Nice work Steve. Agreed that the shaper would not be the best way to do this but experimentation is so much fun and helps you find out what the machines capabilities are. That is really the point of hobbies and past times is that you do them for the fun of it. Many times folks aren't even good at it but it doesn't matter, they are having fun and/or learning. I have never used a shaper but I can see how they could be very useful. Loved those closeups too, very nice.
Having read some old-time books, I am not surprised -- but actually seeing it done is a real treat. And you did not make one mistake with the dividing head. Wish I could say that! And the beveling was incredible.
I've made lots of dividing head mistakes in the past, this was just a project I did not want to do over and I paid close attention. Thanks for stopping by
In woodworking we use pins similar to what you used to locate holes. In metalworking they are threaded, in woodworking they are not threaded but have a shoulder to keep the pins protruding for locating. They are called dowel centers, used to locate and drill for gluing up boards for something like a table top and you can see them in table leaves for a extendable dining table.
Man, that is so cool. To do a job like that all on the shaper! Sometimes the right way to do something isn't the easiest. But dang, does it look "right" at the end! Anyone can make a round surface perfectly flat in a lathe, but lookie here - straight striations! No doubt there was some artwork and special care performed with that piece. Love this video!
ROBRENZ Wow, I am glad you stoped by, you are one of my favorites. Several people have suggested the same thing so I guess I am going to need to add it. Adding this feature would make the unit potentialy more accurate. I'm no experienced machinist by any stretch and learn alot of this stuff as I go. Having people like you watching makes me both happy and nervous 😅 Thanks for stopping by, you made my day.
This project has been so much fun to watch. I would have never guessed that you could cut an bevel like that on the shaper! And the definition of those lines... It looks fantastic on camera, so I'm sure in real life it's even better. Superb job, Steve- really awesome stuff!
Thanks Steve Summers Now we need to see it in action. Make some thing with it and share the video with us. I love the Old School method . Keep up the great Old School work.
Hi Steve, really special use of a so big shaper for tiny lines on a surface disk : amazing job, I never would have though about this!!! Result for me are stuning. Nice project, more interesting things to come. ATB Claude (Avignon France)
Man, you have the patience of Job. This came out beautifully. This will bring you a sense of satisfaction fro the rest of your life. I enjoyed watching you work and take my hat off to your particular, fastidious, careful work. Nice.
That is fun to watch the shaper stop at a certain point every time . I'm just going to start a job where I need to stop at point like that or run into a wall. So I'll see how well my Hydralic shaper is at doing this . Great video
Please let me know how it works out, I think being able to stop where you want is pretty important for work like I was doing anyways, it don't really matter if it creeps on 99% of jobs unless you are doing something like this.
John McDonald Hey John, love good ideas even when they aren't mine😃 I work with others all the time that are smart as or smarter than me. Truth be known, it don't take very much to be smarter than me .LOL
Steve: in keeping with your attention to detail in making your project, you might like to refer to your "pointer" as a fiducial. I became familiar with this term when I made Harold Hall's lining tool. Your project is well done and a credit to your skill.
that thing looks really good, I may just have to bring you my swivel base part off of my shaper vise to do up too, lol. I need to do that one of these days, so we'll see after everything is put back together in the new shop and get everything else finished..
Love it Steve. I am in the midst of rebuilding/refinishing a Brooks 18” (IMC Newey Engineering) Shaper and I am anxious to,get it back together.. Thanls for the great content..
Looks real good! I can imagine that was a lot of time indexing. I would have to look but pretty sure the vertical attachment on my mill has a plate beside the index lines that you can use as a vernieer so you could add one of those to get even better resolution than the 1 degree without cluttering up the dial itself.
Steve, I know early on with this project you talked about the need for a witness line for zeroing your degree wheel but were undecided where to locate it. An obvious place is the web that is part of the casting but you might also consider a mark on both sides of the lower clamp journal just below the part line. This would give you two additional choices that might offer easier visibility on certain setups.
Beautiful job cutting the lines, angling the surface for them made a huge difference also. Thanks for the close up shots, all the chips looked like soldiers at attention. You may be right, it wasn't the fastest way to cut the angled surface however you strive to learn and I'm glad you're sharing the steps with us.
Talk about self flagellation! But that really did turn out superb, credit to you Steve. I must admit I was cringing on the first few bevel cuts, that was quite a bit of leverage from the chuck jaws ... thankfully no tears :)
Its really turning out nice Steve. I guess with that setup you had to move the rotary table one degree at a time. I was concerned about backlash in the worm gear of the table for when you had to repeat the cut every 5 and every 10 hash marks...even on the singles...but it seemed to repeat real well. Its a fine looking piece thus far...really sharp 👍🏼
Makin Sumthin From Nuthin Thanks, I always work in one direction doing everything the same every time. If I passed a number and did not take out the backlash,I would have had trouble. Thanks for stopping by Richard, glad to see you
No no! Steve, you must find an engraving machine! And some templates. Actually the engravers things used to be very common. I saw one (in Alaska!) but they wanted $200 for it and NO templates. Pass. It is not hard to build a pantograph engraver, but the templates are something else.
If you want more resolution consider a vernier on the pointer. It would be an interesting challenge to lay out and it would allow 10 times the resolution without any more index lines.
Ha! I didnt know you could chuck up an irregular piece like that. I was watching that part from between my fingers. I thought it my fly off an land in the next county somewhere. I think I was really scared for nothing.
Nice work/video! You always have some great shots up close of the cutter in action, and this one was no exception. Like Ironworker, I'll do some testing on a hydraulic shaper's stroke repeatability and report back. I have both crank & hydraulic, and have never noticed an inconsistency with the hydraulic, but I've never tested it either (on either one). I have always heard that saying, and am wondering if it's fact or fiction. I will say that the hydraulic is considerably easier to adjust the stroke on than the crank; but that may be more of a difference between my machines than a general rule. Thanks again!
Please report back, I also have heard this but never tested it due to not having access to a hydraulic shaper. Thank you Robert, I try to get the best shots I can, even if it means stopping work and re-positioning the camera. If I was watching the video, I would want to see what's going on up close and from several different angles, that way people get a better feel for what's going on.
Very nicely done Steve. Looks almost professional ..almost ;0) ! Credit to your machining skills and patience, thanks for the mention - anytime you get another project you want to enlarge just drop me a line - always willing to add time to it for you :-) Now take a break from counting divisions and watch some Tube. All the very best my friend. Mat
Yeah, almost LOL Thanks for the idea Mat, I think it looks great, I am going to take a break this week I think and work more on the channel than on making videos, I have a lot of things I need to work out with the channel, I need to make am into video and play list among other things. Really appreciate you stopping by and giving some good ideas. Thanks again Mat Steve Summers
Hey Steve. I noticed that you don't have a quick change on your lathe. Not sure if your interested but I have a Dickson type sitting in my shop. It works good. The only reason I changed because I got a good deal on a aloris. The tool holders are more expensive for the Dickson because there less popular. It has three tool holders. Building new tool holders would be a good project for your shaper.
I would give it to you. I just want to find it a good home. So if it's something you could use I'll send it your way. If you don't think you'll use it no big deal.
We only Saw a little of the Lotta Time it would Have taken Steve. But whoooa Its lookin the goods Mate ! Are you going to Number the degrees say at each 10 degrees ??? Or just 0
I know you did a video of heavy cuts with that shaper, but in a book I have there is a Cincinnati shaper very similar to the one you have taking a 2" depth of cut and a 1/32" thick chip coming off with each stroke. Can you try that?
Yeah, I have the book you are talking about, I was not trying to set any records , just stretching the shapers legs. It will do it, but when you own the company that makes this shaper and don't care if you break anything it is easy to push the machine to it's limits. I was staying on the safe side knowing if I broke this machine it was over, you are not going to find parts for this guy easy. That is why I stopped where I did + I am not an expert shaper operator when it comes to heavy metal removal. I think the cut they did was 2' deep and .0030 per stroke. Thanks for stopping by Steve Summers
Hi Steve, that's a lovely piece of scribing. I was wondering if you could cut a strip of transparent perspex, scribe a line down the middle of it's length using the same tool on the shaper and use that as the pointer? That way you could see precisely when the scribe line on the perspex overlaid the line on the indexing marks? Best regards Sarah
Loose the wedding ring!!! I have the scars to prove that a ring, watch, etc. is an accident waiting to happen in a machine shop. I won't go into the gory details but the first and worst time that I was hurt was because of a ring, it was also the last time I ever wore a ring. My wife of 44 years didn’t complain once as she saw the damage a ring will cause. Learn by my stupidity.
Nice work Steve. Agreed that the shaper would not be the best way to do this but experimentation is so much fun and helps you find out what the machines capabilities are. That is really the point of hobbies and past times is that you do them for the fun of it. Many times folks aren't even good at it but it doesn't matter, they are having fun and/or learning. I have never used a shaper but I can see how they could be very useful. Loved those closeups too, very nice.
Finally, A you tube machinist that uses marking fluid instead of those magic markers suitable for drawing in a children's coloring book.
Nice work.
I like the layout fluid anytime I have a surface that is any bit large. But I will pull out the marker every now and then.
Thanks Greg
Looks factory Steve, can't get much better than that!
Steve, that is the finest shaper wrangling I've ever seen! I just hope you get paid by the hour.
Yeah really, it took some time that's for sure
Did ot know that shaper could do so much. Looks great.
It really is a great machine, the operator or setup tools is the limit most the time.
Having read some old-time books, I am not surprised -- but actually seeing it done is a real treat. And you did not make one mistake with the dividing head. Wish I could say that! And the beveling was incredible.
I've made lots of dividing head mistakes in the past, this was just a project I did not want to do over and I paid close attention. Thanks for stopping by
Great job Steve. Sooo neat. Shaper leaves a unique surface finish. Very nice !!
Yes she does, thanks for stopping by
Sorry Fell asleep the first time now watching again!
LOL, drink some coffee, some sections of this video are like watching paint dry. :)
In woodworking we use pins similar to what you used to locate holes. In metalworking they are threaded, in woodworking they are not threaded but have a shoulder to keep the pins protruding for locating. They are called dowel centers, used to locate and drill for gluing up boards for something like a table top and you can see them in table leaves for a extendable dining table.
Wow, true craftsmanship.
Quite impressive...
The comments from your other subscribers have covered the field; you've done well!
Thank you
Man, that is so cool. To do a job like that all on the shaper! Sometimes the right way to do something isn't the easiest. But dang, does it look "right" at the end! Anyone can make a round surface perfectly flat in a lathe, but lookie here - straight striations! No doubt there was some artwork and special care performed with that piece. Love this video!
Thanks Noel, I spent a lot of time turning that rotary table handle that's for sure. It did come out nice if I do say so myself :)
Very nice Steve! I agree with the Vernier suggestion even if its only 1/4 degree but 5 min would be better. Keep up the great work!
ATB, Robin
ROBRENZ Wow, I am glad you stoped by, you are one of my favorites. Several people have suggested the same thing so I guess I am going to need to add it. Adding this feature would make the unit potentialy more accurate. I'm no experienced machinist by any stretch and learn alot of this stuff as I go. Having people like you watching makes me both happy and nervous 😅 Thanks for stopping by, you made my day.
This project has been so much fun to watch. I would have never guessed that you could cut an bevel like that on the shaper! And the definition of those lines... It looks fantastic on camera, so I'm sure in real life it's even better. Superb job, Steve- really awesome stuff!
Thank you very much
Another excellent, informative video.
Thanks Steve Summers Now we need to see it in action. Make some thing with it and share the video with us. I love the Old School method . Keep up the great Old School work.
I will. Thanks
It's a great thing to see how you can use your shaper in different ways
Hi Steve,
really special use of a so big shaper for tiny lines on a surface disk : amazing job, I never would have though about this!!! Result for me are stuning. Nice project, more interesting things to come. ATB Claude (Avignon France)
Great job Steve
It looks like it could be the combination dial to open Fort Knox. Really nice work.
LOL, yeah it has some of that look to it. Thanks for stopping by
Man, you have the patience of Job. This came out beautifully. This will bring you a sense of satisfaction fro the rest of your life. I enjoyed watching you work and take my hat off to your particular, fastidious, careful work. Nice.
Thank you
That is fun to watch the shaper stop at a certain point every time . I'm just going to start a job where I need to stop at point like that or run into a wall. So I'll see how well my Hydralic shaper is at doing this . Great video
THE IRONWORKER Please share that with us here if possible, maybe talk about the difference, I've only used mechanical shapers. Thanks
THE IRONWORKER I just found and subscribed btw. Looking forward to seeing all your videos
Please let me know how it works out, I think being able to stop where you want is pretty important for work like I was doing anyways, it don't really matter if it creeps on 99% of jobs unless you are doing something like this.
Really well done. A very creative way of doing the job on a shaper.
Came out awesome.
Randy Richard In The Shop Thanks Randy
Looks great! That video transition at 38:04 made my heart skip a beat though!
rcabert70 LOL looks like I'm gonna mess up. I would have cried 😂
Steve Summers me too!
Congrats, looks very good
Nice job Steve. Glad you're not above suggestions. Turned out really nice!
John McDonald Hey John, love good ideas even when they aren't mine😃 I work with others all the time that are smart as or smarter than me. Truth be known, it don't take very much to be smarter than me .LOL
Not true my friend. I admire humblimity....
awesome work steve you're a rock star with the shaper.....
Thanks Man
Steve: in keeping with your attention to detail in making your project, you might like to refer to your "pointer" as a fiducial. I became familiar with this term when I made Harold Hall's lining tool. Your project is well done and a credit to your skill.
Thank you
Very nice work sir very nice indeed
nice work! and a lot of patience! that looks amazing!
Emmas Spareroom Machineshop Thanks Emma, still a long way to go before I am finished
Brilliant amazing result. What patience!!!
Thank you
Love this video.
Fantastic job steve! Well done mate
Looks great Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching
Nice project, Steve. Hopefully we'll see it in use soon.
I'll find a use for it after I am done and show everyone, it should be neat. Thanks for dropping by
Loved it! Thanks
great job steve ,thanks for sharing regards tony
Thank you Tony
I want to do this! Outstanding results, love the detailed videos, this is how the show "How its Made" should be produced!
Thanks, How it's Made always leaves me with more questions than answers. thanks for stopping by
that thing looks really good, I may just have to bring you my swivel base part off of my shaper vise to do up too, lol. I need to do that one of these days, so we'll see after everything is put back together in the new shop and get everything else finished..
Balls of steel and 20 /20 eyesight!!!
LoL, I don't know about all that....... OK OK it's true, what can I say? LOL Thanks for stopping by
Is what it is !!!
Love your vids keep it up!
Love it Steve. I am in the midst of rebuilding/refinishing a Brooks 18” (IMC Newey Engineering) Shaper and I am anxious to,get it back together.. Thanls for the great content..
I love it. Thanks for the great content.
Looks real good! I can imagine that was a lot of time indexing. I would have to look but pretty sure the vertical attachment on my mill has a plate beside the index lines that you can use as a vernieer so you could add one of those to get even better resolution than the 1 degree without cluttering up the dial itself.
bcbloc02 Yeah it took hours from start to finish. I may pay you a visit in the next couple weeks if you are free.
Sounds good, just let me know. BTW do you not get txt messages?
I wonder how complicated it would be to have a linkage that allows the shaper cross feed to turn your rotary table instead?
Steve, I know early on with this project you talked about the need for a witness line for zeroing your degree wheel but were undecided where to locate it. An obvious place is the web that is part of the casting but you might also consider a mark on both sides of the lower clamp journal just below the part line. This would give you two additional choices that might offer easier visibility on certain setups.
Agreed, Thanks for stopping by.
Great job ! Great video !
Thank you
Look at those two identical shavings roll out of that drill bit. Want to sharpen some of mine?
If you eyeballed that sharpening job - good job!
Beautiful job cutting the lines, angling the surface for them made a huge difference also. Thanks for the close up shots, all the chips looked like soldiers at attention. You may be right, it wasn't the fastest way to cut the angled surface however you strive to learn and I'm glad you're sharing the steps with us.
Yeah, it was slow, but I really liked the outcome and I can say I did it.
If you are doing index lines on a flat piece, a small radial groove for the lines to end in will also make for no burrs and a nice clean finish.
I have used this before and it does work well. Thanks for stopping by
Talk about self flagellation! But that really did turn out superb, credit to you Steve. I must admit I was cringing on the first few bevel cuts, that was quite a bit of leverage from the chuck jaws ... thankfully no tears :)
I started slow, watching like a hawk for any sign of it being unstable. I settled with a lite cut and left well enough alone.
Very fine, detailed, meticulous, precision work. Thank you for sharing. BTW: I love your t-shirt (RRA)! Do you ever mark (eg: laser etch) your works?
I'm impressed. Probably some day you'll make a cnc conversation for the shaper :)))
cncua That's a neat idea. Some people have talked about it before.
Its really turning out nice Steve. I guess with that setup you had to move the rotary table one degree at a time. I was concerned about backlash in the worm gear of the table for when you had to repeat the cut every 5 and every 10 hash marks...even on the singles...but it seemed to repeat real well. Its a fine looking piece thus far...really sharp 👍🏼
Makin Sumthin From Nuthin Thanks, I always work in one direction doing everything the same every time. If I passed a number and did not take out the backlash,I would have had trouble. Thanks for stopping by Richard, glad to see you
Hadnt had much time for youtube prior to/after the storm but do my best to keep up with everyone :)
Steve, I am impressed with your dial made on your shaper. You should contact Stefan Gotteswinter and he might engrave the dial for you.
I would hate to bother him, I am sure he is busy. But I am sure he would do a fantastic job.
No no! Steve, you must find an engraving machine! And some templates. Actually the engravers things used to be very common. I saw one (in Alaska!) but they wanted $200 for it and NO templates. Pass. It is not hard to build a pantograph engraver, but the templates are something else.
If you want more resolution consider a vernier on the pointer. It would be an interesting challenge to lay out and it would allow 10 times the resolution without any more index lines.
Thanks , I am thinking about something like that
Very nice, when you make the fiducial maybe you could do the arithmetic and make it a "Vernier Scale" to to pick up the minutes.
Ha! I didnt know you could chuck up an irregular piece like that. I was watching that part from between my fingers. I thought it my fly off an land in the next county somewhere. I think I was really scared for nothing.
Nice work/video! You always have some great shots up close of the cutter in action, and this one was no exception. Like Ironworker, I'll do some testing on a hydraulic shaper's stroke repeatability and report back. I have both crank & hydraulic, and have never noticed an inconsistency with the hydraulic, but I've never tested it either (on either one). I have always heard that saying, and am wondering if it's fact or fiction. I will say that the hydraulic is considerably easier to adjust the stroke on than the crank; but that may be more of a difference between my machines than a general rule. Thanks again!
Please report back, I also have heard this but never tested it due to not having access to a hydraulic shaper.
Thank you Robert, I try to get the best shots I can, even if it means stopping work and re-positioning the camera.
If I was watching the video, I would want to see what's going on up close and from several different angles, that way people get a better feel for what's going on.
Very nicely done Steve. Looks almost professional ..almost ;0) ! Credit to your machining skills and patience, thanks for the mention - anytime you get another project you want to enlarge just drop me a line - always willing to add time to it for you :-) Now take a break from counting divisions and watch some Tube. All the very best my friend. Mat
Yeah, almost LOL Thanks for the idea Mat, I think it looks great, I am going to take a break this week I think and work more on the channel than on making videos, I have a lot of things I need to work out with the channel, I need to make am into video and play list among other things. Really appreciate you stopping by and giving some good ideas. Thanks again Mat Steve Summers
Hey Steve. I noticed that you don't have a quick change on your lathe. Not sure if your interested but I have a Dickson type sitting in my shop. It works good. The only reason I changed because I got a good deal on a aloris. The tool holders are more expensive for the Dickson because there less popular. It has three tool holders. Building new tool holders would be a good project for your shaper.
Johnson Mechanical Well it all depends. What do you want for it?
I would give it to you. I just want to find it a good home. So if it's something you could use I'll send it your way. If you don't think you'll use it no big deal.
Steve Summers did you get my last reply?
Johnson Mechanical Sorry, I have been unplugged for the last hour.
My lathe is a 16" swing, do you think it will fit?
Steve Summers I bet It will. It was a little small for my south bend 16/24. I will send you pictures. What's the best way?
looks really great . ... I wish you'd use better bolts for the face. Maybe make something nice. After all that work - put the icing on the cake :D
Did you see the drill bit jump up as it started to feed into you pilot hole? Something was loose or misaligned by at least a 32nd or maybe 3/64ths!
We only Saw a little of the Lotta Time it would Have taken Steve. But whoooa Its lookin the goods Mate ! Are you going to Number the degrees say at each 10 degrees ??? Or just 0
Beautiful. How many bottles of Tylenol did this take? Eye strain must be huge.
To be honest, I had no issue at all, The hardest thing was keeping focused and not loosing track
Anyway the chamfer looks great. Little extra time but it is one of a kind,
Dan Dobbs Thanks Dan, yeah, it's one of a kind thats for sure
UA-cam needs to fix there comments, I cant reply to anyone without my reply going to someone it was not intended for.
I know you did a video of heavy cuts with that shaper, but in a book I have there is a Cincinnati shaper very similar to the one you have taking a 2" depth of cut and a 1/32" thick chip coming off with each stroke. Can you try that?
Yeah, I have the book you are talking about, I was not trying to set any records , just stretching the shapers legs.
It will do it, but when you own the company that makes this shaper and don't care if you break anything it is easy to push the machine to it's limits. I was staying on the safe side knowing if I broke this machine it was over, you are not going to find parts for this guy easy. That is why I stopped where I did + I am not an expert shaper operator when it comes to heavy metal removal. I think the cut they did was 2' deep and .0030 per stroke. Thanks for stopping by Steve Summers
Meu fantástico
i am the same way as frank said did it my way
Yeah, LOL I did it my way.
Hi Steve, that's a lovely piece of scribing. I was wondering if you could cut a strip of transparent perspex, scribe a line down the middle of it's length using the same tool on the shaper and use that as the pointer? That way you could see precisely when the scribe line on the perspex overlaid the line on the indexing marks?
Best regards Sarah
That is a good idea, I may consider that. Thanks for stopping by
👍
you need some tap-magic
I have some and it works great, I probably should have used it on the SS. I did over size the hole, so it was not that bad. Thanks Jon
I'm quite sure I count 361 marks / lines... :o)
now i don.t feel so bad about paying 20.00 for a degree plate off ebay for mine
Really,, This took hours
Much faster on the lathe !
Really?
Loose the wedding ring!!! I have the scars to prove that a ring, watch, etc. is an accident waiting to happen in a machine shop. I won't go into the gory details but the first and worst time that I was hurt was because of a ring, it was also the last time I ever wore a ring. My wife of 44 years didn’t complain once as she saw the damage a ring will cause. Learn by my stupidity.
when you make your pointer put a 1/2 degree offset on it or even set it up like a veneer with 10 lines
Yes, I could do something like that, we will see. I am not sure what I am going to do just yet. Thanks for watching