@Tejesh Patel There was zero science in this episode. Just a little girl that inherited a trill from old BF, and how old were they? 15? That and a bunch of crew that should be court-martialed. Star Trek was about solving problems and dispensing stereotypes, and I saw none of that. Might as well name this 'Soap Trek'
@@putinscat1208 Have you seen this episode or any star trek? It's star trek, it's science fiction. What crew should be court-martialed, the crew of a civilian generational ship? If we ignore the fact it was a civilian ship and they can't be court-martialed we don't even know what the situation was on board. It's a generational ship that had limited warp drive at the very best. Her BF was probably the only Trill anywhere near them when the Admiral died. Ignoring the fact that Trill humanoids are now endangered and they don't even have enough of them for all the symbiotes should they just let the symbiote die and not put it in a young volunteer Trill? Should Adira just let the symbiote and any memory of her BF die? I hated season 1 and 2 of discovery but this episode was actually good and more like legacy trek then anything since DS9/VOY. At least watch the episode before bitching about it because those weren't even valid criticisms.
@@putinscat1208You criticized star trek for having science fiction in it and said that a civilian crew should be court martialed because of a disaster in deep space. Your reasoning was that to save a Trill symbiote they were forced to put it in a young host? You also tried to say because of that is was not trek like. Well it was, something similar already happened to a main character in DS9. Ezri had the Dax symbiote put in her at a young age and she had zero training, she only got the symbiote to save its life. To quote Ezri Dax: "I laid down on that operating table one person and I woke up a completely different person. Well, I should say eight different people. I was not prepared for this at all. I mean, you're supposed to get years of training and preparation before you get joined, and all I got was a fifteen minute lecture from the ship's surgeon, and he wasn't even a Trill." He is the reasoning from the show runner. “It felt like the best way to go was to go young, to go with a young, fresh-out-of-the-Academy kid, who is now an old soul, and to have that host not be so adept at it. This is a person who wasn’t quite ready for this whole honor that has been bestowed on them, and is having adjustment problems.” Executive producer Ira Steven Behr Everyone's opinion is valid, I just wish more people would talk about thier opinion instead of parroting some trash youtube video, like seriously go watch the episode, it's the most trek like episode we have had in decades.
Really good episode. When she mentioned Bajoran hasparet early in the episode, I assumed they were deliberately trying to make it look like she had the Dax symbiot. So they could have a twist of the bald red priest guy that went rogue and helped them actually being Dax.
How was that a lethal injury, in modern times nevermind Star Trek? A quote from Lower Decks "we live on a spaceship, you're not dying from a spear!" comes to mind. Why focus on a shard like that? Have them bleeding from every orafice and choking while talking and then you got me convinced that wizbang Star Trek level techno-wizard medicine couldn't save them.
There could have been injuries from the concussion and impact with the wall and floor that made surviving removing the shard and recovering impossible. The blood coming from Grey's mouth seems to indicate internal bleeding coming from far away from the abdominal wound. A concussive blast can rip things inside a person without leaving any obvious outside sign. Joined Trill also seem to be somewhat more fragile than humans, possibly because of their physiology adapting to support the symbiote almost in preference to supporting their own life.
@@woodrobin exactly my point since the focus of attention was in the most trivial of injuries when there could have been far more going on. A focus on a readout showing wide range of traumas would have been a far more compelling moment rather than something specifically proven time and again to be trivial for Star Trek medical tech.
Is there any species or beloved trope of Star Trek the writers of VD will not shit upon in their never ending quest to destroy it? I am watching clips of this latest season at the insistence of someone who insists this trash is better than the previous two. So far she has been wrong, very very wrong. Trill are symbionts not mystical beings from some other dimension or whatever mystical claptrap that was supposed to be.
This reminded me of The Legend of Korra where she reconnects with the past Avatars it's similar in that the previous host helps her heal and move forward.
I find the scene where Adira takes on the symbiote from Gray so loving. Knowing all that Gray took on, and not wanting to lose something Gray held so precious, Adira to take that upon themself. So beautiful.
This is not Trek. The short sentences devoid of any true meaning, the long stares begging to try and convey some emotion, the overly dramatic music trying to prey on your emotions, and lack of any deeper meaning. The entire plot is just centred on how someone loves someone else. She loves him, he loves her but not her, she loves him, she loves her, he loves him 🙄 It's plot is based on simple genetic tropes 🤦♂️
@@vinnyc.1265 😅 You can't read a post. How interesting! The show tries to convey emotion not by actually acting but through every other trick in the book. And fails miserably at it.
It's an unfortunate side effect of the sense of ownership felt by a few loud, insistent, "fans". If the show, this one or any other one doesn't live up to their version of it then the whole world is going to know about it. In the end the complaints reveal much about their authors, about the show? Not so much.
There must have been a slight uniform change in Starfleet from Senna's death and Discovery's reappearance since the rank pips and comm badges have a different appearance to those seen in 3189
Not necessarily. This may just be the face the hosts wanted to show, sort of like a residual self-image from The Matrix. Senna may have deliberately chosen to present as an old man so as to convey his grandfatherly nature and his authority as Starfleet Chief of Staff.
This episode is Discovery's "Far Beyond The Stars" or "The Inner Light". Even in a series with season-long story arcs, this stands out as a monumental stand-alone piece of fantastic storytelling.
Adira joined themselves w a lifeform that her boyfriend who was dying (the blue haired kid in this scene) and all of the other trill (kind of aliens) who’d been joined before came to greet adira this was after adira came to trill planet you really should watch the episode
I just watch this occasionally to laugh 😂 🤣 In a future where they can regrow organs, heal bones and massive injury in minutes, etc. A shard of glass is a death sentence 😂🤣😂
This had me bawling like a baby. Got me right in the feels.
@Tejesh Patel Are you f-ing serious?
@Tejesh Patel There was zero science in this episode. Just a little girl that inherited a trill from old BF, and how old were they? 15? That and a bunch of crew that should be court-martialed. Star Trek was about solving problems and dispensing stereotypes, and I saw none of that. Might as well name this 'Soap Trek'
@@putinscat1208 Have you seen this episode or any star trek?
It's star trek, it's science fiction. What crew should be court-martialed, the crew of a civilian generational ship? If we ignore the fact it was a civilian ship and they can't be court-martialed we don't even know what the situation was on board. It's a generational ship that had limited warp drive at the very best. Her BF was probably the only Trill anywhere near them when the Admiral died. Ignoring the fact that Trill humanoids are now endangered and they don't even have enough of them for all the symbiotes should they just let the symbiote die and not put it in a young volunteer Trill? Should Adira just let the symbiote and any memory of her BF die?
I hated season 1 and 2 of discovery but this episode was actually good and more like legacy trek then anything since DS9/VOY. At least watch the episode before bitching about it because those weren't even valid criticisms.
@@Bitchslapper316 Of course, your 'opinion' is completely accurate. F U!
@@putinscat1208You criticized star trek for having science fiction in it and said that a civilian crew should be court martialed because of a disaster in deep space. Your reasoning was that to save a Trill symbiote they were forced to put it in a young host? You also tried to say because of that is was not trek like.
Well it was, something similar already happened to a main character in DS9. Ezri had the Dax symbiote put in her at a young age and she had zero training, she only got the symbiote to save its life.
To quote Ezri Dax:
"I laid down on that operating table one person and I woke up a completely different person. Well, I should say eight different people. I was not prepared for this at all. I mean, you're supposed to get years of training and preparation before you get joined, and all I got was a fifteen minute lecture from the ship's surgeon, and he wasn't even a Trill."
He is the reasoning from the show runner.
“It felt like the best way to go was to go young, to go with a young, fresh-out-of-the-Academy kid, who is now an old soul, and to have that host not be so adept at it. This is a person who wasn’t quite ready for this whole honor that has been bestowed on them, and is having adjustment problems.”
Executive producer Ira Steven Behr
Everyone's opinion is valid, I just wish more people would talk about thier opinion instead of parroting some trash youtube video, like seriously go watch the episode, it's the most trek like episode we have had in decades.
The music in this scene is amazing. The scene is so chilling.
Really good episode. When she mentioned Bajoran hasparet early in the episode, I assumed they were deliberately trying to make it look like she had the Dax symbiot. So they could have a twist of the bald red priest guy that went rogue and helped them actually being Dax.
I am crazy about Adira and Gray's relationship, and revisiting this scene totally brings tears to my eyes and gets me SO choked up.
100% pure star trek! my face wet...
How was that a lethal injury, in modern times nevermind Star Trek? A quote from Lower Decks "we live on a spaceship, you're not dying from a spear!" comes to mind. Why focus on a shard like that? Have them bleeding from every orafice and choking while talking and then you got me convinced that wizbang Star Trek level techno-wizard medicine couldn't save them.
Thank you. When I saw this I was like 🤦♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️
Autodoc can do instant transplant of a embedded symbiote, but cant patch a few holes. Sounds about as well thought out as the rest of it.
Shards of plot device can't be repaired easily. They are very often deadly.
There could have been injuries from the concussion and impact with the wall and floor that made surviving removing the shard and recovering impossible. The blood coming from Grey's mouth seems to indicate internal bleeding coming from far away from the abdominal wound. A concussive blast can rip things inside a person without leaving any obvious outside sign. Joined Trill also seem to be somewhat more fragile than humans, possibly because of their physiology adapting to support the symbiote almost in preference to supporting their own life.
@@woodrobin exactly my point since the focus of attention was in the most trivial of injuries when there could have been far more going on. A focus on a readout showing wide range of traumas would have been a far more compelling moment rather than something specifically proven time and again to be trivial for Star Trek medical tech.
Connecting to something bigger than yourself ....few are those who find that path
1000 years in the future and they can't save the host? The EMH from Voyager would have saved him.
The fact that the symbiote has the memories from both sides is kinda sad
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Wow! Comment already obliterated by the PC police.
you mean the Thought Police XD
Soooo... basically just the sequence of Avatar Korra meeting her past lives? Okay.
Is there any species or beloved trope of Star Trek the writers of VD will not shit upon in their never ending quest to destroy it?
I am watching clips of this latest season at the insistence of someone who insists this trash is better than the previous two. So far she has been wrong, very very wrong. Trill are symbionts not mystical beings from some other dimension or whatever mystical claptrap that was supposed to be.
buzzfeed unsolved
Who writes this crap?
The storytelling here has a watery, almost dreamlike quality that I think makes a real contribution to the body of what Star Trek is and can be.
you must be on acid
This reminded me of The Legend of Korra where she reconnects with the past Avatars it's similar in that the previous host helps her heal and move forward.
I was thinking about that as well as i watched this scene XD BTW I did watch The Legend of Korra :D
This episode got me crying for one reason Adira and Gray bond became so deep it put a spark in my mind. The love they have touched me
I would love to see an episode about Adira Tal's Zhian'tara. That would be an amazing episode.
I find the scene where Adira takes on the symbiote from Gray so loving. Knowing all that Gray took on, and not wanting to lose something Gray held so precious, Adira to take that upon themself. So beautiful.
This scene is extremely Trek and people still downvote it. I am so confused about the Fandom Menace at this point.
This is not Trek. The short sentences devoid of any true meaning, the long stares begging to try and convey some emotion, the overly dramatic music trying to prey on your emotions, and lack of any deeper meaning.
The entire plot is just centred on how someone loves someone else. She loves him, he loves her but not her, she loves him, she loves her, he loves him 🙄 It's plot is based on simple genetic tropes 🤦♂️
Maybe because the show is utter shit....hmmm
@@alcoholandfun243 So you are mad because it has emotion, and it's not robotic? Very interesting.
@@vinnyc.1265 😅 You can't read a post. How interesting!
The show tries to convey emotion not by actually acting but through every other trick in the book. And fails miserably at it.
It's an unfortunate side effect of the sense of ownership felt by a few loud, insistent, "fans". If the show, this one or any other one doesn't live up to their version of it then the whole world is going to know about it. In the end the complaints reveal much about their authors, about the show? Not so much.
I like how we got to see Picard Era's Starfleet Uniform
The music in this scene is exquisite! I've imagined learning to play the violin just to play the score from this scene! 🎻❤️
The female host with a grey starfleet uniform, I wonder if she was before Senna Tal cause the uniforms look similar
More interestingly, the male host standing to Senna's left is wearing a ST: Picard era Starfleet uniform. One wonders if he'll pop up in season 2
There must have been a slight uniform change in Starfleet from Senna's death and Discovery's reappearance since the rank pips and comm badges have a different appearance to those seen in 3189
Finally got to see Admiral Senna Tal
Notice that all are prime adults except for Senna; This means most all died relatively young...
Not necessarily. This may just be the face the hosts wanted to show, sort of like a residual self-image from The Matrix. Senna may have deliberately chosen to present as an old man so as to convey his grandfatherly nature and his authority as Starfleet Chief of Staff.
This episode is Discovery's "Far Beyond The Stars" or "The Inner Light". Even in a series with season-long story arcs, this stands out as a monumental stand-alone piece of fantastic storytelling.
I just found out Senna Tal was played by Kenneth Welsh. He also played Windom Earle on Twin Peaks back in the day.
I retro spect I wish Jadzia or Ezri had one of these scenes.
Paramount's tolerance of the "Trek Against Trump" movement indicates the patronage of fans with conservative values is no longer welcome.
I’d love to feel like I wasn’t alone like this I feel so alone
If I could choose a race in star trek to become I would choose trill. I find the fact of the joining amazing.
What caused Tal previous host to die exactly?
Did you somehow not see a giant asteroid hit their ship?
If you mean the Admiral, he probably just got old
They were too busy unwrapping presents, and yeah, something bad happened.
Bad writing.
You'd think that by then, with personal transporters, that they'd also have personal shields as that would be most important
This episode made me cry ;-; I’m in love with grey ;-; will always be i wanna see more of Adria and grey
This had me welling up a bit.....the music was perfect for the scene
I notice that three of tal's previous hosts were starfleet officers.
No idea what's going on.
Adira joined themselves w a lifeform that her boyfriend who was dying (the blue haired kid in this scene) and all of the other trill (kind of aliens) who’d been joined before came to greet adira this was after adira came to trill planet you really should watch the episode
I have been mussing a great show.
No hull rocks?
Dude that's f.u.b.r besides the only reason she was compatible with the simbiote is because of the writers
Why is Michael here? Not everything needs to be about her.
I just watch this occasionally to laugh 😂 🤣
In a future where they can regrow organs, heal bones and massive injury in minutes, etc. A shard of glass is a death sentence 😂🤣😂
Worst Character in star trek ever