Tramming in the Metal Shaper
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Thumbs UP if you enjoyed this video .This is the way that I Tram in my big metal shaper, this is not intended to be a how to video , it's a how I do it. Not all metal shaper can or should be adjusted like I show in the video. I hope you enjoy and If you have any questions feel free to ask. If I made any mistakes please let me know and I will correct them. Thanks for watching Please like and Subscribe.
Good to come to a video that is 4 1/2 years old that helps another creator or viewer when they or we get our first shaper. Here it is Dec 2021, and starting the full restoration on our Klopp 450. Actually, haven't found the model # but stroke is 450mm, and at present researching all the Klopp avenues I can before restoration begins. Merry Christmas to All for 2021,,Bear.
Nice video. Great explanation. I have a 16" Steptoe shaper. I love it for making power hammer dies
Thank you for the clear explanation. I have an Ammco 7" that needs this :-)
Great video. Have a small 7 inch South bend. Its giving me fits. This info might help although I tram everything.
What issues are you having?
Thanks Steve for your interest;I think my issues are with the vice; and also that the vice table which is held in place by only 2 screws on the 7" So Bend. I'm going to wait until I can get a vice that was made for a shaper. thanks again for your interest.P.S. It was running our 4-6 thou on 6 inches and 3thou difference front to back on 4 inches.
I wish I could just hang out and actually use stuff like this somewhere. One day I will have at least a half assed shop/shed. Thanks for bringin us in.
we also manufacture 6" stroke to 42" stroke shaper machine
Beautiful videos, learned a lot with you.
How can I make a dovetail with my shaper machine?
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Best regards.
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Steve: That is a magnificent looking vice for shaper work. Where did you find it?
Peter Marsh Thanks for watching, The vise that is on the shaper is it's original vise, it came with the shaper.
It's a monster, thats for sure.
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Steve Summers
Steve, it looks like I may have to make one as my shaper did not come with one. I will most likely have to find a 3D model of one, cut this in MDF via my local furniture maker's shop, then slice up to make moulds to give to my iron casting shop to then machine on my shaper & milling machine to give true surfaces so that I can use it to produce beautiful work on the shaper. Hold it, that sounds like a lot of work doesn't it? If you can make that sort of thing then you are well on your way to being a machinist cum do-it-yourselfer!
Peter Marsh That sounds like a good project. If I needed a vise for the shaper I would use a modern milling vise. I may try to build one,but to build one that is truly nice and accurate would be a world of work and money.
Steve Summers: Yes, you are correct with that obvious choice. The only problem is getting one with anywhere near the width that may be ideal for the shaper. Mine has a stroke of 500mm and therefore I was thinking that a vice with at least 400 mm would be ideal. The widest milling machine vice I have seen is one for a few thousand dollars but is only 210 mm wide. There was an alternative solution I saw on a huge device called a surface planer. Its vice didn't have a moving jaw but on one side a fixed edge and along the other was an edge and three or four bolts that pressed against a sliding square block that held against the workpiece. That looks much easier to make but having one that could be rotated would be ideal, especially if you want to do something like knurling a set of jaw faces for example. This would be much easier to cast and machine. Getting the rotating base will be a lot of work and can wait for version II.
Is that a 3 phase inverter on the back wall? which model is it?
Yes it is, its made by American rotary and it is the AR10 and it is powering a 7.5hp 3ph motor on the shaper.
Thanks for watching Kyle, let me know if you have any more questions.
I've got a 20" heavy duty Cincinnati ( the little bother to yours lol) that has the compound table and Electric clutch. It is in ok shape, but like you said in different video the "previous" owners I think ran it with low or no oil and galled one side of the ram. It is not bad, but it is not good either just wondering if you have done any of the type of work on your Beautiful shaper. Thanks for the info
Ethan
Classic Work I had to do alot of work on the compound, it had been crashed. It was still usable just not good. I scraped in the compound and clapper box changed oil and belts, I also cleaned for days. The vise was in bad shape and I had to resurface everything, they beat it to death with a hammer, guess they thought the vise was a anvil. This shaper was nothing lime it is now, she looked like she had been thrown away.
Classic Work Don't give up on it, the ram can be repaired, she may never look new again but she can run like it if you put in the work.
Steve Summers I got ya. I could tell you have put some hours in her, and that is no small feat. Does yours have the oil pump on it, or do you have to oil it manually?
Classic Work It has a pump in the foot, all the pump does it push the oil up high and then gravity oils everything through small copper lines. Is seeme to oil everything well
Lol, keep saving those baby birds.
Thanks for the great videos Steve, my new favorite channel. I have some serious shaper envy though...been trying to find a 24" Cincinnati or Rockford for years with no success. For now I'll just live vicariously through you.
Took me forever to fine one also, every time I found one I liked I was broke. LOL Thanks for stopping by
Great video 👍 the indicator close up were really helpful, worth your effort!
You just saved me a bunch of time. I just got a shaper and was wondering how to tram the thing.
Great video, thanks for showing that. It's much easier to see it done than being explained, and everywhere Ive looked, there is really no where that shows how to tram in the head of the shaper. The only thing to watch out for is that carpenter squares, which most people have tend to be out of square unless it's calibrated in. Also, dont spread the video out too much, if your off saving baby birds all the time, then you wouldnt have time to play with the shaper, lol.
Saving baby birds is a tough job , climbing all those trees gets rough on the hands. LOL I think that a good machinist square off the table with a test indicator is very accurate. Thanks for watching Chirpy.
If only I had a shaper, I would never leave my shop.
I have an indicator with a clamp like that... now i have a use for it! thanks
Emmas Spareroom Machineshop They are great for the shaper, lets you clamp on the tool very easily
Great video again Steve, I think you covered the set ups pretty well. Nice work with the inset image of the dti face. Mind yourself on those trees. ☺
lookcreations Thanks Mat, I covered all the basics I could think of. It will get people started anyways. Saving all those birds is going to be tough.😒
1st time I have tried the picture in picture, I have seen other videos have the indicator off in the corner of the screen and always enjoyed watching the movement of the needle. It was a little hard to get both video clips timed correctly but I figured it out. I hardest thing for me is to get rid of the glare
on the DTI. The lights in my shop suck and I'm working on getting some new ones. One thing at a time, with a budget like mine improvements take lots of time. Thanks again Mat.
This is a real education. I din't have a shaper but maybe someday one will come by to see me :) . It would be interesting if you went over the controls on the shaper.
I think that I do in my 1st ever video, it is real basic though. I plan to do an updated one where I go over my shaper in real detail in the future, Thanks for watching Juan, hope you enjoyed. Steve Summers
Good video, the information can apply to any machine, very nice explanation.
Thanks for watching Glad you liked it.
Super useful information! You can't find this kink of info on shapers anywhere.
Thanks Steve!
Thanks Chevy, I wanted to offer something I had trouble finding when I got my shaper, I seen some videos here and there on shapers but nothing that was a one stop shop.