This One Small Detail Cost This Seller Thousands
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- I buy a 2004 Polaris Sportsman 700cc 4x4 ATV after the seller gave up on fixing it and attempt to get it running again. #Polaris, #BigBore, #Fix,
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one seller’s mistake makes our lunch break better haha
One sellers mistake will make Joe's head ache 😂
You must buy a Mustie 1 style motorcycle/machine hoist. They are quite inexpensive for what you get. You are going to fuggk up you knees and lower back,Ask me how I know. I’m nearly 70 and this is a tip from an old man. I bet many of your viewers will agree with me. Keep going Kid,you are on my must watch list.Sometimes you drive me APE SHIDT. You will learn every time you pick up the tools. You are influencing a new generation of trades people wheth you know it or not.
One of the best tools I’ve ever purchased was a spring puller. It’s basically a T handle with a small hook on the end. Makes it a lot easier removing springs. A lot less busted knuckles and swearing lol
You can probably make yourself one.
spring puller change your life haha !
Harborfreight
I was just going to post saying someone needs to send this guy a spring puller lol...like ten bucks on Amazon and I got two...one for home and one for automotive work at my job...there amazing
Yes. I got one in the box when I bought a trampoline for my kid.
Makes centre stand spring fitting an absolute pleasure.
Dang, those oil ring gaps were definitely not staggered correctly, not to mention the one piston had the oil ring bunged up in the groove. As for upside-down rings, have seen it before, took an engine apart years ago for smoking and found the exact same problem. Turned rings around and reinstalled them, as they were otherwise undamaged......no more smoke.
Good catch on that issue, a fresh set of pistons will be a big plus, along with attention to valve seats & seals too. I'd hit the bores with some 600 grit wet/dry sandpaper to ensure a perfect crosshatch with nikasil bores.
Thanks for another cool installment in this video series, Joe!
I appreciate how tactfully you addressed the work of the previous owner, you say….”he tried” I like the way you were not condescending of his efforts, we all need to learn. Thanks and I enjoy all of your videos and always give a like.
I commend the young man for trying, simple mistake we all could make. I do have to say, every time I go pick something up to fix up and sell, I cringe when they say "rebuilt"
Good video man!
Usually smoke on startup and goes away as it warms or when decelerating is seals. Smoke like yours, smokes more as it gets warmer, is a sign the rings are not right. Can't wait to see what you find.
I am no mechanic by any means, but ever since I started watching your videos, I have learned so much and now have the confidence to tackle a job or two and start learning more and more. Thanks!! Also, thanks for taking your time and explaining so much as you go. Love the videos and please keep em coming sir.
That's how you get started brother, you try and fail and do it again till you get it right, and before you know it, you have a whole new skill set as a man. Good luck on any projects you got lined up for yourself.
@@jmaxim80 Thank you!
Im gonna guess he lined up the ring grooves together instead of staggering them before i watch i had that happen to me on a grizzly 700 i had bought that smoked like a freight train that was “rebuilt”
Great video Joe!! I really like that you carry yourself with a great level if humility, acknowledging that these mistakes are easy to make. That's one of the main reasons your channel is among my favorites!! That and of course getting Vinny's take on things!! Keep up the great work!!
Great video.
I'm currently suffering from a period of anxiety and I got to admit I jumped out of my skin when Vinny barked.
My family must think I'm crazy as I had headphones on.
16:20...I was listening with headphones on and I almost came out of my chair....I think my heart skipped a beat
🤣🤣
I knew the kid who had it he rev bombed the hell out of it all the time 😂6500 rpm’s she’s got a limiter for sure !! Thing took a beating.
This video series is a great lesson on how knowing and paying attention to details matters. Every part of the engine rebuild you have looked at so far has had issued, some minor, some major. At this point I would feel the need to go through the bottom end also, because you say the same guy also rebuilt it. Skipping this when you're already this far into things could come back to bit you down the road.
You should create a website that has the links to all the vehicles you are selling after you fix them so your viewers can easily purchase them.
I've had my share of owning and fixing sportsmans I finally smartened up and got a honda
Good catch on the ring inversion. Many woukd have overlooked that issue.
Awesome! I’m actually learning something watching you! I diagnosed the problem as soon as I read the title and watched the first couple of minutes!!
Great video content. I was pretty sure that the seller did a poor job on the rebuild. Probably just didn't know what he was doing. You'll get it done right. I'm looking forward to seeing more on this project. Thanks again for your time and enjoy your weekend.
I did mot know how important it is to not put the rings on facing the wrong side. I learn a lot from your videos Joe.
You need a small rack being bent over that low all day has to be a pain. Nice video
🤣🤣Double Flags, Dukes of Hazard style jumps, Someone was overserved watching fireworks! Great Job!
I give you a lot of credit. Those front plastics were a bear and you pinched your finger and didn’t even say a curse word. How the heck do you do that. It’s like you’re a super hero or something. LOL.
Rings installed wrong will push pressure into the crank case so that will push it into combustion chamber too! YES bro u FOUND & FIXED IT! Should b fun to ride for a long time
I have been lied to many times over the 40 years I have bought and sold power sports. " it has just been completely rebuilt " tops the list.
It was Just wrong
Everything thing prev owner touched was off. Pray he torqued the connecting rod and cranck caps right if he has those off.
Love your channel. Will give me just enough courage to pull something apart and not be able to get it back together. Lol.
Fantastic breakdown and analysis. Good on you for not totally flaming the the last guy.
Boy, your getting to be a real pro at working on these things. Way to figure out what was wrong.
Joe, I had to pop a cold bottle of Miller Lite on this one. Even got a bag of Doritos, sat back and learned and enjoyed!
Super video.
Allan in Columbia, SC
Nice. Starting the weekend early with a cold one
Thank you for all your great videos Joe I have learned a lot from watching you over the years. Thank you for all your hard work. I work on small People don't realize just because it's small doesn't mean it's any Easier
I just discovered your channel and binged on six videos. There was one about a quad that ultimately had a wiring problem under the rear fender by the battery and you eventually figured that out, but I don't believe you addressed the milky engine oil - hmm? I hope you don't take up smoking since you can save a lot of money on cigs and still get the same negative "benefits" from engine exhaust in your garage. Ha! Keep up the great diagnostic work, your videos are entertaining. Thank you.
In my experience the Polaris/Can Am are over engineered and a nightmare to work on compared to Japanese machines. Kudos to you for having the patience to persevere on this.
Serious question are channel locks the only pliers you own.
Good job, the project still needs some tinkering. Great looking joy ride, flag and all.
Looks like a good buy, Joe! Thanks
these tech videos are my sweet spot for sure. loved every second!!!!
I heard vinnie telling you what he thought was wrong with it. Maybe we should listen to him more. 😂
What about those flag lights??? Gotta get those working!
Piston rings rotate as fast as 1 rpm in some cases, the location of those gaps observed during the engine disassembly is not where they always are or will be
While you have that tank off you may want to dump it and check for debris. I had a fuel issue that popped up and found crap in the tank. I never thought to look there due to a plastic tank vs a steel tank that could rust. Thanks for the detailed video showing the simplicity of this rebuild.
Can't wait until the new parts come in!
It only takes one day of running it in the dirt to eat the rings. Just because it's new doesn't mean it didn't already eat it up.
Maybe you dont want the noise in the videos but a cordless electric ratchet would really make things easier! lol your still the man though!
You'd like to trust the seller's info and try to save yourself a few steps but somehow, it always comes back to bite you in the ass!
Hey man love your videos, it's been the new thing to look at while I eat. Can you do more time lapse in the videos?
There must have been a ton of blow by in the case!
Uhm...it'd smoke out a breather or through the pcv if compression gasses were pressurizing the crankcase. Instead, the rings were upside down, so vacuum was pulling oil up the cylinders, and oil was being expelled through the exhaust. You're thinking of worn rings and/or cylinders allowing blowby. That's not the case here.
@mwilliamshs the rings were both upside down ( taper wrong ) and the gaps were also lined up. The Compression will blow into the case. 😎
@njb7209 some compression always gets to the case. Inevitable. In this case, it wasn't any more prevalent than in any other. Research rings gaps. They move. You don't *want* them aligned but it happens periodically in every engine. They move.
Lol the middle ring is the oil scraper and it was scraping it to the top
You should do some electric motercycles to
Nice job Mr. Weber!
The old skool rule of thumb for ring gaps is 3thou per inch of bore or for a race engine 5thou per inch of bore that makes the ring gap 10-15thou and the top ring can be wider than the second ring as it see more heat but having them the same makes life easy. The ring gaps shown here are IMO too slack. BTW you cannot hope to measure pistons and bores with the accuracy that is needed when using calipers.
What is shown here is what was suspected i.e. an oil control ring problem on the last video.. The seller and the state of the machine gave clear signs to expect an amateurish, incompetent build, which has been shown to be correct..
Good job, a few more hurdles and your good to go
Were the piston rings installed with the gaps aligned, rather than staggered? that would explain the oil blow by, check it out, until I watched your videos I would have never thought about that, maybe this owner just never saw your rebuilding skills.
Murica!!!! 😂😂 jumpin with the 🇺🇸🇺🇸
After spending all that money, now the Joe is gonna put new pistons so this was all for naught. Except the cylinders are good. Joe won't even use the pistons as he says the wear is wrong. When taking it apart he said the oil rings were stuck on one of the pistons which could have also produced all the smoke. Three of the rings were upside down and he says this pushed the oil up into the burning chamber. He did say it ran very well, but used a quart of oil in the hour he rode it. It really looked fast but the constant rattle from the clutch was distracting. He will have to take care of that also.
You need a electric ratching wrench saves so much time and headace!!
Don't put too much emphasis on the the ring orientation in terms of how the gaps are spaced rotationally because when a cylinder is right the rings will spin around on the piston once it's running. As for rings being installed right side up, or not, you are right. Get you self an appropriate hone for nikasil and just lick it for a new cross hatch or your rings won't seal properly. After all the work it's worth the few bucks.
If I we're you if that really is supposed to be A 700 sportsman now. I'd be reprinting the Plastic decals in it to. Cause if the DNR runs it and the engine doesn't match up to the information on the side of it. Along with the information about the head swap on it that changed over to A 700 from A 600 sportsman engine now . That can cause some unnecessary.,or unneeded problems due not being properly relabeled& updated paperwork to state that the head was swapped out on it to.
Can’t wait to see the next video after you fix it
I first thought it was a 2 cycle!
Same here. It even kind of sounds like one too.
Love you videos man, if I just had 1/10 the knowledge you have, I would be happy
watching these videos just makes me glad i sold it to you.
You can tell people that you're working for mosquitoe control
(Quietly ratcheting)
ARRARRARRRARRARRAAARRRHHH!!!
Love this beaut Joe,bit smokey brother?😱🤯👁👁👁🤔😫🙏🙏👊🦾
Did you see the Big Red for sale in the Dells? He made it with a 750😯
Piston rings! Check it Joe or let Vinny check it out! Lol 😂👍🏻⁉️
Looks like some antifreeze in the oil too
Clear ! I like it !
My wife hates you cause you take time away from her 😂 keep Killing it bud
It may be oil in the pipes it takes a long time to burn the old oil out
I need your help. 1992 Honda fourtrax fuel screw not the air ratio screw but the fuel screw fell out while riding and I found it. How much does it need to be turned out? Thank you
I was wondering what Web sites do you look up for the specs?
Great video content 👍👍
I think I would of done vacuum test to see were it could be losing oil or Air
Theses quad manufacturers need to design those plastics to be removed more easily
Got the new part's yet?
I wanna see it not smoking lol.
Excellent video
What happened to the RM build
Who else's is looking at that Tecate4 in background!! 🤤
What are those pistons with the K on them?
The pistons wouldve been ok to use with new rings.....trust me ive seen pistons with many miles get new rings......
Maybe they took out valve seals and forgot to replace them. That'll do it!
As I commented on the previous video...
@leewaken5059
4 days ago
Yeah at this point, you can't trust any of the previous wrenching. Better off to disassemble, inspect and reassemble the top end. If nothing else, for your peace of mind.
It's amazing how a tiny error can ruin an engine. You really do need to pay attention and know what the heck you're doing before you do a rebuild! Man. What a mistake..
Ring gap was the issue not compression ring location , I seen upside down rings and no issues, you wasted money on new pistons aswell
Well, I suppose that, after all of the breakdowns and reassembly, you're at least an expert at that. ☹
Which values did u buy
Tecate-4! 😎👍🏼
Great video as always
How do you know all this stuff? 👍
Joe with that pipe the way it is you aint got no back pressure on them valves and wouldn't surprise me if you need to rreseat them valve's
They don't need back pressure. It's not a 2 stroke.
I've only ever worked on my Honda 400ex so I'm confused lol. Where is the cam and chain and all that? Where's the timing?
In the bottom end. He showed the timing in his last vid of this
34:05....haha He lied.. If he bought it on Ebay there is a record on his purchases.
check compression
He tried. But really he fucked it up. You can torque it to spec all you want. But if the parts aren't installed properly. Well, that's why you're rebuilding it.
I would if I could put new rings in it
I guess you want to make sure it is right so you going brand new pistons and rings because your tired of fixing this quad. the ones you got probaly work if you turn them over.
The rings are in wrong there lined up
you need a battery powered rachet it will help you get bolts off faster
It looks like that previous owner lied to you on the rebuilt