The Marshall Sound Vs The Vox Sound
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- Опубліковано 2 січ 2024
- I'm comparing two iconic guitar sounds; the Marshall sound and the Vox sound. I'm using a 1973 Marshall JMP 1987 with a 1971 Marshall 1960A 4x12 with G12M25 75Hz T1221 Greenbacks with Pulsonic cones and a 1963 Vox AC30 along with a 1965 Vox AC50 with two Vox 2x12 cabs with 1964 Celestion Alnico Blue T530 speakers with Pulsonic cones. Both brands have numerous iconic players. Marshall, for instance Angus Young, Jimi Hendrix and Slash and Vox, George Harrisson, Brian May and the Edge. I'm using a 1969 Gibson SG Special, a 2008 Gibson Les Paul R9 and a 2021 Fender Telecaster 1960 Aged CS.
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This aggressive yet glassy sound of the vox+alnico blues is just incredible.
Thanks, great to hear that!
That AC 50 sounds fantastic. So full and clear.
Thanks! Glad to hear it!
BETTER than the AC30! More mids.
with the SG...smashing.
Your channel is a gold mine. Thank you so much for sharing these amazing pieces of history in such a professional way. Hopefully someday I will gather a collection as awesome as yours!
Thanks, great to hear that!
I love Vox and Marshall amps. They both really deliver. At the end of the day it's in the hands of the player and Johan definitely knows how to get the best out of any amp.
Thanks, that’s kind of you! Cheers
All of your sounds and amps sound fantastic! What struck me the most were the incredible sounds and different unique tones from all the guitars and how each interacted with the amps. Well done on a great video/
Thanks! Glad you like it!
I'm a Marshall Fan and User for about 40 years know, but I have to admit the AC 50 sound fantastic, especially with the Les Paul.
Thanks, glad to hear that!
Tack sa mycket, for never getting tired of showing us all this incredible gear. And of course a happy new year.@@JohanSegeborn
There's so many good amps available, but Marshalls for me are the sound of classic rock, clean or drive, you always get the tone.
For me, the AC50 with Tele clean was just the best tone and Marshall with LP on the edge of breakup gorgeous. Can’t go wrong with either. Also nice playing Johan.
Thanks Chris! Glad to hear that!
Great video as always Johan. Love your demo riffs so much. Although I do like both amps, the Vox does the sparkly clean better than the Marshall. For mid-gain, to high gain, I'm a Marshall lover through and through. God bless and rock on 🎸😎👍
Thanks man, glad you like it! Rock on!
I thank God for giving us such a wide variety of great tones to make modern music with for a little bit of pleasure here on earth. I love the fact that the Marshall & Vox tones are both pleasing and enjoyable but they are two very different things.
And by the way, I can tell that you've been practicing. It shows!
Thanks man! Really glad to hear that!
This seems like a British special series of yours, Johan. Both a legendary classic amp and speaker combination. For my tastes, I love the Marshall overdriven with your LP and the Vox clean to edge of breakup with the tele, those just can't be beat IMO. The P90 equipped SG sounds very cool and unique with both. Btw loved that Gary Moore vibe👍
What a great video. No bad sounds. It confirmed my taste (and way i play), the AC30 with a 50's Les Paul (i play mine with a treblebooster in between). What strikes me the most, is that i more and more move toward the raw and percussive sounds of the P90's. Man, that SG sounds great on the Vox and the Marshall. What a great guitar. Life is good, we are blessed that we are guitar players. :-)
Thanks my friend, we are indeed!
Love the a&b comparisons.
Wow john, what a great channel you have for all us tone geeks out there!!! Thats a sub for me. Thanks for what you do sir
Vox+Fender=match made in heaven 😊
Yeah Telecaster and Vox works wonderfully
I know this video was about the amps but that SG sounds incredible 😍😍
Vox sounded so full. Great tone even at mid gain.
Thanks! Yeah really warm tone
Both these amps sound suprisingly british! Who would have figured? 😅
Always love the sound of YOUR ac50 head Johan, been seeing it in your videos for years man!
Much love from the most Sweedish town in America!
Im in LINDSTROM Minnesota, I always live vicariously through your videos, especially your montages of Nature in Sweeden you sometimes feature in your videos as a backdrop! Loved those! Your a real Artist Johan!
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Thanks my friend! Makes my day to hear that!
Forest Lake MN here!
@@shaneb937 that's actually crazy! I'm at my grandparents off the channel off of first lake right now in Forest Lake! 😆
The AC50 is still a unique sleeper. Love those amps. Wishing you all the best from Chicago, Johan \m/
Thanks man, yeah those are an insane bang for the buck around here in Sweden.
Stupid me passed on an 1966 AC-50 head, cabinet and the original chrome trolley for $1500 two and a half years ago. It didn't do anything better than my AC-30 does, so I passed, but still! A shop had it, and they were in a liquidity crunch because it was at the height of the Covid wave, so they were blowing it out to raise some much needed cash. Now they are more than twice that price. Still kicking myself. Fool!
The Vox tone stack treble cap is 50pf and the same cap in the Marshall is 500pf. The high mids are scooped on the Vox, leaving the sparkly high to hear. The Marshall has all that high mid left intact, even emphasized. Fender uses a 250pf treble cap.
Cool, Marshall’s bass models uses 250pf too
Having owned a ‘64 AC50 and a ‘69 Marshall #1987, I really love both! Cheers Johan!
Always been a Vox guy, this video didn't change my mind. Love it
Thanks, glad to hear that!
I've always been a Marshall guy and this video didn't change my mind either. But if somebody likes the sound of a Vox better, that's perfectly fine with me. Lots of iconic, great-sounding music has been performed and recorded using Voxes. And Vox and Marshall sounds complement each other.
There's no reason to fight. Vive la différence! Variety is the spice of life.
The Vox is beautiful and clear. But the Marshall has a great "3D " character to it. I don't know if I can pick a clear winner for myself, but I can tell you that I'd pick the SG over the LP & Tele. That thing sounds amazing!
The AC50 sounds great. I have a 66 JMI era AC50. One of the last vintage bargains.
Thanks Jeff! Yeah a lot of amp for the buck
Great video👍
Thanks!
Great stuff
Thanks!
I'm surprised the AC30 didn't sound better than it did. Having said that, the AC50 sounds stellar...especially with P90's. The Marshall sounds great too, but for me the AC50 edges it out slightly.
I really prefer AC50 to AC30 generally. Those are killer amps!
Both sounded great! Ac30 just more jangly and sparkly
That Marshall sounds great with everything! For the Vox I liked the Tele clean. I prefer AC30s fully cranked!
Thanks Eddie! I am a ‘fully cranked’ guy too. I had to struggle to do all this clean strumming. It’s much harder than one wound think 😆
The telecaster with the Vox amp sounds amazing.
Hey Johan. With a collection of vintage amps/cabs/speakers as vast and comprehensive as yours I think you should start making profiles for all popular profilers, like ToneX, Kemper, etc. You really know how to get THAT tone. Pretty please!
Thanks, that’s kind of you. I will definitely do that when I’m happy with the results
@@JohanSegeborn, not holding my breath, but still looking forward to try your profiles. We all could benefit from that. Cheers!
An unusual choice for comparing Marshall and Vox given the AC50 has EL34s. By chance the AC50 was my first tube amp when I was 17 in 1989 - deeply uncool at that time - I loved it and I never thought I’d need another… until it was stolen - I tried a few replacements over the years but they didn’t sound as good for what I like playing so I gave up and went Marshall, never looked back.
Dear Johan, firstly thank you for sharing your collection with us all. Is the 1963 ac30 a top boost version? I have a none top boost version, and yours sounds miles better than mine. So just wondering what the difference is and how I can make mine sound more like yours. Thanks again 👍
Thanks! It’s a non top boost version with an added top boost, but I run it on the normal (non top boost) channel
I got a video idea for you. I took a side handle off my cab and it sounds pretty good. I was experimenting with taking both handless off, and tried facing the side hole to different directions. Lots of options for roomsound.
Interesting!
An original idea truly worthy of Johan's experimental nature 😉
Thanks a lot for sharing Johan ! I wonder what attenuator are you using, i guess it is the red box on top of the vox ? Cheers !
Thanks! That’s an impedance matcher actually.
The vox sounds great clean
Thanks Adam!
I love them both
Thanks, glad to hear that!
I bought a vox recently. Mainly because of the great price point and something different. I love it. It takes drives great. I need an attenuator with it because of it having to be cranked. But its so chimy the attenuator does not kill the tone. The hotcake od goes great with it
Great thanks
Hard to chose. But if I must...Vox AC 50!
Tele and Vox was giving me early Who vibes. And that cranked AC30 with a Les Paul could have sufficed for a John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers guitar rig circa 1965.
Thanks glad to hear that!
Always owned Marshall , always loved the vox chime as evidenced by the tele clean stuff
I used to be all about Marshalls and Mesas but I've found myself drifting more into the pushed edge of break-up Vox camp these days.
Thanks!
My two favourite amp sounds ❤, my Dream Team. It's Brian May's fault that I first decided to grab a guitar haha. However, as a player a mid-gain Marshall sound that I can either boost for high gain, or either clean up with the guitar volume, is what works best for the way I pick.
Yeah Vox and Marshall have very different playing feels. Marshall is much stiffer
I don’t know why so much hate for the vox here! All sounded incredible in their own way!
Thanks, I think most have preferred the Vox?
I hear all these classic riffs but can’t put a name to them! Killing me
Hahaha! I played the outro of RHCP Sir Psycho Sexy and the solo in Gary Moores Parisienne Walkways
@@JohanSegebornyes… RHCP, now I can rest
Both really nice. Marshall is more scooped but that's just an EQ thing.
I'm a Marshall guy all the way but that VOX sounded better at & with everything! Opened my eyes a lot.
How do you have access to so much amazing gear? Do you own it and collect it or do you just know people and have good connections?
The Johan Segeborn channel is so good
Thanks really good to hear that!
The drivers must be a part of it, but those Vox had a bouncing boogie that is amazing. Like a 59 Bassman or even bigger 6g circuits have.
Thanks, glad to hear it!
Vox is cleaner, clearer and more articulate. Marshall is a shade darker, more of a rock and roll tone which is nothing new in comparison to each other. You can unmistakably hear the difference between them. Good job 👍
Absolutely the Vox for me, but I think that's partially the speakers are more my cup of tea. I would love to see a video combining different amps to see what comes of them cranked. Take for example the AC50, Plexi, Super Reverb or Bandmaster, Bassman or HP Tweed Twin, and mix and match them in different combinations to see which compliments the other best
Yeah that’s a good idea for a video!
Hi, Johan! Today I waw playing on the custom made "Big Ed" telecaster. Tele need Marshall! I like Vox, but it works better with hambucker. LP with Vox are great, but LP gives very strong output. SG its of course the best one. Cool video! See you!
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Thanks man, yeah SG and Vox sounds great but I kind of like Teles with Vox too. Cheers
I own both {1972 JMP, 1965 AC30} and asking me to pick one over the other is like asking me which one of my children do I love the most. Each has their own strengths. The Vox does eat those EL-84s though, the newer tubes regardless of make just don't last. Thank God a matched set of four are relatively cheap, but not as cheap as they were just a couple of years ago. For that reason I play the JMP more often than the Vox. My favorite amp is my blackfaced 1975 Vibrolux reverb with a tweed mod on channel one. Most versatile amp I have, it will do anything I ask of it to do.
I’m a huge Vibrolux fan too
Johan's ability to hone in on an amplifiers strengths is uncanny.
Thanks man that’s kind of you!
Do you notice a difference if plugged straight in as compared to going through the buffer on the tuner pedal?
With a long cable it compensates a bit. I looked at the topic in this video: ua-cam.com/video/4XpY9Gz5kzs/v-deo.html
In the beginning I thought Marshall was obviously better, the more time went by the more I tended towards Vox. It‘s just so versatile and round, even though the Marshall is amazing for blues / leads.
Thanks!
I wonder what if they make a p90 bridge pickup that fits in a tele ash tray bridge ? Don’t ask me where that just came from but now I have to look into it just because. 😂 would it sound like a les paul Jr but that sparky tele thing kind of just thicker ?
Interesting! Don’t think I’ve seen that actually
And just think, Quilter Labs has both Marshall and Vox amp sounds in one 25w mini-amp, the SuperBlock UK! Check it out! Top Boost too!
Have you messed with filtering in pi/screens. Is 100uf too much for a 50 watter with a gz34?
No I haven’t I’m afraid. I love ghost notes and the added character in some cases but mostly I want a distinct tone
The Vox all sounded smoother to me than the Marshall. Marshall seems to have grit and presence. I prefer the Marshall tone but love them both
Thanks! Great to hear that!
My personal conclusion: The cleaner, the Vox and the dirtier, the Marshall. Got a good collection of old Marshalls but never owned a Vox, obviously i tend to play not too clean at all. Great comparison and again it's a prove that classic valve amps eat what you feed 'em. in opposite modern modellers sound good with barb wire on an oak pole. ;)
Thanks! Glad to hear it!
Marshalllll foreverrrrrrrr
Vox sounds better cleaner with single coils and Marshall dirty through humbuckers.
Sir, shouldn't you play Vox into Marshall cab and vice versa to make it more comparable?
I do many other videos. Here I compare the two complete concepts
I think a jtm 45 or an early jtm 50 would have been an interesting comparison . That 73 marshall have less sparkle and more of a controlled overdrive
sound. I'd love to hear early plexi against the those sparkly vox ac 30tb or ac15 . I was ABing a blackflag jtm50 last night with a matchless spitfire clone . Together was nice. I'd need a 30 watt version of that spitfire though to be moe betta!
With the possible exception of black flags earlier Marshall are usually more mellow sounding than this 73
Tell me about that SG wit the P90s please
Hi, it’s a 1969 SG Special with a very fat neck. 3.1kg weight
how didi u setup mics fo this video ?
sometimes I hear room mic, but I see 2x57 in triangle setup
Hi! I used SM57 and RE10 close mics along with a beta57a room mic and s beta57a hallway mic
@@JohanSegebornHi Johan, how much of that string jangle and twang is the actual string noise from the room mics? I can never get that much clarity out of my speakers without it irritating my ears. Is it very trebly in the room? Closest I've gotten to it is TV Classic Tron style pickups. Thanks!
You not allowed to use humbuckers with the AC30? Seems to be a thing with vintage Vox amps owners having a 'single coil only' policy. I'd be a little superstitious too if I owned an old Vox with everything that can go wrong with it. The AC50 has more in common with a Marshall than the AC30 which is a good thing for reliability but it's a different beast all together from the rest of the Vox catalog.
I do one riff with humbuckers into the AC30. I prefer it with single coils too.
Ritchie Blackmore used an ES335 with an AC30 for the first few Deep Purple albums and Concerto. It sounded very nice.
The only advantage of VOX was the tone curve. VOX has better, more Mids.
So vox is more “Ah” and marshall more “Ooh”
But I guess this is due to the cabinet changing otherwise it’d be the same…(?)
I've never been a fan of the Vox sound. The lack of bass and low mids makes me crazy. Like an entire section of the frequency palette was just removed.
I own an SG Special and a Marshall, guess which one I think sounds best...lol
Sir Psycho Sexy❤ Great video as always, Johan!
Thanks glad to hear it!
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Thanks
Both are great but for my money the VOX has more tang and character?
Something about the Vox amp that just doesn't sit with me... There is some frequency that doesn't sound good to me. Thanks Johan!
Yeah it’s a matter of preference
in a mix either work same. to my ears the vox is better
Thanks
Vox please.
Cheers, more Vox is coming up
Vox sounds like BOX! ;o)
i personaly like the greenbacks more than the alnico speakers
Since the Greenback speaker was first made, there always were Vox amps with them. It makes the amp cheaper, but they sound great!
Johan Aloha and Mahalo!
Aloha Victor!
marshal is eaier to get here in the states. a vtg vox is like hensteeth
Interesting Vox is pretty common here in Sweden. AC50s are actually still pretty affordable
Wtf Ac50😮
Yeah! And those are still relatively affordable
I'd rather party with the Marshall lineup, they seem cooler
If I ever had a sound you could identify as some badly made amp, I'd have failed.
Cheers!
Marshall won, you don’t have to watch, especially considering the number of the channel’s author.
P.s jcm800 2203 rules!
vox should get rid of this look especially on small amps
I really like the look but it’s indeed very dated
Vintage is vintage
I have to say, though, that the look of the amps has held up a lot better than the look of the guitars Vox sold in the ‘60s.
cant stand the look of vox
Nobody cares what you have to say
@@mohamedtlass3842 Let's keep it peaceful mate, there's no offence in someone not liking something, that's totally cool. It's just a guitar amp, we're all entitled to our very own opinion, someone not liking it doesn't prevent anybody else from loving it, and vice versa.
@@riangarianga I know, he posted twice short little hateful comments and sounded like a troll
Then don’t get one. You’re definitely in the minority
To each their own, my 93 AC-30 is sitting in my office right now as I stare at it and I think it’s a good lookin amp! I do prefer my Marshall and Fender amps just because it’s the wheelhouse I grew up with and gigged most with but nice to have another crayon in set! Cheers!!✌🏽❤️