as somone with gender dysphoria I think we need a transgender category of sports. just let the trans women compete with eachother same with trans men not that hard.
as someone with a bullshit detector, who'd participate on those? 10 people, thousands of miles apart? utah passed an anti trans people in sports law that affected exactly one person.
Dude, when you said you were a member of the lgbt community, I fully expected you to use your platform as a doctor to cherry pick studies and present a pseudo-scientific argument, but you didn't do that. Really impressed with your objectivity and for telling an inconvenient truth that your own community is probably going to hate you for. Respect.
I get it. There is a legitimate reason for feeling that this here isn’t right. I’m Gay. And I agree that TG persons should be tested for T-levels prior to swimming competitions otherwise it is not fair to competitors. The cis women competing against a transgender woman will probably never win 1st against their trans counterparts. Lia should recognize the unfairness. We respect her right to be herself but she should equally recognize that she has that physio advantage. That’s just a fact.
He's definitely downplaying the muscle mass reduction, after 2 years of hrt (which is the time required to be on hrt to be allowed to play competitively) it does level out to about the same performance levels, and by that time, with testosterone blockers, trans women have lower levels of testosterone than cis women, as for the "biological advantages" the stars of every sport have always been people with huge biological advantages, Michael Phelps has enormous biological advantages to anyone else, because of the way he was born, he's super tall, has a massive wingspan, and huge hands and feet, he's basically a superhuman born with a body built for swimming, he obviously has a massive innate biological advantage but no one says he shouldn't be able to compete. Sports has never been fair, no matter how hard they try, even if they put in 10 times the effort, it doesn't matter if they've dedicated their whole life to basketball, you'll never see a short dude in the NBA, it's not fair, but no one cares about the NBA being fair to short people because it's the nature of sports, there will always be people with advantages, and a slight AVERAGE height difference is nothing to ban the whole group of people for. Even then what's the solution? You definitely can't have them compete with the gender assigned at birth, because trans men would would absolutely destroy the cis women, they would essentially be doping the whole time because they're on a high level of testosterone. If trans women had such an advantage then it would show, which it turns out that trans women perform worse than mose cis women because they are literally on the anti muscle drug, all those headlines that you read, if you look a little further into what happened, a lot of them placed in dead last, that girl in the pregar u video he used got 8th, the trans woman in the competition only got 6th, she wouldn't have even won anyways.
@@yasssgawwwd5643 sorry but you being gay has absolutely NOTHING to do with being trans.. NOTHING. If you aren't transgender, don't speak on our matters (against us, I may add)
As a member of the LGBT community and a long time coach of both male and female elite athletes, I have extensive first hand experience that the argument that biological males have no inherent advantage over females is absolutely 100% incorrect. Even the very best of the female athletes I have coached, who were absolutely incredible athletes, wouldn't have stood a chance against the males. If forced to compete against them, they might as well have just quit, which would be a terrible shame. I'm glad to see a reasonable and rational approach to this subject. Much appreciated.
My concern is also the issue of biological women getting hurt while trying to compete against trans women who have been through male puberty. Sure not all sports are contact sports but it could go terribly wrong. I don't think males or females fully understand how difference there really is. There was a post on reddit about a guy discussing how he would arm wrestle/wrestle with his GF and admitted he wasn't going full out, so she said she wanted him to use his full strength. But then she lost every fight they had, the arm wrestle was easy for him and he could easily pin her... They were both shocked about it and it opened up an interesting discussion around it and how males do try and regulate how much stregths they use against females when playing around like that.
My question is how is this new? When I was younger we all knew this, that’s why it was wrong for boys to hit girls, they were the ones to go to war etc.
I live in Seoul, Korea, where in 1988 Griffith Joyner set the still-unbroken record of 10.49 seconds in the women's 100 meter dash event. This ranks her as number one as a woman--but around number THREE THOUSAND as a man. People don't realize just what a massive gap lies between male and female muscle strength... Edit: Correction, it's actually 7000, not 3000... Crazy
This is an incomplete picture though. People like to point to Lia Thomas winning the 500 Free at the NCAA Championship as some kind of sign of the unfair advantage, but if you go to her SwimCloud page you can see that that win (4:33.24) isn't anywhere close to her personal best, set before she transitioned (4:18.72). It's also nowhere close to Katie Ledecky's personal best of 4:24.06. In fact, Ledecky has pretty consistently been beating Lia Thomas' championship time since she Ledecky was 17; Thomas was 25 when she won her championship. It's not like they transition and everything stays the same. It demonstrably doesn't.
@@NatrixHasYou Lia Thomas went from placing in the hundredths as a man to being at (or near) the top as a woman. Sure, she sometimes loses. But even on her worst days as a woman, she is still dominating most of her competitors in a way she never could before transitioning. And is it any wonder? The average man's upper body strength is 150% to 200% that of a woman's. An athletic male body is a supercharged turbo engine compared to a female body.
I agree. It isn't fair, and its ignoring reality to look away at those biological differences. Women deserve rights and shouldn't be losing their sex based rights
Feminist fought long and hard for these changes and now they got it. And it's not just me talking as we now have laws for that. So I'm not sure what the issue is. Also wonder if these new social norms will allow transgender to participate in woman's boxing too. Hmmmmmmm
I think to resolve this issue we are having with in women sports is to have trans women have their own category so that way there will be no more problems like this that keep on occurring and from there everyone is happy.
@@funanimation8253 then you have the social issue of are trans women really women if we have to seperate them, honestly the easiest way to do this with the least social kick back is probably just base it on the gender you were assigned at birth( yes I know how stupid that might sound)
To be fair the feminist movement engaged in the practice of intersectionality with the lgbt movement. So this was a natural progression and outrage against transgender women athletes by cisgender is ironic
I’m amazed that this even has to be explained to adults. This is a major part of basic biology that we learned as kids in elementary school. Where did the ball get dropped?
@@FormulaProg When politics marries academia! Didn't realize how much things were so messed up years ago. My child watching cartoons wanted to be vegetarian then vegan. When asking why, she tells me her favorite character on a cartoon was a lesbian vegan. That was around 2008, nichelodeon or disney.. Few years later a coworker comes in, talking about a transvestite vampier in a cartoon his son was watching, found out his 4 boys all watch this cartoon. The indoctrination to this stuff started early and long ago.....
@@huntermarquette3484 Any identity-related issues being "political" is a right-wing construct, because identities have nothing to do with the governance of a country. A literal "buzzword", as right-wingers love to throw around. How trans people should be integrated into sporting events is a conversation to be had, I just don't appreciate the clear and completely unrecognized transphobic bias that I'm seeing the comments. I'd say this is majorly the UA-camr's fault, who did not make it clear enough that he isn't transphobic nor does he condone those who are - which you really should do, if you are to talk about these issues (which tends to attract a lot of bad faith right-wingers). Besides, I really dislike when he makes himself sound like any kind of authority on the issue just because he's gay. I'm a cis gay demi-guy myself and I'd never do that. It just screams “pick me gay” attitude.
You have NO idea how refreshing it was to watch a video on a controversial topic that was completely objective and science based. Recognizing biological realities is not transphobic. As you said, this one facet of trans rights is not an excuse for bigotry; it's simply trying to make good policies that are based on objective facts derived from the latest good data. And who knows? Maybe as this is studied more, the data will show that trans-women don't really have as big of an advantage or different hormone therapies can make sports more fair. But has of now, it certainly does appear that trans-women do indeed have an innate physiological advantage over cis-women. SUBSCRIBED
The biological reality is that testosterone makes you a whole lot stronger, trans women have none, and trans men have a whole lot yet trans men are forced to compete in women's sports while having the strength typical of men which is very unfair, and trans women loose most of their muscle mass making it unfair for them to compete with men. And before puberty, male and female bodies are essentially indistinguishable, a trans woman who has been on hormone blockers has never been through male puberty and it would be ignorant to say that she still has an advantage, and the only attributes from male puberty that are retained after 2 years of hormone therapy are the voice and height which isn't even an advantage in a lot of sports and can even be a disadvantage in some, so the only legitimate basis for banning a whole group of people is that trans women are tall, and plenty of people are tall yet we don't have nationwide outrage at anyone else being tall.
@@thorsten13999 they absolutely do but that's not what they show in the news because it doesn't fit their political agenda, look up Mack Beggs, he's won the Texas wrestling championship undefeated 2 years in a row, and they won't let him compete with other men no matter how much he asks to.
@@zulaadler7179 trans men being stuck competing in women's sports is a whole other issue that also needs to be addressed. That's just not the focus of this video. A trans woman who never went through make puberty due to puberty blockers and early transition IS probably equal to a cis woman, athletically. But that's also not the focus of this video. This is about the debate surrounding trans women who DID go through male puberty before transitioning, and taking an honest look at any advantages they may have over cis women despite their CURRENT testosterone levels being similar. It's asking if maybe they DO retain some differences besides hight and voice and using science and data to try to answer that question.
I mean, I understand your points but what about the unfair advantage that genetics give? As a 177cm cisgender woman I have a big advantage over other cisgender women in many sports. In my country the average female height is 162. I don't mean this as a reason to disprove your points, just something we should think about. I would love to hear your opinion on this.
Natural deviations in physical characteristics are what makes us unique. Thats why only few people can be elite sprinters and that is 100% fair. Unnatural altered characteristics are not. If we allow one group to artificially alter their performance level, for example every weight lifter should be allowed to juice their minds out. It does not matter if the altering goes from a baseline up or downwards from a higher level (like transitioning to a woman). I dont mean to be rude but if we take a 177cm tall avrage joe he would probably ragdoll you in almost every sport that requires physical strength.
You have stated one advantage that happens in all sports, just like Michael Phelps has an abnormal wing span but Dr Ryan has shown over 20 including muscular, bone density and aerobic, which is why every record at the elite level in track and field, cycling, weight lifting, swimming etc etc is substantially higher for men. There were only 2 categories that were higher in women, pelvic to height ratio and the percentage of body fat.
You did such a thorough job, hitting and explaining well all the relevant points and considerations of the issue (and this coming from a Trad Catholic). . Well done, Dr. Ryan.
@@Dr.Ryanmd Would you consider a handicap applied to Trans athletes? I mean we appear to have all the metrics. For instance, say a man competes and places 100th, transitions, and then places 10th in the women's category. If transitioning provided truly gender equal results then the 100th place man should transition to the 100th place female, so realistically could they not be benchmarked/handicapped to that baseline? Only asking because I don't think a Trans-specific-league would be watched or field good competition because the trans community has so few athletes for any given event.
@@Dr.Ryanmdwould you consider not forcing trans girls through male puberty? I think that's a more valuable question than any other, and I doubt you took the time to answer it.
Great video! As a cisgender woman I have these conversations in private because to me it feels taboo to speak about in public. I support the LGBTQ community but science and genetics matter in this instance.
@@Chibichunga literally no one cares if you're gay or not, you still have cis privilege (assuming) and I didn't speak for you bc since you said gay and not trans I assume you aren't part of trans community. If you're gay and cis, this isn't about you. She's just saying she supports the lgbtq+ community to hide the transphobia.
I’ve always had such strong opinions about this. As a female athlete and someone who competed in college I feel the pain and heartbreak of some of these young cisgender women. Im so Glad you’ve found an eloquent way to discuss this topic. And it’s so appreciated. I’ve been saying we should have make, female and a trans league that way everyone can participate in what they love doing, but being able to do it fairly. Thank you for putting this out there.
Congrats on playing in college, you must be a great athlete. I can completely understand your perspective. There aren't very many videos where people talk about this topic without misgendering trans people. I was a little nervous to put this out, but I think that we should base these decision on what research says. Thank you so much for watching!
@Sterling Gray, for athletes, so-called gender identity doesn't matter, because it's sex that matters, not gender. Therefore, the term "cisgender" is unnecessary here.
@@stefaniemoses1768 I don’t think you understand academics or how to assess this topic without a visceral emotional response. It’s OK to be afraid of change, But eventually it’s going to become a time where you die and these people you wish to not be there will remain. You can repeat history and lynch them like they did black people, though, sure. Doesn’t stop gender dysphoria from existing.
It’s amazing how heterosexual women have been fighting for lgbtqia rights for decades and now some of those same people we fought for are stepping over us like we don’t matter. Doing this will cause the lgbtqia community to lose some of its biggest supporters. (When I was a cross country and track runner in high school I was All American so I was a bit popular and what I said had influence. Anytime any of our fellow students came out as gay or lesbian or had two moms as parents I encouraged the football and basketball players to not treat them differently. Just be normal. They did and we didn’t have major bullying in our school of lgbtqia students because everybody listened to the football and basketball players. Athletes tend to stick together. It’s not helpful to the lgbtqia community to ignore their complaints. Someone needs to fix this before it truly gets out of hand.
I mean it is trying to be fixed but it's hard to do when constant transphobia is getting put into the argument and blatant lies about trans athletes are being spouted? Also trans people aren't just "stepping over you", they are just trying yo do what they love.
@@josjos-x5s I get they want to do what they love but, when they have gone through male puberty and even competed professionally as a male then decide to transition into being a female, competing with females is not fair. They need their own category or an open category. They could participate alongside females until the number of transger people increased to the point of needing their own competing space/field/pool. I agree that people on the right too often put hate into the conversation but also too often on the left people assume that when someone disagrees it's because they are transphobic. One person even told me that I just hate gay people. Which is so far from the truth. When I here transgender athletes or transgender advocates say things like "Well they(cis females) just need to train harder.", it sounds like, and is indeed, them stepping over female athletes to get to do what they love; even if it is not their intention.
Mam, to be fair, the LGB are different to the T. The same goes to the I. The LGB are about sexual preference as in romantic, erotic, and carnal. The T and I are about gender expression and identity.
@@carmay3600 I think trans athletes are at an impasse, on one hand biological evidence shows an athletic advantage leaning on the side of biological males/people with higher testosterone. On the other hand when the trans women can't compete with cis women it sometimes feels alienating. One commenter did suggest the idea of the trans women competing beside cisgender women, so as to not alientate them, but the scoring for the trans athletes would be separate to the cisgender scoring. Such that the ciswomen are able to have their win, but the trans women are able to get their own bracket without feeling alienated.
Do you think it is fair that those women's hardworking and training goes to waste because a biological man wants to compete with them? There is nothing a trans person can do after puberty to even the plane field You cannot shrink you bones, you cannot go under a certain amount of muscle, you cannot reduce your grip strength as much as you want, you cannot shorten yourself There are differences that are biological that are not social constructs as you might think Bone structures are not social constructs it is measurable and in trans women the bones are much bigger than in normal women and it is not possible to shrink your bones Conclusion In transwomen, hormone therapy rapidly reduces Hgb to levels seen in cisgender women. In contrast, hormone therapy decreases strength, LBM and muscle area, yet values remain above that observed in cisgender women, even after 36 months. These findings suggest that strength may be well preserved in transwomen during the first 3 years of hormone therapy. bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/15/865 This article says that even after 3 years the play field is not even out and this is talking about muscle mass which is the easiest thing to impact with hormon therapy
I’m all for the LGTB community having equality and respect. I don’t want my daughters wrestling, racing etc. trans women who went through male puberty. It’s not fair on the sports level.
One problem is that most parents probably won't let their kids get puberty blockers when they reach the age, so the trans kids are forced to go through the puberty that doesn't match their gender. If some parents were more accepting of their kids being trans and let them get puberty blockers, I honestly don't think we'd have the problem at this proportion.
What about trans men being forced to compete with women? Look at what happened with Mack Beggs in Texas in 2017/18, he won 30-0 both seasons because the government pushed him from competing with men to competing with women. The only other thing is to exclude trans people from sports, which would be a human rights issue then.
@@dakotah8191 What about the transgender men and women who were gleefully fed puberty blockers as children, only to realise that they aren’t in fact trans? Seriously, children aren’t there to be used as experiments for your political ideology. Once you are an adult you are of sound mind to make that decision, as a child you aren’t.
knowing you’ll probably get backlash from your own community. i’m grateful to have someone like you to stand up and speak the truth! the truth is so important! body shape height , and muscle placement in swimmers . if your a male who’s physical body is like micheal phelps , you should not compete against women!
@@CarSVernon No, he will get just as much backlash. You see the trans activists are attacking the LGB. They consider us to be people with "genital fetishes" because we don't want to have sex with trans. We are transphobe (I hate that BS word) if we refuse their advances. They're coming for the heterosexual next. The worse of the alphabet soup is the Q.
@@CarSVernon hah jokes on you. just saw an actual transgender link to this video and she was absolutely wrecked by her supposed own community. as much as i love the lgbt movement there is a very large and vocal part of it that is very toxic. There is absolutely no room for diversity among them. Which is ironic and sad as hell.
I'm a gay man and many of my friends and I do not align with the defensive, hostile, illogical elements. We don't even use terms like " cis gender " , state our pronouns, etc , which comes off as crazy talk. We know puberty blockers and surgeries on kids are probably a very very bad idea ( heck Sweden banned it). I'm not unkind and would always treat a trans person with kindness but I think oppression and victim narratives don't help anyone. America is one of the very BEST places to be be gay ( as is Europe). Only in Western Civilization do people scream in the streets calling themselves oppressed about everything. It all comes off as a bit childish.
A lot of people forget that when you have a trans woman fight a cis woman or have a cis man fight a trans man, the person who was born male has a natural advantage and can nearly kill the other. This is seen in MMA and other heavy contact sports.
Thank you so much. I have zero problems with people transitioning. I have a HUGE problem with trans women in women sports. I played sports, I played basketball volleyball and softball in highschool. We would scrimmage the Jr high boys basketball team and that was competitive for us. We even played for fun, volleyball against our football team, we couldn't beat them at the net. Our only savings grace was serving and knowing how to control the ball because we had training and they didn't, but their height and vertical jumps we couldn't compete with.
@@myewzek2913 stop being willfully ignorant. Trans women Have the bodies and for the most part genetics of cis men and if cis woman can’t beat cis men than how is to far for trans women to compete with cis women. Plus we literally never talk about how trans men compete with cis men. They literally never win because they have the bodies and genetics of cis women
@@marlireid-hotchner7328 trans women are different from cis men, as one of those people take testosterone suppressants. Testosterone suppressants modify the body in many ways, making trans women suddenly struggle to compete against men. There are biological differences between trans women and cis women, but not the same ones as between cis men and cis women. If you want to argue your point, don’t talk about something that isn’t happening as if it is. Don’t talk about men competing with women, when that isn’t happening. And no one’s talking about trans men here because trans men are not the same as trans women, trans men are able get more biologically similar to cis men than trans women can to cis women. Also transphobes don’t hate trans men as much as they hate trans women, they just think trans men are anti-feminist lesbians.
@@myewzek2913 excuse me you literally just wrote what I wrote but longer. After all that do you still think trans women deserve to complete with cis women. Let me make it clear to you, hormone therapy Colby affects things that hormones can control. Muscle mass can be lost but muscle density l, bone density hieght, lung size, heart size, and hemoglobin count(etc) cannot
This was fantastic and so refreshing - I feel like we're losing so much nuance in conversations like this. So many horrible people use this discussion to shit on trans women, insult their looks and make fun of them, which detracts from the strength of the evidence you put forward. I also liked the difference you point out about 'playing for fun' versus competetive sport where a lot is on the line. Your video is a wonderful voice in this conversation :)
And so many trans people only focus on their feelings and decide to ignore the facts. Its a problme on both sides. lets be honest about that..for nuance sake.
YES!!! I am a gay man and I can not like this enough!! It isn’t fair and we do need to speak up about this! Women in elite sporting events deserve to shine!!!
I like the video, but to act like this is some /invasion/ of trans women infiltrating female sports is disingenuous quibbling, largely the result of right-wing media like the Daily Wire. There's Lia Thomas, that one olympic weightlifter who didn't do very well (Laurel Hubbard?)... that's all I can think of. No, it's not fair, all trans women will probably be banned from female sport soon enough, and in the future some nuanced solution will probably be reached. You know what I think is much more important than 'fairness' in already underfunded female sports though? Affording education. Health care. Housing prices. Yet the Daily Wire has people absolutely rapid against trans women because a handful competed in female's sports.
Girls and women, whether it's just a PE lesson or the Olympics, deserve a fair playing field, the right to compete fairly, enjoy competition and winning or losing and learning how to do both with grace. I do not think it's ok to say that only elite level women deserve a fair playing field, but boys and men get a fair playing field always.
True. The thing is Trans women are women too, so specifically excluding them from sports doesn't seem helpful, really. Particulary considering all sports favor some inate biological advantages over others. It's no coincidence afteral that the avarage nba player is taller then the national avarage. Yet I hear no cries to ban tall people from basketball despite there being a lot of people missing out on scolerships too, not because they didn't work harder or had less talent but simply because they had the short gene so to speak.
@@ipsumquaerere6927 But no one is suggesting that trans people be denied access to sport. What is being established is that when it comes to fair competitive categories, trans athletes cannot play in the female category because the competitive advantages across the board are too wide to ever be fair. There may be some exceptions, like shooting or darts perhaps, where there need not be seperate groups. There is nothing stopping trans athletes competing in the male/open categories where they do not have significant and unfair advantage.
Thank you on behalf of ciswomen for this video. As a ciswoman I have been called horrible names like TERF, transphobic, bigotted and my favourite I'm controlled by the patriarchy. I want to include transwomen but not at my expense. I don't want to lose the rights women before me fought so hard for. Im not sure if you have connections to transactivists but I have an idea on how to include transpeople in womens sport. Since there is not alot of transpeople to form their own league in colleges etc why not advocate for a national league where a transwoman can compete against women but their time be ranked in the trans league and rewards etc be distributed that way. So for example if Lia Thomas beats a cisgirl by 40secs you aren't taking first place from a cisgirl. Its creating anither league without excluded them from lining up and racing
@@LL-co3kr Agree. We're not a subcategory of the category 'woman'. We ARE the category. Only women are women and we don't need any further identification.
I understand why I shouldn't use cis its not really necessary and really only allows them to be called women and us ciswomen. Im honestly at the point where their stupidity is making me stop using the word woman and Im using female now. They will never be female and for the geniune transwomen to feel as though they were given the wrong body that pain i wouldnt want anyone to feel but they need to accept reality to grateful for passible privilledge, stop denying predators will take advantage of srlf identifying and let females police female spaces. You dont like it i guess im transphobic and your misogynistic
Well this whole trans league will never happen because people wouldnt watch it, and the cost will far outweigh the revenue. It will be like wasting money over wasteful projects, havent we had enough of that? I have a suggestion. Why dont we banned all trans people from sports. Im sorry but in life you cant always have everything. There are millions of men who would love to do sports as a career but they just dont have the talent. So they find another career. They dont go to play in womens sports instead because they are not qualified to play in the mens game. Its ridiculous. If a man decided to transition into a woman and decided he still want to play sports. Sorry not gonna happen. Find other jobs.
It's crazy to me that if you disagree with transgender women competing In competitive sports against women many will think you're transphobic. I think those people have never been a competitive athlete or they would realize its not
@@itsnotlukehere1223 Gender impacts everyone, trans or not. People have been critical of gender and sex-based regulation before the current trans movement was even a thing. Please stop calling people ad-hominem insults over being concerned about issues that impact all of us as human beings.
@@itsnotlukehere1223 Many people who do not support trans women competing in high levels of sport in the female category might be otherwise supportive of trans women in most other areas of life. I mean there are trans women themselves who are not supportive of this so are you going to call a trans woman transphobic? I think of transphobia as not being supportive of someone transitioning, of being rude and calling them by the wrong pronouns, that sort of thing.
I experienced that in-utero testosterone boost when I was pregnant with my twin sons. It was insane! My hormones are still not back to normal years after delivering them. And my sons have been more physically strong from birth than the other babies I've known in my entire life even though my sons were premature.
That is genuinely so interesting! Out of curiosity, Have you ever had your levels tested? I’ve never heard of this, but I also wasn’t around many pregnant women growing up lol so I’m super curious
@@kat8410 I did beause my hormones were a mess physicially and mentally. While my testosterone wasn't sky-high and had increased moderately, my other hormones decreased. I can't take artificial hormones so I had to attempt to correct this naturally with nutrient-rich foods, supplements, exercise, and regulated sleep. It's been five years and I can start to see the testosterone decreasing - my cycle is almost back to normal and the rock-hard muscle mass I had the last few years is decreasing. I was just tested and my hormone levels are the closest they've been to my pre-pregnancy levels.
I heard someone talking about how it'd be cool to make a digital transgender competition, where transgender individuals will participate with whatever gender they identify with, but their scores are compared with other transgender people. That would make it so that they don't have to participate with their birth sex, but it's also fair to the other sex. It would also allow them to be ranked periodically instead because there aren't very many transgender athletes in comparison to cisgender.
@@alexwilliams2276 It would work completely fine in individual sports (swimming, most track and field, etc.) since it's just a matter of where someone appears on the scoreboard. Team sports would become much more complicated - my best proposal for those would be a "quota" system in which spots on teams are limited by gender identity to ensure that even if some athletes have a significant biological advantage over others, both sides are on equal footing.
Thank you for this. I did find myself getting emotionally defensive due to the way the subject is being spoken about but your approach definitely gave me perspective. Looking at things objectively is way healthier in my opinion. Again, thank you.
@@DC-bp8sx it’s pretty easy to when some people are only using this situation to be blatantly transphobic “in support of women” when they otherwise wouldn’t have cared. I for one agree that they’re should be a more leveled playing field, but it’s not an excuse to overlook the bigotry being shot at trans people daily and from every angle.
@@Enomaru001 maybe it will help both sides of people just accept the truth and stop lying. When we have ‘transitioned’ people who claim that they have their periods and are experiencing menstrual cramps and pms, when the reality is that someone with XY chromosomes, and lack of ovaries and uterus can never have periods or pms. When people start claiming such things, obviously the nobody is going to take them seriously 🤦🏻♀️
@@user-mi8xf8tq1z dude I’m sorry, but as someone who has periods, I don’t give a fat shit. You gonna tell infertile cis women who literally cannot have periods, that they’re not allowed to compete? No you won’t. Because it actually doesn’t matter at ALL.
I've so long to hear someone from the lgbt community to state biologic facts in a respective manner that both sides can understand without putting their repetitive ideals and saying the same thing you'd expect to hear while making different points. To finally see a video like this to me is a video all who argue about this on twitter and so on should see.
Not to mention, biological males have naturally higher hemoglobin levels and increased lung capacity. It’s really not much of a debate, and I’m sad to see the legacy media’s failure to fairly and accurately cover the issue. Most female athletes know what it’s like to have to push ourselves through intense workouts while experiencing monthly menstrual cramps or miscarriages. The testosterone suppression taken by transwomen will never grant them this uniquely female experience. In the matter of sport, sex is of utmost importance. Thank you for your courage in covering this matter with integrity. 👏
the hemology levels drop to equal of cis women after months of hormone treatment. also not all women experience menstration. trans women do experience more pain in their ligements than they would have prior. there is a decrease in our cartilage. can people explain why cis women who lost to trans women also have come back and won against them? no one seems to talk about the amount of trans women who have worked just as hard as any cis woman and yet they still lose. if it is an unfair advantage then cis women shouldnt be winning in any sport ever, yet they do and have beat the same trans women who beat them.
@@allaboutthatbass741 Not all women menstruate but only and ONLY WOMEN can menstruate. Some women can't get pregnant but ONLY Women can get pregnant. Having a medical condition doesn't make one less a woman. But a men will NEVER menstruate or get pregnant because they not woman even if they say so! Biology doesn't lie. You can stop lying and making things up people aren't buying it anymore. It's easy to google what you said and see that you're just a lyar.
You forget to factor in the effect that hrt has on the body, because we're not talking about males vs females, that difference is obvious, however we are talking about males who have undergone hrt, pointing out the differences between typical males and typical females is redundant because trans women are far from typical males, the focus shouldn't be males v females, it should be the effects of hrt, because hrt reverses most of the advantages and that's what ultimately matters in terms of differences. As for the menstrual cycle, many women don't have them, does that mean they should barred from sports?
@@indianamarshal3457 i guess intersex men do not exist? also the ability to have kids is a stupid and invalid argument. have you looked at the actual charts and studies about homolygy? if you did, then you would see that just cause trans women have bigger lungs, their body only absorbs the same amount of oxygen as that of cis women in their blood stream. homolygy is what gives athletes an advantage or disadvantage. athletes who take blood thinners do so cause more oxygen gets in ther. trans women have the same homology as cis women. the ability to reproduce does not effect a race. what about the women not able to do so? guess they are men now huh? also fyi, the absense of a penis and testicles can be seen as an advantage, seeing as the flop around, can be bulky and less arrow dinamic. also trans women do experience bodily cramps. im not saying thatthey are periods, but i do experience hormonally cause cramps and water retention in my joints pretty regularly. still not a period, but still something that can be factored in seeing as you want to go that rout. my height has shrunk 2 in., my hans and feet are smaller than they were, my cartilage has decreased which is a causeing factor in those losses because of hormones.
Great respect for your courage. The times I have tried to begin to offer these explanations, I have always instantly been shouted down as a transphobe. The hate flows largely in one direction with this issue. Just look at how the Penn State women swimmers were treated.
Exactly these trans activists don't deserve respect and kindness cuz they will hate you regardless of how you approach them about this issue. They're narcissistic asses just need to be stomped out and silenced
As a bio women whose be labeled a transphobe for highlighting trans women cannot have periods because they don’t have a uterus. They selectively choose what science they want to use instead/if they use it at all. Apparently spitting nothing but biological facts is wrong in todays society.
The hate definitely flows in both directions. Regardless of how you feel about this particular issue, it has certainly been used by the far-right as a Trojan horse issue to get people on board with anti-trans rhetoric and legislation that goes far beyond sports.
>hate flows largerly in one direction Yea at trans people. I dont see a coalition of trans people advoacting for treating cis people like second class citizens. I dont see trans people going out to large groups of cis people to start a riot. We didnt see 31 trans women get arrested trying to go bust cis heads. I dont see queer people telling cis people that they cant talk or show anything about their partner because it is grooming kids. The hatred you see from trans people are retaliatory. All we wanted is to be given the same baseline respect that your are supposed to confer to all members of a socitey.
@JasonSmith-fe2fx the video is about physiological, anatomical, and biochemical differences between the sexes. If it was a cis biological woman taking testosterone competing against other women. That would be cheating. The effects of synthetic estrogen don't reverse the effects of testosterone on the body. Only limit it.
@@SeanR91 2 things, we know that some women have higher testosterone, like intersex women, secondly, he even said it's from puberty yet he just inserted we should not be "cis womenphobic" because of INNATE differences... that speaks to incredible bias
@JasonSmith-fe2fx those differences in testosterone levels are negligible at best. Plus, you are insinuating that genetics and thousands of years of human evolution would be biased too
@@SeanR91 no, genetics are activated by hormones, that's why children's abilities devised by sex are mostly the same, the change starts when hormones are introduced,. I think we both know this, so all I'm saying just that would in indicate that banning ALL trans women from female sports is just transphobic.
We really do need to show empathy when looking at both sides, but also take scientific facts into consideration as well. Thank you for the video Dr. Ryan. 💕
This has been the best video on the topic I've seen thus far. As someone who has interests in anthropology, human physiques and fitness/bodybuilding I've studied the human body quite a bit and people really like to ignore the science on the subject when it doesn't fit with their viewpoint but on the other side there's people who use it as an excuse to be truly transphobic and I appreciate the assertion that you can still be kind to trans people while still disagreeing with some of the community on this particular topic
Watching a video like this with pure science based information rather than getting it from completely biased sources such as the mainstream news is SO nice. I like how you added your own opinions to sort of solve this issue. Well done! Doing a research paper for college on this topic and I didn’t want to be biased at all. Thank you for the info!
Don’t have to be an expert to know a 6’ tall biological male who has had full developmental effects of testosterone giving him more muscle mass, lower body fat, denser bones, larger lungs and heart leading to better oxygen saturation would dominate a female athlete in any physical sport. Sure techniques do play a factor which is why he was unable to dominate the free style event but dominated others. He had more training and experience and honestly believe he sandbagged a bit to downplay his obvious advantage and have a talking point on how there is no difference between the two genders. And for you to say no one cares about swimming is just ignorant.
@@thatperson278 someone should be triggered when women are losing opportunities to biological males. There is a massive advantage and the science proves this, just as the video states. Would you tell women 100+ years ago who fought to vote..."wow you are so triggered over this" just to pass their concerns off and label them with some phobic just to shut down the conversation?
One thing i find most important in every group of people, every community, every nation, every institution is the ability to reflect on your own group. Even if you are part of something, you must always be able to step back and honestly reflect on things going on within this specific group. This is also what i have been missing atleast in the very vocal part of the LGBTQ community. From my point of view they lack mechanisms to reflect on issues within their own community and to respectfully disagree and discuss. It seems to me that members of the LGBTQ community that speak out against structural issues are often antagonized and receive pure hate. This is a huge red flag for any group, if they lack the mechanisms to deal with issues.
Dr. Ryan, thanks for a compassionately reasoned explanation of something that gets a disproportionate amount of attention for the number of people affected. And the attention is often at the expense of trans people generally. Thanks you for encouraging people to see that the participation of trans women needs a nuanced perspective rather than an all or nothing attitude. My background is mainly in secondary education. I know that being a part of an athletic team is an important part of many teens’ lives. Although I want trans students to be able to have such an enriching experience, I don’t want it to come at the expense of cis girl athletes. The number of trans girl athletes is certainly very small. I’ve not see national numbers, but the governor of Utah said that out of 75,000 student athletes, there was one trans girl. I suspect that the ratio of high school trans girl athletes is minuscule throughout the nation. I would think that some practical guidelines for each sport-and a little creativity-could figure out how to allow athletic opportunities for trans girls who wish to participate athletically while still protecting safety and fairness for cis girls. For instance, the guidelines for badminton or volleyball would probably be different than for track &field or soccer. Some athletes might be happy to train with and be a part of a team, but have other responsibilities during actual competition. These won’t solve every challenge, but they could help many more trans youth than the draconian, one-size-fits-all laws currently being enacted.
All I heard was a load of why men are physically superior to women and no discussion on the effects of feminising hormone therapy has in reducing physical advantage in trans women. Stop comparing men to women. You should be comparing trans women to women to get any meaningful data. And even if there is some remaining advantage, since when has sport ever been about fairness? Can all 7' tall basketballers only compete with those of similar height, or can Michael Phelps only compete with others who have a similar wingspan or capacity to process lactic acid? Also, why no discussion of a handicap system to negate an advantage? That's right, just rush to push blanket bans in order to further exclude and marginalise an already vulnerable community. As a member of the lgbt community, you should be ashamed of yourself.
What is frustrating is when politicians step in and push their agendas instead of letting the local groups of people that should be working on the policies do their job. State athletic boards should be working on the policies, the NCAA should be working on these policies, and professional sports organizations should be working on these policies. This should not be for federal level politicians to be sticking their nose in until the groups that should be doing it abdicate their responsibilities. Even then, it should only be to force these organizations to do their job.
Brilliant take. These topics have to be dealt with the backing of science and not based on emotions, and not definitely by cyber bullying the heck out of trans people. Thanks for the vid❣️
I have researched this topic all week, and your body of work on this has been the most informative and broken down in such a scientific way which you can’t deny but they still will thank you
Oh many people are saying it. But they are being ignored by mainstream media. Check out Blaire White. A UA-cam who says all of this. Blair is not afraid to call a spade a spade. And is also a member of the community.
im trans and I wanted to hear this. I just want to know what is fair that includes as many people as possible. This is a great video! (only criticism is showing PragerU)
This is actually a pretty bad video from a guy who uses a tentatively related qualification to distract you from the fact he has no experience in data analysis
@@beanyjeans909 Oh honey. Ypu just made the mistake of challenging a REAL quantitative scientist. Lets go😈 Lets start with how this video only establishes that difference between men and women exist and alludes to some differences between trans and cis people that arent really explored. We know that those who went through male puberty have (on average) greater bone density and lung capacity than those who went through female puberty. What the video fails to do is question the significance of these factors and how they should be evaluated. When evaluating swimming for example, we see little evidence of these differences being particularly unfair. Lia Thomas's personal best time regressed by 20s post transition, with the current disparity between Women's and Men's world records being just 16s. Lia would've lost the same championship from 2014-2018 with her time and woud have won 2019 by less than a second. Explain why all the actual experts are wrong or maybe learn to do your own data analysis instead of being impressed by some guy's medical degree and assuming he knows data
The scientific research is important to make rule changes for this in sports. But you don’t need much science to look at a female trans athlete and see they still have a man’s bone structure and muscle mass
Who'd have thought that a piece that argues a point rationally using science and common sense rather than politics and emotions could be so successful at making its point?! I so want to be an ally to those in minorities who have daily struggles I cannot possibly understand but wow, some out there make it so hard to be an ally when the first place they want to leap to is shaming and accusing bigotry if you even so much as ask a legitimate question. Thanks for a thoughtful and positive video.
I think that as it stands right now trans woman should get their own league's. We are still researching into this that its unfair that women are losing out on scholarships and opportunities because we dont know enough in order to make it a equal playing field.
You’re using this as an umbrella for the fact you don’t like trans people. Firstly, educate yourself on sociology and anthropology, because if you do, you’ll realize that all of this makes sense. Secondly, have a soul. Have genuine empathy for other people instead of brushing stuff off like it’s not your problem or because it’s stupid. It doesn’t matter if it is, it doesn’t effect you. Thirdly, don’t repeat history. Every single time there’s a change in how human’s navigate there’s pushback, as if there’s a specific way that we’re supposed to do things. At the rate we’re going, I’m not reaching 40 years old or having kids; I’m going to die before I can get gray hairs because nobody gives a shit anymore. Please don’t make that same mistake. It’s really not that deep. You do realize that making the idea of a woman purely about giving birth, having breast and having ovaries isn’t logical either, correct? Hermaphroditism is a thing, it’s just not talked about much.
@@PdoxDV you should have empathy and it's true that are humans that have both parts of male and female anatomy hut the problem is the transwomen that transition after puberty. If it's before then the benefits of male puberty do not happen such as muscle mass and stronger bone density from what I heard from people about the topic. A compromise would be allowing transwomen that had hormone blockers before puberty rather than after or making argue argue those after puberty
@@PdoxDV And what about NO! You're talking bs. There's 2 sports categories MALE and FEMALE easy! Why do we have to have empathy for people who doesn't even respect us and calling us menstruator???? Women = Adult human female, this is biologie.....it's a fact. Like it or not....who cares but 99.99% of humans know what a woman is.
@@scaratlas3347 Or….we could provide ACTUAL assistance for people with gender dysphoria so they can transition without such detriments and stop stigmatizing a process that has no effect on they life
I think it's important that if we are going to have these conversations, then we need to be consistent with how we use identifying terms. If we are going to establish that there is a clear difference between sex and gender, then when we identify groups, we need to be mindful of what it is that we're actually stating. I don't know of a single biologist that would concede that sex is not immutable. If a biological male transitions from a man to a woman, they are still a biological male. The same applied for females that transition. Thus, a biological male cannot become a "transgender female". The sociological argument is that gender is fluid because gender is a social construct. Biology says that sex is immutable. If the goal is to have meaningful dialogue, then It's important that we do not conflate the two.
I’m happy to type in the swimmer’s name and see a story that’s NOT from FOX news. The right wing and Christian commentary is taking over this subject. If we as liberals “follow the science,” we need to be consistent.
Thank you for this level headed and very scientific look at this issue. Personally, if they want to compete I have no problem with that but they need their own leagues. We have mens sports and womens sports because of the physical differences that exist, so having trans sports wouldn't be that odd I think, just another league for those that want to compete. We also have paralympic sports leagues, so adding another league wouldn't be that odd. I DO think that trans men and women ARE men and women, but they are also physically different and they need a place where they can compete against others like themselves, make it fair for all. And I know that the numbers issue will come up, but everyone has to start somewhere. There weren't that many female competitors for things when women were allowed to compete in sports but they persevered and over time gained more members. So it's not that farfetched. But if you say that still won't work, having a sports category for Open Competition, where anyone of any gender can compete, that might work but I think it would have to be something like boxing, where you have "weights" and compete against others that match your level/skill and size.
Genuine question, when you say trans league do you mean a transwomen's and transmen's league respectively? Because if we combine all trans people into one category that's honestly kind of causing the same issue I fear
Very well said and balanced presentation. I am a healthcare professional working with elite athletes for 30 years. These issues are real and need to be worked out.
This is by far the best, most articulate, most scientifically grounded, least emotionally loaded perspective I have ever seen or heard on this subject. Lord how I wish every controversial subject could be approached in this manner.
genuine question- what about trans men? is it unfair for trans men to compete in mens competitions, since they (probably) went through female puberty? or would it be unfair for them to compete in womens competitions since they have testosterone?
They wouldn’t come close to cis men, but their testosterone therapy would be considered doping and give them an unfair advantage over other females (like steroids). I think we need third categories for trans folks tbh.
@@idunsgarden so really, its unfair for trans men to compete with cis men if they went through female puberty, but unfair for cis women to compete with trans men as well? do you think scientifically trans men and trans women would be fair to compete with each other? thank you for responding respectfully :)
@@madelynhanes5759 I’m not the person who you’re replying to, but I think the only way trans participation is fair is by creating a trans league. In a trans league everyone has agency over their participation and bargaining power, and there’s no downside. I’d personally love to see a trans league match of any sport. Doesn’t take away from the integrity women’s sport and let’s the trans athlete’s talent shine versus their personal transition.
This is why I always am of the opinion that either, as you suggested in the video, a league specifically for trans women is made available, or each trans athlete that wants to compete is evaluated on a case by case basis, so that trans women who did not go through male puberty aren’t given unfair disadvantages.
The fact that all you said in this video (and I mean everything, from "be nice to each other" to there is science and evidence and it is not transphobic to say that") needs to be said out loud just blows my mind. It shows how much these issues have been politicized to make people go against each other. Thanks for the video!
Everyone used to box around the bonfire at social gatherings in my old friend group, and one time our butch friend thought she could hang. I was 125 with basically no training other than how to put power into a punch at the time, and it was an absolute wash. A 125 Lb man in good shape can literally pick up a 300 lb person by the waist and walk around with them. A 200 lb woman can barely pick up said 125 lb man in most cases. There is no contest.
Dr Ryan, thank you sooo much for being sensitive to trans people while also acknowledging science as well. I know it's a delicate subject, but you nailed it.
Thank you Doc! For bringing compassion, kindness, as well as intellect and fairness (why do we continue to insist we have to choose between them???) to a very tricky subject. We will all be (hopefully) around to work our way thru this adolescence in society. Blessings!
We have to because the crazies look at biological fact and see physical violence. If the reaction is the same, either way, I may as well have some fun at their expense.
I really respect you and your video!! Thank you. This whole thing with Lia Thomas is making me and millions of other non-trans-phobic normal people very angry because it is so so unfair to the women who have trained their whole lives as Cis Gender Biological Females. Feminists should be outraged!! I am not sure what solution can be made for Trans women, but them absolutely spanking Cis Gender women and breaking tons of NCAA records is simply madening. I give you total mad props for speaking the truth in love and being totally honest. People who say there are no differences between male and females are either lying out their teeth or have never watch sports across both genders or must be horribly clueless in how the world works.
Are you sure that the problem here isn't just that you believe being transgender is a sin? Also, in my experience, most Christian traditionalists don't care about women's sports or believe women should even be in sports to begin with.
@@technoloverish I don’t know what you pretend to know about me. I’m a college athlete who values equality between men and women’s sports. Women have real rights and if it was swimming or badminton or ping pong, cis women ought to compete against cis women. My interest in womens swimming is a mute point. My beliefs are mute as well, a red herring. Your comment is mute. I love women, I married one and think they are wonderful and ought to have a fair playing field. Why so judgmental? Why so self-righteous?
@@technoloverish no because I’m not dumb. Those factors are only a part of supply and demand unfortunately. Teams literally cannot and networks literally cannot. If female sports were equal in abilities then supply and demand would likely be equal but they are not. Let’s not be silly.
@@technoloverish you do realize the pay that female athletes earn is totally on them right? 1. they are being paid more then what they earn 2. unlike the men, the women rarely go back to their contract and demand higher pay.
Bro so much respect on how u put this video together it took away a lot of the stereo types I have for the lbgt community respect on all levels keep it up
0. I appreciate the frequent disclaimers that issues regarding marginalized communities need to be addressed with care and kindness. 1. Being in the broader LGBTQ community doesn't necessarily mean anyone can speak properly for transgender individuals. You do present your stance as a evidence-based opinion which I thoroughly appreciate, because evidence holds regardless of how you identify. But in general, I don't feel comfortable speaking for Black people at large _as_ a Black person. No group is monolith, even when we acknowledge and accept scientifically relevant evidence. Because even evidence must be weighed properly with other factors such as values. Boiling some discussions down to simple scientific evidence can create a purely utilitarian approach to solving problems that becomes less "human." 12:00 2. I also fight this tendency, but you don't need to earn the respect of straight people who don't value you in the first place. It is good to want to base your opinion in fact and acknowledge matters that don't always bend an argument to "let you get your way." But I would say to do that for yourself and for truth and not for the majority. You don't need to earn our respect as people. You should have that as default as people. 3. And more specifically, a transgender league or division of sports isn't feasible for a couple of reasons, and it's deeply problematic for one other: 3a. There's not enough transgender athletes at any level of competition to create a league. Especially at the school level where people are still trying to identify their identities. 3b. Even if you had enough folks for a transwoman or transman league, you'd have to find resources for leagues when ciswomen already have trouble having resources for their own leagues to play professionally. You'd likely have even fewer resources and sponsors to support the league and competitions. 3c. This also doesn't quite consider how people identify and present and transition. In the same sense that not every trans person wants to use HRT or present as a man or woman to identify outside of binary gender, trans athletes may not want to effectively dope "up" with testosterone or dope "down" or have surgery to play. That's more of a concern at elite levels of competition, but it is a consideration: trans and how trans people present is _broad._ 3d. And even with consideration of the physical differences between men and women (and as you mentioned, those who are intersex and those like Caster Semenya who do not know they were intersex, because your first birthday gender assignment is very often the equivalent of that "How I Met Your Mother" meme), creating a broad, formalized league "othering" people who are deeply marginalized may do more harm to the trans community than the relatively few transwomen athletes that dominate women's sports (because despite the general differences between the broader two sexes, not every transwoman dominates in her sport.) In fact, that sad, White girl (Chelsea Miller) who was beaten by by transgirl athletes in TRACK? The girl you showed a lot in this video? She later *_BEAT_* one of the trans athletes she's suing in the 55-meter dash to win her class title. My point is that if there's a solution, it's going to be best if it's nuanced solution that isn't broad inclusion or exclusion with the understanding that competitive sports are inherently unfair for reasons outside of identity, puberty, and hormones. Like training facilities, income, size differences within cisgender athletes, and many more. The science must definitely be part of the discussion, but it's not sufficient to broadly say trans athletes shouldn't ever be able to participate with cis athletes, even at elite levels of competition.
As a transgender woman I totally agree with the findings. However, we have to distinguish between transgirls who transition before and those who transition after puberty. Thus, it is not correct to simply ban all transgirls in female sports. Each case has to be considered separately before making a decision.
This was awesome man. Everything about who you are, between being a doctor and being part of that community, I feel really makes you an objective voice on the subject. People like you are the right kind to be making videos like this. Thankyou for posting this. I know the video is a year old but still wanted to applaud you on it.
The statistic that shows that 14/15 year old boys will beat adult females is even more crazy than it initially seems. Because it's not just that they are biologically advanced, they are so advanced that they can even make up a lack in skill and technique that adult women have over them as they have trained longer and are also smarter. The argument of transphobia is mostly ridiculous. If people were transphobic, they would be against trans atheletes in general. But it's only trans women that get targeted because trans men come to the playing field with a disadvantage, so most people don't care if they compete in the same league. The very vocal advocates are actually and ironically hurting the cause more than they are helping it. Because in the end, I'm very much a libertarian. You are free to live your life as you want as long as you don't hurt anybody. But trans females do when it comes to sports.
This is the most balanced video I think I've ever seen on any controversial subject on UA-cam. I was definitely on the fence, thinking how beneficial participation in team sports can be for mental health, but now I'm seeing a different perspective. Thank you for this!
See, this is how you have this conversation. You bring facts while you lead with empathy. I am part of the LGBT+ community too and hate how both sides tend to argue their points. One side tends to lack empathy while the other refuses to acknowledge certain facts and factor it into their argument. Like, the trans community is subjected to so much hatred and the discourse around whether trans women should compete in women's sports is saturated with so many bad faith actors that the conversation becomes diluted. In my opinion, this is not the biggest issue facing the trans community and it is certainly blown out of proportion by certain reactionaries. With that being said, it is valuable that we have it and look at the data as objectively as possible to come to some sort of conclusion. It is important to maintain fairness while being human about it.
The trans women will one day be playing a contact sport with a woman. Does she have to die or get seriously injured before you think it’s a serious issue? Not to mention that small little fact, that this is another attempt to erode women’s rights
It’s more like the straw that broke the camel’s back. It’s a number of things that snowballed. such as women spaces such as locker rooms, bathrooms and sororities houses were the Tran women make the rest of the group uncomfortable. Too many demand that those who are sexually attracted to women must date them because they are “women”.
I do strongly object to this term 'cisgender women'. Why should biological women have to put up with having our sex broken up into pieces to accommodate some dissatisfied men? I have no problem with a man identifying as a woman, but I do have a problem with a man identifying as female then dissing biological women and particularly our female atheletes who have worked hard for their competition position on a level playground to other female atheletes. The Australian rugby player who identifies as a woman but has fathered three children, still has his genitalia and lives with his wife and children. Transgender atheletes and in any other area of competition should have their own category or the atheletic boards need to bring in mixed events with weight classes as in boxing.
Problem is, many states in the USA are banning trans people from school sports in general, even when it's not competitive, but simply participating in the training.
I am so glad we have athletes weighting in on this. Also I know it was implied but for contact sports people could be seriously injured with bone density differences. Do people think that if a person (such as Jazz Jennings, as referenced below) who didn't go through puberty as a male, should be allowed to be on a female team? She's not super into sports now but I'm not sure how things would have turned out if she stayed with soccer. Would this muddy the waters and cause people to transition earlier?
@@MichelleCallahan I personally think people like Jazz should be able to compete with cis women as I don't think there is a huge difference between men and women before puberty. I agree with Dr. Ryan in that there should be research into it though. I'm sure it'll confirm that early transitioning MtF people are basically the same as cis women when it comes to their ability to play sports.
I definitely think that someone like Jazz would have a different experience. I think it would be great to look into research for kids that transition before puberty. In general, it’s not as common to transition at a younger age, but if you do say before puberty, there most likely is in that same advantage
@@MichelleCallahanmany intersexual differences are already created prenatally. As soon as the development is induced in female or male, so from about the 6th /7th week of pregnancy. Jazz Jennings also has gender-based advantages over females.
But that is not what TRAs want. They say TWAW and therefore TW must have access to women specific spaces...It is political and not based on biological/medical facts or common sense but on ideological worldviews.
Totally agree Dr. Ryan. It is the phobia that I hate, the use of attacking words and attacking actions. Focus on the system as this is where the problem resides. There are classes in most sports so, perhaps evaluation before a competition to class a person would be reasonable. Some sports may not need this system and some will but this depends.
It's pretty basic shit. It's not fair and should not be allowed, they need their own division. There's a reason why you don't hear trans-men obliterating men, how trans woman are beating biological woman. It's not fair to take away a womans only safe place like that. I support trans people and the equality they deserve to have but it's heartbreaking to see woman who work their entire lives to compete and get the notority for it just to be beat by a man who transitioned 2 years ago.
@@daMillenialTrucker I expressed gratitude for the objective content because it offered information that was not only personally enlightening, but that I also feel comfortable referencing in future conversations. As a woman (cisgender female) who was a competitive multi-sport athlete throughout my entire academic career… & who practiced mixed martial arts at a competitive level for several years (followed by nearly a decade of practicing/training recreationally/socially)… AND who is also an ‘out’ member of the LBGTQ+ community (I also have personal, professional & academic affiliations with both UK & UPenn sooo yeah… it’s been a hot button topic of late, to say the least), I know that this topic is one that is likely to be passionately discussed/debated with increased regularity moving forward. I prefer not to engage or voice an opinion where I feel that I lack at least a objective, knowledgeable foundation…
The sexes are separated for fairness. Honestly mainly fairness for the girl/women. Its like weight classes in fighting sports. It wouldnt be fair to put a light, lean fighter up against a heavy, muscular fighter. So putting someone with a biological advantage over the majority of participants is so unfair. Biological women finally reached a point where we had so many rights afforded us.
Even a man and woman of the same height and weight wouldn’t be able to compete. Men have so many physical advantages over women. It’s just biological fact.
I agreed with everything you said, except the last part where individual sports should assess their own rules/adjustments based on the innate differences, precisely because of what you said through the whole video. Even though the differences are small, they still make a difference. I think of it, in some sports, not all, like weight classes. 1Kg may make you go up a class, where you can struggle against someone heavier but it's in that range, but the reverse is true as well, where someone may struggle against you due to the same reasons. If we really want to be inclusive, and there's 0 reasons for people not to be inclusive, the only fair thing to do is to create a trans category, otherwise, trans men and/or trans women will always have, on most of the cases, an advantage in case of trans women competing in women's sports, or a disadvantage in case of trans men competing o men's sports (although oddly enough, we don't here as many cases of the latest...), and this is not being offensive, it's just reality. Anyway, even thought I disagree with you on the very last topic, I enjoyed the video and content!
Here is my take as a gay man, technically a member of LGBT community but I don't want to associate myself with them. 1. I support transition, but transwoman is not a woman. Woman mean human female. 2. Intersex is people born with ambiguity. There's no third sex or third gamates, only sperm and ovum. 3. Don't want to date transpeople is not transphobic. 4. Transwoman shouldn't compete in woman sport regardless of their hormone level. 5. Pronouns is "earned" not chosen. It mean if a transwoman is presenting herself as a woman, then I will use she/her. I realize this is problematic since not everyone have the money to afford surgery.
An activist looks for evidence that support their preconceptions in pursuit of affirmation. A scientist looks for evidence that refutes their preconceptions in the pursuit of truth. Thank you for being a scientist!
Hye guys,please help me form my opinion based on logic and facts I have a question,i stumbled upon a video,where an argument was made that even differences races have different bone density,so why all men teams are not segreted So does anyone has a strong counter argument for that? Please provide factual,and scientific approach to the argument Thanks in advance
@@MissionTapasya Why do you think so few Chinese players are in the nba? They have their own league with many players with lower bone density, height, weight etc.. The short answer is, the segregation occurs naturally. Which is just more proof that bone density is a significant factor, at least in this sport.
There is no need for a Trans Sports category, just make the men's category, open to all, women, men, trans women, trans men and intersex people, then keep the women category with just biological women.
They already all. Every "men's" category is actually open. Any and all are welcome to compete, regardless of sex or gender. But due to men's biological advantages, it's virtually impossible for women to have a chance to compete, so the open category ends up as all men. The same is true for mental competitions such as chess, due to men having larger / smarter brains.
Holy shit! You not only approached the trans-sport topic fairly, you also addressed the silliness of both sides slinging ad hominems at each other for not agreeing with their "side". I love it. We need to go back to our "you do you" roots. I'm a firm believer that we should all try to engage people as humans first, actions second, and then all the extra stuff we identify with (or as) as tertiary. But I guess even that statement I just made is a little too simplistic... I like your nuanced breakdown of the situation a lot. Great video!
As a thought for this disparity, when women were first allowed to become police, firefighters, and elite military, there was a different measure for skills between men and women. A woman doing the same task was measured at a different level from the men. Through an obstacle course, men and women have a different time to qualify. Women have a lower time. As an example, men need to do the course in 4 minutes, but women need to do it in 4 1/2 minutes. Rather like women's tees in golf. Perhaps transwomen could be given a different time to finish a race, or seconds added to their time. This wouldn't work for a lot of elite sports, but perhaps it could work in others. Just a thought.
This is an excellent video! Very educational! This situation with Lia Thompson is causing such an uproar. What about the transgender boxer Fallon Fox who broke the skull of the biological female Allanna Jones? Perfect example of why it’s wrong for transgender female to compete in the same sports as biological female.
Isn't it oh so ironic that we're not seeing females identifying as male's competing in male sports. So in a nutshell, men can carry on in their respective sports unhindered by gender identity politics, but women are just expected to shove over.
Actually it's the "female victim" complex + general misandry trans men in bathrooms and locker rooms are not being called predators, their not peeping on the vulnerable men or boys just as trans boys are just fine in their respective sports, no one cares because saying "we need to protect _our_ men" is an uncomfortable/"wrong" thing to say, saying this won't get you viewed nearly as much as "_our_ women are endangered" as only BIO MALES🤬😡are able to commit great violence.😒 it about controlling femininity, as well as garnering an emotional response to further ones own standing in any setting. trans-women statistically underperform in sports and have been playing them for decades, flying totally under the radar for some totally magic reason[politics]the 2 trans in the beginning both lost to a cis-women at that track meet, a trans woman lost to an 8yold in a skateboarding competition. splitting categories wouldn't really work as their just not enough trans women playing in these sports to form any kind of actual team or anything else worth watching. as a more permanent slow moving fix, allowing trans people to transition earlier than the norm right now, being after puberty has taken place and wreaked absolute havoc on a trans kids image; would effectively get rid of this issue.
After reading more papers on the subject, I must assert that the paper sourced for these conclusions (Hilton, E., & Lundberg, T.) (hereafter shortened to H,E,L,T) is full of methodological errors. This paper (linked below) is a litterature search requested by some official Canadian agency about sports, and the paper thouroughly demonstrates the short comings of the paper sourced for this video. In appendix A of the paper I found, It goes over well nigh every other paper on the subject in brief and summarizes them. The issues included in H,E,L, T are many. For example: They use grip strength as a proxy for overall strength which is not comparable. Their data includes women who've been on HRT for only two months, and use that data to claim that twelve months is not enough. They assume pre-transition trans women are comparable to cis men, when they are not at all comparable in some areas. They claim the Q angle give athletic advantages, when there is no evidence to support that assertion. They claim that bone density confers athletic advantagese when that is not supported. They claim that trans women reatin an advantage in lung size, but fail to contorl for height and ignore data that finds that lung size is not a proxy for endurance. They fail to effectively control their studies, either not acounting for height and weight at all, not controlling for other measures, or just doing so improperly. They fail to account for the fact that nearly every trans women who suppresses testosterone ALSO takes supplemental estradiol, which makes their body fat nearly identical to cis women. They often say that trans women retain the hemoglobin levels of cis men, when that is just outright false, and the paper I found has several studies concurrently demonstrating that. FInally, they have excluded data that contradicts them. There were other issues that were harder for me to understand, so I won't assert them with confidence. Furthermore, the scientific review describes the paper as more akin to an argumentative essay than a scientific review, and some of the studies failed to disclose that they had been funded by anti-trans hate groups. The scientific review is called "Transgender athletes and elite sport: A scientific review" adn a link can be found to it here: www.cces.ca/sites/default/files/content/docs/pdf/transgenderwomenathletesandelitesport-ascientificreview-e-final.pdf I appreciate your attempt to look at this matter objectively, but unfortunately your source of information has many issues, I urge everyone to check out the scientific review I found and to change your mind. If you are actually acting in good faith I hope you will see the truth.
First time on your page but I’m intrigued and genuinely agree, I agreed to this idea since transgender athletes were allowed in extremely competitive sports(obviously not hate to trans) but the boost in muscle mass and body building makes a gap in the playing field that is just unfair
Thank you for watching, Kayla! I agree. We can support trans people and still question the ethics of trans women in competitive sport settings where cisgender women are defeated.
how many women can be cheated out of a future in swimming when there is ONE transfemale swimmer in the entire country? One at the most... and the one who was the least capable to begin with is the one who would be dropped - the one who wouldn't have won anyway.
This was the best video I've ever seen on this subject. You kept to the science while at the same time being respectful and empathetic to trans women. You, sir, are an invaluable asset to the UA-cam science community.
I'm not a doctor, but I suspect Trangender leagues are going to be equally problematic depending on when the transition happened. Those who transition later are going to have an advantage over those who transition earlier, no matter their current hormone levels.
My first thought was classes like they have for weight in boxing/etc. But idk, I feel like it would get too touchy if we require them to disclose their transition age?? Idk what to do tbh.
As a trans-female and feminist I'm glad you made this video and unpacked every aspect of this topic and even mentioned why can't we find solutions to make things fair for born females and still compete agree with you 100% and I think we trans females should have our own sports and trans males should have theirs everyone should be looked at closer, by hormonal and physical attributes.
The thing that's always stuck out to me is that the vast majority of people seem to be a-ok with other biological advantages in sports (height, leg/arm length, etc.), yet it's suddenly an issue when it comes to trans athletes. And instead of advocating for changing the categories that divide athletes into things like weight classes that would actually make competitions more fair (not only in terms of trans women vs cis women, but in general), most people just want to either bar trans women from women's sports entirely or force them into their own competitions. From what I've seen, that's the thing that most trans women are actually angry about whenever this topic is brought up. Most people don't actually care about "fairness" in sports; they're just using that as an excuse for their transphobia.
People definitely use the sport-argument as a way to perpetuate hate against the trans community. When it comes to other non-sex based advantages, I’d argue professional female athletes are top performers because they all possess biological advantages. It’s not unfair to other women that don’t make it professionally, it’s the nature of sports. Sports are centered on physical ability, therefore the strongest and fittest women will be on top. Records are broken, because another woman with a greater advantage than the woman before wins, or her performance is optimized in some way. Even so, the top performing women still fall short against some trans athletes because the peak physiological ability for male biology is still higher than the the peak ability for woman. This doesn’t mean every trans woman has a biological advantage over every cis woman, but it means the peak potential on average is different. Women may have certain biological advantages to other women, but the best woman still doesn’t beat out the best man in sports.
as somone with gender dysphoria I think we need a transgender category of sports. just let the trans women compete with eachother same with trans men not that hard.
as someone with a bullshit detector, who'd participate on those? 10 people, thousands of miles apart? utah passed an anti trans people in sports law that affected exactly one person.
@@acuteaura You can choose to compete with your sex then.
Sadly there just aren't the numbers to have elite level sport competitions just for trans athletes.
I agree! They should have their own category.
@@LilyTheCat151 So biological women have to suffer and be pushed out of our own spaces because there’s not enough trans people in the world that’s BS
Dude, when you said you were a member of the lgbt community, I fully expected you to use your platform as a doctor to cherry pick studies and present a pseudo-scientific argument, but you didn't do that. Really impressed with your objectivity and for telling an inconvenient truth that your own community is probably going to hate you for. Respect.
I get it. There is a legitimate reason for feeling that this here isn’t right. I’m Gay. And I agree that TG persons should be tested for T-levels prior to swimming competitions otherwise it is not fair to competitors. The cis women competing against a transgender woman will probably never win 1st against their trans counterparts. Lia should recognize the unfairness. We respect her right to be herself but she should equally recognize that she has that physio advantage. That’s just a fact.
@@yasssgawwwd5643 hormones is a tiny fact ,
the major fact is Bone, Muscle,Heart,Lungs ETC.
@@HelenHex I thought the pelvis was the only bone that separated the 2?
He's definitely downplaying the muscle mass reduction, after 2 years of hrt (which is the time required to be on hrt to be allowed to play competitively) it does level out to about the same performance levels, and by that time, with testosterone blockers, trans women have lower levels of testosterone than cis women, as for the "biological advantages" the stars of every sport have always been people with huge biological advantages, Michael Phelps has enormous biological advantages to anyone else, because of the way he was born, he's super tall, has a massive wingspan, and huge hands and feet, he's basically a superhuman born with a body built for swimming, he obviously has a massive innate biological advantage but no one says he shouldn't be able to compete. Sports has never been fair, no matter how hard they try, even if they put in 10 times the effort, it doesn't matter if they've dedicated their whole life to basketball, you'll never see a short dude in the NBA, it's not fair, but no one cares about the NBA being fair to short people because it's the nature of sports, there will always be people with advantages, and a slight AVERAGE height difference is nothing to ban the whole group of people for. Even then what's the solution? You definitely can't have them compete with the gender assigned at birth, because trans men would would absolutely destroy the cis women, they would essentially be doping the whole time because they're on a high level of testosterone. If trans women had such an advantage then it would show, which it turns out that trans women perform worse than mose cis women because they are literally on the anti muscle drug, all those headlines that you read, if you look a little further into what happened, a lot of them placed in dead last, that girl in the pregar u video he used got 8th, the trans woman in the competition only got 6th, she wouldn't have even won anyways.
@@yasssgawwwd5643 sorry but you being gay has absolutely NOTHING to do with being trans.. NOTHING. If you aren't transgender, don't speak on our matters (against us, I may add)
As a member of the LGBT community and a long time coach of both male and female elite athletes, I have extensive first hand experience that the argument that biological males have no inherent advantage over females is absolutely 100% incorrect. Even the very best of the female athletes I have coached, who were absolutely incredible athletes, wouldn't have stood a chance against the males. If forced to compete against them, they might as well have just quit, which would be a terrible shame. I'm glad to see a reasonable and rational approach to this subject. Much appreciated.
My concern is also the issue of biological women getting hurt while trying to compete against trans women who have been through male puberty. Sure not all sports are contact sports but it could go terribly wrong. I don't think males or females fully understand how difference there really is.
There was a post on reddit about a guy discussing how he would arm wrestle/wrestle with his GF and admitted he wasn't going full out, so she said she wanted him to use his full strength. But then she lost every fight they had, the arm wrestle was easy for him and he could easily pin her... They were both shocked about it and it opened up an interesting discussion around it and how males do try and regulate how much stregths they use against females when playing around like that.
My question is how is this new? When I was younger we all knew this, that’s why it was wrong for boys to hit girls, they were the ones to go to war etc.
Anyone who has been in athletics knows this very well. It's weird that some activists think they can convince us otherwise.
Do you think it would be that way if you didn't force them through a male puberty?
@@Alice-si8uzcis* woman
I live in Seoul, Korea, where in 1988 Griffith Joyner set the still-unbroken record of 10.49 seconds in the women's 100 meter dash event. This ranks her as number one as a woman--but around number THREE THOUSAND as a man. People don't realize just what a massive gap lies between male and female muscle strength...
Edit: Correction, it's actually 7000, not 3000... Crazy
Haha, you must be on the same drugs as she was if you believe her times were real! What a muppet.
not 3000, but 7000
also, the world record for men was 10.3 in 1930. basicly woman literely run behind 100 years on men.
This is an incomplete picture though. People like to point to Lia Thomas winning the 500 Free at the NCAA Championship as some kind of sign of the unfair advantage, but if you go to her SwimCloud page you can see that that win (4:33.24) isn't anywhere close to her personal best, set before she transitioned (4:18.72). It's also nowhere close to Katie Ledecky's personal best of 4:24.06. In fact, Ledecky has pretty consistently been beating Lia Thomas' championship time since she Ledecky was 17; Thomas was 25 when she won her championship.
It's not like they transition and everything stays the same. It demonstrably doesn't.
@@NatrixHasYou Lia Thomas went from placing in the hundredths as a man to being at (or near) the top as a woman. Sure, she sometimes loses. But even on her worst days as a woman, she is still dominating most of her competitors in a way she never could before transitioning.
And is it any wonder? The average man's upper body strength is 150% to 200% that of a woman's. An athletic male body is a supercharged turbo engine compared to a female body.
I agree. It isn't fair, and its ignoring reality to look away at those biological differences. Women deserve rights and shouldn't be losing their sex based rights
Thanks for watching!
Feminist fought long and hard for these changes and now they got it. And it's not just me talking as we now have laws for that. So I'm not sure what the issue is. Also wonder if these new social norms will allow transgender to participate in woman's boxing too. Hmmmmmmm
I think to resolve this issue we are having with in women sports is to have trans women have their own category so that way there will be no more problems like this that keep on occurring and from there everyone is happy.
@@funanimation8253 then you have the social issue of are trans women really women if we have to seperate them, honestly the easiest way to do this with the least social kick back is probably just base it on the gender you were assigned at birth( yes I know how stupid that might sound)
To be fair the feminist movement engaged in the practice of intersectionality with the lgbt movement. So this was a natural progression and outrage against transgender women athletes by cisgender is ironic
I’m amazed that this even has to be explained to adults. This is a major part of basic biology that we learned as kids in elementary school. Where did the ball get dropped?
When politics enters academia.
@@FormulaProg When politics marries academia! Didn't realize how much things were so messed up years ago. My child watching cartoons wanted to be vegetarian then vegan. When asking why, she tells me her favorite character on a cartoon was a lesbian vegan. That was around 2008, nichelodeon or disney.. Few years later a coworker comes in, talking about a transvestite vampier in a cartoon his son was watching, found out his 4 boys all watch this cartoon. The indoctrination to this stuff started early and long ago.....
@@FormulaProg being trans isn’t political, hun.
@@20000dino thinking trans women are the same in everyway as biological women is political
@@huntermarquette3484 Any identity-related issues being "political" is a right-wing construct, because identities have nothing to do with the governance of a country. A literal "buzzword", as right-wingers love to throw around.
How trans people should be integrated into sporting events is a conversation to be had, I just don't appreciate the clear and completely unrecognized transphobic bias that I'm seeing the comments. I'd say this is majorly the UA-camr's fault, who did not make it clear enough that he isn't transphobic nor does he condone those who are - which you really should do, if you are to talk about these issues (which tends to attract a lot of bad faith right-wingers). Besides, I really dislike when he makes himself sound like any kind of authority on the issue just because he's gay. I'm a cis gay demi-guy myself and I'd never do that. It just screams “pick me gay” attitude.
You have NO idea how refreshing it was to watch a video on a controversial topic that was completely objective and science based. Recognizing biological realities is not transphobic. As you said, this one facet of trans rights is not an excuse for bigotry; it's simply trying to make good policies that are based on objective facts derived from the latest good data. And who knows? Maybe as this is studied more, the data will show that trans-women don't really have as big of an advantage or different hormone therapies can make sports more fair. But has of now, it certainly does appear that trans-women do indeed have an innate physiological advantage over cis-women.
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Male and female are sex not gender.
They were based off of biology not society.
They have rules that don't bend trans on the other hand.
The biological reality is that testosterone makes you a whole lot stronger, trans women have none, and trans men have a whole lot yet trans men are forced to compete in women's sports while having the strength typical of men which is very unfair, and trans women loose most of their muscle mass making it unfair for them to compete with men. And before puberty, male and female bodies are essentially indistinguishable, a trans woman who has been on hormone blockers has never been through male puberty and it would be ignorant to say that she still has an advantage, and the only attributes from male puberty that are retained after 2 years of hormone therapy are the voice and height which isn't even an advantage in a lot of sports and can even be a disadvantage in some, so the only legitimate basis for banning a whole group of people is that trans women are tall, and plenty of people are tall yet we don't have nationwide outrage at anyone else being tall.
@@zulaadler7179 quick question? why no trans man dominant in sport?
@@thorsten13999 they absolutely do but that's not what they show in the news because it doesn't fit their political agenda, look up Mack Beggs, he's won the Texas wrestling championship undefeated 2 years in a row, and they won't let him compete with other men no matter how much he asks to.
@@zulaadler7179 trans men being stuck competing in women's sports is a whole other issue that also needs to be addressed. That's just not the focus of this video.
A trans woman who never went through make puberty due to puberty blockers and early transition IS probably equal to a cis woman, athletically. But that's also not the focus of this video.
This is about the debate surrounding trans women who DID go through male puberty before transitioning, and taking an honest look at any advantages they may have over cis women despite their CURRENT testosterone levels being similar. It's asking if maybe they DO retain some differences besides hight and voice and using science and data to try to answer that question.
I mean, I understand your points but what about the unfair advantage that genetics give? As a 177cm cisgender woman I have a big advantage over other cisgender women in many sports. In my country the average female height is 162. I don't mean this as a reason to disprove your points, just something we should think about. I would love to hear your opinion on this.
Natural deviations in physical characteristics are what makes us unique. Thats why only few people can be elite sprinters and that is 100% fair. Unnatural altered characteristics are not. If we allow one group to artificially alter their performance level, for example every weight lifter should be allowed to juice their minds out. It does not matter if the altering goes from a baseline up or downwards from a higher level (like transitioning to a woman). I dont mean to be rude but if we take a 177cm tall avrage joe he would probably ragdoll you in almost every sport that requires physical strength.
You have stated one advantage that happens in all sports, just like Michael Phelps has an abnormal wing span but Dr Ryan has shown over 20 including muscular, bone density and aerobic, which is why every record at the elite level in track and field, cycling, weight lifting, swimming etc etc is substantially higher for men. There were only 2 categories that were higher in women, pelvic to height ratio and the percentage of body fat.
You are the most objective person I've seen speak on this subject. Thank you seriously for your research.
Thanks for watching!
You did such a thorough job, hitting and explaining well all the relevant points and considerations of the issue (and this coming from a Trad Catholic). . Well done, Dr. Ryan.
@@Dr.Ryanmd Would you consider a handicap applied to Trans athletes? I mean we appear to have all the metrics. For instance, say a man competes and places 100th, transitions, and then places 10th in the women's category. If transitioning provided truly gender equal results then the 100th place man should transition to the 100th place female, so realistically could they not be benchmarked/handicapped to that baseline?
Only asking because I don't think a Trans-specific-league would be watched or field good competition because the trans community has so few athletes for any given event.
@@Dr.Ryanmdwould you consider not forcing trans girls through male puberty? I think that's a more valuable question than any other, and I doubt you took the time to answer it.
Great video! As a cisgender woman I have these conversations in private because to me it feels taboo to speak about in public. I support the LGBTQ community but science and genetics matter in this instance.
We don't want your support ❤️
@@itsnotlukehere1223 I’m gay, I want her support? You don’t speak for the community buddy.
@@Chibichunga literally no one cares if you're gay or not, you still have cis privilege (assuming) and I didn't speak for you bc since you said gay and not trans I assume you aren't part of trans community. If you're gay and cis, this isn't about you. She's just saying she supports the lgbtq+ community to hide the transphobia.
@@itsnotlukehere1223 She's not offering support to you. She's offering support to the normal members of that community.
@@Maialeen And You're here to dictate if I'm "normal" or not because of 2 comments on a UA-cam comment section? Grow up.
I’ve always had such strong opinions about this. As a female athlete and someone who competed in college I feel the pain and heartbreak of some of these young cisgender women. Im so
Glad you’ve found an eloquent way to discuss this topic. And it’s so appreciated. I’ve been saying we should have make, female and a trans league that way everyone can participate in what they love doing, but being able to do it fairly. Thank you for putting this out there.
Congrats on playing in college, you must be a great athlete. I can completely understand your perspective. There aren't very many videos where people talk about this topic without misgendering trans people. I was a little nervous to put this out, but I think that we should base these decision on what research says. Thank you so much for watching!
@Sterling Gray, for athletes, so-called gender identity doesn't matter, because it's sex that matters, not gender. Therefore, the term "cisgender" is unnecessary here.
We women are not cis....
Don’t call ur self or us cis we are women
@@stefaniemoses1768 I don’t think you understand academics or how to assess this topic without a visceral emotional response. It’s OK to be afraid of change, But eventually it’s going to become a time where you die and these people you wish to not be there will remain. You can repeat history and lynch them like they did black people, though, sure. Doesn’t stop gender dysphoria from existing.
It shouldn't be difficult for everyone to address this issue: setting out the science without being a d*ck to people; it's not difficult! Great video
It’s amazing how heterosexual women have been fighting for lgbtqia rights for decades and now some of those same people we fought for are stepping over us like we don’t matter.
Doing this will cause the lgbtqia community to lose some of its biggest supporters.
(When I was a cross country and track runner in high school I was All American so I was a bit popular and what I said had influence. Anytime any of our fellow students came out as gay or lesbian or had two moms as parents I encouraged the football and basketball players to not treat them differently. Just be normal. They did and we didn’t have major bullying in our school of lgbtqia students because everybody listened to the football and basketball players.
Athletes tend to stick together. It’s not helpful to the lgbtqia community to ignore their complaints.
Someone needs to fix this before it truly gets out of hand.
I mean it is trying to be fixed but it's hard to do when constant transphobia is getting put into the argument and blatant lies about trans athletes are being spouted? Also trans people aren't just "stepping over you", they are just trying yo do what they love.
@@josjos-x5s I get they want to do what they love but, when they have gone through male puberty and even competed professionally as a male then decide to transition into being a female, competing with females is not fair. They need their own category or an open category. They could participate alongside females until the number of transger people increased to the point of needing their own competing space/field/pool. I agree that people on the right too often put hate into the conversation but also too often on the left people assume that when someone disagrees it's because they are transphobic. One person even told me that I just hate gay people. Which is so far from the truth. When I here transgender athletes or transgender advocates say things like "Well they(cis females) just need to train harder.", it sounds like, and is indeed, them stepping over female athletes to get to do what they love; even if it is not their intention.
Mam, to be fair, the LGB are different to the T. The same goes to the I. The LGB are about sexual preference as in romantic, erotic, and carnal. The T and I are about gender expression and identity.
@@carmay3600 I think trans athletes are at an impasse, on one hand biological evidence shows an athletic advantage leaning on the side of biological males/people with higher testosterone. On the other hand when the trans women can't compete with cis women it sometimes feels alienating.
One commenter did suggest the idea of the trans women competing beside cisgender women, so as to not alientate them, but the scoring for the trans athletes would be separate to the cisgender scoring. Such that the ciswomen are able to have their win, but the trans women are able to get their own bracket without feeling alienated.
Do you think it is fair that those women's hardworking and training goes to waste because a biological man wants to compete with them?
There is nothing a trans person can do after puberty to even the plane field
You cannot shrink you bones, you cannot go under a certain amount of muscle, you cannot reduce your grip strength as much as you want, you cannot shorten yourself
There are differences that are biological that are not social constructs as you might think
Bone structures are not social constructs it is measurable and in trans women the bones are much bigger than in normal women and it is not possible to shrink your bones
Conclusion In transwomen, hormone therapy rapidly
reduces Hgb to levels seen in cisgender women. In
contrast, hormone therapy decreases strength, LBM and
muscle area, yet values remain above that observed
in cisgender women, even after 36 months. These
findings suggest that strength may be well preserved in
transwomen during the first 3 years of hormone therapy.
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This article says that even after 3 years the play field is not even out and this is talking about muscle mass which is the easiest thing to impact with hormon therapy
I’m all for the LGTB community having equality and respect. I don’t want my daughters wrestling, racing etc. trans women who went through male puberty. It’s not fair on the sports level.
One problem is that most parents probably won't let their kids get puberty blockers when they reach the age, so the trans kids are forced to go through the puberty that doesn't match their gender. If some parents were more accepting of their kids being trans and let them get puberty blockers, I honestly don't think we'd have the problem at this proportion.
@@dakotah8191 Such a fucked up opinion.
What about trans men being forced to compete with women?
Look at what happened with Mack Beggs in Texas in 2017/18, he won 30-0 both seasons because the government pushed him from competing with men to competing with women.
The only other thing is to exclude trans people from sports, which would be a human rights issue then.
@@dakotah8191 What about the transgender men and women who were gleefully fed puberty blockers as children, only to realise that they aren’t in fact trans? Seriously, children aren’t there to be used as experiments for your political ideology. Once you are an adult you are of sound mind to make that decision, as a child you aren’t.
@@dakotah8191 And this sports issue is incredibly simple to resolve, create trans leagues…
knowing you’ll probably get backlash from your own community. i’m grateful to have someone like you to stand up and speak the truth! the truth is so important!
body shape height , and muscle placement in swimmers . if your a male who’s physical body is like micheal phelps , you should not compete against women!
he won't get as much backlash as biological women do every time they open their mouth about this
@@CarSVernon You mean women? lmao
@@CarSVernon No, he will get just as much backlash. You see the trans activists are attacking the LGB. They consider us to be people with "genital fetishes" because we don't want to have sex with trans. We are transphobe (I hate that BS word) if we refuse their advances. They're coming for the heterosexual next. The worse of the alphabet soup is the Q.
@@CarSVernon hah jokes on you. just saw an actual transgender link to this video and she was absolutely wrecked by her supposed own community.
as much as i love the lgbt movement there is a very large and vocal part of it that is very toxic. There is absolutely no room for diversity among them. Which is ironic and sad as hell.
I'm a gay man and many of my friends and I do not align with the defensive, hostile, illogical elements. We don't even use terms like " cis gender " , state our pronouns, etc , which comes off as crazy talk. We know puberty blockers and surgeries on kids are probably a very very bad idea ( heck Sweden banned it). I'm not unkind and would always treat a trans person with kindness but I think oppression and victim narratives don't help anyone. America is one of the very BEST places to be be gay ( as is Europe). Only in Western Civilization do people scream in the streets calling themselves oppressed about everything. It all comes off as a bit childish.
A lot of people forget that when you have a trans woman fight a cis woman or have a cis man fight a trans man, the person who was born male has a natural advantage and can nearly kill the other. This is seen in MMA and other heavy contact sports.
I've always been an ally but we have to be honest and fair. It just makes sense and you've explained it perfectly.
now your a phobic for even saying that. Try to actually speak out over this and I bet you won't be considered an ally anymore
Thank you so much. I have zero problems with people transitioning. I have a HUGE problem with trans women in women sports. I played sports, I played basketball volleyball and softball in highschool. We would scrimmage the Jr high boys basketball team and that was competitive for us. We even played for fun, volleyball against our football team, we couldn't beat them at the net. Our only savings grace was serving and knowing how to control the ball because we had training and they didn't, but their height and vertical jumps we couldn't compete with.
We’re not talking about cis men competing with cis women, please people need to stop with this argument.
@@myewzek2913 you definitely missed the mark on why the person who made comment, made this comment.
@@myewzek2913 stop being willfully ignorant. Trans women Have the bodies and for the most part genetics of cis men and if cis woman can’t beat cis men than how is to far for trans women to compete with cis women. Plus we literally never talk about how trans men compete with cis men. They literally never win because they have the bodies and genetics of cis women
@@marlireid-hotchner7328 trans women are different from cis men, as one of those people take testosterone suppressants. Testosterone suppressants modify the body in many ways, making trans women suddenly struggle to compete against men. There are biological differences between trans women and cis women, but not the same ones as between cis men and cis women. If you want to argue your point, don’t talk about something that isn’t happening as if it is. Don’t talk about men competing with women, when that isn’t happening.
And no one’s talking about trans men here because trans men are not the same as trans women, trans men are able get more biologically similar to cis men than trans women can to cis women. Also transphobes don’t hate trans men as much as they hate trans women, they just think trans men are anti-feminist lesbians.
@@myewzek2913 excuse me you literally just wrote what I wrote but longer. After all that do you still think trans women deserve to complete with cis women. Let me make it clear to you, hormone therapy Colby affects things that hormones can control. Muscle mass can be lost but muscle density l, bone density hieght, lung size, heart size, and hemoglobin count(etc) cannot
This was fantastic and so refreshing - I feel like we're losing so much nuance in conversations like this. So many horrible people use this discussion to shit on trans women, insult their looks and make fun of them, which detracts from the strength of the evidence you put forward. I also liked the difference you point out about 'playing for fun' versus competetive sport where a lot is on the line.
Your video is a wonderful voice in this conversation :)
Thank you, Emily!
And so many trans people only focus on their feelings and decide to ignore the facts. Its a problme on both sides. lets be honest about that..for nuance sake.
Eh people trying to force others to agree with them and erase people in the process don’t really deserve better
@@n0namesowhatblerp362 true
@@n0namesowhatblerp362 nah just shut up
YES!!! I am a gay man and I can not like this enough!! It isn’t fair and we do need to speak up about this! Women in elite sporting events deserve to shine!!!
I like the video, but to act like this is some /invasion/ of trans women infiltrating female sports is disingenuous quibbling, largely the result of right-wing media like the Daily Wire.
There's Lia Thomas, that one olympic weightlifter who didn't do very well (Laurel Hubbard?)... that's all I can think of. No, it's not fair, all trans women will probably be banned from female sport soon enough, and in the future some nuanced solution will probably be reached.
You know what I think is much more important than 'fairness' in already underfunded female sports though? Affording education. Health care. Housing prices. Yet the Daily Wire has people absolutely rapid against trans women because a handful competed in female's sports.
okay but nobody cares that you're gay though
Girls and women, whether it's just a PE lesson or the Olympics, deserve a fair playing field, the right to compete fairly, enjoy competition and winning or losing and learning how to do both with grace. I do not think it's ok to say that only elite level women deserve a fair playing field, but boys and men get a fair playing field always.
True. The thing is Trans women are women too, so specifically excluding them from sports doesn't seem helpful, really. Particulary considering all sports favor some inate biological advantages over others. It's no coincidence afteral that the avarage nba player is taller then the national avarage. Yet I hear no cries to ban tall people from basketball despite there being a lot of people missing out on scolerships too, not because they didn't work harder or had less talent but simply because they had the short gene so to speak.
@@ipsumquaerere6927 But no one is suggesting that trans people be denied access to sport. What is being established is that when it comes to fair competitive categories, trans athletes cannot play in the female category because the competitive advantages across the board are too wide to ever be fair. There may be some exceptions, like shooting or darts perhaps, where there need not be seperate groups. There is nothing stopping trans athletes competing in the male/open categories where they do not have significant and unfair advantage.
Thank you on behalf of ciswomen for this video. As a ciswoman I have been called horrible names like TERF, transphobic, bigotted and my favourite I'm controlled by the patriarchy. I want to include transwomen but not at my expense. I don't want to lose the rights women before me fought so hard for.
Im not sure if you have connections to transactivists but I have an idea on how to include transpeople in womens sport.
Since there is not alot of transpeople to form their own league in colleges etc why not advocate for a national league where a transwoman can compete against women but their time be ranked in the trans league and rewards etc be distributed that way. So for example if Lia Thomas beats a cisgirl by 40secs you aren't taking first place from a cisgirl. Its creating anither league without excluded them from lining up and racing
See also youtubers: Exulansic, Cluniac, Arielle Scarcella, Sydney Watson, and ASlightly Twisted Female. You're not alone here.
@@LL-co3kr Agree. We're not a subcategory of the category 'woman'. We ARE the category. Only women are women and we don't need any further identification.
I understand why I shouldn't use cis its not really necessary and really only allows them to be called women and us ciswomen. Im honestly at the point where their stupidity is making me stop using the word woman and Im using female now. They will never be female and for the geniune transwomen to feel as though they were given the wrong body that pain i wouldnt want anyone to feel but they need to accept reality to grateful for passible privilledge, stop denying predators will take advantage of srlf identifying and let females police female spaces. You dont like it i guess im transphobic and your misogynistic
Well this whole trans league will never happen because people wouldnt watch it, and the cost will far outweigh the revenue. It will be like wasting money over wasteful projects, havent we had enough of that? I have a suggestion. Why dont we banned all trans people from sports. Im sorry but in life you cant always have everything. There are millions of men who would love to do sports as a career but they just dont have the talent. So they find another career. They dont go to play in womens sports instead because they are not qualified to play in the mens game. Its ridiculous. If a man decided to transition into a woman and decided he still want to play sports. Sorry not gonna happen. Find other jobs.
I don't need to be called "Cis this" or "Cis that" , I am a woman. Period.
It's crazy to me that if you disagree with transgender women competing In competitive sports against women many will think you're transphobic. I think those people have never been a competitive athlete or they would realize its not
But those people are transphobic. What else are they if not transphobic.
@@itsnotlukehere1223 Gender impacts everyone, trans or not. People have been critical of gender and sex-based regulation before the current trans movement was even a thing. Please stop calling people ad-hominem insults over being concerned about issues that impact all of us as human beings.
@@punkgrl325 I don't get it, you agree with the women being there to compete or not?
@@itsnotlukehere1223 Many people who do not support trans women competing in high levels of sport in the female category might be otherwise supportive of trans women in most other areas of life. I mean there are trans women themselves who are not supportive of this so are you going to call a trans woman transphobic? I think of transphobia as not being supportive of someone transitioning, of being rude and calling them by the wrong pronouns, that sort of thing.
@@kellypat125 Yes, we can call a trans woman transphobic, like Caitlyn Jenner is. Besides,. I think it's up to us to decide what transphobia is.
It’s good to see someone tell the FACTS not the feelings about this subject 👍🏻
I experienced that in-utero testosterone boost when I was pregnant with my twin sons. It was insane! My hormones are still not back to normal years after delivering them. And my sons have been more physically strong from birth than the other babies I've known in my entire life even though my sons were premature.
That is genuinely so interesting! Out of curiosity, Have you ever had your levels tested? I’ve never heard of this, but I also wasn’t around many pregnant women growing up lol so I’m super curious
@@kat8410 I did beause my hormones were a mess physicially and mentally. While my testosterone wasn't sky-high and had increased moderately, my other hormones decreased. I can't take artificial hormones so I had to attempt to correct this naturally with nutrient-rich foods, supplements, exercise, and regulated sleep. It's been five years and I can start to see the testosterone decreasing - my cycle is almost back to normal and the rock-hard muscle mass I had the last few years is decreasing. I was just tested and my hormone levels are the closest they've been to my pre-pregnancy levels.
@@kespo5358 wow it’s so crazy what pregnancy will do to you. Glad to see it’s starting to get better!
That’s not a thing! You don’t get a testosterone boost from carrying a boy 😂 it’s most likely the pregnancy messed up your ovaries
IMO, if it's normal to get that T surge, and for it to permanently change your hormonal profile, then there's really no getting "back to normal."
I heard someone talking about how it'd be cool to make a digital transgender competition, where transgender individuals will participate with whatever gender they identify with, but their scores are compared with other transgender people. That would make it so that they don't have to participate with their birth sex, but it's also fair to the other sex. It would also allow them to be ranked periodically instead because there aren't very many transgender athletes in comparison to cisgender.
Digital? How would that work as an elite athlete
@@alexwilliams2276 It would work completely fine in individual sports (swimming, most track and field, etc.) since it's just a matter of where someone appears on the scoreboard. Team sports would become much more complicated - my best proposal for those would be a "quota" system in which spots on teams are limited by gender identity to ensure that even if some athletes have a significant biological advantage over others, both sides are on equal footing.
Thank you for this. I did find myself getting emotionally defensive due to the way the subject is being spoken about but your approach definitely gave me perspective. Looking at things objectively is way healthier in my opinion. Again, thank you.
Thank you for watching!
What do you mean emotionally defensive? Could I ask what points you felt yourself getting defensive about?
@@DC-bp8sx it’s pretty easy to when some people are only using this situation to be blatantly transphobic “in support of women” when they otherwise wouldn’t have cared. I for one agree that they’re should be a more leveled playing field, but it’s not an excuse to overlook the bigotry being shot at trans people daily and from every angle.
@@Enomaru001 maybe it will help both sides of people just accept the truth and stop lying.
When we have ‘transitioned’ people who claim that they have their periods and are experiencing menstrual cramps and pms, when the reality is that someone with XY chromosomes, and lack of ovaries and uterus can never have periods or pms.
When people start claiming such things, obviously the nobody is going to take them seriously 🤦🏻♀️
@@user-mi8xf8tq1z dude I’m sorry, but as someone who has periods, I don’t give a fat shit. You gonna tell infertile cis women who literally cannot have periods, that they’re not allowed to compete? No you won’t. Because it actually doesn’t matter at ALL.
I've so long to hear someone from the lgbt community to state biologic facts in a respective manner that both sides can understand without putting their repetitive ideals and saying the same thing you'd expect to hear while making different points. To finally see a video like this to me is a video all who argue about this on twitter and so on should see.
I can’t believe this needs to be explained. Anyway this guy does a great fair analysis. Thank you
Ikr? insanity, but yeah his video is very straightforward and complete
Not to mention, biological males have naturally higher hemoglobin levels and increased lung capacity. It’s really not much of a debate, and I’m sad to see the legacy media’s failure to fairly and accurately cover the issue.
Most female athletes know what it’s like to have to push ourselves through intense workouts while experiencing monthly menstrual cramps or miscarriages. The testosterone suppression taken by transwomen will never grant them this uniquely female experience. In the matter of sport, sex is of utmost importance.
Thank you for your courage in covering this matter with integrity. 👏
the hemology levels drop to equal of cis women after months of hormone treatment. also not all women experience menstration. trans women do experience more pain in their ligements than they would have prior. there is a decrease in our cartilage. can people explain why cis women who lost to trans women also have come back and won against them? no one seems to talk about the amount of trans women who have worked just as hard as any cis woman and yet they still lose. if it is an unfair advantage then cis women shouldnt be winning in any sport ever, yet they do and have beat the same trans women who beat them.
@@allaboutthatbass741 Not all women menstruate but only and ONLY WOMEN can menstruate. Some women can't get pregnant but ONLY Women can get pregnant. Having a medical condition doesn't make one less a woman. But a men will NEVER menstruate or get pregnant because they not woman even if they say so! Biology doesn't lie. You can stop lying and making things up people aren't buying it anymore. It's easy to google what you said and see that you're just a lyar.
You forget to factor in the effect that hrt has on the body, because we're not talking about males vs females, that difference is obvious, however we are talking about males who have undergone hrt, pointing out the differences between typical males and typical females is redundant because trans women are far from typical males, the focus shouldn't be males v females, it should be the effects of hrt, because hrt reverses most of the advantages and that's what ultimately matters in terms of differences. As for the menstrual cycle, many women don't have them, does that mean they should barred from sports?
@@indianamarshal3457 i guess intersex men do not exist? also the ability to have kids is a stupid and invalid argument. have you looked at the actual charts and studies about homolygy? if you did, then you would see that just cause trans women have bigger lungs, their body only absorbs the same amount of oxygen as that of cis women in their blood stream. homolygy is what gives athletes an advantage or disadvantage. athletes who take blood thinners do so cause more oxygen gets in ther. trans women have the same homology as cis women. the ability to reproduce does not effect a race. what about the women not able to do so? guess they are men now huh? also fyi, the absense of a penis and testicles can be seen as an advantage, seeing as the flop around, can be bulky and less arrow dinamic. also trans women do experience bodily cramps. im not saying thatthey are periods, but i do experience hormonally cause cramps and water retention in my joints pretty regularly. still not a period, but still something that can be factored in seeing as you want to go that rout. my height has shrunk 2 in., my hans and feet are smaller than they were, my cartilage has decreased which is a causeing factor in those losses because of hormones.
@@allaboutthatbass741 it’s not a period cramp. Your body is not trying to release an egg. Stop it!
I love the scientific research!
Thanks! Hope you’re doing well
Great respect for your courage. The times I have tried to begin to offer these explanations, I have always instantly been shouted down as a transphobe. The hate flows largely in one direction with this issue. Just look at how the Penn State women swimmers were treated.
Exactly these trans activists don't deserve respect and kindness cuz they will hate you regardless of how you approach them about this issue. They're narcissistic asses just need to be stomped out and silenced
As a bio women whose be labeled a transphobe for highlighting trans women cannot have periods because they don’t have a uterus. They selectively choose what science they want to use instead/if they use it at all. Apparently spitting nothing but biological facts is wrong in todays society.
U Penn, not Penn State.
The hate definitely flows in both directions. Regardless of how you feel about this particular issue, it has certainly been used by the far-right as a Trojan horse issue to get people on board with anti-trans rhetoric and legislation that goes far beyond sports.
>hate flows largerly in one direction
Yea at trans people. I dont see a coalition of trans people advoacting for treating cis people like second class citizens. I dont see trans people going out to large groups of cis people to start a riot. We didnt see 31 trans women get arrested trying to go bust cis heads. I dont see queer people telling cis people that they cant talk or show anything about their partner because it is grooming kids.
The hatred you see from trans people are retaliatory. All we wanted is to be given the same baseline respect that your are supposed to confer to all members of a socitey.
It is so refreshing that there's a video like this. No feelings, no opinions, no bias. Just numbers, facts, and figures.
you don't think it's a bias to say that women should be denied scholarship just because they're trans?
@JasonSmith-fe2fx the video is about physiological, anatomical, and biochemical differences between the sexes. If it was a cis biological woman taking testosterone competing against other women. That would be cheating.
The effects of synthetic estrogen don't reverse the effects of testosterone on the body. Only limit it.
@@SeanR91 2 things, we know that some women have higher testosterone, like intersex women, secondly, he even said it's from puberty yet he just inserted we should not be "cis womenphobic" because of INNATE differences... that speaks to incredible bias
@JasonSmith-fe2fx those differences in testosterone levels are negligible at best. Plus, you are insinuating that genetics and thousands of years of human evolution would be biased too
@@SeanR91 no, genetics are activated by hormones, that's why children's abilities devised by sex are mostly the same, the change starts when hormones are introduced,. I think we both know this, so all I'm saying just that would in indicate that banning ALL trans women from female sports is just transphobic.
We really do need to show empathy when looking at both sides, but also take scientific facts into consideration as well. Thank you for the video Dr. Ryan. 💕
Thanks for watching!
Damn huge respect bro! I hope this video blows up and is able to spread awareness about this unfairness.
This has been the best video on the topic I've seen thus far. As someone who has interests in anthropology, human physiques and fitness/bodybuilding I've studied the human body quite a bit and people really like to ignore the science on the subject when it doesn't fit with their viewpoint but on the other side there's people who use it as an excuse to be truly transphobic and I appreciate the assertion that you can still be kind to trans people while still disagreeing with some of the community on this particular topic
Thank you so much!
You explained this in a very respectful and pragmatic way. Thank you. I completely agree.
Watching a video like this with pure science based information rather than getting it from completely biased sources such as the mainstream news is SO nice. I like how you added your own opinions to sort of solve this issue. Well done! Doing a research paper for college on this topic and I didn’t want to be biased at all. Thank you for the info!
As a swimmer I absolutely loved how no one cared about the sport until this happened and now everyone is an expert 🙄, love this video
Schuyler Baliar said something similar
yeah bc it was just girls competing against girls
Don’t have to be an expert to know a 6’ tall biological male who has had full developmental effects of testosterone giving him more muscle mass, lower body fat, denser bones, larger lungs and heart leading to better oxygen saturation would dominate a female athlete in any physical sport. Sure techniques do play a factor which is why he was unable to dominate the free style event but dominated others. He had more training and experience and honestly believe he sandbagged a bit to downplay his obvious advantage and have a talking point on how there is no difference between the two genders. And for you to say no one cares about swimming is just ignorant.
@@diemaschine2287 dang bro you're really triggered over this 💀
@@thatperson278 someone should be triggered when women are losing opportunities to biological males. There is a massive advantage and the science proves this, just as the video states.
Would you tell women 100+ years ago who fought to vote..."wow you are so triggered over this" just to pass their concerns off and label them with some phobic just to shut down the conversation?
One thing i find most important in every group of people, every community, every nation, every institution is the ability to reflect on your own group. Even if you are part of something, you must always be able to step back and honestly reflect on things going on within this specific group. This is also what i have been missing atleast in the very vocal part of the LGBTQ community. From my point of view they lack mechanisms to reflect on issues within their own community and to respectfully disagree and discuss. It seems to me that members of the LGBTQ community that speak out against structural issues are often antagonized and receive pure hate. This is a huge red flag for any group, if they lack the mechanisms to deal with issues.
Dr. Ryan, thanks for a compassionately reasoned explanation of something that gets a disproportionate amount of attention for the number of people affected. And the attention is often at the expense of trans people generally. Thanks you for encouraging people to see that the participation of trans women needs a nuanced perspective rather than an all or nothing attitude.
My background is mainly in secondary education. I know that being a part of an athletic team is an important part of many teens’ lives. Although I want trans students to be able to have such an enriching experience, I don’t want it to come at the expense of cis girl athletes. The number of trans girl athletes is certainly very small. I’ve not see national numbers, but the governor of Utah said that out of 75,000 student athletes, there was one trans girl. I suspect that the ratio of high school trans girl athletes is minuscule throughout the nation.
I would think that some practical guidelines for each sport-and a little creativity-could figure out how to allow athletic opportunities for trans girls who wish to participate athletically while still protecting safety and fairness for cis girls. For instance, the guidelines for badminton or volleyball would probably be different than for track &field or soccer. Some athletes might be happy to train with and be a part of a team, but have other responsibilities during actual competition. These won’t solve every challenge, but they could help many more trans youth than the draconian, one-size-fits-all laws currently being enacted.
Great job. Finally an honest medical evaluation that is not slanted toward trans. All very true.
Thanks, Jim!
All I heard was a load of why men are physically superior to women and no discussion on the effects of feminising hormone therapy has in reducing physical advantage in trans women. Stop comparing men to women. You should be comparing trans women to women to get any meaningful data. And even if there is some remaining advantage, since when has sport ever been about fairness? Can all 7' tall basketballers only compete with those of similar height, or can Michael Phelps only compete with others who have a similar wingspan or capacity to process lactic acid? Also, why no discussion of a handicap system to negate an advantage? That's right, just rush to push blanket bans in order to further exclude and marginalise an already vulnerable community. As a member of the lgbt community, you should be ashamed of yourself.
What is frustrating is when politicians step in and push their agendas instead of letting the local groups of people that should be working on the policies do their job. State athletic boards should be working on the policies, the NCAA should be working on these policies, and professional sports organizations should be working on these policies. This should not be for federal level politicians to be sticking their nose in until the groups that should be doing it abdicate their responsibilities. Even then, it should only be to force these organizations to do their job.
Brilliant take. These topics have to be dealt with the backing of science and not based on emotions, and not definitely by cyber bullying the heck out of trans people. Thanks for the vid❣️
I have researched this topic all week, and your body of work on this has been the most informative and broken down in such a scientific way which you can’t deny but they still will thank you
Finally, someone willing to speak the inconvenient truth trans folk don't want to hear. Thank you.
Oh many people are saying it. But they are being ignored by mainstream media. Check out Blaire White. A UA-cam who says all of this. Blair is not afraid to call a spade a spade. And is also a member of the community.
im trans and I wanted to hear this. I just want to know what is fair that includes as many people as possible. This is a great video! (only criticism is showing PragerU)
This is actually a pretty bad video from a guy who uses a tentatively related qualification to distract you from the fact he has no experience in data analysis
@@leikfroakies yep doc, we’ve got another one. Another copium overdose… it’s sad to see.
@@beanyjeans909 Oh honey. Ypu just made the mistake of challenging a REAL quantitative scientist. Lets go😈
Lets start with how this video only establishes that difference between men and women exist and alludes to some differences between trans and cis people that arent really explored.
We know that those who went through male puberty have (on average) greater bone density and lung capacity than those who went through female puberty. What the video fails to do is question the significance of these factors and how they should be evaluated. When evaluating swimming for example, we see little evidence of these differences being particularly unfair.
Lia Thomas's personal best time regressed by 20s post transition, with the current disparity between Women's and Men's world records being just 16s. Lia would've lost the same championship from 2014-2018 with her time and woud have won 2019 by less than a second.
Explain why all the actual experts are wrong or maybe learn to do your own data analysis instead of being impressed by some guy's medical degree and assuming he knows data
The scientific research is important to make rule changes for this in sports. But you don’t need much science to look at a female trans athlete and see they still have a man’s bone structure and muscle mass
Who'd have thought that a piece that argues a point rationally using science and common sense rather than politics and emotions could be so successful at making its point?! I so want to be an ally to those in minorities who have daily struggles I cannot possibly understand but wow, some out there make it so hard to be an ally when the first place they want to leap to is shaming and accusing bigotry if you even so much as ask a legitimate question. Thanks for a thoughtful and positive video.
I think that as it stands right now trans woman should get their own league's. We are still researching into this that its unfair that women are losing out on scholarships and opportunities because we dont know enough in order to make it a equal playing field.
There’s a reason y male n female physical sports r separated. 🤷🏽♀️
Real shit 💯
Thank you for this. What can we as women do about this? We have been saying this for years, and we are just called bigots.
Boycott all women's and girls sport that allows men in women's sports. Simple really
You’re using this as an umbrella for the fact you don’t like trans people. Firstly, educate yourself on sociology and anthropology, because if you do, you’ll realize that all of this makes sense. Secondly, have a soul. Have genuine empathy for other people instead of brushing stuff off like it’s not your problem or because it’s stupid. It doesn’t matter if it is, it doesn’t effect you. Thirdly, don’t repeat history. Every single time there’s a change in how human’s navigate there’s pushback, as if there’s a specific way that we’re supposed to do things. At the rate we’re going, I’m not reaching 40 years old or having kids; I’m going to die before I can get gray hairs because nobody gives a shit anymore. Please don’t make that same mistake. It’s really not that deep.
You do realize that making the idea of a woman purely about giving birth, having breast and having ovaries isn’t logical either, correct? Hermaphroditism is a thing, it’s just not talked about much.
@@PdoxDV you should have empathy and it's true that are humans that have both parts of male and female anatomy hut the problem is the transwomen that transition after puberty. If it's before then the benefits of male puberty do not happen such as muscle mass and stronger bone density from what I heard from people about the topic. A compromise would be allowing transwomen that had hormone blockers before puberty rather than after or making argue argue those after puberty
@@PdoxDV And what about NO!
You're talking bs. There's 2 sports categories MALE and FEMALE easy!
Why do we have to have empathy for people who doesn't even respect us and calling us menstruator????
Women = Adult human female, this is biologie.....it's a fact. Like it or not....who cares but 99.99% of humans know what a woman is.
@@scaratlas3347 Or….we could provide ACTUAL assistance for people with gender dysphoria so they can transition without such detriments and stop stigmatizing a process that has no effect on they life
I think it's important that if we are going to have these conversations, then we need to be consistent with how we use identifying terms. If we are going to establish that there is a clear difference between sex and gender, then when we identify groups, we need to be mindful of what it is that we're actually stating. I don't know of a single biologist that would concede that sex is not immutable. If a biological male transitions from a man to a woman, they are still a biological male. The same applied for females that transition. Thus, a biological male cannot become a "transgender female". The sociological argument is that gender is fluid because gender is a social construct. Biology says that sex is immutable. If the goal is to have meaningful dialogue, then It's important that we do not conflate the two.
I’m happy to type in the swimmer’s name and see a story that’s NOT from FOX news. The right wing and Christian commentary is taking over this subject. If we as liberals “follow the science,” we need to be consistent.
As a registered Democrat: well said 👏🏿
The timing show otherwise. She's a great athlete but she's lost and won in both women and male leagues
@@alexwilliams2276
He, not she.
Middling, not a “great athlete.”
Thank you for this level headed and very scientific look at this issue. Personally, if they want to compete I have no problem with that but they need their own leagues. We have mens sports and womens sports because of the physical differences that exist, so having trans sports wouldn't be that odd I think, just another league for those that want to compete. We also have paralympic sports leagues, so adding another league wouldn't be that odd. I DO think that trans men and women ARE men and women, but they are also physically different and they need a place where they can compete against others like themselves, make it fair for all. And I know that the numbers issue will come up, but everyone has to start somewhere. There weren't that many female competitors for things when women were allowed to compete in sports but they persevered and over time gained more members. So it's not that farfetched. But if you say that still won't work, having a sports category for Open Competition, where anyone of any gender can compete, that might work but I think it would have to be something like boxing, where you have "weights" and compete against others that match your level/skill and size.
Genuine question, when you say trans league do you mean a transwomen's and transmen's league respectively? Because if we combine all trans people into one category that's honestly kind of causing the same issue I fear
@@Resonance1919 Yeah, I mean a league for all but have a transmens division and a transwomens division within it. Like a lot of other sports do.
I agree, make a male and female league for trans. No one said to put them all together male and female. But I get your confusion.
Very well said and balanced presentation. I am a healthcare professional working with elite athletes for 30 years. These issues are real and need to be worked out.
This is by far the best, most articulate, most scientifically grounded, least emotionally loaded perspective I have ever seen or heard on this subject. Lord how I wish every controversial subject could be approached in this manner.
genuine question- what about trans men? is it unfair for trans men to compete in mens competitions, since they (probably) went through female puberty? or would it be unfair for them to compete in womens competitions since they have testosterone?
They wouldn’t come close to cis men, but their testosterone therapy would be considered doping and give them an unfair advantage over other females (like steroids). I think we need third categories for trans folks tbh.
@@idunsgarden so really, its unfair for trans men to compete with cis men if they went through female puberty, but unfair for cis women to compete with trans men as well? do you think scientifically trans men and trans women would be fair to compete with each other? thank you for responding respectfully :)
@@madelynhanes5759 I’m not the person who you’re replying to, but I think the only way trans participation is fair is by creating a trans league. In a trans league everyone has agency over their participation and bargaining power, and there’s no downside. I’d personally love to see a trans league match of any sport. Doesn’t take away from the integrity women’s sport and let’s the trans athlete’s talent shine versus their personal transition.
@@madelynhanes5759 show me a transmen who broke men's world record
Transmen know they wouldn’t have a chance because they have a woman’s body. Trans women is just another form of men taking up women’s spaces.
Loved your video doc, it was respectful, objective and science-based.
Thanks, Ivan!
This is why I always am of the opinion that either, as you suggested in the video, a league specifically for trans women is made available, or each trans athlete that wants to compete is evaluated on a case by case basis, so that trans women who did not go through male puberty aren’t given unfair disadvantages.
A trans league might even need a handicap system aka the Paralympics so different athletes can compete like for like
The fact that all you said in this video (and I mean everything, from "be nice to each other" to there is science and evidence and it is not transphobic to say that") needs to be said out loud just blows my mind. It shows how much these issues have been politicized to make people go against each other. Thanks for the video!
Everyone used to box around the bonfire at social gatherings in my old friend group, and one time our butch friend thought she could hang. I was 125 with basically no training other than how to put power into a punch at the time, and it was an absolute wash. A 125 Lb man in good shape can literally pick up a 300 lb person by the waist and walk around with them. A 200 lb woman can barely pick up said 125 lb man in most cases. There is no contest.
Thank you. You can support trans rights while acknowledging science. It’s not fair.
Thank you for making this video, and for being so respectful! I can understand why this is a sensitive subject for some people. ❤
Dr Ryan, thank you sooo much for being sensitive to trans people while also acknowledging science as well. I know it's a delicate subject, but you nailed it.
Thank you Doc! For bringing compassion, kindness, as well as intellect and fairness (why do we continue to insist we have to choose between them???) to a very tricky subject. We will all be (hopefully) around to work our way thru this adolescence in society. Blessings!
We have to because the crazies look at biological fact and see physical violence. If the reaction is the same, either way, I may as well have some fun at their expense.
I really respect you and your video!! Thank you. This whole thing with Lia Thomas is making me and millions of other non-trans-phobic normal people very angry because it is so so unfair to the women who have trained their whole lives as Cis Gender Biological Females. Feminists should be outraged!! I am not sure what solution can be made for Trans women, but them absolutely spanking Cis Gender women and breaking tons of NCAA records is simply madening. I give you total mad props for speaking the truth in love and being totally honest. People who say there are no differences between male and females are either lying out their teeth or have never watch sports across both genders or must be horribly clueless in how the world works.
Are you sure that the problem here isn't just that you believe being transgender is a sin? Also, in my experience, most Christian traditionalists don't care about women's sports or believe women should even be in sports to begin with.
@@technoloverish I don’t know what you pretend to know about me. I’m a college athlete who values equality between men and women’s sports. Women have real rights and if it was swimming or badminton or ping pong, cis women ought to compete against cis women. My interest in womens swimming is a mute point. My beliefs are mute as well, a red herring. Your comment is mute. I love women, I married one and think they are wonderful and ought to have a fair playing field. Why so judgmental? Why so self-righteous?
@@StevenWayneJones
Okay, so are you also fighting for them to get better pay? How about equal airtime?
@@technoloverish no because I’m not dumb. Those factors are only a part of supply and demand unfortunately. Teams literally cannot and networks literally cannot. If female sports were equal in abilities then supply and demand would likely be equal but they are not. Let’s not be silly.
@@technoloverish you do realize the pay that female athletes earn is totally on them right? 1. they are being paid more then what they earn 2. unlike the men, the women rarely go back to their contract and demand higher pay.
Bro so much respect on how u put this video together it took away a lot of the stereo types I have for the lbgt community respect on all levels keep it up
Thank you for watching!
0. I appreciate the frequent disclaimers that issues regarding marginalized communities need to be addressed with care and kindness.
1. Being in the broader LGBTQ community doesn't necessarily mean anyone can speak properly for transgender individuals. You do present your stance as a evidence-based opinion which I thoroughly appreciate, because evidence holds regardless of how you identify. But in general, I don't feel comfortable speaking for Black people at large _as_ a Black person. No group is monolith, even when we acknowledge and accept scientifically relevant evidence. Because even evidence must be weighed properly with other factors such as values. Boiling some discussions down to simple scientific evidence can create a purely utilitarian approach to solving problems that becomes less "human."
12:00 2. I also fight this tendency, but you don't need to earn the respect of straight people who don't value you in the first place. It is good to want to base your opinion in fact and acknowledge matters that don't always bend an argument to "let you get your way." But I would say to do that for yourself and for truth and not for the majority. You don't need to earn our respect as people. You should have that as default as people.
3. And more specifically, a transgender league or division of sports isn't feasible for a couple of reasons, and it's deeply problematic for one other:
3a. There's not enough transgender athletes at any level of competition to create a league. Especially at the school level where people are still trying to identify their identities.
3b. Even if you had enough folks for a transwoman or transman league, you'd have to find resources for leagues when ciswomen already have trouble having resources for their own leagues to play professionally. You'd likely have even fewer resources and sponsors to support the league and competitions.
3c. This also doesn't quite consider how people identify and present and transition. In the same sense that not every trans person wants to use HRT or present as a man or woman to identify outside of binary gender, trans athletes may not want to effectively dope "up" with testosterone or dope "down" or have surgery to play. That's more of a concern at elite levels of competition, but it is a consideration: trans and how trans people present is _broad._
3d. And even with consideration of the physical differences between men and women (and as you mentioned, those who are intersex and those like Caster Semenya who do not know they were intersex, because your first birthday gender assignment is very often the equivalent of that "How I Met Your Mother" meme), creating a broad, formalized league "othering" people who are deeply marginalized may do more harm to the trans community than the relatively few transwomen athletes that dominate women's sports (because despite the general differences between the broader two sexes, not every transwoman dominates in her sport.)
In fact, that sad, White girl (Chelsea Miller) who was beaten by by transgirl athletes in TRACK? The girl you showed a lot in this video?
She later *_BEAT_* one of the trans athletes she's suing in the 55-meter dash to win her class title.
My point is that if there's a solution, it's going to be best if it's nuanced solution that isn't broad inclusion or exclusion with the understanding that competitive sports are inherently unfair for reasons outside of identity, puberty, and hormones. Like training facilities, income, size differences within cisgender athletes, and many more.
The science must definitely be part of the discussion, but it's not sufficient to broadly say trans athletes shouldn't ever be able to participate with cis athletes, even at elite levels of competition.
As a transgender woman I totally agree with the findings. However, we have to distinguish between transgirls who transition before and those who transition after puberty. Thus, it is not correct to simply ban all transgirls in female sports. Each case has to be considered separately before making a decision.
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This was awesome man. Everything about who you are, between being a doctor and being part of that community, I feel really makes you an objective voice on the subject. People like you are the right kind to be making videos like this. Thankyou for posting this. I know the video is a year old but still wanted to applaud you on it.
Thanks Jono!
When is this utter idiocy going to stop?
The statistic that shows that 14/15 year old boys will beat adult females is even more crazy than it initially seems. Because it's not just that they are biologically advanced, they are so advanced that they can even make up a lack in skill and technique that adult women have over them as they have trained longer and are also smarter.
The argument of transphobia is mostly ridiculous. If people were transphobic, they would be against trans atheletes in general. But it's only trans women that get targeted because trans men come to the playing field with a disadvantage, so most people don't care if they compete in the same league.
The very vocal advocates are actually and ironically hurting the cause more than they are helping it. Because in the end, I'm very much a libertarian. You are free to live your life as you want as long as you don't hurt anybody. But trans females do when it comes to sports.
This is the most balanced video I think I've ever seen on any controversial subject on UA-cam. I was definitely on the fence, thinking how beneficial participation in team sports can be for mental health, but now I'm seeing a different perspective. Thank you for this!
See, this is how you have this conversation. You bring facts while you lead with empathy. I am part of the LGBT+ community too and hate how both sides tend to argue their points. One side tends to lack empathy while the other refuses to acknowledge certain facts and factor it into their argument.
Like, the trans community is subjected to so much hatred and the discourse around whether trans women should compete in women's sports is saturated with so many bad faith actors that the conversation becomes diluted. In my opinion, this is not the biggest issue facing the trans community and it is certainly blown out of proportion by certain reactionaries. With that being said, it is valuable that we have it and look at the data as objectively as possible to come to some sort of conclusion. It is important to maintain fairness while being human about it.
The trans women will one day be playing a contact sport with a woman.
Does she have to die or get seriously injured before you think it’s a serious issue? Not to mention that small little fact, that this is another attempt to erode women’s rights
It’s more like the straw that broke the camel’s back. It’s a number of things that snowballed. such as women spaces such as locker rooms, bathrooms and sororities houses were the Tran women make the rest of the group uncomfortable.
Too many demand that those who are sexually attracted to women must date them because they are “women”.
I do strongly object to this term 'cisgender women'. Why should biological women have to put up with having our sex broken up into pieces to accommodate some dissatisfied men? I have no problem with a man identifying as a woman, but I do have a problem with a man identifying as female then dissing biological women and particularly our female atheletes who have worked hard for their competition position on a level playground to other female atheletes. The Australian rugby player who identifies as a woman but has fathered three children, still has his genitalia and lives with his wife and children. Transgender atheletes and in any other area of competition should have their own category or the atheletic boards need to bring in mixed events with weight classes as in boxing.
Problem is, many states in the USA are banning trans people from school sports in general, even when it's not competitive, but simply participating in the training.
No they’re not. Don’t be stupid.
Thank you so much for the level-headed fact-based video I appreciate this!
Thank you for watching!
I am so glad we have athletes weighting in on this. Also I know it was implied but for contact sports people could be seriously injured with bone density differences. Do people think that if a person (such as Jazz Jennings, as referenced below) who didn't go through puberty as a male, should be allowed to be on a female team? She's not super into sports now but I'm not sure how things would have turned out if she stayed with soccer. Would this muddy the waters and cause people to transition earlier?
@ja de :)
@@MichelleCallahan I personally think people like Jazz should be able to compete with cis women as I don't think there is a huge difference between men and women before puberty. I agree with Dr. Ryan in that there should be research into it though. I'm sure it'll confirm that early transitioning MtF people are basically the same as cis women when it comes to their ability to play sports.
I definitely think that someone like Jazz would have a different experience. I think it would be great to look into research for kids that transition before puberty. In general, it’s not as common to transition at a younger age, but if you do say before puberty, there most likely is in that same advantage
@@MichelleCallahanmany intersexual differences are already created prenatally. As soon as the development is induced in female or male, so from about the 6th /7th week of pregnancy. Jazz Jennings also has gender-based advantages over females.
@@Jade-ku2vz I think many differences are there at birth. There needs to be more research but in my experience that's what I've noticed.
We have male and female categories, maybe we could really look into MTF and FTM categories for higher level sports? Idk?
I agree! We will have to see what happens down the line
But that is not what TRAs want. They say TWAW and therefore TW must have access to women specific spaces...It is political and not based on biological/medical facts or common sense but on ideological worldviews.
@@windeaterXX twaw !!
ig I could be called a TRA and I think it’s a good idea. Also trans women *are* women
@@hbalint88 no, they aren‘t. They are men.
Totally agree Dr. Ryan. It is the phobia that I hate, the use of attacking words and attacking actions. Focus on the system as this is where the problem resides. There are classes in most sports so, perhaps evaluation before a competition to class a person would be reasonable. Some sports may not need this system and some will but this depends.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! I’ve been searching for an objective/unbiased/fact-based breakdown on this topic.
It's pretty basic shit. It's not fair and should not be allowed, they need their own division. There's a reason why you don't hear trans-men obliterating men, how trans woman are beating biological woman. It's not fair to take away a womans only safe place like that. I support trans people and the equality they deserve to have but it's heartbreaking to see woman who work their entire lives to compete and get the notority for it just to be beat by a man who transitioned 2 years ago.
@@daMillenialTrucker I expressed gratitude for the objective content because it offered information that was not only personally enlightening, but that I also feel comfortable referencing in future conversations. As a woman (cisgender female) who was a competitive multi-sport athlete throughout my entire academic career… & who practiced mixed martial arts at a competitive level for several years (followed by nearly a decade of practicing/training recreationally/socially)… AND who is also an ‘out’ member of the LBGTQ+ community (I also have personal, professional & academic affiliations with both UK & UPenn sooo yeah… it’s been a hot button topic of late, to say the least), I know that this topic is one that is likely to be passionately discussed/debated with increased regularity moving forward. I prefer not to engage or voice an opinion where I feel that I lack at least a objective, knowledgeable foundation…
The sexes are separated for fairness. Honestly mainly fairness for the girl/women. Its like weight classes in fighting sports. It wouldnt be fair to put a light, lean fighter up against a heavy, muscular fighter. So putting someone with a biological advantage over the majority of participants is so unfair. Biological women finally reached a point where we had so many rights afforded us.
Even a man and woman of the same height and weight wouldn’t be able to compete. Men have so many physical advantages over women. It’s just biological fact.
I agreed with everything you said, except the last part where individual sports should assess their own rules/adjustments based on the innate differences, precisely because of what you said through the whole video. Even though the differences are small, they still make a difference. I think of it, in some sports, not all, like weight classes. 1Kg may make you go up a class, where you can struggle against someone heavier but it's in that range, but the reverse is true as well, where someone may struggle against you due to the same reasons. If we really want to be inclusive, and there's 0 reasons for people not to be inclusive, the only fair thing to do is to create a trans category, otherwise, trans men and/or trans women will always have, on most of the cases, an advantage in case of trans women competing in women's sports, or a disadvantage in case of trans men competing o men's sports (although oddly enough, we don't here as many cases of the latest...), and this is not being offensive, it's just reality. Anyway, even thought I disagree with you on the very last topic, I enjoyed the video and content!
Here is my take as a gay man, technically a member of LGBT community but I don't want to associate myself with them.
1. I support transition, but transwoman is not a woman. Woman mean human female.
2. Intersex is people born with ambiguity. There's no third sex or third gamates, only sperm and ovum.
3. Don't want to date transpeople is not transphobic.
4. Transwoman shouldn't compete in woman sport regardless of their hormone level.
5. Pronouns is "earned" not chosen. It mean if a transwoman is presenting herself as a woman, then I will use she/her. I realize this is problematic since not everyone have the money to afford surgery.
Excellent video, I´m usually fairly sceptical to the trans movement, but videos like this help me see thing for different sides. Keep it up!
An activist looks for evidence that support their preconceptions in pursuit of affirmation. A scientist looks for evidence that refutes their preconceptions in the pursuit of truth. Thank you for being a scientist!
Hye guys,please help me form my opinion based on logic and facts
I have a question,i stumbled upon a video,where an argument was made that even differences races have different bone density,so why all men teams are not segreted
So does anyone has a strong counter argument for that?
Please provide factual,and scientific approach to the argument
Thanks in advance
@@MissionTapasya Why do you think so few Chinese players are in the nba? They have their own league with many players with lower bone density, height, weight etc.. The short answer is, the segregation occurs naturally. Which is just more proof that bone density is a significant factor, at least in this sport.
There is no need for a Trans Sports category, just make the men's category, open to all, women, men, trans women, trans men and intersex people, then keep the women category with just biological women.
They already all. Every "men's" category is actually open. Any and all are welcome to compete, regardless of sex or gender. But due to men's biological advantages, it's virtually impossible for women to have a chance to compete, so the open category ends up as all men. The same is true for mental competitions such as chess, due to men having larger / smarter brains.
Holy shit! You not only approached the trans-sport topic fairly, you also addressed the silliness of both sides slinging ad hominems at each other for not agreeing with their "side". I love it. We need to go back to our "you do you" roots. I'm a firm believer that we should all try to engage people as humans first, actions second, and then all the extra stuff we identify with (or as) as tertiary. But I guess even that statement I just made is a little too simplistic... I like your nuanced breakdown of the situation a lot. Great video!
As a thought for this disparity, when women were first allowed to become police, firefighters, and elite military, there was a different measure for skills between men and women. A woman doing the same task was measured at a different level from the men. Through an obstacle course, men and women have a different time to qualify. Women have a lower time. As an example, men need to do the course in 4 minutes, but women need to do it in 4 1/2 minutes. Rather like women's tees in golf. Perhaps transwomen could be given a different time to finish a race, or seconds added to their time. This wouldn't work for a lot of elite sports, but perhaps it could work in others. Just a thought.
This is an excellent video! Very educational! This situation with Lia Thompson is causing such an uproar. What about the transgender boxer Fallon Fox who broke the skull of the biological female Allanna Jones? Perfect example of why it’s wrong for transgender female to compete in the same sports as biological female.
And there are many other such trans athletes taking away opportunities and scholarships from females
Look at CECE Teflor
Isn't it oh so ironic that we're not seeing females identifying as male's competing in male sports. So in a nutshell, men can carry on in their respective sports unhindered by gender identity politics, but women are just expected to shove over.
i'm sick of trans men in men's sports. they're always taking last place when that should be the place of the weakest man. unfair.
I agree. It's so unfair for women.
@@nerdgenius915 not sure how your comment relates here
@@nerdgenius915 you probably can, but i expect trolls everywhere as well. you can usually just ignore them.
Actually it's the "female victim" complex + general misandry
trans men in bathrooms and locker rooms are not being called predators, their not peeping on the vulnerable men or boys just as trans boys are just fine in their respective sports, no one cares because saying "we need to protect _our_ men" is an uncomfortable/"wrong" thing to say, saying this won't get you viewed nearly as much as "_our_ women are endangered" as only BIO MALES🤬😡are able to commit great violence.😒
it about controlling femininity, as well as garnering an emotional response to further ones own standing in any setting.
trans-women statistically underperform in sports and have been playing them for decades, flying totally under the radar for some totally magic reason[politics]the 2 trans in the beginning both lost to a cis-women at that track meet, a trans woman lost to an 8yold in a skateboarding competition.
splitting categories wouldn't really work as their just not enough trans women playing in these sports to form any kind of actual team or anything else worth watching.
as a more permanent slow moving fix, allowing trans people to transition earlier than the norm right now, being after puberty has taken place and wreaked absolute havoc on a trans kids image; would effectively get rid of this issue.
It doesn't matter how this is presented. The Trans Women don't want a level playing field.
After reading more papers on the subject, I must assert that the paper sourced for these conclusions (Hilton, E., & Lundberg, T.) (hereafter shortened to H,E,L,T) is full of methodological errors. This paper (linked below) is a litterature search requested by some official Canadian agency about sports, and the paper thouroughly demonstrates the short comings of the paper sourced for this video. In appendix A of the paper I found, It goes over well nigh every other paper on the subject in brief and summarizes them. The issues included in H,E,L, T are many.
For example: They use grip strength as a proxy for overall strength which is not comparable. Their data includes women who've been on HRT for only two months, and use that data to claim that twelve months is not enough. They assume pre-transition trans women are comparable to cis men, when they are not at all comparable in some areas. They claim the Q angle give athletic advantages, when there is no evidence to support that assertion. They claim that bone density confers athletic advantagese when that is not supported. They claim that trans women reatin an advantage in lung size, but fail to contorl for height and ignore data that finds that lung size is not a proxy for endurance. They fail to effectively control their studies, either not acounting for height and weight at all, not controlling for other measures, or just doing so improperly. They fail to account for the fact that nearly every trans women who suppresses testosterone ALSO takes supplemental estradiol, which makes their body fat nearly identical to cis women. They often say that trans women retain the hemoglobin levels of cis men, when that is just outright false, and the paper I found has several studies concurrently demonstrating that. FInally, they have excluded data that contradicts them. There were other issues that were harder for me to understand, so I won't assert them with confidence.
Furthermore, the scientific review describes the paper as more akin to an argumentative essay than a scientific review, and some of the studies failed to disclose that they had been funded by anti-trans hate groups.
The scientific review is called "Transgender athletes and elite sport: A scientific review" adn a link can be found to it here:
www.cces.ca/sites/default/files/content/docs/pdf/transgenderwomenathletesandelitesport-ascientificreview-e-final.pdf
I appreciate your attempt to look at this matter objectively, but unfortunately your source of information has many issues, I urge everyone to check out the scientific review I found and to change your mind. If you are actually acting in good faith I hope you will see the truth.
If I could give you a bigger thumbs up I would.
First time on your page but I’m intrigued and genuinely agree, I agreed to this idea since transgender athletes were allowed in extremely competitive sports(obviously not hate to trans) but the boost in muscle mass and body building makes a gap in the playing field that is just unfair
Thank you for watching, Kayla! I agree. We can support trans people and still question the ethics of trans women in competitive sport settings where cisgender women are defeated.
Go to be the first person in this comment section not hiding bigotry in code, goodness.
Amazingly well done video... This issue needs attention NOW... So many young ladies are being cheated out of their futures they've worked so hard for.
Thanks for watching!
how many women can be cheated out of a future in swimming when there is ONE transfemale swimmer in the entire country? One at the most... and the one who was the least capable to begin with is the one who would be dropped - the one who wouldn't have won anyway.
This was the best video I've ever seen on this subject. You kept to the science while at the same time being respectful and empathetic to trans women. You, sir, are an invaluable asset to the UA-cam science community.
I'm not a doctor, but I suspect Trangender leagues are going to be equally problematic depending on when the transition happened. Those who transition later are going to have an advantage over those who transition earlier, no matter their current hormone levels.
My first thought was classes like they have for weight in boxing/etc. But idk, I feel like it would get too touchy if we require them to disclose their transition age?? Idk what to do tbh.
I think the weights or transition age is a good thing too. Before puberty / after puberty @@TTAmber
You got my vote. Objective and fair. Well done doctor.
Thank you!
As a trans-female and feminist I'm glad you made this video and unpacked every aspect of this topic and even mentioned why can't we find solutions to make things fair for born females and still compete agree with you 100% and I think we trans females should have our own sports and trans males should have theirs everyone should be looked at closer, by hormonal and physical attributes.
Isnt that gonna be a social issue? "if trans woman is woman, why we have to split it?"blabla
The thing that's always stuck out to me is that the vast majority of people seem to be a-ok with other biological advantages in sports (height, leg/arm length, etc.), yet it's suddenly an issue when it comes to trans athletes.
And instead of advocating for changing the categories that divide athletes into things like weight classes that would actually make competitions more fair (not only in terms of trans women vs cis women, but in general), most people just want to either bar trans women from women's sports entirely or force them into their own competitions.
From what I've seen, that's the thing that most trans women are actually angry about whenever this topic is brought up. Most people don't actually care about "fairness" in sports; they're just using that as an excuse for their transphobia.
People definitely use the sport-argument as a way to perpetuate hate against the trans community. When it comes to other non-sex based advantages, I’d argue professional female athletes are top performers because they all possess biological advantages. It’s not unfair to other women that don’t make it professionally, it’s the nature of sports. Sports are centered on physical ability, therefore the strongest and fittest women will be on top. Records are broken, because another woman with a greater advantage than the woman before wins, or her performance is optimized in some way. Even so, the top performing women still fall short against some trans athletes because the peak physiological ability for male biology is still higher than the the peak ability for woman. This doesn’t mean every trans woman has a biological advantage over every cis woman, but it means the peak potential on average is different. Women may have certain biological advantages to other women, but the best woman still doesn’t beat out the best man in sports.