Resident Evil 4 (2005) Didn't Save The Series
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
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For two decades I've heard that Resident Evil 4 (2005) saved a dying franchise. And I've never bought it.
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here before the re4 babies come
Maybe if you could get your facts straight instead of saying shit you don't understand people wouldn't criticize you?
@@randomt800kiddo2 this video is not objective at all. This is personal opinion with very little evidence to support it arguments. Just because he spoke for 20 minutes doesn’t mean the points were relevant. Name one company in the industry that has been successful for decades without adapting or progressing the product. RE4 grabbed the newer market share that it’s previous games we’re not, the series might not have been dying but it was beginning to stagnate which is a leading indicator of decline in market share. the 3rd person POV alone set the industry standard for every other 3rd person game and capcom was applauded by its peers in the industry. In terms of audience these gaming companies understand that appealing to the kid who played your game 15 years ago is not going to have the same time to invest as an adult, they are looking to capture younger and newer audiences this is basic for most entertainment companies. I sympathize with this creators wishes to relive and play the same style of Resident evil in his adolescence but unfortunately business does not care. The point of business is too grow and make the most amount of profit as possible, RE4 successfully did that at the time which is why capcom put so much effort into remaking RE4 compared to 2 & 3, they understand the impact the game had for the series and it’s audience who played the original is still young enough or at that age where they have the money and time (ages 18-25). The OG RE4 is old but not as old as the other instalments to the series.
This video does not come from a objective business perspective. It’s weak argument with a controversial title to bring in views for his channel.
@@Bino8724 tell me you havent watched the video without saying it lol
I don't understand channels like this that exist purely to drum up drama. Like you freaks know exactly what you're doing with your clickbait titles and then act surprised when people call out your bullshit. In any event, I found another subpar content "creator" to put on the ignore list.
We all know that the game that truly saved the series was Resident Evil Survivor.
BRO TRUEEEE
SAVED!
Damn Right
Gaiden saved it for me. I still own that piece of shit and it's worth more now than RE4R deluxe edition.
They should remake it. It had potential because of its level design, music and path branching. Unfortunately, everything else was abysmal.
RE4 got me into the franchise. RE1 taught me why it was a franchise.
Best comment ever.
I think I may screenshot this comment and crop it.
People lately have been wondering why a RE1 "Modern" Remake would be bad. This. This is why.
Well said
@@sonzatore1 on 3rd person view won't be bad, but won't be as good as original either.
@@diamondgirls6541 It *would* be bad though. Not as a game, of course. I'm sure it'd be fun for the newbies out there. But fixed camera has been misunderstood lately. The fear/uncertainty it induced would be gone. *Cut* *content.* The Jill we know and love would be replaced with this angry "badass" woman in a Jill costume. And don't even get me started on the remake of a remake of a remake rabbit hole. It'd basically be spitting in the face of it's origins.
But sure...it'd probably be fun...
I hate the term a series is “dying” because it’s not mainstream or that popular
Ironically RE started to stagnate for a bit after it went for that sort of mass appeal
If a series dont sell, it gets cancelled, ask Silent Hill, Panzer Dragoon, Shenmue, etc.
@@Jose-se9pu But it was selling. That's why they had a fuckton of spin-off's like Megaman back then. I think people have this weird idea that every game needs to make MCU or Ragnoroak number's to be a success but enterly overlook how much the actual cost of the entertainment is. Shit like Ragnorok or MCU films rake in massive amounts of cash, but they also gamble hard with large bloated investments. Content like that NEED to sell by the hundred millions just to make even.
RE followed the strategy of "humble investments, larger porfits" a strategy much of horror in general goes for. And that often works.
@@roble8943 not the re1 remake, it was not selling well, at release. It was supposed to be the rebirth of the survival horror, but was a failure. I am sure being a gamecube exclusive was the reason, but Mikami himself said that it not selling well pushed them to action games.
That’s why no RE game “killed” the series outside of Resident Evil 6. RE6 was universally hated by both RE fans and general mainstream audiences that Capcom was left in a dire and difficult state for Resident Evil. It wasn’t until 7 came back and redefined the series back to its original survival horror routes. 6 was so bad… it pulled the plug on the series for FIVE YEARS
Not only did they refuse do remake 2 and 3 the way they did 1, they went after the fans that were trying to develop fan-made remakes that they were planning to distribute for free.
Some of those RE 2 fan remakes look a bit more interesting to me than the official Capcom-created RE 2 Remake, to be honest. Much like the recent Dead Space remake, these fan-made RE 2 remakes were incredibly faithful to the original RE 2, while only giving the graphics a major upgrade. The official RE 2 remake is fantastic and I had a lot of fun with it, but I really *REALLY* would love to play one of those fan-made RE 2 remake projects.
I've never heard of this in my life. I've only heard of a over the shoulder fan reimagining of RE2, and Capcom flew the team over to Capcom Japan to get an exclusive look at the official RE2 remake. Source for your claims?
@@friendofp.24 The guys that were making the RE2 fan remake where developers from Italy. They got ceased and desisted by Capcom for making the remake. Seeing as Capcom already started developing RE2 Remake soon after, the developers then used the assets they had for their fan prohect and made Daymare 1998
At least Capcom tried to make amends with the fans going the opposite direction with the RE4 HD project. Not only it allowed them to continue but pinned the fan-made texture package in their original Resident Evil 4 page in Steam.
@@friendofp.24 This dude conveniently omitted the part where Capcom hired those ppl, they didnt just fucked with them
I didnt play the remake of the 1st one until 2019 and it became my favourite immediately. The fact that 20 years after its release it blows people away on first playing it is really saying something
Don't actually do that for me (there always would ppl like me😂) but i still liked it! (Platinum Trophy i got tho) but for me still Og Re2 is just Fantastic 😍
Re 1 remake is not only one of the best (if not the best) re game, it's one of the most iconic survivor horror game of all time
Bro, I've been waiting to hear someone say this shit!
They released REmake exclusively for one of the worst selling consoles of its time...then acted surprised at the low sales.
Then a decade and a half later, when it was remastered for ALL MODERN SYSTEMS, it fucking broke capcom digital sales records.
Like no fucking dah...
Back in 2002, I also bought a Gamecube for the sole reason of playing the RE 1 remake. I was overseas in Iwakuni, Japan at the time, serving in the Marines. I bought the Gamecube and RE remake from this little mall on base. Not only was RE remake amazing, but I also discovered a few other memorable Gamecube games. Metroid Prime, for example. That game was *so* good!
I'm so happy to see people push back against this narrative after all this time. It was really insufferable from 2003-2019, games journalists were presenting it as a basic fact of the universe that no one wanted to play traditional survival horror games and we were saved by RE4's action focus, or, worse, those Amnesia/Outlast hide and seek games.
Thank god amnesia clones are dead frankly
@@MILDMONSTER1234 They're not dead, they're just all (luckily) relegated to Roblox games targeting the preteen Creepypasta crowd now
@@Weyland_PunaniShinji Mikami said that he run of ideas of how to push the series forward, and didn’t want to do the same thing again. So he chose to do something different.
The Amnesia/Outlast games added something of their own to survival horror games, it was just oversaturated then on by many poor quality versions. Amnesia and Outlast prioritized horror as where Resident Evil was somewhat then abandoned it for action. The fact REVII followed suit shows just how impactful Amnesia or more so Outlast, was leading up to.
Amnesia isn't really a stealth horror game, that's the big lie. It's pretty much just a gothic horror adventure game. The stealth stuff is just to psych you out. It's not scary or horrific, it's just dreadful and spooky. You know, not really something for an adrenaline junky but I love it since I'm more intrigued by the lore and atmosphere of horror games than scares. I hate screamers.
Re4 didnt save the series, it elevated the franchise to new heights of popularity.
Cap. Most fans say downfall of the original feel/soul of resident Evil. The Game that was the biggest market success Re5 so Re4 didn't even take the crown for most popular
@@mysteryace2129 re5 literally exists because of re4’s success like what are you talking about?
@@prl4122 And sold less. Showing that Re4 didn't "save" squat and was just an action game like the rest of them. Re7 was the one that really saved the franchise and brought it back to its roots.
@@mysteryace2129 cope as hard as you want re4 will always be the top the franchise will ever have and never top lmao
@@blackvalio4060 Re4 lickers already here
Re1,Re2, Re3, Re7>>>> Re4 basic action movie ripoff BS
I'm gonna need you to say this a little louder for the people in the back.
Hi avalanche reviews!
@@schemar17 hi!
No
One thing to also note is that OG RE2 had a massive marketing/ad campaign which helped its success too. If I'm not mistaken I don't remember the following titles having this at least to the extent of RE2's.
Oh yea re2 even had a comercial done by George r. Romero
Marketing truly is a big factor
Also, you have to remember that everyone including my grandma had a PS1, and by then many were hacked (mine had a chip for copied gamnes)
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Why RE4 always takes the blame for action? No one played Code Veronica? Wesker doing matrix shit, Alfred is typical bond villain, steve is horny teenager with double luegers, Alexia was anime character with pyromancy and claire did super agent stunts before Leon made it mainstream lmao😂
I think it started with RE3, it's more linear with a big action boss you fight multiple times in the game. Although it obviously doesn't go as far as RE4 with having a lot more mobs, ammo and combat in general.
Classic RE2 and RE3 fans: _why are we still here ? Just to suffer ?!_ 💀
unfortunately not many people know about this, and straight up say “classic fix cam RE oUt dAtEd” great video man.
This video is wrong.
I don't think CV should be considered a spinoff, it was designed as a mainline game and it plays like one and has main characters in it. Hell, I bought a DC when they were cheap in part so I could play CV, much like I ended up doing with a GC for 4.
True, CV was the "real" sequel and RE3 the spinoff quickly made because Sony paid for a numbered RE title
cv isn't a spin-off. it is/was label as such but is, also according to capcom, a mainline game. kids will never understand and aren't able to do a 20 seconds research
For almost two decades at this point the conventional wisdom I’ve heard (and sort of have to agree with) is that Resident Evil 4 was really good. But it’s popularity as an action didn’t just change the direction of RE series but essentially helped push traditional survival horror games out of the mainstream. You needed backlash against RE6, and viral clips of twitch streamers screaming at indie horror games for Residential 7 and 8 to happen.
Shouldn't you blame capcom for not understanding what made it popular in the 1st place? It's not the game's fault for being good, if blaming re4 is your point.
@@insertnamehere658 4 was deliberetely dumbed down to appeal to the lowest common denominator. All the stables of the series were dropped in favor of pure action and loot, and teenagers loved it. Can't blame Capcom for giving nu RE fans what they wanted.
@@cuttrogue so more action just means that it was dumbed down? Doesn't matter if it's well designed and balanced, has great atmosphere, combat and lore. Just because it's action survival horror, you don't like it?
The fact that you say the game is pure action says it all. It had plenty of slower moments in between its big set pieces. Moments where the game slows down and you get to take in the atmosphere.
Yeah, sure. Only teenagers like action. Not like it was universally praised by everyone, including adults when it came out. And let's face it, a lot of kids played classic RE too. Do you now think that horror is for kids who can't handle action?
Just admit that YOU don't like it, and don't try to put down the game and its fans for liking it.
@@insertnamehere658 Yes - cookie clicker is also perfectly balanced and designed. Removing majority of puzzles and dumbing down few that's left, severely easyfying the action part of the gameplay and basically eliminating resources management and planning is dumbing down, yes.
@@cuttrogue Shinji Mikami said that he run of ideas of how to push the series forward, and didn’t want to do the same thing again. So he chose to do something different.
Capcom: puts their remake of an old-style survival horror game on a console typically marketed to younger consumers that’s lagging behind in sales compared to its competitors, and proceeds to not port it to any of those competitors
Remake: doesn’t sell well
Also Capcom: 😮
I'm starting to think it was on purpose so they'd have the excuse to take the series in RE4's direction.
@@daveweaver3886 Well at that time „Black Fog" was still planned to be final version.
@@Gwyn770 Not to mention the "Hookman" iteration
For a fan of survivor horror games, it's so heartbreaking to hear this narrative for so much years that people aren't all that interested in horror games anymore, and wanted more action focused stuff. All because and bad deal between Capcom and Nintendo.
@@EggEnjoyer Re 4 had an extremely troubled development. The team wanted to make the game scarier than before, but due to hardware limitations about 3 ideas were scraped. So because Shinji Mikami was tired of Re formula he made it more action based.
@@EggEnjoyer ok!
@@orangeslash1667hardware limitations? If the gc was much more powerful than the ps2 paperweight
No
Huh, this is honestly the first time I've ever heard about this sentiment. Like everyone know's RE 4 was a massive sucess that helped create a new genre and drastically shift the direction of RE for years but "save" it? From what? Even when it wasn't as big as it was up to that point RE was one of Capcom's most sucessful IP's ever only really behind Street Fighter. The hype was slightly dying down by then cause the last mainline game, Nemesis, was 5-6 years old at that point and the IP was surviving off spin-off games of varying quality.
Saying RE 4 "saved" RE is like saying Breath of the Wild "saved" Zelda. Massive influential games sure but the IP was doing perfectly fine both quality and profit wise.
RE remake was a failure. Had RE4 also failed, that would've been the end of it.
Yes but for how much longer would they have been successful? That’s what this video fails to address from a business perspective. Companies that fail to progress stay stagnant, there becomes a lack of growth. RE4 was THAT game which brought that growth back to the series. To add to this, gaming companies are not interested in only pleasing their older fan base. These companies understand as people age they tend to get busy with life and do not have the time to spend playing these games as much, thus leading to the consumer becoming less engaged with content. The goal is to target new audience bases and figure out how to keep that cycle going. Not to mention RE4 set the industry standard on the 3rd person POV. If a company is setting industry standards it’s is considered a success by its peers. I sympathize with this creator because he is an OG fan and he wants what he got from his childhood, but unfortunately business demands otherwise. You either adapt, or die. That is business, at least for this industry.
@@Bino8724 The whole reason as to why those games failed is because of the bad decisions and exclusivity deals made by capcom. Mayo never argued that RE 4 was unnecessary or never made series even more popular in the first place his whole point was against those people who use the success of RE 4 and lackluster sales of other 6th gen titles to say "RE was dying". As to why RE 4 came out the way it did,it's not because of desperation for newer audience but out of an intent to shift the direction because the team itself was already burnt out on classic formula not because of sales but because they have already perfected,improved and innovated on their design to a point where no amount of gimmicks would have prevented formula from going stale. In short,the whole point of video was "RE 4 didn't saved the series,but it made it even more popular than it already was".
@@Eshanthegreat so then you agree that if not for RE4 the series’s would go stale, which in almost all circumstances leads to decline is profits, market share and overall growth. It’s quite clear RE4 saved the company from financial crisis which is something yourself and even capcom mentioned.
@@Rihcterwilker It failed because it released exclusively to the purple lunchbox. Why do you think a ps2 port of RE4 was out not even a year after its release? Because that gamecube install base was crap.
Re1 remake sold really well when they re released on everything around 2014. Almost like getting it off desert gamecube island was exactly what RE1 Remake needed.
Shinji Mikami may have directed RE1 and REmake, but as well as insisting on GameCube exclusivity for REmake he had also wanted RE2 to be the definitive end to the series. It's sad that only the latter position was overruled by others in Capcom.
@@HouseTrapJaythat doesn’t really surprise me considering the only sequel he ever directed in his career was 4, and that was only due to its rocky development, and it’s not uncommon for that to happen. MGS2 was meant to be the last one, then 3 due to dev trouble, then 4 due to the death threats konami got when it was revealed Kojima wasn’t directing it. Not many devs want to be working on the same franchise for years, and want to branch off to something new.
@@HouseTrapJay Sometimes creators don't want to the same thing over and over again, otherwise Shinji would not have been involved with Evil Within 2 and High Five Rush. You know how people are complaining about Call of Duty getting so stale😪😪😪😪😪😪???
@@orangeslash1667 Its understandable but Mikami did made many other sucessful projects in Capcom and he had creative freedom to make various games
@@Dragonfury3000 The problem is that Clover Studios was shut down because Viewtiful Joe and God Hand didn't sell well. In case you forgot Mikami created God Hand.
@@orangeslash1667 yeah but those were fully creative projects from him at least. He knew the consequences of making those.
Dude these videos are so important. I’m not even an OG survival horror fan but I would love to see RE fans get official 2 & 3 artistic remasters (that maybe add stuff and DO NOT delete content) before I die. You guys deserve it.
Yeah that would be super cool, problem is, these games still look dam good for their time.
I would absolutely love that being an OG fan since 7 years old. I thought the switch would at least get them
Wish there were more purple like you trying to get us some classic feel back to the series.
Thank you! I really wish RE3 didn’t get the short end of the stick…
get official 2 & 3 artistic remasters" what he askl is absurd.
This video describes what I don't like about a lot of sequels that go in a different direction. It's not that the new direction is bad, it's that the original style wasn't continued. The RE2 remake is fine, but it's a different game set in the same story. Like if Halo 1 was remade in the style of Halo Wars.
I would not quite go that far, since I feel the differences between an Action-Shooter and an RTS game are more vast. Those are, compared to the differences between a Survival Horror built around cinematic fixed cameras and a Survival Horror built around an over-the-shoulder camera.
I might instead compare it to a scenario, where Nintendo decided to remake TLoZ: A Link to the Past, only to ditch the classic top-down perspective in favor of the camera system in TLoZ: Ocarina of Time. Not only that, it would be like if Nintendo stopped making top-down Zelda games altogether, denying fans the option of older-style games like A Link Between Worlds, the remake of Link’s Awakening, etc.
I mean, if you look at early footage of Halo 1, it was going to be an RTS, so its not too far off. But I understand your point.
I was actually going to make the Zelda reference too, or more aptly with Mario, because both Zelda styles play largely the same (excepting Breath of the Wild) whereas 2D and 3D Mario games are very different (collect stars, revisit worlds, more expansive moveset, largely only single player, vs get to the end of the level, linear progression, limited moveset, and usually multiplayer).
NO
I hope you can make a video on the original Resident Evil 3 and show people that the game is not a "cash grab".
This. Every time someone saya that it reuses assets and overall lazy, it drives me crazy. The only assets they reused was the R.P.D. Even the zombie models were original, unlike the remake.
Wait, there are people claiming RE3 was a cashgrab?! I never heard this claim till now
@@YEY0806 UA-camrs like Datrigan, SomeOrdinaryGamers and multiple games journalists have made this claim, which I've never understood.
@Joshua Nelson that's total bullshit. The RE3 original wasn't even ported to multiple systems like RE4 or Skyrim. It's barely respected as a cashcow enough to get an honourable remake because they assumed that people wouldn't care about it that much.
Seriously, by that logic, then RE4 is a cashgrab because Capcom has been taking "how to make cashcow" pages from Bethesda. Another thing that makes that criticism irrelevant is considering the fact that this in an INDUSTRY, games don't make themselves from trees, they are made by talented people who are given money and the company expects a return of greater investment. Those people also need money in order to live their lives. So, every game is made to at least be profitable so that the series can keep going.
@@YEY0806 it's been like that since it first released. I cannot tell you how BS that statement is. Everything before and after the RPD section is all brand new content. It even has gameplay mechanics that RE1 and RE2 don't have.
I don't believe RE1 Remake would have had the timeless appeal that the Gamecube title ended up having. I think that the visual style present in the Gamecube version elevated the experience and gave it a cutting edge appeal that wouldn't have been present had it been developed for the PS2. PS2 is my favorite system but I think Mikami was right when he picked the Gamecube as the vehicle for that era of the series. It was a gamble that didn't initially pay off as much as it should have, but it allowed him and his team to make the best possible games that they could at the time which had a ripple effect today. It's just unfortunate that the wrong lessons were learned.
Keep in mind, while an RE1 remake on PS2 would have probably sold really well, it probably wouldn't have been as good. The Gamecube was a much more powerful system than the PS2 (Look at comparisons between RE4 on the Gamecube vs PS2 to see what I mean) and a lot of specific effects and art design choices would have been changed to to fit the weaker hardware. I'm shocked that RE1 remake came out over 20 years ago because the game as aged like fine wine artistically, thanks in part due to the Gamecube being as strong as it was.
@@Odinsday Exactly!
That's exactly what I'm trying to say, thank you!
It also gave you basically unlimited ammo, gave you easier arenas to fight bosses in, made enemies attacks so telegraphed slowpoke Rodriguez could dodge them, and gave you counter guns because tension is bad.
@Megamax what are you talking sbout? The remake didn't give you unlimited ammo,or that many in the beginning
I am currently in the process of making something very similar to the re4 HD project with the original RE 3 nemesis, it will retain its fixed camera angles and be made with the player models of the umbrella chronicles which are similar in feel to the GameCube remake. I’m about 3 years into this endeavor and am looking forward to releasing it for free in the year 2025 hopefully 🤞🏽
How can I find it?
@@matthewjamescarbonell5972 I concur. I'd love to follow this project!
i bet its gonn alook like straight shit
I'd keep this project on the DL until you finish it so Capcom doesn't send a cease and desist or something. Finish it, upload then tell everyone so people can get it and archive it before capcom tries to take it down.
I've seen too many fan projects get the axe before their prime. Generally because a news outlet blows the project up and the game company notices.
Sounds great. Good luck mate.
I am one of the people that have visited old Res E games because of Res E 4, and I have to say, fell in love with the older formula. Wish there were more masterpieces like them.
Me too. Started with RE1 Remake then bought the og trilogy on ps3. Hooked instantly.
Same
@@Rorschach97 The reason RE 4 is an action game is because the development of RE 4 was extremely troubled. There were about three cool ideas for the game that had to be scraped due to hard ware limitations. After that Shinji didn't want RE 4 be be the exact same thing as RE 1 so a change had to be made.
Wish there were more masterpieces like them. " are you kidding ? there's already the three first games, code veronica, RE0.. the old fashioned fanboys shopuld calm down themselves
@@daegnaxqelil2733CV was more of an action game compared to the other games. And re0 was mediocre as hell. CV was still pretty good though, I will admit.
My introduction to Resident evil was 4 by a friend who was a fan from res 1.
Recently he made me play the original res 3 and now we are gonna play Res 1.
Long story short, you make an excellent point. This happens quite often in videogames and most of the times the change makes the game unrecognizable.
It's funny how close this is to how I first played the series...it all started with RE4, but then I tried RE3 and found myself liking that style of gameplay more than RE4 (as much as I enjoyed it) then I played RE2 and RE1 before getting myself a Gamecube to play RE0 and RE1 Remake.
I started with 4 as well around 2019 when I saw my friend play it on his laptop during school. I thought it was interesting and since I've never played a real horror game before I decided why not at least try it. I played it until the part before Mendez boss fight but then I got busy with school exams and stopped playing.
Then a couple of months later the pandemic happened and I heard about how good the remake for re2 was, so I decided to try the og. And I was hooked right off the bat, though the tank controls did feel weird and I still have trouble moving precisely sometimes (probably because my controller sucks and pressing up sometimes registers left and right).
Re2 made me a fan of the series, it actually has good horror and the tank controls gave a bit of tension because of how clunky it is to move. I also like the metroidvania-like exploration where you find an item and backtrack to progress, something missing from re4.
I'm still confused on how to feel about the change in the series, I like that the series is diverse and there's a type of game for people who enjoy horrors, action, or even just exploring the scenery in the game. RE is probably one of my most favourite franchises now, I just hope they don't make a bad move and release missed opportunities like 6 and 3 remake.
@@Enzed_ Props for going back to the original re2 after having heard about or seen remake2. The original re2 has a very cool style and sound design that got changed significantly in remake, the puzzles and collecting was a lot more involved to get out through the sewer, the 3 medallions to fight Birkin always seemed weird in the remake and then the chess puzzle was toned back too making it a quick exercise, where instead the original had you carrying mostly chess pieces and running w few weapons and no inventory space, or had you backtracking some for them.
Completing the original re2 is such a fun time and felt very very rewarding. It's tricky to master and not very forgiving, if you can start remembering basic layouts and try to start going for A or S ranks, or play to a save point and then reload and do that section better time, that's when it gets the most fun. Most people need more hand holding though, so of course the mostly linear but open layout of re4 is popular.
I liked re2 because of the insane game design playing 2 campaigns to beat the game, and having the 2 characters intersect, the writing is a thing of beauty, and I wish they didn't have to sacrifice it so much like they ended up doing in the remake bc the A B scenario used to be even better than they pulled off in 2019.
Again, props for going and checking out the original, there are tons of good reasons to, even though I really enjoy the 2 remake, if I want to get truly immersed and get the heart racing, I'll play the original re2
@@penguinjay I've beaten re2 like 6 times I think, I even got the A rank on one of them. I decided to try the og games because during the pandemic I only had my old ps2 to play games on cuz my laptop died. I decided to try it out and it became my favourite RE game. I've also gotten more attached to my ps2 since then, I didn't think about it much when I was a kid cuz back then I only watched my brother play games cuz I kinda sucked, now it's my favourite console cuz of the huge library of games that I can't believe I missed out so much on.
The good thing about re2 remake that I enjoyed after getting to play it recently is that it's a blast to speedrun because of how easy it is to learn, I still have trouble with dodging zombies in the og. I've also beaten the remake around 4 times. But I do really miss the proper a b scenario system. The soundtrack is fine cuz there's dlc to change it to the og.
@@Enzed_ I really respect your choice to try the ogs! It’s not often people do that. As a fan since 2000, you have my thanks! Did you try RE3: Nemesis yet?
Beat RE 1 Remake for the first time yesterday. Beat the OG PS1 RE a year or two ago. What a masterpiece, still holds up today.
You're right that RE 2&3 should've gotten GC remakes
Even though I agree on this vid. The thing is that Shinji Mikami himself said countless of times he was tired of the same survival-horror formula. That was why RE4 took so long to be released, and was re-re-re made so many times. Even though CV and Resident evil REmake would have been released on PS2 since the beggining, Shinji Mikame would still have created Resident Evil 4 as the game we know.
Totally. And I'm not saying that shouldn't have happened. RE4 is great the way it is. I'm just saying it didn't HAVE to be that way.
@@underthemayoyeah. That's why I said I totally agree with you. I just wanted to make that point a little bit clearer 😊
Nowhere did Shinji Mikami verbalize that the grueling take on creating a survival horror with zombies, Resident Evil 3.5, was intended for another authentic title, the limitations of the Gamecube would not have allowed it to be released to the general public.
Let's not forget that because Resident Evil 5 was made "preponderant", he vanished and other people surmounted.
re1 remake is still the best game they ever made
It may very well be, it also sold incredibly poorly on its first GameCube release
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This comment section is teaching me that alot of you didn't play anything before Re4 which calls your RE fandom and survival horror knowledge into question.
If you don't know the franchises' roots, how can any of you begin to talk about what kept it alive?
All this does is scare me knowing that this is metaphorically how life works. We have our good era’s and our downfalls and then we must rise up again. That marriage you might have might have its best years and then suddenly something will change and it’s going out of control faster than your ability to do anything about it. This could also apply to your business, job, health, etc. This video is just a metaphor for life and how change is the only constant. Some things last but damn there’s a fine NARROW line on how to get that right the first time.
It’s a game dude
@@willissudweeks1050 the analogy can still apply. if you only see everything in life at face value thats on you bruh.
you could say the same pointless statement about life. its called nihilism. and technically nothing has meaning humans just gave things meaning to cope. So its just life my guy, and in the grand scheme of thing life is just as insignificant as a video game. The sun will die and with it our solar system.
its ok little npc i know you aren't capable of pondering much outside what your corporate and media overlords tell ya.
@@fucksusan.fuckcensorship.874 Mmmm no I actually have a life with depth to it so I don’t have to seek it out from video games haha
@@fucksusan.fuckcensorship.874 Thank you for the psuedo intellectual rant though.
@@willissudweeks1050 if you got to explain to me you have a life on the internet and double comment you clearly dont.
you have a pokemon profile pic and you're acting above people. OK so much more mature being obsessed with kids cartoons.
Ya some depth my guy. about as deep as a puddle.
Resident evil was a big franchise before RE4. What 4 did was start the transition from resource management and survival horror to the action oriented shoot-‘em-up you see in 4-6.
In my unpopular opinion Veronica is definitely my favourite non-numbered RE game and in my top 3 of all RE games.
Your opinion on CV is not so unpopular, it’s the newer fans of the series that made it so controversial. Every old school RE fan I talk to LOVES that one.
Wrong
Stop talking about RE2 and 3 Nemesis remakes in the style of RE1 remake.
You, sir, have NO BUSINESS hurting me like that. Especially RE3 Nemesis. Stop burning my wounds further.
I'm not that high on remakes. I somewhat hate what they do for the most part, actually.
But a RE3 Nemesis remake in the style of RE1 Remake? GIMME DAT. The current RE3 i have can last me this lifetime, but still.
I dreamed of an RE2 and RE3 Remake in the style of RE1 Remake when I was younger. I was so disappointed that we not only didn't get them, but that they also turned RE4 into an action game.
Ig the biggest disappointment with wt u said was butchering 3R even makin RC smaller gameplay wise thn the tiny village in 8,and ofc nemesis...
There was RE 0 so there's that.
@@kickassguy211 Forget RE 0. That game was not good.
@@TitanBolt99 Hey i liked it :D
The other issues with 2&3's remakes is the fact that their original counterparts aren't as easily available compared to re4 copies can get pricey for retro games and the pc ports/emulation aren't exactly casual friendly
You can easily play Og Trilogy on Pc with Classic REbirth patch
@@FIREDAN075 meant for console players or just people that are casual in general I know it’s not hard but it’s still more work than just buying it on steam and playing
In my country (Ukraine) GameCube was basically non-existent. I was very surprised to learn there was a Remake of the original RE, and I was even more surprised to learn it was an exclusive for some console absolutely no one heard about. While EVERYONE played RE games on Playstation, which was a very popular console. After RE3 the series just kinda disappeared.
I experienced a huge feeling of despair for not being able even theoretically get what I wanted. I had to simply deal with it. I felt like I was not invited to the party of my friends, like all the world was able to play games I was unable to, I felt separated and left alone. Which is kinda strange, but yeah, it is what it is.
For some reason PS2 wasn't as popular as PS1 in Ukraine, probably because PC was becoming a much more common and universal tool for gaming, because everything was pirated, including copies of PS1 games sold at stores, but having a computer you didn't even need to buy games, you could just download it, so why buying PS2 and then buying games for it? Games like SH2-3, MGS2-3, RE4 (unlike RE5 which did release on PC) only became accessable to me in 2010s when emulators became a thing for PS2.
People overlook that RE4 was exclusively on GameCube for quite some time as well and outperformed the RE1 remake by a decent bit. That isn’t an excuse that the RE1remake can use. 4 did save the series, I don’t know why it genuinely seeks to hurt people to have to admit that. It doesn’t mean the other games are bad. People just lost interest in the same thing over and over. Shinji Mikami even touched on that when discussing what led to 4’s change in style.
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@@ashleylee364 True.
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Imagine a remake of 2 and 3 like the classic 1....Even today that would sell loads of copies
Resident evil remake on GC was a game changer for me in my teens. Then 0 came out, then 4 in such a small amount of time! It was the best time to be a RE fan until 7 finally came out.
Ew re7 🤢🤮🤮
@@olliejabooty6777ok boomer
I hate the fixed camera angles, feels like Im playing a disabled character or smth
RE2 remade in the same fashion as RE1 is all I ever wanted...
You are absolutely right. Resident Evil Remake is the best game in the series and masterpiece. Just a shame Capcom chose to make Reimaginings of the other games in the series instead of remaking them. If RE2 and RE3 were remade in the early 2000s like the original Resident Evil was then they more than likely would have been faithful remakes and not the reimaginings we got in 2019 and 2020 with cut locations and enemies, changed lore, and removed zapping system and live selection choices. And yes I bought a GameCube just for Resident Evil Remake.
Wrong
In a way it save it. It made it popular once again
Nah, RE2 sold gangbusters. It didn't need "saving"
You may have completely missed the point of the video there. It wouldn't have needed 'saving' in the first place if Capcom had any idea what they were doing on the publishing side.
@@habadasheryjones in 1998 it didn’t need saving. It was the golden era. 2001-2004? Definitely needed it
@@seanylewl I don’t believe fixed camera tank control REs would’ve thrived in the 2000s and into today. It wasn’t just a publishing deal. That’s only one part of it
I'd argure it only introduced non-Resident Evil fans to the series.
100% agree with this. RE4 was actually my first RE when I had a GameCube as a kid, and since then I’ve gone back and actually *prefer* the classic survival horror titles (REmake and Code Veronica being my faves of the entire series)
I hate what’s become of it x3
If you never played RE4 you never would have become a fan of the series. This is what RE4 achieved, it captured a new generation of fans to the series. Gaming companies are not always going to cater to aging fans. They are aware that as players grow up they have less time to spend playing the games and often move on. Their focus is to grab new audiences, I strongly disagree with this video.
@@Bino8724 Yes but like i said the whole point of video wasn't to shame RE 4 or to say that it was not needed,but to say that old school RE was killed off by capcom itself due to their bad decisions rather than dying of the natural age as many people claim it to be
@@Eshanthegreat how can you call it “bad decision making” if the company found insane amount of success at the time and for their future lmao. It’s called taking the company into a new direction when the current path no longer works.
@@Bino8724 I would call it bad decisions because
A) Code Veronica was exclusive to Dreamcast at launch which only sold 9M units in total and when it was released to other platforms the damage was already done not to mention it was not a numbered entery
B)Outbreak games inspite of how ahead of their time they were required an internet connection to get the proper multiplayer experience otherwise you are stuck with dumb partners
C)RE 1 remake was gamecube exclusive inspite of RE being one of the biggest faces of playstation at that time and GameCube inspite of how goated it was,was a commercial failure and also was primarily focused on kid friendly content
D) Similar thing could be applied to RE 0 as stated in above point C
Honestly that makes me question did you even watch the entire video my friend?or just was angry that he said something about RE4
@@Eshanthegreat you are saying they made bad business decisions as you’ve just stated in this paragraph and admitted that they were stagnant heading towards of a decline. UNTIL RE4 SAVED them, which once again is the whole point of the video.
If they were doing bad Becuase of all the reasons you just said and then saw success with RE4 would that not mean that game saved the series? The success was not small by any means and capcom admits that very clearly, so unless you know better than the company itself Who are you arguing with other than yourself?
Like cmon did you or Mayo stop to think about what you were arguing? This video should be titled “how Re4 saved the series after multiple blunders”
So thank you for proving the point unintentionally. 😂
Capcom seems to have clearly needed the money injection from Nintendo. Obviously none of us were there but I'm not sure Sony was willing to go all in on Capcom like Nintendo was. You say an RE2 and 3 Remake would have happened like then as if it's guaranteed.
And you forgot to count the MILLONS of people that played RE games pirated, like the vast majority of South America
I think one of the reasons Shinji Mikami wanted the exclusivities was because, despite being the less successful console, the Gamecube was the most powerful system among the Xbox, PS2, and GC lineup. In fact the system's hardware was the exact reason he and the rest of Capcom wanted to do RE4 and REmake on GC.
Are the reasons understandable? Kind of. They had to make a metric fuck ton of changes to RE4's models, levels, and cutscenes in order to get it working on the PS2 and it's safe to say because of that the PS2 version visually looks the worst out of the other versions on consoles. And Shinji REALLY didn't want REmake to suffer the same fate.
But at the same time if they could get RE4 to work on the PS2, then sacrificing the visuals of REmake shouldn't matter expecially considering we know with the release of RE4 on other consoles post Xbox, PS2, and GC that the visuals of the Gamecube version were eventually used for re-releases with the costumes and modes from the PS2 version getting upscalled to match the GC's visual style alongside being ported with future re-releases.
The same thing could've happened for REmake on PS2, sure the visuals would've taken a big hit and the cutscenes more than likely woud've been replaced with ugly FMVs instead of the gorgeous pre-rendered in-game style ones like with RE4's and their quick-time events, but if it means reaching out more and making more money then the ends justify the means especially if eventual re-releases end up doing what RE4 did as I mentioned.
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Re4 is a fun game but I would argue it killed the series because of the direction it set it in. Theres so many action and adventure games. RE creates a new kind of game. Why abandon that?
No it wasnt
Till this day i still feel like they made a mistake not remaking re2 and re3 the same way they did part 1
Pretty much the only way there would have been a remake of 2 and 3 that was also faithful to the exact gameplay style is if those remakes had come out during the PS2/GameCube/Xbox days where we were close enough to the original releases. But back in 2004, gaming culture wasn’t as remake happy and remaking multiple old RE games in quick succession wouldn’t have been the popular move it is today
The only reason REmake was done in the first place was Mikami felt there was a lot left on the table with the first game, which didn't age gracefully even within a few years of its release. I guess he felt 2 and 3 hit their mark so that's why they left them alone. It would have been nice to see a Remake treatment of those, but he didn't have much of a reason to compared to the first.
Fixed camera games need to come back in the AAA games. There are plenty of indie games using them. I'm just so sick of the 3rd and 1st person perspective. I think capcom screwed up by not working on a fixed camera perspective mode in the 2&3 Remakes.
@@mrskinszszs Yep, there was a very different threshold back then for games “needing” a top down remake vs just upscaling them to run on new consoles. These days even not only are we so far removed in time from a lot of classic games that rebuilding them to modern standards would make them brand new games automatically, but even The Last of Us 1 got remade, which makes the idea of RE 5 and 6 remakes in the near future way less ridiculous than they have any right to be
@@habadasheryjonesthe indie game market has nowhere near the big audience as AAA.
It may not have saved the series, but it saved me
It did
Resident evil 4 changed the game into something new that was alright but even back then I remember wishing they had stayed with static camera angles and focused more on horror.
Same. I actually had a gamecube and I didn't even bother getting RE4 because it looked so action oriented.
@@abstractdaddy1384 don’t get me wrong…4 and 5 are awesome action games. I’ve actually played them a ton. Didn’t care for 6, 7 or 8 at all.
@@999heretic999 7 is so damn good
@@bepohal a lot of people think so but I disagree. Feels like a really outdated shooter and you move super slow. I didn’t like the story and didn’t like Ethan winters as a protagonist. There’s plenty of other horror shooters out there to play. This is my opinion only.
@@999heretic999 i respect your opinion and at the end you like it or you don't. it brought back the magic old RE games created
RE4 saved the series' sales. Which is what matters to Capcom at the end of the day.
Exactly, this video is not objective at all. It’s heavily opinion based with very little financial evidence to back the claims.
@Valentino Titi, I highly recommend reading, Itchy Tasty An Unofficial History of RE. The devs themselves admit RE was declining and becoming stagnant.
This video reminds me of his baloney Halo Ruined FPS games vid from a few years ago. It was a bad take.
Funny enough, I've agreed with his Alien Isolation and RE Village reviews lol. But yeah, it was predictable that RE4 2005 haters were gonna love RE4 2023 for making it more RE2 2019. They will never forgive RE4 for ditching the formula. They never will.
It really didnt though. It only sold that much because of the infinite re-releases.
The remake would have probably made closer numbers if it got the same amount of ports.
@@Gruntvc agreed, these are older fans who grew up with a specific style of gameplay they simply do not want to let go of. They don’t care that the 30yr old fan wants it to be like the original, this video sums up most of those fans.
Because people never buy crap products in droves? NFL and COD games sell millions every year and those games are terrible.
Lets also remember that this Capcom you're defending was only years away from tanking every single franchise it had with either dubious Western influences, phoned in gameplay or both.
As someone that played them all as they came out, my personal favs were 1 and 2. 3 was more of the same, 4 had some great mechanics and while I don't mind the campiness and outlandish plot, part of what Ioved about the original was the more real (for a zombie game) concept and especially the fact that your character was not some superhuman badass.
The slower pace made it feel like your character actually had to take their time to aim and enemies were lethal up close, no roundhouse kicks or piledrivers. Then the enemies were realistic, mostly normal creatures mutated by the BOW with a few engineered ones who broke free.
I still love all the games but would love to know what could have been if they stayed truer to the originals in terms of scale, atmosphere and theme.
Dude, I’m with you. The og trilogy was heavily inspired by 70s 80s zombie and sci fi flicks down to their soundtracks. There’s no other games that I’ve seen that do that. Woulda been cool to see them cultivate it.
I refused to buy 4 for the reasons you mentioned. Now I see all these nu RE4 fans shitting on the r4make that actually brought many concepts of original first 3 titles back and just smh.
Back in 2002, I got the gamecube simply to play Resident Evil Remake
As much as I love the style of 4, I never thought of the original style of games as losing its touch
code veronica made me question it a bit though to be honest....that game had terrible design..that one was one and done for me
@Ultraman619 can't argue that. Honestly my mind didn't even go there-i didn't have a dreamcast at that time so I played remake and zero long before I touched cv
@@jimmyrolls37 didnt cv come to the gamecube later
@Jimmeh Rulez yeah but it wasnt easiest game to find, nor were re2 and re3 on gamecube. Plus at like $40 each, a Hugh school kid with no job can only buy so many games lol. So, I didn't have it on gamecube
@@JimmehRulez although I do have a copy of it now lol
You should start a petition to remake original RE2 and 3 in the same style as RE1 remake
Where do I sign?
Man you just ruined my day, thinking that there could be remakes like RE1 but with RE 2, 3 and CV makes me want to die. good video btw
My only beef with RE4 is, and always has been, the lack of actual Zombies.
That's the reason I liked it more, I was getting really bored of generic zombies.
@@rolyatkcirfoksamrorreteht4068 Then play, another, series.
Purchased a GameCube just for REmake and 100% agree that remakes of 2 and 3 would have happened if they were released on PS2. Action style is what they always wanted and I am so glad that crashed and burned for them in RE6 allowing them to go back to survival horror. I love RE2make since they seem to finally find the perfect balance between action and horror. Don't hate me but I 2005 RE4 is very low on my RE list of favorites (cutscene QTE and Ashley being main reasons) but RE4make instantly became one of my top RE titles. Like a lot of people out there I really hope Code Veronica gets the same kind of love in the future. Steve being the number 1 opportunity for improvement and Alfred to be made into a (still villain) but tragic character
If they do a remake they need to get alyson court back to do the voice of Claire Redfield.
I didn't like the new voice actress for Claire in the re2 remake
I would love to have Alyson back, I didn't think Stephanie (or "James" ReRev2) did a bad job at all. My brain just automatically tries to hear Alyson everything Claire talks. Capcom seems to be going for non union actors who can do motion capture and dialog, Alyson is union and I don't think she does mocap
@@rjkolbe82 Mikami said that he was not a fan of Sony pushing the DVD format, as it was outside the realm of gaming. Which is why he trusted Nintendo.
@@orangeslash1667 I also suspect he likley knew he could get better quality graphical results on the Gamecube over the PS2
WRONG.
I had the exact issue you described with RE1R being hardlocked to a Gamecube. Working class family in coastal New Zealand, lack of availability, rare to see anyone with a Gamecube, almost every other person I knew had a PS1 and/or PS2 though. Born in 1995 so I couldn't exactly save up to purchase the console with RE1R. It was always something I was constantly aware of, maintaining a mythic status where I sporadically saw posters, old advertisements, etc. I still played the original RE1 despite not knowing how to progress further than the first few floors, it honestly might have been one of the first video games I ever played. If the remake was available on PS2 I definitely would have rented/begged my parents to buy it despite not being in that perceived demographic of who the title was marketed towards. I never had the money to own RE4, I still remember having a chest infection at the age of 11/12 and blasting through a rented copy in a matter of days. It was the only RE title I'd ever actually finished at that point.
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I hear this same stupid take of "RE4 saved it" everytime some youngster wants to bad mouth the classic fixed camera games. I saw it alot on Mayo's open letter to Capcom. Do these idiots honestly think that Capcom made 3 games plus spin offs of a series that was dying or unprofitable? Do they know how game businesses work?
Theres that dumb take and theres the "tank controls are outdated/too difficult for modern players," which is just a bold faced lie. It takes getting used to but tank controls aren't insurmountable especially in an era where people seem to outwardly enjoy difficult games.
It's kinda funny because, RE4 had tank controls too and honestly while responsive, I would say it was trash lol
Like a lost toy in a different play pen, it strangely felt right at home with fixed cam tho
@@danielgeronimo5538 Yea the fact that RE4 has tank controls gets glazed over by so many is pretty amusing.
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@@blackmendosa WRONG.
@@firestrikeriii5043 You press left to turn left, you press right to turn right, you press up/forward to go forward and back to go backwards. It is literally tank controls just like the previous RE games. The only difference is that it has an over the shoulder camera instead of a fixed perspective.
I'm sorry that you're mentally impaired and can't understand simple concepts.
You forgot to mention that Resident Evil 1 Remake HD Remaster sold more than the GameCube version did.
Well, I showed it.
@@underthemayo sorry, I missed heard it. Could you show me the timestamp, so I won't have to rewatch it again, please?
NOT.
Great video as always and you pretty much said what I have been telling people for years in regards to sales and that crappy exclusivity deal that ruined the sales of RE1 Remake (and I'd also argue RE0)
My only disagreement with you is about how the series would have looked like have Capcom NOT botched the marketting of RE1 Remake with the exclusivity deal....I don't think that RE4 in it current state would have been a thing...instead I'd argue it would be closer to the scrapped RE4 demo (aka RE 3.5) and the series wouldn't too actionized as it did.
However, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that we may have gotten a third person shooter in the style of RE4, just not under the "Resident Evil" name.
It wasnt crappy and it didnt ruin anything. This video sucks.
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@@firestrikeriii5043 Calm your tits.
Secondly, it did ruin survival horror and the video is indeed on point with that.
RE4 is a great game in it's own right, sure and I still love it (and I enjoyed the remake even more)...but it's not a survival horror game and if you're gonna deny that it is an action game with horror themes, they you either never experienced a survival horror game before or you're just a young gamer that only cares for horror themed action games and confuse them with survival horror (and I am not saying that in a disrespectful way).
I am more than happy to have a civil discussion, but only if you drop the attitude and we can start over.
Unfortunately I don’t think you could’ve done RE1R on the PS2. The main reason the GameCube was chosen was because it was stronger than the PS2 in terms of performance. Just look at the port of RE4 to PS2. Lower resolution, looks worse, and can’t even have in engine cutscenes, hence why they never upscaled Separate Ways in its re-releases. With how good RE1R looks it would’ve been a lot of effort, so combined with the already hellish dev time of 4, it just seems it would not have happened. Not to mention 0 was already treading the line of tolerance people had with that classic formula. And CV is definitely mainline, as it’s plot directly affects 4 via Separate Ways and 5. And lastly if RE1R and 0 were as successful, Mikami stated the series wouldn’t have ended up in the state it is now, so we would not have gotten the RE4 we had, which is a catch 22 due to how important RE4 really is.
Without RE4, we probably wouldn't have gotten Dead Space and other excellent 3rd person action games. I'd hate to live in the timeline.
Now if you asked me there was a different timeline where Gearbox actually made an excellent 10/10 Aliens Colonial Marines? Heck Yeah, let's a go.
@@Gruntvc I'd trade every single Dead Space game for more classic survival horror and I like Dead Space. Its a fair trade if you've been gaming for long enough to appreciate classic survival horror. Honestly we could use less action games.
In fact a timeline where Dead Space is a classic fixed camera experience instead sounds awesome.
@@habadasheryjones it’s more than Dead Space though. Batman Arkham, the Last of Us, Uncharted, Gears of War, Soulsborne games, etc. Every game with a 3rd person camera all root back to RE4. As Pat from SBFP put it, nothing played like it and it felt from the future.
So, it did save the series... not because the games were bad, but because Capcom was stupid af. Either way the game did save the series, not from itself, but from Capcom itself. Just a fact.
I never understood why people preferred or liked RE4 over RE1,2, or 3. Nothing about it is special to me unlike RE2 or RE1
EVERYTHING about it is special
100% agree. No fucker had a game cube back in the day. Fortunately i had a friend who had one and was into resident evil as much as i was. So i used to go round to his and we would play re1 remake/ re4 for hours! Good times
EVERYONE had a gamecube
Not only the sales of CODE Veronica, REmake, and Zero were terrible, Shinji Mikami himself stated several times that the sales of REmake, the one of those three he directed, sold so poorly that it was the reason why he completely reinvented the franchise.
I like your videos, Mayo, but sometimes you straight up talk from your ass only to be a contrarian.
And this ladies and gentlemen is how to completely ignore every detail in a video.
Lmao by god how about actually refute his points then. Cause he brought up Veronica case as an example of why it sold poorly at first. Remake sold poorly, BECAUSE OF THE GAMECUBE.
@@underthemayo 😂
Well, Mikami certainly did say that was the reason but in hindsight, he was also incredibly stubborn and actually could've killed the franchise if Capcom honored that exclusivity deal. Actually watch the man's video or if you have, watch it again because I think the points Mayo made must've went right over your head.
Imagine accusing someone of talking out of their ass while looking like a complete god damn fool that replied after looking at the title alone.
*The opinion of A Real fans of resident evil*
NOT.
so it did save the series, obviously. thanks for the bait.
I think the issue with these types of conversations generally is that "saving" a series is a pretty ambiguous claim to begin with ha. Resident evil 4 certainly changed the series radically in terms of gameplay and combat (certainly for the better in my opinion) but in that sense you can also say that it killed the series as it once was from the fixed camera angle design. Commercially there is no denying it had explosive sales and probably moved the series higher up in terms of priority for Capcom. What Resi4 managed to do was bring in this massive patchwork of audience demographics all playing the game and enjoying it for slightly different reasons. For example I play resi4 as an action beat em' up style game, and so I don't really play the earlier resi games as I'm not into survival horror. But resi 4 does have survival horror elements as well, so those fans also enjoy the game. I think a more accurate claim is that Resi4 made the series more commercially viable, as the sales data reflects that clearly. But I agree that it's not like if Resi4 flopped that capcom would abandon the franchise entirely, it probably would have just been less frequent releases like we see with DMC.
Nice to see you here, man. I know we disagree hard on RE4 remake and that's totally fine, we're adults. This video, yeah, it's just about the narrative that the change to action horror was NECESSARY. Not if it was bad or not. I love RE4, I'm fine with the action direction. It's always just bugged me everytime I hear about how "RE had to change, just look at the REmake sales."
I'm not convinced that RE would be as successful if they stuck to the fixed camera style of the original trilogy. Sure, it would probably get critical praise, but Capcom knows that the big numbers are gonna come from the crowd that just to shoot things with a more modern 3rd person over the shoulder or first person view. People who love the survival horror-ness of the games are a lot more few and far between.
And I, personally, can't complain about it. After all, it's because of RE4 and it's success that we got the Dead Space series, which is my personal favorite horror franchise. However, it would be nice if Capcom would continue to acknowledge that fans of the original style existed and made more games or remakes using that style, kind of like how they're doing both first-person RE games and 3rd person RE4 style games. There are fans of both styles so it makes sense to cater to each of them, at least to me. Kind of like how there are fans of 2D Metroid games and fans of the 1st person Prime series. Why not do both? Or in this case, all three.
To hell with just the PS2, slap those remakes of 2 and 3 on the OG Xbox as well.
RE4 is actually what made me take a break from the franchise. I loved 1-3 and CV. I didn't care for the added action they put in 4. It also seemed more cartoony compared to the originals. As I'm playing RE4 Remake, even though I'm enjoying it I can't help but compare it to RE2 Remake...
Good video man.
I think the history of RE has always been: Capcom does "something" (usually business and trend oriented), and fans defend it to death, and put a positive spin on it.
Capcom does away with old cameras and goes for more action? Fans: it was needed, they saved the dying formula.
Capcom turns 5 and 6 into crazy michael bay: Fans: ofc its an action series with superheroes now, the characters grew and became experts and it can't be just zombies and small contained locations all the time!
Capcom releases Revelations 1 & 2 in most platforms: Fans: there you go! now the revelations series can be the horror RE series, and the main entries can continue with the action
Capcom announces RE2R after public demand. Fans: YES! WE DO IT! MAKE IT JUST LIKE RE1R!!!
Capcom shows RE2 isn't much of a remake after all: Fans: OMG LOOK AT THOSE GRAPHICS AND ZOMBIES!, fixed cams suck anyway, they were obsolete!
Capcom releases the reimagining of RE2. Fans: it's supposed to be new and modern! duh!, they can't bring back those terrible old controls and cameras, get up with the times!
Capcom destroys RE3R in nearly every way possible. Fans: Its fine! RE3 og was already short, and more action focused than 2 and just a spinoff, and nobody liked it as much as the others anyway, we should be thankful they did it at all!
Capcom shows and releases RE8. Fans: boobs! vampires! werewolves! boobs!, horror? nah RE7 was too scary, 8 has the best things of 4 now, its a shooter, it has a merchant and weapon upgrades.
Capcom releases RE4R: Fans: incredible! perfect! the best game ever made! RE4 og sucked anyway! and this new one is all serious and realistic and dark and scary!!! no more dumb things! absolutely NOTHING WAS LOST! EVERYTHING IS BETTER!
Capcom does terrible new OSTs: Fans: bro if you like the old music that much just buy the DLC from the remakes and that's it! you should be thankful they sell it to you, it shows how much they care for the old ones.
While some of these dumb pseudo-arguments were invented by fans, sometimes capcom execs and devs invent them first or keep them going. It's a beautiful symbiotic relationship.
BREAKING NEWS: "The fifth new GameSpot show is How It Saved. The series is hosted by GameSpot senior producer Dave Klein, and it documents how specific games have pulled franchises back from the brink, or in some cases, how they help game studios stay up and running. The first episode airs May 7 and is called "How Resident Evil 4 Saved Resident Evil."
what a coincidence
LMAO! I feel somewhat like a hypocrite cause I do love a lot of Capcom franchises but I cannot stand Capcom fanboys.
Man I want to live in the alternate timeline where Capcom didn’t sabotage RE1 remake’s sales.
that's the alternate timline you want to live in?
@@SKOMEpocets fucking yes
@@blueb0mber87 Shinji Mikami said that he run of ideas of how to push the series forward, and didn’t want to do the same thing again. So he chose to do something different With Re 4.
@@orangeslash1667 there’s a right way and a wrong way to do something new.
@@blueb0mber87 RE 4 had a very rough development, Shinji and his team wanted Re 4 to be the scariest game yet, but no matter how hard they tried their ideas kept getting held back by hardware limitations. Re 4 is pretty much plan D.
By the time RE Zero was finished, it's been said that some of the staff was so bored
😫😫 working on RE that they asked to be transferred to other projects. This gave Shinji a reason to due what ever it takes to make RE4 a hit.
Get this when Capcom announced that RE 4 was ported to the ps2, Shinji was so extremely upset that might consider quitting Capcom, which he did.
He also stated that the reason he created God Hand is because he was so extremely burned out by RE.
Does anyone really think that? The movies just came out then, the IP was probably the most well known on a general scale than ever.
And gamers were hyped for the nightmare and hookman versions. I feel like the opposite idea is nore prevalent, that RE4 started a trend that almost ruined the franchise with RE5 and RE6.
It didnt ruin it
As a fan of the originals I disagree immensely. Even among us the fans the formula was getting stale by the time outbreak released. As much as I loved outbreak jank and all, if the series remained the way it was I like many others would have jumped ship. Sales don't mean much, player sentiment does, and the sentiment at the time was it needed something new.
I solely blame it on over saturation. Capcom loves to flood the market. I think they would have got more sales if they just released these games two or three years apart from each other. RE 4 would have suffered the same fate if it had been released a year later after code veronica.
The hard truth to face is that a lot of people do bully RE5 as the starting point for the "downfall" of the series as it starts to take the series more towards an action focused, over the top action shooter with some horror themes injected in. There are some people willing to forgive it as it is still an enjoyable game (Multiplayer at least.)
Then there's 6 which is just.. an absolute shit festival of really delving into absurd action and can't decide if it wants to try and be horror (Leon/Helena) or action-drama (Chris/Piers) or just.. action (Jake/Sherry). 6 is an absolutely insufferable game to trudge through but can be made fun with a good co-op partner and a combined sense of humour.
But RE4 was really the first game to take the game in a more action direction and really ramped up the camp. Compared to the two I mentioned prior it does have its fair share of horror moments spread throughout the game, even if the more you play then the less frequent they are. But they're still there. But there are a lot of people who are ignorant either intentionally or not to the fact that RE4 was really the beginning of the series' decent into wacky action antics but sometimes you just can't take the rose tinted glasses off.
The recent Remake for RE4 while having a *lot* more of a darker atmosphere and taking itself a lot more seriously still suffers the same issues of the original and that is the action camp kicking in real early with the occasional horror bits sprinkled in.
Horror is subjective of course but people shouldn't act ignorant to the fact that RE4 is truly the wacky descent into what the series eventually evolved into, not RE5 which was in my opinion pretty inoffensive since it really stuck close to the tone of RE4.
I've been literally saying the same thing for like 15 years (or however long people have been making this stupid claim).
I have been saying this for years!!! Oh, my God, dude! Someone finally made a video about it!! People always talk about Resident Evil 4 being a masterpiece as if it saved the franchise, while actually it was responsible for ruining it and turning it into an action horror IP.
You can see a funny version of this playing out with the Final Fantasy devs saying that they needed to change and to move away from Turn Based JRPG gameplay, because it was outdated and doesn't sell, so they pivoted more and more away from it, until they'd somehow pivoted all the way around to making a "Character Action" game, which is a genre so niche there's literally only one successful series in it... because I guess, that's a better selling proposition than their traditional JRPG format.
Meanwhile, traditional turn based JRPGs have continued to be some of the biggest sellers of all time throughout all the time since.
i so badly wish we got re2 and 3 remakes on gamecube. every time i see that area from re2 in re0 it makes me want re2 in that engine so bad.
i think re2 remake is highly overrated. i played through it once with leon then once with claire, and that 2nd playthrough was so boring for me that i had no desire to ever look at it again after that, and never had the desire to play re3 remake at all, and i haven't.
if we had re2 and 3 remakes in the same engine as re1r and 0, i have no doubt i would have played through each of them at least a dozen times by now and never would have felt as bored with them as i did playing through re2 remake twice.
You say Resident Evil is independent of genre trends, yet Re4 contains many quick time events in their cut-scenes. Something not present in the remake, because it's not a popular convention these days.
RE4 was the beginning of Resident Evil‘s death. From RE4 on it became an action game in third person instead of mystery solving horror adventures.
Let’s be honest re3 was already the beginning of action RE. We just like to blame it on re4 instead
Even folks back in the day had issues with re3 like this
@@MILDMONSTER1234 If you play 3 nemesis on easy and start with the assault rifle I agree that it feels actiony but you still can't kill everything in the game with the ammo you get. Thats really the issue with 4 as a survival horror game. You can blow everything away in Re4 because you always have ammo to kill everything, making it an action game.
As much ammo as you get in 3 you still have to play smart because its not enough to kill everything, especially if you plan on fighting Nemesis the whole time.
@@habadasheryjones I don’t necessarily mean the amount of ammo, but the fact that killing is the main thing in the game. At least it feels like it. In RE1, RE2 and 3 and also CV it feels more like solving mysteries and solve puzzles. And killing is just a side effect, because of the virus.
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Let's be real honest but Resident Evil was always Action horror from the first place, Resident Evil 4 lost the meaning.
Wrong
Whenever i hear that Resident evil needed to change because it was "outdated" i just imagine a kid who plays fortnite all day.
It really sucks when people say a franchise is dead because it refuses to change. If you look at some franchises, they ended in failure because there was too much change.
*Sees video*
Wait until he finds out how Capcom did the SAME thing with Megaman and Street Fighter.
I think that one Spinoff you should take in consideration is Outbreak and it failing on Sony hardware. Maybe they did consider that idea of keeping both styles.
But yeah, really sad we never got the R3make we deserved and a RE2 remake like the first
Broooo, not having RE2 and RE3 in the gamecube's remake format, still haunts me to this day. What a waste....
I was a Nintendo fan boy and GameCube owner when the Resident Evil 1 remake was released. It was the first time I ever played a Resident Evil game. I was blown away by it. Later when Resident Evil 4 came out I was completely disappointed.
Man, you could straight talk about garbage for HOURS and I still love watching your video! Great video as always!
Facts. I love his voice 😍
RE4 turned the whole 3rd person view genre upside down and revolutionised RE series. For a 2005 game it’s on a whole another level to this day it’s one of the best games I’ve ever played I have the ps4 version on ps5 now and I’m replaying it right now it’s still as good as it was before buying the remake next week
RESIDENT EVIL: Operation Raccoon City saved capcom from bankruptcy
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How did I miss this video. I've been saying this for years. It's such a no brainer. Capcom killed classic RE. There's no way around it.
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Agreed on all points.
I knew maybe one kid back then with a GameCube. Everyone has a PS2.
I never even got to play that remake until they released it on PS4.
ALL FALSE
RE 2 got me into the franchise. RE4. Is a good game but also very different to the other games before.
The reason I always saw for this idea that re4 saved the franchise is 4-fold. The first being it's a convenient excuse for capcom to have for their mismanagement of the franchise from all those lackluster spin-offs between 3 and 4. The second being re4 is one of the most influential games of all time and having it have the story of being reworked from the ground up 3 or 4 times until shizza had it just right gives it an even bigger story to be a part of as a underdog that beat the odds. the third being it was the most accessible of the series for a long time everybody and their mother had a ps2 and wii so there was always a good way to introduce people to the series from it and give the speech. And it only got easier with the rereleases for any current console or pc. the fourth and easiest thing is that people want to erase this idea that 4 split the fans back in the day idk if anyone even recalls but I remember alotta people praising the og games over 4 for doing horror better and vice versa for 4 being more fun to play because of the gunplay meanwhile I was somewhere else replaying REmake and 4 not caring about fan arguments that went nowhere.
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Really well done video. I started with 0 the beginning of this year and worked my way up to 4 remake. 0 and 1 were rough at first but I loved what I was experiencing. 2 and 3 remakes were really fun and even though there was more action, at least 2 had some of the charm with puzzles. Code Veronica was interesting cause it through it back to the old style which I had become accustomed to. Now that I’m on 4 remake I’m struggling hard to enjoy it. The action is balls to the wall and it has a completely different vibe to it than any of the other entries I’ve played so far. Not to mention I lowkey suck at it on standard difficulty…