Isiah Thomas was surprised by Michael Jordan's comments in The Last Dance | Draymond Green Show
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- Опубліковано 12 бер 2024
- Pistons legend Isiah Thomas explains how he reacted when he watched Michael Jordan’s ‘The Last Dance’ including cringing at the treatment of Jerry Krause, being shocked at how MJ felt about him, and more.
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Isiah really was a rags to riches story. One of the best.
Second best out of Chicago after D Rose
@@GreenleeKennel nah you never watched zeke then. I think zeke was better. Young drose was nice though. go watch zeke on one ankle in the finals getting BUCKETS on the lakers.
@@GreenleeKennel 🤔😬😄😃😁😆😅🤣😂🙃. A comedian.
Let me have some of that @@GreenleeKennel
Isiah has over time become my favorite NBA storyteller. He is poetry with brass knuckles. I love when he roasts fellow players giving low fives and that great laugh. Him and Dray are cut from the same cloth more than people realize.
Im a huge MJ fan but the way he treated Jerry Krause was too much. I mean i know Jerry had his own issues. Jordan held a undercover grudge against Isaiah
Vince told a different story
He didn't say that Isiah didn't suggest it to him. Until he says that, there's no contradiction between what either of them says about it.
@@erfbgu2643 what the hell are you talking about
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hu Sad that grown men worship other men smh
@@erfbgu2643 yeah you worship Isiah haha
The thing that Isiah is intentionally leaving out is how far Krause went to discredit the players. That's why the players disrespected him. Krause created that kind of environment because he couldn't get over his insecurities.
As for Vince not wanting to give his spot to MJ at the 03 All star game, Vince maintains that he always intended to give his spot to MJ.
As for MJ, he made it clear in the doc that he thought Isiah was an asshole back when he was playing. So I think Isiah should have listened a little better.
Jordan was an asshole to I saw him when he came to New Orleans. Poor Kwame Brown was his target he cursed that man out like a dog. My husband told me he was that way but I didn’t believe him until I saw for myself.
Regardless, he drafted him and put some pretty damn good players around him that helped him get those championships, not to mention the man is deceased. He made him out to be this evil maniacal devil that did nothing but bring hell to everyone, all he did was selfishly want the credit for the championships and success of the franchise he owned and put pieces together to get that success. I don’t agree with how he moved either but it wasn’t that damn egregious plus the man isn’t even alive to tell his side and it’s wrong to do that someone who is dead and a man that did all that he did for MJ. You seen how bulls fans boo’d the man for it and 95% if not more weren’t even alive for that. Thats why doing that is terrible. Regardless of how you felt about him, he did a hell of a job for that franchise and it’s be respected.
@@Poppa417They never took any credit away from Krause. They just didn't like or respect him because of the way he acted. Also MJ and the Bulls players problems with Krause isn't some unknown secret. The beef was well documented for years, as far back as when the team was still in operation. Horace Grant partly left because he didn't feel respected by the team. Part of the reason Pippen wanted out, was for the same reason until MJ came out of retirement and changed Pippen's mind. There are plenty of Bulls documentaries, that MJ had nothing to do with, that came out in the early 2000s when Krause was alive, that document this beef and said the same exact thing as MJ's documentary. He had plenty of years to defend himself. Nobody has never discredited Krause by saying he had nothing to do with those Bulls championships. He's always gotten credit. Problem is much like Pippen has become in recent years he was jealous of all the attention and credit MJ got for the teams success and ultimately his jealousy is what broke up the team. He couldn't wait to get MJ out of there to show everyone he could build another great dynasty without MJ, and he failed. MJ didn't need to try and take more credit in his documentary when fact of the matter is he has always gotten the bulk of the credit for that teams successes for years.
The only thing I will agree with you about is how those Bulls fans acted earlier this year at the Bulls Ring of Honor ceremony. His wife didn't deserve that and Krause deserved more respect than that for the simple fact that he is deceased. But it's important to know that Krause has been getting booed for years even when the Bulls were winning championships and MJ was not publicly disrespecting him back then. So we can't just blame the documentary for those boos when it has been happening for years before it.
@@Poppa417 Rod Thorn drafted him, not Krause
@@Poppa417 Krause didn't make those players work, Jordan did
Ion see how you don’t know he doesn’t f**k with you I call cap
Why you say that?
.... you calling "cap" on people being fake? ...lmao smh
Didn't Jordan say he wasn't going to play in the 92 Dream Team if Isaiah Thomas was to play? So how does Thomas Not NO MJ dt f_ck wt him 🤔
that was scottie beef with isaiah. michael was just supporting his teammate, there was no hate then at least not in the open @@Y.O.-le5tk
@@Y.O.-le5tk exactly
With all due respect to the OG, he’s overly pressed about the doc but it was an incredible documentary. There are a million tapes housed in the NBA archives chronicling championship teams across the league. This is just another version of the experiences from Mike’s perspective.
Gotta give it to MJ not speaking out ever.
Everybody keeps telling Isiah to "let it go," and that he "can't stop talking about MJ." Does NOBODY realize that in every instance, he is ASKED about MJ? Y'all act like the interviewers say "Hey Zeke how's the family?" And Isiah says "Man I didn't really know Jordan hated me that much." That's not even remotely what happens on these podcasts. What is he supposed to do? Next time someone brings it up just say "Hey man. I would answer your question but people on UA-cam are gonna clown me for it so I better not." That don't even sound right.
I remember hearing this before all star game that Vince didnt want to give his spot
I remember that too. Really Jordan really shouldn't have been an all star. But Vince was socially forced to give his spot up. He really had no choice but to do it
@@sholovesholove4620Jordan earned it being his farewell season and Carter was voted in by the fans when he didnt play enough games to really achieve it. Funny how you dont mention that
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hutbf…it still was his spot
@@kaekae1782 no it wasnt
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-ii5hu You don't "earn" an all star because of what you did 4 years prior. You earn it by being the best amongst the 150 that are playing IN THAT SEASON. If lebron james averaged 17 points and folks made him an all star, your head would explode with anger. Dr. J still "deserved" to be an all star in 88 if we're going by your logic
Didn't like Mike taking over Chicago😅
He's like 60 still in his feelings. 😂😅
Naw he’s not kissing MJ behind like most….GOAT JAMES
Y’all really do repeat what yall hear other people say like yall thought it smh. Should’ve just added Charles Oakley’s name with quotations and a dash
he smoked chicago and mj in back to back to back years. he 3peated beating mj.
@youngerudit2524 And every time he went home, all he heard was... MJ, MJ!!!
🤣🤣🤣
I agree with the Jerry Krause disrespect. It was sooooo bad.
So awsome Lakers beat the Pistons in the finals 1988. Big game James Worthy!!
I get the feeling like IT used to be a dawg in his day. Not just in basketball
Gotta get them clicks!!
You can go 82-0 and you still will not be the coach of the bulls next year. That's all i needed to hear to know about a person.
Did you also pay attention to the fact that Mike and Scotty and the coach would disrespect Jerry Krause?
Are you telling me that you would allow people to disrespect you just because you guys were winning a game?
@@dataunreadable2437 I don't understand what you're saying. Jerry Krause said to Coach Phil that he can go 82-0 and still won't coach the bulls the following year because J. Krause wanted all the glory for himself and once the bulls found that out Mike and Pippen (especially after Pippen bad contract) went off on Jerry Krause.
@@dataunreadable2437 no one likes Krause so get over yourself
@@shortcut2gamepart-timegame878 Jerry Krause didn't cut the checks. Reinsdorf didn't want to pay all those free agents, Phil included. That's why the team broke up.
The rebuild was about building another contender that was COST EFFECTIVE. The Bulls have never paid top dollar for talent.
@@iampioneer81 "building another contender that was cost effective". And when did that happen smart guy?
Mme I was a10 yr old boy when Pistons walked 📴 the court when the game was still going on 😂@Da Bulls 😢
I've been watching the game since the 50s. Isiah and Steph Curry are my favorite guards! Oh yeah, I loved Magic but he was a different animal. I loved Jason K. Steve and John.
Damnn how was it in the 50s would like to hear your input
I’m confused, cause on ESCNN (formerly known as espn) Isaiah Thomas was asked a question from SAS about some comments MJ made about the Pistons being “bad for basketball and didn’t earn their championships” Isaiah Thomas said that was the reason for them not shaking hands with the Bulls players. But now he then changed his entire story and all people gotta do is go watch the interview that Isaiah Thomas did with SAS, Max Kellerman, and Molly. Charles Oakley was right about you Zeke smh.
Believe me alot of former players and even his own teammates cringed when they watched that self promotion of air jordans greatness film 🎥
Green shaking his head like babuhead agree everything he say
Jordan don't like Zek cause he got the best of him facts 💯
The Bulls didn't pay their players. They were the least paid under contract in the league including Jordan.
MJ is living his Best life, while Zeke has Jordan living rent free in his head.😂
Draymond just asked Zeke about it! Be mad at him.
@@envyops Zeke is always talking about Jordan. You hardly ever hear him talking about Zeke.
@@cestlavie5713 No one would be asking Zeke about this everywhere he shows up if that GOAT didn't talk crazy on the most-watched program that year.
They ASKED HIM
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That's not the story Vince told
Heavy
These grown men remind me of overgrown high schoolers
Isaiah I can respect you from always been a stand-up guy and always been respectful to Michael Jordan and not talking greasy about him or the boys but I got to say you and Bill laimbeer plotted not to shak the Chicago bulls hands that's what you said Bill laimbeer told you
Even I knew that for 32 yrs lol
IT being IT 😂😂
EVERY TIME U BEAT MJ HE SHOOK YOUR HANDS ON THE COURT
let it go
Lol!!! Everytime I see an Isiah interview and he gets a chance to talk about his favourite subject, I immediately think of All the Smoke episode with Charles Oakley. 😂😂😂
Zeke never really got to enjoy his greatness , or being a champion outside that moment of winning it. And its not like he's increasing his fanbase by doing this. Add to that the fact that MJ isn't showing much interest in this so called beef. Give it a rest Zeke... Your greatness on the court isn't compromised in any way by what MJ or any of us think of you.
I'm with Isaiah Thomas but there is one thing I'm confused about. He has given two different stories as to why they didn't shake the Bulls' hands. He said because they were bad mouthing them in the media calling them bad champions and bad for the game, and then he says it was done because that is the way the torch was passed. I would like to know which of these two reasons was the true motivating factor.
I think he’s lying about the handshake, everything else makes sense though.
@@perrymorgan6092 I think his first answer was more of the truth about them being upset with what the Bulls players said about them in the media, which who would want to shake their hands after that.
His first answer was Bill Lambier came up with the idea.
I don't think he actually told two separate stories I think he just added context. He said Bill and beer probably had an idea that they were disrespectful about them being champions and they were bad for the league. They didn't plan on shaking their hand after the game however it wasn't like it was out of the ordinary to not shake hands after the game considering what the Boston Celtics did to them a couple years prior
@@safkaldam8905 yes he did, and the reason was because of what the Bulls were saying about them in the media.
Heaters 😂😅
Zeke should grow up and stop being salty.
So why did Isiah walk pass the Bulls bench with his head down & smirk on his face, he knew what he was doing. MJ shook their hands when they were getting rolled by the pistons!
No self awareness. A man's whose mission was that he and his teammates made it a point to intentionally hurt a man for trying to make a bucket. You left him bloody and are shocked he thinks you are an AW. The Chicago fans rightly hate Jerry K.
I'm wondering if I watched the same doc IT watched. Then he said NBA finals. Yall ain't play the Bulls in the NBA finals
Then he didn't say they went in the locker room afterwards. IT full of shit 🤣🤣🤣 just say you hate Jordan
Ok so why didn’t the Detroit Pistons go in the Bulls locker room and shake hands and congratulate the Bulls?! Exactly, because the Pistons were a bunch of thugs led by Isiah. All of them were goons except for Joe Dumars and John Salley who were class acts!
Can you not cringe listening to Drake's music when you find out that he hides behind a white guy after oppressing the people he chooses to oppress? MJ did pave the way for lucrative shoe deals based on his basketball achievements back when being Black was even less ok than it currently is which is hard to imagine...
The fucking ads in the middle of the videos are so fucking annoying.
It couldn’t have been more cringy then watching him walking off the court before the game was over in 91 with his head in between his legs.
Isiah looks great. A lot of former players let themselves go and become fat.
Isiah been jealous of MJ since the 84 Olympic Games, MJ swept the NBA All Stars in those game (I.T. was playing) His college coach Bobby Knight called MJ the 🐐 during those Olympic Games. I.T. hated the fact that he wasn’t chosen by the Bulls when he was drafted in 81. Once MJ touched down in Chicago, a week later he took over his city and IT became an afterthought, his own nephew loved MJ. Isiah is so two faced, he himself Called MJ the Goat in the 80s on Arsenio Hall show and they played on multiple summer charity games together pre and post snubbed handshake. His mouth kept him off the Dream Team, in 91 he was going around telling people Magic was Gay bc of HIV and he and Rodman were telling reporters Bird was only seen as a great player bc he was White. NOBODY wanted him that team, including his own Head coach Chuck, bc I.T. had such a bad attitude. In 2003 Him and MJ hung out with each other and took pictures. Isiah has been holding on to a situation he caused himself. MJ specifically said in that moment G4 ECF 1991 when he and Lambeer and Salley snubbed him he hated him for that but he never discounted the player he was only his character in that moment. Joe Dumars showed the upmost class.
You are just speculating what the media told you you have no proof of that. Isaiah has a long track record of helping people and former players around the NBA. Documented.
@@dataunreadable2437 How is it speculation when He and Magic didn’t speak to each other for almost 20 years bc of Isiah said, when Magic apologized to him also for not wanting him on the Dream Team
Quit crying bout Jordan he never say anything about you. Your coach picked Jordan to the dream team and not you. Get over it already
If I'm a player and Jerry says GMs win championships, he gets zero respect, I'm sorry.
you dont know how it works though. think it like this, a company. the owner, manager, supervisor, employee even janitors play a role. everybody deserve a credit for the award especially if its hard to get. do you think you can live without the other. think again.
@@selflove9315 hell naw the workers make the Job not the Bosses, hell naw
@selflove9315 yeah you can cause you're doing the work. Think again
Krause said organizations win championships. He did a tremendous job and wanted credit, as well.
@@envyops He can get credit for the role he plays, for him to equate his contribution to the rock star is where it went wrong, they can play without him...he ain't managing shit without them.
Isiah still hating on Jordan till this day. Get over it bro. MJ is the greatest player ever. Once his Pistons got swept by the bulls he was bitter. Snake ass.
IT is real af
I’m biggest fan of Isaiah I’m biggest fan Detroit cause of Isaiah he’s my favorite player ever and Magic but I’m not fan of Michael Jordan I’m not i don’t like them ever n
Till now
Shutup
That damn bald michael jordan
No disrespect Dray but nobody cares about Isaiah’s feelings… that man did a lot of behind the scenes snake ish to MJ n mj still didn’t let it all be known…. Yall can’t change my mind about mj so please stop trying.
Didn't he blame Jordan for being left off the 92 dream team? He's lying..
I’m sure Jordan’s input had a major influence over the final decision but half the team didn’t like this mfer
@@suntansuperman26 one player's influence doesnt make a difference
Isaiah said that it was the first time him peeping behind the opponent's curtain. That was a lie because he said when the lakers were winning championship. He used to go in the locker room....
He is talking about the behind-the-scenes relstionship dynamics of his opponents. Going into a locker room where his opponents are celebrating a championship is not what he is talking about.
That's not even the same thing 😂
@@terranceburrs5832 magic Johnson is his best friend. .he kno magic better than Kevin
@@GEECHIE_LYFE_SPORTZ_TAWK again, that's not what he is talking about. I know you have common sense. Isaiah did not play for the Lakers, so he did not see the day to day operations with that franchise, how those guys got along or didn't get along, etc. Being best friend's with Magic has nothing to do with what he is talking about.
@@terranceburrs5832 OK....WHAT DID MJ SAY SO BAD THAT I.T. RUNNING ROUND HERE CRYING?????,
Still making excuses after all this years 🤣🤣🤦🏽♂️
Mj fake for that 💯💯 I'm the type dat if I don't fwu ima let u know it
Jordan never kept that secret tho. People acting as if what he said in The Last Dance was brand new information, it wasn’t. Guess everyone in the whole world knew Jordan didn’t like Isaiah except for Isaiah apparently
at the end of the day, if someone doesn't like you, then that should be it. Move forward instead of caring too much of that. MJ doesn't care. Zeke is just a crybaby.
like it or not isiah is one of the only guys if not the only who has the credentials to go at mike . he always stands on what he believes , unlike mike . a lot y’all too 🍆 bent behind mike y’all don’t like to see anyone challenge him . isiah beat all the legends including mike
We get it you don't like Jordan.
Dray nothing but love, but come on, why you let Thomas say that shit? Got #4 with out KD.
Let him?
You mean 3
Two MJ haters lol
Lol soon as you speak about M.J you a hater. God bless y’all
@@holahovito13MJ threw dirt on Zekes name and lied about it for decades. Yet he’s a MJ hater? Gtfoh.
@@redclxxd5974 I never called zeke a hater I’m saying what you’re saying brother.
Listen MJ is GOAT as a basketball player off the court not as much
@@taniamarie2486no one cares about off the court smooth brain so cope
Isiah couldn’t fight but he was one of the greatest players ever.
Ray Williams chumped him.