7 Minutes of Pure Facts and Logic At Immigration Debate - Konstantin Kisin
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Sorry, Konstantin. Your version of 'far right' does not encompass what is considered far right.
From your own Twitter/X feed.
"What "far right" means:
- racism and intolerance towards other religious groups
- prejudice against sexual minorities
- subjugation of women
- use of and incitement to violence"
That's from a tweet 11:42 PM · Nov 10, 2023
That's a fucking FAR cry from the definition you used here. If you're going to argue, argue from consistency. Not from what's convenient/valid for your argument, at the time.
I agree with some of your your premises and arguments in the debate, but HATE inconsistency in those that call it out in others. By your very definition and one of your arguments about integration/assimilation your version of far right "- racism and intolerance towards other religious groups" fits EXACTLY into the far right category.
You don't want certain religious groups because they don't assimilate/integrate. By your own definition, your argument is far right. You're intolerant because they don't assimilate/integrate. Your argument would fit well into 1930's Germany. "Because they don't think/look like us, they aren't welcome." Jews were the same in Germany, they had their own 'enclaves' and didn't mix in society, just as Jews today live in Highgate and Hampstead. Not out in the 'suburbs'.
I sincerely agree
With every word.
@evanroberts2771 Typical middle class novara viewer.
Ypu are described perfectly in Paul Emburys book Despised, Why the modern left despise the working class.
It describes you are your like perfectly we don't want your nightmare and don't you hate us for defying you the Anointed
Konstantin Kisin, please become an MP, I would vote for you.
They'd take him into a Secret Room and read him The Rules
Yes, actually. I'd second that. Never occurred to me and I don't think he wants it, but he's got my support. 100%
He's said that he doesnt really want to do this. So this is all the politics youre gonna get out of him (which is more than sufficient)
He needs more than just himself, he needs a power block in parliament.
oh ffs people, yet another erstwhile comedian running a country? yes, K has facts and K has opinions and K knows his adverbs but cool them jets peeps. this is exactly your problem: you have time and again chosen the kind of government you deserve, alas. i guess, for you Brits, voting is emoting. i take that back, some of your former prime ministers had not been elected by you. stop thinking like subjects and try a little citizenry. follow K to the library, get 'informed' and pumped on facts, it's all out there... then you too can stop talking nonsense. you don't need to find a rockstar robin hood, you need to elect a statesman. can you do that?
And he's right about the 'far right' labels which are totally inappropriate and disgusting.
If it wasn't for these type of lies and deceptions being so emotionally terrorizingly effective, the left would not be gaining the power it has. Same with the national socialists and other totalitarian regimes.
No he‘s utterly wrong. Far right means nothing but ultra conservative.
This whole BS of right being Nazi was invented right after WWII to distance the international socialists from the national socialists - both of which are left wing lunatics… 🤗
And the Left get Labeled Socialist or Commie. Not even far left just the left in general…. The World is turning Brown. You will be OK….
Every word spoken is like a breath of fresh air. I want my country back!
True but have been hearing similar words from western politicians for ten years. Words are not enough. Alta non verba.
Lmao your country has gone nowhere
@@ak1342able It has. It has gone rapidly down hill and is quicly becoming a third world Islamic State.
@@saucyrossy3698 Left wing polices have all but destroyed the UK. We need real political change here and in the West.
It's all too late. Best thing to do is to get out of the Country, it is never coming back with the spineless people that are currently in charge and the next lot that will be in charge of this Country. Government bowing down to shouty people and some Twitter comments. Pathetic.
As an Indian origin guy, who supports the British people and British values, I will say this over and over again. Mass immigration, does not HELP you! It does not. Wake up, Brits.
we're awake - but our politicians are bought and paid for.
What is an “Indian origin guy” ? You mean you are an Indian born guy or am
I missing some deeper meaning ?
@AspiringSpaceWizard that sounds like it's lost in translation, dude. I wouldn't obsess too much on the wording. But OP speaks much sense.
@@AspiringSpaceWizard: Born in India. Immigrated legally to the US in 2014 for college. Currently living in Florida.
It’s too late.
My Taiwanese partner spend thousands of euros to migrate to Belgium legally and become an integral part of Belgium's economy and integrate into their culture. Every person who has LEGALLY emigrated must be horrified at what we see now, governments around the world basically bankrupting their countries to finance illegal immigration. Konstantine is 100% correct that controls should be put back into place to control legal immigration and stop illegal immigration immediately. And to anyone who thinks this is a 'far right' stance proves beyond any contestation of how far western societies have regressed. The so called progressives are taking the rest of us kicking and screaming back to medieval times all while calling us the barbarians and knuckle draggers 😠
Do you know that russian are putting label "nazi" to people they want to destroy, politically or physically?
It is typical manipulation tactic, and it can end very badly when society tolerates this type of labeling.
I don't disagree with you, but you hit the nail on the head in a way I don't think you meant to. Your partner had a long and arduous process to emigrate legally, do you have any idea how hard it is to become a British citizen? Or an American one? There ARE controls. But the thing with illegal immigration is they're doing it illegally. I think we should have much stricter and potent deportation laws but the fact of the matter is the controls ARE there and actually get harder but that only punishes the law abiding.
@@TheAcad3micI have heard stories of ppl who moved over legally got their citizenship turned down because they had 3 points deducted from their driver license
The societies are not regressing, they have just been infected with a far leftism virus that is proving very difficult to cure, because we are giving far too much credance to the views of the young...
@@vinniechanyes it's true it can be very difficult to get even a visitor visa this is part of the reason people are trying to get in illegally because it looks easier 😮😮😮
Two blokes on the left talk more common sense than anybody else I've heard
They are on the right, the left has two pussycat.
fortunately in this clip we were saved the bile from the other two.
Indeed. I'm sick of hearing the term 'Far Right'.
There is a Far Left, too - and in the US, the Far Left has captured and is steamrolling old left into oblivion.
@@rewdwarf123 I've long noticed how media is always talking about a "far right" politician, yet for some odd reason, they never describe a politician as "far left". Because nobody can ever be too far to the left in their opinion.
It's about time Reform made an offer to Konstantin.......I would vote for him in a heartbeat.
Hey would they do something positive like that? They’re gatekeepers stopping real patriots getting in.
Not if they are in league with the hope not hate team I would not vote for reform
@@coletteellerton1840 Explain?
@@awm1527 I believe this person is referring to the fact that Reform kicked Beau Dade out of the party for saying "immigrants should be sent back to their country of origin” or something along those lines.
EDIT: to add a bit more context, I think it's specifically triggered by a "hit piece" from Hope Not Hate about Beau. My apologies if I'm missing other details, I haven't followed this closely yet.
@@Mysterious-Stranger he said that foreign criminals should be returned to their country of origin, exactly as the Reform party has in their manifesto. The "reason" he was deselected was because of a joke he made about Scotland, he joked that Scotland's main exports were IrnBru and smack, it just coincidentally happened within hours of Reform being given the hit piece by Hope Not Hate. BTW he is not the only one, just the most well known, to have been either deselected or kicked out of the party since Hope Not Hate actively started smearing members and candidates of Reform.
it is called illegal for a reason.......
Absolutely. My home town and the city nearest have been changed beyond all recognition in the last 20 years. It has gone from 5% minorties to a clear majority of people coming from predominantly Muslim countries. There is no attempt to become British at all with most of them speaking other languages and wearing clothes more common in the Middle East and Pakistan. The moment there is any sort of conflict or internal struggle, there will be millions of people inside our borders that want to take our systems down. We have invited a future civil war. And why? So we can pay migrants less to do work our people would be doing if we didn't throw benefits at them for having a bad back or depression?!
Yes, the taxpayers are paying Amazons wages 😂😂. And they all think they’re getting cheap products
Everyone who gets working tax credit is taking taxpayers money because for some reason Amazon Asda etc get taxpayers money to subsidise there wage bill if you can't afford to pay them right don't employ them
Same here exactly. Every time one of my elderly neighbours die they move in a family of Romanians, easily outnumbered 10-1 in my street
The house next door to my MP's house has just had a large family of Middle Eastern people move in next door. The only working person in the family is a taxi driver and wears clothing you'd usually find in Pakistan. I'm confused. 1st generation immigrants from a country that is nothing whatsoever like ours can buy a posh house on a driver's salary? Everyone I know is struggling to make rent!
But that view is 'far right' according to Konstantin. Not the convenient term he gave here, but what he put on Twitter/X.
"What "far right" means:
- racism and intolerance towards other religious groups
- prejudice against sexual minorities
- subjugation of women
- use of and incitement to violence"
That's from a tweet 11:42 PM · Nov 10, 2023
"- racism and intolerance towards other religious groups". INTOLERANCE. Doesn't matter the reason. INTOLERANCE.
By his own definition, it makes both you and he are far right/liars/and or hypocrites. So, do we judge Konstantin by his words, or by his words????? Which words? Which version that's convenient depending on who/where he's arguing?
His argument here is that some people shouldn't come in because of their religion. Konstantin doesn't mind immigration, as long as they're white and have the same values. "Uncontrolled" immigration is where he lumps the Muslims.
Brilliant. Pure common sense. THANK YOU Konstantin.
Exactly the reason there's a war on common sense, reason, ability, and even being normal.
Kisin. From comedian to political commentator. Please go the next step. Politics. Please stand. You will get voted in. Please make a difference. We are behind you.
We have a 94 year old relative who lives with us who is currently in a care home after a fall. We went to see her yesterday and met a young Hong Kong lad who is studying health and social care at Lincoln University. He was telling us how lucky he is to be in England studying and how he hopes to become a British Citizen and work in the NHS. I didn't realise but in Hong Kong they give their children British names , as well as their Chinese names in the hope that one day their children can come to the UK and become British. Calum told us how hard his dad found it having be brought up in Colonial Hong Kong, with all its freedoms that gave him , and now having to live under Chinees rule. Calum said I am so lucky to be here and love living in England. Calum is the sort of immigrant we want, not people who march in support of terrorist and refuse to integrate and expect England to change for them. I welcome Calum and hope his dream of becoming British comes true.
Chinese in ex-British colonies tend to have English names because of convenience with the ruling class during the colonial times, this is true for Hong Kong, Malaysia & Singapore as well. Not quite because our parents wanted us to migrate to Britain or anything lol. Great story and I hope you will continue to support Hong Kongers!
@@ariellau9170 I can only report it as he told me, but as he is only 21, so was born after Chinese taking back Hong Kong, there would be no reason for his father to do it other than what Calum told me. But yes I can see your point.
Considering Triggernometry's impact on UA-cam and, let's face it, modern culture as a whole, I'm surprised they don't already have a million subscribers.
On average their subscribers are engaging with the content (commenting, thumbs ups, etc), far more than some other channels with many millions, so there are many fewer bot subscriptions I think. Also, while they've been going out to America and interviewing people over there, their subscribers have picked up a bit, but I still don't think there too big with the American audience at the moment, and that's where a lot of subscribers tend to come from - particularly Americans below the age of 25.
Yes
Big tech suppresses the real numbers of conservative voices, and unsubscribe followers without their knowledge, this has been going on for years now
UA-cam also has a habit of unsubscribing people from UA-camrs they don't like and I imagine Triggernometry falls into that category.
@@fibanocci314 funnily I wrote the same earlier but in my feed it shows that UA-cam removed my comment 😂
class act that Kisin
Konstantin is a treasure. Always gets it so right.He is humble but so wise!
A lot of "inconvenient" truth being said in this video! Thanks, Konstantin!!!...
@2:08 -- Last I checked, Australia is WAYYYYY BIGGER than Britain and Ireland put together yet as Konstantin said the Aussies managed to drop the number of illegal boats down to 74 people, AND EVERYONE KNOWS Britain's history of dominating the seas .... so don't tell me that Britain cannot do anything to stop or minimize the illegal boats from "arriving on British shores," that is absolute bollocks
They simply need to enforce the law and put people who try to enter illegally in jail. The small boats would stop very quickly once word gets out that they would get sent to jail...
Because are hopeless politicians betray us. Our navy is now tiny and couldn't do it.
Yes
whats this got do with reducing immigration , the point is Australia have a deterrent and a government that did something about illegal immigration UK gov need to do the same
The solution is simple - illegal immigrant will be deported back to country he came from, will never get a citizenship or visa.
Very simple solution. It is also fine to put illegal immigrants to some period (3-6 months) of physical labor as way to subsidise the whole project and extra punishment.
You, sir, are a national treasure. Exactly what good immigration looks like. Bravo.
Legal immigrant to the UK here. Outraged that people think it's okay for people to skip the queue and skip the effort that coming legally requires. Then be given housing, clothing, food etc. And then somehow be encouraged to present as VICTIMS!
Bloke talks pure sense.
what 'bloke' is that ?
@@simonclare-fu7sx try to work it out, Simon 💡
@@paulhammal7231 😂😂 you can't tell me then ? not a Murray fan ?
I almost cheered when he talked about the abuse of the term "far right". I'm tired of hearing it, and it's no different than claiming that your enemies are Nazis. The media needs to stop using it. Having a different opinion is not the same as being a Nazi.
When common sense is labeled 'far right"
Konstantin. You're an absolute star.
Konstantin is superb, well done sir!
Brilliant but Westminster believes in the opposite of everything that wonderful KK and MG are saying
Politicians are so out of touch
@@fanfeck2844they know exactly what they’re doing. Most people only voted brexit to stop immigration and it was just a way for them to see how many people would be trouble for them.
@@fanfeck2844They’re perfectly in touch - with WEF ideology!!
Sadly you are correct!
Very well, said . im irish and our political elite call anyone with a opposing view far right . Im disgusted with lack of leadership. 🙏
"If this was a debate about the Conservatives being useless,"
"We'd all be on the same side."
"Because everybody agrees now:"
"That countries need borders."
Suck ass democrats
They are pretty much all the same no matter what colour.
I am also a legal immigrant where I live now. Took me a decade from chosen immigration to becoming a citizen.
I totally agree with all these points.
Absolutely agree on the far right comment. I consider myself an old school liberal but today I’m not. Liberalism has shifted and today I’m labelled far right because I believe in freedom for all and for not shutting down opinion and viewpoints that I may not agree with.
Uncommon common sense
These days "far right" just translates to "anyone the left disagrees with"
@6 min Konstantin stated quite rightly that the likes of Humza Yussef, David Lammy et al should be ashamed of themselves. This is not possible, as well you know, these people are totally free of any kind of shame. Regards etc etc
I get Goosebumps when I hear Konstantin spill the truth...it's just so refreshing. And to see the look of perplexity on the oppositions face.. puts a smile on mine. : )
Thank fuck for people like Konstantin
Incredibly well said. 100% agree with everything you said. Everyone I know and speak to feel the same way
Well said, Kristin. Thank u for speaking the truth.
Imagine Douglas Murray joining in alongside Konstantin
And Ben Habib, Suella, Nigel Farage…
Everything Mr. Kisin said is BASIC common sense!
Konstantin ! A true British patriot ! 🇬🇧
This guy is a Russian
He’s just making a name for himself.
@joey-pn3xe... You are free to think that.
Especially since you have the ability to know the thoughts and intents of his heart. 🙄
Complete agreement, good sir.
Well said.
Yep, totally agree, been saying all of this for years.
100% correct. Am glad this debate is now coming to the foreground.
Konstantin is right I would rather have Chinese than what we get now.
1.4 billion Chinese. Even if every single one was productive we can't take them, Not the top 10% ~140 million, not even the top 1% ~ 14 million. India has another 1.4 billion people. We just can't take this number of people productive or not. Our population is a whisker under 70 million. It's not a safe number for a country this small when taking a longer term view about food security, cultural and ethnic homogeneity has value in future scenarioss where there may be economic or even worse types of distress. We are setting up fracture lines in our society. Britain struggled to feed itself post WW2 until the mid fifties when rations ended with a population of ~50 million.
Hear bloody Hear!
Here here ;)
I am a Romanian immigrant, I worked my ass off to get an education, learn the language and go to work each day to be able to pay the bills and feed my children. Meanwhile, other immigrants live on social welfare while not even bothering to become a part of society, and come in without even the most basic background check. Neighborhoods that used to be quiet now have roaming gangs of middle eastern teenagers and the police does not do anything. A young boy has been stabbed 140 (yes, a hundred and forty) times not long ago, and there is an epidemic of drugs and prescription medication flooding the streets. This has to stop.
👍
Population replacement is the goal .
I don't buy that. For some I bet, but I believe more in blind stupidity and arrogance.
Precisely...
That's conspiracy theory nonsense. In order for replacement to happen the indigenous people would have to leave. Do you see that happening at a sufficient scale? No.
@@speggeri90 The WEF want open borders read what they say
Stop listening to conspiracy siloes. It's not convoluted racial schemes, it's "Follow the money." That's it. It's always that simple.
If you are a rich man who can get richer hiring poor people with no social net to work for you, then you will always want more of those people. You don't care about what the cities look like in 10 years because you will never go there; you will be going to private island resorts on your private jet.
Mass immigration is extreme capitalism.
Corporations want cheap labour and extra customers.
-> This requires promoting mass immigration.
--> This requires promoting multiculturalism.
---> This requires promoting "diversity" as a moral imperative, and demonizing nativism and localism.
We are not human beings to them, just interchangeable economic inputs. People can complain about the "radical left" and "cultural marxists" all they want, but this has virtually nothing to do with any traditional Left-versus-Right polarity.
The truth is "Globalism" and "Wokeness" is extreme crony capitalism in a cheap tuxedo.
It's possible for two different agendas to utilize the same methods to attain their goals. The aims of globalism and "woke" (the useful idiots) are different but mass migration serves both their aims. The aim of globalism is, as you say, but not just for money. These "elites" also have overinflated egos and believe they can run the world better than everyone else.divide and conquer. The other side also wants social destabilization/divide and conquer, because happy, content people don't want a social revolution.
I must be extremely unpopular with the algorithm. Can't get a word in edgeways...
“Markets”
Perfect comment , you got idiots raging about it already 😂😂😂😂
I wish Konstantin was our Prime Minister and Douglas Murray our Deputy Prime Minister between them they have more common sense than all the ineffective, whingeing, clueless idiots we have elected to Parliament.
That's a dream team. We would be the envy of the world
Absolutely agree with Konstantin. Why on earth don't we hear this common sense from our ministers - who's pulling their strings?
Truer words were never spoken!!
I agree, my nurse gf took the IELTs, she is a board passer for nurse here in the Philippines, worked in Singapore and applied for the UK NMC. Because of all that work she will abide and integrate to the culture and law in the UK for that work to not go to waste.
IELTS is pretty damn difficult
Buti pa tayong mga pinoy nakaka integrate sa ibang bansa di tulad ng muslim at mga itim ang titigas ng ulo sinisira pa yung bansa.
@@charlytaylor1748It's extremely easy, actually.
She should stay in the Philipines and serve the people who paid for her training. One of the really nasty ways that rich countries sponge off poor countries is by enticing away their trained people.
Yet again, wonderfully said and I totally agree. Perhaps Konstantin would consider making a bid for a more prominent position in British politics. We need people like him to save us all from the downward spiral we're all heading for !
No offense, but the UK is not heading for a downward spiral, you are well into a downward spiral. So far in, in fact, that it looks like all these problems you have will not be reversed.
I am a migrant. I migrated from the UK to another country. I haven't been home since I came here 20 years ago but do plan to go home to see friends. Unfortunately, my passport expired. *The question is .... do I need to renew it or can I just walk in unannounced?*
You're fine. Just get the free taxi service operated by the RNLI.
You'll be given free accommodation, food, healthcare and money.
Obviously, had you stayed in the UK and worked for the last 20 years you wouldn't be entitled to any of that - though a place at the back of the queue for NHS services might be on offer.
@@cromagnumveritas4209 institutional hypocrisy? Which institute?
@@cromagnumveritas4209 your point isn't clear. The government is headed by one of indian ethnicity.
Excellent
The wheel is turning our eyes are open.
Facts and logic cannot fix that which is not a failure of facts and logic, but a conflict of interests.
"Yes British born people also commit crimes but there's no reason to bring foreign criminals" damn that was so COLD! That caught me off guard 😂😂
Good for you Sir!! Thanks and respects from Canada
I keep agreeing with you... And really would like for us not to be in the situation where that is necessary. You're doing good and invaluable work my friend.
Common sense versus insanity
Konstantin! Thank You!
' The poor are always with us ' Not my words but very true !
Said Jesus.
@@peterbassey9668 I am glad that someone else knows also !
Thank you for these seven minutes of truth. To bad our media and politicians will never watch it. God bless you.
Well said totally agree. Thank you
Irreperable damage has already been done.
Uber Eats are fully staffed, Car washers on Facebook marketplace are sell 5 cars a week tax free, time to have rethink Britain!!
THIS. THIS right here.
Konstantin you are the man! I wish I had the patience you have when dealing with these anti-western traitors
He is absolutely spot on, it ain't rocket science.
SPOT BLOODY ON! WELL SAID!!! 😊
The Left just does NOT have brains like that! Hearing Konstantin is like a breath of cool, fresh air! Everything he says is clear, understandable - and emotional too. Greetings from Munich.
Whole heartedly agree 👍
👏🏽👏🏽 amazing realism.
This message needs spreading country wide.
So so true!! 🏴✝️🇬🇧👍🏻
Konstantin is still quite young. He's an incredibly clear thinker, and i can imagine that he is on his way to becoming a huge public figure. I hope his influence grows and he helps a new generation wake up to their world.
my gf is from Ukraine and she does classes every night and studies her ass off to get her English level up, even though it's already good enough. meanwhile among like 2nd and 3rd gen Muslims, there's an astonishingly high rate of particularly women who speak NO English
We all know the demographic who should not be here don't we ?
The religion of pieces..
@@sqwalnocthey are the same problem everywhere here in Australia as well
@@sqwalnoc By 'pieces', are you hinting at the religion that regularly blows people into pieces?
Excellent. Thank you.
Well said Konstantin.
Become an MP please Konstantin.. You speak so well for so many of us!
Spot on as ever. Keep up the good work
Brilliant Konstantin xxx
He speaks more sense than all the politicians put together. Listen to the bloke. His points are irrefutable.
Huge thank you for eloquently calling out the rampant mislabelling of "far right" people for wanting to have control over who comes into THEIR country.
Absolutely spot on Konstantin - you speak for the silent majority.
Im always impressed by his clarity and reasonableness
They know it’s bad, that’s why they’re doing it.
Nailed it!
Konstantin never disappoints!
Population 1945 fifty miillion
Population 1993 fifty five million
Population 2024 seventy million plus!
👏🏽👏🏾👏🏽👏🏾👏🏻👏🏽👏🏻
This man for prime minister!
I'm glad you are educating these lost minds
This man talks sense and alot of it
Yes KK, absolutely agree 100% on everything you said
Such a intelligent and eloquent individual. It's a pity we don't see more people in positions of power like that
I find your perspective very illuminating. As such, it is in my best interest to do what I can to have your voice continued.
So....I'm leaving this comment to enhance your UA-cam algorithms so that you can create more videos with content from your insight.
He is so right,certain people will never integrate, their religion doesn't allow it.
Konstantin for président 🙌🏽