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@@randomt800kiddo2 this video is not objective at all. This is personal opinion with very little evidence to support it arguments. Just because he spoke for 20 minutes doesn’t mean the points were relevant. Name one company in the industry that has been successful for decades without adapting or progressing the product. RE4 grabbed the newer market share that it’s previous games we’re not, the series might not have been dying but it was beginning to stagnate which is a leading indicator of decline in market share. the 3rd person POV alone set the industry standard for every other 3rd person game and capcom was applauded by its peers in the industry. In terms of audience these gaming companies understand that appealing to the kid who played your game 15 years ago is not going to have the same time to invest as an adult, they are looking to capture younger and newer audiences this is basic for most entertainment companies. I sympathize with this creators wishes to relive and play the same style of Resident evil in his adolescence but unfortunately business does not care. The point of business is too grow and make the most amount of profit as possible, RE4 successfully did that at the time which is why capcom put so much effort into remaking RE4 compared to 2 & 3, they understand the impact the game had for the series and it’s audience who played the original is still young enough or at that age where they have the money and time (ages 18-25). The OG RE4 is old but not as old as the other instalments to the series. This video does not come from a objective business perspective. It’s weak argument with a controversial title to bring in views for his channel.
I don't understand channels like this that exist purely to drum up drama. Like you freaks know exactly what you're doing with your clickbait titles and then act surprised when people call out your bullshit. In any event, I found another subpar content "creator" to put on the ignore list.
@@diamondgirls6541 It *would* be bad though. Not as a game, of course. I'm sure it'd be fun for the newbies out there. But fixed camera has been misunderstood lately. The fear/uncertainty it induced would be gone. *Cut* *content.* The Jill we know and love would be replaced with this angry "badass" woman in a Jill costume. And don't even get me started on the remake of a remake of a remake rabbit hole. It'd basically be spitting in the face of it's origins. But sure...it'd probably be fun...
Back in 2002, I also bought a Gamecube for the sole reason of playing the RE 1 remake. I was overseas in Iwakuni, Japan at the time, serving in the Marines. I bought the Gamecube and RE remake from this little mall on base. Not only was RE remake amazing, but I also discovered a few other memorable Gamecube games. Metroid Prime, for example. That game was *so* good!
I didnt play the remake of the 1st one until 2019 and it became my favourite immediately. The fact that 20 years after its release it blows people away on first playing it is really saying something
Don't actually do that for me (there always would ppl like me😂) but i still liked it! (Platinum Trophy i got tho) but for me still Og Re2 is just Fantastic 😍
@@Jose-se9pu But it was selling. That's why they had a fuckton of spin-off's like Megaman back then. I think people have this weird idea that every game needs to make MCU or Ragnoroak number's to be a success but enterly overlook how much the actual cost of the entertainment is. Shit like Ragnorok or MCU films rake in massive amounts of cash, but they also gamble hard with large bloated investments. Content like that NEED to sell by the hundred millions just to make even. RE followed the strategy of "humble investments, larger porfits" a strategy much of horror in general goes for. And that often works.
@@roble8943 not the re1 remake, it was not selling well, at release. It was supposed to be the rebirth of the survival horror, but was a failure. I am sure being a gamecube exclusive was the reason, but Mikami himself said that it not selling well pushed them to action games.
That’s why no RE game “killed” the series outside of Resident Evil 6. RE6 was universally hated by both RE fans and general mainstream audiences that Capcom was left in a dire and difficult state for Resident Evil. It wasn’t until 7 came back and redefined the series back to its original survival horror routes. 6 was so bad… it pulled the plug on the series for FIVE YEARS
Bro, I've been waiting to hear someone say this shit! They released REmake exclusively for one of the worst selling consoles of its time...then acted surprised at the low sales. Then a decade and a half later, when it was remastered for ALL MODERN SYSTEMS, it fucking broke capcom digital sales records. Like no fucking dah...
Not only did they refuse do remake 2 and 3 the way they did 1, they went after the fans that were trying to develop fan-made remakes that they were planning to distribute for free.
Some of those RE 2 fan remakes look a bit more interesting to me than the official Capcom-created RE 2 Remake, to be honest. Much like the recent Dead Space remake, these fan-made RE 2 remakes were incredibly faithful to the original RE 2, while only giving the graphics a major upgrade. The official RE 2 remake is fantastic and I had a lot of fun with it, but I really *REALLY* would love to play one of those fan-made RE 2 remake projects.
I've never heard of this in my life. I've only heard of a over the shoulder fan reimagining of RE2, and Capcom flew the team over to Capcom Japan to get an exclusive look at the official RE2 remake. Source for your claims?
@@friendofp.24 The guys that were making the RE2 fan remake where developers from Italy. They got ceased and desisted by Capcom for making the remake. Seeing as Capcom already started developing RE2 Remake soon after, the developers then used the assets they had for their fan prohect and made Daymare 1998
At least Capcom tried to make amends with the fans going the opposite direction with the RE4 HD project. Not only it allowed them to continue but pinned the fan-made texture package in their original Resident Evil 4 page in Steam.
I don't think CV should be considered a spinoff, it was designed as a mainline game and it plays like one and has main characters in it. Hell, I bought a DC when they were cheap in part so I could play CV, much like I ended up doing with a GC for 4.
cv isn't a spin-off. it is/was label as such but is, also according to capcom, a mainline game. kids will never understand and aren't able to do a 20 seconds research
I'm so happy to see people push back against this narrative after all this time. It was really insufferable from 2003-2019, games journalists were presenting it as a basic fact of the universe that no one wanted to play traditional survival horror games and we were saved by RE4's action focus, or, worse, those Amnesia/Outlast hide and seek games.
@@Weyland_PunaniShinji Mikami said that he run of ideas of how to push the series forward, and didn’t want to do the same thing again. So he chose to do something different.
The Amnesia/Outlast games added something of their own to survival horror games, it was just oversaturated then on by many poor quality versions. Amnesia and Outlast prioritized horror as where Resident Evil was somewhat then abandoned it for action. The fact REVII followed suit shows just how impactful Amnesia or more so Outlast, was leading up to.
Amnesia isn't really a stealth horror game, that's the big lie. It's pretty much just a gothic horror adventure game. The stealth stuff is just to psych you out. It's not scary or horrific, it's just dreadful and spooky. You know, not really something for an adrenaline junky but I love it since I'm more intrigued by the lore and atmosphere of horror games than scares. I hate screamers.
One thing to also note is that OG RE2 had a massive marketing/ad campaign which helped its success too. If I'm not mistaken I don't remember the following titles having this at least to the extent of RE2's.
Beat RE 1 Remake for the first time yesterday. Beat the OG PS1 RE a year or two ago. What a masterpiece, still holds up today. You're right that RE 2&3 should've gotten GC remakes
RE4 was literally the RE that started destroying the franchise, not by the story but by the gameplay, focused more on the action than on the horror, the worst thing is that the original game sold practically nothing. And the following RE followed the same ideas, which as we know were the worst REs in the franchise... almost the franchise died, RE7 saved the franchise because it went back to its origin: Terror. The RE7 is the 2nd best-selling RE in the franchise!
Capcom: puts their remake of an old-style survival horror game on a console typically marketed to younger consumers that’s lagging behind in sales compared to its competitors, and proceeds to not port it to any of those competitors Remake: doesn’t sell well Also Capcom: 😮
Dude these videos are so important. I’m not even an OG survival horror fan but I would love to see RE fans get official 2 & 3 artistic remasters (that maybe add stuff and DO NOT delete content) before I die. You guys deserve it.
Huh, this is honestly the first time I've ever heard about this sentiment. Like everyone know's RE 4 was a massive sucess that helped create a new genre and drastically shift the direction of RE for years but "save" it? From what? Even when it wasn't as big as it was up to that point RE was one of Capcom's most sucessful IP's ever only really behind Street Fighter. The hype was slightly dying down by then cause the last mainline game, Nemesis, was 5-6 years old at that point and the IP was surviving off spin-off games of varying quality. Saying RE 4 "saved" RE is like saying Breath of the Wild "saved" Zelda. Massive influential games sure but the IP was doing perfectly fine both quality and profit wise.
Yes but for how much longer would they have been successful? That’s what this video fails to address from a business perspective. Companies that fail to progress stay stagnant, there becomes a lack of growth. RE4 was THAT game which brought that growth back to the series. To add to this, gaming companies are not interested in only pleasing their older fan base. These companies understand as people age they tend to get busy with life and do not have the time to spend playing these games as much, thus leading to the consumer becoming less engaged with content. The goal is to target new audience bases and figure out how to keep that cycle going. Not to mention RE4 set the industry standard on the 3rd person POV. If a company is setting industry standards it’s is considered a success by its peers. I sympathize with this creator because he is an OG fan and he wants what he got from his childhood, but unfortunately business demands otherwise. You either adapt, or die. That is business, at least for this industry.
@@Bino8724 The whole reason as to why those games failed is because of the bad decisions and exclusivity deals made by capcom. Mayo never argued that RE 4 was unnecessary or never made series even more popular in the first place his whole point was against those people who use the success of RE 4 and lackluster sales of other 6th gen titles to say "RE was dying". As to why RE 4 came out the way it did,it's not because of desperation for newer audience but out of an intent to shift the direction because the team itself was already burnt out on classic formula not because of sales but because they have already perfected,improved and innovated on their design to a point where no amount of gimmicks would have prevented formula from going stale. In short,the whole point of video was "RE 4 didn't saved the series,but it made it even more popular than it already was".
@@Eshanthegreat so then you agree that if not for RE4 the series’s would go stale, which in almost all circumstances leads to decline is profits, market share and overall growth. It’s quite clear RE4 saved the company from financial crisis which is something yourself and even capcom mentioned.
@@Rihcterwilker It failed because it released exclusively to the purple lunchbox. Why do you think a ps2 port of RE4 was out not even a year after its release? Because that gamecube install base was crap. Re1 remake sold really well when they re released on everything around 2014. Almost like getting it off desert gamecube island was exactly what RE1 Remake needed.
For a fan of survivor horror games, it's so heartbreaking to hear this narrative for so much years that people aren't all that interested in horror games anymore, and wanted more action focused stuff. All because and bad deal between Capcom and Nintendo.
@@EggEnjoyer Re 4 had an extremely troubled development. The team wanted to make the game scarier than before, but due to hardware limitations about 3 ideas were scraped. So because Shinji Mikami was tired of Re formula he made it more action based.
This video describes what I don't like about a lot of sequels that go in a different direction. It's not that the new direction is bad, it's that the original style wasn't continued. The RE2 remake is fine, but it's a different game set in the same story. Like if Halo 1 was remade in the style of Halo Wars.
I would not quite go that far, since I feel the differences between an Action-Shooter and an RTS game are more vast. Those are, compared to the differences between a Survival Horror built around cinematic fixed cameras and a Survival Horror built around an over-the-shoulder camera. I might instead compare it to a scenario, where Nintendo decided to remake TLoZ: A Link to the Past, only to ditch the classic top-down perspective in favor of the camera system in TLoZ: Ocarina of Time. Not only that, it would be like if Nintendo stopped making top-down Zelda games altogether, denying fans the option of older-style games like A Link Between Worlds, the remake of Link’s Awakening, etc.
I mean, if you look at early footage of Halo 1, it was going to be an RTS, so its not too far off. But I understand your point. I was actually going to make the Zelda reference too, or more aptly with Mario, because both Zelda styles play largely the same (excepting Breath of the Wild) whereas 2D and 3D Mario games are very different (collect stars, revisit worlds, more expansive moveset, largely only single player, vs get to the end of the level, linear progression, limited moveset, and usually multiplayer).
My introduction to Resident evil was 4 by a friend who was a fan from res 1. Recently he made me play the original res 3 and now we are gonna play Res 1. Long story short, you make an excellent point. This happens quite often in videogames and most of the times the change makes the game unrecognizable.
It's funny how close this is to how I first played the series...it all started with RE4, but then I tried RE3 and found myself liking that style of gameplay more than RE4 (as much as I enjoyed it) then I played RE2 and RE1 before getting myself a Gamecube to play RE0 and RE1 Remake.
I started with 4 as well around 2019 when I saw my friend play it on his laptop during school. I thought it was interesting and since I've never played a real horror game before I decided why not at least try it. I played it until the part before Mendez boss fight but then I got busy with school exams and stopped playing. Then a couple of months later the pandemic happened and I heard about how good the remake for re2 was, so I decided to try the og. And I was hooked right off the bat, though the tank controls did feel weird and I still have trouble moving precisely sometimes (probably because my controller sucks and pressing up sometimes registers left and right). Re2 made me a fan of the series, it actually has good horror and the tank controls gave a bit of tension because of how clunky it is to move. I also like the metroidvania-like exploration where you find an item and backtrack to progress, something missing from re4. I'm still confused on how to feel about the change in the series, I like that the series is diverse and there's a type of game for people who enjoy horrors, action, or even just exploring the scenery in the game. RE is probably one of my most favourite franchises now, I just hope they don't make a bad move and release missed opportunities like 6 and 3 remake.
@@Enzed_ Props for going back to the original re2 after having heard about or seen remake2. The original re2 has a very cool style and sound design that got changed significantly in remake, the puzzles and collecting was a lot more involved to get out through the sewer, the 3 medallions to fight Birkin always seemed weird in the remake and then the chess puzzle was toned back too making it a quick exercise, where instead the original had you carrying mostly chess pieces and running w few weapons and no inventory space, or had you backtracking some for them. Completing the original re2 is such a fun time and felt very very rewarding. It's tricky to master and not very forgiving, if you can start remembering basic layouts and try to start going for A or S ranks, or play to a save point and then reload and do that section better time, that's when it gets the most fun. Most people need more hand holding though, so of course the mostly linear but open layout of re4 is popular. I liked re2 because of the insane game design playing 2 campaigns to beat the game, and having the 2 characters intersect, the writing is a thing of beauty, and I wish they didn't have to sacrifice it so much like they ended up doing in the remake bc the A B scenario used to be even better than they pulled off in 2019. Again, props for going and checking out the original, there are tons of good reasons to, even though I really enjoy the 2 remake, if I want to get truly immersed and get the heart racing, I'll play the original re2
@@penguinjay I've beaten re2 like 6 times I think, I even got the A rank on one of them. I decided to try the og games because during the pandemic I only had my old ps2 to play games on cuz my laptop died. I decided to try it out and it became my favourite RE game. I've also gotten more attached to my ps2 since then, I didn't think about it much when I was a kid cuz back then I only watched my brother play games cuz I kinda sucked, now it's my favourite console cuz of the huge library of games that I can't believe I missed out so much on. The good thing about re2 remake that I enjoyed after getting to play it recently is that it's a blast to speedrun because of how easy it is to learn, I still have trouble with dodging zombies in the og. I've also beaten the remake around 4 times. But I do really miss the proper a b scenario system. The soundtrack is fine cuz there's dlc to change it to the og.
@@Enzed_ I really respect your choice to try the ogs! It’s not often people do that. As a fan since 2000, you have my thanks! Did you try RE3: Nemesis yet?
I am one of the people that have visited old Res E games because of Res E 4, and I have to say, fell in love with the older formula. Wish there were more masterpieces like them.
@@Rorschach97 The reason RE 4 is an action game is because the development of RE 4 was extremely troubled. There were about three cool ideas for the game that had to be scraped due to hard ware limitations. After that Shinji didn't want RE 4 be be the exact same thing as RE 1 so a change had to be made.
Wish there were more masterpieces like them. " are you kidding ? there's already the three first games, code veronica, RE0.. the old fashioned fanboys shopuld calm down themselves
@@daegnaxqelil2733CV was more of an action game compared to the other games. And re0 was mediocre as hell. CV was still pretty good though, I will admit.
Shinji Mikami may have directed RE1 and REmake, but as well as insisting on GameCube exclusivity for REmake he had also wanted RE2 to be the definitive end to the series. It's sad that only the latter position was overruled by others in Capcom.
@@HouseTrapJaythat doesn’t really surprise me considering the only sequel he ever directed in his career was 4, and that was only due to its rocky development, and it’s not uncommon for that to happen. MGS2 was meant to be the last one, then 3 due to dev trouble, then 4 due to the death threats konami got when it was revealed Kojima wasn’t directing it. Not many devs want to be working on the same franchise for years, and want to branch off to something new.
@@HouseTrapJay Sometimes creators don't want to the same thing over and over again, otherwise Shinji would not have been involved with Evil Within 2 and High Five Rush. You know how people are complaining about Call of Duty getting so stale😪😪😪😪😪😪???
@@Dragonfury3000 The problem is that Clover Studios was shut down because Viewtiful Joe and God Hand didn't sell well. In case you forgot Mikami created God Hand.
Resident evil was a big franchise before RE4. What 4 did was start the transition from resource management and survival horror to the action oriented shoot-‘em-up you see in 4-6. In my unpopular opinion Veronica is definitely my favourite non-numbered RE game and in my top 3 of all RE games.
Your opinion on CV is not so unpopular, it’s the newer fans of the series that made it so controversial. Every old school RE fan I talk to LOVES that one.
For almost two decades at this point the conventional wisdom I’ve heard (and sort of have to agree with) is that Resident Evil 4 was really good. But it’s popularity as an action didn’t just change the direction of RE series but essentially helped push traditional survival horror games out of the mainstream. You needed backlash against RE6, and viral clips of twitch streamers screaming at indie horror games for Residential 7 and 8 to happen.
Shouldn't you blame capcom for not understanding what made it popular in the 1st place? It's not the game's fault for being good, if blaming re4 is your point.
@@insertnamehere658 4 was deliberetely dumbed down to appeal to the lowest common denominator. All the stables of the series were dropped in favor of pure action and loot, and teenagers loved it. Can't blame Capcom for giving nu RE fans what they wanted.
@@cuttrogue so more action just means that it was dumbed down? Doesn't matter if it's well designed and balanced, has great atmosphere, combat and lore. Just because it's action survival horror, you don't like it? The fact that you say the game is pure action says it all. It had plenty of slower moments in between its big set pieces. Moments where the game slows down and you get to take in the atmosphere. Yeah, sure. Only teenagers like action. Not like it was universally praised by everyone, including adults when it came out. And let's face it, a lot of kids played classic RE too. Do you now think that horror is for kids who can't handle action? Just admit that YOU don't like it, and don't try to put down the game and its fans for liking it.
@@insertnamehere658 Yes - cookie clicker is also perfectly balanced and designed. Removing majority of puzzles and dumbing down few that's left, severely easyfying the action part of the gameplay and basically eliminating resources management and planning is dumbing down, yes.
@@cuttrogue Shinji Mikami said that he run of ideas of how to push the series forward, and didn’t want to do the same thing again. So he chose to do something different.
Why RE4 always takes the blame for action? No one played Code Veronica? Wesker doing matrix shit, Alfred is a typical bond villain, steve is a horny teenager with double luegers, Alexia was an anime character with pyromancy and claire did super agent stunts before Leon made it mainstream lmao😂
I think it started with RE3, it's more linear with a big action boss you fight multiple times in the game. Although it obviously doesn't go as far as RE4 with having a lot more mobs, ammo and combat in general.
This. Every time someone saya that it reuses assets and overall lazy, it drives me crazy. The only assets they reused was the R.P.D. Even the zombie models were original, unlike the remake.
@Joshua Nelson that's total bullshit. The RE3 original wasn't even ported to multiple systems like RE4 or Skyrim. It's barely respected as a cashcow enough to get an honourable remake because they assumed that people wouldn't care about it that much. Seriously, by that logic, then RE4 is a cashgrab because Capcom has been taking "how to make cashcow" pages from Bethesda. Another thing that makes that criticism irrelevant is considering the fact that this in an INDUSTRY, games don't make themselves from trees, they are made by talented people who are given money and the company expects a return of greater investment. Those people also need money in order to live their lives. So, every game is made to at least be profitable so that the series can keep going.
@@YEY0806 it's been like that since it first released. I cannot tell you how BS that statement is. Everything before and after the RPD section is all brand new content. It even has gameplay mechanics that RE1 and RE2 don't have.
You are absolutely right. Resident Evil Remake is the best game in the series and masterpiece. Just a shame Capcom chose to make Reimaginings of the other games in the series instead of remaking them. If RE2 and RE3 were remade in the early 2000s like the original Resident Evil was then they more than likely would have been faithful remakes and not the reimaginings we got in 2019 and 2020 with cut locations and enemies, changed lore, and removed zapping system and live selection choices. And yes I bought a GameCube just for Resident Evil Remake.
I am currently in the process of making something very similar to the re4 HD project with the original RE 3 nemesis, it will retain its fixed camera angles and be made with the player models of the umbrella chronicles which are similar in feel to the GameCube remake. I’m about 3 years into this endeavor and am looking forward to releasing it for free in the year 2025 hopefully 🤞🏽
I'd keep this project on the DL until you finish it so Capcom doesn't send a cease and desist or something. Finish it, upload then tell everyone so people can get it and archive it before capcom tries to take it down. I've seen too many fan projects get the axe before their prime. Generally because a news outlet blows the project up and the game company notices.
The other issues with 2&3's remakes is the fact that their original counterparts aren't as easily available compared to re4 copies can get pricey for retro games and the pc ports/emulation aren't exactly casual friendly
@@FIREDAN075 meant for console players or just people that are casual in general I know it’s not hard but it’s still more work than just buying it on steam and playing
All this does is scare me knowing that this is metaphorically how life works. We have our good era’s and our downfalls and then we must rise up again. That marriage you might have might have its best years and then suddenly something will change and it’s going out of control faster than your ability to do anything about it. This could also apply to your business, job, health, etc. This video is just a metaphor for life and how change is the only constant. Some things last but damn there’s a fine NARROW line on how to get that right the first time.
@@willissudweeks1050 the analogy can still apply. if you only see everything in life at face value thats on you bruh. you could say the same pointless statement about life. its called nihilism. and technically nothing has meaning humans just gave things meaning to cope. So its just life my guy, and in the grand scheme of thing life is just as insignificant as a video game. The sun will die and with it our solar system. its ok little npc i know you aren't capable of pondering much outside what your corporate and media overlords tell ya.
@@willissudweeks1050 if you got to explain to me you have a life on the internet and double comment you clearly dont. you have a pokemon profile pic and you're acting above people. OK so much more mature being obsessed with kids cartoons. Ya some depth my guy. about as deep as a puddle.
Resident evil remake on GC was a game changer for me in my teens. Then 0 came out, then 4 in such a small amount of time! It was the best time to be a RE fan until 7 finally came out.
Capcom seems to have clearly needed the money injection from Nintendo. Obviously none of us were there but I'm not sure Sony was willing to go all in on Capcom like Nintendo was. You say an RE2 and 3 Remake would have happened like then as if it's guaranteed.
I don't believe RE1 Remake would have had the timeless appeal that the Gamecube title ended up having. I think that the visual style present in the Gamecube version elevated the experience and gave it a cutting edge appeal that wouldn't have been present had it been developed for the PS2. PS2 is my favorite system but I think Mikami was right when he picked the Gamecube as the vehicle for that era of the series. It was a gamble that didn't initially pay off as much as it should have, but it allowed him and his team to make the best possible games that they could at the time which had a ripple effect today. It's just unfortunate that the wrong lessons were learned.
Keep in mind, while an RE1 remake on PS2 would have probably sold really well, it probably wouldn't have been as good. The Gamecube was a much more powerful system than the PS2 (Look at comparisons between RE4 on the Gamecube vs PS2 to see what I mean) and a lot of specific effects and art design choices would have been changed to to fit the weaker hardware. I'm shocked that RE1 remake came out over 20 years ago because the game as aged like fine wine artistically, thanks in part due to the Gamecube being as strong as it was.
It also gave you basically unlimited ammo, gave you easier arenas to fight bosses in, made enemies attacks so telegraphed slowpoke Rodriguez could dodge them, and gave you counter guns because tension is bad.
As someone that played them all as they came out, my personal favs were 1 and 2. 3 was more of the same, 4 had some great mechanics and while I don't mind the campiness and outlandish plot, part of what Ioved about the original was the more real (for a zombie game) concept and especially the fact that your character was not some superhuman badass. The slower pace made it feel like your character actually had to take their time to aim and enemies were lethal up close, no roundhouse kicks or piledrivers. Then the enemies were realistic, mostly normal creatures mutated by the BOW with a few engineered ones who broke free. I still love all the games but would love to know what could have been if they stayed truer to the originals in terms of scale, atmosphere and theme.
Dude, I’m with you. The og trilogy was heavily inspired by 70s 80s zombie and sci fi flicks down to their soundtracks. There’s no other games that I’ve seen that do that. Woulda been cool to see them cultivate it.
I refused to buy 4 for the reasons you mentioned. Now I see all these nu RE4 fans shitting on the r4make that actually brought many concepts of original first 3 titles back and just smh.
Cap. Most fans say downfall of the original feel/soul of resident Evil. The Game that was the biggest market success Re5 so Re4 didn't even take the crown for most popular
@@prl4122 And sold less. Showing that Re4 didn't "save" squat and was just an action game like the rest of them. Re7 was the one that really saved the franchise and brought it back to its roots.
Back in 2002, I got the gamecube simply to play Resident Evil Remake As much as I love the style of 4, I never thought of the original style of games as losing its touch
@Ultraman619 can't argue that. Honestly my mind didn't even go there-i didn't have a dreamcast at that time so I played remake and zero long before I touched cv
@Jimmeh Rulez yeah but it wasnt easiest game to find, nor were re2 and re3 on gamecube. Plus at like $40 each, a Hugh school kid with no job can only buy so many games lol. So, I didn't have it on gamecube
Resident evil 4 changed the game into something new that was alright but even back then I remember wishing they had stayed with static camera angles and focused more on horror.
@@bepohal a lot of people think so but I disagree. Feels like a really outdated shooter and you move super slow. I didn’t like the story and didn’t like Ethan winters as a protagonist. There’s plenty of other horror shooters out there to play. This is my opinion only.
I dreamed of an RE2 and RE3 Remake in the style of RE1 Remake when I was younger. I was so disappointed that we not only didn't get them, but that they also turned RE4 into an action game.
Even though I agree on this vid. The thing is that Shinji Mikami himself said countless of times he was tired of the same survival-horror formula. That was why RE4 took so long to be released, and was re-re-re made so many times. Even though CV and Resident evil REmake would have been released on PS2 since the beggining, Shinji Mikame would still have created Resident Evil 4 as the game we know.
Nowhere did Shinji Mikami verbalize that the grueling take on creating a survival horror with zombies, Resident Evil 3.5, was intended for another authentic title, the limitations of the Gamecube would not have allowed it to be released to the general public. Let's not forget that because Resident Evil 5 was made "preponderant", he vanished and other people surmounted.
Great video as always and you pretty much said what I have been telling people for years in regards to sales and that crappy exclusivity deal that ruined the sales of RE1 Remake (and I'd also argue RE0) My only disagreement with you is about how the series would have looked like have Capcom NOT botched the marketting of RE1 Remake with the exclusivity deal....I don't think that RE4 in it current state would have been a thing...instead I'd argue it would be closer to the scrapped RE4 demo (aka RE 3.5) and the series wouldn't too actionized as it did. However, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that we may have gotten a third person shooter in the style of RE4, just not under the "Resident Evil" name.
@@firestrikeriii5043 Calm your tits. Secondly, it did ruin survival horror and the video is indeed on point with that. RE4 is a great game in it's own right, sure and I still love it (and I enjoyed the remake even more)...but it's not a survival horror game and if you're gonna deny that it is an action game with horror themes, they you either never experienced a survival horror game before or you're just a young gamer that only cares for horror themed action games and confuse them with survival horror (and I am not saying that in a disrespectful way). I am more than happy to have a civil discussion, but only if you drop the attitude and we can start over.
I had the exact issue you described with RE1R being hardlocked to a Gamecube. Working class family in coastal New Zealand, lack of availability, rare to see anyone with a Gamecube, almost every other person I knew had a PS1 and/or PS2 though. Born in 1995 so I couldn't exactly save up to purchase the console with RE1R. It was always something I was constantly aware of, maintaining a mythic status where I sporadically saw posters, old advertisements, etc. I still played the original RE1 despite not knowing how to progress further than the first few floors, it honestly might have been one of the first video games I ever played. If the remake was available on PS2 I definitely would have rented/begged my parents to buy it despite not being in that perceived demographic of who the title was marketed towards. I never had the money to own RE4, I still remember having a chest infection at the age of 11/12 and blasting through a rented copy in a matter of days. It was the only RE title I'd ever actually finished at that point.
100% agree. No fucker had a game cube back in the day. Fortunately i had a friend who had one and was into resident evil as much as i was. So i used to go round to his and we would play re1 remake/ re4 for hours! Good times
Purchased a GameCube just for REmake and 100% agree that remakes of 2 and 3 would have happened if they were released on PS2. Action style is what they always wanted and I am so glad that crashed and burned for them in RE6 allowing them to go back to survival horror. I love RE2make since they seem to finally find the perfect balance between action and horror. Don't hate me but I 2005 RE4 is very low on my RE list of favorites (cutscene QTE and Ashley being main reasons) but RE4make instantly became one of my top RE titles. Like a lot of people out there I really hope Code Veronica gets the same kind of love in the future. Steve being the number 1 opportunity for improvement and Alfred to be made into a (still villain) but tragic character
If they do a remake they need to get alyson court back to do the voice of Claire Redfield. I didn't like the new voice actress for Claire in the re2 remake
I would love to have Alyson back, I didn't think Stephanie (or "James" ReRev2) did a bad job at all. My brain just automatically tries to hear Alyson everything Claire talks. Capcom seems to be going for non union actors who can do motion capture and dialog, Alyson is union and I don't think she does mocap
I think one of the reasons Shinji Mikami wanted the exclusivities was because, despite being the less successful console, the Gamecube was the most powerful system among the Xbox, PS2, and GC lineup. In fact the system's hardware was the exact reason he and the rest of Capcom wanted to do RE4 and REmake on GC. Are the reasons understandable? Kind of. They had to make a metric fuck ton of changes to RE4's models, levels, and cutscenes in order to get it working on the PS2 and it's safe to say because of that the PS2 version visually looks the worst out of the other versions on consoles. And Shinji REALLY didn't want REmake to suffer the same fate. But at the same time if they could get RE4 to work on the PS2, then sacrificing the visuals of REmake shouldn't matter expecially considering we know with the release of RE4 on other consoles post Xbox, PS2, and GC that the visuals of the Gamecube version were eventually used for re-releases with the costumes and modes from the PS2 version getting upscalled to match the GC's visual style alongside being ported with future re-releases. The same thing could've happened for REmake on PS2, sure the visuals would've taken a big hit and the cutscenes more than likely woud've been replaced with ugly FMVs instead of the gorgeous pre-rendered in-game style ones like with RE4's and their quick-time events, but if it means reaching out more and making more money then the ends justify the means especially if eventual re-releases end up doing what RE4 did as I mentioned.
You may have completely missed the point of the video there. It wouldn't have needed 'saving' in the first place if Capcom had any idea what they were doing on the publishing side.
@@seanylewl I don’t believe fixed camera tank control REs would’ve thrived in the 2000s and into today. It wasn’t just a publishing deal. That’s only one part of it
RE4 is actually what made me take a break from the franchise. I loved 1-3 and CV. I didn't care for the added action they put in 4. It also seemed more cartoony compared to the originals. As I'm playing RE4 Remake, even though I'm enjoying it I can't help but compare it to RE2 Remake...
Stop talking about RE2 and 3 Nemesis remakes in the style of RE1 remake. You, sir, have NO BUSINESS hurting me like that. Especially RE3 Nemesis. Stop burning my wounds further. I'm not that high on remakes. I somewhat hate what they do for the most part, actually. But a RE3 Nemesis remake in the style of RE1 Remake? GIMME DAT. The current RE3 i have can last me this lifetime, but still.
In my country (Ukraine) GameCube was basically non-existent. I was very surprised to learn there was a Remake of the original RE, and I was even more surprised to learn it was an exclusive for some console absolutely no one heard about. While EVERYONE played RE games on Playstation, which was a very popular console. After RE3 the series just kinda disappeared. I experienced a huge feeling of despair for not being able even theoretically get what I wanted. I had to simply deal with it. I felt like I was not invited to the party of my friends, like all the world was able to play games I was unable to, I felt separated and left alone. Which is kinda strange, but yeah, it is what it is. For some reason PS2 wasn't as popular as PS1 in Ukraine, probably because PC was becoming a much more common and universal tool for gaming, because everything was pirated, including copies of PS1 games sold at stores, but having a computer you didn't even need to buy games, you could just download it, so why buying PS2 and then buying games for it? Games like SH2-3, MGS2-3, RE4 (unlike RE5 which did release on PC) only became accessable to me in 2010s when emulators became a thing for PS2.
People overlook that RE4 was exclusively on GameCube for quite some time as well and outperformed the RE1 remake by a decent bit. That isn’t an excuse that the RE1remake can use. 4 did save the series, I don’t know why it genuinely seeks to hurt people to have to admit that. It doesn’t mean the other games are bad. People just lost interest in the same thing over and over. Shinji Mikami even touched on that when discussing what led to 4’s change in style.
Agreed on all points. I knew maybe one kid back then with a GameCube. Everyone has a PS2. I never even got to play that remake until they released it on PS4.
Good video man. I think the history of RE has always been: Capcom does "something" (usually business and trend oriented), and fans defend it to death, and put a positive spin on it. Capcom does away with old cameras and goes for more action? Fans: it was needed, they saved the dying formula. Capcom turns 5 and 6 into crazy michael bay: Fans: ofc its an action series with superheroes now, the characters grew and became experts and it can't be just zombies and small contained locations all the time! Capcom releases Revelations 1 & 2 in most platforms: Fans: there you go! now the revelations series can be the horror RE series, and the main entries can continue with the action Capcom announces RE2R after public demand. Fans: YES! WE DO IT! MAKE IT JUST LIKE RE1R!!! Capcom shows RE2 isn't much of a remake after all: Fans: OMG LOOK AT THOSE GRAPHICS AND ZOMBIES!, fixed cams suck anyway, they were obsolete! Capcom releases the reimagining of RE2. Fans: it's supposed to be new and modern! duh!, they can't bring back those terrible old controls and cameras, get up with the times! Capcom destroys RE3R in nearly every way possible. Fans: Its fine! RE3 og was already short, and more action focused than 2 and just a spinoff, and nobody liked it as much as the others anyway, we should be thankful they did it at all! Capcom shows and releases RE8. Fans: boobs! vampires! werewolves! boobs!, horror? nah RE7 was too scary, 8 has the best things of 4 now, its a shooter, it has a merchant and weapon upgrades. Capcom releases RE4R: Fans: incredible! perfect! the best game ever made! RE4 og sucked anyway! and this new one is all serious and realistic and dark and scary!!! no more dumb things! absolutely NOTHING WAS LOST! EVERYTHING IS BETTER! Capcom does terrible new OSTs: Fans: bro if you like the old music that much just buy the DLC from the remakes and that's it! you should be thankful they sell it to you, it shows how much they care for the old ones. While some of these dumb pseudo-arguments were invented by fans, sometimes capcom execs and devs invent them first or keep them going. It's a beautiful symbiotic relationship.
BREAKING NEWS: "The fifth new GameSpot show is How It Saved. The series is hosted by GameSpot senior producer Dave Klein, and it documents how specific games have pulled franchises back from the brink, or in some cases, how they help game studios stay up and running. The first episode airs May 7 and is called "How Resident Evil 4 Saved Resident Evil." what a coincidence
Re4 is a fun action game and had a huge influence on the i ndustry but I hate what it did to survival horror. Besides it was ported to every platform under the sun while REmake was only released in a console that bombed until the HD re release. Those tank controlled games from the PS1 era were huge sellers.
I solely blame it on over saturation. Capcom loves to flood the market. I think they would have got more sales if they just released these games two or three years apart from each other. RE 4 would have suffered the same fate if it had been released a year later after code veronica.
Great video. As much as I loved the RE2 and 4 remakes (I even enjoyed 3 to a lesser extent), the RE1 remake is still my favorite of the franchise. Even though I'm grateful that we are finally getting remakes of our beloved classics, I too would have preferred them to be in the style of the RE1 remake.
17:45 On a side note, rhythm games were not only useful to sell peripherals. I am a musician and producer today partially thanks to Guitar Hero and Rock Band, and I know I'm not the only case. There's a whole mini generation of guitarists who had GH/RB as an entry point, and personally I also discovered some of my favorites there, in addition to the opportunity of exploring a lot of stem tracks thanks to the fandom
All I had to say once I saw the title was thank god I wasn't the only one thinking this. Even before watching the video, I agreed with the title. After watching the video itself, I still agree with you about RE1 Remake and why it didn't sell well initially despite how good of video game Remake it was. It was never going to sell well with it confined to the Gamecube. I can understand why Capcom made the deal with Nintendo, but I also think it wasn't their best idea as the Gamecube was the lowest selling console to that generation. and I bet a good amount of sales came from parents buying them for their kids. A lot of the older gamers were on the PS2 and Original Xbox playing GTA and FPSs. Honestly, I wished I could've seen the timeline were REmake got multiple ports during its initial release. Perhaps RE2 and 3's Remakes would've happened right after; and also become classics. I enjoy the new Remakes, but there was always a big part of me that wanted them to be made in the same style as RE1's Remake.
Very interesting video and raises a lot of "what if" questions. If RE1 Remake was released on PS2, would RE4 been made in the same vein as RE1 - RE3? If that was the case, I wonder what other game would heavily mold the action genre
I think that one Spinoff you should take in consideration is Outbreak and it failing on Sony hardware. Maybe they did consider that idea of keeping both styles. But yeah, really sad we never got the R3make we deserved and a RE2 remake like the first
Honestly great video mate. Great to see these things from a business perspective, and why just making games to make the companies potentially more money can lead to bad sales, and as a result lead to the company thinking it’s not worth it. When it was then who fucked it. Was really well done and it cant’ve been easy holding back those emotions
This is not from a business perspective at all. This title of the video should be “I’m getting older and I’m mad Capcom doesn’t make games to appeal to me anymore”. In business you either adapt or die. Progress or be stagnant. Business’s are not interested in staying stagnant by appealing to the same generation of players, their job is to capture new audiences, they do appeal to older fans but that is not a always primary goal. This is not an objective video and fails to stay on point. I sympathize with this creator because he wants the same style of games he grew up with, unfortunately business wants otherwise. Capcom understand as it’s players grow up they spend less time playing video games, and let’s be real not everyone who played as a kid is a die hard fan still to this day like the creator, many of them have moved on. Capcom was not grabbing anymore market share at the time and was beginning to stagnate, RE4 did it’s job of grabbing that new market share in the industry. It literally set the industry standard of 3rd person POV games, peers in the industry applauded Capcom for that achievement all the while developing the game was a nightmare. How many new fans came to the series because of RE4? I myself am one of them, because if RE4 I am probably going to be a life long fan, it also a positive since newer fans become interested in the OG games. I disagree heavily with this video, it does not bring a objective argument.
I'm just commenting to reaffirm with the other user, this was not an actual business analysis and you will be dumber for having that take away. Take it for what it was, venting. Mayo here is a layman spitballing an analysis and drawing forgone conclusions based on his emotions. Even the data he pulled is likely quite innacurate. Take it all with a grain of salt.
I think he meant business perspective in regarding sales of similar games and the franchise itself, Which he did cover. Also, mentioning sales of the consoles. So yes he did integrate a business perspective. But also quite a bit of personal opinion.
@@Bardock7132 thank you for your comment. Yes, bit of a personal opinion, and you clearly demonstrate great control of your emotions unlike these brainlets
@@MrWhygodwhy Don’t get why you both are so hostile in trying to demoralise what I took from it. *I* found it interesting looking at it in that perspective. You guys call me dumb for my views on this topic, but seem to just be closed minded and think your opinion is more important than others.
100% agree with this. RE4 was actually my first RE when I had a GameCube as a kid, and since then I’ve gone back and actually *prefer* the classic survival horror titles (REmake and Code Veronica being my faves of the entire series) I hate what’s become of it x3
If you never played RE4 you never would have become a fan of the series. This is what RE4 achieved, it captured a new generation of fans to the series. Gaming companies are not always going to cater to aging fans. They are aware that as players grow up they have less time to spend playing the games and often move on. Their focus is to grab new audiences, I strongly disagree with this video.
@@Bino8724 Yes but like i said the whole point of video wasn't to shame RE 4 or to say that it was not needed,but to say that old school RE was killed off by capcom itself due to their bad decisions rather than dying of the natural age as many people claim it to be
@@Eshanthegreat how can you call it “bad decision making” if the company found insane amount of success at the time and for their future lmao. It’s called taking the company into a new direction when the current path no longer works.
@@Bino8724 I would call it bad decisions because A) Code Veronica was exclusive to Dreamcast at launch which only sold 9M units in total and when it was released to other platforms the damage was already done not to mention it was not a numbered entery B)Outbreak games inspite of how ahead of their time they were required an internet connection to get the proper multiplayer experience otherwise you are stuck with dumb partners C)RE 1 remake was gamecube exclusive inspite of RE being one of the biggest faces of playstation at that time and GameCube inspite of how goated it was,was a commercial failure and also was primarily focused on kid friendly content D) Similar thing could be applied to RE 0 as stated in above point C Honestly that makes me question did you even watch the entire video my friend?or just was angry that he said something about RE4
@@Eshanthegreat you are saying they made bad business decisions as you’ve just stated in this paragraph and admitted that they were stagnant heading towards of a decline. UNTIL RE4 SAVED them, which once again is the whole point of the video. If they were doing bad Becuase of all the reasons you just said and then saw success with RE4 would that not mean that game saved the series? The success was not small by any means and capcom admits that very clearly, so unless you know better than the company itself Who are you arguing with other than yourself? Like cmon did you or Mayo stop to think about what you were arguing? This video should be titled “how Re4 saved the series after multiple blunders” So thank you for proving the point unintentionally. 😂
You can see a funny version of this playing out with the Final Fantasy devs saying that they needed to change and to move away from Turn Based JRPG gameplay, because it was outdated and doesn't sell, so they pivoted more and more away from it, until they'd somehow pivoted all the way around to making a "Character Action" game, which is a genre so niche there's literally only one successful series in it... because I guess, that's a better selling proposition than their traditional JRPG format. Meanwhile, traditional turn based JRPGs have continued to be some of the biggest sellers of all time throughout all the time since.
Its good you mentioned the mass appeal of RE4 over the traditional survival horror predecessors, because I remember growing up with those games, and as a kid I just didnt have it in me to understand how to play beyond getting locked out of the game with weird keys I didn't know how to find. RE4 was a completely different beast, though. It was accessible for anyone who could hold the controller and had the reflexes to cap Ganados. I'll always look at it fondly as the game that introduced me to the series effectively, and like you mentioned also, I went back and fell in the love with the classics, mainly the RE1 remake.
Really well done video. I started with 0 the beginning of this year and worked my way up to 4 remake. 0 and 1 were rough at first but I loved what I was experiencing. 2 and 3 remakes were really fun and even though there was more action, at least 2 had some of the charm with puzzles. Code Veronica was interesting cause it through it back to the old style which I had become accustomed to. Now that I’m on 4 remake I’m struggling hard to enjoy it. The action is balls to the wall and it has a completely different vibe to it than any of the other entries I’ve played so far. Not to mention I lowkey suck at it on standard difficulty…
Re4 is a fun game but I would argue it killed the series because of the direction it set it in. Theres so many action and adventure games. RE creates a new kind of game. Why abandon that?
Resi 1 on gamecube was one of my most anticipated games ever. I bought a gamecube on launch so was so psyched to see how amazing this game looked in magazines. The jump from 1996 resi 1 to gamecube resi was just unreal.Great upload. I am kinda shocked at how few copies resi 4 sold on ps2. I knew gamecube held back sales but I always assumed resi 4 hit like 4/5 mill sales on ps2. I am also a bit shocked at how much re releases sell years later. I would have assumed 6,7,8 years later interest in buying resi 4 on modern platforms would have waned. Cleary not. I am however delighted with the resi 1 remake being remastered for ps3/4 and steam. Great to see it get some real success like it deserves.
Pretty much the only way there would have been a remake of 2 and 3 that was also faithful to the exact gameplay style is if those remakes had come out during the PS2/GameCube/Xbox days where we were close enough to the original releases. But back in 2004, gaming culture wasn’t as remake happy and remaking multiple old RE games in quick succession wouldn’t have been the popular move it is today
The only reason REmake was done in the first place was Mikami felt there was a lot left on the table with the first game, which didn't age gracefully even within a few years of its release. I guess he felt 2 and 3 hit their mark so that's why they left them alone. It would have been nice to see a Remake treatment of those, but he didn't have much of a reason to compared to the first.
Fixed camera games need to come back in the AAA games. There are plenty of indie games using them. I'm just so sick of the 3rd and 1st person perspective. I think capcom screwed up by not working on a fixed camera perspective mode in the 2&3 Remakes.
@@mrskinszszs Yep, there was a very different threshold back then for games “needing” a top down remake vs just upscaling them to run on new consoles. These days even not only are we so far removed in time from a lot of classic games that rebuilding them to modern standards would make them brand new games automatically, but even The Last of Us 1 got remade, which makes the idea of RE 5 and 6 remakes in the near future way less ridiculous than they have any right to be
RE1 (REmake/REmastered) is my favourite game of all time it was the reason I got a GameCube too. I always wanted RE2 and RE3 to be remade just like it, it saddens me that we didn't get them. People like to point out how badly it sold but I believe it only sold badly because it was gamecube exclusive if it was on PS2 and Xbox it would have sold like hot cakes. Just look at how well it sold on PS4, Xbox and pc when it was remastered. Thanks mayo for making this video I've been saying this for a long time.
I absolutely agree with you! I grew up on RE2 when it first released and I absolutely loved the Resident Evil Series. I couldn't play Code Veronica at all because I never owned a dreamcast but I wanted to and since my brother got the PS2, I got the GameCube and played the RE1 Remake and RE0 and finally Code Veronica and loved all three of those games MORE than RE4, even at release. I personally think the original RE4 is the worst in the series as far as numbered titles go as it completely abandoned zombies and survival horror. I never liked RE4 till the recent remake where they actually made it survival horror but I still much rather have a Code Veronica remake as that was always the better game storywise. The RE2 remake was okay, but still disappointing compared to the RE2 Remake I been hoping for. RE4 didn't save the series, it almost destroyed it as it led to 5 and 6. The game that actually saved the series was RE7.
Didn't ever get to finish the OT back in the day as I was too young, and it scared me. When I finally played the remaster back on the PS3. I wanted to try and play 2 and 3 OG all the way through and I haven't been able to until recently when I basically torrented a Japanese PC copy. Really goes to show how difficult it is to play the original games. I hope it gets easier sometime soon for everyone else.
Admittedly I also used to feel like RE4 saved the franchise just with how well it sold and how popular it was. I'm glad you held this discussion. I remember reading a Game Informer article ~Code Veronica was released on the Dreamcast. I couldn't tell you the issue or author but the article 100% was centered around the idea about how RE needs to switch up the formula if it hopes to remain relevant. I'm not sure how rampant or popular that narrative was (as this was before my family and I had internet) but in hindsight it makes sense that a "niche" franchise 4 games deep should probably evolve in some capacity but not specifically for the purpose of remaining relevant, but to elevate it and expand its audience. I love classic RE, I can play that shit all day long (actually re-playing through RE3 right now) but I have seen just how much the aspects of classic RE can turn people away from the series through some of my friends and can admit at the end of the day it's a good thing that RE did evolve. I'd love to see RE thrive forever. It's funny/ironic though how RE had a small death period after 6 though for leaning too heavy onto the action side. Balance truly is the key.
The reason I always saw for this idea that re4 saved the franchise is 4-fold. The first being it's a convenient excuse for capcom to have for their mismanagement of the franchise from all those lackluster spin-offs between 3 and 4. The second being re4 is one of the most influential games of all time and having it have the story of being reworked from the ground up 3 or 4 times until shizza had it just right gives it an even bigger story to be a part of as a underdog that beat the odds. the third being it was the most accessible of the series for a long time everybody and their mother had a ps2 and wii so there was always a good way to introduce people to the series from it and give the speech. And it only got easier with the rereleases for any current console or pc. the fourth and easiest thing is that people want to erase this idea that 4 split the fans back in the day idk if anyone even recalls but I remember alotta people praising the og games over 4 for doing horror better and vice versa for 4 being more fun to play because of the gunplay meanwhile I was somewhere else replaying REmake and 4 not caring about fan arguments that went nowhere.
I have been saying this for years!!! Oh, my God, dude! Someone finally made a video about it!! People always talk about Resident Evil 4 being a masterpiece as if it saved the franchise, while actually it was responsible for ruining it and turning it into an action horror IP.
i so badly wish we got re2 and 3 remakes on gamecube. every time i see that area from re2 in re0 it makes me want re2 in that engine so bad. i think re2 remake is highly overrated. i played through it once with leon then once with claire, and that 2nd playthrough was so boring for me that i had no desire to ever look at it again after that, and never had the desire to play re3 remake at all, and i haven't. if we had re2 and 3 remakes in the same engine as re1r and 0, i have no doubt i would have played through each of them at least a dozen times by now and never would have felt as bored with them as i did playing through re2 remake twice.
Sir, you speak for me and hundreds of my friends. From 2000 and beyond. I don’t know what Capcom’s fascination with Sega and Nintendo. I vividly remember the amount of anger that my friends and I had that no one had a dream cast and or a game cube to play any of those games. I could still have a conversation with you about this because you just spoke to my soul, but I definitely feel like Capcom is spinning the narrative (how they always do)and just look how long it took them to give the fans what they wanted in regards to RE4. AND WERE STILL WAITING FOR DINO CRISIS!
Great argument and I liked what you had to say and makes sense about the exclusivity deal been self inflicted wound for the series. I had the GameCube and eventually moved to Playstation growing up and have notice RE 4 seemed to be doing great after it finally moved to other consoles, and heard more talk and attention to it after I had beaten it several times. So I totally believe what you pointed out today. It’s one of my favorites till this day and fell in love when I played the RE 4 exclusive demo. It just makes more sense knowing what I know now.
I'm not convinced that RE would be as successful if they stuck to the fixed camera style of the original trilogy. Sure, it would probably get critical praise, but Capcom knows that the big numbers are gonna come from the crowd that just to shoot things with a more modern 3rd person over the shoulder or first person view. People who love the survival horror-ness of the games are a lot more few and far between. And I, personally, can't complain about it. After all, it's because of RE4 and it's success that we got the Dead Space series, which is my personal favorite horror franchise. However, it would be nice if Capcom would continue to acknowledge that fans of the original style existed and made more games or remakes using that style, kind of like how they're doing both first-person RE games and 3rd person RE4 style games. There are fans of both styles so it makes sense to cater to each of them, at least to me. Kind of like how there are fans of 2D Metroid games and fans of the 1st person Prime series. Why not do both? Or in this case, all three.
You say Resident Evil is independent of genre trends, yet Re4 contains many quick time events in their cut-scenes. Something not present in the remake, because it's not a popular convention these days.
As a fan of the originals I disagree immensely. Even among us the fans the formula was getting stale by the time outbreak released. As much as I loved outbreak jank and all, if the series remained the way it was I like many others would have jumped ship. Sales don't mean much, player sentiment does, and the sentiment at the time was it needed something new.
Looking back its not very good at being a survivor horror but its re4 that got me into resident evil games. I played and bought them all and enjoyed every moment with re2 being my fav.
It is action horror. This genre does exist too. Same for me. RE4 was the 1st RE I bought at launch and absolutely loved it. But I have since gone back and played through many of the older survival horror ones and I enjoyed them too. It is possible to like both sides of RE. I just prefer Capcom would pick which side they want to focus on with each new RE game. Instead of haphazardly mashing them together like they did with RE4 2023.
Yeah you have a point, Capcom also messed up Haunting Ground sales during that time by released it way too close to re4 release, which is a title that have the charm of RE and true succesor of Clock Tower
I think the issue with these types of conversations generally is that "saving" a series is a pretty ambiguous claim to begin with ha. Resident evil 4 certainly changed the series radically in terms of gameplay and combat (certainly for the better in my opinion) but in that sense you can also say that it killed the series as it once was from the fixed camera angle design. Commercially there is no denying it had explosive sales and probably moved the series higher up in terms of priority for Capcom. What Resi4 managed to do was bring in this massive patchwork of audience demographics all playing the game and enjoying it for slightly different reasons. For example I play resi4 as an action beat em' up style game, and so I don't really play the earlier resi games as I'm not into survival horror. But resi 4 does have survival horror elements as well, so those fans also enjoy the game. I think a more accurate claim is that Resi4 made the series more commercially viable, as the sales data reflects that clearly. But I agree that it's not like if Resi4 flopped that capcom would abandon the franchise entirely, it probably would have just been less frequent releases like we see with DMC.
Nice to see you here, man. I know we disagree hard on RE4 remake and that's totally fine, we're adults. This video, yeah, it's just about the narrative that the change to action horror was NECESSARY. Not if it was bad or not. I love RE4, I'm fine with the action direction. It's always just bugged me everytime I hear about how "RE had to change, just look at the REmake sales."
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here before the re4 babies come
Maybe if you could get your facts straight instead of saying shit you don't understand people wouldn't criticize you?
@@randomt800kiddo2 this video is not objective at all. This is personal opinion with very little evidence to support it arguments. Just because he spoke for 20 minutes doesn’t mean the points were relevant. Name one company in the industry that has been successful for decades without adapting or progressing the product. RE4 grabbed the newer market share that it’s previous games we’re not, the series might not have been dying but it was beginning to stagnate which is a leading indicator of decline in market share. the 3rd person POV alone set the industry standard for every other 3rd person game and capcom was applauded by its peers in the industry. In terms of audience these gaming companies understand that appealing to the kid who played your game 15 years ago is not going to have the same time to invest as an adult, they are looking to capture younger and newer audiences this is basic for most entertainment companies. I sympathize with this creators wishes to relive and play the same style of Resident evil in his adolescence but unfortunately business does not care. The point of business is too grow and make the most amount of profit as possible, RE4 successfully did that at the time which is why capcom put so much effort into remaking RE4 compared to 2 & 3, they understand the impact the game had for the series and it’s audience who played the original is still young enough or at that age where they have the money and time (ages 18-25). The OG RE4 is old but not as old as the other instalments to the series.
This video does not come from a objective business perspective. It’s weak argument with a controversial title to bring in views for his channel.
@@Bino8724 tell me you havent watched the video without saying it lol
I don't understand channels like this that exist purely to drum up drama. Like you freaks know exactly what you're doing with your clickbait titles and then act surprised when people call out your bullshit. In any event, I found another subpar content "creator" to put on the ignore list.
RE4 got me into the franchise. RE1 taught me why it was a franchise.
I think I may screenshot this comment and crop it.
People lately have been wondering why a RE1 "Modern" Remake would be bad. This. This is why.
Well said
@@sonzatore1 on 3rd person view won't be bad, but won't be as good as original either.
@@diamondgirls6541 It *would* be bad though. Not as a game, of course. I'm sure it'd be fun for the newbies out there. But fixed camera has been misunderstood lately. The fear/uncertainty it induced would be gone. *Cut* *content.* The Jill we know and love would be replaced with this angry "badass" woman in a Jill costume. And don't even get me started on the remake of a remake of a remake rabbit hole. It'd basically be spitting in the face of it's origins.
But sure...it'd probably be fun...
Same but haven’t played re1
We all know that the game that truly saved the series was Resident Evil Survivor.
BRO TRUEEEE
SAVED!
Damn Right
Gaiden saved it for me. I still own that piece of shit and it's worth more now than RE4R deluxe edition.
They should remake it. It had potential because of its level design, music and path branching. Unfortunately, everything else was abysmal.
Imagine a remake of 2 and 3 like the classic 1....Even today that would sell loads of copies
Back in 2002, I also bought a Gamecube for the sole reason of playing the RE 1 remake. I was overseas in Iwakuni, Japan at the time, serving in the Marines. I bought the Gamecube and RE remake from this little mall on base. Not only was RE remake amazing, but I also discovered a few other memorable Gamecube games. Metroid Prime, for example. That game was *so* good!
I didnt play the remake of the 1st one until 2019 and it became my favourite immediately. The fact that 20 years after its release it blows people away on first playing it is really saying something
Don't actually do that for me (there always would ppl like me😂) but i still liked it! (Platinum Trophy i got tho) but for me still Og Re2 is just Fantastic 😍
Re 1 remake is not only one of the best (if not the best) re game, it's one of the most iconic survivor horror game of all time
I hate the term a series is “dying” because it’s not mainstream or that popular
Ironically RE started to stagnate for a bit after it went for that sort of mass appeal
If a series dont sell, it gets cancelled, ask Silent Hill, Panzer Dragoon, Shenmue, etc.
@@Jose-se9pu But it was selling. That's why they had a fuckton of spin-off's like Megaman back then. I think people have this weird idea that every game needs to make MCU or Ragnoroak number's to be a success but enterly overlook how much the actual cost of the entertainment is. Shit like Ragnorok or MCU films rake in massive amounts of cash, but they also gamble hard with large bloated investments. Content like that NEED to sell by the hundred millions just to make even.
RE followed the strategy of "humble investments, larger porfits" a strategy much of horror in general goes for. And that often works.
@@roble8943 not the re1 remake, it was not selling well, at release. It was supposed to be the rebirth of the survival horror, but was a failure. I am sure being a gamecube exclusive was the reason, but Mikami himself said that it not selling well pushed them to action games.
That’s why no RE game “killed” the series outside of Resident Evil 6. RE6 was universally hated by both RE fans and general mainstream audiences that Capcom was left in a dire and difficult state for Resident Evil. It wasn’t until 7 came back and redefined the series back to its original survival horror routes. 6 was so bad… it pulled the plug on the series for FIVE YEARS
Bro, I've been waiting to hear someone say this shit!
They released REmake exclusively for one of the worst selling consoles of its time...then acted surprised at the low sales.
Then a decade and a half later, when it was remastered for ALL MODERN SYSTEMS, it fucking broke capcom digital sales records.
Like no fucking dah...
Not only did they refuse do remake 2 and 3 the way they did 1, they went after the fans that were trying to develop fan-made remakes that they were planning to distribute for free.
Some of those RE 2 fan remakes look a bit more interesting to me than the official Capcom-created RE 2 Remake, to be honest. Much like the recent Dead Space remake, these fan-made RE 2 remakes were incredibly faithful to the original RE 2, while only giving the graphics a major upgrade. The official RE 2 remake is fantastic and I had a lot of fun with it, but I really *REALLY* would love to play one of those fan-made RE 2 remake projects.
I've never heard of this in my life. I've only heard of a over the shoulder fan reimagining of RE2, and Capcom flew the team over to Capcom Japan to get an exclusive look at the official RE2 remake. Source for your claims?
@@friendofp.24 The guys that were making the RE2 fan remake where developers from Italy. They got ceased and desisted by Capcom for making the remake. Seeing as Capcom already started developing RE2 Remake soon after, the developers then used the assets they had for their fan prohect and made Daymare 1998
At least Capcom tried to make amends with the fans going the opposite direction with the RE4 HD project. Not only it allowed them to continue but pinned the fan-made texture package in their original Resident Evil 4 page in Steam.
@@friendofp.24 This dude conveniently omitted the part where Capcom hired those ppl, they didnt just fucked with them
Classic RE2 and RE3 fans: _why are we still here ? Just to suffer ?!_ 💀
I don't think CV should be considered a spinoff, it was designed as a mainline game and it plays like one and has main characters in it. Hell, I bought a DC when they were cheap in part so I could play CV, much like I ended up doing with a GC for 4.
True, CV was the "real" sequel and RE3 the spinoff quickly made because Sony paid for a numbered RE title
cv isn't a spin-off. it is/was label as such but is, also according to capcom, a mainline game. kids will never understand and aren't able to do a 20 seconds research
I'm so happy to see people push back against this narrative after all this time. It was really insufferable from 2003-2019, games journalists were presenting it as a basic fact of the universe that no one wanted to play traditional survival horror games and we were saved by RE4's action focus, or, worse, those Amnesia/Outlast hide and seek games.
Thank god amnesia clones are dead frankly
@@MILDMONSTER1234 They're not dead, they're just all (luckily) relegated to Roblox games targeting the preteen Creepypasta crowd now
@@Weyland_PunaniShinji Mikami said that he run of ideas of how to push the series forward, and didn’t want to do the same thing again. So he chose to do something different.
The Amnesia/Outlast games added something of their own to survival horror games, it was just oversaturated then on by many poor quality versions. Amnesia and Outlast prioritized horror as where Resident Evil was somewhat then abandoned it for action. The fact REVII followed suit shows just how impactful Amnesia or more so Outlast, was leading up to.
Amnesia isn't really a stealth horror game, that's the big lie. It's pretty much just a gothic horror adventure game. The stealth stuff is just to psych you out. It's not scary or horrific, it's just dreadful and spooky. You know, not really something for an adrenaline junky but I love it since I'm more intrigued by the lore and atmosphere of horror games than scares. I hate screamers.
unfortunately not many people know about this, and straight up say “classic fix cam RE oUt dAtEd” great video man.
This video is wrong.
One thing to also note is that OG RE2 had a massive marketing/ad campaign which helped its success too. If I'm not mistaken I don't remember the following titles having this at least to the extent of RE2's.
Oh yea re2 even had a comercial done by George r. Romero
Marketing truly is a big factor
Also, you have to remember that everyone including my grandma had a PS1, and by then many were hacked (mine had a chip for copied gamnes)
Not
Beat RE 1 Remake for the first time yesterday. Beat the OG PS1 RE a year or two ago. What a masterpiece, still holds up today.
You're right that RE 2&3 should've gotten GC remakes
re1 remake is still the best game they ever made
It may very well be, it also sold incredibly poorly on its first GameCube release
Not
RE4 was literally the RE that started destroying the franchise, not by the story but by the gameplay, focused more on the action than on the horror, the worst thing is that the original game sold practically nothing. And the following RE followed the same ideas, which as we know were the worst REs in the franchise... almost the franchise died, RE7 saved the franchise because it went back to its origin: Terror.
The RE7 is the 2nd best-selling RE in the franchise!
Capcom: puts their remake of an old-style survival horror game on a console typically marketed to younger consumers that’s lagging behind in sales compared to its competitors, and proceeds to not port it to any of those competitors
Remake: doesn’t sell well
Also Capcom: 😮
I'm starting to think it was on purpose so they'd have the excuse to take the series in RE4's direction.
@@daveweaver3886 Well at that time „Black Fog" was still planned to be final version.
@@Gwyn770 Not to mention the "Hookman" iteration
Dude these videos are so important. I’m not even an OG survival horror fan but I would love to see RE fans get official 2 & 3 artistic remasters (that maybe add stuff and DO NOT delete content) before I die. You guys deserve it.
Yeah that would be super cool, problem is, these games still look dam good for their time.
I would absolutely love that being an OG fan since 7 years old. I thought the switch would at least get them
Wish there were more purple like you trying to get us some classic feel back to the series.
Thank you! I really wish RE3 didn’t get the short end of the stick…
get official 2 & 3 artistic remasters" what he askl is absurd.
I'm gonna need you to say this a little louder for the people in the back.
Hi avalanche reviews!
@@schemar17 hi!
No
Huh, this is honestly the first time I've ever heard about this sentiment. Like everyone know's RE 4 was a massive sucess that helped create a new genre and drastically shift the direction of RE for years but "save" it? From what? Even when it wasn't as big as it was up to that point RE was one of Capcom's most sucessful IP's ever only really behind Street Fighter. The hype was slightly dying down by then cause the last mainline game, Nemesis, was 5-6 years old at that point and the IP was surviving off spin-off games of varying quality.
Saying RE 4 "saved" RE is like saying Breath of the Wild "saved" Zelda. Massive influential games sure but the IP was doing perfectly fine both quality and profit wise.
RE remake was a failure. Had RE4 also failed, that would've been the end of it.
Yes but for how much longer would they have been successful? That’s what this video fails to address from a business perspective. Companies that fail to progress stay stagnant, there becomes a lack of growth. RE4 was THAT game which brought that growth back to the series. To add to this, gaming companies are not interested in only pleasing their older fan base. These companies understand as people age they tend to get busy with life and do not have the time to spend playing these games as much, thus leading to the consumer becoming less engaged with content. The goal is to target new audience bases and figure out how to keep that cycle going. Not to mention RE4 set the industry standard on the 3rd person POV. If a company is setting industry standards it’s is considered a success by its peers. I sympathize with this creator because he is an OG fan and he wants what he got from his childhood, but unfortunately business demands otherwise. You either adapt, or die. That is business, at least for this industry.
@@Bino8724 The whole reason as to why those games failed is because of the bad decisions and exclusivity deals made by capcom. Mayo never argued that RE 4 was unnecessary or never made series even more popular in the first place his whole point was against those people who use the success of RE 4 and lackluster sales of other 6th gen titles to say "RE was dying". As to why RE 4 came out the way it did,it's not because of desperation for newer audience but out of an intent to shift the direction because the team itself was already burnt out on classic formula not because of sales but because they have already perfected,improved and innovated on their design to a point where no amount of gimmicks would have prevented formula from going stale. In short,the whole point of video was "RE 4 didn't saved the series,but it made it even more popular than it already was".
@@Eshanthegreat so then you agree that if not for RE4 the series’s would go stale, which in almost all circumstances leads to decline is profits, market share and overall growth. It’s quite clear RE4 saved the company from financial crisis which is something yourself and even capcom mentioned.
@@Rihcterwilker It failed because it released exclusively to the purple lunchbox. Why do you think a ps2 port of RE4 was out not even a year after its release? Because that gamecube install base was crap.
Re1 remake sold really well when they re released on everything around 2014. Almost like getting it off desert gamecube island was exactly what RE1 Remake needed.
For a fan of survivor horror games, it's so heartbreaking to hear this narrative for so much years that people aren't all that interested in horror games anymore, and wanted more action focused stuff. All because and bad deal between Capcom and Nintendo.
@@EggEnjoyer Re 4 had an extremely troubled development. The team wanted to make the game scarier than before, but due to hardware limitations about 3 ideas were scraped. So because Shinji Mikami was tired of Re formula he made it more action based.
@@EggEnjoyer ok!
@@orangeslash1667hardware limitations? If the gc was much more powerful than the ps2 paperweight
No
This video describes what I don't like about a lot of sequels that go in a different direction. It's not that the new direction is bad, it's that the original style wasn't continued. The RE2 remake is fine, but it's a different game set in the same story. Like if Halo 1 was remade in the style of Halo Wars.
I would not quite go that far, since I feel the differences between an Action-Shooter and an RTS game are more vast. Those are, compared to the differences between a Survival Horror built around cinematic fixed cameras and a Survival Horror built around an over-the-shoulder camera.
I might instead compare it to a scenario, where Nintendo decided to remake TLoZ: A Link to the Past, only to ditch the classic top-down perspective in favor of the camera system in TLoZ: Ocarina of Time. Not only that, it would be like if Nintendo stopped making top-down Zelda games altogether, denying fans the option of older-style games like A Link Between Worlds, the remake of Link’s Awakening, etc.
I mean, if you look at early footage of Halo 1, it was going to be an RTS, so its not too far off. But I understand your point.
I was actually going to make the Zelda reference too, or more aptly with Mario, because both Zelda styles play largely the same (excepting Breath of the Wild) whereas 2D and 3D Mario games are very different (collect stars, revisit worlds, more expansive moveset, largely only single player, vs get to the end of the level, linear progression, limited moveset, and usually multiplayer).
NO
My introduction to Resident evil was 4 by a friend who was a fan from res 1.
Recently he made me play the original res 3 and now we are gonna play Res 1.
Long story short, you make an excellent point. This happens quite often in videogames and most of the times the change makes the game unrecognizable.
It's funny how close this is to how I first played the series...it all started with RE4, but then I tried RE3 and found myself liking that style of gameplay more than RE4 (as much as I enjoyed it) then I played RE2 and RE1 before getting myself a Gamecube to play RE0 and RE1 Remake.
I started with 4 as well around 2019 when I saw my friend play it on his laptop during school. I thought it was interesting and since I've never played a real horror game before I decided why not at least try it. I played it until the part before Mendez boss fight but then I got busy with school exams and stopped playing.
Then a couple of months later the pandemic happened and I heard about how good the remake for re2 was, so I decided to try the og. And I was hooked right off the bat, though the tank controls did feel weird and I still have trouble moving precisely sometimes (probably because my controller sucks and pressing up sometimes registers left and right).
Re2 made me a fan of the series, it actually has good horror and the tank controls gave a bit of tension because of how clunky it is to move. I also like the metroidvania-like exploration where you find an item and backtrack to progress, something missing from re4.
I'm still confused on how to feel about the change in the series, I like that the series is diverse and there's a type of game for people who enjoy horrors, action, or even just exploring the scenery in the game. RE is probably one of my most favourite franchises now, I just hope they don't make a bad move and release missed opportunities like 6 and 3 remake.
@@Enzed_ Props for going back to the original re2 after having heard about or seen remake2. The original re2 has a very cool style and sound design that got changed significantly in remake, the puzzles and collecting was a lot more involved to get out through the sewer, the 3 medallions to fight Birkin always seemed weird in the remake and then the chess puzzle was toned back too making it a quick exercise, where instead the original had you carrying mostly chess pieces and running w few weapons and no inventory space, or had you backtracking some for them.
Completing the original re2 is such a fun time and felt very very rewarding. It's tricky to master and not very forgiving, if you can start remembering basic layouts and try to start going for A or S ranks, or play to a save point and then reload and do that section better time, that's when it gets the most fun. Most people need more hand holding though, so of course the mostly linear but open layout of re4 is popular.
I liked re2 because of the insane game design playing 2 campaigns to beat the game, and having the 2 characters intersect, the writing is a thing of beauty, and I wish they didn't have to sacrifice it so much like they ended up doing in the remake bc the A B scenario used to be even better than they pulled off in 2019.
Again, props for going and checking out the original, there are tons of good reasons to, even though I really enjoy the 2 remake, if I want to get truly immersed and get the heart racing, I'll play the original re2
@@penguinjay I've beaten re2 like 6 times I think, I even got the A rank on one of them. I decided to try the og games because during the pandemic I only had my old ps2 to play games on cuz my laptop died. I decided to try it out and it became my favourite RE game. I've also gotten more attached to my ps2 since then, I didn't think about it much when I was a kid cuz back then I only watched my brother play games cuz I kinda sucked, now it's my favourite console cuz of the huge library of games that I can't believe I missed out so much on.
The good thing about re2 remake that I enjoyed after getting to play it recently is that it's a blast to speedrun because of how easy it is to learn, I still have trouble with dodging zombies in the og. I've also beaten the remake around 4 times. But I do really miss the proper a b scenario system. The soundtrack is fine cuz there's dlc to change it to the og.
@@Enzed_ I really respect your choice to try the ogs! It’s not often people do that. As a fan since 2000, you have my thanks! Did you try RE3: Nemesis yet?
I am one of the people that have visited old Res E games because of Res E 4, and I have to say, fell in love with the older formula. Wish there were more masterpieces like them.
Me too. Started with RE1 Remake then bought the og trilogy on ps3. Hooked instantly.
Same
@@Rorschach97 The reason RE 4 is an action game is because the development of RE 4 was extremely troubled. There were about three cool ideas for the game that had to be scraped due to hard ware limitations. After that Shinji didn't want RE 4 be be the exact same thing as RE 1 so a change had to be made.
Wish there were more masterpieces like them. " are you kidding ? there's already the three first games, code veronica, RE0.. the old fashioned fanboys shopuld calm down themselves
@@daegnaxqelil2733CV was more of an action game compared to the other games. And re0 was mediocre as hell. CV was still pretty good though, I will admit.
Shinji Mikami may have directed RE1 and REmake, but as well as insisting on GameCube exclusivity for REmake he had also wanted RE2 to be the definitive end to the series. It's sad that only the latter position was overruled by others in Capcom.
@@HouseTrapJaythat doesn’t really surprise me considering the only sequel he ever directed in his career was 4, and that was only due to its rocky development, and it’s not uncommon for that to happen. MGS2 was meant to be the last one, then 3 due to dev trouble, then 4 due to the death threats konami got when it was revealed Kojima wasn’t directing it. Not many devs want to be working on the same franchise for years, and want to branch off to something new.
@@HouseTrapJay Sometimes creators don't want to the same thing over and over again, otherwise Shinji would not have been involved with Evil Within 2 and High Five Rush. You know how people are complaining about Call of Duty getting so stale😪😪😪😪😪😪???
@@orangeslash1667 Its understandable but Mikami did made many other sucessful projects in Capcom and he had creative freedom to make various games
@@Dragonfury3000 The problem is that Clover Studios was shut down because Viewtiful Joe and God Hand didn't sell well. In case you forgot Mikami created God Hand.
@@orangeslash1667 yeah but those were fully creative projects from him at least. He knew the consequences of making those.
Resident evil was a big franchise before RE4. What 4 did was start the transition from resource management and survival horror to the action oriented shoot-‘em-up you see in 4-6.
In my unpopular opinion Veronica is definitely my favourite non-numbered RE game and in my top 3 of all RE games.
Your opinion on CV is not so unpopular, it’s the newer fans of the series that made it so controversial. Every old school RE fan I talk to LOVES that one.
Wrong
For almost two decades at this point the conventional wisdom I’ve heard (and sort of have to agree with) is that Resident Evil 4 was really good. But it’s popularity as an action didn’t just change the direction of RE series but essentially helped push traditional survival horror games out of the mainstream. You needed backlash against RE6, and viral clips of twitch streamers screaming at indie horror games for Residential 7 and 8 to happen.
Shouldn't you blame capcom for not understanding what made it popular in the 1st place? It's not the game's fault for being good, if blaming re4 is your point.
@@insertnamehere658 4 was deliberetely dumbed down to appeal to the lowest common denominator. All the stables of the series were dropped in favor of pure action and loot, and teenagers loved it. Can't blame Capcom for giving nu RE fans what they wanted.
@@cuttrogue so more action just means that it was dumbed down? Doesn't matter if it's well designed and balanced, has great atmosphere, combat and lore. Just because it's action survival horror, you don't like it?
The fact that you say the game is pure action says it all. It had plenty of slower moments in between its big set pieces. Moments where the game slows down and you get to take in the atmosphere.
Yeah, sure. Only teenagers like action. Not like it was universally praised by everyone, including adults when it came out. And let's face it, a lot of kids played classic RE too. Do you now think that horror is for kids who can't handle action?
Just admit that YOU don't like it, and don't try to put down the game and its fans for liking it.
@@insertnamehere658 Yes - cookie clicker is also perfectly balanced and designed. Removing majority of puzzles and dumbing down few that's left, severely easyfying the action part of the gameplay and basically eliminating resources management and planning is dumbing down, yes.
@@cuttrogue Shinji Mikami said that he run of ideas of how to push the series forward, and didn’t want to do the same thing again. So he chose to do something different.
Why RE4 always takes the blame for action? No one played Code Veronica? Wesker doing matrix shit, Alfred is a typical bond villain, steve is a horny teenager with double luegers, Alexia was an anime character with pyromancy and claire did super agent stunts before Leon made it mainstream lmao😂
I think it started with RE3, it's more linear with a big action boss you fight multiple times in the game. Although it obviously doesn't go as far as RE4 with having a lot more mobs, ammo and combat in general.
I hope you can make a video on the original Resident Evil 3 and show people that the game is not a "cash grab".
This. Every time someone saya that it reuses assets and overall lazy, it drives me crazy. The only assets they reused was the R.P.D. Even the zombie models were original, unlike the remake.
Wait, there are people claiming RE3 was a cashgrab?! I never heard this claim till now
@@YEY0806 UA-camrs like Datrigan, SomeOrdinaryGamers and multiple games journalists have made this claim, which I've never understood.
@Joshua Nelson that's total bullshit. The RE3 original wasn't even ported to multiple systems like RE4 or Skyrim. It's barely respected as a cashcow enough to get an honourable remake because they assumed that people wouldn't care about it that much.
Seriously, by that logic, then RE4 is a cashgrab because Capcom has been taking "how to make cashcow" pages from Bethesda. Another thing that makes that criticism irrelevant is considering the fact that this in an INDUSTRY, games don't make themselves from trees, they are made by talented people who are given money and the company expects a return of greater investment. Those people also need money in order to live their lives. So, every game is made to at least be profitable so that the series can keep going.
@@YEY0806 it's been like that since it first released. I cannot tell you how BS that statement is. Everything before and after the RPD section is all brand new content. It even has gameplay mechanics that RE1 and RE2 don't have.
You are absolutely right. Resident Evil Remake is the best game in the series and masterpiece. Just a shame Capcom chose to make Reimaginings of the other games in the series instead of remaking them. If RE2 and RE3 were remade in the early 2000s like the original Resident Evil was then they more than likely would have been faithful remakes and not the reimaginings we got in 2019 and 2020 with cut locations and enemies, changed lore, and removed zapping system and live selection choices. And yes I bought a GameCube just for Resident Evil Remake.
Wrong
I am currently in the process of making something very similar to the re4 HD project with the original RE 3 nemesis, it will retain its fixed camera angles and be made with the player models of the umbrella chronicles which are similar in feel to the GameCube remake. I’m about 3 years into this endeavor and am looking forward to releasing it for free in the year 2025 hopefully 🤞🏽
How can I find it?
@@matthewjamescarbonell5972 I concur. I'd love to follow this project!
i bet its gonn alook like straight shit
I'd keep this project on the DL until you finish it so Capcom doesn't send a cease and desist or something. Finish it, upload then tell everyone so people can get it and archive it before capcom tries to take it down.
I've seen too many fan projects get the axe before their prime. Generally because a news outlet blows the project up and the game company notices.
Sounds great. Good luck mate.
The other issues with 2&3's remakes is the fact that their original counterparts aren't as easily available compared to re4 copies can get pricey for retro games and the pc ports/emulation aren't exactly casual friendly
You can easily play Og Trilogy on Pc with Classic REbirth patch
@@FIREDAN075 meant for console players or just people that are casual in general I know it’s not hard but it’s still more work than just buying it on steam and playing
All this does is scare me knowing that this is metaphorically how life works. We have our good era’s and our downfalls and then we must rise up again. That marriage you might have might have its best years and then suddenly something will change and it’s going out of control faster than your ability to do anything about it. This could also apply to your business, job, health, etc. This video is just a metaphor for life and how change is the only constant. Some things last but damn there’s a fine NARROW line on how to get that right the first time.
It’s a game dude
@@willissudweeks1050 the analogy can still apply. if you only see everything in life at face value thats on you bruh.
you could say the same pointless statement about life. its called nihilism. and technically nothing has meaning humans just gave things meaning to cope. So its just life my guy, and in the grand scheme of thing life is just as insignificant as a video game. The sun will die and with it our solar system.
its ok little npc i know you aren't capable of pondering much outside what your corporate and media overlords tell ya.
@@fucksusan.fuckcensorship.874 Mmmm no I actually have a life with depth to it so I don’t have to seek it out from video games haha
@@fucksusan.fuckcensorship.874 Thank you for the psuedo intellectual rant though.
@@willissudweeks1050 if you got to explain to me you have a life on the internet and double comment you clearly dont.
you have a pokemon profile pic and you're acting above people. OK so much more mature being obsessed with kids cartoons.
Ya some depth my guy. about as deep as a puddle.
Resident evil remake on GC was a game changer for me in my teens. Then 0 came out, then 4 in such a small amount of time! It was the best time to be a RE fan until 7 finally came out.
Ew re7 🤢🤮🤮
@@olliejabooty6777ok boomer
Capcom seems to have clearly needed the money injection from Nintendo. Obviously none of us were there but I'm not sure Sony was willing to go all in on Capcom like Nintendo was. You say an RE2 and 3 Remake would have happened like then as if it's guaranteed.
I don't believe RE1 Remake would have had the timeless appeal that the Gamecube title ended up having. I think that the visual style present in the Gamecube version elevated the experience and gave it a cutting edge appeal that wouldn't have been present had it been developed for the PS2. PS2 is my favorite system but I think Mikami was right when he picked the Gamecube as the vehicle for that era of the series. It was a gamble that didn't initially pay off as much as it should have, but it allowed him and his team to make the best possible games that they could at the time which had a ripple effect today. It's just unfortunate that the wrong lessons were learned.
Keep in mind, while an RE1 remake on PS2 would have probably sold really well, it probably wouldn't have been as good. The Gamecube was a much more powerful system than the PS2 (Look at comparisons between RE4 on the Gamecube vs PS2 to see what I mean) and a lot of specific effects and art design choices would have been changed to to fit the weaker hardware. I'm shocked that RE1 remake came out over 20 years ago because the game as aged like fine wine artistically, thanks in part due to the Gamecube being as strong as it was.
@@Odinsday Exactly!
That's exactly what I'm trying to say, thank you!
It also gave you basically unlimited ammo, gave you easier arenas to fight bosses in, made enemies attacks so telegraphed slowpoke Rodriguez could dodge them, and gave you counter guns because tension is bad.
@Megamax what are you talking sbout? The remake didn't give you unlimited ammo,or that many in the beginning
As someone that played them all as they came out, my personal favs were 1 and 2. 3 was more of the same, 4 had some great mechanics and while I don't mind the campiness and outlandish plot, part of what Ioved about the original was the more real (for a zombie game) concept and especially the fact that your character was not some superhuman badass.
The slower pace made it feel like your character actually had to take their time to aim and enemies were lethal up close, no roundhouse kicks or piledrivers. Then the enemies were realistic, mostly normal creatures mutated by the BOW with a few engineered ones who broke free.
I still love all the games but would love to know what could have been if they stayed truer to the originals in terms of scale, atmosphere and theme.
Dude, I’m with you. The og trilogy was heavily inspired by 70s 80s zombie and sci fi flicks down to their soundtracks. There’s no other games that I’ve seen that do that. Woulda been cool to see them cultivate it.
I refused to buy 4 for the reasons you mentioned. Now I see all these nu RE4 fans shitting on the r4make that actually brought many concepts of original first 3 titles back and just smh.
Re4 didnt save the series, it elevated the franchise to new heights of popularity.
Cap. Most fans say downfall of the original feel/soul of resident Evil. The Game that was the biggest market success Re5 so Re4 didn't even take the crown for most popular
@@mysteryace2129 re5 literally exists because of re4’s success like what are you talking about?
@@prl4122 And sold less. Showing that Re4 didn't "save" squat and was just an action game like the rest of them. Re7 was the one that really saved the franchise and brought it back to its roots.
@@mysteryace2129 cope as hard as you want re4 will always be the top the franchise will ever have and never top lmao
@@blackvalio4060 Re4 lickers already here
Re1,Re2, Re3, Re7>>>> Re4 basic action movie ripoff BS
Back in 2002, I got the gamecube simply to play Resident Evil Remake
As much as I love the style of 4, I never thought of the original style of games as losing its touch
code veronica made me question it a bit though to be honest....that game had terrible design..that one was one and done for me
@Ultraman619 can't argue that. Honestly my mind didn't even go there-i didn't have a dreamcast at that time so I played remake and zero long before I touched cv
@@jimmyrolls37 didnt cv come to the gamecube later
@Jimmeh Rulez yeah but it wasnt easiest game to find, nor were re2 and re3 on gamecube. Plus at like $40 each, a Hugh school kid with no job can only buy so many games lol. So, I didn't have it on gamecube
@@JimmehRulez although I do have a copy of it now lol
Resident evil 4 changed the game into something new that was alright but even back then I remember wishing they had stayed with static camera angles and focused more on horror.
Same. I actually had a gamecube and I didn't even bother getting RE4 because it looked so action oriented.
@@abstractdaddy1384 don’t get me wrong…4 and 5 are awesome action games. I’ve actually played them a ton. Didn’t care for 6, 7 or 8 at all.
@@999heretic999 7 is so damn good
@@bepohal a lot of people think so but I disagree. Feels like a really outdated shooter and you move super slow. I didn’t like the story and didn’t like Ethan winters as a protagonist. There’s plenty of other horror shooters out there to play. This is my opinion only.
@@999heretic999 i respect your opinion and at the end you like it or you don't. it brought back the magic old RE games created
I dreamed of an RE2 and RE3 Remake in the style of RE1 Remake when I was younger. I was so disappointed that we not only didn't get them, but that they also turned RE4 into an action game.
Ig the biggest disappointment with wt u said was butchering 3R even makin RC smaller gameplay wise thn the tiny village in 8,and ofc nemesis...
There was RE 0 so there's that.
@@kickassguy211 Forget RE 0. That game was not good.
@@TitanBolt99 Hey i liked it :D
Even though I agree on this vid. The thing is that Shinji Mikami himself said countless of times he was tired of the same survival-horror formula. That was why RE4 took so long to be released, and was re-re-re made so many times. Even though CV and Resident evil REmake would have been released on PS2 since the beggining, Shinji Mikame would still have created Resident Evil 4 as the game we know.
Totally. And I'm not saying that shouldn't have happened. RE4 is great the way it is. I'm just saying it didn't HAVE to be that way.
@@underthemayoyeah. That's why I said I totally agree with you. I just wanted to make that point a little bit clearer 😊
Nowhere did Shinji Mikami verbalize that the grueling take on creating a survival horror with zombies, Resident Evil 3.5, was intended for another authentic title, the limitations of the Gamecube would not have allowed it to be released to the general public.
Let's not forget that because Resident Evil 5 was made "preponderant", he vanished and other people surmounted.
Great video as always and you pretty much said what I have been telling people for years in regards to sales and that crappy exclusivity deal that ruined the sales of RE1 Remake (and I'd also argue RE0)
My only disagreement with you is about how the series would have looked like have Capcom NOT botched the marketting of RE1 Remake with the exclusivity deal....I don't think that RE4 in it current state would have been a thing...instead I'd argue it would be closer to the scrapped RE4 demo (aka RE 3.5) and the series wouldn't too actionized as it did.
However, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that we may have gotten a third person shooter in the style of RE4, just not under the "Resident Evil" name.
It wasnt crappy and it didnt ruin anything. This video sucks.
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@@firestrikeriii5043 Calm your tits.
Secondly, it did ruin survival horror and the video is indeed on point with that.
RE4 is a great game in it's own right, sure and I still love it (and I enjoyed the remake even more)...but it's not a survival horror game and if you're gonna deny that it is an action game with horror themes, they you either never experienced a survival horror game before or you're just a young gamer that only cares for horror themed action games and confuse them with survival horror (and I am not saying that in a disrespectful way).
I am more than happy to have a civil discussion, but only if you drop the attitude and we can start over.
I had the exact issue you described with RE1R being hardlocked to a Gamecube. Working class family in coastal New Zealand, lack of availability, rare to see anyone with a Gamecube, almost every other person I knew had a PS1 and/or PS2 though. Born in 1995 so I couldn't exactly save up to purchase the console with RE1R. It was always something I was constantly aware of, maintaining a mythic status where I sporadically saw posters, old advertisements, etc. I still played the original RE1 despite not knowing how to progress further than the first few floors, it honestly might have been one of the first video games I ever played. If the remake was available on PS2 I definitely would have rented/begged my parents to buy it despite not being in that perceived demographic of who the title was marketed towards. I never had the money to own RE4, I still remember having a chest infection at the age of 11/12 and blasting through a rented copy in a matter of days. It was the only RE title I'd ever actually finished at that point.
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100% agree. No fucker had a game cube back in the day. Fortunately i had a friend who had one and was into resident evil as much as i was. So i used to go round to his and we would play re1 remake/ re4 for hours! Good times
EVERYONE had a gamecube
Purchased a GameCube just for REmake and 100% agree that remakes of 2 and 3 would have happened if they were released on PS2. Action style is what they always wanted and I am so glad that crashed and burned for them in RE6 allowing them to go back to survival horror. I love RE2make since they seem to finally find the perfect balance between action and horror. Don't hate me but I 2005 RE4 is very low on my RE list of favorites (cutscene QTE and Ashley being main reasons) but RE4make instantly became one of my top RE titles. Like a lot of people out there I really hope Code Veronica gets the same kind of love in the future. Steve being the number 1 opportunity for improvement and Alfred to be made into a (still villain) but tragic character
If they do a remake they need to get alyson court back to do the voice of Claire Redfield.
I didn't like the new voice actress for Claire in the re2 remake
I would love to have Alyson back, I didn't think Stephanie (or "James" ReRev2) did a bad job at all. My brain just automatically tries to hear Alyson everything Claire talks. Capcom seems to be going for non union actors who can do motion capture and dialog, Alyson is union and I don't think she does mocap
@@rjkolbe82 Mikami said that he was not a fan of Sony pushing the DVD format, as it was outside the realm of gaming. Which is why he trusted Nintendo.
@@orangeslash1667 I also suspect he likley knew he could get better quality graphical results on the Gamecube over the PS2
WRONG.
I think one of the reasons Shinji Mikami wanted the exclusivities was because, despite being the less successful console, the Gamecube was the most powerful system among the Xbox, PS2, and GC lineup. In fact the system's hardware was the exact reason he and the rest of Capcom wanted to do RE4 and REmake on GC.
Are the reasons understandable? Kind of. They had to make a metric fuck ton of changes to RE4's models, levels, and cutscenes in order to get it working on the PS2 and it's safe to say because of that the PS2 version visually looks the worst out of the other versions on consoles. And Shinji REALLY didn't want REmake to suffer the same fate.
But at the same time if they could get RE4 to work on the PS2, then sacrificing the visuals of REmake shouldn't matter expecially considering we know with the release of RE4 on other consoles post Xbox, PS2, and GC that the visuals of the Gamecube version were eventually used for re-releases with the costumes and modes from the PS2 version getting upscalled to match the GC's visual style alongside being ported with future re-releases.
The same thing could've happened for REmake on PS2, sure the visuals would've taken a big hit and the cutscenes more than likely woud've been replaced with ugly FMVs instead of the gorgeous pre-rendered in-game style ones like with RE4's and their quick-time events, but if it means reaching out more and making more money then the ends justify the means especially if eventual re-releases end up doing what RE4 did as I mentioned.
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In a way it save it. It made it popular once again
Nah, RE2 sold gangbusters. It didn't need "saving"
You may have completely missed the point of the video there. It wouldn't have needed 'saving' in the first place if Capcom had any idea what they were doing on the publishing side.
@@habadasheryjones in 1998 it didn’t need saving. It was the golden era. 2001-2004? Definitely needed it
@@seanylewl I don’t believe fixed camera tank control REs would’ve thrived in the 2000s and into today. It wasn’t just a publishing deal. That’s only one part of it
I'd argure it only introduced non-Resident Evil fans to the series.
RE4 is actually what made me take a break from the franchise. I loved 1-3 and CV. I didn't care for the added action they put in 4. It also seemed more cartoony compared to the originals. As I'm playing RE4 Remake, even though I'm enjoying it I can't help but compare it to RE2 Remake...
Man, you could straight talk about garbage for HOURS and I still love watching your video! Great video as always!
Facts. I love his voice 😍
Stop talking about RE2 and 3 Nemesis remakes in the style of RE1 remake.
You, sir, have NO BUSINESS hurting me like that. Especially RE3 Nemesis. Stop burning my wounds further.
I'm not that high on remakes. I somewhat hate what they do for the most part, actually.
But a RE3 Nemesis remake in the style of RE1 Remake? GIMME DAT. The current RE3 i have can last me this lifetime, but still.
In my country (Ukraine) GameCube was basically non-existent. I was very surprised to learn there was a Remake of the original RE, and I was even more surprised to learn it was an exclusive for some console absolutely no one heard about. While EVERYONE played RE games on Playstation, which was a very popular console. After RE3 the series just kinda disappeared.
I experienced a huge feeling of despair for not being able even theoretically get what I wanted. I had to simply deal with it. I felt like I was not invited to the party of my friends, like all the world was able to play games I was unable to, I felt separated and left alone. Which is kinda strange, but yeah, it is what it is.
For some reason PS2 wasn't as popular as PS1 in Ukraine, probably because PC was becoming a much more common and universal tool for gaming, because everything was pirated, including copies of PS1 games sold at stores, but having a computer you didn't even need to buy games, you could just download it, so why buying PS2 and then buying games for it? Games like SH2-3, MGS2-3, RE4 (unlike RE5 which did release on PC) only became accessable to me in 2010s when emulators became a thing for PS2.
People overlook that RE4 was exclusively on GameCube for quite some time as well and outperformed the RE1 remake by a decent bit. That isn’t an excuse that the RE1remake can use. 4 did save the series, I don’t know why it genuinely seeks to hurt people to have to admit that. It doesn’t mean the other games are bad. People just lost interest in the same thing over and over. Shinji Mikami even touched on that when discussing what led to 4’s change in style.
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@@ashleylee364 True.
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Agreed on all points.
I knew maybe one kid back then with a GameCube. Everyone has a PS2.
I never even got to play that remake until they released it on PS4.
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How did I miss this video. I've been saying this for years. It's such a no brainer. Capcom killed classic RE. There's no way around it.
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Good video man.
I think the history of RE has always been: Capcom does "something" (usually business and trend oriented), and fans defend it to death, and put a positive spin on it.
Capcom does away with old cameras and goes for more action? Fans: it was needed, they saved the dying formula.
Capcom turns 5 and 6 into crazy michael bay: Fans: ofc its an action series with superheroes now, the characters grew and became experts and it can't be just zombies and small contained locations all the time!
Capcom releases Revelations 1 & 2 in most platforms: Fans: there you go! now the revelations series can be the horror RE series, and the main entries can continue with the action
Capcom announces RE2R after public demand. Fans: YES! WE DO IT! MAKE IT JUST LIKE RE1R!!!
Capcom shows RE2 isn't much of a remake after all: Fans: OMG LOOK AT THOSE GRAPHICS AND ZOMBIES!, fixed cams suck anyway, they were obsolete!
Capcom releases the reimagining of RE2. Fans: it's supposed to be new and modern! duh!, they can't bring back those terrible old controls and cameras, get up with the times!
Capcom destroys RE3R in nearly every way possible. Fans: Its fine! RE3 og was already short, and more action focused than 2 and just a spinoff, and nobody liked it as much as the others anyway, we should be thankful they did it at all!
Capcom shows and releases RE8. Fans: boobs! vampires! werewolves! boobs!, horror? nah RE7 was too scary, 8 has the best things of 4 now, its a shooter, it has a merchant and weapon upgrades.
Capcom releases RE4R: Fans: incredible! perfect! the best game ever made! RE4 og sucked anyway! and this new one is all serious and realistic and dark and scary!!! no more dumb things! absolutely NOTHING WAS LOST! EVERYTHING IS BETTER!
Capcom does terrible new OSTs: Fans: bro if you like the old music that much just buy the DLC from the remakes and that's it! you should be thankful they sell it to you, it shows how much they care for the old ones.
While some of these dumb pseudo-arguments were invented by fans, sometimes capcom execs and devs invent them first or keep them going. It's a beautiful symbiotic relationship.
BREAKING NEWS: "The fifth new GameSpot show is How It Saved. The series is hosted by GameSpot senior producer Dave Klein, and it documents how specific games have pulled franchises back from the brink, or in some cases, how they help game studios stay up and running. The first episode airs May 7 and is called "How Resident Evil 4 Saved Resident Evil."
what a coincidence
LMAO! I feel somewhat like a hypocrite cause I do love a lot of Capcom franchises but I cannot stand Capcom fanboys.
Man you just ruined my day, thinking that there could be remakes like RE1 but with RE 2, 3 and CV makes me want to die. good video btw
Re4 is a fun action game and had a huge influence on the i
ndustry but I hate what it did to survival horror.
Besides it was ported to every platform under the sun while REmake was only released in a console that bombed until the HD re release.
Those tank controlled games from the PS1 era were huge sellers.
I solely blame it on over saturation. Capcom loves to flood the market. I think they would have got more sales if they just released these games two or three years apart from each other. RE 4 would have suffered the same fate if it had been released a year later after code veronica.
Great video. As much as I loved the RE2 and 4 remakes (I even enjoyed 3 to a lesser extent), the RE1 remake is still my favorite of the franchise. Even though I'm grateful that we are finally getting remakes of our beloved classics, I too would have preferred them to be in the style of the RE1 remake.
The Resident Evil remake is the best game from Resident evil franchise. I literally bought a GameCube for the remake and that's it
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On a side note, rhythm games were not only useful to sell peripherals. I am a musician and producer today partially thanks to Guitar Hero and Rock Band, and I know I'm not the only case. There's a whole mini generation of guitarists who had GH/RB as an entry point, and personally I also discovered some of my favorites there, in addition to the opportunity of exploring a lot of stem tracks thanks to the fandom
All I had to say once I saw the title was thank god I wasn't the only one thinking this. Even before watching the video, I agreed with the title.
After watching the video itself, I still agree with you about RE1 Remake and why it didn't sell well initially despite how good of video game Remake it was. It was never going to sell well with it confined to the Gamecube. I can understand why Capcom made the deal with Nintendo, but I also think it wasn't their best idea as the Gamecube was the lowest selling console to that generation. and I bet a good amount of sales came from parents buying them for their kids. A lot of the older gamers were on the PS2 and Original Xbox playing GTA and FPSs.
Honestly, I wished I could've seen the timeline were REmake got multiple ports during its initial release. Perhaps RE2 and 3's Remakes would've happened right after; and also become classics. I enjoy the new Remakes, but there was always a big part of me that wanted them to be made in the same style as RE1's Remake.
ALL WRONG.
You forgot to mention that Resident Evil 1 Remake HD Remaster sold more than the GameCube version did.
Well, I showed it.
@@underthemayo sorry, I missed heard it. Could you show me the timestamp, so I won't have to rewatch it again, please?
NOT.
Very interesting video and raises a lot of "what if" questions. If RE1 Remake was released on PS2, would RE4 been made in the same vein as RE1 - RE3? If that was the case, I wonder what other game would heavily mold the action genre
Good thing to ponder
RE2 remade in the same fashion as RE1 is all I ever wanted...
I think that one Spinoff you should take in consideration is Outbreak and it failing on Sony hardware. Maybe they did consider that idea of keeping both styles.
But yeah, really sad we never got the R3make we deserved and a RE2 remake like the first
Honestly great video mate. Great to see these things from a business perspective, and why just making games to make the companies potentially more money can lead to bad sales, and as a result lead to the company thinking it’s not worth it. When it was then who fucked it. Was really well done and it cant’ve been easy holding back those emotions
This is not from a business perspective at all. This title of the video should be “I’m getting older and I’m mad Capcom doesn’t make games to appeal to me anymore”. In business you either adapt or die. Progress or be stagnant. Business’s are not interested in staying stagnant by appealing to the same generation of players, their job is to capture new audiences, they do appeal to older fans but that is not a always primary goal. This is not an objective video and fails to stay on point. I sympathize with this creator because he wants the same style of games he grew up with, unfortunately business wants otherwise. Capcom understand as it’s players grow up they spend less time playing video games, and let’s be real not everyone who played as a kid is a die hard fan still to this day like the creator, many of them have moved on. Capcom was not grabbing anymore market share at the time and was beginning to stagnate, RE4 did it’s job of grabbing that new market share in the industry. It literally set the industry standard of 3rd person POV games, peers in the industry applauded Capcom for that achievement all the while developing the game was a nightmare. How many new fans came to the series because of RE4? I myself am one of them, because if RE4 I am probably going to be a life long fan, it also a positive since newer fans become interested in the OG games. I disagree heavily with this video, it does not bring a objective argument.
I'm just commenting to reaffirm with the other user, this was not an actual business analysis and you will be dumber for having that take away.
Take it for what it was, venting. Mayo here is a layman spitballing an analysis and drawing forgone conclusions based on his emotions. Even the data he pulled is likely quite innacurate. Take it all with a grain of salt.
I think he meant business perspective in regarding sales of similar games and the franchise itself, Which he did cover. Also, mentioning sales of the consoles. So yes he did integrate a business perspective. But also quite a bit of personal opinion.
@@Bardock7132 thank you for your comment. Yes, bit of a personal opinion, and you clearly demonstrate great control of your emotions unlike these brainlets
@@MrWhygodwhy Don’t get why you both are so hostile in trying to demoralise what I took from it. *I* found it interesting looking at it in that perspective.
You guys call me dumb for my views on this topic, but seem to just be closed minded and think your opinion is more important than others.
To hell with just the PS2, slap those remakes of 2 and 3 on the OG Xbox as well.
100% agree with this. RE4 was actually my first RE when I had a GameCube as a kid, and since then I’ve gone back and actually *prefer* the classic survival horror titles (REmake and Code Veronica being my faves of the entire series)
I hate what’s become of it x3
If you never played RE4 you never would have become a fan of the series. This is what RE4 achieved, it captured a new generation of fans to the series. Gaming companies are not always going to cater to aging fans. They are aware that as players grow up they have less time to spend playing the games and often move on. Their focus is to grab new audiences, I strongly disagree with this video.
@@Bino8724 Yes but like i said the whole point of video wasn't to shame RE 4 or to say that it was not needed,but to say that old school RE was killed off by capcom itself due to their bad decisions rather than dying of the natural age as many people claim it to be
@@Eshanthegreat how can you call it “bad decision making” if the company found insane amount of success at the time and for their future lmao. It’s called taking the company into a new direction when the current path no longer works.
@@Bino8724 I would call it bad decisions because
A) Code Veronica was exclusive to Dreamcast at launch which only sold 9M units in total and when it was released to other platforms the damage was already done not to mention it was not a numbered entery
B)Outbreak games inspite of how ahead of their time they were required an internet connection to get the proper multiplayer experience otherwise you are stuck with dumb partners
C)RE 1 remake was gamecube exclusive inspite of RE being one of the biggest faces of playstation at that time and GameCube inspite of how goated it was,was a commercial failure and also was primarily focused on kid friendly content
D) Similar thing could be applied to RE 0 as stated in above point C
Honestly that makes me question did you even watch the entire video my friend?or just was angry that he said something about RE4
@@Eshanthegreat you are saying they made bad business decisions as you’ve just stated in this paragraph and admitted that they were stagnant heading towards of a decline. UNTIL RE4 SAVED them, which once again is the whole point of the video.
If they were doing bad Becuase of all the reasons you just said and then saw success with RE4 would that not mean that game saved the series? The success was not small by any means and capcom admits that very clearly, so unless you know better than the company itself Who are you arguing with other than yourself?
Like cmon did you or Mayo stop to think about what you were arguing? This video should be titled “how Re4 saved the series after multiple blunders”
So thank you for proving the point unintentionally. 😂
You can see a funny version of this playing out with the Final Fantasy devs saying that they needed to change and to move away from Turn Based JRPG gameplay, because it was outdated and doesn't sell, so they pivoted more and more away from it, until they'd somehow pivoted all the way around to making a "Character Action" game, which is a genre so niche there's literally only one successful series in it... because I guess, that's a better selling proposition than their traditional JRPG format.
Meanwhile, traditional turn based JRPGs have continued to be some of the biggest sellers of all time throughout all the time since.
Its good you mentioned the mass appeal of RE4 over the traditional survival horror predecessors, because I remember growing up with those games, and as a kid I just didnt have it in me to understand how to play beyond getting locked out of the game with weird keys I didn't know how to find.
RE4 was a completely different beast, though. It was accessible for anyone who could hold the controller and had the reflexes to cap Ganados. I'll always look at it fondly as the game that introduced me to the series effectively, and like you mentioned also, I went back and fell in the love with the classics, mainly the RE1 remake.
Really well done video. I started with 0 the beginning of this year and worked my way up to 4 remake. 0 and 1 were rough at first but I loved what I was experiencing. 2 and 3 remakes were really fun and even though there was more action, at least 2 had some of the charm with puzzles. Code Veronica was interesting cause it through it back to the old style which I had become accustomed to. Now that I’m on 4 remake I’m struggling hard to enjoy it. The action is balls to the wall and it has a completely different vibe to it than any of the other entries I’ve played so far. Not to mention I lowkey suck at it on standard difficulty…
I definitely bought a Gamecube for Re Remake lol.
I did the exact same with the GameCube. I still remember the EGM cover.. worth playing again.. worth buying a GameCube for.
Re4 is a fun game but I would argue it killed the series because of the direction it set it in. Theres so many action and adventure games. RE creates a new kind of game. Why abandon that?
No it wasnt
Resi 1 on gamecube was one of my most anticipated games ever. I bought a gamecube on launch so was so psyched to see how amazing this game looked in magazines. The jump from 1996 resi 1 to gamecube resi was just unreal.Great upload. I am kinda shocked at how few copies resi 4 sold on ps2. I knew gamecube held back sales but I always assumed resi 4 hit like 4/5 mill sales on ps2. I am also a bit shocked at how much re releases sell years later. I would have assumed 6,7,8 years later interest in buying resi 4 on modern platforms would have waned. Cleary not. I am however delighted with the resi 1 remake being remastered for ps3/4 and steam. Great to see it get some real success like it deserves.
My only beef with RE4 is, and always has been, the lack of actual Zombies.
That's the reason I liked it more, I was getting really bored of generic zombies.
@@rolyatkcirfoksamrorreteht4068 Then play, another, series.
Yep, i solely brought a gamecube just to play re1 remake back when it came out too. Was worth every penny, was an amazing experience.
Till this day i still feel like they made a mistake not remaking re2 and re3 the same way they did part 1
Pretty much the only way there would have been a remake of 2 and 3 that was also faithful to the exact gameplay style is if those remakes had come out during the PS2/GameCube/Xbox days where we were close enough to the original releases. But back in 2004, gaming culture wasn’t as remake happy and remaking multiple old RE games in quick succession wouldn’t have been the popular move it is today
The only reason REmake was done in the first place was Mikami felt there was a lot left on the table with the first game, which didn't age gracefully even within a few years of its release. I guess he felt 2 and 3 hit their mark so that's why they left them alone. It would have been nice to see a Remake treatment of those, but he didn't have much of a reason to compared to the first.
Fixed camera games need to come back in the AAA games. There are plenty of indie games using them. I'm just so sick of the 3rd and 1st person perspective. I think capcom screwed up by not working on a fixed camera perspective mode in the 2&3 Remakes.
@@mrskinszszs Yep, there was a very different threshold back then for games “needing” a top down remake vs just upscaling them to run on new consoles. These days even not only are we so far removed in time from a lot of classic games that rebuilding them to modern standards would make them brand new games automatically, but even The Last of Us 1 got remade, which makes the idea of RE 5 and 6 remakes in the near future way less ridiculous than they have any right to be
@@habadasheryjonesthe indie game market has nowhere near the big audience as AAA.
RE1 (REmake/REmastered) is my favourite game of all time it was the reason I got a GameCube too. I always wanted RE2 and RE3 to be remade just like it, it saddens me that we didn't get them.
People like to point out how badly it sold but I believe it only sold badly because it was gamecube exclusive if it was on PS2 and Xbox it would have sold like hot cakes. Just look at how well it sold on PS4, Xbox and pc when it was remastered. Thanks mayo for making this video I've been saying this for a long time.
FALSE. Gamecube sold well
I absolutely agree with you! I grew up on RE2 when it first released and I absolutely loved the Resident Evil Series. I couldn't play Code Veronica at all because I never owned a dreamcast but I wanted to and since my brother got the PS2, I got the GameCube and played the RE1 Remake and RE0 and finally Code Veronica and loved all three of those games MORE than RE4, even at release. I personally think the original RE4 is the worst in the series as far as numbered titles go as it completely abandoned zombies and survival horror. I never liked RE4 till the recent remake where they actually made it survival horror but I still much rather have a Code Veronica remake as that was always the better game storywise. The RE2 remake was okay, but still disappointing compared to the RE2 Remake I been hoping for. RE4 didn't save the series, it almost destroyed it as it led to 5 and 6. The game that actually saved the series was RE7.
It is NOT the worst
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Didn't ever get to finish the OT back in the day as I was too young, and it scared me.
When I finally played the remaster back on the PS3. I wanted to try and play 2 and 3 OG all the way through and I haven't been able to until recently when I basically torrented a Japanese PC copy.
Really goes to show how difficult it is to play the original games. I hope it gets easier sometime soon for everyone else.
Get epsxe, damn good emulator and it runs the og resi games great these days.
You should start a petition to remake original RE2 and 3 in the same style as RE1 remake
Where do I sign?
Admittedly I also used to feel like RE4 saved the franchise just with how well it sold and how popular it was. I'm glad you held this discussion.
I remember reading a Game Informer article ~Code Veronica was released on the Dreamcast. I couldn't tell you the issue or author but the article 100% was centered around the idea about how RE needs to switch up the formula if it hopes to remain relevant.
I'm not sure how rampant or popular that narrative was (as this was before my family and I had internet) but in hindsight it makes sense that a "niche" franchise 4 games deep should probably evolve in some capacity but not specifically for the purpose of remaining relevant, but to elevate it and expand its audience.
I love classic RE, I can play that shit all day long (actually re-playing through RE3 right now) but I have seen just how much the aspects of classic RE can turn people away from the series through some of my friends and can admit at the end of the day it's a good thing that RE did evolve. I'd love to see RE thrive forever.
It's funny/ironic though how RE had a small death period after 6 though for leaning too heavy onto the action side. Balance truly is the key.
The reason I always saw for this idea that re4 saved the franchise is 4-fold. The first being it's a convenient excuse for capcom to have for their mismanagement of the franchise from all those lackluster spin-offs between 3 and 4. The second being re4 is one of the most influential games of all time and having it have the story of being reworked from the ground up 3 or 4 times until shizza had it just right gives it an even bigger story to be a part of as a underdog that beat the odds. the third being it was the most accessible of the series for a long time everybody and their mother had a ps2 and wii so there was always a good way to introduce people to the series from it and give the speech. And it only got easier with the rereleases for any current console or pc. the fourth and easiest thing is that people want to erase this idea that 4 split the fans back in the day idk if anyone even recalls but I remember alotta people praising the og games over 4 for doing horror better and vice versa for 4 being more fun to play because of the gunplay meanwhile I was somewhere else replaying REmake and 4 not caring about fan arguments that went nowhere.
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I have been saying this for years!!! Oh, my God, dude! Someone finally made a video about it!! People always talk about Resident Evil 4 being a masterpiece as if it saved the franchise, while actually it was responsible for ruining it and turning it into an action horror IP.
i so badly wish we got re2 and 3 remakes on gamecube. every time i see that area from re2 in re0 it makes me want re2 in that engine so bad.
i think re2 remake is highly overrated. i played through it once with leon then once with claire, and that 2nd playthrough was so boring for me that i had no desire to ever look at it again after that, and never had the desire to play re3 remake at all, and i haven't.
if we had re2 and 3 remakes in the same engine as re1r and 0, i have no doubt i would have played through each of them at least a dozen times by now and never would have felt as bored with them as i did playing through re2 remake twice.
Sir, you speak for me and hundreds of my friends. From 2000 and beyond. I don’t know what Capcom’s fascination with Sega and Nintendo.
I vividly remember the amount of anger that my friends and I had that no one had a dream cast and or a game cube to play any of those games.
I could still have a conversation with you about this because you just spoke to my soul, but I definitely feel like Capcom is spinning the narrative (how they always do)and just look how long it took them to give the fans what they wanted in regards to RE4. AND WERE STILL WAITING FOR DINO CRISIS!
Great argument and I liked what you had to say and makes sense about the exclusivity deal been self inflicted wound for the series. I had the GameCube and eventually moved to Playstation growing up and have notice RE 4 seemed to be doing great after it finally moved to other consoles, and heard more talk and attention to it after I had beaten it several times. So I totally believe what you pointed out today. It’s one of my favorites till this day and fell in love when I played the RE 4 exclusive demo. It just makes more sense knowing what I know now.
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It doesnt
I'm not convinced that RE would be as successful if they stuck to the fixed camera style of the original trilogy. Sure, it would probably get critical praise, but Capcom knows that the big numbers are gonna come from the crowd that just to shoot things with a more modern 3rd person over the shoulder or first person view. People who love the survival horror-ness of the games are a lot more few and far between.
And I, personally, can't complain about it. After all, it's because of RE4 and it's success that we got the Dead Space series, which is my personal favorite horror franchise. However, it would be nice if Capcom would continue to acknowledge that fans of the original style existed and made more games or remakes using that style, kind of like how they're doing both first-person RE games and 3rd person RE4 style games. There are fans of both styles so it makes sense to cater to each of them, at least to me. Kind of like how there are fans of 2D Metroid games and fans of the 1st person Prime series. Why not do both? Or in this case, all three.
You say Resident Evil is independent of genre trends, yet Re4 contains many quick time events in their cut-scenes. Something not present in the remake, because it's not a popular convention these days.
I've been literally saying the same thing for like 15 years (or however long people have been making this stupid claim).
As a fan of the originals I disagree immensely. Even among us the fans the formula was getting stale by the time outbreak released. As much as I loved outbreak jank and all, if the series remained the way it was I like many others would have jumped ship. Sales don't mean much, player sentiment does, and the sentiment at the time was it needed something new.
I wanted to play Code Veronica, but didn't have a Dreamcast. I didn't even know it released on PS2 until many years later.
Looking back its not very good at being a survivor horror but its re4 that got me into resident evil games. I played and bought them all and enjoyed every moment with re2 being my fav.
It is action horror. This genre does exist too.
Same for me. RE4 was the 1st RE I bought at launch and absolutely loved it. But I have since gone back and played through many of the older survival horror ones and I enjoyed them too.
It is possible to like both sides of RE. I just prefer Capcom would pick which side they want to focus on with each new RE game. Instead of haphazardly mashing them together like they did with RE4 2023.
@@Gruntvc The problem is Shinji Mikami left Capcom, so it maybe hard for Resident Evil to evolve without him.
I hate the fixed camera angles, feels like Im playing a disabled character or smth
This one of the few times I 100% agree with Mayo. I honestly can't say that this is a hot take. It makes complete sense. Great video.
Yeah you have a point, Capcom also messed up Haunting Ground sales during that time by released it way too close to re4 release, which is a title that have the charm of RE and true succesor of Clock Tower
I think the issue with these types of conversations generally is that "saving" a series is a pretty ambiguous claim to begin with ha. Resident evil 4 certainly changed the series radically in terms of gameplay and combat (certainly for the better in my opinion) but in that sense you can also say that it killed the series as it once was from the fixed camera angle design. Commercially there is no denying it had explosive sales and probably moved the series higher up in terms of priority for Capcom. What Resi4 managed to do was bring in this massive patchwork of audience demographics all playing the game and enjoying it for slightly different reasons. For example I play resi4 as an action beat em' up style game, and so I don't really play the earlier resi games as I'm not into survival horror. But resi 4 does have survival horror elements as well, so those fans also enjoy the game. I think a more accurate claim is that Resi4 made the series more commercially viable, as the sales data reflects that clearly. But I agree that it's not like if Resi4 flopped that capcom would abandon the franchise entirely, it probably would have just been less frequent releases like we see with DMC.
Nice to see you here, man. I know we disagree hard on RE4 remake and that's totally fine, we're adults. This video, yeah, it's just about the narrative that the change to action horror was NECESSARY. Not if it was bad or not. I love RE4, I'm fine with the action direction. It's always just bugged me everytime I hear about how "RE had to change, just look at the REmake sales."