Dark Magician - Failed Cards, Archetypes, and Sometimes Mechanics in Yu-Gi-Oh
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2024
- Alright, we’ve had almost 10 years of copium. It’s time to admit that Dark Magician is a flop. Maybe not in your hearts, but definitely in the TCG Meta. Nostalgia has brought this deck a long way, and many of us have played it since it’s one of the most iconic cards in the game, which really is a shame since this deck has never honestly gotten its time to shine. It’s a tough time for the ultimate wizard in terms of attack and defense. For all the support it has received throughout our lifespan, the OG of Yu-Gi-Oh can’t put it all together, or in this case, it did, but it went nowhere. So before you guys burn us at the stake, grab your Hogwarts wands, set hexes on us, and tell us to “get good” with everyone’s favorite bad deck, watch this video and see why Dark Magician failed severely in the
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Hearing Yugi shout "Dark Magician... *DARK MAGIC ATACK* " lives rent free in my head
*BURAK MAGIKKU!!!*
I prefer: ULTIMATE BURST STREAM !!!!!
"the last thing anyone does in yugioh is read so why would you force your monster to do it" dude you cannot come out of the gates with a banger like this
It is actually really sad how few yugioh players read. I've had people get mad because I was "taking too long". My response is always "well yeah, because I actually read" 😂
As the professor says reading the card explains the card. People don't like that in yigioh for some reason.
@@BouncingZeus the professor tried Yu-Gi-Oh with team APS. Reading the cards only confused him further in several cases. Doesn't help that you're going to be reading a novella or two halfway through the first combo play.
@@Raytheharbinger0 Doesnt help that today the old school method of having a memory of like 300 card effects just by battling a monster a few times is no longer viable...now each card is a book and you gotta think ok what's in their grave and what does this do. I sware when i came to the conclusion that anime shonen fights that are good are just yugioh battles lol i realized people hate them when their so complex they just start making up plot holes. You thought you would win but i activate my trap i mean stand ability i mean nen ability i mean cursed energy to lose all but 1 of my lp i mean all my potential to attack you once at that cost...Not so fast I use avoid and dodged at the cost of a small cut on my cheek and a lost arm your turn XD.
Dark Magician : *breathe
TSX1 : BROKEN DARK MAGICIAN COMBO BEST DECK TIER 0 BROKE META
you forgot "New Card"
It is supposed to be "ONE CARD COMBO UNDEFEATED BRAND NEW DARK MAGICIAN DECK 100% WIN RATE OPPONENT RAGE QUIT GOD DECK TIER 0 META! MASTER DUEL IS IN DANGER BECAUSE OF THE DARK MAGICIAN SENDING PEOPLE TO THE SHADOW RELMS". I think I pretty much cover all of his channel title there
@@yta5234 spot on
As much as i want to defend DM cause it's a fun archetype, it's stans really need to chill.
@@yta5234 kekw
Thats really sound like Tsx1 title, you win man
You forgot to mention Mahad's other downside that it has 3x to chance to be in your first hand if you have it in your deck
Mahad just wants to be at your side.
Dude was the loyalest homie in ancient egypt.
Just play fire king island so you can destroy your drawn mahad in hand to summon dark magician from deck 😏
That's why I have multiple bricks 🧱 in my deck
Mahad is an specific kind of Garnet.
Most garnets you don't want them in your hand period, Mahad is a "First hand Garnet". In almost any other step of duel he's cool, but that damn first hand Mahad that he always appears... even if you only have a single copy of him in the entire deck.
Should we make "Mahad" a subkind of "Garnet" for slang?
That happened so many times, I threw him out and never looked back. And I only used one copy in my deck.
I have no clue how Konami can release generic cards thinking they will fix a specific archetype. It truly is like they've never played a card game before, let alone their own.
If a card is not generic no one will play them and it limits card design.
Example, if stardust required dragon tuner and non wind tuners. No one will play it. It's why no one liked fusions with specific material
@@soukenmarufwt5224 nobody liked fusions with specific materials because a lot of them werent searchable or hard to bring out. Making cards non generic does anything but limit the card design because you can make some busted cards that have the natural drawback of being limited to one archetype
Ye
Power creep. There are so many cards, and so many archetypes, that have so many abilities, that the game has become bloated and no one person or small group of people can comprehend every possible card combination. People will just gravitate to what works and leave the rest unused and wasted in the bargain bin.
I enjoy watching these videos from time to time because I played Yu-Gi-Oh in the early days when it was a simple game, but there is no way I'm ever going to play these days with how convoluted the game is now.
@@soukenmarufwt5224 poor argument, card exclusivity is what makes archetypes unique, or else you get the current disaster of yugioh. Every deck spamming the same damn end boards by different means.
It's funny that the main weakness of dark magician is dark magician itself
almost any time they make legacy support that requires you to run an old crap card as a garnet, you can tell it's just intended to be a gimmick/fun deck. like say what you want about heroes, but that thing still randomly tops like once a year because you don't have to run freaking vanilla neos to get out dark law
@@samuelheddle thank God Jaden never had an definitive ace monster. At least for Arc V and vrains legacy support, they're pretty good
@@Guythatlivesaquietlife cough cough elemental hero neos cough cough
it only recently became semi playable thanks to the Favorite cards and spirit of neos and the Xtra HERO Support for evil hero
That's what happens if you throw out your design concept in favor of power-creep. Originally, effect monster had the trade-off of having low ATK and DEF and as such being easy to out through battle. Why does Baronne de Fleur need to have the same stats as Blue-Eyes in addition to several great effects? The card would still be played if it had 1000 less of each. Bystials have better stats than a Summoned Skull, but can special summon themselves and have another great effect. Normal monsters were done dirty.
@@Runenschuppe honesty... I'm perfectly fine with powercreep
Just a reminder to all people saying that this will trigger old school fans:
It only failed in competitive tcg, a wagon most archetypes are already in.
People play casual Yu-Gi-Oh for a reason.
90% of the cards in the game are not competitive anyway
@@thebuddah1253 but we do love using many of them for fun.
Correct me if im wrong, but im pretty sure Dark Magician actually WAS a competetive deck, albeit briefly. One of the waves of new support, idr which one, but i remember it seeing a good amount of play and topping some events. But again, I could be wrong.
@@terryliliana well yah it's a fun game. Playing it genuenly competitively is cringe. Nobody can actually defend how poorly balanced the game is.
Filthy casual here. Can confirm grandpa's deck has no pathetic cards 😅
I think the “the end board is always 1 piece away, even with a good hand” was the perfect way to explain the deck’s current situation. Great video.
Nonetheless, it’s still my favourite deck. So we keep doing what we can with what we got.
Errata Eye of Timaeus and give us a palladium link 1.
Great deck lists btw!
This guy is going places! I hope Konami help us with a better card in the next months c:
Honestly, I love Dark Magician, Dark Magician Girl and all of their support, but I agree. Trying to establish a powerful end board is very hard and if I am going second, I might as well surrender if the opponent makes a half-decent board.
The biggest crime against Dark Magician was Konami being stuck up and having Magi Magi Magician Gal locked unless it got censored.
God bless Kazuki Takahashi's soul for actually standing his ground and not seeing such a beauty changed.
Bro, it was just a pentagram, I much rather have her on the TCG censored, than not at all.
@@danielcodoceo722nobody likes having their work censored at all.
@@StrategicLemon most people don't care about censorship, we just want to play with the cards. The censorship war is a degenerate shit anyway.
@@danielcodoceo722 I'd rather keep the pentagram and Ankh.
@@danielcodoceo722 im pretty sure dark magician girls boob size also gets censored in the TCG, no dout magi magi would of had her breasts censored alongside that pentagram.
it may be failed but in our hearts it succeeded forever...
The fact that Duel Links is balanced around anime favorites and not ultra meta tier 0 combos is probably why Duel Links remains the best way to play Yugioh Casually. After all, while Duel links has a lot of similar cards mentioned as completely broken in the TCG, the pacing of the game, smaller board, lack of a Main Phase 2, Skills, and smaller deck size forces a lot of the combo heavy archetypes to slow down giving others a chance to shine, but still feels fast enough that you can still pull off crazy stuff. It's just a lot less "play to win" thanks to careful wording and card choice forcing a lot of the stronger cards to be archetype specific and a lot of negate heavy cards are either difficult to bring out, 1 ofs, or inconsequential in the long game. Yeah duel links still has it's tier 0s and it does fix the balance a LOT, but... you never feel the burden because you can always play against the CPUs who play more casual friendly decks, and you never have to win PvP to get cards or points. People sometimes gripe that the game is "pay to win". Far from, in the 5 years I've played it, I only spent like $30 and that was for some of the exotic one of cards in the shop. You don't need them. Spending on gems to do more pulls is a waste of money as you get tons of free gems just playing the game daily and unlike Pokemon MASTERS EX....the cards you want are NEVER time gated. they're always available so you can take your time. Very F2P friendly.
@@MarioMastaridiot
One of dark Magicians biggest problem is the fact you have to run a level 7 vanilla monster that has become more and more worthless in the hand or on the field. Personally the deck needs an effect monster replacement to Dark Magician that is treated as dark magician basically everywhere to combo with the support, and has 1+ effects of the necessary spell cards on it. A dark magician that has the effects of dark magic attack and magicians combination on it suddenly means you need to run less DM cards, and the monster itself actually does something on field. The DM engine is so bloated because of the amount of continuous spells/traps you have to run. The deck has strong search and draw power, but because you have to see 4 cards for your endboard cutting the amount down would help immensely, and let you run more non engine to compete and die less to hand traps like ash blossom.
I've been running this deck for years in the TCG and Master duel and that's the decks biggest lingering problem. Running branded cards helps you get your fusions more consistent, but can be resource intensive leading to weaker backrow end boards. Running it pure gives you a better backrow but less consistent extra deck plays, and since eternal soul is the linchpin of the deck you have to protect it and see it, or youre just ending on Dragoon pass (in TCG), which doesnt cut it usually.
If I could give two support cards to DM to help them it would be making eternal soul 2 without the complete board wipe when removed, maybe it just destroys DM when removed since it was protecting them, or hell its 2024 give up the board wipe entirely. And giving us something like Eternal Dark Magician that's treated as DM in the deck, field, hand, and grave (or just make it always, no ones running both it and DM anyways) and give it 2 of the different DM spell/trap effects like a dark magic attack on summon to wipe backrow, and an effect negate as a tribute to summon a DMG from gy or deck, or something like DM circle on summon for the search and banish, giving you two targeted banishes when its summoned if youre running DM circle naturally. Support like this wouldnt make it a Tier 1 threat, but would actually help this aging deck become more usable .
Funny you should mention that, go look up Dark Magician the Black Mage
@@dannyharrell4818 while that does exist, it does nothing to solve DM’s problems as it only counts as DM when it’s on the field, meaning eternal soul cannot bring it back, nor can circle grab it from the top of the deck, nor magicians souls revive it.
@@Rossco1010 true but there's a pretty decent DM/Gold Sarc deck in brewing if you're willing to 50 cards
I disagree on the idea of removing the board wipe aspect of eternal soul. It gives too much protection (kinda) to your monsters for it to have no downsides at all. If you want to remove the board wipe (which I don't agree with since its such a great flavor card) have the protection toned down too. Or replace the protection with more recursion.
Obviously DM even after removing the board wipe won't be meta but I don't want the deck to become a boring psuedo stun like the variants that sit on secret village.
Nothing back breaking but hella annoying
Something i think that could power the deck up immensely would just be to errata eye of timeaus.
The description of this video is the same description from the penguin video.
Guys this does not deserve to be top comment.
Ah Yes, the Penguin of Black Magic. Truly, Yugi's most fearsome card
The timeline where the penguin guy won his duel and became part of the main cast@@Eli-el4ls
Penguins are going to dominate the world
All the homies love Magican's Penguin 🗣🗣🗣
Shows how lazy and complacent duel logs has become
One thing to mention is that when Dark Magician's main set of support was still new, the deck was prohibitively expensive. I remember wanting to build it at the time and gave up on it because it was just a fun rogue deck yet cost almost twice as much as full power Zoodiac at the time.
Why was it so expensive?
@@raonair no reprints for key cards, newest cards were high rarity back before we got supers in every pack, its most important card Apprentice Illusion Magician was a promo that cost ALOT of money at the time
Still kinda expensive. Souls won't be reprinted until next month, Dragoon has 2 prints and some pieces are expensive for no reason lol
I know they don’t do erratas that buff cards, but I don’t see why Eye of Timaeus hasn’t gotten one that makes it searchable by soul servant or Dark magic circle.
Exactly, it’s so stupid. I really wish they would fix that so we don’t have to rely on drawing it or using something like Triple Tactics Thrust to search it.
joey will probably at some point get new support based on the gimmick of the claw of hermos, all you'd need to hope for is that his support includes a "generic" searcher that can be included in dark magician, red eyes or blue eyes deck. all it would need to do is search a legendary dragon card
even better is if it could also have the option to search or summon 🤷♀️ the monster versions of the dragons. that would make it even better if u already have timaeus in hand you could search the monster version
Really is a shame when cards with awesome art get the shaft due to a mistake like that and just forgotten completely. Especially when they introduce another archetype that literally fixes the problem the original one had just to reinforce how doomed the old archetype is.
And that’s why Timeas the united dragon was made. It’s an Eye of Timeas card that’s actually searchable since it specifically mentions Dark magician rather than a dark magician monster in its text.
@@sonicgen20 I see nothing in Timaeus the United Dragon's effect that allows it to bypass the need for the other fusion materials. The way I read it, if you want Dark Paladin, you still need a Buster Blader. Eye of Timaeus _only_ needs Dark Magician.
I'm sure Triamids are an amazing addition to the failed archtype collection
Actually. Triamids are getting new life. As Support with the Ashened :)
No. They were meta in Duel Links
Rata did a video on it if you like to hear more
@@patriotnguyen2721the archetype was so bad and small that he didn't just make a video on it, he made a video that covered triamids and two other bad archetypes.
@@danielramsey6141 YO WHAT
Would be funny if one of these days they pulled a Flame Swordsman on Yugi's deck: That is, take one Monster he uses that has received little to no support. And then release a bunch of great support centered around it that makes it a decent deck much better than Dark Magician could be. Just like how despite Red-Eyes being Joey's signature Monster, Flame Swordsman in one support wave became way better than Red-Eyes has ever been.
I mean dragoon was pretty good red eyes support
You know who could use that? Summoned Skull !! THE OG Boss monster in Manga and season 0 and was a great beatstick in early TCG, right now it has some cards but I wouldn't call those "support" for it. Konami, make it happen, the guy deserved the respect.
@@MilenAnessar The only correct answer is obviously Beaver Warrior.
@@leetriBeaver Warrior? I haven't heard that name in years 🤏🚬
Winged Dragon Guardian of the Fortress #1's time has come.
If Eye of Timaeus was searchable by Soul Servant, and Dark Magical circle, it would honestly be a very consistent deck with extremely powerful endboards. The deck doesn't have a ton of searching capabilities outside of niche spells and traps
Timeas the united dragon is essentially the updated Eye of Timeas. It does what Eye of Timeas does and it’s actually searchable by Dark Magician support searchers as Timeas the united dragon specifically mentions dark magician in its text, not dark magician monster.
EoT is only necessary as an extender. With cards like Timeas the United Dragon and Secrets of Dark Magic. And you're just flat out wrong about the searching capabilities. Magician's soul can dump DM to the grave, Rod can search any spell or trap(besides EoT) and Illusion can search any spell/trap or monster. Tie those together with Circle and Soul Servant, and I have to hand you an L for that last sentence.
@@sonicgen20 TUD is *not* EoT. It requires 3 cards to make a fusion, while Eye only requires 2. United is also susceptible to hand traps like Effect Veiler and Imperm. It's also not a lvl 7, so when it gets negated, AND IT WILL, it pretty much just sits there. All Konami had to do was fix Eye of Timaeus, that's all we asked. Not give us yet another brick to run.
For me the joy of playing dark magician isn't the end board, but watching the opponent scramble to recover after I get a banish and 2 additional summons every turn.
@@akhenatengames you say that like Eye can’t get negated too.
Do you realize what you are asking? Konami doesn’t “fix” cards. Only, occasionally, nerf. And what’s this we business? I’ve legitimately never seen anyone ask for them to “fix” EoT.
I’d be less upset about Dark Magician being a mid archetype if it were cheaper to build for what it is. It feels bad putting a list together and saying, “I could just play a better deck for the same price or less”
I felt the same about the Winged Dragon of Ra deck up until recently. These casual nostalgia decks that have no chance to be competitively viable but do some cool stuff that can steal locals wins should be cheaper than it is. Let the cards that are YCS staples be $100+, fine. Let me have my Egyptian God Slime and Ancient Chant, 😂. Thank goodness at least on that front, Konami finally saw reason.
Melffy are cheaper 😂😂😂
So you have to pay to buy the cards to use them in a tornament?
That makes... no sense. Its like having an E-sport tornament, but you have to bring your own PC, so the guy who has more money to buy a better PC wins.
You should just be able to print out a picture of the card you want to use
Ah yes, Dark Magician, my favorite Penguin Card
1900 beat sticks were actually still at a premium when Skilled Dark Magician came out, especially ones who could be grave yard food for chaos monsters, so while he wasn't great at actually summoning Dark Magician, he was a good card that supported DM.
1900 Attack beatsticks with no down-side (aside from essentially being a vanilla that doesn't benefit from vanilla support but besides the point, it had no downside). By the point of Magician's Force, that class only consisted of Gemini Elf (hobby Secret Rare from Labyrinth of Nightmare), Luster Dragon (same set as Skilled Dark Magician but Ultra Rare) and of course Skilled Dark Magician (how was it a Super Rare). Dark Crisis added the easier to get Archfiend Soldier which funnily enough started the tradition of archetypes having that 1 Level 4 Normal Monster with high Attack in an archetype full of Effect Monsters (of course there was the 'hidden' Archfiend cards that are Archfiends I believe due to them being part of the archetype in the OCG).
Ok, so, good to see that I'm not the only one who had a Brick Magician experience.
Minor note on Skilled Dark Magician: Skilled Dark did have a small niche back in Goat Format and some of the formats that preceded it (though this niche would disappear completely once Cybernetic Revolution was released). Its effect was entirely irrelevant, and Dark Magician wasn't even run alongside it. The niche came entirely from Skilled Dark Magician's stats, and specifically the fact that it had unusually high DEF for a 1900 ATK Level 4 with no downside (which meant it was not as vulnerable to Tsukuyomi or Book of Moon as most beatsticks of the time, while still running over almost all Level 4 and lower monsters that saw play at the time) and was Dark (meaning it could fuel the Chaos monsters). All that said, it wasn't a *great* option; it was effectively a vanilla that just happened to have some unique, useful characteristics, plus it was incompatible with both Sangan and Witch of the Black Forest (not something you wanted to see on a monster that wasn't one of your game-enders).
That and Goat Format players have archived ways of playing Spell Counter support with the different Skilled Magicians. The ironic thing though is if you look at the description for such deck lists, they will say "You can play Dark Magician if you like but we'd advise against it."
My experience with Spell Counter cards in a nutshell
XD
This is hilarious because i was suggested this from a video where Joey was talking to Yami saying how bad this archetype is
"The last thing anyone does in Yu-Gi-Oh! is read so why would you force your monster to do it?"
I died
If you're really good at playing Dark Magician, the title shouldn't upset you, it's sadly true. The more I played it, the more it's gaping flaws became apparent. DM is a win-more deck. You either survive the first turn and win forever, or you brick and die. The rare times I got a semi-decent hand, I could fill every spell and monster zone with win conditions... but only after I was clearly going to win.
All it's best support only slightly helped DM and utterly broke other decks, it's sad that the best way to play DM cards is to just not include most of them.
Same with Red-Eyes, which was worse in that sense, so having Dragoon work in everything but both decks is almost on brand for both archetypes.
In a lot of these videos, the failure doesn't come from the cards not being good, it comes from Konami producing even more broken cards that don't have the same drawbacks and still work with the engine. I mean most of the failed cards boil down to "It can't beat Tears" or "It's better to play one of the three Tier 0 decks than bother playing anything else". Reminds me of Pokemon how from Gen 4 to 7, if you weren't running the top 10 OU pokemon out of 800 of them, you were wasting your time, and yet people got mad about Dexit instead of realizing that Power creep effectively made only 10 pokemon worth using PERIOD.... and don't get me started on Garchomp in Gen 4 and Stealth rock effectively obsoleting 4 of the types.
It's a pain, but that's why I think Konami needs to introduce a system like Duel Links where they divide the card pools for the TCG into tier brackets instead of the horrible ban list that doesn't at all solve the problems and in fact makes things worse (they usually ban important cards for weaker decks so stronger ones can't use it, but it doesn't hurt the stronger decks at all). A tiering system like Smogon would allow casual players to enjoy their favorite archetypes at a slower pace, while the meta heads can play thier Tearlaments and Zoodiac mirror matches all they want.
@@MarioMastar Well if Konami actually bothered to make set rules for themselves & Yu-Gi-Oh! manga artists about keeping Effects to a minimum on cards, 90% of the power creep would have been neutralized.
Another thing Konami did (from what I know) briefly forced the game to have Link monsters run on the Vrans anime rules only to give into the demands to a bunch of whiners who hated the fact they couldn't special summon a bunch of monsters in a single turn and hated the idea they would have to try new strategies.
I created a new card in my head.
Revival Of The Balance
Field Spell
Effect: This card cannot be chained. This card cannot be Destroyed nor Banished. As long as this card remains on the field, any form of Special Summoning (Including Ritual, Fusion, Synchro, XYZ, Pendulum, & Link) are treated with Normal Summon rules.
@@Knight41b wouldn't that just make decks that like to tribute their card or get them into the graveyard way stronger though.
@@ninjah773 Should I also add this? Extra Deck Monsters (as long as “ Revival Of The Balance” is on the field) have their Effects negated regardless of their own Effects stating otherwise. Extra Deck Monsters currently on the field when this card leaves the field will continue to have their Effects negated until they are removed from the field. (Both of these Effects on “Revival Of The Balance” also effect non “Extra Deck” “Effect”monsters that are Pendulum Summoned.
@@Knight41b I guess that would work but that still leaves main deck monsters with graveyard effects really powerful.
The massive design problem behind trying to make a meta-deck based around a classic fan-favourite card has always been: the original card is so outdated that new cards need to be extremely powerful to make up for it... but these new cards need to be unplayable in any other deck.
Furthermore, the business incentive to always need to new cards that sell is a double-edged-sword for fan-favourite archetypes. New cards in this archetype always sell so they will print more, but they will sell regardless of whether the deck is top tier or not. Meanwhile, new archetypes will only sell if their are instantly powerful. Therefore, the best business decision is to frequently print good-but-not-gamebreaking fan-favourite cards, and give gamebreaking abilities to new archetypes.
Therefore, all fan-favourite decks are cursed to almost always be good-but-not-the-best with the hope that the 1 new addition they need is just around the corner.
As someone whos been playing card games for thirty years and an OCG Yu Gi Boomer and Dark Magician player since i was in middle school, this video is 100% on point. As much as i love the archetype it is 100% not a good deck because it doesnt have that little push that helps all its pieces come together into a cohesive whole thats better than the sum of its parts. Instead its often as good as if not worse than the sum of its parts. Its super fun in casual YGO but just a single competitive event will have you reaching for the Eldlich for future games. Sad tos ay, but im okay with DM being a rogue deck.
Long as casual Yugioh players exist, there will always be fun to be had for us OGs and card art collectors. HUGE respect for the flying elephant winners out there. That ONE game out of 150 will be the most epic match of all time!
I saw the title and I thought "Ok let me hear him out first"
I remember how much he hates Dark Sage.
@@thatman666😂 He hates it so much it wasn't even mentioned in the video.
@@danielcain8136 0:33 nah, there it is
I did the same
Honestly dark magician the being the very first protagonist ace monster with 2500 ATK that became traditions for protagonist ace monsters with 2500 ATK never thought that dark magician archetype of all things has received video for failed cards archetypes and mechanics
If anything, i think it was only a matter of time. DM has long been the poster child for decks that are not good despite what the fans say.
Beaver Warrior failed cards video when
@@Skyver24Louise
For Dark Magicians, it needed less spell/traps and more Level 4 or lower monsters. Be a one linear archetype instead of combining it with Blue Eyes, Red Eyes, Gia, Black Luster Soldier, Chaos, and even Dak Magician Girls, etc. (What's next, Dark Magician Harpie).
Perhaps treat the monster line up as "treated as a Dark Magician" monster card or have it be "Dark Magician on the field or GY" to make the deck more searchable. That way, the Spells/Traps can say simply , " Add a Dark Magician card" or "special summon one Dark Magician" instead of saying "a card that mentions Dark Magician. "
What's next: Dark Magician Egyptian God
between souls, soul servant, rod, and illusion of chaos and another 10 cards in a booster someday we'll have a deck boys
A 40 card deck? 😢
You do have a deck
It just sucks lmaoo
If Red-Eyes Fusion is ash'd, you still must abide by Red-Eyes Fusion's restrictions. Ash Blossom negates the effect, not the activation.
The penguin guy from the series wrote the description
“The last thing anyone does in Yu-Gi-Oh! is read so why would you give your monster to do it”
OH NOOOOOOO, that was so on point!!!
I like the call out to sam releasing a "dm unbeatable tier 0 deck opponent surrenders" every week 😂
9:30 that downside is really funny. Every time I play against a DM deck with my Crystal Beasts they get this huge setup going and attack into my Sapphire Pegasus without realizing I can pop it to the back row to trigger Rainbow Bridge of the Heart and blow away their entire field.
I think that Konami should just reboot the archetype. For example, they can give the Dark Magicians storyline a training arc. Konami can have the Dark Magicians accidentally travel to a new world, i.e. the world of Albaz, and have the Dogmatikas hunt their rears down, forcing the DMs to learn new magics, and become stronger to defend themselves and return to their homeworld. Or they can just create a whole new Dark Magicians archetype, let the OG Dark Magicians retire, pass the torch to younger Magicians, name the new generation of Magicians monsters "Dark Magician Legacy" or something, and then give them new supporting cards occasionally. This will sort of keep the name "Dark Magician" around while giving the old janky engine and the OG Garnet Magicians monster a graceful burial, and letting the dead stay dead. Sometimes, it is better to leave the mummies inside the pyramid. But if Konami still wants to do another excavation for another display at the British Museum, they can also give the new Magicians line up the ability to summon their teacher and senior to help them out in battle.
A lot of old archetypes could use a full reboot to modernize them. I feel like that's the point of Yugioh Sevens' Rush duel as it feels like a soft reboot for those who want the classic game but faster paced (I actually love it), but the thing that annoys me is some of the old archetypes need the card text re-written to account for mistakes. I don't want an entirely NEW archetype to replace the old one entirely. cause sometimes we go from "Super cool dragon monsters that can't synergize" to "boring anime human robot warriors who are Tier 0". It's digimon all over again....
I think they are slowly rebooting DM. KONAMI even announced a new retrain of DM too.
The thing that's missing, that most people miss. Is every other deck focuses on getting 1 particular board. Dark Magician can make multiple good boards. I actually had an opening hand that had Illusion of Chaos, Rod, Dark Magician, Circle, and i think Dark Magician Girl. I was going to use rod to get Salvation but decided to use Circle, Salvation was second from the top took that, used that to set soul, used rod to bait no handtraps so grab bind between teacher and student, used Illusion of chaos to grab Timaeus, sent DMG to top of deck. Use timaeus to send rod to Graveyard, Special Summon Timaeus, Use Timaeus ability 2 to fuse into Dragon Knight, activate vond between teacher and student special summon Dmg Set DBM, pass turn they specual summon normal summon they activate a card to kill my DK, i pop soul special DM babish their monster. They set 1 monster and 3 backrow pass during their end phase i pop DBM wipe the board. Another game i shut down a burn deck with dark cavalry from opening with Magicians soul and Eye of timaeus. Another game i opened red eyes fusion at locals twice.sometimes you brick yeah it happens. But the trick is knowing what your opening hand wants to do. Sometimes just having an answer to an opponents play is enough to keep you alive.
Lets remember: Dark Magician is one of the worst monsters ever printed even in its time
Not really, the description of card says: "The absolute wizard in terms of atk and defense". He was the mage with the highest attack when he was released, at a time when that was all that mattered, but some time later even that became a great irony, even discarding the mage fusions that are made from him as matter, came cards like ¨Cosmo Queen¨ and ¨Sorcerer of Dark Magic¨. And even if they didn't exist, with time it became very easy to summon several other monsters with more than 2500 atk in a single turn.
"... and everyone's favorite waifu, Dark Magician Girl." 😂
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Running red eyes forget which one helps this deck out a lot
Let’s you send one level 5 or higher monster to the grave and increase the red eyes level from 5 to 7
@@dannybrennan3585 Red-Eyes Black Meteor Dragon, and it goes from 6 to 7, not 5.
You beat me to it! As the DM UA-camr I wanted to cover this absolute mess of a deck 😂
Still, DM best deck
Knew id see you in here cheers Loza 😂
What's wild about the DMG archetype support over the years is that they were releasing it at the same time as BEWD support and you could literally see and feel what Konami's favorite was from the very beginning.
You can argue DMG is worse because there's more anime cards to interact with where BEWD was almost entirely original from the very beginning since Kaiba mostly focused on trap cards and immediately getting BEWD or Obelisk to the field.
I don't think there's a way to fix DMG at this point, there's just too many routes for the archetype and no way to satisfy everyone. The fact that in the year 2024, DMG still literally lives and dies by a 10 year old trap card and every hand trap in the game is just silly.
Red-eyes gang represent.
I feel like Red-Eyes could have been a great rogue deck if Red-Eyes Fusion didn't lock you out of special summoning anything else.
BEWD won a World's didn't it? Can't say that failed but they call it Brick-Eyes for a reason.
@@qty1315 That would have just made it a strong tech for non Red Eyes decks like how Dragoon was abused exclusively by non Red Eyes decks, Branded would probably kill for a better Red Eyes Fusion card that didn't have the special summoning limit
@@ShiningJudgment666 It won a Worlds where the current meta staples were banned and the only deck without its important cards banned was Blue-Eyes, same tournament that was selling Blue-Eyes packs...
"The last thing anyone does in yugioh is read, so why would you force your *monster* to do it?"
Because someone needs to be able to figure these things out damnit and I can't be bothered to peel my eyes away from the trainwreck that is my opponents XXX anime field protector
There’s quite a few mistakes in the video:
- Palladium Orcale Mahad’s effect to summon itself cannot miss timing if drawn by Sacred Sword of Seven Stars. Drawing Mahad as the last action in the chain, even if you draw other cards with Mahad, it will still activate the trigger effect in hand
- Palladium Oracle Mana was released in the 2019 Gold Sarcophagus Tin, not in the Dark Side of Dimensions Movie Pack. You also missed Magician of Black Chaos MAX, which is another form of Dark Magician support
- Illusion of Chaos does not negate effect activations. It only negates activated effects (yes there is a difference)
- Magikuriboh requires you to take damage before being able to use its quick effect
Although you make good points about why DM has not performed well in the TCG, it’d still be appreciated if things could be double checked in future
why did they make an archetype with a 'pop this spell to lose' card
Old Yugioh was actually balanced.... These cards have the weaknesses that a lot of modern cards need to stop inflating the egos of new players who watch a video, spend a few hundred bucks and suddenly are toppers in tournaments.
Cause being a normal monster isn't enough apparently.
@@MarioMastarMy Brother in Christ, most of this support is less than a decade old.
"Old Yugioh" ended the day the first copy of stardust was printed.
@@MarioMastar Nope, you could run all this modern support and be the best Dark Magician player in the world and still lose to the 2010 meta hard, hell even the 2000's Summoned Skull beatdown meta demolishes modern Dark Magician no contest. It's just not a good archetype, even by OG Yugioh standards.
not to mention it’s wild to call old yugioh balanced when a lot of banned cards are from there and/or errata’d
Much as I love the Dark Magician archetype, as I find it enjoyable to play (when I don't brick at least), it's definitely more of a casual deck than a competitive one.
looks like i need to prepare my pitchfork and tourches for the upcoming Blue-eyes video
Blue eyes has had some success, so I doubt it will be on this series.
@@gamefan56don't underestimate DuelLogs, he likes pissing people off more than making sense or being logical
@@gamefan56Yeah no. It's gonna happen one day buddy.
in this epoisode of fcam:
how can an archetype win worlds and still fail
@@some2043addendum: How an Archetype can win Worlds in a mirror match and still fail
Not to be an “umm actually” but Oracle Mana didn’t come in the movie pack, it was a tin world premiere card
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I still don't get why it's not in Master Duel already. I wanna draw 4 with my Soul Servant, dammit 😂
As a Dark Magician player I found this video very interesting and I think it helped me see more clearly the flaws in my deck. Still gonna run a Branded Dark Magician in a tourney tomorrow lol
I never really expect old cards to be great with new support, but it's always fun to revisit them, at least to me.
This video made me think if HERO, my favourite archetype, is or not a failed archetype as well. I understood why Dark Magician is a failed archetype which was unfortunate to hear, but it also made me understand that your favourite archetype isn't always the best one to use in a competitive format where you need to think strategically, objectively what cards are needed and what are not to build a strong and competitive deck against other players.
Generally "Failed archetypes" are those where their core mechanic has a fundamental flaw due to a design decision that prevents you from playing it at it's full potential. Dark Magician is a deck designed around using spell cards and traps as fodder to facilitate powerful plays, but the problem is they all require the Dark Magician, and unlike the anime, there's no way to make a level 7 vanilla monster on the field a threat unless the cards play into benefitting the monster itself, which none of the DM cards do. They all treat DM as fodder to facilitate the plays that...are designed to get him out in the first place, and all that mumbo jumbo doesn't seem to help with getting the actual boss monsters out, OR they only help getting the bosses out but not DM himself who is necessary to activate the effects that require him in the first place.
In other words, You need 10 straws to make 1 play and their solution is to add more straws instead of just filling the cup with juice in the first place. I don't know much about Heroes, but given they're your favorite, I'm sure you can analyze how they play in a vacuum and see how long it takes and how consistently you can make a strong end board. Pretend your opponent is passing every turn to get a baseline, then think about what kind of effects can counter your plays and try to play with those in mind. If you can reasonably answer them and still get a solid board by the end of your second turn REGARDLESS of your opening hand, it's not a failed archetype. DM bricks half of his draws and is NOT a high risk/high reward deck that can make up for it on a good game.
I love Red Eyes, but its cards are mostly terrible to play with. For me, Blackwings are the best deck.
I think yes, especially when their most definitive play throughout the years is just Dark Law pass and it only got a recent change with Dark Angel, DPE, etc, and it only made a short burst of rogue success.
Though what Hero really fell of is the Fusion Summon mechanic since going -2 everytime wasnt really good, Omni Heroes and Super Poly also helrd but not much...
If its any consolation, Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon (uses Dark Magician as Fusion Material) got banned in the OCG. So on some level, it succeeded somewhere.
Four ace monster archetypes that beat the Dark Magician archetype in terms of M.E.T.A. impact and/or Splashability for their cards over the years
• Firewall/Code Talkers
• Odd-eyes/Performapals
• Stardust/Synchron
• Utopia/Utopic
You brought up Utopia but not heroes
Ok
@@zyro7756 Okay
As an old school fan, this actually didn't upset me at all. On the contrary, I quite enjoyed this video, and it was nice to finally see a complete deep dive on the archetype. Great watch/listen, DuelLogs!
Having said that, and while I understand the parameters of these videos, I definitely don't think this archetype was meant to be used all in one deck. The name of Dark Magician's game is versatility. Although a singular deck is certainly possible, he and his archetype were custom built to be splashed, to come to the aid of others. His archetype at moment allows for him to lend himself to a Gaia deck, Red-Eyes deck, Blue-Eyes deck, BLS deck, Chaos deck, or just a straight-forward Warrior deck - and he has potential even beyond those. Another thing that gets conveniently swept under the rug here in order to direct what sometimes feels like legitimate toxicity at the Dark Magician is the fact that there exists a slew of great generic/"indirect"/non-archetypal support cards that can make his deck an absolute juggernaut, and keep the Magician recycling back to the field with terrifying efficiency. And again, I do fully understand that on this channel, archetypes are analyzed purely on their own merits/specific cards, but the DM archetype (being one of the oldest in the game) is one of the only ones in the game that actually can't be fairly analyzed like that. In any other version of the game besides world championship tournaments, he's a beast. But because he can't wipe out an opponent's entire family in the opening handshake with just his own specific cards, he's considered an embarrassingly unsuccessful flop LOL. I mean no disrespect to the channel, but I have to respectfully disagree here. Thank you for the work you put into this video, sir.
These videos are super interesting. As a casual player, thank you.
Not gonna lie though, this deck goes hard in Duel Links.
Duel Logs really attacking my boi, the Dank Magician.
Amazing video. Got me thinking how I always say archetypes like Harpies are one card away from being meta and when that card arrives is too late for the format 🤣
My friend and I have been casual players since '03. I have slowly built a DM deck with most of the cards mentioned! It's certainly not as good as some of the other decks I've made, but I love it till this day!
Also incorrect, if REF got ashed, you still cant summon that turn.
So no you arent making Anaconda that turn.
This is Yugioh’s most successful failure. This thing just won’t go away.
It's like Pokemon trying to make Pikachu something of a threat because it's been the mascot since the beginning. Those were the easiest Raid battles that would've been a bit more of a challenge if it were a Raichu instead. course the LIght ball is a thing...... (I don't even like Pikachu as much as Raichu anyway design wise)
The game would be in much better care if they in fact balanced it around dm from the beginning tbh
It's iconic. It'll forever get legacy support. We just need such support to where it's not a liability in your hand.
I will say, one of my favourite things about Dark Magician is what a good combination it is with Super Polymerization. Any Dragon, Warrior, or Spellcaster monster, (such as Dis Pater or Baronne) is food for a fusion.
It doesn't help if you can't get DM on field, and of course you have to draw the Super Poly, but it IS something DM does well.
I'm a DM player since 2001 (the video mensions Magic Formula, well, I started with Yami and Book of Secrets Arts 😅) and I have to say something, the DM archtype isnt a failed one because its not ment to win tournaments, its just ment to have fun with, just that.
Today the archtype is so wide and have so much variety that you can make a ton of creative and funny decks with it.
For example, ten years ago I used to play Summoner Monk to play Elemental Hero Prisma, send a DM to the grave and reborn it with Daigusto Emeral using the monk and prisma to summon it, and today, in Master Duel, I use the top deck manupulation of circle, illusion of chaos and soul servant to use The True Name with Slifer and the Revived Sky God.
I wont lie, back in the day I tried to actually win tournaments whit my favorite card and I did it sometimes but the deck is just not ment for that, soooo... your deck doesnt have room for hand traps? cant always end in the desireable board? cant win agais the wombo combo no sense top 0 meta deck?... THAT IS FINE!! just make the deck you want to play WITH and dont worry for the deck you play AGAINST.
This is a game guys, try have fun with it 🧙
I love Dark Magician
That Magic Formula bit was uncalled for.
True, but uncalled for.
And honestly? I expect nothing less from these videos.
This week ive mixed dm w be and its amazing how well the joint support works (dm the dragon knight plus jet dragon let alone w inperial is crazy!)
Excellent video as always. Palladium Oracle Mana was available until a Mega Tin. Only Mahad was in the Movie pack.
Getting topdecked by a yugi player running magicians magic in duel links is pure agony
I'm afraid to ask if your gonna make a video about HEROs(I say this cause this is my favorite archetype)
You know what's hilarious?
Yugi's deck was not optimal from the start. It had over 40 cards, a lot of them terrible, and didn't usually have a win condition beyond drawing Exodia or tapping into Protagonist Bullshit slash Mirror Force or very dated Magical Hat rulings.
And here we are with a deck emulating his star monster that is solely centered around one or two cards, only now the problem is so many of the cards are _so good_ we've got to run all of them, leading into yet another 40+ card deck. Only now it's a 40+ card deck that has a semi-unrealistic dream combo.
And we're getting as old as Solomon Muto, who was the deck's original creator.
If that isn't irony, I don't know what is.
This is the deck that made me want to play MasterDuel, and even though it might not be the best, it was simple enough to pick it up.
the way konami releases dark magician support trying to make the deck viable feels like adding one more lane to fix traffic
Yes we Dark Magician Fans love pain. Either from meh support or ridiculous prices 😅 💀
I do want to mention if it hasn't been mentioned yet,. Palladium Oracle Mana didn't debut in the DSOD movie pack but the 2019 mega tins for the TCG
Dark Magicians were great in Falsebound Kingdom though. The og, Girl, Arkana's Dark Magician (Dark Magician #2), and Black Chaos all have good stats, and the three guys can each initiate a combo attack with Girl to do 1000+ damage. Plus they all have night adept, and can use high level magic items
You know what Dark Magician needs? It needs a Pendulum monster or 2… Because Pendulum “Magician” monsters are their own archetype, thus Dark Magician cards would suddenly have A LOT more options going for them with the right card…
_Supreme Pharaoh Dark Magician_ (DARK)
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Pendulum Scales: 7⬅️➡️7
_Your monsters can be tribute summoned using cards in your spell/trap zones as tributes. Each time a Spell/Trap card or effect is activated, you can increase or decrease this card’s pendulum scales by 1. Once per turn, during either players turn, you can tribute 1 card from your hand or field: Add 1 card to your hand (from your deck or GY) that mentions “Magician”, “Millennium”, “Exod”, “Sarcophagus”, “Mummy”, “Sphinx”, “Pyramid”, or “Pharaoh” in its name or effects._
Spellcaster/Pendulum/Tuner/Effect
_Requires 1 less tribute to normal summon/set for each pendulum monster in your Pendulum zones. You can tribute 2 Spell/Trap cards from your hand or field (Quick Effect): Special Summon this card from your hand, GY or Pendulum Zones. Once per turn (Quick Effect) You can tribute 1 card from your hand or field (Quick Effect): Add 1 card to your hand (from your deck or GY) that mentions, “Horus”, “Gravekeeper”, “Triamid”, “Nephtys”, “Ogodoadic”, “Hieratic”, or the name of a DIVINE monster, in it’s name or effects._
ATK/2500 DEF/2100
Basically the idea is to have the card be a union of as many Egyptian themed archetypes as possible, since the OG Dark Magician is the ace card of THE main Pharaoh of the series. The Pendulum effects divide up the cards you can search for, meanwhile the other Pendulum Effects can help get any monsters you search out in the field easier (via easier tribute summons by using your spell/trap cards as tributes, or manipulation of the pendulum scales). And the monster effects make the card easier to summon/set as a monster, either by discounting its normal summon/set for each pendulum monster in your pendulum zones (which a pendulum deck would want anyway), or by letting you special summon it from your hand or GY (like if you first dumped the card there from off the field, like as discard fodder) by tributing 2 spells/traps as you would 2 monsters for a level 7+ tribute summon.
Also the name is a play on “Supreme King”, since “Pharaoh” was the equivalent rank back then, and the card lives up to its name by searching out anything remotely Egyptian related that could fit in 1 card.
with how much you see Dark Magician on Master Duel Ladder, you'd never think it was this unsuccessful
this about the tcg not master duel dark magician never topped an a major event. i dont think think hell ever make a fail cards video on blue eyes since that deck actually did top events in the past especially in 2016
lol it’s one of those bait decks that people spend all their gems on. Konami knows this
A lot of people play the game because they like the card art, the characters, or just want to challenge themselves in making their favorite deck work. There's a lot of competive heads on UA-cam that act like the ONLY cards worth playing are tournament toppers, but some of them are designed to make fun of people who play exclusively like that. Just because an archetype is inconsistent or subpar doesnt' mean people won't play it. I personally love Dinos and Dinowrestlers simply cause I love the card art. Yeah Goukis are better, yeah Dinos are weak, but I don't care if I lose playing my favorite deck. Though I actually main Gladiator beasts for a similar reason and they're fun to play.
in a best of one, your opponent simply might not have an out to Secret Village
you can rank climb with anything in master duel though. Best of one, thats just how its gonna happen
Another video i would love to see is you talking about the new yubel support
Dark Magician was my main deck for a long time when I got into master duel on release after not playing yugioh since school yard days. It really was heartbreaking realizing for myself how true a lot of the points are in this video as i branched out and built and learnt more (and better) decks.
Unfortunately, while cool as hell, the ultimate spellcaster kinda sucks which really is sad
Theduellogs Duellogs: "everyone's top waifuh, DM Girl"
me: *Laughs in Eatos!*
Not gonna lie, I'll take warrior bird girl over anime mage girl myself! Though the Harpies and Lunalight Boss monsters have their claws on my heart.
I wonder if Duel Logs might ever do a "Why D/D/D Failed" video, just to be spitefull
Shout outs to the Declan players who KO themselves because they forgot how to handle their Dark contract cards. Those were the times. XD
@@MarioMastarsuch a nostalgic feeling
didn't happen to me since exacly 4 contract have a place in my list (3 searcher 1 fuser)
not dl btw (coudn't stick around till the skip one sp nerf cause i ran out of space)
One of my favorite pranks as a Witchcrafter player is using Witchcrafter Draping on Eternal Soul since that also causes it to trigger
Dark Magician: "I went from iconic wizard to a flop...guess you can say I really 'saw’ that coming!
Every dark magician player must be imprisoned and never see the light of day
Hell no. You will pry away my three Dark Magician bricks from my cold, dead hands.
@@juanrosales7767 Hopefully not dead from a duel because three Brick Magicians in your hands really aren't gonna make it easy to survive
@@juanrosales7767 have fun going x-4 in locals
Dark magician really needs a new fusion spell card like branded fusion or red-eyes fusion that uses materials from the deck to summon.
Looking forward to this one!
Love listening to your videos!
Video: Dank Magician doesnt go burrrrrr
Description of Video: Penguins anyone??
We Triggering all the yugiboomers with this one!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Yugi zoomers are just as cringe. Just Yugi boomers are a lot easier to mock and trigger
Ya obsessed with us boomers lol. This ain’t gonna trigger none of us we’re gonna use the cards we love and we will always use the heart of the cards.
Oh no, anyway moving on to our next topic…
I did use a deck with DM as the ace monster in Duel Links, with cards that allowed me to get two tokens on the board that I could use for tributes and a monster that counted as two tributes when summoning a Dark monster, along with instant Yami at the start of the duel.
I wasn't fooled, I know it was a POC. But with my firm stance against micro transactions, it still was a halfway decent deck that still won it's share of duels. And since Yugi was my duelist, I got to see the cutscenes when I summoned it
In the last few months before I left Duel Links, I switched to another ace monster that was only slightly weaker, but was easier to summon.
Amazing analysis of the story of all DM supports, great video
I can't wait for someone to inevitably find this video that is a massive petdecker and get very offended
Ah yes, the Ursarctics event
already seeing some people claim that because it's rampant in bronze on master duel it's not failed or that because Konami purposefully makes dm and blue-eyes op every now and then on duel links it's good
not to mention it’s only bought because either their nostalgic dm fans, because it was a structure, or because they just wanted Magician’s Souls and didn’t wanna blow 90 UR CP on them
It didn't really fail if it made Konami money from nostalgia bait. Topping the tcg isn't the be all end all
Umi control/legendary fisherman is proof they can design good support for ancient archetypes. They just need to put that level of effort in more often
they need to realize dark magician is a control deck so it needs more negates in engine within archetype that is better than the generic ones dark magician cant make. design it around the good dark magician cards, dont try to make it fit all options the deck has, optimize it.
Just a correction; Mana was a 2019 Megatin promo, not from the Dark Side of Dimensions movie pack.
When you see someone playing Dark Magician or Blue eyes you just now is must be a newbie anime fan, and most times a free win.
So it hurts more when you end up losing againts them dang it! 🙃
Funny story about that. I was once playing against a blue eyes player with my vampires and I ended up taking control of his chaos Maxx and ended up beating him with his own monster. Talk about embarrassing.
I haven’t even watched the video yet, but I know for a fact that the comment section is gonna be mad toxic.
Duel logs getting tight at the inevitable comments trying to say dark magician is a good deck made my day
I feel like the dark dragoon explanation is at the same level of hisoka's bungee gum properties and the framerule explanations now xD
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