Racing Fuels: Octane Booster Makes Big HP Gains on Load bearing Dyno
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- Опубліковано 26 гру 2016
- Check out this video on Octane Booster product "Boostane" making serious power on our load bearing dyno.
0:30 Let's talk numbers
0:50 Pros and cons of product
1:09 Returnless Fuel system
1:20 Pre-mix beforehand
1:30 Needs good WOT pull to drain the fuel rails
1:55 1st WOT pull we recommend...
2:10 Now that it's mixed put your tune in with more timing
2:23 Will this product ruin my 02 sensors?
2:50 C85 does not have a long shelf life
3:00 What about cost?
3:15 Price breakout per gallon
3:23 I feel it's cost effective up to about 105 octane
4:00 Pros of product
4:30 lightweight
5:00 Cheaper than race fuel up to a point
5:10 Highly recommended for anyone with a DYNO shop
5:20 Help combat against customers that bring you in a vehicle to dyno tune with 87 octane in vehicle
6:30 Gains from using Boostane
6:38 Starting with 93 octane and a tune we got this...
7:15 We didn't change the tune file at all just added Boostane a
7:45 It had an effect on our Air Fuel Ratio
7:55 This our scan with just Boostane
8:25 We picked up 10 Horsepower
8:30 You would definitely want to retune it after adding Boostane
9:30 We didn't lose any power going back down to a safer AFR
9:57 Let's look at the numbers AFTER tuning...
10:15 When we added more timing we did see knock with our Plex Knock Monitor
10:36 At 20 degrees we did....
11:15 Maximum safe power with Boostane and a tune is...
12:00 Numbers based on Load bearing...Inertia dyno will give you false gains
12:40 Check out our video on why tune on a load bearing dyno
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Will there be more on this subject? I can't wait to learn what happened on other fuels.
what was the boostane mix
Really enjoying this series. Looking forward to the next instalment
I use it to effectively turn 93 into 98 during the hot summer weather, on my Volkswagen 1.8t with a 1.3 93 octane tune. I don't need it in cold weather
Hey guys , I have the same exact car 14 z51 makes 750rwhp , built pistons/rods,z06 injectors/hpfp, dual nozz methanol set at 4/8( safe setting ) cam and all bolt ons.. currently on a pretty conservative safe tune
Was interested in using this for roll races , probably 6-10 pulls for the night
Do you see a benefit in this ?
I'm in CA stuck with 91, c7 z07 got a tune for 91 since the factory tune is based on 93. If I start using this, say just using a full can before fill up. Do I "need" another tune?
Up here in Vancouver Canada, we have lots of people driving JDM cars, in Canada we can import 15 year old Japanese cars. Skylines, Evos, Sti, RX7s, Supras. It is very common for people to use a quarter can of boostane per tank. It turns pump 94 into 97. Its cheap too. 60 litres of 94 octane will cost me almost $120, so an extra $10-$15 for boostane per tank is pretty small. Far better option than the people that get their JDM cars detuned to run on Canadian gas.
How does this compare with the VP Octanium?? Which is better?? Thanks for the videos!!
How much boostane did you put in the tank?
Wondering if you can answer some questions? I used Torco booster, I know shame on me, 32oz per 10 gallons and my plugs turned orange. I also had issues starting the car? Does that orange come off? does it hurt anything? Did I overuse the booster? Did I harm anything internally in the motor? Lastly if I cut back on the booster can I continue to use it, I have 4 cans left!!!!!! Please let me know your thoughts?
What was the mixing ratio of 93 per gal : Boostane per oz?
Basically asking what was your estimated mixed octane?
Couple questions when it come to tuning. How much octane booster did you put in? Was it enough to being the octane rating up to 100,103, 105, etc? Secondly in your experience, if I run fuel stabilizer in my tanks (2019 ZO6) how does that affect the octane rating if the gas in both the short term and long term. Is the fuel stabilizer effectively diluting the gas?
You can email Boostane and they will give you an approximate of what is needed for your power level. Man you people that live in freezing winter climates. Yeah cost of living is less but not worth it IMHO.
I made 602/504 on my 11:1 compression ls1 , ws6 trans am on 8 pounds of boost , with only 12 degrees of timing, I did use an can of boostane premium, going be testing the professional out next trip to the dyno , I’m hoping to run 14 degrees of timing next go around
Are the HP and TQ numbers corrected? SAE or something? Because the Boostane test 1 was done 10F lower temp than the baseline. That's about 1% more HP by itself. Denser air will also make the A/F gone toward the lean side as well. And you don't show avg HP or TQ either.
What about naturally aspirated motors with fuel injection? Different maps with different ignition timing depending on octane. Wondering if it would make similar gains.
Yes you would see gains. If your car KR's with pump gas adding this will see gains. Boostane works really well where you can not only increase timing but also boost pressure.
Have you guys noticed a plug discoloration? In the past I have seen octane boosters have turned the plugs orange.
Yes it will turn your plugs orange, no change in performance. It shouldn't bother you, long term testing (100,000) saw no change in performance just orange plugs, o2 sensors and inside the turbine housing/headers.
Hi Guys, thanks for your videos and great content! I have a question : Would you suggest to run BOOSTANE with methanol injection system? Since I don't have access to race fuel or e85 where I live. Thanks!
You can order boostane race fuel at Walmart. Com
I too am curious to running both
TheTuningSchool... in your experience, is Boostane safe for long term daily use? I used it on my old car for 6 months continuously with no issues. But i sold my car and didn't do a plug change to verify condition of plugs, nor did i data log. Interested in hearing your long term experiences.
We have not seen or heard of any issues from daily use. However, we don’t use the product exactly in the way you described. If we have a race weekend will put it in all the cars, just a preventative measure against knock during the strenuous conditions of the road course. That's about as close as we get to daily use.
MTBE, NITROMETHANE or DIMETHYLCARBINATE are used to oxygenate the fuel.
To increase the Octane number, MMT or FERROCENE is used together with a halogenated hydrocarbon to avoid the formation of metal residues in the combustion chamber.
Hey TheTuningSchool. I have a new 5 gallon pail of Boostane and a almost used up pail of Torco Accelerator. I could send you 20 ounces of each, as long as you mail back the 20oz containers. Would you be able to do a test for us? Awesome channel and i wish i found you guys sooner!!!
We prefer to use fresh products in the original packaging...and is that enough???
Have you tried Aces 4?
how u guys thank this would work on a all motor car performance gains???
The results should still be very good! We use this product on naturally aspirated vehicles frequently. The big thing to remember is that this will help knock limited engines. That is to say, if you can make more power with more timing but knock is preventing you from adding that timing, then Octane Booster will help you get there. However adding timing will not always net you more power.
Question if you're tuned at 94 pump Octane and you're traveling and you can't get anything better than 91 octane is that when boostane would be a good additive?
What are you doing that requires 94 octane all the time? I don't know I actually race my car on a regular basis (two to three times a month) at the drag strip. For just an occasional blast down the highway I dunno if it's worth bothering with this just for flogging your car, you have to make that determination.
Can you mix it with race fuel,?
Great video! However, unless I missed it, I think providing prior and post boostane octane levels would be even more informative to determine how much power is made at a specific or estimated octane
Why? Try one level, if you get any KR. Increase the amount. Most new performance cars will keep making power (untuned) to about 105 octane.
Not true
Does this booster have MMT in it? If so over time it will coat the O2 wilts an orange to gold residue Could clog CATS long term as well
MBTE, MMT in the quantities needed would need a much larger can...Has never clogged converters, been testing long term several times. MBTE was in California 92 before it was banned and ethanol used to bring 87 up to 91 (E10).
Have you guys ever tried RacegasTM fuel concentrate I'm curious on how they compare.
We have not. We are open to test other products. Send us some and we'll see what we can do.
send them some
I live in California and only have 91 octane available but I want to get a 93 octane tune, will an octane booster work in this case? I know Id have to use the octane booster every time I fuel up so I'd have to buy a case of it.
Should work fine. Our # is 727-264-8875
I live in California, even at 99 octane I saw 8 degrees of advance in my Focus ST over 91. No adjustment to my tune.
You did sense knock activity in plex device and it didnt pull timing by it self?. Knock sensor inactive?.
Plex Knock detection Units
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It's a detection unit it's not attached to the PCM.
do you guys have any videos on old school naturally aspirated carburetor performance builds?
No sorry we specialize in late model fuel injection tuning.
TheTuningSchool lt1chevys?????
@@johnbeer5242 LT1 is tune port injected, it's still fuel injected dummy. That unless your talking about a '70 Camaro Z28 with the LT1 engine. In either case especially the older engine there is no leaded fuel around anymore and it's 11:1 static CR, so adding this will allow you set the timing back to where it was stock.
i would also like to see a comparison with torco. Thanks
Send us some and we'll put it in the que for testing.
No difference other than there is less MTBE in Torco, so it doesn't scale beyond 110 octane.
Can you add the product on an empty tank and then fill with 93 to get the proper mix? Or is the issue it needs to chemically link molecules for 45 minutes?
Please contact Boostane 1-888-GETS.110
TheTuningSchool, I sent them an email. How do you think BOOSTane compares to VP Q16?
Just like anything else..Get down as far as you can in the fuel tank. Put in however much Boostane/Torco Accelerator to get the octane number you want + how much 93 or 91 you put in. Do the math first however. Bootane only sells it by the case online, there is a 10% coupon however. That would get you (6) 5 gallon jugs of 100 octane unleaded. Using half a can of Torco Accelerator will get you 10 gallons of 101 octane (91 octane base). Now with all that said a car with bolt-ons, NA and all that will likely run it's best on 100 octane unleaded with a tune, you won't be able to take advantage of much more octane. My car is turbocharged (Focus ST), pushing the stock turbo to the edge of the efficiency + running some timing for added power, get as much octane as you can get. As you see with the Z06 which is super charged, there is no such thing as too much octane.
Do you guys have any octane boosters for ?????e 85
No point. e85 is already well over 100 octane.
How good will this work on a truck 2005 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT 4.7V8
If you experience KR on pump fuel, yes. You likely do...
So do you have to tune when you are using Boostane?
It is the most effective way to make good use of the boost in octane. Keep in mind, the octane itself does not add more power. It is the ability to run more lead timing.
will i see difference in my 2007 camry v6? this is expsnsive. but if anyone can confirm i want to try one case. my user manual recommends 91 octane.
Presuming your car is stock and you are already using at least the recommended 91 octane, you probably won't notice any improvement just from pouring an octane booster in the tank. However, if you have your car's ECU tuned to run on a higher octane fuel, you may see an improvement. If you want to know for sure buy a can and give it a try.
They don't seem to answer questions. So let's ask a few more. the temp from one to the other is 10 degree's different. 93 to boostane. the IAT's have 5 plus as well. So what is better the timing or the IAT's.
IAT are only impacted if there is knock because retarding the timing creates more heat in the cylinder which causes under hood temps to go up. It's Florida so ambients are going to be higher than mild later winter day in Ohio (high 50's). Water methanol is better for controlling IAT's.
hey i have a question about afr, your vette is running in the 12s at wot from what i understand? but the tune whipple sent with their kit for my dodge challenger gets in the low 10's at wot like 10.3-10.5 should i be concerned?
Not necessarily. What kind of fuel was recommended and are you running it?
Direct injection vs port injection. Di can handle/benefit from leaner afr's
my ej is port so i run 10s
Luv the series/channel. Recently found it and go's great with my coffee every morning. Gotta luv all the internet tuners (haters) that think you guys are stupid. All of them are right and you guys are wrong, ppppsssshhht!
What’s the starting octane before adding the booster, 93?
Yes.
That would be the best cost wise
@@takay_the_loko That depends.... Boosted cars (turbos) saw more power at higher concentrations with an adjustment in tune (more ignition timing, more boost). Gains would have been higher here if they could adjust the boost from say 8 psi which is the base pulley (based on the OE stock crank pulley) to 10-12 psi, gain would have been closer to 70-80 hp over 93.
A lot of the results sound similar to just running a 15-20% mix of methanol in the tank...and methanol is far cheaper. Likewise fuel tuning would need to add fuel with this. Have you tried that approach ?
We did not try that in tank method, but we have had success with using it as an additional injection.
@@TheTuningSchool would be worth doing a comparison some time. meth is cheap, and some dont trust the reliability of an additional injection system. Each do have their pros and cons though. But as an additive, it's a cheap one.
Hey guys what about Torco or RaceGas (Brand of another octane booster)
Basically the same stuff I use VP Octanium because it's at Auto Zone. Little less aggressive, 32 oz to 10 gallons of 91 octane will give you 99 octane. 64 oz to 10 gallons will give you about 102. If you put it in 5 gallon jugs as they suggest you can get over 100 octane on single 32 oz can. 5 gallon can of VP 101 cost me $68 dollars. For that I can do 5 gallons with VP Octanium and 100-101 octane for $30 less ($38).
Dude your so wrong. It raises it 80 points not 8 octane points. A point is 1/10 of a octane number so essentially turning your 93 octane to close to 94
Steven Levan 80 points is 8 octane numbers. You just said it. An octane is 1/10th of a point
@@stevenlevan9224 I have 91 bone head it's California and it's a similar product the all the others mentioned. It's just not made to scale like the others. I have run it on my 100 octane tune and I get no KR. GTX3071, Focus ST.
here in australia we have 98 octane on the pump so what is this in the american octane rating
It's a different measurement system using a completely different test. For a very rough comparison add 10 to the american MON octane rating to equal the international RON octane.
98 RON is the same as 93 here.
Will this work on a 2017 5.7l hemi with no tune?
Challenger
Octane Boosters helps to knock limited engines run more timing, allowing them to make more power. Not tuning for the Octane Booster usually will not net you more power unless you are already having severe knock retard on the stock tune.
I'd you don't tune your car to the proper octane numbers, I believe the car goes slower protecting itself by pulling timing? What do you guy's think? I put almost all the bottle in a 11 gal. Using 93 and it felt like it slowed it down. I have new plugs and coils
I’m gonna try this to see if I can bring up CA 91 a little higher just so my car won’t drive so shitty. Right now it’s either rev-hang with the factory tune (and their complex knock control) or no rev hang but -15HP across the board, because my ignition timing is so low.
Boostane chart says one can, can turn 110 gallons of 91 into 93. Not a bad deal for daily drivers.
CA 91 is like Texas 87 smdh 🤦🏽♂️
You can use it 91 to bring it up higher but I would keep adding until there is no knock, not even false knock.
How does VP fuels' Octanium compare to Boostane?
Great question! We have limited experience with Octanium and have never tested the two against each other. If you try them both out before us, let us know what you find!
@@TheTuningSchool I have a 7 hour trip to my tuner soon and I'm going to bring some. Octanium Unleaded specifically.
Octaniun is much better it’s crazy you it’s work and you would feel it🔥🔥🔥🔥
Torco really works for my 13 gt 500
are you tune your gt500 for the torco
@@emmanuelmacedo6798 Likely, but just dumping in you'll see a gain because all boosted cars will knock on the factory tune.
Did you guys try Boostane + Pump E85 ?
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that a super charger test what about a non charged add on power test??on say my v10 viper engine?
It works fine, try 105 it shouldn't knock at all.
@@dj4monie can I add this to my stock car and see power performance? And how much do I have to add. Thanks
Something worth considering is that a return less system picks up its fuel from inside the fuel pump bucket and slows down mixing time considerably.Return style systems are better but still allow time for it to mix thoroughly. Put your octane boost in before you head to the track for safety sake. Consider just running meth if your strapped to 91 or 93 which in most cases is just crap.
Have you tried using Toluene as a octane booster. It will raise the Octane by 8 points. I used it in my race engines in stead of VP race fuel. Better results and a lot cheaper.
We are happy to test it. Please send us some.
TheTuningSchool hi. I have used it s lot in my race engines as an octane booster. You can get I gallon for less than $20 us. You can buy it at any hardware store in the paint thinner section. Toluene is used in the manufacturing of gas.
andy b . How much do you use per gallon?
Depends how much Toluene you use, because some many people you need a ton of it to make a fair octane number. Define race engines, because if you have aluminum heads, hot mechanical roller, etc and say 12:1 static CR, that isn't that aggressive and bumping 93 to say 96-97 octane is likely enough.
"That makes perfect sense" 😂
Does it make power without Tunning
only if your car had detonation prior ie. "pinging" and the additive makes it go away ; otherwise little or no power gain, though in the video it did make a bit more untuned.
@@R0yL33 That depends, run your car hard on pump gas 4 times in a row in 4th gear at WOT and see if you get any knock. I bet you will, especially if it's a performance car. You'll get much more ignition advance as the adaptives in the stock PCM adjust to the new octane levels. You would have to do back to back pulls on that for the PCM to add timing. I've seen cases were just adding Boostane and no tune added power. Even on this Corvette they picked up 10 hp by just adding the stuff.
I've seen 550hp with Torco in my RS3. 500+hp without it.
can you guys test torco?
Yes please send us what you want tested. You can email me info@thetuningschool.com for more information on how to get your fuels included in the next round of testing.
TheTuningSchool im also interested in a torco test.
Matthew,
Send us some and we'll be happy to test it.
Thanks
I'll send you guys a can as long as you give me a shout out..lol
did someone send you some?
Try some ethanol 1 s in place of e85
When using motul 300v engine oil and boostane additive in the fuel it turned the oil into black sludge. Also the intake runners wer black coming out of the injectors
Bullshit
@@JB-fm4tb bullshit what? Im sorry if iv upset you. Whats your email address ill send you some pics and iv also got the test results from the lab. Wer motul dealers
DANSPEED lmao I’m not saying ur oil isn’t black sludge but that’s not boostanes fault at all seems like you have other issues with your engine
@@JB-fm4tb yea we couldnt believe it either. Long story short."keep in mind this was a high powered time attack car that is meticulously maintained and everything is data logged" the intake ports 'after' the injectors wer black aswell you can see the spray pattern. we work closely with motul and they sent samples away. Motuls answer was there was somthing in the fuell additive that was reacting with the 300v. Ok so While this was all being i pulled cam cover and sump off and it was strange the cams crank rods etc wer BLACK! The oil was still sort of golden but at bottom of pan was like a film of sludge. We wer swticking to ethanol and ever since then no black injector patterns and no sludge. Funny enough eveything stayed stained black. After i tore the engine down for preventive maintenance everything was perfect bearings the lot. It was a mystery but after checking forums and chattting to other people had come across similar problems with other additives. The pros of the boostane was that power was nearly matched to E50 over conventional 98"ron" with boostane. Cheers Dan.
So basically, the ecu adjusted the timing to gain more power because of the aggressiveness of the fuel composition.
There is no mystery then. Using 93 octane vs 97/100 octane both has its own composition characteristics.
Now, it's all about the value. 93 octane affordable and to add a few quarts of $26.00 boostane in 16 gallons of tank is not realistic or not cost effective for ordinary or majority of the people.
YOU GOT THAT BOOSTANE?
A can of BOOSTANE is like a cost of gold.
No reason to use it all the time. If you don't race then don't use it. Water-Methanol over the long term is a better investment and higher power gains. Turbocharged cars that don't have turbos too small for real gains will see huge gains over pump fuel.
i did try it on my vehicle evo x, no one HP gain, we give it another try on 5.0 and sti..... NO one HP gain.
Do you have a 100 octane tune for either of those cars? If not then don't expect to gain much by throwing it in. With another product VP Octanium I picked up 8 degrees of timing on my Focus ST over what it was on pump gas (91).
Are you nuts? You did it wrong. Start with a mixture for 100 octane. Make 3-4 hard WOT 4th gear pulls and monitor KR. You should see ignition advance increase with each pull as the PCM adjust to fuel that won't knock.
This is why I live my 19 mustang. You run this shit and you don’t need another tune, adaptive variable timing makes it so my car is pegged at 26 degrees of timing and 0 knock when I run half a bottle of this with 91. Without it I am around 18-20 degrees if timing and a little knock here and there (very low)
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it can go in your trunk, OR IN YOUR GLOVEBOX OMG
😂 tlks like mclovin😂
I try but change to JP Racing uctaniun it’s better
why the frick would u do an 11.9 a/f on direct injection? that's stupid rich. run 12.8 on my car all day, for years. so does everyone else with a turbo ecotec lnf, no knock , no problems. shit the stock tune from gm was 13 a/f at wot
isnt that a little lean? i never messed or had a direct injection but i run 11.5 afr on my supercharged g5. but maybe direct injection is different
no its not, direct injection u can go leaner , 11.5 would be way to rich on di
I think they were just going down the path of advancing timing a bit too much. They mentioned they were still seeing some knock. That tells me they should have pulled timing and leaned it out (basically what you are saying) and then fine tuned from there.
yup exactly. you turn up timing till u see knock, then u pull a few degrees too be safe. or spray meth if u want more.
No it's not lean. My Focus ST is DI as well. 12.8 is fine if your tuner is conservative then it will be in the high 11's
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This seems very much like a sponsored video
MMT is not good for modern cars.
It works fine, this is MTBE not MMT.
You said nothing con
these videos would be so much better if egos didnt clash,stop talking over eachother nonstop.
So do you have to tune when you are using Boostane?
You don't HAVE too. I've seen it tested without tuning and gains are significant. (15-20 hp). It depends if your car has adaptives built-in. Boosted cars from the factory tend to. My Focus ST has octane adaptives stock, it will increase power based on Octane. Basically any reading higher than I think .9 in octane is max timing.