RTX 4080 SUPER Vs RX 7900 XTX [42 Game Benchmark | 1080p, 1440p & 4K]
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
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After our reviews of the new SUPER cards from NVIDIA, we started looking back at head to head videos and remaking them but with the new cards to see how, if at all, they change things. Today is the turn of the 4080 SUPER to face off against the 7900 XTX to see if this new better value card from NVIDIA can keep up with AMD.
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00:00 Introduction
00:25 Sponsor
01:03 The Cards
01:59 How We Test
03:08 A Plague Tale: Requiem
03:31 Baldur's Gate 3
03:57 Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare II
04:22 Cyberpunk 2077
04:45 Cyberpunk 2077 RT
05:10 F1 23
05:40 F1 23 RT
06:01 Far Cry 6
06:30 Far Cry 6 RT
06:54 Hogwarts Legacy
07:16 Hogwarts Legacy RT
07:40 Marvel's Spider-Man remastered
08:02 Marvel's Spider-Man remastered RT
08:24 Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
08:48 Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart RT
09:14 Starfield
09:34 Performance Analysis
10:37 Percentage Difference 1080p
11:20 Percentage Difference 1440p
11:58 Percentage Difference 4K
12:24 Percentage Difference RT 1080p
12:42 Percentage Difference RT 1440p
13:03 Percentage Difference RT 4K
13:46 Power & Temps
13:59 Power Consumption
14:51 Temperatures
15:33 Final Thoughts
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I just ordered a 7900xtx to go with my new build using a 7800x3d. Currently running a 4790k and a gtx 1080 so the performance bump is gonna be crazyyy. I'm so excited
Let me know because i have the same specs and like to upgrade as well :)
How is your rig?
I'm upgrading from a gtx 1650 so you can imagine my excitement
been a month with my new 7900xtx coming also from a gtx 1080. I'm just flipping dude
That is a huge upgrade and a high end build.
For me where I am the price is $950 for the 7900 XTX and $1,200 for the 4080 super.
No matter which way you slice it the 4080 Super isn't $250 dollar better unless you're just a Cyberpunk,Allen Wake player and only care about RT in them games and don't ever play anything else.
But at the end of the day get the GPU YOU want and can afford and be happy both are powerhouse cards that will give many years of 1440p and 4k max setting worth of gameplay.
Finally, someone said what I've been trying to say. Those 2 games are not the end all be all. People play other games not just those 2. So 250 is not worth it.
Here in Italy it's almost the same thing. 950€ for the cheapest XTX and 1180€ for the cheapest 4080 super.
And don't ever play anything else ???? Why this conclusion. No i will Tell You If You wanna test every Ray tracing implementation on future games, If the games You play u see instability maybe u need dlaa. U have this anti aliasing method Best to date for the Best image quality u can get to date. And this is why u pay extra. And some users will pay extra for that.
@pR0ManiacS Only Allen Wake 2 and Cyberpunk at 4k pushes the 7900 XTX down...I can run RT at 1440k Ultra on Cyberpunk and get over 60 frames of smooth gameplay...
If you ONLY play them titles at 4k then the 4080S will be the way to go but all other RT games can be played with the 7900 XTX.
I play mostly sim racing and online shooters which will NEVER have RT in them so for me getting the 4080 for more money is useless.
Except 4080 Super isnt 1200. Its 1000 retail from lots of retailers.
Here from the XTX vs 4090 video. Wow your videos are crispy AF. Great job and you got a subscriber. See you again soon.
Thanks man. Appreciate that. We also have a discord (discord.gg/eTeknix) and Patreon (www.patreon.com/eTeknix) if you want to get involved but perfectly fine if not 🙂
Wonderfull job my dear,as always. I met you for the first time when you did the video on The Verge PC building,i literally died. Since then i still follow your amazing job. An hug from Italy,keep going 💜
Thank you for your videos, they really help along with other UA-cam videos and resources with my decision making for which parts to use in my build. I like the approach you take.
What is your budget and what parts did you pick?
Excellent work on that video
Thank you 👍🏾
Tbh I expected more for the 4080 super, but I'm glad that I went for 7900xtx instead
Give it a bit time, the card just got out, 7900XTX have more mature drivers being on the market longer time than fresh new 4080 Super.
@dennythescar80s8 that and if you want to turn on raytracing or think dlss is quite a bit better than fsr. I use dlss in every game that has it. Usually in quality or ultra quality but it looks really good now
@@veilmontTV Why buy a premium priced 4k card, just to play in 2k? I really dont understand..
@@dennythescar80s8given that the 4080 super is just a 4080 with a price cut I doubt we'll see any big driver uplifts.
Both cards represent a decent choice for the consumer. AMD card if you only care about raster or Nvidia card if you want RT/PT and better upscaling and frame gen. I'm a graphics snob so never even considered the XTX. Both are still 200 dollars too expensive though.
This is exactly what I look for when comparing, thank you guys for the excellent video and concise information, subbed and liked.
Thanks Andy.
Were you using a wattmeter to test power consumption? because that 482 looks like a spike because iv'e seen way higher then that i think 592 watts was the maximum reported on MSI afterburner on my gigabyte gaming OC 7900 xtx after doing a 20 minute run in cyberpunk 2077 at 4k maximum settings
What's up with your red dead redemption benchmarks? Never seen such a big gap between amd and nvidia on other channels.
Both RDR2 and Plague Tale make no sense
amd paid him@@jazz9fr
One point that shouldn't be overlooked is overclocking. I've had both Reference and Nitro + 7900 XTX's, and the reference overclocked 10% over stock and the Nitro about 14-15% over reference stock. On the 4080's you're lucky if you get 5% extra, usually more like 3-4%
Clocks depend on game/benchmark. On my overclocked Nitro I've seen up to about 3150 Mhz in game. But 3050 is more reallistic for stable OC. Some punishing benchmarks more like 2970 Mhz,@@user-jn7gm3ct8z
He is referring to the reference card where the base clock is 2300mhz and boost only 2500mhz. So in that case the nitro +has a base clock of 3000 mhz. The board partner model of the 4080 is almost on the max possible target. There is barely headroom for OC. No big difference between reference and board.
My nitro+ runs well at these settings:
Base speed 3000mhz
Power + 15%
Voltage 1100mv
VRAM 2700mhz
Any further is possible depending but you have to unfortunately increase the voltage
I get the same 10% out of my non-OC 4070 Ti model. So I do not see any reason why 4080 Super is a worse overclocker. Unlike 7900 XTX, this card is somewhat limited by memory bandwidth, so overclocking VRAM alone will surely bring 5% improvement. Overcloking cores will result in another 5%.
Show me a 4080 Super OC doing 17K on Timespy Extreme. Or 32K in regular Timespy (Graphics score)@@stangamer1151
The 7900xtx is actually the worst card I have ever had the misfortune to overclock. You have to tune it on a game to game basis as the core clocks can change by almost 300mhz in certain loads. In 3dmark I could get the card to hold over 3ghz no problem but then I'd load up a game and anything over 2.7ghz would crash, then I'd play another game and 2.8ghz was the magic number before it crashed. There is zero consistency with the card and honestly unless you want to stress test every game then it's not worth overclocking. The 4080 Super on the other hand took me 10 minutes to dial in and has been a rock solid 2940mhz in every load. Overall the 4080 gets like 5-7% increase max i've seen was 11% and the AMD best case would get 0-12% depending on the load. Overall I'd say they have similar headroom but the AMD is just way too finicky for me to ever want to OC again.
Over here the Xtx is 20~25% cheaper, making it a no-brainer.
The XTX price is very appealing, but it seems like the long term investment favours the 4080S, given the energy consumption difference. I'd probably end up spending the monetary difference on electricity while gaming alone, in less than a year. It's a lot of money that can go towards new high end card when the time comes. It's something to consider.
@@madman2u Long term investment with 16 GB of VRAM ? I don't know about that one chief .
@@blabla-fw9ixlet him cook 😂
@@arvindkadam6709 He ain't gonna be cooking long with that much VRAM 😀
LOL@@blabla-fw9ix
can you make a review for Colorful brand like the 4070ti super/4080 super of Ultra W OC and Vulcan W oc and Advance OC. it has good score to some benchmark but some says it has poor build quality.
There is absolutely no way the XTX is 45% faster than a 4080S in Plague Tale Requiem
There isn't one review out there with such a big gap between the two in this game
I know people bench different scenes but even then that is just so out of the norm that it can only be an error
We retested that recently to make sure it was right and then retested again. These are the figures for all of the latest cards
RTX 4090 24GB 82
RTX 4080 SUPER 16GB 60
RTX 4080 16GB 59
RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16GB 50
RTX 4070 Ti 12GB 47
RTX 4070 SUPER 12GB 40
RTX 4070 12GB 34
RTX 4060 Ti 8GB 27
RTX 4060 8GB 21
RX 7900 XTX 24GB 87
RX 7900 XT 20GB 75
RX 7800 XT 16GB 40
RX 7700 XT 12GB 33
RX 7600 XT 16GB 23
RX 7600 8GB 22
As you can see, they all line up as you'd expect them to do so. Maybe the different people have it wrong but my data has been validated several times, retested and I record the number it spits out to me.
I'm guessing those other people have NVIDIA Super res on or a better performance resolution optimiser on which will likely favour NVIDIA or Reflex enabled. There's a ton of settings that would favour NVIDIA.
@@eTeknixthose numbers still don't make any sense. How is the rx 7900 xt 87,5% faster than the rx 7800 xt while it only has 40% more cores. Even if we say it scales perfectly it'll be 50% faster than it at best. There seems to be an error in the tests. Even in Hardware Unboxed's videos the numbers are way closer between all those cards (7800xt, 7900xt/xtx and rtx 4070ti super)
I enjoyed your video today but as always there could be some real world difference between these 2 cracking cards, I would be interested to know what monitor you used in these tests, a lot of people won’t be making desicions correctly based on these tests, if someone has a 60hz 4K monitor then a lot of these tests won’t matter as both cards would be very evenly matched in terms of raw power, and so the cost would make a difference. Could you test these cards with 2 different monitors or different refresh rates and connections via display ports and hdmi as this would help more people narrow down the differences.
I’m not a fanboy and enjoy all graphics cards but most of all I like to pay less for more or is that more for for less 😂
Not sure what you mean here, people can see the frame rates at different resolutions here, that's what they can base their monitor choice upon no need for specific tests on individual monitors
In August of 2023, I really lucked out because Newegg had an open-box card that was priced so low that I couldn't say no. They had an ASRock Radeon RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC for $1148CAD which was about $850USD. After verifying that it was still fully covered by ASRock's factory warranty, I pulled the trigger and it has had a home in my Server Supertower ever since.
It was being sold even cheaper than the RX 7900 XT at the time and, even though I was already rocking an RX 6800 XT, I knew that if I didn't buy the XTX, I'd be kicking myself for a very long time. To my knowledge, no XTX has been listed for that low of a price before or since.
thx for MWIII - Warzone test
In Germany the 7900 XTX is a no brainer. 950€. The 4080 Super is at 1200€
This is must be the price at mindfactory right?😂 yea I got that sweet hellhound 7900xtx for just 949euro, great value for high end cards for me tbh
I only play World of Warcraft (Wrath, SoD and retail), what card would you recommend for that? Playing on a 4k 144hz monitor…
3080-90, 4070/ti
7900xtx
Nvidia over AMD. I play WoW as well and there are so many driver crashes on my XTX that I wish I would have bought the 4080.
@@Valenzx718 Have to agree, I literally just ordered a 4080 super 15 minutes ago and am going to be selling my 7900 xtx. I'm so tired of pissing around with my computer and dealing with driver crashes in Darktide and other games. If the 7900 xtx wasn't plagued by garbage drivers and software I would love it. I've had it about a year and I just can't anymore. I'm sick and tired of the issues. Hell I had to order a new case just to fit the damn thing. It's so worth it if I don't have to deal with AMD driver crashing far too often.
AMD drivers especially are awful. It's unacceptable for a $1,000 card, hell it's unacceptable even for a $300 card. They are similar performance but if I don't have to deal with driver crashing I'll spend $200 more for the same performance. I've had enough, AMD has had more than a fair try from me having a 5700 xt which had some driver issues, had a 6900 xt which was fine and then sold again for a 7900 xtx and I'm just done playing with AMD driver disasters.
They need to stop trying to match Nvidia features and get stability down. You can make amazing cards but if they crash often no one cares and is exactly why their gpu market has barely moved. Fix your damn drivers AMD.
7900XTX have gone for as little as $799 in the US, the 4080 Super isn't going to touch that price anytime soon.
i bought mine for that price, loving it playing at 4k~2k, i think im saved for the next 2-3 generations
Where? I’m also in to US but everywhere I look I only find one sell for $919 for the cheapest one. Even the used market, the cheapest one I found is 855.
Never seen an 7900 XTX for that price
@@camdustin9164 mine i got on blackfriday so...cant really help
I’m selling my 7900xtx for a 4080s right now. Fsr vs dlss cannot be ignored
This was very comprehensive and quite surprising at times TBH. I had thought the 4080 Super would have had a bigger RT lead at all times than it (with a few exceptions such as outliers like Cyberpunk).
If both GPUs were the same price as they basically are in the US, I think getting a 4080 Super is a no brainer if you vou play a lot of RT games. In the EU given that the 4080 Super pricing is now the same as the standard 4080 and in some cases €100 more expensive for the same brand of card. And you can get a higher end 7900XTX for €200-250 less than a 4080 Super, the Super becomes a much harder sell. The 7900XTX is basically in the same price bracket as the 4070 ti Super here. At around €1050. I think the 7900XTX is the better choice in this region, even if you like RT turned on.
Nvidia takes a pretty significant lead in many other RT games, that were not tested here, like Avatar, Dying Light 2, Metro Exodus, Crysis, Returnal, Bright Memory, Guardians of the Galaxy, The Medium, Spider Man Miles Morales, SotTR, RTX Remix games etc. But it is just impossible to test every game.
The gap between these two cards depends on how many and how intensive (resolution/quality) RT effects are in certain games.
what is the power consumption on avarage on 1440p?
around 350w gpu only if u add another 300 from i9...yeah electric bill is up by around 15€ per month
@eTeknix What would you recommend to buy.
Asus GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER PROART-RTX 4080S at 1209,-
Sapphire NITRO+ AMD RADEON RX 7900 XTX Vapor-X 24GB at 1199,-
Asus GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER ROG-STRIX-RTX 4080S-O16G at 1399,-
For non ray tracing games go amd for ray tracing go NVIDIA
7900 XTX if you do not care for ray tracing. However, I would prefer the 4080/super because of how well DLSS compared to FSR performs. Nvidia has me sold with their non-gaming features such as RTX voice, RTX super resolution and HDR feature as of recently.
Will a 322mm GPU fit in 330mm gpu clearance case
if 322 a lower number than 330 then yes
why evga the only one that writes the full name of the GPU on the GPU like for example RTX 3080 all the others companies only just write GEFORCE RTX
I'll just wait for half yearly sale to buy 4080 super oc
Did you test in both cards with 200% of render image quality in settings? I have a RTx 7900xtx and when I put in 200% of render the 24 GB of VRAM supports without problems, but when I do it the same in RTx 4070 ti (12 GB of VRAM), this card exceeds the limit and has a dramatically falls in the FPS. Obviously, to do this in both cards I use a power supply of 1000 watts. I notice that in several comparisons in UA-cam, no one changes that settings. Why?
Should I buy a rtx 4080 super with a i7 14700k or a Rx 7900 xtx with a ryzen 7 7800x3d
The huge variance in power draw may not cause extreme temps on the core those temps are going into my room. I live in florida and the thought of paying for an extra 100-150 watts 10 hours a day and then paying to cool all that. The costs do add up for me. Not only that but my room is much more comfortable than it would be with the 7900xtx. Id honestly have bought the 7900xtx if it was more efficient
bought the Radeon 7900XTX Red Devil. Then, I played Cyberpunk 2077 constantly for about two weeks. Suddenly, the card just died completely. I returned it and got a full refund. I've been back with Nvidia ever since. Now, I'm considering getting a new 7900XTX. When I had the 7900XTX before, I experienced many driver issues. Have these been addressed, or are they still crashing frequently? Or was it just because the card I had was faulty?
Probably a faulty card. In my experience, weaker brands have a much higher chance of being faulty because of crap quality control.
Get a sapphire 7900xtx
I got the nitro+ and saw a reddit post where someone explained how to disable ULPS on windows so the occasional driver time outs stop. Took me a few seconds, restart, no more issues whatsoever, never crashed any of my games (CP 2077, BG3, Star citizen, TLOU1, tekken 8 and many more). I believe its a windows issue,not a GPU issue.
I oc+ uv -ed my 7900xtx and it runs at 280-300W on full load while never getting hotter than 50C°. Insane card..
@@cjpp78ytubeI've had to RMA 2 sapphire XTX's in a row. I don't think amd has reliable card makers yet
Stick with Nvidia. I literally just bought a 4080 super today and am going to sell my 7900 xtx. It's still plagued by driver crashing issues and I'm over it. Had the 5700 xt, 6800xt and 7900 xtx. The driver issues on the 7900 xtx is getting to be too annoying.
My situation was simple. Went into computer center saw that there was no XTX in stock. There was a 4080 Super so I got it.
I can get them for the same price, which one should I get for Flight Simulation?
Nvidia if it’s same price
Got the Sapphire 7900xtx pulse for my new build. I cant be happier coming from Nvidia. The price to performance is so good.
RT and path tracing wont go mainstream until Nvidia 6000 series, or when new gen console truly support it. 7900 XTX will last until PS6.
Man I hate the GPU market! Here in Australia the 4080 Super is $1699 AUD (1138 USD) while the 7900XTX is only $1499 AUD (982USD). Seems like the 7900xtx might be the better option, but damn it hurts when I only paid 1200 AUD for my 3080 12GB.
I'd like to see this benchmark again but with DLSS vs FSR 3 (or 3.1) included.
Only problem is now you can get a 4080S at 999 and it’s an argument to be made that the software may be worth the 50-100 dollar difference ?
$1000 for 4080 super - maybe in one country - USA, but the market is not limited to one country, in Europe the fees are higher and 1170 euro is the starting price in my country, but Europe is a target market for AMD and there are models even under 1000 euros for 7900 XTX
That is a scary thought where you said the 7900 xtx might lose support if AMD is not competing anymore at the high end. I just read AMD has NPU in CPU coming to desktop soon, so maybe they will just focus on cpus and such going into the future. Just picked up a 4070 Super and 5700x3d for 1440/120 gaming. It should be a massive upgrade from my Ryzen 1600 and Rx 470 4gb.
I really feel like you definitely favor amd thats pretty clear. We are all entitled to our opinions but i believe its whichever people wanna spend there $ on and what they enjoy 💯. Great video though
I disagree wholeheartedly. I’m all about value for money which AMD has the upper hand with but I can also see the added worth that NVIDIA bring in terms of their feature set so I guess you could say that I’m indifferent.
Didn’t expect this channel to be full of AMD fanboys but oh well
The fact that a 16gb vram card beats a 24gb vram card and stays much cooler is insaneeee.
I think both GPUs are top-notch, and you can't really go wrong with either. The 7900 XTX is still pretty good even for Ray Tracing, although it's slower than Nvidia - might be worth a price difference if that's important to you. Games like Rachet and Clank really show a big gap, but not all Ray Tracing games are like that. Nvidia's still faster overall, just not as mind-blowing as in Rachet and Clank. There are only like 5-10 games where you'll see a massive difference, like even 30% or more.
Nvidia also offers better upscaling/downscaling quality. DLSS Quality at 4K is almost free performance. And DLDSR does a great job in downcscaling 4K image to 1440p, unlike VSR. Plus, there is a difference in power efficiency. Taking into account all these factors, 4080 Super justifies it's small premium (if it is actually small, like less than $100).
@@stangamer1151 If it is just $100, I wouldn't prefer AMD either. For instance, when I bought the RX 7900 XTX Red Devil for $900, the RTX 4080 was $1200. I think they will drop XTX to $800 or even $750; otherwise, for $100, I wouldn't prefer AMD because it doesn't justify only $100. Ray tracing itself can justify it, let alone power efficiency or other factors.I forgot to mention about this in my original comment.
Ray tracing is still considered a setting so you can’t max out the settings with one card then it’s definitely not better
I got my xtx for 850 dollars while the 4080 super was 1300 dollars around that time, until now everything works perfect and I can play any game I tried until now at 4k with 100+ fps (most of the times around 140-150 fps)
Question did he use FSR3 for the 7900 xtx?
Nope
Oh wouldn’t that have closed down the margin in performance
But nvm thanks for this awesomevid
If we used fsr, then we’d have to use dlss to make it fair. We do have an upscaling video coming up soon though.
@@eTeknixwas just about to comment, please use dlss-Q or fsr-Q with RT enabled.
How many of u actually own all the RT games listed in the video? Do mention the number
Not quite sure what you mean
I do. I actually own more RT games than the ones listed and with RTX Remix releasing, hundreds of older titles will get new RT/PT mods that will be significantly better on Nvidia gpus. I think I'm more excited for RTX Remix mods and Half-Life 2 RTX than I am for most AAA games. It's a gimmick but it's a gimmick I enjoy.
If I only play cod, which card should I get and why?
who TF gets nvidia cards at MSRP? there was no price cut, the 4080's are all over $1200
I just looked on newegg. They are $999 but are out of stock.
@@eTeknix So You cannot buy at MSRP...
At the time of filming you could. Not really my fault that they sold out 😂
@@eTeknixdeliberate limited supply. Moorse law's is death on yt even said this on one of his livestreams if i recall correctly. Its sad but anything for a quick buck i guess🤷🏻♂️ meanwhile here in the Netherlands the 4070TI super starts at 999
u do know that EU has tax added on top of MSRP right? So basically u have to add 20/21/23% to the msrp to get base price depending on whatever tax there is on pc components in netherlands.
4070 ti msrp is like what, 799, with 20% tax it comes to 950~ so close.
It becomes beyond annoying that EU people still dont understand this to this day@@elitepauper7400
need to do this again with AIB gpus... noone is buying the ref 7900xtx due to its hotspot problems, they are also very hard to buy at least in the states
Performance would be 1-2% margin of error differences. Some games would go up, some down and some the same so would be pointless. Only difference would be temperatures and power.
True mine pushes damn near 485 watts compared to 355 ref card I get a huge boost in frames compared to what I see others when doing these benchmarks makes me feel like I have a completely different card.
Honestly the 4080 is fast enoug in raster that it doesn’t matter, but big leads In raytracing and upscaling
Yep. Dlss in quality looks fantastic. I can’t say the same about fsr. That and the power efficiency made me decide the 4080s
But why would u buy such an expensive 4k card, just to be able to handle RT for the price of playing in 2K using DLSS? The 4080 is essentially a crazy overpriced 1440p card with a VRAM amount already being reached (and even surpassed with texture packs). I cant seem to find any sense behind that DLSS and RT argument. Paying a premium price just to use the card a tier below and running into VRAM problems in about 2-3 years maximum. Just seems like a horrible investment to me.
Maybe with the next gen RT becomes a little more viable, but probably even more demanding or only accessable to 50-series cards, as typical for Nvidia. This gen I just dont see the 4080 being a good purchase, unless u plan to upgrade in just 2-3 years already, making it a shitty investment imo, cause almost any 4070 would have done the job for a way better price (or the 7900xtx and keep it for 5+years).
If you think the 4080s is a terrrible deal but the 7900xtx is a great, or think that the 3080 10gb was a great deal at 700 before inflation, then i cannot help you. @@Greenalex89
I recently chose the 4080S over the 7900XTX mainly for the better RT performance, feature set and generally lower power draw. RT is the future and rasterization is handled well enough in relation to the 7900XTX. Whilst native rendering has its merits DLSS really allows graphical fidelity to reach amazing new heights in RT or even just rasterized rendering.
@@Greenalex89 Actually, it depends about the 1440p you are talking about. I would say that the 4080 (super) is a great 1440p card in 21:9 which has more resolution than 16:9 but isn't quite 4k (21:9 1440p: 3440 x 1440 vs 16:9 1440p: 2560 x 1440 vs 16:9 'true' UHD/4k: 3840 x 2160)
DLSS and RT becomes actually pretty decent at that slightly below 4k resolution.
Where I live they are the same price, with the exception that for the 7900 XTX the cheaper ones are brands like ASRock, Sapphire, on the Nvidia side it's possible to have an ASUS TUF for the same price, personally, for the same price and the Asus brand that I trust much more than the cheaper brands from AMD I would tend to head towards Nvidia, if AMD would drop $200, that would be a different story.
If you have an AMD CPU paired with the AMD GPU, you can enable AMD's smart acces memory.
which gives it anywhere from 5 to 20% performance increase.
Then take into account that in most places the 7900xtx is a couple hundred bucks cheaper than the rtx4080,
And the fact that the 7900xtx has 8GB more VRAM..... the only reason you'd ever logically go for the 4080 super is if ray tracing is all you care about.
or if you care about stability
My opinion is: I don't care for those 5 games in the industry that have an RT option, I will never turn them on and lose a lot of FPS, but the truth is. The RTX 7900 XTX has 8GB more VRAM and 384 Bits and is more affordable, while the RTX 4080 Super has 16GB VRAM only and 256 Bits, for a num game workflow AMD, is the true winner BUT, if you are looking for Professional Workloads and IA Generators Locally, Nvidia is the only choice because all those professionals workloads loves CUDA Cores and AMD doesn't have it, which in my case is unfortunately since here in my country I can buy a card cheaper with 8GB VRam more and 128 Bits more, but I cannot buy it because doesn't have CUDA Cores.
yes its cheaper if you buy the brands that u dont see that much the good xtx are the same price as 4080 super
@@lucianogregory9986 Even then it`s the same price (384 Bits and 8GB More VRam)because the advantages of AMD for in gaming(for only gaming I should go for AMD with blind eyes without thinking) already mentioned by me, you can compare, 90% of the game benchmarks nVidia loses to AMDs contra part, sometimes the XT version beats the 4080 and 90% of the games XTX win versus 4080 Super, only loses to 4090 that is way more expensive and as I said before it's not magic, 4090 has 384Bits.
Correction, just because they are running at the same temperature, does not mean they are emitting the same waste energy as heat. I would assume due to the higher energy consumption the AMD card likely will dumb more heat energy into a room even if the measured temp of the card is the same.
Isnt that obvious? U wont skip basic physics - more wattage, more heat, scales the same across the board, 100w product will emit half the heat of 200w product.
100w product may admit more heat or less heat than a 200w (although your rule of thumb is not off it is an assumption), as heat is a waste product and a by-product of the efficiency of the processing. It is not necessarily a linear relationship.
My point was comparing two cards at different power draws and saying because they are the same GPU temperature does not mean the waste heat will be the same.
OC cards tend me be less efficient (as you push silicone harder efficiency or processing per watt will decrease, even if overall processing output is higher), so even if the cooler is maintaining the same temperature its likely dumping more waste energy into the room.
Largely this is why I undervolt components as it improves efficiency and increases the processing per watt. Reducing waste heat generation.
Truth is a lot of these cards have a huge margin of safety in for stability and longevity. So depending on the silicon lottery there is always room for optimisation and improved efficiency.
Another way to look at this is a bronze vs gold rated PSU. Both may produce 1000W on the DC side but the bronze will draw 1200w from AC , whilst the gold may only draw 1100w. Both have the same output, but the bronze will dump an additional 100w of waste energy into the room.
Again, bit of a generalisation but same rule of thumb.
Well my OC-ed and undervolted 7900xtx nitro+ has a max draw of 300W while never crossing 50C°, fans not noticable. A ton of factors play a role and assuming that power draw is equivalent to heat production is naiv at best, considering the comparison of 2 different systems.
People here commenting 7900xtx is better dont know that if u r spending 1000$ on a gpu u wont hesitate to spend a little more to get the cuda,rt,dlss,blender advantages
and you don't know that most people don't care about RT or upscaling because native just looks better and most people might not even use blender..
@@NulJern I'm talking bout 4k and a 4080
Brand wars aside, native absolutely dosent not always look better especially when game has bad anti aliasing implementation and it was proved over and over. Even stupid Red Dead redemption 2 looks miles better upscaled because their normal AA has insane shimmering on the trees@@NulJern
@@ItsDeeno69naah this gen's cards are not ment for 4k with rt except for 4090
I can get both for the same price here in Taiwan, should I go for the 4080 super?
Imho - yes. Dlls are really killer feature
eTeknix : they don't come both at sub 1000 US dollars....they don't even come evenly priced at all....and the 7900 XTX is faster in rasterizing in absolutely every game at any resolution.
cheapest RX 7900 XTX = Asrock RX 7900 XTX PG 24 GB = 1049 EUR (=1122 US dollars)
cheapest RTX 4080 Super = INNO3D GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER iCHILL X3 16GB = 1279 EUR (=1369 US dollars)
There are multiple 4080 Super cards that come in at $999, like the Asus tuf gaming, the MSI Ventus and the zotac trinity to name a few, and for AMD there are multiple XTX cards that come under the same $999 price point like the power colour red devil, the sapphire pulse and the xfx speedster, all of those cards can be seen on Newegg. And about the performance, claiming that the xtx was better in every raster game is an outright lie, all the information you presented was false, and for what?
@@Kuroi27300 you forget that you as american don't have VAT included in the advertising adds. Include that ajd you'll get the real street price.
@@lflyr6287 I'm not American
I think your review has the best honest opinion of each card and you can't go wrong with either of them. You don't really promote one or the other just point out the various differences and where they make sense for the consumer.
Thanks. Think you’re the first person to say that on one of our videos 😂 normally it’s from the people saying we’re hating on one brand or the other and how we’re shilling for one or the other.
Thanks ☺️
7900xtx will last longer than the 4080 super since 16gbs might last only two to three years where as the 24gb 7900xtx should last at least five or more years potentially
Why not include DLSS and FSR in the tests as well? The quality of DLSS is very good nowadays, and I always enable it when available.
Separate series of videos on that coming up soon.
In Norway, both cards come with a 1200+-$, so i dont see any good reason to choose amd instead of nvidia. If there were bigger differences in price, i may have chosen amd.
In the UK the 4080 Super is still at £1050, whilst I can find an RX 7900XTX for £900, the 7900XTX will be the card I’ll be going for in my first desktop build, currently I’m running a 4060 Laptop with a Ryzen 7 7735HS, it’s a good little laptop for £1366 and I’m happy how it performs at 1080p, but I want to use some heavier mods and wanna start gaming at 1440p/4K, I’m not too worried about Ray Tracing since if you wanna run ray tracing at 4K with 60FPS, you’re gonna need a 4090 for that, and I’d just rather buy another whole ass car for that money 😂
As an AMD user (6700XT, 6800XT and 6900XT in my systems), I decided to try a 4070 TI Super to replace my 6900XT. Wow what a massive jump up. Quality, FPS etc all way better. 4080 Super on its way for my other PC.
Many think the rx 7900xtx is better because it is cheaper and with more vram but as the technology moves ahead being a game designer myself I can say soon most games will come with Ray tracing as default and raw power wont be a thing..... Things like AI upscaling DLSS or FSR will become standard and not to forget the power consumption of the RTX card is way lower and with better performance in DLSS and RT for me the 200 dollars extra price tag is much more worth it. The only beef with 4080 super is the vram but I guess for most part atleast for a few years 16 GB will be more than enough for around 95% of the games. Just my take as an industry professional because it is much easier to light games using ray tracing than baking each light for rasterization so no designer or company ahead wants to spend time and money in baking lights just use ray tracing 1 click and realistic light no effort, and thats where I see the future game industry going. So yeah just a comment hope it gets pinned so that people also take into account these things before going for just raw power at cheaper price at cost of long term higher energy bills and less performance in future with RT games as default. 😅
I had the 7900xtx but had to return it. I was having so many issues with stuttering and about 20% of the time I had a weird artifact problem when starting a game. This was on a new build. I am much happier with the 4080.
Sounds like you got a defective card, which brand was it?
Xfx
What graphics card did you have befor it? Because if it was a nvidia gaphics card you have to get rid of the nvida drivers.
@@crazynat6165Oh I know. I learned my lesson a long time ago. I run DDU every time I change cards. I reseated the card and reinstalled the drivers 3 times. Even did a fresh windows install. After that I gave up. More than likely was a bad card out of the box.
With DLSS being so good, even better than native resolution is many cases, and FSR being so much worse I really think benchmarking Nvidia should always have DLSS on. I can't imagine not using DLSS but I almost always prefer native over FSR.
Fun fact: A Rzyen 7 7700 works well with a rx 7900 xtx surprisingly (in 1440p and 4k not 1080p lol)
Wait....when did the 4080 super cost under $1000?
Well I'm in Canada and mine with tax cost $1700.
7900 xtx will perform better with 5800x 3d then the rtx 4080S??
yes i have that in my pc rn with xtx BEAAST
4080 super is so disappointing, i expected a 10% perf increase but nope.
Yea would it been better to take 4090s that couldn't make the cut and call them 4080 super
4080 for $800-875 and 7900xtx for $700-810. US Dollars at least. I’ve fetched two 7900XTX at $710 and $800 and a pny 4080 for $800. At these prices which are 33% off or more of original msrp. Not too bad. So it’s not just a want at these prices. People are getting their hands on 4070ti super or 4090 and selling the rest for whatever they can get. These are used prices.
I'm absolutely torn right now, as I want Nvidia's power draw with AMD's raw performance. 😫
I just dont want my PC to be a space heater anymore, especially in the summer time. 😅
I'm not at all confident that RTX 5K GPUs will be available to the unwashed masses any time in 2024, so I'm considering using a 4080 Super in my upcoming AM5 build. It's not for ray tracing performance because I don't play any RT games. I'm only going there because I already have a 7900XTX.
I found an Rx 7900 xtx for $919 on Amazon and it was very easy to find, also rtx 4080 super I found for 1 thousand, and the rest were over 1k.
Both cards are not, "under 1000". You can easily find the xtx for 850-950, but the 4080 is 1000 to 1200.
Hmm, I’m getting 60-80 frames with 100+ in some areas on my 5800x3d/3600mhz 32gb/nitro+ 7900 XTX for Cyberpunk 2077. This is with full path tracing and ultra settings
That’s with upscaling because otherwise you’re not getting those figures. Fsr must be on.
@@eTeknixit is on but set to quality iirc. If you’re interested I’ll post back with figures where it is disabled
7900 xtx at £750 or 4080 (non super) £920 whats better for these prices? Playing at 4K
What games you playing? Care about Ray tracing?
@@eTeknix all sorts, cod, battlefield, enlisted, alan wake 2, tekken 8, it varies really.
@@robhewitt5640 if you’re playing a bit of everything including the likes of Alan wake 2 then I’d definitely say NVIDIA as it’s the only one who can deal with games like that in their entirety and upscaling is needed.
Happy to discuss more on our discord discord.gg/eTeknix
Where i live the rtx4080 super costs 999.- and the rx 7900 xtx 849.-
which would you buy?
7900xtx
I’ll take that back 4080 super cuz amd got so many driver issues nomore amd for me
Got 7900 xtx nitro plus on friday, couldn't be happier, was an rtx 3080 10gb user for 3 years but that vram buffer is just pathetic,also couldn't care less about raytracing since it wasn't playable on 3080 and in most cases i turned it off. Can't support ngreedia anymore, time to go fine wine path :)
The Nitro is a stellar overclocker too!
@@quicogil4565 Yes, tuned and overclocked hell out of it, just 2% slower in firestrike ultra than 4090, infact overclocked and tuned 7900 xtx is +19% faster than reference design stock 7900 xtx, Just love it
Noice, but i got the RTX 4080 Super, because i like new tech, better DLSS, FG, RT performance and quality.
I grabbed my the 7900 XTX TUF OC (Didn't know graphics card could be as big as the motherboard 😂)
It's a damn beast of a card I could've got the 4080 Super for about $250 more than what I paid but the games I play (Sim Racing and online shooters) RT doesn't mean anything to me so I went with what I wanted an all AMD build and just pure horsepower.
@@alkine3011 Yes whats the point of raytracing if it's barely playable with 4090 and requires fake frame gen and even then it's barely passible experience. That frame gen gimmick force AMD to make their own which works on anything, only proof that Nvidia does anticonsumer tactics, there is no limitation of the older hardware only ngreedia thing
Im definitely torn. I could get a asrock phantom 7900xtx open box for 850. Or i could get a gigabyte 4080s for $1050.
The difference in power draw, fan noise and 1% lows make me want to stay nvidia. But i also hate their business model, now going the way of apple.
I could also just stay with my 3080 10gb and wait a few years and get something better used for $500.
Nvidia putting frame gen only on 40 series cards really felt like a stab in the back to me.
I got the msi 4080s for like $1121 from best buys recently restock; it’ll be my first pc build so im happy to shell out top dollar, but rumor has it nvidia will drop a 5000 series later this year or early next if you wanna hold out
I invested in the Sapphire 7900xtx nitro+ cause I dont want to lower the settings in 2 years with a 4080 to be able to play in 4k. If I buy a high end card I want it to last 4-5 years at least, without being limited. I disabled ULPS in windows (saw a reddit post, takes 1 minute) and had 0 driver timeouts ever since. Undervolted and OC-ed the card so it runs at 300W max load without performance loss while being silent and super cool, never crossing 50C° in my Fractal torrent case. Im blown away by this card. The quality is worth the extra money imo.
Whata I ve nevwr seen the xtx so far ahead of the 4080 (excluding rt ofc) from what i ve seen in other reviews they are pretty much equal(excluding rt again ofc)
Hardware unboxed also got the xtx to be 9% faster at 4k than the 4080 super without rt. But this guy's test seems botched, the plague tale requiem result of the xtx being so much higher than the 4080 super seems to be an error. Also the xtx beats the 4080s in starfield even after the update which fixed Nvidia gpus performance, here's it's the opposite lol.
the 7900 xtx costs 1200 euro and the 4080 cost 1300 euro for me. i stil dont know what to choose, as i dont know if ray tracing is going to be that important.
Personally the TDP for me push me over to Nvidia, in my case sure the xtx cost less but on the long run it'll be more expensive to run with that ridiculous power draw. Less vram sucks but 400w while running a game for a couple of hours? Dude.
"Nvidia is the master of ray tracing"
-eTeknix
Is it? I beg to differ. Strangely, the only game that can possibly answer that question definitively was left out: Avatar. Why? We know Avatar has RT baked into the game itself which means the developer would have had to optimize RT performance for both brands. That is not the case with other games.
I think its important to remember that no gamer ever woke up and said I am not playing anymore games until we have raytracing.... The reality is hardly anyone cares about it and while I am not a fan of AMD stuff (Always seems below the current standard albeit at a reasonable price to performance ratio) I can't help but look more seriously at their graphics cards when Nvidia are bending the customer base over with their ridiculous prices. Why would anyone pay 2k for a 4090 (and I appreciate we are looking at the 4080 Super here) when an entire new PC with everything else in total costs the same and just takes PC gaming outside the realms of possibility for most. On top of this Intel seem to have screwed the pooch seriously in this latest drop of technology too. So perhaps its AMD's time to get some custom, lord knows while my last 5 GPUs have been Nvidia and my last 4 CPUs have been intel I am seriously considering switching over at this point.
RT wont go mainstream until Nvidia 6000 series, or when new gen console truly support it. 7900 XTX will last until PS6.
i find it wierd how for you F1 23 for an example is 29% better for AMD, but when techtesters did their video, it showed 19% better fps for 4080S (1440p)
Same settings? High? With taa and no ambient occlusion? No ray tracing?
@@eTeknix idk know, if the message passed or if youtube deleted it, but techtesters 4080S review of 40+ games has those differences
@@prospect2664 happy to look at it on our discord if you want to discuss. Link is discord.gg/eTeknix
RX 7900 looks so smooth. I think it's the best-looking GPU. No RGB throw-up just stealth and smooth
lol, it’s founder’s edition
I am now selling my 7900xtx because of the driver issues. No matter the cheaper price and slight higher non-rt fps if the drivers crash all the time... I am also surprised you don't report on these issues as it's very upsetting dropping 1k for a card and then not being able to play...
You play World of Warcraft?
Zero driver issues with my 7900 GRE
I disabled ULPS in windows. 0 driver timeouts ever since. I dont think its a GPU issue..
from what I've gathered the 7900 XTX is the objective winner if you don't want ray tracing. The 4080, however, is a better choice if you *do* want ray tracing
Fortnite with lumen RT shows that 7900xtx is close to non super 4080 so saying amd can't do ray tracing is not true.But overall they are on 3090ti level so generation behind.Then again they started later.
if you do not care about Ray tracing and just pure performance, AMD is a no-brainer
had a 6800xt it broke after 1 year, i upgraded to an 7900xtx and i only have issues whit drivers, blackscreens, crashes, imma go back to nvidia.... the Performance of the 7900xtx is insane tho... sadly poor drivers
Have you used DDU before installing 7900 XTX drivers?
So if anyone would be behind it's, nvidia. They can't even think of giving their customers premium builds. You're going to pay more for a card that if they wanted, they could blow away AMD just by adding more ram. I came from nvidia to amd for that reason. I just don't think investing money into a company that wants you to pay more because that's what they want you to do and let's not forget all the third party card builders they've cut out too that we all loved because of greed.
Considering the driver issues the 7900 xtx has, I'd really argue for Nvidia now. I can understand why AMD graphics side hasn't really made much of a dent. I just bought a 4080 super oc today because I'm over the 7900 xtx driver crashing. I had to buy a new case as well to fit the card. AMD needs to get stability down before they attempt to match nvidia in anything else. They can make the best cards on the planet but if the driver crashes every day no one is going to want it. It crashes far too often for me in Darktide, especially if I alt tab during a loading screen now. Had a few in remnant 2, and I'm just over it. I am sick and tired of pissing with my computer instead of just enjoying it.
If the 4080 shows up and has no issues I am all for paying $200 more for the same performance. Usability needs to be put into these videos anymore because the drivers for the 7900 xtx are getting MORE unstable not less anymore.
People will go usually with their wallet can afford. The 7900xtx was always aimed at the 4080,the 4090 was out on its own 😆. Looking at pulling the trigger on the 7900xtx could technically afford the 4090 but that's 600 more for alittle more performance and I'm not fussed about RT.
I thought i was about to see some gameplay, instead they gave to me a bunch of graphics screen comparison, bollocks wtf
Yeah i bought an amd 7900 XTX and i regret.
it is awesome , when it works.
Lots of Amd driver timeout issue
Amd isnt good with drivers.
7900 xtx currently experience lots of issues with DX 12 games
** Not all games **