived in Cincinnati and the adjacent Kentucky city. I quickly learned the United States is 2 completely different countries that move at 2 completely different speeds and mostly the cultures never intersect. You have major cities and the surrounding 40 miles, then EVERY OTHER SQUARE MILE of the united states.
I definitely agree. I moved from Philly to middle Georgia and lived there for about 5 years. When my wife and I first got there in 2012 there were still a significant amount of Blockbusters in the area. I couldn’t believe it haha
Upstate New York fits the bill, any place north of Exit 15 on the New York State Thruway is like slipping through a breach in the spacetime continuum. And that’s only 50 miles north of New York City. (shudder)
I was a freshman in high school when "Smells Like Teen Spirit" broke and Nirvana became one of my favorite bands overnight. I also liked and still like a lot of the post grunge bands. It's music. People spend way too much time worrying about what genre this band or that band is, that they just don't take the time to actually listen to the music. This is what a lot of people find out in their 40s. All of that music you were too cool / too good to listen to 20-30 years ago is actually pretty good once you give it an honest chance.
I don't buy it...listening to the music is HOW I determine that I do or don't like them. It came on the radio, I heard it, thought, "This sucks," and that was it...how hard am I supposed to listen to something to try and find something worthwhile in it?
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks creed and nickleback should play along with the joke they should tour together and call it the tell it to our face tour just the name of the tour would get a lot of press and i bet they would do good business
I'm 29 and when I was growing up, I was " too cool " to listen to Green Day, Blink 182, Fall Out Boy, or any Pop Punk bands. To me, CheVelle, Staind, Breaking Benjamin, Korn, Linkin Park, Crossfade, Blue October, Hinder, Three Days Grace, Puddle of Mudd, Seether, Papa Roach, etc.....anything Post Grunge was cool. Lol. But it wasn't really about the genre......it was about the way the music sounded. I wanted music that sounded the way I felt inside. Blink 182's music was too happy for me. I'll listen to them now though, at 29.
Yes, I'll say it. Creed saved my life. I was a troubled youth and in a juvenile detention facility when My Own Prison came out. Imagine being a young kid, locked up in a facility listening to My Own Prison on a crappy battery powered radio, while LITERALLY sitting in an actual prison, of my own making (due to behavior). It was impactful to say the least. Creed was the reason I learned to play guitar, and shaped the way I play. Creed probably impacted my life more than I can quantify. At 40, listening to My own Prison still hits me in a special way. D chords hit me in a different way. I get the hate, and realize I'm in a minority, but Creed will always be a special band to me.
The biggest thing about post-grunge is the record labels' single-minded pursuit of the "next Nirvana". They started signing every band that remotely sounded or looked like them and flooded the market with what we refer to now as post-grunge. Bands like Nickelback and 3 Doors Down have incredibly deep songs, thought provoking songs, and heart breaking songs. Songs that I would put up against anything in grunge with regard to emotional impact and/or societal commentary, but they were buried under the record labels who want more than anything, to make a return on their investment. That is why you get these polished, radio-ready singles like "How You Remind Me", "Someday", "Never Gonna Be Alone" from Nickelback and "When I'm Gone", "Here Without You" and "Let Me Go" by 3 Doors Down. Hidden in their discography are songs about fathers abandoning their families, being bullied, thoughts of suicide and more. I am not trying to refute any of the personality traits that were obviously different, the draw to celebrity status, and lack of social platform or political commentary certainly separated grunge from its aftermath. But like all good and pure things, the almighty dollar pursues, corrupts, mass produces, uses up, and eventually abandons said good and pure things. The hallmark of bands like Nickleback and 3 Doors Down and their longevity is their ability to play ball with the record labels. They produce their polished, panty-dropping singles and fill the rest of their record with their own music. That is why they are still around, and why they continue to draw audiences, listeners, and new fans.
This is how I see Nickelback tbh. They have the generic Top 40 Rock chart stuff, but then there's stuff like "Feed The Machine" and "Betrayal" (Act 1 and 3 since there is no 2), the latter of which sounds almost like a Metallica ballad-type thing (Betrayal part 1). Hell, "This Means War" is in Drop A if I recall, so it's pretty damn low.
I'm Aussie, so Silverchair is regarded as something of a "hometown hero" for a lot of people down here. I've always enjoyed them & I kind of enjoy the first Bush album as well. I'll hand in my internet music fan cred at the door.
Finn, I'm seeing a trend that needs to be addressed. Stone Temple Pilots album - Core came out in 1992. Less than a year after Nevermind. I'm wondering why I keep hearing people say that STP were just posers when they were right there in the beginning. Yes they were from CA, and Kurt was from WA, but that sound was traveling everywhere at that time. Just saying. I think the STP hate should stop.
I kind of think of STP as being the +1 of the big 4. They were big, and they were...grunge or at least grunge-adjacent, but they were also something else. They had a little bit of that sunset strip, post-hair metal, Whisky-A-Go-Go (but well past it's prime) kinda grime. They were the Hollywood Grunge. Authentically sleazed-out. Halfway between Nirvana and Skid Row. And one of my all-time favorite bands.
I think STP for me had a notably lighter tone in their song lyrics than the rest of the big 4. Soundgarden, Nirvana and AIC all had VERY dark lyrics and STP could match the heavy musicality at times but they often had catchier vocals as well as some super catchy music that was more accessible. slightly different vibe but a contemporary nonetheless
There was a trend on TikTok a little while ago where people made videos about it being cool to hate Nickelback, but they secretly love them and were basically “coming out” as fans. The awesome part was Nickelback themselves were actually commenting on the videos and offering them tickets to see them live. It came across as really endearing. Chad Kroger seems like a genuinely nice guy and though I won’t go around bragging about it, I’ll always be a Nickelback fan.
The hate was a bandwagon thing. Some only pretended to hate em just to follow the crowd. The same idiots probably listen to pop music. smh…. I’m not a fan, but I never got the excessive criticism.
I love post grudge because of artist like breaking Benjamin and Seether. I felt they brought something new and exciting to the table back in the 2000’s. They weren’t reinventing the wheel like nirvana sure, but if we’re being honest most bands out there aren’t either and they brought great song writing and really well performing sets. I think people hate on post-grudge because many artist in that era were making pop sounding Emoish music and trying to sell it as post-grunge when it’s more sad pop rock music. Nickelback isn’t bad when u look at it in a pop rock light but it’s terrible when you’re looking at it from a pure “rock” stand point
My Mom was really into Creed and she took me and my brother to a Creed laser light show. It was like an hour of "life and god are beautiful" imagery to butt-rock. 10/10
Loser by 3 doors down is incredibly underrated. I’m not a Post Grunge fan but Loser is really hard hitting. I remember my dad playing it while I was young and I liked it but now I’m in my 20’s and I can understand it a little better and it’s relatable because I was and maybe still am a loser. I was beat up in middle school and made fun of by people who said they were my friends and people who treat people like losers never change so even though I’m out of school and out of my hometown there’s still people out there who’ll treat me like a loser. So I’ll be the one guy in his early twenties who’s glad they rediscovered 3 doors down.
I remember when Creed was starting to break and watching the rockumentry on MTV. What I came to conclude with bands like Creed and Nickelback is this was the newest flavor of Arena Rock. I remember when people used to mock and make fun of the Arena Rock bands of the 70's like Boston, Journey, and Styx for example. Than the hair metal bands became the next flavor of Arena Rock which people of course decried. There are a lot of people who aren't angsty, they just want to have a good time, drink with their buddies and rock out. So Creed, Nickelback come along, and essentially become the next flavor of Arena Rock. None of the other waves of Arena Rock were doing anything ground breaking, it was just a place to have fun. You give it another ten fifteen years, you will have college students in bars singing along to "How You Remind Me" just like they sing along to "Don't Stop Believing" now.
I have been saying your last sentence for years. There’s a story from Toddintheshadows about hearing that Journey song and feeling embarrased that he liked it, because Journey was seen as “the worst band ever.”
I recall hearing all of this about the 70s arena rock bands as well. It's a good comparison- especially because these post grunge bands aren't all that visual, not to mention their deathless popularity in the Midwest.
Yeah right. Nickleback cant be compared to Journey. The guitarist and singer for Journey actually had talent instead of strumming a guitar with poor lyrics
The term post grunge is strange when a lot of people immediately dismiss anything other than Nirvana, AIC, Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden. Especially since all of these bands “styles” were all over the place.
That's the thing about grunge Nirvana diddnt sound like pearl jam who diddnt sound like Melvins who diddnt sound like dinosaur Jr. But the thing that ties them all together awesome riffs, like early incarnations of punk it was more a movement than a musical genre.
Three Days Grace, Breaking Benjamin, Fuel, Crossfade etc are good bands though. I don't understand the hate. The lyrics are emotional and something you can connect to and the guitar work is a great blend between heavy and melodic. I don't care what people think, it's probably my favourite and most listened genre (if I look at my streaming statistics and collection). Even the softer bands in the genre like Lifehouse and Switchfoot are nice. I think the hate comes from the fact that they sounded more gentle and easy to listen to compared to the original grunge scene, but I don't see that as a negative. I think they were just doing good music. Not everything has to be a huge cultural breakthrough with singers like Kurt Cobain who criticised society. A nice ballad or relatable rock song is good enough. Edit: More bands in this genre I love: Our Lady Peace, Chevelle, Seether, The Exies, Atomship, Smile Empty Soul, Staind, Future Leaders of the World, Finger Eleven (pre Paralyzer lol)
Crossfade were pure definition of aging bar band getting lucky, countless sound and name changes, and decided to take a stab at Post Grunge. That first record, is saved by the musicianship and tight songs, but boy were the lyrics cringe as fuck ("Disco" is like a sub-Saliva song)
I've always liked Staind and like two songs from Nickelback. I don't know if Seether counts but I love them. I don't think post-grunge is necessarily a bad genre.
Nickelback was at their beginnings really a grunge alternative band. Take albums like curb, or the state. Even silver side up has some good tracks beside how you remind me. After silver side up Nickelback became more and more mainstream and sounded in someway a bit like bon jovi. Nevertheless I think they are a great post grunge band because their style is unique. They dont cover the first grunge bands eg nirvana. Puddle of Mudd is a worse example of how bands try to imitate Kurt Cobain and Nirvana. At first the look and then the songs. Staind are okay Well they were huge influenced by alice in chains as well also moreover nickelback but both bands have their own unique style. They dont try to imitate other bands. A worse example of imitating nirvana nowadays is limp bizikit and fred durst. Why they do it ? From my point of view they have no ideas anymore of writing songs....
I’ve always thought Seether’s early albums (Disclaimer II and Karma & Effect) did a good job channeling a more true grunge spirit before their sound evolved into a more nickelback approach to the genre.
I don’t hear a nickelback approach in any of their music. Genuinely curious which songs/albums you are referring to? (Not picking a fight here… just wanna know! lol)
Never got into their albums, but they never put out a single I disliked, I also thought they stayed true to the grunge ethos, perhaps a bit poppy sounding later but still no where near cringe as say creed or nickleback
I loved Three Days Grace when I was in highschool and still listen from time to time for the nostalgia. I think a lot of us who liked this music, we were just too young to compare it to grunge. I was born in the 90s so I only started listening to Nirvana much later as an adult.
silverchair are actually much different from nirvana. while they certainly looked a lot like them, their first album frogstomp is actually far more reminiscent of pearl jam and soundgarden. their second album sounds a lot like helmet and yes, nirvana. but when their third album came out they reached a level of musical maturity. daniel johns is a truly gifted songwriter and musician, which became even more evident on their fourth album diorama, which could arguably be considered their best album. and daniel has gone on to do great solo work, his new album is phenomenonal, although not the post grunge of his previous work.
I still love Seether and Silverchair. I'm not ashamed. My parents listened to most of these bands late 90s, early 2000s, so I'm pretty nostalgic for the most part.
Shinedown, Breaking Benjamin and 3 Days Grace is what I listen to daily. 29 years old and still love these band and liked a few of the new songs 3 Days Grace and Shinedown dropped recently
I would consider Staind to be nu-metal with grunge influences, they were first and foremost a nu-metal band culturally that later evolved to be more of a post grunge act.
I understand why this particular genre gets hate but at the same time, I feel like this genre was the entry point to discovering the better bands so it has its musical importance.
So true, most people's first exposure to heavier music was through those bands being played on the radio stations. Definitely a gateway to the darker stuff that you won't ever hear about in the mainstream unless you know where and what to look for.
See I was born into (and literally because of) metal and I have heavy as shit parents so my “entry” bands were actually relatively heavy so I automatically couldn’t stand most of these bands Of course I got much heavier but still
When talking about genres, people forget that “worst genre” is closer to “least good genre”. Unless a genre is a very specific and small, most genres have good and bad bands in them
The same goes to nu metal...Young kids in our childhood time all started with nu metal and stuff like that.Bizkit and Linkin Park were the hottest shit then...and through them we discovered better and better music...
Silverchair had an edgy thing going on in their sound because they sounded like if they wanted to be a bit more heavy metal than grunge (at least in their first album, which I love). They were super young too, so their sound was quite fresh despite the comparison to grunge. Maybe they listened to more Bleach than Nevermind.
Come on Finn. I mean Scott Weiland sounded similar to Eddy Vedder on STP’s first album but the music was completely different. They ended up being a great and diverse band. It’s about as annoying as when people still say Muse is a Radiohead knock off.
I had the same issue with STP on that first release; yes the music was different but I couldn't get past the vocals. That being said; Scott's voice, style and writing evolved with each subsequent release as did the music itself and became a huge fan. One of the greatest front man of all time. As there talent evolved with each release, I watched Pearl Jam devolve into the Eddie Vedder leading me to permanently jump ship after Binaural.
What most people dont know is that stp were together since 86 before PJ got together in 90 and there was only one year apart between their debut albums, so maybe it was Eddy who sounded more like Weiland .
I don’t think post - grunge wasn’t that bad. It felt like the hate was equivalent to what nu metal had when it comes to hate: it was everywhere and their were bad/mediocre bands that outshined the good.
Staind was an amazing band. Their first album is legit. I’m happy I got to see them live. I also enjoy Seether. Breaking Benjamin was also a great band and I love their drummer as a drummer myself.
breaking ben was cool til ben lost his shit and fired the band. they are cheesy as shit now. so is the the new drummer, he got mad at me on here cause i mentioned how rough his timing was. weak. jeremy and chad were aces.
Saw Staind live. Was really good. Not the best. Not the worst. Bought 1 of thier CD. I actually unironically liked CREEDS my own prison. They went off the rails after that.
Post-grunge was the poppier, more general-audience-friendly version of the grunge sound. It played on "all the hits" type radio stations, rather than exclusively rock stations. It was the equivalent of the "scene" bands that popped up in the late 2000s and early 2010s after the first wave of emo and metalcore proved popular-ish. It was basically what the major studio labels wanted: the same sound, but with more accessible lyrics and better looking band members.
Always liked this genre lol, 100% get why it's so universally hated but in my opinion, there's something about it that just... works. Whether it be some great hooks, killer guitar riffs, tasty rhythm sections or vocalists that I find to be genuinely good or passionate, I feel like there's a lot of good hidden in the genre as a whole.
Ya it wasn't terrible till every band started sounding exactly the same. But there's a few diamonds in the rough. I still enjoy bands like Breaking Benjamin, Seether and a couple others every once in a while. I saw puddle of Mudd and the front man was so effed up that he couldn't sing the lyrics and the guitar player ended up singing everything. And for that I've always hated them. Everyone was booing them
I think the genre would have a better reputation if it had a different name. When calling it “post-grunge”, right away people are immediately comparing the music to grunge bands instead of listening to it for what the music is and if it doesn’t live up to the standards then people see it as a failure
Aesthetic in fashion can be a major selling point. look at bands like Kiss, slipknot or even something like Mumford and sons. Your dress should reflect your bands persona, because it will affect your success
Well the grunge/alternative bands wore jeans and tshirts out of thrift shops and had art kid fashion sense to make it look aesthetically pleasing. post-grunge and butt rock bands wear t’s and jeans that were expensive and fitted and either garishly or blandly designed with no artistry. Just like the music.
Love how hard that hits shortly after 8:24 in their song: "And I've been wrong. I've been down, to the bottom of every bottle!". Im 34 and this era holds a special place. I appreciate Nickleback, Everclear, Staind, etc.
This was fair. I'm glad you didn't rip into STP. I don't care if they were grunge or not, they had amazing musicianship and great lyrics. Just a damn good band.
Staind's first couple albums were phenomenal, and Mike Mushok is one of the most underrated guitarists of his generation. But they fell off quickly... I don't remember what album it was, but it came with a "making of" DVD. The band was giving the drummer so much flak (rightfully so) for not being able to even keep a tempo anymore. And seeing how Aaron's career has become... I think they just didn't really care anymore. Be it burn out or ego or whatever, their hearts didn't seem to be in it, and it definitely showed in their music. And it's a shame because their first 2 albums are genuine classics.
I have 3 CDs by them and I'm about to see them live in concert. I love post grunge cause it's good for road trips, quite a few Patriotism in there and some country riffs too. Post Grunge is my number 1 favorite genre of all.
Silver chair is really good. It's a shame they split up. Their music kind of morphed the older they got but in a cool way. I enjoyed their first 2 albums even back then. But the stuff they did after that was always cool to see how they changed up as they got older.
I'm digging the love for Creed I'm seeing in the comments. Lol I became a fan in 2012 and people fucking hated them for what seems like forever. I even met Stapp thru a radio contest and the dude was beyond kind.
I grew up in the nineties in the Boston area and I don't remember Bush or STP getting hate at all. Bush was one of my favorite bands of the decade... Sixteen Stone is a rock classic. And I'll never forget Gavin Rossdale playing Glycerine solo in the rain at MTV Spring Break. One of the greatest performances in MTV history.
Yeah I don’t remember that either. Maybe Bush some because dudes thought Gavin was a pretty boy. ;) I didn’t like STP so much but I was the only one I remember who felt that way. I just didn’t like his voice that much. Little did I know that the post grunge folks would come around to do it even worse than he did!!! Now looking back STP was not that bad comparatively speaking!!!
5:55 Thank you for shouting out Silverchair, they are sooo underrated. Most people heard their grungy stuff and moved on but their later albums have some amazing stuff.
The only post grunge band I like is Fuel. Yeah they had a more produced made-for-radio sound than grunge, but they were good. They weren’t corny, they weren’t gimmicky, they also continued the dress down style of grunge, and while their sound was more radioized than grunge bands, it still sounded more rudimentary and raw than most post grunge bands. Sunburn, Innocent, and Hemorrhage are amazing songs
Ummm….”frogstomp” by silverchair definitely fit in with the grunge scene. But beyond that album, you’re right, silverchair wasn’t real grunge. Especially “neon ballroom” and beyond. In fact, I dare say that they were too good for the grunge scene. Daniel John’s is one of the best songwriters (criminally underrated to be honest) of my generation. I love them. Top 5 to me. Way too good for grunge. Lol. Same thing with bush too. Sixteen stone fits with grunge….-ish. But razorblade suitcase and beyond did not. Some of your examples are bands that just caught the tail end of grunge and went on to sonically change after their first albums. And I love sixteen stone and razorblade suitcase by bush, but beyond that, they were terrible. Razorblade was their last good album. (Another criminally underrated piece of music). Also also: how did three doors down going triple platinum surprise you? You don’t remember the year “Superman” was played NON STOP on the radio and mtv? God, I hated them and nickelback. Lol.
Man, the first two bush albums are fucking incredible and the live performances are even better. Kinda surprised how often he mentions them in the same breath as creed
@@Eduard000F"butt rock is corny", is just a cringe circlejerk take in the music community. Music is subjective and many can say the same shit of your favorite genres.
That McDonald's comparison is spot on. And the early albums of some of those bands were actually really good. Then like with most trends, the industry took hold and capitalized and ran it into the ground.
Couldn’t disagree more. Everyone I know that is my age (41) loves looking back on this post grunge era fondly. Bush still gets played regularly around my parts. To each their own but it’s hard to say “nobody respects this era” and “they still gets hundreds of thousands of plays a month” in the same thesis.
@@rylandduffield5419 yet they have hit after hit after hit.. machinehead, glycerine, chemicals between us, comedown, swallowed, little things, mouth, cold contagious, greedy fly, warm machine, letting the cables sleep.. the list goes on..
The only band from the "Post-grunge" scene that's got consistent and notable respect from both listeners and critics that I can think of is Breaking Benjamin. Probably, because they go against the grain most of the examples given in the video. They were regular guys from Scranton in the beginning, the first record was pretty dirty and raw for the style, they got heavier and switched things up with new music as time went on, and they didn't sing about getting bitches and parties - Ben's lyrics are actually pretty dark, and well written (for the most part) with songs about alcohol addiction, depression, and poor relationships among other things. Call me biased, because I'm also from that area and I've been listening to them basically my whole life. But, I really think they're the biggest outlier.
Define consistent and notable respect, because ive seen critics that really dont care for Breaking Benjamin..... But regardless, they sell out stadiums. The same goes for Staind, Godsmack, and other post grunge bands. Finn can hate all he wants but these bands sell big. They write songs that people can relate to and sing along with.... Its strange how he can praise an artist like Cardi B but cant do it with post grunge music.
What about the Foo Fighters? They are more famous the Breaking Benjamin and hell I think even more loved by fans and critics. No one hates Dave Grohl. I know to some people its debateble that they might be even Post Grunge, but they get clamped into that genre per se. I find it interesting that they were not in the video.
@@alexmarenco2399 that'd be the one, I agree. But like you said, they aren't usually associated with Post-Grunge. For good reason imo, their music doesn't sound much like that. The early stuff is more *real* grunge and punk sounding, and the new stuff is basic big radio rock.
Seether and Alice In Chains are two of my favorite bands ever. I’ve seen them both live, and they’re both very good. You could also make an argument that Godsmack is a Post-Grunge band too. They took their name directly from the Alice In Chains song of the same name, and if you listen to their music, they’re very much influenced by AiC. I would say Godsmack (at least on their early albums) were a metallic Post-Grunge band.
Seether is amazing. Disclaimer II karma and effect, FBINS are awesome albums. If you haven't heard their most recent 'si vis pacem para bellum' it's badass. One of their heaviest ones yet.
No matter what anyone says, Seether is amazing!!! Fine Again is incredible. Great video, love what you cover. Glad you brought up Black Sabbath as being an influence to Grunge, I always thought AIC sounded very similar and drew inspiration. I love Dirt, fav grunge album.
Fine Again is a staple in my playlist. So good, and Remedy goes so hard! Them and Three Days Grace are so good and idk why Finn doesn’t give them their credit.
Still love the grunge era and those bands were my go to in my high school days. Pearl Jam's Ten and Alice In Chains Dirt, are 2 of my fav albums from that era. We also were treated to MTV Unplugged back then. I'm remembering bands back in the late 90's/early 2000's, like Finger Eleven, Submersed, Flaw, Cold, Crossfade, Linkin Park, Trapt, Trust Company, Saliva, among others. Still some great music.
While it may be easy for an international audience to dismiss Silverchair as just another post grunge band the story is very different. I think Finn should do one of his 'interesting histories of' videos for them because they're pretty amazing. Starting of as just 15 year olds selling millions of records worldwide with frogstomp to the alt metal masterpiece of neon ballroom to the orchestral soundtrack-like quality of diorama and the art-pop of Young modern. Silverchair are a generation defining band for Australian Gen X/y-ers and are definitely worth looking into for anyone that dismissed them as a nirvana clone.
I'm working on one of those for Silverchair right now actually! They're legacy is more like STP's in that they really evolved and grew into something completely different from where they started.
Yeah I definitely don’t agree with silverchair being lumped into this group. But I see Silverchair entirely differently since I moved from the Us to Australia 6 years ago. In the US they just never got the recognition they deserved. Very under rated.
I’d say that Silverchair somehow moved from Grunge to Post Grunge. Their first few albums were 100% Grunge then they brought out Straight Lines and it was just a completely different band for me.
They were so good in their own right. I had the biggest crush on Daniel Johns back in the day and loved how they evolved their sound. Neon Ballroom is still one of my all time fave albums and it’s deeply personal. They had something to say … they’re not a superficial band at all.
I've always kinda felt that Chevelle is probably the closest that Post Grunge has ever gotten to bringing the same emotional impact that Grunge had. Chevelle are kinda unique in that they weren't necessarily influenced by Grunge as much as they were influenced by a lot of Alt Metal coming out of the early 90's like Helmet and Tool, but as i said before they probably are the closest the genre has ever gotten to sounding like a band that was influenced by the OG Grunge bands of the 90's with some heavier elements thrown in. If the entire Genre followed in the footsteps of Chevelle than i'd be completely on board.
@@GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead2000 it seems like they were kind of all over the place in terms of musical influences, but the best part is that no matter what influence they draw from it's still Chevelle through and through.
I saw Staind in the thumbnail but noticed you didn't mention them. I think they are one of the better post-grunge bands, and in fact, I'd argue that the albums Dysfunction and Break the Cycle are certified bangers
I think break the cycle has very well written and interesting stuff and it's a pretty consistent record throughout, only complaint I have are the lyrics, Aaron Lewis is an excellent singer but the lyrics are way too corny
I was in South Africa recently and found out Seether are still pretty big there, and a lot of these bands still get a lot of radio play. Also I had no idea that "post grunge" was a genre, so this was fascinating.
Yeah, I don’t know that I’ve heard that term before this. My own personal label for Puddle of Mudd, Days of the New, Creed etc. was “Yeah bands” for how often a lot of them said “yeah” in what would later be called a yarling style.
I like both genres, they give you different vibes for different moods, which is the beauty of music. What’s more annoying than any single genre is the tribalism in which people (many who can’t play a f’in note) shit on other people’s art and imply you gotta like the right bands to pass their “cool test.” Tastemakers lol. They should be called “people who can’t make their own music”
So whack to shit on someone else's music tastes. It's like someone telling you they like a certain type of food and you just say "ew" and proceed to shit on it and anyone who likes it for 20 years.
Days of the New needs more recognition , they brought something different to the post grunge scene , that real feeling that grunge had with a different acoustic vibe from all of it, no cliche images or lyrics
“these post-grunge bands were clearly doing something right.” Yeah, making good music. Just because they didn’t write the angst-ridden naval gazing lyrics that the OG grunge bands did, it doesn’t mean their music was bad.
Punk Rock fans never actually grow up dude. Everyone of them I've met are annoying before I even find out they like Punk Rock. I'd literally never listen to anything someone that listens to Punk Rock says.
I feel like one of the few Post-Grunge bands that genuinely deserves respects and holds up to this day is Days Of The New. If anything, just because they kinda paved the way for the genre with that amazing first album.
I will say even though I went through a metal phase in my teens I remember growing up listening to bands like Nickelback and Three Doors Down , I actually remember watching the all star home run thing when Three Doors Down played and I remember loving them. I literally remember breaking my moms Creed cd because I played it so much but I also love Nirvana . I think bands like Shinedown , Nickelback and Three Days Grace and others bring me back to better days
I was 18 when Nevermind 1st hit the air waves. I remember thinking wow, the impact of The Beatles could never be replicated but here we are. It felt like the 90's was my 60's. If anything Grunge served as a good template for future rock bands to emulate, giving fans some great songs over the last 30 years. Trouble is you can love the songs but not the bands, I love some Creed stuff or Puddle Of Mud but I don't look up to the artists like I did with Kurt, Vedder or even Freddie Mercury or John Lennon. That's the problem with post Grunge, you can love the music but the artists suck.
For me I still return to Freak show and Neon ballroom once every now and then after 25 years. I was a fan ever since I heard Tomorrow for the first time in -95 and for me they will for ever feel geniune unlike some of the other bands which I had a hard time connecting with growing up.
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Is Post-Grunge the same as But Rock?
I agreed with almost everything you said but man 3 doors down and shinedown are great bands. They have plenty of songs with deep meaningful lyrics. Shinedown has a song called 45 about suicide. 3 doors down has a song called away from the sun about getting through depression.
I suggest to make somenthing about this Netflix "Metal lords" movie, where you had a death metal band without death metal...
@@dankhill2033 Almost, I consider Post-Grunge to be a subgenre of Butt Rock, but there are many Butt Rock bands that aren't Post-Grunge like Trapt, Godsmack, Skillet, Three Days Grace, FFDP etc.
You should make a video on the genre goregrind I think it would be very interesting and great to hear what you say about it.
One band that gets a lot of hate for not being “real grunge” is Stone Temple pilots and I don’t get it honestly. Their first album came out in 1992 which was only a year after some of the icon Grunge albums came out. Clearly they were working on it before Grunge blew up but if your gonna say “but they weren’t from Seattle” then fine I guess, that’s kind of petty and tribalist to me. The first two albums are fantastic and for me are just as big as the other iconic albums from the other four bands.
I wouldn't put STP in the post-grunge label. They're straight up alt rock.
Agreed. Ive always rated Core and Purple just as legit and personal to me as Soundgarden's "Superunknown" or AIC' 'Dirt". They were out the same timeline and I got them all in the same time. Core mite have employed the same styles of AIC and Pearl Jam , but "Purple" was a totally different case. Its classic classic 90s rock. STP in general did a wonderful job in making each of their albums different from eachother. "Tiny Music...." had a sweet 60s pop rock, Stonesy vibe to it, which again was totally different to Purple.
Stone Temple Pilots is alternative rock (similar to Live or Collective Soul)
AIC is sounds like glamrock (Guns and Roses-esque)
Nirvana is punkish
Soundgarden sound like similar to Metallica to me
Thats just how I interpret them
I hate the label "post grunge". Your either grunge or nu metal or both what is it??
Actually, STP's music has aged really well. I think their reputation truly improved over the years.They're widely considered one of the best bands of that era. I remember when they dropped the grunge-ish sound on Tiny Music and went for straight sleazy 70's glam rock. Scott Weiland wasn't a reluctant rock star, he wanted people's attention. The DeLeo brothers are great musicians, especially Dean DeLeo's bass playing. And Eric Kretz is a talented drummer and producer. They were a great band.
Grunge was essentially hearing the most painful vocals coming from people that did a lot of heroin, were really nice and funny in person, and also isolated themselves into depression as a side effect or intentionally to write the music that was getting them closer to they’re dreams. Grunge pumped out some masterpieces of tragedy and pain in very abstract ways at the cost of the singer inevitably overdosing or committing suicide.
This may sound ridiculous but nirvana and Alice In Chains made me wanna do heroin. They looked cool and it seemed edgy and cool to me, you may laugh but I’m just being honest. I was just a kid. I also blame dare program for making me curious about all drugs. Ever since I heard that people give themselves shots of this drug that makes them feel so good they don’t care that they live under a bridge, I had to know what it felt like. At 12 I knew I would try it someday. And now I’m 33 after 13 years of heroin and meth addiction 2 years clean trying to pick up the pieces of the trail of destruction I left behind. Trying to get myself out of this gigantic hole I dug for myself. Also when I say I blame dare or nirvana made me wanna try heroin, I obviously know it was nobody’s fault but my own. It’s common sense to know that you shouldn’t do heroin but curiosity killed the cat.
@@artvandelay48m glad you've got clean. I've never done heroin and never will but I can see how the music of those bands could have that influence even though they never said to do drugs. The vibe of that music is a bit self pitying. It makes it seem cool to be depressed etc Some people aren't influenced by music or hardly at all. Other people will be influenced in terms of their thinking and mood. I'm someone who will get affected. I'm at at age when I'll probably get much less affected than when I was younger (I'm 45 now) but the best advice is to be careful about what you put into your brain. That said I've been listening to a lot of grunge lately so I'm not too pedantic but the effect the music can have is something to weigh up for sure. Maybe its time for me to start listening to more positive music again 😊 Look after yourself.
Except for Eddie Vedder. He seems to be the sole surviving major grunge frontman.
@@RandomNonsense1985 that’s very true, Eddie is a pretty grounded guy. Wish the others found that inner hippy.
Every time I see videos of Kurt Cobain, Chris Cornell, Layne Staley and Andrew Wood....they all come across as similar to the normal silly rocker guys I grew up with as a kid. Sometimes reserved, but often humorous and laid back. That's what makes the deaths all the more jarring.
I always found the classism in post grunge to be very interesting and ironic seeing where grunge came from. The grunge scene around Seattle weren’t hipster art school kids. They were relatively low class and yet, the privileged hipster art school crowd got a hold of them and made them popular. Now the lower class, red state rock festival crowd get no respect and the taste makers want nothing to do with them. Probably because a lot of them came from that crowd and left as soon as they could
Well said
some of you see a poor kid of a single parent wearing dark makeup and think they're born to wealth and then see the kid of a Jet-Ski store owner in a flatbrim and think they're working class.
it's weird because the fans of post grunge are poor to middle class folks and the rich art school kids are listening to obscure indie bands.
“Probably because a lot of them came from that crowd and left as soon as they could.” Yeah lol, understatement probably
@@alexxartificial We can dive deeper into that too. These kids were the rejects, the outcasts in their small towns. They were often treated as other for not fitting in so they found these communities where they could be themselves. First in music like grunge, diy punk or metalcore, and later in real life when they left their small towns for bigger things in places like New York or LA. So when those people who remind them of the ones who made them feel different or ostracized come in to their scenes or try to do something similar, they have an adverse reaction to it.
It doesn’t make it right but when you ad that context, I kind of get it
Saying 'I hope you wear deodorant' is a very post-grunge thing to say.
But it smells like teen spirit
I think the real issue is the genre was way overplayed on the radio stations in the 2000s. It wasn't always my cup of tea, but I really started disliking these bands when the local stations basically had them on repeat for years
Same
Couldn't agree more
The fact I started listening to rock and metal in 2018 and noticed this immediately says something lol
That awkward moment when you like some of the bands on the thumbnail. At least some of those bands had some heaviness (well maybe not Nickleback). Now our local rock radio station (in Las Vegas it's KOMP) plays music that I wouldn't even call rock. Is this what's popular now days? I won't ever listen to it. It doesn't even have guitars. It's more techno than rock now days. So yeah, I liked some of those late 90's bands.
Yes, I am a huge grunge fan and I was just confused as to why these bands were so popular when they were pretty clearly inferior to the stuff that had come just before it: grunge music itself. Definitely not the worst genre of rock music by any means and there were far worse genres around at the time even but to me post-grunge is more like Diet Soda or Lite Beer. I know it's not anywhere near as good as the real thing. And I should also add that the second wave aka Creed and Nickelback are the ones that I am really talking about.
I remember walking into a room full of young ladies singing along to How You Remind Me at full blast, so I asked if they liked nickelback, which they replied "eeewww, no! Gross! "... and kept singing out loud.
Ehhh 🤷♂️
Should’ve taken a Photograph.
Alright I’ll see myself out…
😆 Self-awareness is not a universal quality, sir.
Let me translate what happend there: they didn't want to engage in conversation,so they answer sarcasticaly since a very obvious question was asked and wanted to cut off conversation. It is childish, yes, but I have done that when i REALLY dislike that person.
@@CalitmeDiondell trust me, they did NOT, dislike me. They legitimately didn't know they were singing nickelback.
“You know it’s kinda crappy, but sometimes it’s just what you want” is the perfect way of describing my relationship with this genre
Staind: I play like the 6-7 hit singles once a year, just for a change, think about family values tour, me in high school, and after 30min, back to reality, that's it.
@@cristodimarti201 this is me with lifehouse
I like early Days of the New stuff. It's like a goofy Kentucky Alice In Chains Jr., but it scratches the itch.
@@cristodimarti201 Staind's unplugged is pretty good, I think they are at their best when the go quieter like with their single "It's Been Awhile"
This genre is like the 18 rack of light beer.
Grunge and post grunge are just so different from each other, and they evoke different feelings. While post grunge can be corny, sometimes it just hits with my emotional state in a special way. The type of corny/cringe that post grunge emits is like if you are feeling something and don't know how to express it so you just shout out what you are feeling, and then people around you think you are weird and you regret it, but in that short period of time it hits hard.
Well said. You found a subject that's hard to describe, and yet you described it well. It's a weird subject - some post grunge is bad, but the good material in post grunge can be very good music.
Yup this is me with kryptonite lol
Agree
I’m 22, dove into Alice In Chains about two years ago and think dirt is one of the most emotionally heavy albums I’ve ever heard and I love it. It feels genuine and really speaks too me
I agree with you and there's lots more in their catalogue. Great to see them still being discovered.
AIC is just plain awesome.
Damn bro, with years going by I realized how Self titled AIC album is much grimier and haunting while still maintaining the heaviness. All in all, Love em all
@@FairFetzky yeah that album has a neat sound, I love sludge factory
AiC is my favorite band, and Dirt is probably still my favorite album.
Post grunge songs actually helped me to discover further in the rock and metal scene and eventually landed me in grunge.
I got into Black Metal because I saw a kid with an Emperor Back-Patch at a HC Show.
I always thought grunge and post grunge was crap. Nirvana was good though.
I feel the same. I listened to Creed, but later got into all kind of rock. I still don't think some of those bands are as terrible as people say.
so it got you no where. Grunge sucks
Early post-grunge wasn't bad anything after silver chair was just over rated.
SIlverchair was a pretty special case imo. They released their first album when they were 15, clearly wearing their influences on their sleeves, and the songs were pretty good. Their second album got considerably heavier, but by the time their third album came out in 1999, they had truly grown into their own style. Their fourth and fifth albums just kept evolving their sound into something new, something truly artistic. All you'd have to do is listen to Israel's Son from their first album, and compare it to Across the Night on their fourth to understand just how far they evolved.
I love frogstomp. The fanatic frogstomp, freakshow and neon ballroom.. and thennn?? They're break death.
Most definitely! Frogstomp has a strange endearing quality. As you said, they were wearing their influences on their sleeves, Daniel Johns couldn't hold pitch if he had a velcro glove, and the production kind of has this self-conscious lofi quality to it, but the songs were definitely there. A lot of the subject matter was pretty deep, especially coming from a band that was literally so young. They really hit their stride with Neon Ballroom.
I still remember Johns first coming out about going through anorexia. Back then, a celebrity putting them out there in such a vulnerable way like he did wasn't something that happened.
I love Frogstomp. I think it’s a great album, it’s one that I still listen to a lot. Pretty impressive given how young they were.
Silverchair definitely shouldn't be grouped in with these other post-grunge bands. Their sound changed drastically over the years, but each album was incredible in its own way. People are still passionate about them and much of their work still holds up well.
@@voltron88888 For sure. When I think Silverchair, I think of Neon Ballroom and Diorama first and foremost
I love Post Grunge and am not afraid to admit it. I proudly play Nickelback, 3 Doors Down, Breaking Benjamin etc. in my car.
Honesty, I didn't know even post grunge was the most hated genre till now
I thought BB was alt metal, same with seether
Breaking Benjamin was amazing live
Same. Creed is good too
Same but I do respect his opinions on the genre
Creed wrote great songs and Tremonti is a beast on guitar. A lot of "cool" people decided Creed wasn't "cool" because they THOUGHT they were a Christian band and became too popular. But their music has stood up well over time.
First album was good, the arrangements and songwriting were interesting and authentic. The problem was the Higher era and thereafter… overproduced over-commercialized and highly formulaic music that sounded no different than all the other post-grunge bands. I didn’t have to hear the critics to let me dislike most of this genre, I made my own conclusions based solely on the poor/derivative songwriting
Tremonti’s guitar skills and Stapp’s lyrics aside, Creed just sounded like ass to my ears. Hearing that sound on the radio just made me want to blast Barenaked Ladies and Semisonic.
Creed wasn't cool because Scott Stapp was an abject douchebag proselytizing Christianity while not living Christian values. Their music is as horrible today as it ever was. And they were DEFINITELY a Christian band.
@Random Nonsense I don't think they are that bad tbh they aren't my favorites but they aren't terrible either personally I prefer Alter Bridge than Creed but Creed fit the late 90s and early 2000s scene well I don't think they aged well though because I can't imagine a similar vibe today
I stand by My Own Prison as a genuinely great album. But Human Clay saw Creed gravitating toward engineering songs for the radio rather than creating them, and it was obvious enough on Weathered that the public turned on the band. Also, Scott Stapp was increasingly a giant douche.
Silverchairs frogstomp is a freaking masterpiece for its time.
Some of those songs border on metal like Israel's Song.
@@whenfatkillsfat803 madman aswell leave me out
@@whenfatkillsfat803 gives me early Metallica vibes
All silverchair is superior
@@numetal4all818 facts bro they’re highly underrated and people write them off because they were teens which is even more impressive
I really don't understand how someone can't respect Seether. I mean I've always felt that the lyrics to their songs were very solid. The radio stuff was good but wasn't the best they had to offer. A lot of the album tracks were bangers.
They do so many Nirvana covers too, so mentioning them here is somewhat Ironic.
Fine Again is a really great song.
Amen bro
I went through their early catalog and I really enjoyed Karma and Effect. Aside from the obvious songs written to be radio friendly there are some very very good songs like truth, don't leave me and plastic man. I'd say out of the post grunge scene they are one of the more solid and "hard working" bands togheter with Shinedown
Of course I am not talking about stone temple pilots cause to consider them post grunge is heresy Idk what the fuck this guy is on about, they are up there with the seattle scene bands
@@Sheepmansheep that'd such a weird way to go about things they should be judged by their own merrits.
Yeah, I love them. But songs like Gasoline and Country Song are both kinda lame. Which is fine, except for they seem to play mainly this old radio stuff live in concert, and they like to tour as openers for bands like Three Doors Down 😬 and at big rock festivals, which means if you want to see them, you’re overpaying for bands you don’t care to see. Which I’m doing next week when they open for Breaking Benjamin- who I can’t get into
3DG always felt closer to nu metal for me. Their stylings are closer to the metal realm, and in any prefab/commercial act it's the aesthetic that tells you where the marketing is targeted
same with breaking benjamin imo
@@christianb1707BB and 3DG are the best bands of the 2000s rock movement. If you hate em then idk what to tell you
@@cheesesteak983 I love them…maybe not as much as I used to, but I still like the music.
Yeah there's no doubt about that Three Days Grace is mostly closer to Alternative Metal and Nu Metal, but off of One X I would say a good portion of their songs you could call Post Grunge.
one of adam sandler's defining bits on his snl years was him literally doing a cartoonish imitation of eddie vedder so scott stapp was on the same musical level as adam sandler but sandler did an acoustic performance with deftones so sandler has more music cred than stapp
Yeah but don’t forget, in this channel Deftones bad!
“Hey give me back my voice”
@@thedownwardmachine Who called deftones bad? Just a tad overrated and for sure overhyped by fans
It kills me that his Evenflow bit has never been on You Tube. I dunno why, but it's under lock and key for some reason? I saw it live on tv in early '92 and it was hilarious.
Disagree
I'm glad you gave silverchair the credit they deserved, their first two albums frogstomp and freak show are 100% grunge to me
It irritates me to hear Silverchair compared unfavorably to Nirvana. I'll grant you that Daniel Johns and Co. were obviously fans (especially given where their name came from), but Silverchair showed more growth and evolution over their first 3 albums than Nirvana managed to. I'm just sayin'.
Honestly, I realize that Nirvana was very important to that period, but honestly, I think they're overrated. On the other hand, Silverchair is very UNDERrated.
Also, Finn, in what universe were STP considered post grunge instead of grunge? And Candlebox were absolutely hit with the grunge label, mainly because they were from Seattle.
@@metalboy5150 I could be wrong (probably am) but I thought they got their name from “Berlin Chair” a song by You Am I.. and also “Sliverfuck” a song by The Smashing Pumpkins and they combined it to make “Sliverchair”but the place they were playing at misspelt their name and they ended up as Silverchair?
As I said I could be wrong but where did you hear the name came from? Relating with Nirvana?
I thought silverchair’s name came from the book in the Narnia series
@@davidmcdonald3780 I was given to understand that the "silver" part was an intentional corruption of "Sliver," by Nirvana. I don't really remember for sure where I read it, I *think* it was on the "Greatest Hits Vol. 1" liner notes. The "Berlin Chair" part you're right on about. Of course, as you said, I could be completely wrong about the Nirvana thing, and if so, all apologies. 😉
@@memyself3510 No. Great book, great series, classic fantasy, but no.
When it comes to Post-Grunge the first thing that comes to mind is Foo Fighters's first album. In my opinion Dave managed to capture that "post grunge" feel to perfection especially with the song " Exhausted" instrumentaly it still sounded "grungy" but the lyrics weren't dark and depressing. Grunge was in decline since 1993 and Kurt's death put a complete end to it it was time for something different and the Foos were the beginning.
Cuando pienso en post grungre, no pienso en Foo Fighters´s in that´s what I love about Dave after everything he didn´t do the same thing... he did somethind different
Hi Fin. I have to say - Stone Temple Pilots do not belong in that "post" bucket. Their best album was released in 1992. Now, the fact is they never got to be as big as the others and more importanly they were not a part of the scene, so even in 92' they have been called a poor people's Pearl Jam- but I cant think of them and say Creed as the same era, even. BTW the "real grunge" idea is so awesome.
Silverchair were 14 when Daniel wrote their first album and their sound evolved wildly over the years. It wasn't for me at the time, but listening back now I massively respect Daniel Johns' talent and enjoy the music. I'm from the same town as the band, and unfortunately will never have the op to see them live. I really hope Daniel can find some peace out of the spotlight.
He's a genius. The man is tormented, and I really hope he pushes through.
I loved Silverchair!
Three days grace was one of my favorite bands when I was in high school, and I really liked the whole post grunge scene around that time. Now it’s more of a nostalgia thing for me, but I’ll always love it.
It’s so good. I don’t know why this guy hates it. And I’m a fan of Finn, but this genre does nothing wrong, lyrics are deep and sound is hard
@The Coin Has A Say gotta agree with you there. Adam's voice, in my opinion is one of the best in rock. I had the opportunity to play with my band in Vancouver back in the early 2000's sharing the stage with 3DG, and Adam's singing live was so good. Pretty nice guys too. It's info they parted ways, but I'll always like that era of their band.
One X is one of my favorite albums.
@The Coin Has A Say wtf Three Days Grace instrumentals go berserk in their first 2 albums. Definitely not generic, but Adam does have one of the best voices ever.
Same, I was really into TDG in high school. I still love the first three albums (especially the first one), Transit of Venus was pretty disappointing then Adam left and got replaced by Matt Walst, who I do not like.
Silverchair developed into one of the greatest songwriting bands true talents. They rose above and beyond the grunge stereotype and are far better than any of the ‘post grunge’ bands you mentioned here.
THIS!!!!!!
And then they came out with the young modern. And their legacy was forever tarnished.
And oh yeah... Daniel John's can't sing for shittzs anymore.
"The water is very hard to drink"?
Frogstomp, freakshow and neon ballroom is true talents.. after that is loser albums
You criticise post-grunge for being posey, but honestly I felt like the original grunge aesthetic was a pose in itself.
In the advertising industry, execs sometimes talk about "anti-marketing marketing". For me, that's what the grunge era mostly was. "Hey, look how authentic we are - we wear sickly green and brown sweaters our mums bought for us, don't wash our hair and don't bother to mix our music properly, 'cause we're REAL, man!"
That's not to say I didn't like some of it ... but still. Posing as someone who's just too damn cool to give a shit is still posing.
Either way, though, thanks for the video. It was an enjoyable watch 🙂
Silverchair is an amazing band, and the way they infused Orchestral elements into Neon Ballroom and Diorama was really pushing some interesting boundaries.
Silverchair is severely underrated
Silverchair definitely blossomed into their own unique and very awesome sound by the time of Diorama, but early on… well, the name ‘Nirvana In Pyjamas’ was kinda apt ;-)
The first album isn't bad... Freak Show has a few good songs...
100% Silverchair is GREAT
I agree... They improved as they matured.
Their first two albums are decent, but that was not their 'creative peak'.
I think the lead singer (I forgot his name) references 'Coldsore Cream' in like 3 different songs.
Funny enough, I noticed that 3 Doors Down was coming to my hometown with Seether last summer. I knew some of their hits, and decided to give both bands a listen. I convinced my brother to check em out as well. We went to the show and took some friends with us. We all had a blast. We are 22 and 21 years old at the time of the concert, and in that moment of time we both became MASSIVE 3 Doors Down and Seether fans. I hope that can count for something lol
Go listen to bands like Type O Negative,Faith No More,Pantera,Megadeth,etc...,and u will hear and feel the difference .I'm not a hater,but there's just a level of depth that some bands from the early 90s reached that later bands were not able to.It's more than just a good time;it's majick.
@@brotherlittlefoot2216 make no mistake, I’m well immersed in all those bands you mentioned, and then some
I do listen to them regularly purely due to nostalgia and it's what I like, ignoring all the music elitist rhetoric. Both the bands you named are great bands, listen to what you like and ignore the trolls👍🏼
Seether rules! Love the composition and lyrics. Check out the last álbum 💪👌🏻
I saw Nickelback on their very first Canadian tour in my small city hometown in NW Alberta.
Had a blast. Their debut silver side up is a certified BANGER!!!
matchbox 20 was a good time too. Likely most of the metalheads who diss the bands mentioned in this video do not realize how good a time they are missing
I think there’s a huge nuanced distinction between what is really “post-grunge” (ie Bush, Silverchair, Live, etc.) and the bands that came after (ie Creed, Nickelback, Default, etc.), in which the latter aren’t really post-grunge at all but simply “modern alt rock” or the broader category “butt rock”. To call Creed and Nickelback “post-grunge” is an insult to the bands that really were post-grunge or grunge-adjacent.
I also lump STP and Candlebox in with grunge because although they aren’t out of Seattle, they arose from the same period of time and were from the same general scene.
Candlebox is out of Seattle, they were just much younger than their contemporaries.
@@z777luck777z Also Candlebox wrote like general radio hard-rockers. If they’d come up five years earlier, they’d have had teased mullets and spandex
THIS. I’ve always considered bands like Bush, Silverchair and Live as post-grunge, because even lacking that original spark, they more or less share the same musical, lyrical and overall artistic sensibilities as the early 90’s Seattle bands. To me, Creed, Puddle of Mudd etc. fall squarely into the Butt Rock genre, that is, they are true spiritual descendents of 80’s vapid glam metal bands, even if they have copied some superficial aspects of their sound from grunge bands.
@@joeybatmania9327 Say what now? Far Behind is pretty much in tune with the spitrit of grunge.
@@pekkapietikainen7348 I'd put Catherine Wheel and Ned's Atomic Dustbin in the "authentic post-grunge" category as well, even though they were British and simply riding the wave.
I know they weren't mentioned much in the vid but I have to come to bat for my boys in Seether because they 100% have the necessary grunge elements that set them way apart from Nickleback and Creed. A short read through Shaun Morgan's history shows that he absolutely doesn't share the superficialities of most of their peers and a lot of his material comes from exceptionally dark life experiences.
I'm never going to say they were on the same level as Nirvana (who Shaun openly states he took influence from) but I think Seether took that and evolved it into something different.
Even Broken is something Shaun treated as a catch 22 given that Evanescence was a large part of the reason for that songs success (written for his daughter, was never meant to be a love song).
There was always going to be commercialised tracks given that record labels will do what they do to keep any modicum of success rolling.
I think Seether are wildly underrated and I definitely count them amongst my greatest influences if for no other reason than the brutal honesty of the music, not to mention they were my gateway into Metal.
Dude, their song Remedy blew me away as a kid. Still listen to it every now and then along with Fake It and Broken
Seether is so good! For me they were a band that got me into rock music. It’s crazy to think we were singing those songs at a young age not really understanding what they were about
Seether definitely has music that veers all over the alternative scene for sure. Shaun is a damn good songwriter who has range (both vocally and lyrically). You have something like Fine Again, and then you have Dead And Gone which is like 85% him screaming.
I really like a lot of songs by them tbh, the only problem I’ve had with them is sometimes the radio plays their music WAAYYY too much. Like yes we get it Fake it is a good song but god damn play remedy or breakdown, but that’s not the band’s fault it’s just extremely overplayed.
@@wadecampbell6338 I love Remedy. I heard it when it was a new song back in the day, and I spent years trying to find it. I couldn't remember the name, but I remembered the melody for all those years, lol
My wife’s uncle was in a Creed cover band and they played at my wedding. It was awful!
Nice :)
I am sorry
How did that happened? I can't imagine hearing Music I don't like at my wedding
🤦♂️ then why did you hire them dummy?
@@freeman7079 you know, Brides are the boss at that kind of events, since the dude is the Bride's uncle, well, you know the resto...
I still love Seether to this day. They are one of the few bands in this space with a lot to say. A lot of their songs are about mental health/suicide and those types of things. Absolutely great band
definately. I really love Seether. Such a great band. In general I have to say that post grunge bands can sound pretty good. TDC and Seether really brought me into this music and they are both lyricwise and instrumentally very good. And I also think their lyrics are darker and generally about serious negative things.
Yeah, Seether is not my thing, but I respect them. They're legit. Even the worst genres have some highlights . . . even ska (just don't tell Finn, LOL)!
Agreed, Seether is one of my favorites of the post-grunge era. Shaun Morgan seems very cool and authentic too, and he's said before that he learned to play guitar by playing along to Nevermind
Seether absolutely rules and has yet to make bad music. If anything, they just keep getting better with age and experience. And they've been around 20 years and still making hits, so they gotta be doing something right.
I really like their new album!
When I was on tour in Russia, the biggest surprise was how much everyone I met loved Nickelback and had no idea they were considered such a joke in the west.
Like I've always said when it comes to rock music: One country's trash---is another country's treasure!
here in Brazil Nickleback is also beloved, or was to be fair, i actually enjoy their biggest hits around here, Photograph, How you remind me, shit even Rockstar is nice imo
i feel all this hate is from people that is waay to much into being label a certain genre, i personaly dont care, never did, if the song is good i'll listen to it, but there is some like Creed that really is way to much to take seriously
Russia is not like Sweden or Holland where everyone understands English freely. 50 Cent is also super popular here but Jay Z is not. Its all about melody, not the lyrics.
@@JoinMeInDeathBaby thats absolutely true, i dont think i ever heard Kendrick Lamar playing around here but those lil whatever are everywhere, i never thought about it this way and it is absolutely true
@@impalaman9707 But all countries love and respect the pure rock n roll that David Hasselhoff has released.
Give it another 5-10-15 years however long it is but people will undoubtedly come back to this era and say it’s all amazing
Nahh, emo is just as old and people hated that shit. People feel nostalgic for it now
...Um like they already do. And have every single day, since the day the first well-known post-grunge song was released.
@@Rayvn7I don't see it
Agreed. Music revolves and revolves and is suddenly critically hailed and as quickly and as suddenly debased by critics...it's a revolving series of genre's getting recognition over the course of time.
You can love it or hate it, but lots of Emo music was and continuously stayed popular. MCR is a perfect example of that. People just like to gate keep and base fake identities off shit. If you need an era of music to tell people who you are as a person with nothing else to hold it up, you just lack a real persona im my opinion. Some may even argue, a tool. Music is a blessing, I say play what you like and enjoy.
I was 16 when Nevermind, Dirt and Mother Love Bone came out. As a 16 year old in 1992, I latched on to the "dark" nature of grunge. It was fitting for my thoughts and feelings. By 2001 or 2002, I was sick of being depressed and high. I think this ethos is the main reason post-grunge was successful even to a fan of the grunge movement. I, as a lot of other people, were sick of feeling down all of the time and somewhat upbeat nature of the lyrics were a relief from years of negative, downer shit while maintaining some of the same qualities of the grunge sound. Now that I am 45 and don't let lyrics dictate my life, I find myself listening to 1992 more than I do 2002, but that's not to say I don't go back and forth. I feel like I'm probably not alone in this opinion.
Those 3 items you listed all came out at different times. However, you are correct in a roundabout way. They all recorded their debut albums pretty close to same time in 1989.
Yeah, in a way, Grunge killed itself, and it was always going to kill itself. I get that grunge as an influence was good for music, but in the long term 'post-grunge' (or IMO just regular hard rock with certain similar sound elements) is better. There may be a time and place for grunge, but it should never have dominated due to its inherent depressed nature.
I feel that post-grunge was successful because it took some of the elements that made grunge great and added some other elements that watered it down but were more accessible. I think the lightness or "happiness" element that was increased in post-grunge is one of them. Simultaneously, I think the genuinely greater heaviness or "darkness" of the original grunge was embraced so quickly because the mainstream music industry had just become oversaturated by all the super sappy, upbeat hair metal and new wave. People were just sick of it at that point, and this stuff that was never meant to be cool or mainstream came along and it was just so refreshing for people. Like so trends often go though, things swing back and forth, and timing is everything. If grunge had come out some years later or some years earlier, it probably would have been relegated back to some niche market and not be nearly as popular.
well written...I'm a year older than you so I get bro! GNR went from cool to lame and OFFSPRING, STP, PJ, SoundGarden, Helmet, Hole, Alice IC and NIRVANA were a breath of real air. I always say music died w/ Kurt. Not totally true, but close. TOOL is the only band from college to now that I can think of that's great.
@@ebythebeach guns roses released most of their hits in the grunge era. Use your ilusion 1 & 2 were two Double records at the time and it was realeased in 91 at the same time Grunge made it big. It didnt impact them at all, they were still huge in 91, 92,
One of the things I've learned traveling the country is that there's a lot of places where time moves a lot slower. Trends in music, fashion and entertainment in general often take time to reach certain areas. This is why a lot of these post grunge bands remain popular despite the fact that most of the music scene crowd moved on from it years ago. Honestly, if 3 doors down is still selling out shows in Biloxi or Toledo, good for them. There's always going to be a place for super generic butt rock .
South Parks joke about Iowa being years behind is very very real.
As someone who just traveled across the country twice this is so true. I felt like I stepped in a time machine to 10-15 years ago in some places. It was like whiplash being from Philly, and then staying in LA, but seeing all these small towns inbetween
@@phaaaze9984 I'm from Minneapolis and my family always drove to our vacation(I went everywhere from Montana and Colorado for ski trips, to Boston, Flordia, New Orleans, and southern Texas). I have family that lived in Cincinnati and the adjacent Kentucky city. I quickly learned the United States is 2 completely different countries that move at 2 completely different speeds and mostly the cultures never intersect. You have major cities and the surrounding 40 miles, then EVERY OTHER SQUARE MILE of the united states.
I definitely agree. I moved from Philly to middle Georgia and lived there for about 5 years. When my wife and I first got there in 2012 there were still a significant amount of Blockbusters in the area. I couldn’t believe it haha
Upstate New York fits the bill, any place north of Exit 15 on the New York State Thruway is like slipping through a breach in the spacetime continuum. And that’s only 50 miles north of New York City. (shudder)
I was a freshman in high school when "Smells Like Teen Spirit" broke and Nirvana became one of my favorite bands overnight. I also liked and still like a lot of the post grunge bands. It's music. People spend way too much time worrying about what genre this band or that band is, that they just don't take the time to actually listen to the music. This is what a lot of people find out in their 40s. All of that music you were too cool / too good to listen to 20-30 years ago is actually pretty good once you give it an honest chance.
I don't buy it...listening to the music is HOW I determine that I do or don't like them. It came on the radio, I heard it, thought, "This sucks," and that was it...how hard am I supposed to listen to something to try and find something worthwhile in it?
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks creed and nickleback should play along with the joke they should tour together and call it the tell it to our face tour just the name of the tour would get a lot of press and i bet they would do good business
The way I feel about indie
I'm 29 and when I was growing up, I was " too cool " to listen to Green Day, Blink 182, Fall Out Boy, or any Pop Punk bands. To me, CheVelle, Staind, Breaking Benjamin, Korn, Linkin Park, Crossfade, Blue October, Hinder, Three Days Grace, Puddle of Mudd, Seether, Papa Roach, etc.....anything Post Grunge was cool. Lol. But it wasn't really about the genre......it was about the way the music sounded. I wanted music that sounded the way I felt inside. Blink 182's music was too happy for me. I'll listen to them now though, at 29.
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Music is music. I don't really care for you elitism on display in videos like this
Yes, I'll say it. Creed saved my life.
I was a troubled youth and in a juvenile detention facility when My Own Prison came out. Imagine being a young kid, locked up in a facility listening to My Own Prison on a crappy battery powered radio, while LITERALLY sitting in an actual prison, of my own making (due to behavior). It was impactful to say the least.
Creed was the reason I learned to play guitar, and shaped the way I play. Creed probably impacted my life more than I can quantify.
At 40, listening to My own Prison still hits me in a special way. D chords hit me in a different way.
I get the hate, and realize I'm in a minority, but Creed will always be a special band to me.
The biggest thing about post-grunge is the record labels' single-minded pursuit of the "next Nirvana". They started signing every band that remotely sounded or looked like them and flooded the market with what we refer to now as post-grunge. Bands like Nickelback and 3 Doors Down have incredibly deep songs, thought provoking songs, and heart breaking songs. Songs that I would put up against anything in grunge with regard to emotional impact and/or societal commentary, but they were buried under the record labels who want more than anything, to make a return on their investment. That is why you get these polished, radio-ready singles like "How You Remind Me", "Someday", "Never Gonna Be Alone" from Nickelback and "When I'm Gone", "Here Without You" and "Let Me Go" by 3 Doors Down. Hidden in their discography are songs about fathers abandoning their families, being bullied, thoughts of suicide and more. I am not trying to refute any of the personality traits that were obviously different, the draw to celebrity status, and lack of social platform or political commentary certainly separated grunge from its aftermath. But like all good and pure things, the almighty dollar pursues, corrupts, mass produces, uses up, and eventually abandons said good and pure things. The hallmark of bands like Nickleback and 3 Doors Down and their longevity is their ability to play ball with the record labels. They produce their polished, panty-dropping singles and fill the rest of their record with their own music. That is why they are still around, and why they continue to draw audiences, listeners, and new fans.
This is how I see Nickelback tbh. They have the generic Top 40 Rock chart stuff, but then there's stuff like "Feed The Machine" and "Betrayal" (Act 1 and 3 since there is no 2), the latter of which sounds almost like a Metallica ballad-type thing (Betrayal part 1). Hell, "This Means War" is in Drop A if I recall, so it's pretty damn low.
I'm Aussie, so Silverchair is regarded as something of a "hometown hero" for a lot of people down here. I've always enjoyed them & I kind of enjoy the first Bush album as well. I'll hand in my internet music fan cred at the door.
Silverchair was legit. Hell yeah.
What does kangaroo meat taste like?
I'm keeping my card. You should too. Lol
@@jennyanydots2389 chicken, I bet. 🤣
@@DaveMustang74 Chicken tastes like aborted fetal meats. I imagine the 'roo tastes different than that.
Finn, I'm seeing a trend that needs to be addressed. Stone Temple Pilots album - Core came out in 1992. Less than a year after Nevermind. I'm wondering why I keep hearing people say that STP were just posers when they were right there in the beginning. Yes they were from CA, and Kurt was from WA, but that sound was traveling everywhere at that time. Just saying. I think the STP hate should stop.
Eddie Vedder was from San Diego. People do overestimate the importance of a grunge artist actually being from Seattle.
I kind of think of STP as being the +1 of the big 4. They were big, and they were...grunge or at least grunge-adjacent, but they were also something else. They had a little bit of that sunset strip, post-hair metal, Whisky-A-Go-Go (but well past it's prime) kinda grime. They were the Hollywood Grunge. Authentically sleazed-out. Halfway between Nirvana and Skid Row. And one of my all-time favorite bands.
When Sex Type Thing first appeared on MTV I thought it was Eddie Vedder with short hair
I think STP for me had a notably lighter tone in their song lyrics than the rest of the big 4. Soundgarden, Nirvana and AIC all had VERY dark lyrics and STP could match the heavy musicality at times but they often had catchier vocals as well as some super catchy music that was more accessible. slightly different vibe but a contemporary nonetheless
A lot of that album was constructed 89-91
There was a trend on TikTok a little while ago where people made videos about it being cool to hate Nickelback, but they secretly love them and were basically “coming out” as fans. The awesome part was Nickelback themselves were actually commenting on the videos and offering them tickets to see them live. It came across as really endearing. Chad Kroger seems like a genuinely nice guy and though I won’t go around bragging about it, I’ll always be a Nickelback fan.
The hate was a bandwagon thing. Some only pretended to hate em just to follow the crowd. The same idiots probably listen to pop music. smh…. I’m not a fan, but I never got the excessive criticism.
I really like The State album by Nickelback
All The Right Reasons is my favorite one.
@@sethwalrod4190 I personally prefer The Long Road.
@@tylere.8436 That's a really good one too! ,Also great album for heading west on road trips.
I love post grudge because of artist like breaking Benjamin and Seether. I felt they brought something new and exciting to the table back in the 2000’s. They weren’t reinventing the wheel like nirvana sure, but if we’re being honest most bands out there aren’t either and they brought great song writing and really well performing sets.
I think people hate on post-grudge because many artist in that era were making pop sounding Emoish music and trying to sell it as post-grunge when it’s more sad pop rock music.
Nickelback isn’t bad when u look at it in a pop rock light but it’s terrible when you’re looking at it from a pure “rock” stand point
I completely agree
I personally think that Creed and Staind are some of the great ones from the post-grunge era imo!
They didn't reinvent the wheel, but they did give the spokes a new coat of paint by adding elements of heavy metal in to the grunge scene
The early 2000s was a tired, bloated end of days for post grunge
Would any of you all say Shinedown's post-grunge or no?
Love him or hate him, Mark Tremonti is one of the most influential rock/metal guitarists.
Agreed
Fuck yes he is! One of the absolute best.
Hard agree. I kind of hate Creed’s music personally, but there’s no denying his massive talent, and he seems like a really nice guy.
I still love Creed.
That's why he joined alterbridge
My Mom was really into Creed and she took me and my brother to a Creed laser light show. It was like an hour of "life and god are beautiful" imagery to butt-rock. 10/10
Sounds awesome
Loser by 3 doors down is incredibly underrated. I’m not a Post Grunge fan but Loser is really hard hitting. I remember my dad playing it while I was young and I liked it but now I’m in my 20’s and I can understand it a little better and it’s relatable because I was and maybe still am a loser. I was beat up in middle school and made fun of by people who said they were my friends and people who treat people like losers never change so even though I’m out of school and out of my hometown there’s still people out there who’ll treat me like a loser. So I’ll be the one guy in his early twenties who’s glad they rediscovered 3 doors down.
I remember when Creed was starting to break and watching the rockumentry on MTV. What I came to conclude with bands like Creed and Nickelback is this was the newest flavor of Arena Rock. I remember when people used to mock and make fun of the Arena Rock bands of the 70's like Boston, Journey, and Styx for example. Than the hair metal bands became the next flavor of Arena Rock which people of course decried. There are a lot of people who aren't angsty, they just want to have a good time, drink with their buddies and rock out. So Creed, Nickelback come along, and essentially become the next flavor of Arena Rock. None of the other waves of Arena Rock were doing anything ground breaking, it was just a place to have fun. You give it another ten fifteen years, you will have college students in bars singing along to "How You Remind Me" just like they sing along to "Don't Stop Believing" now.
I have been saying your last sentence for years. There’s a story from Toddintheshadows about hearing that Journey song and feeling embarrased that he liked it, because Journey was seen as “the worst band ever.”
it always amazes me how the passage of times “redeems” certain genres or fads.
I recall hearing all of this about the 70s arena rock bands as well. It's a good comparison- especially because these post grunge bands aren't all that visual, not to mention their deathless popularity in the Midwest.
Yeah right. Nickleback cant be compared to Journey. The guitarist and singer for Journey actually had talent instead of strumming a guitar with poor lyrics
@@jeremyjames1659 Matchbox Twenty are Journey. Nickelback are Foreigner.
The term post grunge is strange when a lot of people immediately dismiss anything other than Nirvana, AIC, Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden. Especially since all of these bands “styles” were all over the place.
That's the thing about grunge Nirvana diddnt sound like pearl jam who diddnt sound like Melvins who diddnt sound like dinosaur Jr. But the thing that ties them all together awesome riffs, like early incarnations of punk it was more a movement than a musical genre.
Three Days Grace, Breaking Benjamin, Fuel, Crossfade etc are good bands though. I don't understand the hate. The lyrics are emotional and something you can connect to and the guitar work is a great blend between heavy and melodic. I don't care what people think, it's probably my favourite and most listened genre (if I look at my streaming statistics and collection). Even the softer bands in the genre like Lifehouse and Switchfoot are nice. I think the hate comes from the fact that they sounded more gentle and easy to listen to compared to the original grunge scene, but I don't see that as a negative. I think they were just doing good music. Not everything has to be a huge cultural breakthrough with singers like Kurt Cobain who criticised society. A nice ballad or relatable rock song is good enough.
Edit: More bands in this genre I love: Our Lady Peace, Chevelle, Seether, The Exies, Atomship, Smile Empty Soul, Staind, Future Leaders of the World, Finger Eleven (pre Paralyzer lol)
Our Lady Peace is great
Crossfade were pure definition of aging bar band getting lucky, countless sound and name changes, and decided to take a stab at Post Grunge. That first record, is saved by the musicianship and tight songs, but boy were the lyrics cringe as fuck ("Disco" is like a sub-Saliva song)
@@darrenthetuber743 That 2004 album is great honestly but they never did anything that good again.
@ElectricSam22 Absolutely
@@tylerjarjoura3270 The first 4 or 5 albums are still listenable but they turned extremely generic and boring.
I've always liked Staind and like two songs from Nickelback. I don't know if Seether counts but I love them. I don't think post-grunge is necessarily a bad genre.
Nickelback was at their beginnings really a grunge alternative band. Take albums like curb, or the state. Even silver side up has some good tracks beside how you remind me. After silver side up Nickelback became more and more mainstream and sounded in someway a bit like bon jovi. Nevertheless I think they are a great post grunge band because their style is unique. They dont cover the first grunge bands eg nirvana. Puddle of Mudd is a worse example of how bands try to imitate Kurt Cobain and Nirvana. At first the look and then the songs. Staind are okay
Well they were huge influenced by alice in chains as well also moreover nickelback but both bands have their own unique style. They dont try to imitate other bands.
A worse example of imitating nirvana nowadays is limp bizikit and fred durst. Why they do it ? From my point of view they have no ideas anymore of writing songs....
Staind are brilliant.
@@lizard1193 Its been awhile, outside or mudshovel are good alternative rock classics
I’ve always thought Seether’s early albums (Disclaimer II and Karma & Effect) did a good job channeling a more true grunge spirit before their sound evolved into a more nickelback approach to the genre.
Yeah I actually bought their first couple albums when I was a teen
I don’t hear a nickelback approach in any of their music. Genuinely curious which songs/albums you are referring to? (Not picking a fight here… just wanna know! lol)
I thought Finding Beauty in Negative Space was a really good album as well. Their first three albums I could listen on repeat, they’re all so good.
Never got into their albums, but they never put out a single I disliked, I also thought they stayed true to the grunge ethos, perhaps a bit poppy sounding later but still no where near cringe as say creed or nickleback
Seether's lead singer definitely wasn't t influenced by Kurt Cobain. Not at all.
I loved Three Days Grace when I was in highschool and still listen from time to time for the nostalgia. I think a lot of us who liked this music, we were just too young to compare it to grunge. I was born in the 90s so I only started listening to Nirvana much later as an adult.
Three Days Grace first album and Staind are Nu Metal / Post Grunge
@@themadrapper101 they're tryhards
silverchair are actually much different from nirvana. while they certainly looked a lot like them, their first album frogstomp is actually far more reminiscent of pearl jam and soundgarden. their second album sounds a lot like helmet and yes, nirvana. but when their third album came out they reached a level of musical maturity. daniel johns is a truly gifted songwriter and musician, which became even more evident on their fourth album diorama, which could arguably be considered their best album. and daniel has gone on to do great solo work, his new album is phenomenonal, although not the post grunge of his previous work.
This genre is literally underrated and honestly it's my favorite I never understood get the hate it gets. It's a very unique sound and very addicting
You must be joking
It's probably not my favorite, but I absolutely love this genre. So be it.
Yes I 100% agree with you, I could listen to this genre every day and night.
@@MrThedonhead no
@@adrianacev7579 music is always copying something that came before, it has always been so and it will always be so
I still love Seether and Silverchair. I'm not ashamed. My parents listened to most of these bands late 90s, early 2000s, so I'm pretty nostalgic for the most part.
Not a fan of seether but silverchair slaps hard.
Shinedown, Breaking Benjamin and 3 Days Grace is what I listen to daily. 29 years old and still love these band and liked a few of the new songs 3 Days Grace and Shinedown dropped recently
Silverchair is not post grunge they are grunge
I would consider Staind to be nu-metal with grunge influences, they were first and foremost a nu-metal band culturally that later evolved to be more of a post grunge act.
I would describe it the other around and most people do.
Their major debut album Dysfunction sounded like a heavier Alice in Chains. One of my favorite albums from that era.
I understand why this particular genre gets hate but at the same time, I feel like this genre was the entry point to discovering the better bands so it has its musical importance.
So true, most people's first exposure to heavier music was through those bands being played on the radio stations. Definitely a gateway to the darker stuff that you won't ever hear about in the mainstream unless you know where and what to look for.
See I was born into (and literally because of) metal and I have heavy as shit parents so my “entry” bands were actually relatively heavy so I automatically couldn’t stand most of these bands
Of course I got much heavier but still
When talking about genres, people forget that “worst genre” is closer to “least good genre”. Unless a genre is a very specific and small, most genres have good and bad bands in them
@@whenwhen2284 Yeah that's very true, any good genre will have many bad bands within them
The same goes to nu metal...Young kids in our childhood time all started with nu metal and stuff like that.Bizkit and Linkin Park were the hottest shit then...and through them we discovered better and better music...
Silverchair had an edgy thing going on in their sound because they sounded like if they wanted to be a bit more heavy metal than grunge (at least in their first album, which I love). They were super young too, so their sound was quite fresh despite the comparison to grunge. Maybe they listened to more Bleach than Nevermind.
Come on Finn. I mean Scott Weiland sounded similar to Eddy Vedder on STP’s first album but the music was completely different. They ended up being a great and diverse band. It’s about as annoying as when people still say Muse is a Radiohead knock off.
I had the same issue with STP on that first release; yes the music was different but I couldn't get past the vocals. That being said; Scott's voice, style and writing evolved with each subsequent release as did the music itself and became a huge fan. One of the greatest front man of all time. As there talent evolved with each release, I watched Pearl Jam devolve into the Eddie Vedder leading me to permanently jump ship after Binaural.
Agree with you big time. Pearl jam sounds nothing like stp. Never have and never will like pearl jam.
@joel ebsworth it is a thing. Maybe less common now like the STP PJ comparison but it is a thing.
What most people dont know is that stp were together since 86 before PJ got together in 90 and there was only one year apart between their debut albums, so maybe it was Eddy who sounded more like Weiland .
U guys are still brainwashed by the joke David spade said about Stp sounding like Pearl jam.....youball just ran with it....get your own op
You can hate Nickelback all you want.
But you can't convince me that their song Far Away is not a great song.
But then I'd have to listen to it ayyy I see what you're doing
won’t call it great but i will say it’s their best
It's not a great song 🤣🤣🤣
Why limit it to just Far Away? I unapologetically love most Nickelback songs right up until No Fixed Address
"Far Away" is definitely a great song. Same with "How You Remind Me".
I don’t think post - grunge wasn’t that bad. It felt like the hate was equivalent to what nu metal had when it comes to hate: it was everywhere and their were bad/mediocre bands that outshined the good.
Staind was an amazing band. Their first album is legit. I’m happy I got to see them live. I also enjoy Seether. Breaking Benjamin was also a great band and I love their drummer as a drummer myself.
To me Staind is easily the best post-grunge band.
breaking ben was cool til ben lost his shit and fired the band. they are cheesy as shit now. so is the the new drummer, he got mad at me on here cause i mentioned how rough his timing was. weak. jeremy and chad were aces.
Saw Staind live. Was really good. Not the best. Not the worst. Bought 1 of thier CD. I actually unironically liked CREEDS my own prison. They went off the rails after that.
I don't know about that Nickelback is a very, very good one too.
Post-grunge was the poppier, more general-audience-friendly version of the grunge sound. It played on "all the hits" type radio stations, rather than exclusively rock stations. It was the equivalent of the "scene" bands that popped up in the late 2000s and early 2010s after the first wave of emo and metalcore proved popular-ish. It was basically what the major studio labels wanted: the same sound, but with more accessible lyrics and better looking band members.
Always liked this genre lol, 100% get why it's so universally hated but in my opinion, there's something about it that just... works. Whether it be some great hooks, killer guitar riffs, tasty rhythm sections or vocalists that I find to be genuinely good or passionate, I feel like there's a lot of good hidden in the genre as a whole.
Ya it wasn't terrible till every band started sounding exactly the same. But there's a few diamonds in the rough. I still enjoy bands like Breaking Benjamin, Seether and a couple others every once in a while. I saw puddle of Mudd and the front man was so effed up that he couldn't sing the lyrics and the guitar player ended up singing everything. And for that I've always hated them. Everyone was booing them
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I think the genre would have a better reputation if it had a different name. When calling it “post-grunge”, right away people are immediately comparing the music to grunge bands instead of listening to it for what the music is and if it doesn’t live up to the standards then people see it as a failure
@@USHARDY what could people call it instead?
@@USHARDY solid point. But that's exactly what it was.
Finn: "Does it matter what they wear? No "
Also Finn: *analyzes bands' drip in every tier list*
Those tier lists are much less serious than this video lol
Aesthetic in fashion can be a major selling point. look at bands like Kiss, slipknot or even something like Mumford and sons. Your dress should reflect your bands persona, because it will affect your success
LoL you cant have punk rock mba video without him talking about clothes band members wear
That's my favorite part of those videos though 🤣
Well the grunge/alternative bands wore jeans and tshirts out of thrift shops and had art kid fashion sense to make it look aesthetically pleasing. post-grunge and butt rock bands wear t’s and jeans that were expensive and fitted and either garishly or blandly designed with no artistry. Just like the music.
Love how hard that hits shortly after 8:24 in their song: "And I've been wrong. I've been down, to the bottom of every bottle!". Im 34 and this era holds a special place. I appreciate Nickleback, Everclear, Staind, etc.
This was fair. I'm glad you didn't rip into STP. I don't care if they were grunge or not, they had amazing musicianship and great lyrics. Just a damn good band.
I disagree. I think he’s full of shit.
They were one of the best bands that came out of the 1990’s.I’m a music snob and hate shitty music.STP did their own thing and were original.
They were absolutely grunge. Finn is the first person I've ever heard try to label them as "post grunge."
Yes! I’d say Core was definitely grunge. Where the River goes is dark and haunting and amazing. I love STP
But creed and bush arent? I guess I haven’t heard enough but you have to admit My Own Prison and Sixteen Stone were good mf albums
I don’t care what anyone says, I’ve always liked Staind
Yeah, me too.
Staind's first couple albums were phenomenal, and Mike Mushok is one of the most underrated guitarists of his generation. But they fell off quickly...
I don't remember what album it was, but it came with a "making of" DVD. The band was giving the drummer so much flak (rightfully so) for not being able to even keep a tempo anymore. And seeing how Aaron's career has become... I think they just didn't really care anymore. Be it burn out or ego or whatever, their hearts didn't seem to be in it, and it definitely showed in their music. And it's a shame because their first 2 albums are genuine classics.
Yep, I really like most of their stuff besides the self titled. 14 shades of grey makes me smile every time I listen to it
oh fs some of my favorite bands are from the post grunge era. they’re good asf
I have 3 CDs by them and I'm about to see them live in concert. I love post grunge cause it's good for road trips, quite a few Patriotism in there and some country riffs too. Post Grunge is my number 1 favorite genre of all.
7:30 "Does it matter what people wear? No."
Me who watches Finns videos solely to see him roast peoples drip: 👁️👄👁️
Silver chair is really good. It's a shame they split up. Their music kind of morphed the older they got but in a cool way. I enjoyed their first 2 albums even back then. But the stuff they did after that was always cool to see how they changed up as they got older.
We all secretly like Creed.
Human clay is quite good
I'm digging the love for Creed I'm seeing in the comments. Lol I became a fan in 2012 and people fucking hated them for what seems like forever. I even met Stapp thru a radio contest and the dude was beyond kind.
@@rawkguy4896 they made some good songs!
No we don’t
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I grew up in the nineties in the Boston area and I don't remember Bush or STP getting hate at all. Bush was one of my favorite bands of the decade... Sixteen Stone is a rock classic. And I'll never forget Gavin Rossdale playing Glycerine solo in the rain at MTV Spring Break. One of the greatest performances in MTV history.
Bush was and is still a great band
Agreed
Yeah I don’t remember that either. Maybe Bush some because dudes thought Gavin was a pretty boy. ;) I didn’t like STP so much but I was the only one I remember who felt that way. I just didn’t like his voice that much. Little did I know that the post grunge folks would come around to do it even worse than he did!!! Now looking back STP was not that bad comparatively speaking!!!
5:55 Thank you for shouting out Silverchair, they are sooo underrated. Most people heard their grungy stuff and moved on but their later albums have some amazing stuff.
AIC was a metal band. STP were alt rock. They got slapped with the grunge label and it just stuck.
The only post grunge band I like is Fuel. Yeah they had a more produced made-for-radio sound than grunge, but they were good. They weren’t corny, they weren’t gimmicky, they also continued the dress down style of grunge, and while their sound was more radioized than grunge bands, it still sounded more rudimentary and raw than most post grunge bands. Sunburn, Innocent, and Hemorrhage are amazing songs
Listen to Poets Of The Fall.
fuel rocks
Something Like Human is a great album. The song “Down” absolutely slaps.
Bret had great vocals and Carl Bell is monster song writer. It's too bloody bad that they let their egos destroy the band.
Ummm….”frogstomp” by silverchair definitely fit in with the grunge scene. But beyond that album, you’re right, silverchair wasn’t real grunge. Especially “neon ballroom” and beyond. In fact, I dare say that they were too good for the grunge scene. Daniel John’s is one of the best songwriters (criminally underrated to be honest) of my generation. I love them. Top 5 to me. Way too good for grunge. Lol.
Same thing with bush too. Sixteen stone fits with grunge….-ish. But razorblade suitcase and beyond did not. Some of your examples are bands that just caught the tail end of grunge and went on to sonically change after their first albums. And I love sixteen stone and razorblade suitcase by bush, but beyond that, they were terrible. Razorblade was their last good album. (Another criminally underrated piece of music).
Also also: how did three doors down going triple platinum surprise you? You don’t remember the year “Superman” was played NON STOP on the radio and mtv? God, I hated them and nickelback. Lol.
Man, the first two bush albums are fucking incredible and the live performances are even better. Kinda surprised how often he mentions them in the same breath as creed
Neon ballroom is my all time favorite record. Hell diorama is probably top 10 too
You could kinda lump Freakshow with Silverchairs grunge output but it’s also a bit more alt-metal in places than anything
@@zdoggzero6595 Silverchair is better than Pearl Jam IMO
Diarama is a work of art
Post-grunge overhated can’t change my mind
Definitely.
"Smile Empty Soul" was an incredible and underrated band that would fall into the "Post-Grunge" era, and probably the best.
They had the agression of older grunge, which you don't see in alot of post grunge
They're still going strong, but changed the "imma off myself with drugs" lyrics
Cringe name. Ouch. I don't know their music, though.
@@thiagofirmo2389 Lol @ "'imma off myself with drugs" lyrics'"
@@colico14 ngl they are way better now
I honestly grew up listening to all these bands and to this day I listened to them everyday. Don't see the reason for so much hate
Some guy said something bad about Nickleback on TV or some shit and it turned into a meme to hate on them. Just people bandwagoning
Cuz butt rock is corny as f*ck but I gotta admit sometimes I like to listen to some of those bands just to please my nostalgia…
@@Eduard000F"butt rock is corny", is just a cringe circlejerk take in the music community. Music is subjective and many can say the same shit of your favorite genres.
BASED.
@@martinsanchez4827 yeah but i won’t cry about it…
that Frogstomp album was really good it blew my mind they were so young
That McDonald's comparison is spot on. And the early albums of some of those bands were actually really good. Then like with most trends, the industry took hold and capitalized and ran it into the ground.
Silver side up, The long Road, and All The Right Reasons are all great albums
Couldn’t disagree more. Everyone I know that is my age (41) loves looking back on this post grunge era fondly. Bush still gets played regularly around my parts. To each their own but it’s hard to say “nobody respects this era” and “they still gets hundreds of thousands of plays a month” in the same thesis.
Bush were such a weird band. British band, Massive for a while in America who had nearly no impact in the UK
Im 17 and I love Bush and Creed, and Puddle of Mudd isnt bad but not rlly My style
@@rylandduffield5419 what was weird about them?
Bush was a great band, I don't get why they are lumped in with bands like puddle of mudd
@@rylandduffield5419 yet they have hit after hit after hit.. machinehead, glycerine, chemicals between us, comedown, swallowed, little things, mouth, cold contagious, greedy fly, warm machine, letting the cables sleep.. the list goes on..
The only band from the "Post-grunge" scene that's got consistent and notable respect from both listeners and critics that I can think of is Breaking Benjamin. Probably, because they go against the grain most of the examples given in the video. They were regular guys from Scranton in the beginning, the first record was pretty dirty and raw for the style, they got heavier and switched things up with new music as time went on, and they didn't sing about getting bitches and parties - Ben's lyrics are actually pretty dark, and well written (for the most part) with songs about alcohol addiction, depression, and poor relationships among other things.
Call me biased, because I'm also from that area and I've been listening to them basically my whole life. But, I really think they're the biggest outlier.
Define consistent and notable respect, because ive seen critics that really dont care for Breaking Benjamin..... But regardless, they sell out stadiums. The same goes for Staind, Godsmack, and other post grunge bands. Finn can hate all he wants but these bands sell big. They write songs that people can relate to and sing along with.... Its strange how he can praise an artist like Cardi B but cant do it with post grunge music.
Breaking Benjamin may be the worst post grunge band of all tbh
What about the Foo Fighters? They are more famous the Breaking Benjamin and hell I think even more loved by fans and critics. No one hates Dave Grohl. I know to some people its debateble that they might be even Post Grunge, but they get clamped into that genre per se. I find it interesting that they were not in the video.
@@alexmarenco2399 that'd be the one, I agree. But like you said, they aren't usually associated with Post-Grunge. For good reason imo, their music doesn't sound much like that. The early stuff is more *real* grunge and punk sounding, and the new stuff is basic big radio rock.
I don't see any difference to other bands in their genre. Call me unbiased lol
Seether and Alice In Chains are two of my favorite bands ever. I’ve seen them both live, and they’re both very good. You could also make an argument that Godsmack is a Post-Grunge band too. They took their name directly from the Alice In Chains song of the same name, and if you listen to their music, they’re very much influenced by AiC. I would say Godsmack (at least on their early albums) were a metallic Post-Grunge band.
Seether is amazing. Disclaimer II karma and effect, FBINS are awesome albums. If you haven't heard their most recent 'si vis pacem para bellum' it's badass. One of their heaviest ones yet.
No matter what anyone says, Seether is amazing!!! Fine Again is incredible. Great video, love what you cover. Glad you brought up Black Sabbath as being an influence to Grunge, I always thought AIC sounded very similar and drew inspiration. I love Dirt, fav grunge album.
I like Seether also! Fine Again what's the song that got me into them. They are definitely a hell of a lot better than Creed LOL
Fine Again is a staple in my playlist. So good, and Remedy goes so hard! Them and Three Days Grace are so good and idk why Finn doesn’t give them their credit.
You guys need go listen to Gasoline by seether🔥 that songs major fire
Their song breakdown is great
Still love the grunge era and those bands were my go to in my high school days. Pearl Jam's Ten and Alice In Chains Dirt, are 2 of my fav albums from that era. We also were treated to MTV Unplugged back then. I'm remembering bands back in the late 90's/early 2000's, like Finger Eleven, Submersed, Flaw, Cold, Crossfade, Linkin Park, Trapt, Trust Company, Saliva, among others. Still some great music.
Can't believe Finn got through this whole video without uttering the phrase "butt rock."
While it may be easy for an international audience to dismiss Silverchair as just another post grunge band the story is very different. I think Finn should do one of his 'interesting histories of' videos for them because they're pretty amazing. Starting of as just 15 year olds selling millions of records worldwide with frogstomp to the alt metal masterpiece of neon ballroom to the orchestral soundtrack-like quality of diorama and the art-pop of Young modern. Silverchair are a generation defining band for Australian Gen X/y-ers and are definitely worth looking into for anyone that dismissed them as a nirvana clone.
Silverchair is amazing..or were I guess. Daniel Johns is brilliant.
I'm working on one of those for Silverchair right now actually! They're legacy is more like STP's in that they really evolved and grew into something completely different from where they started.
Yeah I definitely don’t agree with silverchair being lumped into this group. But I see Silverchair entirely differently since I moved from the Us to Australia 6 years ago. In the US they just never got the recognition they deserved. Very under rated.
I’d say that Silverchair somehow moved from Grunge to Post Grunge. Their first few albums were 100% Grunge then they brought out Straight Lines and it was just a completely different band for me.
They were so good in their own right.
I had the biggest crush on Daniel Johns back in the day and loved how they evolved their sound.
Neon Ballroom is still one of my all time fave albums and it’s deeply personal.
They had something to say … they’re not a superficial band at all.
I've always kinda felt that Chevelle is probably the closest that Post Grunge has ever gotten to bringing the same emotional impact that Grunge had. Chevelle are kinda unique in that they weren't necessarily influenced by Grunge as much as they were influenced by a lot of Alt Metal coming out of the early 90's like Helmet and Tool, but as i said before they probably are the closest the genre has ever gotten to sounding like a band that was influenced by the OG Grunge bands of the 90's with some heavier elements thrown in.
If the entire Genre followed in the footsteps of Chevelle than i'd be completely on board.
Chevelle is nu metal too.
@@GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead2000 it seems like they were kind of all over the place in terms of musical influences, but the best part is that no matter what influence they draw from it's still Chevelle through and through.
We’re not in middle school anymore. Let people enjoy things.
I saw Staind in the thumbnail but noticed you didn't mention them. I think they are one of the better post-grunge bands, and in fact, I'd argue that the albums Dysfunction and Break the Cycle are certified bangers
first 3 albums were super solid. But then they moved away from that style hard. Glad I saw this to see they didn't even get mentioned
I think break the cycle has very well written and interesting stuff and it's a pretty consistent record throughout, only complaint I have are the lyrics, Aaron Lewis is an excellent singer but the lyrics are way too corny
They're a guilty pleasure band for me.
You're a certified flamer.
I was in South Africa recently and found out Seether are still pretty big there, and a lot of these bands still get a lot of radio play.
Also I had no idea that "post grunge" was a genre, so this was fascinating.
Yeah, I don’t know that I’ve heard that term before this. My own personal label for Puddle of Mudd, Days of the New, Creed etc. was “Yeah bands” for how often a lot of them said “yeah” in what would later be called a yarling style.
@@dennisfox8673 yup, i thought of PoM etc as nu metal but yarlers is pretty funny way of putting it.
Seethed started in South Africa, so that makes sense.
Some Post Grunge bands in the early 00s were very Nu Metal sounding but weren't.
@@dennisfox8673 For me, Days of the New is Grunge
I like both genres, they give you different vibes for different moods, which is the beauty of music.
What’s more annoying than any single genre is the tribalism in which people (many who can’t play a f’in note) shit on other people’s art and imply you gotta like the right bands to pass their “cool test.” Tastemakers lol. They should be called “people who can’t make their own music”
So whack to shit on someone else's music tastes. It's like someone telling you they like a certain type of food and you just say "ew" and proceed to shit on it and anyone who likes it for 20 years.
Days of the New needs more recognition , they brought something different to the post grunge scene , that real feeling that grunge had with a different acoustic vibe from all of it, no cliche images or lyrics
“these post-grunge bands were clearly doing something right.”
Yeah, making good music. Just because they didn’t write the angst-ridden naval gazing lyrics that the OG grunge bands did, it doesn’t mean their music was bad.
Staind wasn't angst ridden & navel-gazing?
Punk Rock fans never actually grow up dude. Everyone of them I've met are annoying before I even find out they like Punk Rock. I'd literally never listen to anything someone that listens to Punk Rock says.
their music is bad, and that’s missing the entire point of grunge.
*navel
Unless you meant staring at battleships, destroyers and aircraft carriers
@@ryancoke2519 You win the spelling 🐝
I feel like one of the few Post-Grunge bands that genuinely deserves respects and holds up to this day is Days Of The New. If anything, just because they kinda paved the way for the genre with that amazing first album.
Days of the new were so kick ass. Too bad they couldn’t get along enough to make more music.
came here to say the same
I will say even though I went through a metal phase in my teens I remember growing up listening to bands like Nickelback and Three Doors Down , I actually remember watching the all star home run thing when Three Doors Down played and I remember loving them. I literally remember breaking my moms Creed cd because I played it so much but I also love Nirvana . I think bands like Shinedown , Nickelback and Three Days Grace and others bring me back to better days
I was 18 when Nevermind 1st hit the air waves. I remember thinking wow, the impact of The Beatles could never be replicated but here we are. It felt like the 90's was my 60's.
If anything Grunge served as a good template for future rock bands to emulate, giving fans some great songs over the last 30 years. Trouble is you can love the songs but not the bands, I love some Creed stuff or Puddle Of Mud but I don't look up to the artists like I did with Kurt, Vedder or even Freddie Mercury or John Lennon. That's the problem with post Grunge, you can love the music but the artists suck.
The Beatles never made a piece of trash like In Utero....if thats the direction Kurt was going he went down the wrong path...IMO
@@Rick-ne9os wrong. It’s not trash
@@Rick-ne9os bad take out of touch
I love Alice In Chains and Soundgarden and personally prefer them over both Nirvana and Pearl Jam.
Agree 100%!
me too by a mile
Man I love silverchair! Every album they evolved more n more. Wish they'd pick up the instruments n do a few shows again!
too bad Daniel Johns can't do it anymore since he has arthritis. I just want them to make something like Frogstomp again
@@HoChiMints2007 maybe he could sing still and hire a guitar player? Either way we got the songs to listen to still. Cheers.✌
Love them so much idc what anyone says 🐸
🧡🦇
@@HoChiMints2007 Frogstomp is sooo iconic.
For me I still return to Freak show and Neon ballroom once every now and then after 25 years. I was a fan ever since I heard Tomorrow for the first time in -95 and for me they will for ever feel geniune unlike some of the other bands which I had a hard time connecting with growing up.