I have been watching you for about 2 years and playing sc2 for maybe 3 years and never got past gold with zerg and this season just got to gold and knew it was me at fault but still tried to rush my builds then stuff up panicking. But recently actually took in what your teachin mixed with pigs b2gm zerg and im slaughtering terran now which was my worst match up ty and keep up the great content winter. And most of all have fun
I've returned to the game thanks to this series, was gold in Wings of Liberty and now i keep being put in Masters, tried the "leave league" button 3 times already but the system seems to be really broken. Anyway, thank you for the guides and for make it easier for ancients like me to feel encouraged to get back into the game.
Wow, replays are just code read by the editor, that's... I never really thought of it, but that's genius. Not only is it infinitely more useful than a video file, but it fits into a few kilobytes. Man, there are/were some really smart people working at Blizzard. Say what you want about the corporate environment, they're not stupid, that's for sure.
Hi Shiva, I started playing because of this guide in my placements 3/4 protoss cheesed me but I was able to stay calm still lost but at least I could understand what happened and how to get better
Im sry Shiba. I wanted to apologize for my rude behavior of not saying hello the last time. Accept this Cookie as a gift and, from the bottom of my heart, a good day to you sir!
Hey Winter, started playing StarCraft (Zerg) again after a long hiatus. Been so long I forgot how to make brood lords for a few games.... Turns out I've grinded 3k MMR and am still in bronze despite leaving league a few times. This video reminded me that I'm no bronze league hero after all =( gl hf out there!
I think watching sc games helps a lot with mini map awareness. When i watch winter play i notice minimap stuff as fast as he does. When i also have to actually play i look at it like maybe every 15-20 seconds and a lot gets through -plat Question. Can you build under overlord bile? Also amazon has a plushie bundle for 50 bucks. One rhine, ling, and lot. 2:56:25 winter gives words of wisdom 3:04:10 Winter shows you how to place a creep tumor off creep with drone hatch trick My que times for teams (3v3) are less than 30 seconds at plat level, and thats getting 6 people at a time.
The macro hatch can be placed on a high ground near the middle of the map. This provides a chew toy, boosts larva/queen production, and speeds up creep spread to the middle high ground. It's good for stopping that early tank push from getting too close.
The key for lurker burrow is different, you wouldn't have an issue at all burrowing only the lurkers even if you had your army selected. He even explains like 2minutes later that the keys are different between the army and lurkers.
@@damedley75 ok then? he didn't mention grid, not to mention you should just rebind the burrows if its not unique then. This should be your solution, not 'oh lets not get burrow now lol'.
@@damedley75 If thats true thats really stupid. Something tells me you can, even if it means doing something jank like going into the game files to do it.
Fastest larvae inject: macro mouse: 1 button = screen loc + larvae action then left click to inject larvae. Essentially no mouse drag, and reduces 3 actions to 2. Macro + left click to inject. I use this method for 4 hatcheries. Probably cheating but I love it
Thanks for these videos I was following pig/vibe but I really needed the different unit comps and increased scouting you recommend to take my game to the next level.
hi winter. i started playing the game when i watched your previous low apm challenge. wanted to tell a bit of a trick to zerg production florencio explained. that is hotkeying your select all larvae button to all basic zerg unit hotkeys. so in config file it looks like this: Larva=S,D,R,Z,T,C,H,U. so you just press and hold one button to make a lot of units
Hi Winter. Thanks for the content. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for the next episodes though. I've made it to Plat and would like to see what you add to the arsenal going for Diamond. Or did I miss an episode or two?
Hi Shiba. Do folks think that Frostgiant's game will have as many issues with leagues and such? Thankfully the MMR system works, but the leagues as a mask on top have always seemed pretty wonky.
old comment but pretty much all games with leagues are operating on a hidden MMR system where the league is just eye candy league of legends, csgo, valorant, etc., are all this way (mostly because nobody wants to have to devise their own MMR system when there are mathematically proven options available)
How important would you rate using camera hotkeys for your bases? Ive always just used the minimap to go to a specific base so I forget to try and learn to use them but I can see it being useful for quicker reactions to attacks or worker management
@winterstarcraft thanks for the response and sorry about the atrocious acronym! I meant to say like 8+ tanks at my second lol - I'll try having separate rally points so I can wait then send everything in
How do you deal with turtle Terrans as a Zerg (mass Tanks/Hellbat /Thors). Secondly a shout out to you, you got me into the game and haven't loved any other game like I do this one since. Love from South Africa
Winter love the series of course what do you think it'd take to make ultras good? What do you think about letting them climb up ledges simular to colossus? I'm sure high level they would still be bad but It xould be cool
Winter's balance patch had them tower over zerglings so they could attack too but he discarded that as too strong. I think his eventual recommendation was to add a weight loss upgrade for them to shrink their size - just too damn big
Couple questions. Is it technically better (once you have the APM for it) to have your first queen at the natural place a tumor before injecting? Completely unrelated, how do you go about adding reinforcements to your main army hotkey while attacking without using select all army. Do I just have to remember to press shift 1 when I build them. If I have clicked off the eggs have I done goofed already?
That would be your queen no.2 in the game, and I think as soon as you get it, you want those spare larvae to get more drones fast and boost economy. Or a few roaches for survival.
I normally play dota and use the drag camera to move the camera. But in StarCraft, it's a little different where the mouse reappears in the same place from when you pressed the drag camera key. Is there a way to change it to where the mouse moves and you drag move your camera?
My brother who has been a career high plat low diam player... got placed into masters... I was placed into bronze being high diamond ish. Playing on and off over the past 14 years. What is going on?
Question: What are important drone counts to remember? I really struggle with how many drones I should have if my oponent is on 1 base, 2 base or just doing anything other than macro. And how many of those drones should be in gas and when?
and basically always keep 6 workers on gas per base cause you generally will spend it either on tanks, marauders, medivacs, collossi, stalkers, skytoss, HT's, archons, vipers, lurkers, infestors, whatever high tech dudes you have to counter certain balls of units
@winterstarcraft Considering that Infestors have fallen out of favor for most games and Vipers are very often being utilized, do you think it would be fair to give Infestors Neural Parazite by default and make Viper's Blinding Cloud a research? Maybe even change requirement from Hive to Infestation Pit as a trade off, but leave the Hive requirement for the research. They seems to be an all-rounder caster which you can always build - because you will always have a Hive later on - and require zero research. They seems overly powerful for a unit that is so easy to reach, unlike Templars (requiring tech choice and research) and Ravens (Who has a tech lab on their Starport? Not to mention that they are not that impactful/powerful as Vipers and you need those Medivacs)
I think the reason for the MMR bug is that people with low MMR aren't eager to place early in the new season. There has to be a bronze league, and if the lowest portion of the MMR range in the 1st week of the new season is 2000 to 2800, then that's bronze. As the true scrubs play their placements, the MMR floor drops and the leagues "fix" themselves.
Question (2): I see a lot of protoss players play a similar protoss to what you display in the low apm protoss series. How do you best defend (and scout) a multipart attack? Spotter pylons and warp prism seem to always just evade my sight and I feel like I never split my army right to protect both fronts. Spinecrawlers have helped but I don't want to over commit on them.
i need tips as a terran vs terran my enemys like to trop me and i dont really know what to do and how to deffend after i splt my army i find myself without enought units to deffent at the front how i can fix that ?,. i love your videos you make my days with your jokes
A couple of seasons ago I was placed in bronze for everything apart from 1v1 protoss, even though I'm normally gold terran and plat zerg. Microsoft, please fix.
I completed Terran placement for the first time at the start of this season. Disclaimer: I'm not very good as T, I seek to improve... I get in Master 3 league, progression tracker says bronze, and after several games, still in bronze, MMR is about 2600, which is about Gold? The other day I played against a Z with 250 APM. And he was bronze. We don't have the noobs we used to!
, ignore that stupid persons comment. loud clear original audio quality is amazing. We can just turn the volume down on our side if it for some reason, was ever too loud for a personal taste (which is incorrect but, ok)
Yo I’m trying to use this guide to climb the ladder. But it keeps glitching me into the master league. How do I get an accurate ranking? I tried leaving and redoing my 5 matches and it still puts me in masters.. Edit:ahh so it is a glitch. And it will eventually fix itself. But focus on mmr?
MMR will always be right - unfortunately there's no fix for the border when placed in masters (and it permanently stains your account) If you were placed in bronze instead, playing a game or two to the would be bronze promotion takes you straight to your accurate 'rank' Tldr - completely ignore names, just play to play
@@PJOZeus weird my reply got deleted or something. But thank you so much bro. I guess I’m stuck trying to improve with a masters border making people think I’m good when I’m not 😂
jokes on you i'm in masters for protoss(ironic because zerg is my main but only high plat like tf) so not only daimonds and below watch you though i am for zerg lul
If you have trouble getting people to play properly when you're doing vs games with viewers, what about doing coop games? There's no benefit to them cheesing *you* in that scenario.
Well at 76yrs young I enjoy watching your program. Trying hard to make my fingers work. I like the fact it helps my brain sharpen up day by day.😊
Let's be honest. This just confirms what we all knew in our hearts. Winter is a Bronze League Hero!
Remember to like the video before you fall asleep! 😴
Really enjoying the Masters to Bronze Low APM series so far
Something about him "Giving the the business" to his opponents so dryly, as if it's part of the lesson, it warms my heart lol
I forgot to say hi to Shiba! Thanks for the reminder, winter.
HI SHIBA!!!!!
I have been watching you for about 2 years and playing sc2 for maybe 3 years and never got past gold with zerg and this season just got to gold and knew it was me at fault but still tried to rush my builds then stuff up panicking. But recently actually took in what your teachin mixed with pigs b2gm zerg and im slaughtering terran now which was my worst match up ty and keep up the great content winter. And most of all have fun
Winter when seeing that the latest Bronze League Heroes submissions were not interesting enough for a video: "Fine! I'll do it myself!".
Perfect timing. I just finished the other vids of the low apm challenge while on sick leave and eager for the next to come out. Cheers Winter!
The Creep Tricks segment was giving me massive "Interdimensional Cable" vibes.
I've returned to the game thanks to this series, was gold in Wings of Liberty and now i keep being put in Masters, tried the "leave league" button 3 times already but the system seems to be really broken.
Anyway, thank you for the guides and for make it easier for ancients like me to feel encouraged to get back into the game.
Wow, replays are just code read by the editor, that's... I never really thought of it, but that's genius. Not only is it infinitely more useful than a video file, but it fits into a few kilobytes.
Man, there are/were some really smart people working at Blizzard. Say what you want about the corporate environment, they're not stupid, that's for sure.
that's like pretty standard for game replays, sc2 was definitely not the first game to do it this way
I greet the great bionicshiba for the algorithm
Hi Shiva, I started playing because of this guide in my placements 3/4 protoss cheesed me but I was able to stay calm still lost but at least I could understand what happened and how to get better
Im sry Shiba. I wanted to apologize for my rude behavior of not saying hello the last time. Accept this Cookie as a gift and, from the bottom of my heart, a good day to you sir!
Hey Winter, started playing StarCraft (Zerg) again after a long hiatus. Been so long I forgot how to make brood lords for a few games.... Turns out I've grinded 3k MMR and am still in bronze despite leaving league a few times. This video reminded me that I'm no bronze league hero after all =( gl hf out there!
Another 3 hour video, this makes me happy. Looking forward to binging this tonight
I think watching sc games helps a lot with mini map awareness. When i watch winter play i notice minimap stuff as fast as he does. When i also have to actually play i look at it like maybe every 15-20 seconds and a lot gets through -plat
Question. Can you build under overlord bile?
Also amazon has a plushie bundle for 50 bucks. One rhine, ling, and lot.
2:56:25 winter gives words of wisdom
3:04:10 Winter shows you how to place a creep tumor off creep with drone hatch trick
My que times for teams (3v3) are less than 30 seconds at plat level, and thats getting 6 people at a time.
Greetings and salutations for Shiba!
2:11:48 They should give vipers a water balloon attack like they did templar to stop them from going in and dying
The macro hatch can be placed on a high ground near the middle of the map. This provides a chew toy, boosts larva/queen production, and speeds up creep spread to the middle high ground. It's good for stopping that early tank push from getting too close.
Hi Shiba!
(Edit) - Wow that WAS easy!
Watching winter's video has became a before sleep routine for me
I haven’t played 1v1 in years, so your advice is much appreciated. To be honest I won’t make it past the metals.
Mmm, that music at the start. You sir have good taste.
2:48:00 Hmm this is an interesting reason to NOT research Burrow: Keep the Burrow command unique to your Lurkers.
The key for lurker burrow is different, you wouldn't have an issue at all burrowing only the lurkers even if you had your army selected. He even explains like 2minutes later that the keys are different between the army and lurkers.
@@zurnar1000 not on Grid
@@damedley75 ok then? he didn't mention grid, not to mention you should just rebind the burrows if its not unique then. This should be your solution, not 'oh lets not get burrow now lol'.
@@zurnar1000 weird how confidently you deliver this advice. It's actually not possible to rebind abilities on Grid, unless I'm missing something.
@@damedley75 If thats true thats really stupid. Something tells me you can, even if it means doing something jank like going into the game files to do it.
Fastest larvae inject: macro mouse: 1 button = screen loc + larvae action then left click to inject larvae. Essentially no mouse drag, and reduces 3 actions to 2. Macro + left click to inject. I use this method for 4 hatcheries. Probably cheating but I love it
Thanks for these videos I was following pig/vibe but I really needed the different unit comps and increased scouting you recommend to take my game to the next level.
I am paying attention. Hi Shiba!
Reading from 2032. This series is still relevant.
hi winter. i started playing the game when i watched your previous low apm challenge. wanted to tell a bit of a trick to zerg production florencio explained. that is hotkeying your select all larvae button to all basic zerg unit hotkeys. so in config file it looks like this: Larva=S,D,R,Z,T,C,H,U. so you just press and hold one button to make a lot of units
Seems cool, will try that today!
That is what is done in The Core 6.0. Check it out if you want.
Hi Winter. Thanks for the content. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for the next episodes though. I've made it to Plat and would like to see what you add to the arsenal going for Diamond. Or did I miss an episode or two?
Hi Shiba, hope you're doing well
2:59:20 I see, you are teaching us plebs how to raise our mmr so that it lowers your queue time. Smart.
54:00 you remind me of the knights that say Nee!
I was masters 3 until yesterday. My MMR is diamond 3 but the border looked real nice.
im think the most Important question, for all Zerg Players has to be who, where and why is Jimmey.
Maybe for some Protoss it could be relevant too.
Hi Shiba. Do folks think that Frostgiant's game will have as many issues with leagues and such? Thankfully the MMR system works, but the leagues as a mask on top have always seemed pretty wonky.
Who knows, but if there are races, wouldn't it be nice to have a separate rank for each matchup?
old comment but pretty much all games with leagues are operating on a hidden MMR system where the league is just eye candy
league of legends, csgo, valorant, etc., are all this way
(mostly because nobody wants to have to devise their own MMR system when there are mathematically proven options available)
I became Bronze as well, I was Plat 3 before the season ends.
Same, I was plat on all races now bronze on all races lol
Same
How important would you rate using camera hotkeys for your bases? Ive always just used the minimap to go to a specific base so I forget to try and learn to use them but I can see it being useful for quicker reactions to attacks or worker management
1:40:00 I propose we call this ancient and venerable Protoss technique No’ayu
We are all bronce league heroes now 😌😌😌
@winterstarcraft thanks for the response and sorry about the atrocious acronym! I meant to say like 8+ tanks at my second lol - I'll try having separate rally points so I can wait then send everything in
How do you deal with turtle Terrans as a Zerg (mass Tanks/Hellbat /Thors). Secondly a shout out to you, you got me into the game and haven't loved any other game like I do this one since. Love from South Africa
Winter love the series of course what do you think it'd take to make ultras good? What do you think about letting them climb up ledges simular to colossus? I'm sure high level they would still be bad but It xould be cool
Winter's balance patch had them tower over zerglings so they could attack too but he discarded that as too strong. I think his eventual recommendation was to add a weight loss upgrade for them to shrink their size - just too damn big
Rejoice! Now they will cost 25 minerals less and burrow faster, making them the best unit in the game
Do you use a specific playlist? There is some nice music in there!
Couple questions. Is it technically better (once you have the APM for it) to have your first queen at the natural place a tumor before injecting? Completely unrelated, how do you go about adding reinforcements to your main army hotkey while attacking without using select all army. Do I just have to remember to press shift 1 when I build them. If I have clicked off the eggs have I done goofed already?
That would be your queen no.2 in the game, and I think as soon as you get it, you want those spare larvae to get more drones fast and boost economy. Or a few roaches for survival.
I normally play dota and use the drag camera to move the camera. But in StarCraft, it's a little different where the mouse reappears in the same place from when you pressed the drag camera key. Is there a way to change it to where the mouse moves and you drag move your camera?
I keep saying hi to Shiba but when will Shiba say hi back?
How come changeling is underused by even pros? Is it not as effective as it seems?
My brother who has been a career high plat low diam player... got placed into masters... I was placed into bronze being high diamond ish. Playing on and off over the past 14 years. What is going on?
Hard stuck on bronze! It's not just me lol
@3:05:15 straight interdimensional cable level content.
Question: What are important drone counts to remember? I really struggle with how many drones I should have if my oponent is on 1 base, 2 base or just doing anything other than macro.
And how many of those drones should be in gas and when?
You sometimes do mention how many drones you're targeting but I'd really love an overview!
@@sandergrw its around 20-24 drones a base for full saturation
and basically always keep 6 workers on gas per base cause you generally will spend it either on tanks, marauders, medivacs, collossi, stalkers, skytoss, HT's, archons, vipers, lurkers, infestors, whatever high tech dudes you have to counter certain balls of units
@winterstarcraft Considering that Infestors have fallen out of favor for most games and Vipers are very often being utilized, do you think it would be fair to give Infestors Neural Parazite by default and make Viper's Blinding Cloud a research? Maybe even change requirement from Hive to Infestation Pit as a trade off, but leave the Hive requirement for the research.
They seems to be an all-rounder caster which you can always build - because you will always have a Hive later on - and require zero research. They seems overly powerful for a unit that is so easy to reach, unlike Templars (requiring tech choice and research) and Ravens (Who has a tech lab on their Starport? Not to mention that they are not that impactful/powerful as Vipers and you need those Medivacs)
I think the reason for the MMR bug is that people with low MMR aren't eager to place early in the new season. There has to be a bronze league, and if the lowest portion of the MMR range in the 1st week of the new season is 2000 to 2800, then that's bronze. As the true scrubs play their placements, the MMR floor drops and the leagues "fix" themselves.
The only time ill ever see the masters icon on my zerg
HI SHIBA!!!
I got the reverse treatment. I was diamond 2 Mr But promoted to masters 3. I ain't complaining tho lmao
Question (2): I see a lot of protoss players play a similar protoss to what you display in the low apm protoss series. How do you best defend (and scout) a multipart attack? Spotter pylons and warp prism seem to always just evade my sight and I feel like I never split my army right to protect both fronts. Spinecrawlers have helped but I don't want to over commit on them.
For context: I am currently in plat with about 20 games in and I used to be diamond in 2019.
i need tips as a terran vs terran my enemys like to trop me and i dont really know what to do and how to deffend after i splt my army i find myself without enought units to deffent at the front how i can fix that ?,. i love your videos you make my days with your jokes
I would love to see you use some Nydus worms. Allows you to quickly move your army without a ton of APM right?
"Quickly" is debatable
I got placed into Bronze for my 2v2’s and my MMR is 3300 😂 I seem to be stuck there, too
Last year I was platinum in 2v2. Just got back, sent to bronze, and firmly stuck between bronze 1 and 2.
The numbers don lie!
Omg the “Gold” fix lol
Am I excused from playing SC2 while I finish my MA, or must my study of the blade come before my study of Livy?
did they ever fix the bronze/masters placement bug or did it come back? havent seen anything about it in months
they still haven't fixed the auto master 3 league promotion for many players
Officially a bronze league hero
becket industries no longer in the map pool, please go over what maps to veto again since it was one you had veto'd the last time, senpai
A couple of seasons ago I was placed in bronze for everything apart from 1v1 protoss, even though I'm normally gold terran and plat zerg. Microsoft, please fix.
I love how he gets placed into bronze but my mmr is 2400 and I got placed into Master. These ranks be crazy
hi shiba i am a toss player i come here to bully zergs in d3 and d2
Viper is IMBA !!! Blinding Cloud + Abduct just destroy any defense !!!
I completed Terran placement for the first time at the start of this season. Disclaimer: I'm not very good as T, I seek to improve... I get in Master 3 league, progression tracker says bronze, and after several games, still in bronze, MMR is about 2600, which is about Gold? The other day I played against a Z with 250 APM. And he was bronze. We don't have the noobs we used to!
Dude u videos are so cool
Ok Shiba I'm saying hello in the comments!
, ignore that stupid persons comment. loud clear original audio quality is amazing. We can just turn the volume down on our side if it for some reason, was ever too loud for a personal taste (which is incorrect but, ok)
Ah another Bronze to BionicShiba. My cat is pleased.
The bronze league is where I got sent as well I am 2700 MmR lol
Yo I’m trying to use this guide to climb the ladder. But it keeps glitching me into the master league. How do I get an accurate ranking? I tried leaving and redoing my 5 matches and it still puts me in masters..
Edit:ahh so it is a glitch. And it will eventually fix itself. But focus on mmr?
MMR will always be right - unfortunately there's no fix for the border when placed in masters (and it permanently stains your account)
If you were placed in bronze instead, playing a game or two to the would be bronze promotion takes you straight to your accurate 'rank'
Tldr - completely ignore names, just play to play
@@PJOZeus weird my reply got deleted or something. But thank you so much bro. I guess I’m stuck trying to improve with a masters border making people think I’m good when I’m not 😂
Liked @ 3:41 :D
So, i finished my placement matches and somehow got stuck in platinum after being away since 2014.
Doesn't the league issue fix itself once grandmaster opens?
where are you getting these cute-ling shirts? I need one now
just started back had my second placement and i was playing against 2900 with my rusty Zerg Vs Mech T :/
Hi Shiiba!
How to get my mouse unstuck from ping mode after alt tabbing? Asking for a friend
hold up you can leave your league placement?
HI SHIBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're either bronze or your masters, that's life
3:00 IM FAMOUS!
How do I change my color to white like winter
HI SHIBA! :D
Hi Bionic Shiba!
jokes on you i'm in masters for protoss(ironic because zerg is my main but only high plat like tf) so not only daimonds and below watch you though i am for zerg lul
If you have trouble getting people to play properly when you're doing vs games with viewers, what about doing coop games? There's no benefit to them cheesing *you* in that scenario.
so is this the low mmr to masters challange?
COmeback kid here. 2800 MMR. Solid master's, says the client. -_- Am I platty?
Hi Shiba!!!!