Ya know, it just occurred to me that Jadzia never really talked about home or going home and Ezri's family preferred life within the Orion Syndicate. No wonder why... *_These people are assholes._*
@@Guidogregotti While not impossible, it is improbable and impractical. Trills are marsupials. Humans aren't. Maybe if host Trills mate with humans. But base humans? Not without medical help like Riker.
@@noblewolfe891 I know what you mean, and, even if there was that help, Riker has risked to die, so Odan has asked to be removed from him because he doesn't want to cause any more suffering to Riker, even if the same Odan will risk to die. I hope it will be explained how Adira manages to survive, because, even if she is human, it seems she won't mean a temporary host but she will remain with Tal without any problems: probably, as I told, in these centuries there has been found a way to avoid reject, and she has is not part-Trill. I know that in the beginning she was not able to connect with the memories with the other hosts, but I have never heard about problem of incompatibility. See you soon. Guido.
@@noblewolfe891 Maybe it wasn't just a physical rejection, but a mental thing. And somehow being so close with the last host allowed her to be more open? Maybe that's why his consciousness is still hanging around, maybe he is somehow helping her mind cope with all of the extra information.
Did the Trill decide to play the long game? It's clear the host was not going to live forever. I would assume the Trill would be ready when the symbiote needed a new host.
The Trill symbiant is truely in a "symbiatic" relationship with it's host, benefiting the host as much as it does its self. It shares its memories with the its host and together they form a unique personality. It's a true blend of two individuals. It attaches itself to the mid-spline of its host. On the other hand the Goa'uld symbiant (SG1), which attaches itself to the brain stem of its host (usually by violent means), take complete control of its host by suppressing the host's personality. The only thing symbiatic about this relationship is that the Goa'uld takes over the host's immune system affording the host perfect health an extended life. Other than this fact the Goa'uld is more the parasite than a true symbiant. Now, there is another faction of the Goa'uld that call themselve "the Tok'ra". These are the good guys who only take voluntery hosts. Even though they still have a huge ego like the Goa'uld, they are more like the Trill symbiant and just share the host body with the host's personality. However, they are not as blended personality wise as the Trills are and they have to have more of a "internal dialog" with there host.
@@jonlobello7151 The point is rejecting the Human outright. The Trill lost contact with the symbiote. The ability to track the health of the symbiote. Now I know they "star treked" this out and every worked out. But it would be an interesting storyline having a symbiote living in a Human for many years then transferring to a Trill. What would the new host-symbiote say or feel. Would it be viewed a horror story, tale of survival, vacation?
@@dataphoenix8004 I don't need to explain anything to anyone. Look up "symbiosis". Secondly, it's only fantasy, so who really cares?! Thirdly, you must be a conservative because you see things in black and white.
You don't have to watch it you don't have to come out of every single time stop being entitled self-centered bully because all she said she loves this show and it reminds her of Voyager and what you have a negative comment about it. You're a toxic fan base that doesn't care about anybody else by themselves all she did was say she likes the show just like me are you really or that self-centered that you have to put it's all down because we like something you do not like
So, Burnham hasn't caught up with Kirk in terms of saving everyone, every time? No way she is up to Picard in terms of rescued civilizations. Hell, The Cisco saved the entire quadrant and ascended to Godhood. This girl is slacking...she aint no Space Jesus. Give that to Admiral Adama.
Besides, Will Riker hosted a symbiant for a short time in Next Gen. I'm also a great SG1 fan and once read a crossover where SG1 found themselves in the Star Trek Universe. When Teal'c's symbiant matured, the Trill helped him replace it with a Trill symbiant, otherwise, Teal'c would have died.
@@trollme.trollmehard.9524 The Trill symbiant is truely in a "symbiatic" relationship with it's host, benefiting the host as much as it does its self. It shares its memories with the its host and together they form a unique personality. It's a true blend of two individuals. It attaches itself to the mid-spline of its host. On the other hand the Goa'uld symbiant (SG1), which attaches itself to the brain stem of its host (usually by violent means), take complete control of its host by suppressing the host's personality. The only thing symbiatic about this relationship is that the Goa'uld takes over the host's immune system affording the host perfect health an extended life. Other than this fact the Goa'uld is more the parasite than a true symbiant. Now, there is another faction of the Goa'uld that call themselve "the Tok'ra". These are the good guys who only take voluntery hosts. Even though they still have a huge ego like the Goa'uld, they are more like the Trill symbiant and just share the host body with the host's personality. However, they are not as blended personality wise as the Trills are and they have to have more of a "internal dialog" with there host.
Yeah, except it was shown in DS9 nearly any Trill can join and the "selection" criteria was artificial. So the idea that they don't have enough hosts is bullshit. Another plot hole.
According to Ds9 50% of Trills could be a host.They just diddnt tell te people and only took the best to be joined. So dissapointed with discovery ruining the lore just for a bit of conflict.
1. Could. There was no data on longterm viability and you have to consider multiple generations (the current host and all future hosts) for any health issues. *Especially* psychological health, as the example of Joran Dax showed very clearly: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Joran_Dax 2. If those 50% are 3 times as likely to to be on Starfleet ships or colonies, that means 1/4 of the non-joiner and 3/4 of the Joiner population could have died from ships exploding and supply lines stopping dead. 3. If we asume some degree of inheritable traits, that can ruin a species genome.
I think the idea is that many of those who had been joined were in space at the time of the burn, making it so that the symbiont population (which was always more limited) was decimated even more so than the viable host population. So discovery certainly isn't ruining that precedent its just adding to it.
As the shortage of acceptable hosts was just misinformation to prevent too many hosts insisting on a symbiont, wouldn't this misinformation be further propagated after the burn with the majority of the symbiotes unable to return except via generation ships.
Crazy Scenes is doing the same thing with the overly loud music at the end that caused me to ban several other sites. I suspect that it is the same person/people who are just renaming the same site after too many viewers complain.
If the Trill can be that close-minded, arrogant, pompous, and selfish after the burn, then they don't deserve to be hosts for the symbionts. And perhaps the latter sensed that...
Back in Season 3 when Adira was still true to her original concept instead of the 'prop' they turned them into for the tired 'my two dads' storyline in season 4. Their character description was strong, capable and confident, wise beyond their years. All that got chucked in season 4.
Were members, this is the 32nd century. Basically Discovery is a retelling of one of Roddenberry's other favourite story lines, that of Captain Hunt brought into the distant future and rebuilding the Systems Commonwealth (Andromeda). I'm surprised they didn't include encountering an organization called "Pax" as per early pilot's of this story line such as Genesis II, Planet Earth and Strange New World...
Trill was a member of the Federation in the 24th Century, Discovery somehow traveled hundreds of years into the future, it is possible Trill seceded from the Federation in the intervening centuries!
Apparently from after the burn happened the federation lost access to a lot of world’s including Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, and Tellar from over 350 members to 38 members.
@@gerhardrobertbieber4129 Federation HQ moved out of the region to not make them a target, meaning they were at best going to be "nominal members". But that the union survived without the 4 founders, shows how resilient it is!
After the burn, not only did many members of the Federation leave the Federation (which is actually counter to the definition of Federation versus Confederation) but planets like Earth and Vulcan left to protect themselves as some blamed the Federation for the burn specifically the founding members. The founding planets leaving the Federation was for both their protection and the protection of the remaining Federation. Besides how else is Captain Dylan Hunt to reunite the Systems Commonwealth.
I think the symbiont (trill's are the hosts) simply did not want to trigger the body's rejection response by being too forceful since warp drive was not available for it to reach a qualified Trill host when the transfer from Grey was made. Remember the symbiont implanted into Riker took full control to continue his romance with Dr. Crusher under the full expectation they would reach a suitable Trill host before being rejected by Riker's body.
All of Dax’s hosts were Trill. Curzon was a diplomat to the Klingons and had a strong relationship with them but he was not a Klingon. In the Facets episode in s3 of DS9 when Jadzia meets her previous hosts, you literally see that Curzon was Trill when Odo morphs into him.
Even in DS9, they told their population that few of them qualified to accept a symbiont even though half could simply because they didn't have very many symbionts. With the burn, must of their symbionts would've been offworld experiencing the galaxy so they would only have a few symbionts to distribute so of course they would further the lie that few of the population qualified. Having a symbiont return in an alien host would expose their lie of very strict requirements for implantation hence no media presence at the contact meeting and the desire for their immediate departure.
the shortage line was bullshit. In DS9 they already established that any Trill can join with a symbiont. They made the excuse of capability for the population to prevent them from stealing a symbiont for personl use or worse, sold on the black market. Adira was wrong for keeping Tal, shes a human, that is culturally appropriation at best and i find it funny that Burnham a black woman from earth, fought for it.
Respecting the Prime Directive is important. These cultures have a right to feel closed minded on their planets. Ever heard if the 'Their house, their rules' saying? Trills are overprotective of their Symbiotes.
When I read this I thought: this was written to resonate with us _as we are now_ so that we'd watch it. Future generations might look back on this just as we look back on old, e.g., racist films.
This show is not Star Trek, and to call it that is the only abomination I see here. It should have just been called 'Woke in Space'. Maybe have a robot running around yelling '...danger Will Robinson, danger..."
Star Trek has had a good history of being socially progressive, but not at the expense of the plot. Discovery seems obsessed with ticking wokeness boxes, rather than incorporating it into the universe in a progressive way.
I don't even know where to begin. The amount of disgrace to DS9 and all that makes Star Trek great is just 💩 💩all over. I just hope they would have ended Discovery already.
Just stop commenting don't comment I'm sick of hearing you guys complain complain complain if you don't like it don't watch it but stop thinking do we have to hear you complain about a TV show that's still exist to this day so stop acting like we care what you going to say we don't we're sick of hearing you complain
Every single, is negative negative negative not those who of us who are actually trying to talk about the show met with bullying by you guys so stop it we're sick of it I'm sick of it just don't watch it don't come at any socials if you don't have anything good enough to say the don't say it by the way you broke a commandment which is honored by neighbor which means you have to respect those around you who like something that you do not like.
Oh gosh...Discovery is truly awfull. Burnham have the power to make any situation worse. "No, none will do that"...shut up, Burnham...it is not your job to dictate how other cultures work ! At least have the minimal decency of TALKING, not giving order, to other cultures. And to think I had hopes Discovery could be good.
What worse these guys are going to kill the human hose just to get the Symbiote. You can't blame Michael for being defensive she believes the symbiode chosen her and she helped really put the bond in and the tal wanted to return to the Federation.
Ya know, it just occurred to me that Jadzia never really talked about home or going home and Ezri's family preferred life within the Orion Syndicate. No wonder why... *_These people are assholes._*
I love the dodging of expectations by making it appear like the guy in red is gonna be the asshole but he's not
The last human trill joining was riker that was not good it nearly killed him
But probably, they have found a solution to avoid this problem.
Guido.
@@Guidogregotti While not impossible, it is improbable and impractical. Trills are marsupials. Humans aren't. Maybe if host Trills mate with humans. But base humans? Not without medical help like Riker.
@@noblewolfe891 I know what you mean, and, even if there was that help, Riker has risked to die, so Odan has asked to be removed from him because he doesn't want to cause any more suffering to Riker, even if the same Odan will risk to die.
I hope it will be explained how Adira manages to survive, because, even if she is human, it seems she won't mean a temporary host but she will remain with Tal without any problems: probably, as I told, in these centuries there has been found a way to avoid reject, and she has is not part-Trill.
I know that in the beginning she was not able to connect with the memories with the other hosts, but I have never heard about problem of incompatibility.
See you soon.
Guido.
Plus could have been mix with Trill in the past a 1000 years a lot can happen
@@noblewolfe891 Maybe it wasn't just a physical rejection, but a mental thing. And somehow being so close with the last host allowed her to be more open? Maybe that's why his consciousness is still hanging around, maybe he is somehow helping her mind cope with all of the extra information.
Did the Trill decide to play the long game? It's clear the host was not going to live forever. I would assume the Trill would be ready when the symbiote needed a new host.
The Trill symbiant is truely in a "symbiatic" relationship with it's host, benefiting the host as much as it does its self. It shares its memories with the its host and together they form a unique personality. It's a true blend of two individuals. It attaches itself to the mid-spline of its host. On the other hand the Goa'uld symbiant (SG1), which attaches itself to the brain stem of its host (usually by violent means), take complete control of its host by suppressing the host's personality. The only thing symbiatic about this relationship is that the Goa'uld takes over the host's immune system affording the host perfect health an extended life. Other than this fact the Goa'uld is more the parasite than a true symbiant. Now, there is another faction of the Goa'uld that call themselve "the Tok'ra". These are the good guys who only take voluntery hosts.
Even though they still have a huge ego like the Goa'uld, they are more like the Trill symbiant and just share the host body with the host's personality. However, they are not as blended personality wise as the Trills are and they have to have more of a "internal dialog" with there host.
@@jonlobello7151 The point is rejecting the Human outright. The Trill lost contact with the symbiote. The ability to track the health of the symbiote. Now I know they "star treked" this out and every worked out. But it would be an interesting storyline having a symbiote living in a Human for many years then transferring to a Trill. What would the new host-symbiote say or feel. Would it be viewed a horror story, tale of survival, vacation?
@@Dularr I accidently sent this answer to you. It applies to the previous questioner.
@@jonlobello7151 explain how it benefits the host? If anything the Trills are slaves to the symbiants
@@dataphoenix8004 I don't need to explain anything to anyone. Look up "symbiosis". Secondly, it's only fantasy, so who really cares?! Thirdly, you must be a conservative because you see things in black and white.
Dammit Ezri!
I love Discovery because it similar to Voyager in that their crews are in different places trying to overcome obstacles
Discovery and Voyager were both shit -- but Discovery is the worst by far
You don't have to watch it you don't have to come out of every single time stop being entitled self-centered bully because all she said she loves this show and it reminds her of Voyager and what you have a negative comment about it. You're a toxic fan base that doesn't care about anybody else by themselves all she did was say she likes the show just like me are you really or that self-centered that you have to put it's all down because we like something you do not like
Its nice to see a Hebrew name in star trek, after so many years. The name Adira is a hebrew name which means "she's Mighty".
She prefers to be addresed not as a “they” though. Which is odd since the word “they” normally used to refer to two or more people.
@@jayedatredes2890 Not at this point in the show. And you are incorrect. "They" has ALWAYS been used as both singular and plural. Check yourself.
@@LeeKeels I do try to check my grammar! 😊
I prefer my grammar to be as numerically proper as possible. The use of the word “they” as a singular diminishes the accuracy. 😁
@@jayedatredes2890 as a technicality you're still wrong, Adira is host to several other people so "they" here is absolutely correct.
So, Burnham hasn't caught up with Kirk in terms of saving everyone, every time?
No way she is up to Picard in terms of rescued civilizations.
Hell, The Cisco saved the entire quadrant and ascended to Godhood.
This girl is slacking...she aint no Space Jesus.
Give that to Admiral Adama.
So say we all
So say we all!
Well said
the ds9 till makeup was wayyyy better
You go space Jesus
Besides, Will Riker hosted a symbiant for a short time in Next Gen.
I'm also a great SG1 fan and once read a crossover where SG1 found themselves in the Star Trek Universe. When Teal'c's symbiant matured, the Trill helped him replace it with a Trill symbiant, otherwise, Teal'c would have died.
Why the fuck didn't they make that into a movie
@@MrKevinkk Because it was a Fan Fiction.
Serious question / I just don't remember...was one _symbiote_ and the other _symbiant_ ? (I can't go check without losing my app's place )
@@trollme.trollmehard.9524 The Trill symbiant is truely in a "symbiatic" relationship with it's host, benefiting the host as much as it does its self. It shares its memories with the its host and together they form a unique personality. It's a true blend of two individuals. It attaches itself to the mid-spline of its host. On the other hand the Goa'uld symbiant (SG1), which attaches itself to the brain stem of its host (usually by violent means), take complete control of its host by suppressing the host's personality. The only thing symbiatic about this relationship is that the Goa'uld takes over the host's immune system affording the host perfect health an extended life. Other than this fact the Goa'uld is more the parasite than a true symbiant. Now, there is another faction of the Goa'uld that call themselve "the Tok'ra". These are the good guys who only take voluntery hosts.
Even though they still have a huge ego like the Goa'uld, they are more like the Trill symbiant and just share the host body with the host's personality. However, they are not as blended personality wise as the Trills are and they have to have more of a "internal dialog" with there host.
What fanfiction is that? I'd love a link if you know where to find it again.
Where all ye haters? Nah, always gotta uphold optimism. What we have here is compelling Trek. Glad its back. And in hi-def.
WJ shut your word hole!!!!!
@@hawkstringfellow No such setting exists.
Oh yeah so compelling yawn!
@@pens8766 Hahaha. Keep commenting.
Yeah, except it was shown in DS9 nearly any Trill can join and the "selection" criteria was artificial. So the idea that they don't have enough hosts is bullshit. Another plot hole.
According to Ds9 50% of Trills could be a host.They just diddnt tell te people and only took the best to be joined. So dissapointed with discovery ruining the lore just for a bit of conflict.
1. Could. There was no data on longterm viability and you have to consider multiple generations (the current host and all future hosts) for any health issues. *Especially* psychological health, as the example of Joran Dax showed very clearly: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Joran_Dax
2. If those 50% are 3 times as likely to to be on Starfleet ships or colonies, that means 1/4 of the non-joiner and 3/4 of the Joiner population could have died from ships exploding and supply lines stopping dead.
3. If we asume some degree of inheritable traits, that can ruin a species genome.
I think the idea is that many of those who had been joined were in space at the time of the burn, making it so that the symbiont population (which was always more limited) was decimated even more so than the viable host population. So discovery certainly isn't ruining that precedent its just adding to it.
I would assume they lost a significant number of symbiotes.
@@joshuabienstock1015 thank you
As the shortage of acceptable hosts was just misinformation to prevent too many hosts insisting on a symbiont, wouldn't this misinformation be further propagated after the burn with the majority of the symbiotes unable to return except via generation ships.
Adira is adorable
Ezri is cuter though. Adira is more androgynous leaning on masculine.
@@jayedatredes2890 And that is a problem how? Your comments are showing your true nature, and it sure ain't cute.
@@LeeKeels Thank you for the complement! I do often tell the truth even though it may be uncomfortable to some. 😃
Crazy Scenes is doing the same thing with the overly loud music at the end that caused me to ban several other sites. I suspect that it is the same person/people who are just renaming the same site after too many viewers complain.
If the Trill can be that close-minded, arrogant, pompous, and selfish after the burn, then they don't deserve to be hosts for the symbionts. And perhaps the latter sensed that...
The Trill lost the definition of the word "Decimated" in the burn.
Its completely plausible 1 in 10 Joined Trill died in The Burn, as most were off-world.
We've lost the meaning of the word decimated as it means slightly reduced.
Back in Season 3 when Adira was still true to her original concept instead of the 'prop' they turned them into for the tired 'my two dads' storyline in season 4. Their character description was strong, capable and confident, wise beyond their years. All that got chucked in season 4.
If you are not out woking the other wokers how do you prove that you are woke enough?
That just felt off. Like are these trills or characters of “the establishment”.
They're literally the Trill 'establishment' they're the gatekeepers basically.
They are greeting aliens from outer space that they haven't seen for 70 years so they were representatives of the establishment.
What about TNG?
The Trills are members of the federation, isn't it right?
Apparently not after the burn.
Were members, this is the 32nd century. Basically Discovery is a retelling of one of Roddenberry's other favourite story lines, that of Captain Hunt brought into the distant future and rebuilding the Systems Commonwealth (Andromeda). I'm surprised they didn't include encountering an organization called "Pax" as per early pilot's of this story line such as Genesis II, Planet Earth and Strange New World...
Trill is an member of federation and human not what ???
Trill was a member of the Federation in the 24th Century, Discovery somehow traveled hundreds of years into the future, it is possible Trill seceded from the Federation in the intervening centuries!
Apparently from after the burn happened the federation lost access to a lot of world’s including Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, and Tellar from over 350 members to 38 members.
@@captainr800 all the 4 founder of the federation are left her own founded Union
@@gerhardrobertbieber4129 Federation HQ moved out of the region to not make them a target, meaning they were at best going to be "nominal members".
But that the union survived without the 4 founders, shows how resilient it is!
After the burn, not only did many members of the Federation leave the Federation (which is actually counter to the definition of Federation versus Confederation) but planets like Earth and Vulcan left to protect themselves as some blamed the Federation for the burn specifically the founding members. The founding planets leaving the Federation was for both their protection and the protection of the remaining Federation. Besides how else is Captain Dylan Hunt to reunite the Systems Commonwealth.
Why does she care if the trill don't accept her?
I think the symbiont (trill's are the hosts) simply did not want to trigger the body's rejection response by being too forceful since warp drive was not available for it to reach a qualified Trill host when the transfer from Grey was made. Remember the symbiont implanted into Riker took full control to continue his romance with Dr. Crusher under the full expectation they would reach a suitable Trill host before being rejected by Riker's body.
I haven't got here yet. I'm still on TNG so I cant hate just yet. But I'm sure I will 😈
DS9 Has Dax as an example of a Trill.
Dax was a klingon once
There all trills i think he just hung out with klingons
@@abny14 no he was klingon watch DS9
All of Dax’s hosts were Trill. Curzon was a diplomat to the Klingons and had a strong relationship with them but he was not a Klingon. In the Facets episode in s3 of DS9 when Jadzia meets her previous hosts, you literally see that Curzon was Trill when Odo morphs into him.
Bull shit there been more humans taken on hosts
Bunch of snobs ignoring “it” and not offering help.
To Trills only the Symbiotes are important and rightfully so. The history ceases to be important when the symbiote is in danger.
Even in DS9, they told their population that few of them qualified to accept a symbiont even though half could simply because they didn't have very many symbionts. With the burn, must of their symbionts would've been offworld experiencing the galaxy so they would only have a few symbionts to distribute so of course they would further the lie that few of the population qualified. Having a symbiont return in an alien host would expose their lie of very strict requirements for implantation hence no media presence at the contact meeting and the desire for their immediate departure.
the shortage line was bullshit. In DS9 they already established that any Trill can join with a symbiont. They made the excuse of capability for the population to prevent them from stealing a symbiont for personl use or worse, sold on the black market.
Adira was wrong for keeping Tal, shes a human, that is culturally appropriation at best and i find it funny that Burnham a black woman from earth, fought for it.
Nice to know that even in the future there will still be closed-minded peoples and cultures.
Yes, Trump republicans are represented
Respecting the Prime Directive is important. These cultures have a right to feel closed minded on their planets. Ever heard if the 'Their house, their rules' saying? Trills are overprotective of their Symbiotes.
Umm... This isn't a documentary. It is fiction. Or some would characterize it as propaganda. Either way, it isn't real. Right?
When I read this I thought: this was written to resonate with us _as we are now_ so that we'd watch it. Future generations might look back on this just as we look back on old, e.g., racist films.
@@trollme.trollmehard.9524 They were relieved in the end. It opened up an opportunity for them!
Wow, this is just really terrible writing. Glad to see I have not been missing anything. Yikes!
Terrible writing is an understatement! 😂😂😂
@@jayedatredes2890 What's terrible is you.
Actually it's pretty damned good.
@@LeeKeels Projecting arent you? 😂😂😂
I like it, personally
This show is not Star Trek, and to call it that is the only abomination I see here. It should have just been called 'Woke in Space'. Maybe have a robot running around yelling '...danger Will Robinson, danger..."
WOKE IN SPACE! Good one mate!
Awww, boo. I bet you have some VHS you can go watch and stop pissing on what the rest of us like. Bye now.
Star Trek has had a good history of being socially progressive, but not at the expense of the plot. Discovery seems obsessed with ticking wokeness boxes, rather than incorporating it into the universe in a progressive way.
The acting is terrible. Sry to say that.
Maybe "Adira" isn't gay enough? Should she/he/it/zer/zim be super gay?
Lawd, this show is a hot mess.
Nah, just your attitude.
This farce is still in production? Lmfao....
I don't even know where to begin. The amount of disgrace to DS9 and all that makes Star Trek great is just 💩 💩all over. I just hope they would have ended Discovery already.
I want to give this show a chance, so bad. But god, its awful. Picard is even worse.
just ruining the established canon to further the bs narrative by disregarding the customs and evolution of an entire species .
SJWs ruin EVERYTHING!
What "established canon" do you perceive to be ruined?
Just stop commenting don't comment I'm sick of hearing you guys complain complain complain if you don't like it don't watch it but stop thinking do we have to hear you complain about a TV show that's still exist to this day so stop acting like we care what you going to say we don't we're sick of hearing you complain
Every single, is negative negative negative not those who of us who are actually trying to talk about the show met with bullying by you guys so stop it we're sick of it I'm sick of it just don't watch it don't come at any socials if you don't have anything good enough to say the don't say it by the way you broke a commandment which is honored by neighbor which means you have to respect those around you who like something that you do not like.
Oh gosh...Discovery is truly awfull. Burnham have the power to make any situation worse. "No, none will do that"...shut up, Burnham...it is not your job to dictate how other cultures work ! At least have the minimal decency of TALKING, not giving order, to other cultures.
And to think I had hopes Discovery could be good.
What worse these guys are going to kill the human hose just to get the Symbiote. You can't blame Michael for being defensive she believes the symbiode chosen her and she helped really put the bond in and the tal wanted to return to the Federation.