DEBATE: Is Immigration Good For Britain?
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- Опубліковано 20 бер 2024
- Konstantin Kisin and Matthew Goodwin take on Aaron Bastani and Polly Toynbee, debating what is described as one of the most 'divisive' talking points in 2024...
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Why male suicide isn't a national scandal would be a good one. Or why rape conviction rates aren't a national scandal. I don't know why the woke cult have a monopoly on what society is allowed to be offended by.
Honestly, a good one and a continued one with Bastani, would love to see one with Hitchens, with unlimited time on it of course, possibly two of them, and the duo, maybe with some strong tea...
I haven't listened yet I already feel as though you are wasting everyone's time debating over such an introductory question such as this on the topic of immigration.
All your viewers could answer this question in a sentence.
I would like for you to have more debates and conversations on immigration, however I hope that next time you will start with a question or statement that's much further along into the subject so no time will be wasted scratching the surface.
I promise you your audience can handle it.
Are all cultures just different, or better/worse? Is it possible that large swathes of the earth to be in worse cultures?
Or: has the west gotten rich because of exploiting others or because of better values, practices, interests, moral righteousness on the average?
I want to be clear that I've followed you guys for a long time and respect you both. I wouldn't bother giving the feedback otherwise.
Not Anton though, he should be fired for this!! 😉
Polly immediately twisted opposition’s position into deporting all immigrants 😅
She lost me at her first sentence.
Yeah she has to make up a position to stand against
Hilarious seeing a Guardian columnist providing almost exclusively an economic case for immigration. The upper class always look after their own.
What’s wrong with deporting all of them?
Classic straw man argument.
Its so traditionally classical for Polly to open with the "but who will clean the toilets and serve my pret" argument.
Well she does live in Hampstead like a true socialist.
lol
My first time hearing her and she's a magnificent dope. Just let them work because they get in anyways and they eventually just become us and we forget they were they. WRONG. There are a great many new immigrants that have no interest in becoming 'us'. Its true we DO need to have a conversation about restructuring aspects of society to really care for people who want to have kids and truly supporting them and bringing back some reverence to the idea of having a family. Its quickly becoming the most important thing a nation can do if they want to continue to exist and not need to rely on heavy immigration.
I am a Filipino nurse but I want to assimilate to the English culture and not the other way around. I respect what the forefathers of this country had done for the sake of the British population. It was meant to be for the British and those who come over here should absorb their culture and love the British culture. Period.
Bless you Eva. Hope things go well for you 👍
which is all we can wish for, we thank you for choosing here
They make you colony
@@basilmagnanimous7011 I hear you. But you NEED us... Desperately!
That is because that Filipino immigrants are part of the few that actually respect and benefit our country, unlike the Africans and Arabian immigrants who come here for benefits.
Why the hell are foreign students allowed to bring in their families? What a bloody joke!! I did a degree abroad and the very idea of havimg my mum or partner come with me never even passed through my mind.
Exactly ! They're not proper students.....the Universities are a gateway. So many of the 'students' don't even turn up after the first few lessons.
It’s very weird that, I suppose the culture of Indians is so different to that of us Europeans. I remember when I was at Uni, my housemate/friend said his Dad is coming to stay with us for just a week and all of us were like that is quite strange as we lived in a student accommodation. Meanwhile Indian students come and bring along with them 65 siblings, 3 mother and 7 fathers.
Not just any students. It’s usually PhD level or research-based Master’s. They can bring a spouse and children under 18.
@@towmee well said: I believe it prudent for others to ensure they have accurate facts before commenting on important matters. The ‘real issue’ lies in the leadership of our country, not solely in migrants. Illegal immigration is the most pressing challenge that needs addressing, I'm not qualified to suggest specific solutions that’s not in my pay-grade. My parents, like many others, are immigrants from the Windrush generation, I also wish to highlight the immigrant roots of ‘much’ of the British population on this ‘Island’. It's crucial for all of us to tackle these issues without resorting to xenophobic rhetoric, which always rears its ugly head during election season, I wonder why? Instead, we should focus on addressing systemic problems such as our governments mismanagement, lack of investment, and widening wealth inequality, which affects all our citizens, regardless of their background but hurts the poor more regardless of colour/ background while they fatten their bank balances along with their friends. That’s the real problem if poor people became more informed and voted diligently then we will demand and have real change.
Also the speed of how we process people is a ‘HUGE’ problem.
The very first thing the Guardian columnist opens with is the most bad faith, unrealistic argument imaginable. It's all they know.
Which Guardian columnist are you referring to?
I'm pretty certain that at least 3 people on the panel have been published in the Guardian.
@@Torquemadia Come on now. Really.
@@Torquemadiadoh, how do I know the answer yet you don't, Polly obviously, get with the program because this is the problem. Now pay attention or don't vote for the good of this country
@@ScoopDogg And yet, its because of YOUR vote, and the people who vote in the same way as you, that this country is in the state it's in!
@@Torquemadia I think he's referring to the ONLY panelist that introduced herself as writing for The Guardian...
The one who immediately straw-manned the argument to fit her counter arguments and then rambled on about Tories for soo long she lost track of her time.
That one...
A country prioritising it's countrymen is a good thing, actually.
Yes, it keeps being that country, it's a duty to protect.
Thats kind of what makes a country a country
Except the West has forgotten that.
The one rule you need but you didn't think you'd have to say it...
Like asking the child minder to not grape.....
@jonbaxter2254 We didn't forget it, our politicians got bought by people who don't want us in the world.
Immigration benefits a few, but is a disaster for most.
These b%stards bring nothing but war drugs and rape.
Let me guess......the few are the corporate elite?
Benefits the rich!!!
Immigration only benefits those who want to impose tyranny.
I don't want anymore immigrants in my country ..we are an island country and we are full up ..
"Locking them up in hotels" Polly starts right off the bat with lies. I felt the exasperation from Matt as soon as she said it.
She's either a moron or being disingenuous. The migrants come and go as they please in the hotels. There are no curfews.
It was all lies , the idea the NHS would crumble is a lie.
For a start without the cost if illegals you could put more money into schools and the NHS to train our kids better. Plus migration with skills is no bad thing , you need a visa to work in another country , as long as you have skills its fine , but what's happening is the government is getting all workers from abroad instead of investing in our own.
She mentions the government doing more to stop illegals and secure borders , but when they do something people like her kick up a fuss , then stop planes to Rwanda.
I'm sure she frames her holidays the same way, she was "locked up in a hotel" the poor thing
its lies and not only that they get several cards that tax payers pay onto for them to live on and its like 120+ a week which is more than what british living here get on unemployment benefits.
I do not know if it is a lie in Britain, but in Australia, asylum seekers are most definitely locked in hotel rooms, many for years on end. This came to light when Novak Djokovic was briefly detained in one before he was deported for breaching covid regulations. Britain has held Australia up to be a shining example and role model for how we manage refugees and have vowed to follow us with things like offshore detention so it wouldn’t surprise me if your country is in fact locking people in hotel rooms and you just don’t know about it. We didn’t.
According to Polly Britain would collapse if all immigrants left? Wow, the former empire and pioneer of the industrial revolution really has fallen.
Lieing liberals. All for their own pockets, snake oil salesmen.
The laughing when Polly speaks is hysterical.
I went from engaged listening to Konstantin’s opening to maybe I’ll finish this video later as soon as she started 🥱
@@user-xi2xi7qd3strue, Toynbee has all the charisma of a wilted cabbage. But debate is about logic and facts, not charisma. I'm sure you'll agree that if you only listened to charismatic speakers, your understanding of the world would end up very limited
@@number1neek She also failed in the logic and facts department 😂
@@user-xi2xi7qd3s care to explain how?
What annoys me is that even those on the anti-immigration side somehow believe the official numbers of there being 750,000 net migration despite us issuing 1,400,000 legal visas last year. Add to that the 100,000 illegal immigrants that we know about, it suggests that there are 750,000 people who leave the country each year. That's complete nonsense as we all know. Just ask yourself and your family and friends how many people they know who've emigrated in the past TEN years. I know of 4 families. That's it. We don't even have a system of counting those emigrating. Have you even been stopped at an airport or seaport and asked by some jobsworth with a clipboard if you're emigrating? Of course you haven't. Do the government have some other secret system of counting them? No they don't. They make the number up so that the net migration figure doesn't seem as bad as it actually is which is far in excess of a million each year. It's about time that the anti-immigration lobby called this out.
Hi, Swiss person here: when Aaron brings up Switzerland as a positive example of high migration he should also mention that the overwhelming majority of immigrants to Switzerland are well educated Europeans. Same with Luxembourg btw. But he doesn’t really want to go into specifics of Swiss immigration policy, because that doesn’t serve his narrative.
Why does it matter if they're Europeans? Don't like looking at brown people or are browns just subhuman or something?
I don't know how such people don't ask themselves "If I have to lie and deceive to make people believe me, perhaps my views are wrong??"
He also gave Qatar as an example. Yet around 70% of immigrants there live in semi apartheid like conditions.
if you think this you show that it is not immigration you have a problem with but non-European immigrants. This just a reiteration of xenophobia and racism not a criticism of immigration.
@@TheBustaProductionsso to be clear. When addressing issues with specificity, it's racist? It is absolutely impossible to comment on cultures and their detrimental impact on British people (of all races) without it being racist?
I visited England in 1978 and 2018. The English countryside was still the English countryside, but London? London is no longer English.
I know. I grew up in east London. I haven’t been back for decades. It’s a den of *****
I was in London nearly ten years ago. After one day we hired a car and got out.
I was born one street north of Berkeley Square, a hundred yards north of the spot where Queen Elizabeth II was born, right in the heart of London. That London is gone. I can never go home.
Shame on the stupid self centred politicians and establishment. Their turn will come.
Same with Paris, it looks like ME city
The argument that "They're just coming here to get a better life" is meaningless. Why should their "just coming for a better life" be more honored than we citizens wanting a better life? Why should we have to give up our life to give them theirs?
There isn’t a contradiction between the two things
@@Gooseplan Do tell which slum prospered by having more people in it ?
Maybe stop bombing their countries then?
"seeking a better life" is a case of seeking to increase their consumption of the earth's resources, to increase their waste and to increase their carbon emissions. Immigration is bad for the earth.
It seems British citizens come last, minorities needs come first.
When she said that we failed to train construction specialists in Britain I nearly choked on my brew.
Several years in commercial and industrial construction and I barely see foreigners in management positions.
The labourers however don't seem to understand basic English and constantly damage expensive materials and create dangerous situations for the rest of us.
They work for less it's never ending
@VoteReformUK822 That's a myth. I can assure you that they get the same if not more than Indigenous bits on site. Maybe in London but in house building that's not the case. And they are not very good just easily replaceable. They call them selves the new Irish lol never.
@@RazonButch86 no it's not a myth!
It's called the minimum wage
More migrants = more applicants = lower wages
They come from poor countries where housing is fraction of the cost
Minimum wage in Poland £3.97
Romania about £2
Albania £1
They come here get £11.44 an hour from Monday and they live in HMOs paying £400 a month rent all bills included!
So yes they do work for less that's why my company has just put my wage to £11.77 despite earning hundreds of millions in profit each year
They know a foreigner will take less because it's like a lotto ticket when they go back home
@@RazonButch86 so frankly you need to wake up pal!
The minimum wage benefits big business due to high migration
Wages were high until October 2005 when they slowly tanked due to Eastern Europeans
I bet you are useless af also frustrated af and probably some sort of son/daughter from a different immigrant family whos not from east europe@@DontRefuseToVoteThisElection
Poor old Polly, I think she’s a bit lost
Nope, she knows exactly what she is advocating.. evil
Blind old Polly climbing up a stick.
She is definitely GONE.
Not enough ice cream allegory for you lot?
@@arnoldhemsley9317 Yeah agree she is an old lady who has lost her way.
Bastini couldn't hold a candle to Matt Goodwin. He gaslights because the mess dosen't affect him. A rich commie who dosen't stand a chance when the smelly hits the fan.
Matt Godwin is a once in a ageneration type of thinker, speaker, and leader. I hope he becomes extremely well known in this country and gets into politics. I would vote for him in a heartbeat.
lol grifter more like
@@nawaz345lol, yeah, hur hur. Grifter more like, hur hur.
What is it with more conservative leaning people and just being so hyperbolic.
You see it on Jordan Peterson videos all the time. Can we just chill out? Godwin is a run of the mill conservative fella, relax.
I like him but also do have a niggling wonder about his motivations. Totally understand him wanting to monetise his time but, to truly project his message to the widest possible audience, where it might have the most impact, this would surely be better accomplished via publishing his articles in the public domain rather than behind a paywall. Is his motivation truly to solve the problem or to make money from it?
Wasn’t it Matt who followed Tommy Robinson during his EDL days, seemingly on the premise of unbiased reporting, later to ‘stab Tommy in the back’ by publishing a damning article in The Guardian?
Haha he’s a grifter 😂😂😂
If you observe Polly closely, she doesnt rebutt any of Kisins' position nor does she actually defend migration or even suggest an alternative balance. All her speech consists of a series of rhetorical sophistries. Primarily: distraction (her main strategy), demonstratum ad absurdio, raising a point only to jump to another without analyzing it, constructing imaginary scenarios and making assumptions which arent only unproven but can be easily rebutted since the whole of british history before 1970 (and numerous current events) serves as a perfect counterexample.
Polly is clearly nuts
The VERY FIRST woman IMMEDIATELY made the point of "we pay immigrants less, simple as. no immigrants means we need to treat the heritage Britons like humans and we simply don't want to." Good GOD how infuriating.
pay less but ontop of that expect some other country pay for their education and work experience
Businesses pay them less which supresses wages for the taxpayer. The taxpayer have to pay the migrants that doesn't work which is about half. Taxpayer always loses
"Importing a third world serf-class to undercut native labour is a GOOD thing"
@@hallahallafulalso: tax credits
I am having trouble understanding her point. Is she saying that if we want to curb illegal immigration, we need to enforce labor rights, etc.? And, that the same "side" that wants to curb immigration also does not want to enforce proper wages/rights etc.? Is she making an incentive argument?
Konstantin is so easy to listen to, he is to the point, no fluff, and makes points in a way people find insightful and amusing. This world needs more people like him.
Easy enough for the simple minded to understand
@@greglyons2526 Even though it seems you are trying to spread your own discontent, I actually agree with you. Not that this was an overly complicated subject, but it takes an intelligent person to make difficult subjects digestible for the average person.
Whilst I do enjoy listening to him, he seems to have developed a tendency to “pause for applause” a little too often. I personally enjoyed Matts contributions more in this debate.
Also, and I disagree with him more broadly, Aaron was interesting to listen to here and did make some good points (despite coming across as a party political broadcast for the Labour Party in his earlier remarks)
If you don't understand the consistent logical errors, he makes, and you just want to feel cathartic about your own point and I can understand you. He sounds like an Onion article to me.
@@tenacioustubbs8358 Yeah, I generally admire Konstantin but the repeated pause for applause threw me off a little this time.
Bastani was the only person who answered the question. Goodwin and Kisin successfully argued that the current model is bad, which most people would agree with, but that wasn't the question. Polly in a way just argued Goodwin and Kisin's points for them.
True true
kisin can be very childish and low-level sometimes too. It's quite disappointing. Idk if he's unable or unwilling to actually engage at a higher level in good faith, but, for whatever reason, he frequently goes for posturing and pablum instead
Also - Konstantin was the first to clap after Pollys speech. Very respectful. Thank you.
I'm not even British and it's a resounding FUCK NO.
We are sinking in immigration. They've took all the houses and are keeping the wages low. I'm sick of going along with liberal/left narrative that's got us here. We are loosing land to build yet more houses. There are no go open air toilets in towns and city's. No guess what's there.
Polly clearly doesn't understand basic economics.
..or indeed reality
I mean she works for the guardian , if that isn't a damning verdict she's beyond hope I don't know what is
I dont get how they can be "our right .... to steal these best people from other countries".... common attitude.... not realizing that causes countries to collapse.
Yeah, they’re all “anti-racists”, “anti-colonial” luminaries, but bring up immigration and they’ll start telling you all how badly we need “those people” specially all their doctors and engineers.
What better way to extract the wealth then steal the people from other countries, including their best and brightest.
She is a fool. Brain dead NPC spouting the usual line.
Who told Polly that the topic was: "Tell me you're a moron without telling me you're a moron"?
She works for the guardian and wouldn't expect anything else from that rag
Agreed. Her arguments are poor.
She answered the question. The opposition changed the question to another issue.
something tells me the audience of this particular channel is a tad biased.
Hi. I'm a left wing person. What did she say that was moronic specificly?
"We need to dramatically lower net immigration to this country to sustainable levels"
Polly - "So you want to deport every immigrant from Britain?"
Please polly
I like how Aaron opens with, "answer the question," then goes on a massive off topic rant about the Tories. Then later goes on to say, "politicians are the problem not immigration," then reels off a list of low immigration companies that have political corruption, to justify high immigration.
The amount of irrelevant and non-sensical reasoning is crackers. It was like watching two different debates; one on immigration from Konstantin and Matt, and one on Tory politics by Polly and Aaron.
Konstantin & Matt the far better and persuasive speakers. The future is concerning.
Matt certainly was but Konstantin was miles off here.
The present is concerning too
I think Polly's echo is caused by the empty space between her ears.
😂
If British children looked after their parents till the last breath, you wouldn't need rest homes and elderly care. No more immigrants required. Problem solved.
But they don't, so you do.
Your so right
Agree with KK and the Prof. Like Aaron as a person but disagree with his view. Polly on the other hand is just as I expected, Guardian columnist, right on leftie with no clue about the real world lived in experience of working people. My daughter is 29. She moved to Austria about 6 years ago, worked in a pub, went to night school to learn how to speak, read & write German. She’s now fluent, happily married and has an Austrian citizenship, that was hard to get btw. She’s embraced Austrian rules, history and culture.That’s what should be happening here really. Come to Britain, legally, obey our rules, integrate with our society not the other way around!
Matt absolutely nailed it
Diversity has failed in the UK I'm lucky to have lived in the 60s 70s and 80s
You sound as old as me.
It's not failed at all! It was always intended to damage our nations, and in that it is succeeding.
It's not failed, it has done exactly what it was intended to. It was never intended to be beneficial to us.
It wass successful in the 90s. I grew up with best mates of all races. I just think it went downhill in the 2000s if we reference The Grooming Gang scandals and terrorist attacks. And then further downhill in the 2010s. Mass immigration was the issue. Not immigration in general. I grew up close with black people and Im glad they came here. Its helped shape my life. Love the music, the culture etc
@DarkAngel2512 it was never really worked, it just took time for the harm it was doing to show, that's all.
As a working-class bloke, it's always noticeable that on debates like this, the views of working class men are _never_ considered, despite the fact that we are always the most affected. And we are the people who make everything work!
A good proportion of my earnings are taken by tax, and a good proportion of those taxes are used to support people that give nothing to the country, to people who actively work against my interests, and to people who are trying to destroy my country and everything I believe in. What gives anybody the right to take my money to use it to harm me?
You'd have to ask A Tory that one.
@@pdyt2009 What makes you think it would be any better under Labour? If many of them get their way, it will be far worse.
migrants are a net addition to the exchequer, statistically speaking people of your demographic are net recipients. You have this idea you are subsidizing migrants, when the fact is the economic setup we have is that migrants (who are on average younger and healthier) subsidize the native population. That doesn't make it inherently a good thing but this idea that it's charity is for the birds; they net pay in to the tax system.
@@Muzikman127 That 'net contributor' bullshit was debunked years ago, child.
Just a quick note: Polly is absolutely loaded. She has three houses, one of them abroad as a holiday home. I'm not entirely sure she speaks for the average brit. Just a though. Comments welcome. Thanks
And the value of these properties are going through the roff thanks to.....MASS IMMIGRATION
Champagne socialist
Polly T - 'Let them work straight away"
What's the point in having a work visa system at all? If absolutely anyone can break into the country and are then able to work. 🤦♂️
I despair.
She's a rat
I mean just throw passports away and have no airport checks altogether
@@DarkAngel2512I see you’ve been watching the videos of the USA southern border with the piles of discarded passports from people who flew to Mexico from China and then walked into California.
@@OkTxSheepLady no. I havent. Interesting
What kind of work was she envisioning for "asylum seekers"? Is there much of a call for digging trenches? Just curious what kind of work people are qualified for when they can't speak English, and have no paperwork at all, never mind academic or even school-leaving credentials? Just curious if she would, for example, want a young man like that looking after her grandchildren?
I want NET 0 Immigration.
That means 100,000 natives can leave to Australia to be replaced by 100,000 Pakistanis
NET negative will be better.
Me too
Net zero means 100,000 natives leave to Australia being replaced by 100,000 foreigners. You want zero immigration. Nil. Nada. Zilch.
@@LS-xs7sg As an Australian what if we had a deal that if 100,000 Brits moved here than 100,000 Aussie's could go there? The problem is not just the numbers, 900,000 permanent arrivals here, it is the cultures of the people arriving. And the guy in the glasses is clueless. We have probably the highest immigration per capita. But it is not increasing our standard of living. We have people and even families, living in cars, despite having decent jobs, because there is no where else for them to live, not just in cities but rurally too. People die outside hospitals waiting just to get inside but the hospitals are too crowded, and nothing to do with covid, it's been like that since immigration became mass immigration thirty years ago.
Thanks to Konstantin and Matt for being a voice for the vast majority of decent Brits. People associated with ‘the right’ are commonly the ones making strong arguments for ordinary working people, while those associated with ‘the left’ typically represent the opinions of the elite class. As Konstantin said ‘You can ignore reality but you can not ignore the consequences of ignoring reality’
Weird then that it's billionaire owned news media that pumps out all the anti-immigrant bile (via right wing grifters who get poften get paid obscene amounts), whilst ordinary people who rent and have to work for a living run left wing outlets like Novara.
The left, which is generally not allowed a platform and has little money to build its own: "billionaires are literally extracting wealth from you and from public services (lower wages, increasing rent and bills, privatisation and profiteering)"
Billionaires, that own 90% of the media, politicians, culture etc: "it's the immigrants, they are the cause of all our problems. Also look they allowed some artistic freedom happen to our flag on this sports shirt - damn the woke libs!"
What do you think uncritical consumers of the billionaire controlled mainstream media conclude? 🤔
The right backs continued privatisation and more tax cuts for the rich, while most working class people are with the left in opposing those things. You're very selective in which policies you want to talk about in terms of working class support.
‘Tax cuts for the rich‘, in reality punishes millions of hard working people (doctors, dentists...) who have earned their money, and to which no one has a rightful claim. I’m not advocating no taxes, but we should be grateful for the rich who provide value, from which we can all benefit.
The working class are often sacrificed at the altar of progressive politics; policies promoted by the people least likely to see its detrimental effects. Immigration can be a very positive thing, but it can be harmful to poorer people who see their communities hollowed out and essential services push beyond breaking point.
Many conservative right-leaning people seem to more fully understand this (than people who assume they better grasp the needs of the working class) and I appreciate their contributions.
@@NedTesco
Wat a troll, I bet you think GB News is center and comprised of decent Brits. The elite are almost purely right wing, in fact its next to impossible for leftists to be elite simply due to wealth. The left are generally comprised of younger generations that are trying to change the problems they face, they have not gathered wealth yet, not risen in companies or politics. The older people become, the more wealth they gather, the more right wing they become to protect that wealth. To be 'elite' is to have power to control and the only way to do that is by wealth
Get your head out of the sand, stop believing everything you see and hear on both sides and start thinking and analysing for yourself
@@darrenpursuingtruth2895 Loool look who's condescending and talking down to working class voters and their views now.
Very happy to talk about "elites" telling working class people what to believe when it aligns with your views but suddenly working class people are too naive or stupid to know what's good for them when they disagree with you?
Banning the sadistic practice of Halal slaughter of animals would be a good start to taking back control, although Kosher slaughter would probably need to be banned too.
Mass immigration has been an absolute catastrophe mainly for the British working class, those types who traditionally fought wars & made this Kingdom what it was, those who were the backbone of the country. Open borders have dire consequences..
They served their purpose at the time for the "elite" ruling class.
The same Globalists that forever ruled the world.
The British caliphate is a sad reality 😢
How did this happen? Why don't English understand the difference between good muslim immigrants, good nonmuslim immigrants and islamist immigrants?
@@AnAn___ It’s basic ignorance of incompetent people.
@@AnAn___ Because they haven't studied the related history or doctrines.
@@AnAn___ Islam in any form does not integrate with ANY western democracy.
We are being conquered. Infiltrate, subvert, convert, take over. Thats the play book.
11 million migrant in UK. less than 500k work in vital sectors like NHS, Construction, Farming/Agriculture. What are the other 10.5million doing? 5 Million homes short.
On benefits of course, for their numerous wife’s and offspring.
Where did you get the 11 million figure from?
@@Cz-zi3my Dianne Abbott ?
@@robertadams1054 just like the white people... what's your point
@@xavier4260 Did I mention colour, NO, that’s the trouble with people in this world. Always down to colour. I am NOT now or never been racist. You are probably a TROLL.
1:14:15 Konstantin absolutely nails this point concerning the modern day use of the term "Far right" from those on the left.
Grooming gangs in ever major city in this country!!
"Asian" grooming gangs. Makes you think it's some Chinese or Korean gang, but ir it's Muslim grooming gangs.
Konstantin - you're not getting the laughs you deserve! Strange audience. Excellent speech, Konstantin!! I think Polly is off the mark.
And so is the spectator presenter Kate also. She and Polly are of the same ilk.
It might be better to lay off the jokes, when discussing a serious subject.
@@davidpryle3935he’s a stand up comedian that people love to hear him speak because he’s right on 90% of what he says.
She is a fool.
The Epstein joke fell a bit flat (over done I would say) but other than that he was getting laughs,
The most appalling thing about this debate is the fact that they organized this very posh debate, but no one thought of getting a third microphone?
It’s like a government run debate.
Most likely on purpose so they can't talk over each other.
This country needs to wake up.
It's the levels of immigration and the quality of people we aren't getting right. When your own culture is disappearing in front of your eyes, the levels are wrong. When your GDP per capita is collapsing, productivity stagnant, the quality is wrong.
Intelligent comment. I think some countries are better at culturally absorbing immigrants than others. Dubai, Hong Kong, Malaysia, USA, Singapore, Australia, Vietnam, India, China, Chile, Brazil, Panama, Seychelles, Mauritius, are good at culturally absorbing immigrants. The UK is bad at it.
The UK needs to stop bringing in conservative sunni islamists. Bring in high quality immigrants and try to inspire them to stay in the UK long term.
@@AnAn___are poles nowadays avoiding UK or even moving out? I got that impression, they rather go to poland than stay in chaos.
@@effexon Perceptive comment. The UK has a very high emigration rate with mass brain drain and emigration of millionaires.
Poland is one of the countries attracting a lot of UK citizens and UK immigrants.
@@AnAn___coz poland among baltics has actually working healthcare system, family friendly society and honest work culture with no tolerance for illegal immigrants. Well this is from estonia but sentiment in poland is very very similar. and polish PM argued this illegal immigrant point, not against any immigrant(anyone could go there and work inside EU country of course... and they have lot of businesses)
First, define what British culture is and then, live it and protect it. If not, it will be replaced. There comes to a point where you cant blame immigrants but only yourself for the state of your house. Brits are still the majority, so you are in charge.
Primarily illegal immigration from countries/cultures that are openly hostile towards western values will only result in a clash of cultures, resentment, racism & a country divided.
Yep, and the woke Left are trying their hardest to accelerate those divisions.
VERY TRUE!!!
@dominionphilosophy3698 and different races (like in Brasil).
My parents are immigrants in Canada and I LOVE our English/Canadian history. I hate the pandering to new immigrants and trying to wash the original culture away.
Aaron hates having to sit on the same side as neo liberal Polly. 😂😂😂😂
I am with Matt and Konstantin! The rest is B.S
Matt was MVP by far. But I'd give the runner up position to The Novara guy. He surprisingly sounded sensible at times which is refreshing. Konstantin gets the award for most cringe performance with his constant pausing for applause that never came. You could practically hear the crickets. Polly gets the award for being the absolute worst.
if they are your ENEMY why are you using UA-cam that was invented by multicultural people
@dominionphilosophy3698 I totally agree. The commie should be ashamed. Oh wait a minute will not affect him. Hypocritical.
If you water down wine so much it ends up not being wine anymore. The Uk is on a fast track to being a big mess if cultures, not one unifying culture that everybody wants to join. No, it’s been detrimental to the people of the British isles and it’s already diverse cultures of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Nothing could be clearer when you listen to the hateful speech by Hanza Yusef at his disgust at too many white people being in Scottish parliament.
'Hunza Yusef' - It spoke volumes enough when you spoke nonsense about his speech and how you along with many others took it out of context but misspelling the man's name is hardly a surprise either, either stupidity or something a lot more worse.
@@robertryan6782Can you explain the context please.
Being White is an immutable characteristic. A rant against white people in a white country is the anti white racism that seems to get a free pass by woke progressives. Just replace White with Black if it helps you understand.
@robertryan6782 No, it was very easy to understand Humza Useless hatred for white people. He didn't like white people in positions of power. He needs to be voted out at the next election, and I think the SNP are on a drubbing like the tories.
And what's the context of a lack of non white people in high positions in Scotland that is 96 % white ? Humza either can't do maths or he's a racist.
Maybe if Mr Bastani spent more time listening and less time on his mobile he would not make such a fool of himself
I swear that it’s not just his hearing that is going down but he aged quite rapidly since his Triggernometry interview.
@@Locke350be fair, he's had a baby
Konstantin was clearly the most intelligent person in this conversation. Excellent work
He is a complete and utter tool
Polly lost the argument with her opening paragraph. She also needs to get her facts straight: Asylum seekers are not "locked up" in hotels, they are free to move around wherever they want. So apparently 75% of people who have broken the law to get into England are allowed to stay. And Polly wants people to have to work with those same people who have broken the law when they have absolutely no idea who they are and whether they are safe to be around or not, but have already proven that they are happy to break the law and have learned that not only will they get away with it, they are rewarded for it.
If genuinely fleeing in terror for your life, would you be angry about a room in a hotel, being protected by private security, three meals a day and some spending money?!
Which law did they break?
@@lukemclellan2141- illegally entering the country. We have ports with immigration officials where refugees can make themselves known and make a claim for asylum.
@@nagillim7915 why don't the people come through the ports?
@@lukemclellan2141 - because they're already in a safe country so can't claim the French government is going to murder them.
But they want to claim asylum in the UK and not in France. So need to get onto British soil illegally to do so.
Goodbye Britain. It was nice knowing you.
good, if you don't like it you can get out
@@user-qh6fp3di6hthere's a certain demographic that's screwing the natives.
I used to be more of a liberal idealist on this issue but the last few years have changed my mind on immigration. You can have too much and it can be too quick. This is an understatement in this country.
You can only help so many people until you end up giving away the very fabric of a country's history, values and future. Yes, I am a moderate talking conservatism. Also, this country is just not in a position to take more and more immigrants, we have all sorts of social, inequality, housing, health and dental care, public service and transport problems.
If you cannot see the warnings of unmanaged immigration in this country because you are a do gooder, you are NOT a do gooder.
Here’s an idea… train Brits
Who, the iPad kids? They can't even use correct English in a sentence. Parents don't bring up their kids properly anymore, foreign or not.
Exactly, invest in Brits and not import cheap labour!!!
@@FormulaProgI'm English, can trace my family back to the Norman conquest. I'm bringing up my son alone since divorcing my abusive hysband. My son has good morals, ethics, good grades at school and is in the top sets for all subjects. I work as well. Your opinion is wrong. Parents who are doing a shit job of parenting aren't exactly getting support to do better when both parents have to work to keep food on the table and are constantly told they're shit because they're British, and constantly being put below criminal foreigners. Maybe if the government brought in financial support for us to have enough of our own babies AND be able to bring them up ourselves rather than having to put them into childcare for 8 hrs a day, we could fill all the posts that need filling. And that includes paying a LIVING wage so we dont need to take in work benefits. Maybe if they had built enough houses instead of restricting supply, we'd be able to afford to buy our own houses. But no, people like you, who I'm assuming are a boomer or similar, are sitting pretty in your houses that you bought when mortgages were affordable, looking down on the rest of us who came after you. Hang your head in shame your horrible twat.
Oh come on! Next you'll be saying we should build houses for British people.
Labour shut the training colleges!
Konstantin and Matt killed. They had the room because they speak common sense and are based in reality.
REALLY?
Yeah really !
Well then if you are but this. Then I got a snake oil website I would like you to go too
EXACTLY
Tell me the common sense part of what they said that wasn't just 1/2 of the story.
I thought it was fascinating that Aaron, at the end, ended up agreeing that immigration ought to be, hugely, brought down.
Honestly just stopping Islamic migration would solve the problem overnight, no one complains about as this man said about Hong Kongers, Poles, Ukrainians or other Europeans but there problem stems from people who come to Britain that have a hatred for it from Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia etc.
More like illegal immigration. Most illegal immigrants come from these countries like Somalia, Libya, Syria and other Middle Eastern nation
Discriminating in a person's eligibility to immigrate because of his religion or race is a violation of immigration law in all countries of the world, I believe, with the exception of the State of Israel, which requires that the immigrant be Jewish or of Jewish origin.
@@MuyassarMostafa... so? you're operating off a model that basically emerged from Christian charity and nobody here is even Christian anymore anyway. sinking your own ship to try and save others helps nobody. Islam refuses to take responsibility for its toxic elements and refuses to have a reformation so it can co-exist with first world values so what exactly is going to happen long term...? it isn't pretty
@@MuyassarMostafa Then it is time to change the law. We had enough of Mustafas and Mohammeds in EU. Coming from fail states just to ruin normal states.
@@MuyassarMostafaIndia’s constitution discriminates, because the same rules should not be applied to classes of people who do not agree to share the rules of others.
Polly is posh; dont think she's met that many working class people. She'd been seen as snotty and condescending by them.
Because that's what she is.
I doubt that she personally loses out
I'm posh but I think she's a tit. She started off by arguing against a position that I would speculate
Polly had nothing interesting to say, Arron made some good points though.
She was very far from being the most condescending person on that stage!
International nurses are definitely not trained to our NHS standards, care is appalling
same applies to engineering from trades to white collars. They're appalling and never worth the hastle I've seen machine shops take on these migrants claiming theyre gona sort all their problems out only to discover the truth and lay them all off within half a year. All it boiled down to is our communities were destroyed and im sure this applies to every other industry.
It's been revealed many of them are fake, other people sat their exams. And don't forget the old lady that died because her carers couldn't communicate with paramedics.
Medical qualification fraud is rife.
I'm Australian and we have the same problem. Even if they are adequately trained if you are very ill, or injured, you don't want a nurse you can't communicate with easily.
Your right, something we are all noticing
Great speech from Konstantin but my god Matthew Goodwin that was a show stopping speech
Matt Goodwin you star! 💪💪💪
For the most part, no.
Britain's streets have never looked worse in my lifetime
if you think this is for any reason than 14 years of austerity you’re a fantasist my friend
@@Jimmycricket- So you don’t think the streets look like shit because we are in one of the most unequal societies in the western world, we have over 4 million children in poverty, councils are going bust and the high streets are in decline, public services have been asset stripped and sold off to private companies based halfway round the world who give themselves nice salaries while actual liquid shit is pumped into our rivers?
You don’t think the decisions government make have a domino effect on the cities and towns that make up this country?
Do you have a better explanation for why our streets have never looked worse?
Immigrants is it?
I would argue the only remotely pleasant thing about walking down your average public road in the north or south of the UK is that you are guaranteed to have a nice variety of authentic restaurants and takeaways serving all kinds of international food: Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Turkish, Italian, Greek, Mexican, Jamaican, Portuguese, Argentinian.
If it wasn’t for all that we’d have nothing to eat but chippy tea as we watch this failed state collapse around us. And if you think it’s the immigrants fault that the state is failing, then brother you have not been paying attention. Look where power resides. It’s not with me, it’s not with you, it’s not with the refugee, it’s not with the first-generation, second-generation, third-generation immigrant family. Look who has the power.
@@Jimmycricket- My point is the things you are complaining about are valid, but the buck stops with the people in power.
How can you establish whether adding 10 million people has made a country better or worse? The population of the whole world has absolutely skyrocketed in the last hundred years in comparison to the rest of recorded human history. None of us are in a position to ascribe a moral judgement over whether more is good.
What I am arguing is that all of the complaints we share about the state of this country are not the FAULT of immigration. Of course immigration plays into it, but if you’re going to use NHS being stretched to breaking point - better or worse, the immigrant workforce props up the NHS. Council housing stretched to breaking point? Right to buy and the slowing down of house building. Politicians receiving death threats? Two MPs have been killed by extremists. One was muslim, one was white. How is this relevant in an argument about immigration?
Essentially what I’m trying to say is I feel like we agree more than you think, we just disagree that the root cause is immigration. Immigration is involved, certainly. But the buck stops with who has the power.
Also, having good food to eat is literally one of the greatest pleasures of living. But that’s another debate.
@@jdHaworthThe problems you describe there are all valid but they are not what this debate is about. However, importing millions of people makes these problems worse.
Yes with white crack heads, I totally agree. Deport them NOW
Polly Toynbee is genuinely very funny, like someone from another era. Is she drunk? Pythonesque
Ahh... Unintended comedy. My favourite!
If you watch her segments on 2x speed she's far more bearable.
No, she’s delusional…always has been
No she just ignores facts.
Putting a high price on a genuine marriage is truly evil.
One of my annoyances is when people use acronyms without explaining them first. So for the benefit of the viewers: European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCH) and European Research Group (ERG). It's lucky we have the Internet these days!
Thank you!
I would like Aaron Bastani and Polly Toynbee to declare whether they have an vested interest in the very lucrative immigration industry, I want to know if they really believe that importing 3rd world unskilled people who don't share culture, religion or language into a society like Britain really is beneficial or whether they are simply continuing some grift because it benefits their career or them financially and socially.
have a look at the debate, Bastani was actually for control, unlike Polly...
This assunes that most British people have a grasp on culture 😂
I wouldnt put Bastani in the same boat as Polly. Polly is just unhinged - the classic white female liberal
@markoarcabic aron has a child now so is starting to realise that his fully automated socialism would just be another bloodstained utopia once achieved
What do you mean by the "lucrative immigration industry".
Title should be: is invasion and colonisation good for the natives?
Lol
They bring nothing. At least when Britain went colonising it did something for the locals. We getting swamped and they're living off what our ancestors built up.
Listening to all the Islamic adverts interrupting this video is insane
It’s hardly a debate really. Migration is necessary and unavoidable. However educating, employing and paying British people fairly is integral to a successful British society. This country is being ripped limb from limb by multi-national corporations, tax avoidance and profiteering off of national services.
I’m in the mass deportation crowd. GDP isn’t a pagan god
Deport who though? Students? Key workers?
@@user-zm3px2qj4mIllegal or purely economic migrants, and any non-nationals who are a tax drain. I.e on benefits or not contributing as much as they are costing the national money pot.
You know, the way almost every single country runs.
As an Australian I agree. We have some who have committed horrendous crimes, but don't get sent back. GDP increases the governments borrowing capacity, but it doesn't improve living standards per capita.
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@61shirley
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I’m in the mass deportation crowd. GDP isn’t a pagan god" Wouldn't this mean that the UK rapidly devolves into a middle income country comparable to Mexico? Wouldn't this mean massive tax increases, spending cuts, massively lower real wages and incomes, and a UK almost entirely owned and controlled by foreigners? A per capita income lower than Malaysia, Eastern Europe, or almost every European country?
Is this really what you want?
@@grannyannie2948 Immigration increases per capita income because immigrants outperform multi-generational locals.
Wish we could find such civilized debates here in USA. Bless you Brits.
Actually I disagree, you've got guns!
@@bulltraderpt right
I've watched Christopher Hitchins and Sam Harris debating. You do ok in the USA.
Soon, debates like this will be illegal here. :(
i quite like the way debates are handled in the northen africa/middle east countries that the migrants are coming from...
My cousin and his very disabled wife have been told to continue paying rent to their landlord while they squat in the house the landlord wants to sell, they can't get another private rental because the costs are too high and they can't get social housing...I think that tells you everything you need to know about the state of the UK thanks to immigration, specifically mass immigration, that's been imposed upon us with zero consent from us the electorate. The very fat we were never asked should null and void any opinion for mass immigration, or any immigration for that matter that is not 50k per year or lower.
You sure there aren't like, so many other reasons as to why the infrastructure in this country has become awful? The Thatcher years and the gutting of the welfare state / council house buyback that led to the housing crisis / no building of council houses due to lack of investment from government / NIMBY's. 15 years of austerity. In many cases we alongside other members of the UN caused irreparable damage to a number of the countries these migrants have come from, you could argue it's our duty as humans to make up for the damage we caused by allowing for them to make a new life in our culture.
@@TheChannelMegaBirthrate has trended downward since the sixties and you don't suddenly become immortal because you buy your council house in the 80's, it ends up back on the market, and if demand is low then the price is cheap. the increase in demand can't be from the fewer and fewer English people being born, immortal homeowners or houses getting sucked into the twilight zone. it has to be from the hundreds of thousands of people per year, every year, that come from elsewhere.
Why the hell do people from other countries have a right to council houses in the UK anyway? we aren't the world's social safety net, hospital or benefit system.
@@TheChannelMega selling off the social housing stock was not an issue IF we kept all new social housing for native Britons not the rest of the world. We haven't kept up with the need for social stock that's a legitimate argument, but when we haven't got the housing stock was it really a good idea to have 10 million people show up to our country who also need housing? I don't think it is is it?
Use your head if you have ten apples and fifteen people who want them do you give them ten to the first ten people on the line or do you start from th back of queue? Ask yourself and really think what you would say if the guy at the back got one and you didn't when you'd been stood waiting for an hour and he just showed up five mins ago. You'd be angry...and rightly so. That's what's happened with social housing, and housing general, given we're a small nation that wishes to conserve it's green space that cannot sustain it's unnaturally inflated population via mass immigration.
@@TheChannelMega blah blah blah we did this we did that, so what? The middle east was a mess before we got there and it still is after, that's the been the case in that area of the world for centuries if you bother to look at world history instead of just ours. They're not our responsibility, you're fellow citizens are who can't see a doctor, get a school place, who can't get social housing, who can't see a dentist, but hey you feel good because you want pepper from totally different cultures to come here...good luck with the gays and lesbians getting along with the Muslims btw, when 75% of the latter want the former locking up for a crime. But again hey, you don't think of such things do you? I do because I'm lesbian and I'd rather not be a criminal in my own country. I'm also someone who's been let down by the state time after time, because people have pushed to help people in far away lands rather than their actual neighbour.
Didn't Robert Mugabe study at university in the UK, such a great friend Polly.
Polly, straight in with the bs.
“If we deported every single foreigner”
What? Who said that? Lol
They don't care about what we actually say, they warp our words to discredit our views
I actually had someone say that to me the other day when I was talking about the housing crisis. The worst thing was that the guy said he worked for social housing for 30 years 😬
@@benfisher1376 Looked her up and wouldn't you guess it: She's a journalist lol
I'm Australian and when she said that I did the mental gymnastics. About 30% of the people living here are born overseas. If they all decided to leave, our housing crisis would be immediately solved without spending a cent. Yes some nurses would leave but there would be a reduced number of people requiring hospital care. The reduction in people using roads and public transport would reduce the cost in these infrastructures. In theory with less demand the cost of things like water and electricity, Should get cheaper.
Isn't Polly just lying straight off the bat by declaring the majority of illegals skilled?
She's not lying. Iraq, Eritrea, Afghanistan and Somalia are full to bursting point with veterinary surgeons, software programmers, database engineers, AI engineers, oncologists, dialysis nurses etc. You can't swing a cat in downtown Mogadishu without walloping half a dozen PhDs.
@@baltasarnoreno5973, clearly - just look at the bearded guys with guns strolling in boats up and down the coast of Africa.
Of course she’s lying she works for the Guardian..
Polly's book on Britains open borders mass immigration levels, to be released in time to influence British voters minds before the election, is called 'the only way is up'.
This was really good - with Konstantin and Matt being a part of it, that’s a given.
Polly turns into a meme: "Who's gonna serve my coffee at Prett?!"
Who used to work in service jobs before 1997?
@@mark4lev low pay, low skill jobs used to be youngsters first jobs.
Honestly, how tf can we still possibly be asking this.
Because there are different perspectives on it?
Stupid glasses ✅
Finger waggling condescension ✅
Immediate straw-man argument ✅
Yeah we're dealing with a Guardian Journo. Nauseating
I love how the person getting the most laughs in the room wasn't even trying to be a comedian.
Bless her little Guardian soul.
😂 soo funny x
Loved the moment Polly nearly got laughed off stage
Whereas I noticed nobody laughed once at the comedian Konstantin Kisin.
@@freebornaiden7666 I wonder if you also noticed this wasn't a comedy gig.
@@daniel.lopresti So why was KK attempting to make jokes then?
Polly can't hear... Can't get an appointment at the DRS for a hearing aid😂😂😂
She can't: Too many immigrants in the queue already. 😅
😂😡😜👍
most likely, the doctor is a migrant too and they paid someone in their homecountry to get their medical degree and license...
Polly is the political and debate equivalent of a flat earther.
"You can ignore reality. But you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality." Dope
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“You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.”
That's from Ayn Rand.
Some excellent points by Aaron Bastani. Overall, my mind is unchanged and I think KK and Matt carried things very well. Polly living in the clouds but I would expect nothing else.
There is no point in debating whilst you have no say in the matter. Mass immigration is being foisted onto European peoples against their will. Let's discuss the reasons why this is.
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Great point.
Well said.
Those providing accommodation at taxpayers expense are becoming ever more wealthy
@@catscan2022 of course
"first of all, if it was your children i don't think you'd consider it an anecdote"
Polys attempt to put logical and financial arguments for migration were hilarious.
"I'm Polly Toynbee, I write a column in the Guardian..."
*rolls eyes* here we go...
Hey. Polly genuinely amazed me in this debate.
Amazed me that her speaking can be less coherent and considered than her written garbage.
@@sakuraba7870of course she does, she writes for The Guardian and is probably friends with Owen Jones
@@sakuraba7870but why left support Islamist
The last time i visited a hospital, the majority of the patients were foreign born (in my area) so what we are saying is, import more foreign people so they can look after all the foreign people we imported. Where does this end?
the left bitches about environmental sustainability. is this not the first tent pole of that? How can you claim sustainability when you always have to import more and more people
I’m on your side but saying most of the patients were foreign born isn’t honest. We don’t know where people were born unless we ask them. If we want people to listen to us we have to stop exaggerating and making stuff up. Just tell it how it is mate, it’s shocking enough without the exaggerations. They won’t listen to us if we lie.
@tournaline3448 it was a judgment made mainly by the amount of different languages that I heard spoken. you are right that it was a rough guess, but I remember a time when that wasn't the case, when I walked into my local hospital. The fact that I remember there being far more white people in the same hospital 20/25 years ago (including staff) would suggest that by sight alone the people I'm seeing were not born here, unless you are suggesting that a small Asian minority have been pumping out 10 to 20 kids per family in the last 20 years and that's the result of what I'm seeing?
@tournaline3448 I'll give you another example.... if the white British population is declining, who are we building all the extra houses for? Like the women said in her speech, we are apparently importing skilled workers into this country that help to build our infrastructure. Can't remember who said it, but this is a ponzi scheme!
@@markwales48 Yeah can’t deny what you’re saying there. We need to be stricter about who comes in. The last time I was in hospital I was mostly taken care by 2 nurses, both foreign. One was from India, she was very well spoken, polite, and had a sense of humour. The other was from Pakistan, she never really gave any greetings, was often mumbling in her own language, and at times it felt like she didn’t really understand what I was saying. I was worried that I wasn’t getting the right treatment when she was around. That experience sums it up for me, if it’s hard working polite people who can fit into the culture, I have absolutely no problem with it. But people who are so different from us makes it hard for not only us but surely them too. Can they really be happy about being here when they can’t even communicate with the people actually from here? It really does feels weird walking down the street and not hearing English at all. I went to school with all kinds of kids, Black, Asian, mixed - but everyone just communicated as normal in the common language, English. What we’re seeing now is different. These people can’t speak English at all so we can’t connect with them.
No. A controlled very small number of immigration is good, a few thousands. But the number now is beyond a joke. No wonder our services are under pressure, can't get a seat on a train, can't get a dentist, can't get a house, and our green fields are disappearing. It's horrendous.
I had a seat on a train today, managed to get an NHS dental appointment without being a registered patient and have a mortgage. You are spouting daily mail bullshit and have no basis for these dangerous, moronic assertions.. cretin.
@@dannytoots6635Where do you live Danny Boy? The only way I can get dental appointments for where I live is through a dental plan.
@@Locke350 just by Bloomsbury Square in London and Cambridge up until last year. If you need an emergency NHS appointment you can get it via 111.
@@Locke350 and don’t blame it on immigration 😂 blame it on chronic underfunding. Stop buying into the Tory/tabloid narrative.
@@dannytoots6635 There you go, in well-off places. And not everyone can just call for emergency appointments at the last minute as a lot of people have weekday jobs.
How did Britain function before 1997 then ?
The rise of the rest is far more obvious now.
people used to have kids
@@sulemandawood5955And affordable housing.
@@sulemandawood5955 you are nearly there! Why are kids being taught what they are with the gender nonsense? Why are women taught to prioritise work over a family? Why not do as other countries have done and incentivise children?? Why are all the people in charge brown???
Britain prior to 1997 was a lot more localised. There was a bent to buy locally produced goods because the logistics of importing goods did not exist at the same scale. As time progressed we have looked more outwardly for our solutions. A downstream by-product of that is culture takes less of a primary role in society. Globalisation by 1997 started to play a major role in the UK. UK standard of living is higher than it's ever been when you look at statistics to do with poverty and wealth. UK has become a less productive economy. The countries population is small to begin with, there is a moat (English channel), the working class has shrunk and the middle class has grown (much like what China is experiencing now), and we have an aging population that means we need young people to ultimately prevent the economy from collapsing within itself.
One of my British friends once said this to me: 'We did Brexit. Super! Now we don’t have immigrants from Europe who have similar values and culture like us. Now we have immigrants from third world countries who are not willing to integrate and have a totally different culture than us. Seems like a win, right?!”
I think this describes the current situation in the UK perfectly.
Complete Brexit would have meant leaving the ECHR. Brexit meant we wouldn’t be forced to take immigrants. Brexit didn’t happen so can’t blame it. The government decided to take in all those people.
Even when in the EU more immigrants were from outwith Europe
The ECHR has nothing to do with the EU.
Clearly zero actual experience of Britain pre and post Brexit 🙄
@@Jimmycricket- I live in England you numpty 🤣