Why 4k Reviews of Ghostbusters Frozen Empire on Physical Media are WRONG!
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- In this video, we'll delve into why most 4K physical media reviews are inaccurate. Find out why and find out how you can better evaluate
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Have you seen a #4kReview of #GhostbustersFrozenEmpire or other digitally shot movies? If so, they may be steering you wrong! So, pop that tape in, I got you, let's go do this!
Discussions of transfers in youtube reviews are generally bad. They vary from, "best it's ever looked," to just incorrect information altogether. I feel like there's a huge hole on UA-cam for people doing informed transfer and color grading reviews. I'd be interested to see more videos like this from you or really anyone. What we have now is just a bunch of people talking out of their rears and shills with affiliate links that just sell hype.
thank you! not to call anyone out or set myself above anyone on youtube, but I kinda keep noticing some things that are pretty consistently similiar and sometimes similarly incorrect or mistaken when it comes to 4k reviews...so I try to set my "fan hat" aside and put on my "filmmaker" hat and kind of talk about those things in conversational terms where they dont get overly techincal...I by no means know it all, but I have worked in the business for a good long while -so if I can help pass on what I know, I will!
Even 1080p bluray of digitally shot movies are pretty darn good.
agreed!
Yup fun fact avid came along in the 80’s to help with editing it got better as it went along but those great movies we love from 80’s yup 2k resolution put back to film. That’s what’s great about today’s reissues a lot can get actual negative and get fresh scan.
Og clash of the titan effects way more real than the new one
Great video nice to have a technical reason behind it
thanks man! I appreciate that! just trying to give some context from my experience
These people must be miserable not watching movies just all the useless numbers
lol
I thought CGI could be rendered in a lower DI to save time and money. Therefore, making it, for example, a 2k DI.. I could have completely misunderstood, though!
Sorry, I saw you mentioned this after I commented!
You say that these "Digital Intermediates" are really just a proxy for editing, but this seems to go against what I've found online. Both IMDB and shotonwhat describe DIs as a finishing method, and wikipedia says they're used as a final mastering method when digital cameras are used, though no sources were sited.
Is this not how it has been done in your experience? I am not saying you're wrong I am just genuinely confused here.
@thesocialisthedgehog6320 an intermediate is just that, an intermediate and was used as a term for the step where film, was converted to digital in order to edit before it was "filmed back out" ..... when they "film it out" from that intermediate, technically, in that case, that intermediate was the final master...
I think di in this case is more after the affects and all that jazz are added in. Let’s call it the postproduction product.
Shhh, you will upset the Grain Gods and their devout disciples. But with seriousness, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge on the topic.
LOL! thank you! as I mentioned to someone else, I by no means know it all, but I have worked in the business for a good long while -so if I can help pass on what I know, I will!
Off topic, but made me think of a different question. From a filmmaker perspective these older 80’s, 90’s, and older are these what the director intended? Are things like hdr and color grading intended or an enhancement?
well, the original film always had the capablility of high dynamic range and 4k (or better) resolution...so when done correctly, they give us a better look at what they filmmaker saw on the day they shot it...however, a misguided colorist could mess it up if they are without direction because color grading is a subjective art!
I’m trying to pay attention but distracted by the gun show on display 💪🏻
LOL try to contain the excitment hahahahahahaha
@@AVAPopCulture 🤣Did someone really say this cam from a DI negative? 🤣🤣
one thing you forgot to mention, when its shot at 4.5k (4448x3096) & scaled down to 4k (3840 x 2160), it actually enhances the image
@@thelastmoviestanding yeah...I literally heard someone saying "this was finished and output to 4k from a 2k digital intermediate" 😳
@@AVAPopCulture where that Will Ferrell meme from wedding crashers when you need it ... "IDIOT!!" 🤣
@@thelastmoviestanding 🤣😂
Great video, Chase!
Thanks Frank! Saw your video on Ghostbusters, agree on those FX! The digital with the 4k kinda makes them look odd - they stand out too much!
I'd like to see a discussion on Once Upon a Time in The West. It looks unusual. Not like flim and not like video. People seem to have a dark halo around tham that to me looks like heavy ambient occlusion found in video games. It's very noticeable in the scenes where Jason Robards rescues Charles Bronson on the train. Every time he passes a window there is a dark shadow flowing him. I never noticed it on the bluray. At times the movie looks great. At other times it looks like it has been processed somehow. I was expecting to see some grain, but there's hardly any, but to be honest, even the dvd looked really sharp and clean. Now, this 4k, it doesn't look natural at times, and that is distracting. What's wrong with it?
hmmmm that is interesting! Id have to see it to make a guess on what is happening there!
Great explanation for novices like me ….great video
glad you enjoyed it and found it helpful! I by no means know it all, but I try to pass on what I know from what I have learned working on films and being a fan!
let's do it!
I think I get what your saying. Maybe you can answer this. I prefer the picture on my fixed panel display over my local cinemas. The local cinemas seem to have a fuzzier picture. Is it just me or are my eyes actually picking up a better quality image at home?
most likely that "fuzziness" is because of the light spread from the projector across a wide space and then the screen itself has "texture" which can add to that softness whereas at home, your screen is likely equally bright across the whole panel and also isnt being projected against a textured surface...
@@AVAPopCulture really good video and really good information thanks a bunch!
@@sbccave4015 thank you so much for watching and the kind words! glad you enjoyed it and got somethign out of it
I think that where a lot of people get confused is that a lot of films are shot on 35mm film, without special effects, and then when special effects are added they are added at 2k. So when the "4k UHD" disk is put out, it is basically an upscaled with interpolation, IE fakey-fake 4k. And there just isn't a good way to go back without redoing all of the digital effect shots. Too expensive. So they are just stuck at being 2k forever.
The 90's to the 2010's are just screwed because of the way shot. And why older films can smoke films from the 90's to mid 2010's on resolution. They had practical effects. The film is the film. And anything shot on 70mm can absolutely dominate in clarity and resolution with a theoretical resolution of 16 to 20k.
2001: A Space Odessy is an excellent example of this. Shot in 1968 and looks better (resolution wise) better than a lot of films shot today.
And there are very few filmmakers shooting with film anymore...they are mostly using 4k, 5k and even 8k digital cameras...so there is no actual downscaling process to degrade the final master...so it is all tack sharp digital...
The older stuff with 2k fx put on film in the intermediate will always have those fx stuck at 2k so when the film is restored to 4k, they stick out worse...look at the space ship in the beginning of Event Horizon- perfect example...
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Thank you!!
Not sure about Ghostbuster frozen, but most of the marvel movies had all the digital effects done in 2.5k resolution which means the master of the movie was downscaled from the camera resolution to match the 2.5k resolution of the effects shots. The 4k release is upscaled. Movies that require a lot of effects, are done in less than 4k because the smaller 2.5k will render faster. So if they transfer to film like IMAX, it's still less than true 4k.
They do not downscale the whole film to a lower resolution - they edit through digital proxies that are lower scale....the FX are for sure rendered in less than 4k ,not the whole movie...
The problem with Frozen Empire is that is sucks sucks sucks.
lol dont hold back on wat you really think about it hahaha!
Funny thing to note there were in LA some limited screenings of this on 35 mm film.
@@jessechristensen6028 it is pretty easy for them to output the final digital product to film for any theater that may need it