The LAST USS Enterprise? - Enterprise-J - Star Trek Starship Breakdown
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We’ve spoken about many Enterprises here on the Trek Central channel. Anyone would think we’re a Star Trek channel or something. In our recent video, we spoke about the fate of every known USS Enterprise, or rather, Enterprise in Star Trek. However, as you rightly pointed out, we did miss the USS Enterprise-J!
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Chapters:
00:00 - The USS Enterprise-J
02:44 - Technical Information
04:40 - The Battles of the USS Enterprise-J
08:42 - Behind The Scenes!
Video Credits:
Written by Jack Trestrail
Presented by Adam Watson
Edited by Jack Richardson
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Title: The LAST USS Enterprise? - Enterprise-J - Star Trek Starship Breakdown
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I really liked Roddenberry Archive's hypothetical render of the Enterprise J where the saucer section was actually just a contained city, making the entire starship more like a spacestation with engines. It makes it feel like it was built for those super long distance missions where it could effectively take a piece of the Federation with it instead of just serving as a representative, which seems fitting for a flagship explorer.
like post on the Roddenberry archives link mentioned , like those city ships from Macross
I personally like the universe class ships and I would love to see it more in shows and movies
When he said Sing it if you know it... I totally didn't burst into "It's been a long road..."
...and now that song is stuck in my head 😅
My head canon says she is an extra-galactic colony ship. She was the Federation's last mega-project before it's slow decline and eventual dissolution after the Burn. The ship is huge, and the only reason I can think of to make something that big is if it is meant to support very long range and extended missions. Multi-generational missions. In the 31st Century, I think the Enterprise-J is still sailing through the intergalactic void. When we see her in the battle, it's because there was really no choice in the matter.
Someone at Starfleet r&d said "what if we build a space station and slap some warp nacelles on it" The universe class
Honestly, the main reason I watch this channel, other than the ship dives, is Lieutenant-Commander Adam.
Yes!
For some odd reason, I always really liked the design of this "thing". tt also seems to fit quite nicely into the timeline of DIS (especially given the revelation that Daniels is in fact you know who (and if you don't, I wont spoil it to you)). I loved the Roddenberry archive's info on the Universe class and I even find myself hoping for a future show or short Trek or long Trek set on Enterprise-J. So for me, it'S thumbs up all the way.
The J is an interesting design and thankfully more visual work was done on it for the Roddenberry Archive, making it look even more glorious.
It's fugly!
Why was the dauntless class cannonized as a starfleet vessel? It was literally only seen once and it was a disguised completely alien ship. Did starfleet just steal the design from Voyager's sensor logs and say, "We like this. We're gonna keep it." 😂
Yup, pretty much. 😂
I actually always liked the J. It feels genuinely futuristic and built around a blend of alien technologies. Also an interesting approach to scaling up the classic Starfleet ship layout to something on the scale of a warbird or Jem hadar battleship.
it would not be a far stretch. by that time frame, the Federation and the Romulan Republic ( I believe that's cannon?) would finally have been on good terms after long centuries of diplomacy that they could have come to an agreement to help design a new type of ship thats able to go across the Galaxy. though perhaps a more primitive type of warp that now prevalent in the 32nd century (Discovery time frame)
I love the universe class it makes perfect sense for its time in history. It might look strange in places but thats because they could do that kind of thing clearly. It looks like what its for and thats exploring the universe
I have a hypothetical reason why it can be thin looking and just a fun theory about the ship every crew room is like a Tardis from Doctor Who. Not sure how it fully work it but it could work and to kinda make sense as it’s in the future.
I agree, just like the time ship from Jonathan Archers time where the inside was bigger than the outside.. You would figure that time travel was mastery of moving to higher dimensions where time and space have different laws of physics to be used..
Yeah, an unescorted tour of the "J" would be quite interesting!
I've heard speculation that it's a Generational ship to traverse galaxies, like in SGU.
I would say it has a bowling alley, food court, and at least one fax machine...and phasers, yeah, it'll have phasers...
Better make it 3 fax machines, as long as the print server can handle it.
I wonder how fast the turbolifts go?
There is a throw-away line in season 4 of discovery where they mention some sensor data coming from the “Enterprise” regarding the DMA threat. The viewer was left to believe that it is one of the future “constitution” class ships.
Do you remember which episode it was?
@@GuardianSage it’s in the opening of the episode where the DMA “jumps” from one location to another while a starfleet and Nivar vessel watch on
I miss that era of set design so much. That chunkiness man, nothing like it in modern trek shows.
I image the next Enterprise is...
Enterprise H is an Orville/Enterprise D design
Enterprise I is a Buck Roger's in the 25th century ship with warp nercelles
Then Enterprise J, with all its concept sketches to flesh out the century Starfleet ships. Along with Halo ships as a rival military
The 26th century, the Enterprise O would be a Starfleet/Mass Effect hybrid
The 29th century Enterprise T, would be like an Enterprise looking timeship
In the 31st century, for fun, make the Enterprise W would be a Futurama/Starfleet ship design
The Enterprise Z should be a cross between USS Discovery A and The Starship Andromeda Ascended
Note: Andromeda TV show takes place 1000 years after the 32nd century
Just one generation after the Enterprise-D StarFleet had warp 13.
(Admiral Riker's refit. )
I initially hated the design when I first saw it in Enterprise. It's grown on me over the years and it has become one of my favorite Enterprises. It looks like a ship that would be exploring other galaxies. I hope we get to see it in a show or movie.
The battle of "Onion Five" I remember it well.
Many tears were shed that day.
Here's how I like to see it. Star Trek's tiem travel is unexplainable, they've basically done nearly every type possible. Spliting timelines like the Kelvin Timeline, temporal paradoxes like the First Contact movie. Timelines completley rewritten or were about to be rewritten such as the ENterprise-C and ALl Good Things as that future had the Enterprise-D survive, where as Generations saw it half destroyed. So here's my headcanon on the J. I like to see there as being 2 timelines, the Prime Timeline ending at the end of Nemesis and spliting in 2. The Picard Timeline where Data did stay "dead" for some time till the Picard series, this leads to the future where the Burn event happened as that is the 32nd Century. Daniels and Procyon 5 occured in the 31st and the 26th Centuries respectively. A timeline that continues from the timeline of Star Trek Online, where the Khitomer Alliance in time led to greater galactic cooperation and eventually the Federation becomes a galaxy spanning power with most of the ALpha and Beta Quadrants and maybe the other 2 as part of it. I liek to think the Universe Class was created in a time where even Transwarp was outdated, likely allowing exploration of at least a couple galaxies, thus like how the Galaxy class was built as Starfleet's premier glactic exploration ship, or at least intended to be. THe Universe Class as it's name suggests is capable of at least a couple galaxies, thus the most capable for exploring the universe. These ships are huge, powerful, and basically a mobile Starbase, self sustaining and if the STO ship ability to launch Cestus Class Frigates is true, then also able to launch or maybe even produce a small fleet of ships to support it. My guess is the ENterprise-J was the only Universe Class they could spare for Procyon 5, with the STO mision Ragnarok being how it offially played out in the end, but due tot he wierd nature of time travel and the Sphere Builders and their allies, it's a battle they're constantly attempting to change. The expanse seen in the battle isn't the Delphic Expanse, but one they were trying to make near Andoria in the Procyon System. The Temporal Cold War saw allies pulled from many timelines, maybe the Burn future participated to some degree in the Cold War befoe the Burn occured. At least they pulled in allies in Temporal Agents recruited from STO, thus the TNG era ships seen in the background. Maybe Daniels likely lied to Archer about protecting the timeline, hard to make sense of the quantum mechanics behind Star Trek's time travel. But very likely the Temporal Cold War wasn't about preserving the future, but about preventing reckless groups from just using it to thier own whim, such as he Krenim restoring their empire, or the Nak'hul their star, or the Sphere Builders whatever they were looking to do. Cause then there'd be no end to the abuse of time travel.
Still plenty of letters left in the alphabet. The question is will there be any Enterprises after Z or will Starfleet decide to retire the name.
"USS ENTERPRISE
NCC-1701-AA"
@@dylanseroo Hehehe, you know they would do that.
@@dylanseroo So the 64th (I think) NCC-1701 would be the Enterprise KKK and the 77th would be the Enterprise XXX?
@@G74 with Captain Ron Jeremy in command.
I don't like or hate the Enterprise J. I must however disagree on one thing. If what most scientists say is true, it is impossible to change/erase future. You can however create paralel realities (alt dimensions, other timelines etc.) when you attempt to change something. Therefore in my opinion there still exists a reality where Enterprise J exists. (I know that technicaly Daniels showed Archer how everything is being reversed , but come on. You can't just erase a reality. If that was possible then why no one tried that with the mirror universe. That would've solved plenty of problems.)
Probably ablative armor highly regenerative shields with possible auto distribution advanced quantums maybe some borg inspired Auto repair system potentially just assuming but probably not far off
Yes, Lt Commander Adam. I could listen to you describe how a brick floats in the air or how to fly by throwing yourself at the ground and miss 😊 live long and prosper
See this is why i feel like this was a perfect era for Discovery to jump to. The reason why we see so many old classes during the battle was because things were so desperate that starfleet was literally using whatever ships they could find.
And we don't really know what state the federation was in during the time, either. The sphere builders couldn't totally wrecked the quadrant and Discovery could've found a broken, fragmented starfleet just struggling to survive.
Would've been a lot more believable than the entire galaxy suddenly running short of dilithium, then having what was left suddenly blow up.
*I have a Universe Class Starship on Star Trek Online!!* 😂😂
lucky!!
Me too
The turn rate is terrible without a decent console to compensate
@@Captain.AmericaV1 Mine has a space set and a console to help. She turns like an science ship now.
Which is the second fastest to the escort ships.
@@shauntempley9757 where u get them, mission or crafted?
An Enterprise was mentioned in Season 4 i think, but nothing more than that - so there was an enterprise in the 32nd Century just was never shown on screen. (mentioned in the background)
Love the little Red dwarf reference
I think part of the reason we've already seen up to Enterprise-G at the beginning of the 25th century is to give time for H and I so we can have a J in the 26th century.
I always thought it was a city ship, used to circumnavigate the galaxy thanks to the discoveries and first contacts that Voyager made. The Enterprise J was used to go and make second contact with these species and bring them into the UFoP. Big enough to have its own Dilithium refinery onboard, it could power itself for as long as it needed to. Defense wise, maybe it had a few Defiant Class ships as defensive equipment along with regular phasers, torpedoes and quantum torpedoes. Also with the help of Future Janeway and the hull armor and what not. The ship really could've been something. I never hated it, it just needed more context to it.
The Congo variant of that ship design is🔥 tho.
The Enterprise J was a ship that really left me scratching my head. Its overall design was weird, and unique, but odd. Like you said Lieutenant (apologies if I misspelled or mispronounced that) Commander Adam, the only thing we know about this ship is its size and commander. Everything else: Build date, launching/commissioning, facilities, crew number, years of service, warp speed. Etc. All of it is unknown.
I mean we have more information on the supposed fate of Enterprise E for crying out loud!!!
The way I see it the only reason the ship even "exists" it's because it's called Enterprise.
the way the saucer was designed they could have gave it spore drive cause the saucer looks like it floats in the fame like discovery's did
Daniel Jackson would win any confrontation between him and Daniels.
I have always had a question about the era the J belongs to. The Battle of Procyon 5 has ships from multiple eras in it. Has it been only assumed that the J is contemporary to the era of the battle? Couldn't is have been transported to the battle from its true time period? Also, can we trust everything that Daniels says to Archer about the situation?
I think that I heard Enterprise J was designed when they were still thinking of Enterprise the series was going to be set in a post 24th century time period, but it was scraped because they decided to follow Lucus' example and do a prequel show.
The "Small Rouge One"
I do no't suppose you ever found whatever planetoid you parked it around have you. I mean, they are small blue green and planet-oidy....
I have to admit I really like the design of the J class enterprise and after all, it is a futuristic ship with technology that is beyond our understanding.
Honestly, the nicest thing we could have from Star Trek would be their medical technology .
With programable matter the ship in theory could change shape as needed.. That flat saucer could be reshaped into a giant sphere if they wanted to and as someone suggested it could be larger on the inside by way of 5th dimensional unfolding..
Merging the Daedelus / Pasteur class primary hull idea with a Tardis. Genius. 😅
I think it has the Infinite Improbability Drive myself.
You missed the HMS Enterprize.
I'm kidding. Please do one on the IMS Enterprises, besides the obvious fates , I'm sure their evil building and warp drives with a beard would be interesting to hear about in show and in other media.
Powered by Beardithium Crystals. 😅
I always thought the decks must swap to horizontal for the saucer section because of how flat it is. Otherwise the windows would all be on the ceiling and floor
With an artificial gravity system there should be no reason why you couldn't do it even in ST-ENT's time, just one of many neat tricks you could do with such a system.
of course there is! disco season 4 shows the enterprise researching the DMA saru notes that "Enterprise noted heated plasma"
Could you point us to that episode and time stamp? :)
@@TrekCentral Stormy Weather 3:30 however, before you say something it is not totally clear that he isn't referring to a past iteration.
Quiet down video guy and just give us all that J goodness! 😂🎉
I'm terribly sorry, I forgot my meds. 😅
@@xedanis101 I can't get E in a waffle iron out of my head now. :)
From ST Prodigy we know two propulsion technologies adopted by UFP. Slipstream, with Dauntless class known to be able to achieve at least warp 9.97 and protowarp on USS Protostar achieving something like warp 9.999999 for a short period of time. With protowarp Galaxy class could travel to Andromeda galaxy within couple of months.
The Altair class Enterprise looks like two seperate hulls. Ala 32nd c tech. But concieved 20 years ago 😊
I'm down for a Daniel on Daniels rap battle.
I maybe in the minority, but I think the J is a very pretty design.
Someone delivered an enterprise M. Remember the J Is before the burn.
Gosh, such disdain for starship 😅. I love it.
When is big really too big for a starship?
It has a Q drive. We have conquered the Q and now we just snap a finger and poof we are where we want to go🤦
The bridge design for this ship is not nearly lavish/fancy enough. And it doesn't even have chairs.
THERE IS Enterpise in 32nd century and it is possibly a Future Constitution Class one.
I seriously doubt Daniel Jackson's rap skills, so i think a rap battle of Daniels might be underwhelming 🙂
I like it 😊👍
The Enterprise Z, Cosmos Class
Would actually travel to other galaxies
The Z would have elements from the Andromeda Ascended
YUP...I also like the J , it's GROWN on me😉prosperity ✨ 🙏 and long life🖖🏼!
great, a 12 min video about a corridor and a window........ wow..
Could be worse. How about a 12 min video on the background of a certain theme song no one wants to talk about comes to mind. But somehow they would make it into a 20 min video.
Make the rap battle happen.
Schrodinger's starship, then?
If that means it makes a Meaow noise whenever it fires weapons, I'm good with it 😺
What would a propulsion faster that Trans Warp be able to do?
Point to point dimensional beaming of the entire ship, where going to a higher dimension would in effect fold space..
You need a shuttle craft to use Discovery's turbo lift structure. 😒 Sometimes this time travel gig ends up being more story filler than sense. 🙃 The J is pretty much a community ship much like a Macross concept I suppose. 🤔 As for folding space. Seems a two mile ship is redundant to explore if you have the ability to "poof" from one place to another. 😄
This "BURN", was it universe wide?
Portal weapons would be in its arsenal
The Enterprise was so flat because it was totally crewed by AI and no lifeforms were on board. That is my guess, if it was truly that advanced, it was drone.
Pretty sure this is going to get retconned. It kind of has to be if you think about it.
Great video Adam. Loved your humor thrown in there about the J and the design of it.
The J has slowly grown on me over the years to where I really do like it a lot now. It definitely is the most unique Starfleet ship to date.
I think with it being a Universe class and it would obviously explore other galaxies...that means it probably had either a Quantum Slipstream Drive or something even faster. I mean after all traveling between galaxies required something faster than your usual transwarp drive or warp drive.
Who knows about its weapons. I'm sure it had the typical weapons of that time period. Whatever those were...dunno. I'd like to think they would have primary and secondary shields like the Scimitar did. Maybe by that time the Krenim and Starfleet were allies and probably had chroniton torpedoes. Or if they weren't allies with the Krenim, Starfleet could have easily made their own by the 29th Century.
A rap battle between Daniel Jackson and Agent Daniels...LOL that would honestly be hilarious to watch most likely.
Umm....series finale for Discovery the Enterprise is mentioned by a certain character. Won't say who in case anyone here hasn't seen it. I WISHED we could have seen a 32nd Century Enterprise. Would it have been the Enterprise-J? I dunno a Federation ship in service for 30 years is I guess a stretch. Never mind that the original Enterprise was 20 years old when she was destroyed.
I as well would love to see a video of Doug Drexler teaming up with you guys for a video. I posted on Doug's Facebook page and linked him to this video so he could see it.
I loved this entire reply. Thanks for chipping in! ❤
I'm with you on the intergalactic exploration idea. It would be perfectly suited to that, considering it's size.
Lifespan however... while you're right on screen, the TNG manual gives the Galaxy class a 100-year expected lifetime (including 4 major refit / upgrades.) Drama doesn't always make that possible I guess! 😂
Breen warship!!!! That is down right scary and destroy your favorite ship the Defiant .. so time to face your fear talk about the one that broke your heart!!
Ahh , the flying Pancake .
The unfortunate reality of this ship is it conflicts with discovery's 34 century
Ill bet phasers and torpedos are obsolete. Rhey probably have weapons we cant thinkmof and conventional drive systems are also obsolete.
Why is "last" even a question in the title... They have an "M" timeship Enterprise...
If anywhere in time and the infinite number of dimensional realities exist and they can move between any or all of them then anything is possible.. Archer timeline, Kelvin timeline, Dark Trek timeline, Mirror timeline and on and on so yep anything from never an Enterprise to Enterprise 9999999999999999999999Z and beyond..
Source? Where is the Enterprise-M from?
It's past time to retire the 1701 registry.
For starters, it's silly to have an Enterprise J, or O, or even W. Would Starfleet REALLY go through the alphabet?
Secondly, Starfleeet really needs to get its collective act together. After the G debacle I'm starting to believe that Enterprise needs to not be the flagship anymore and that the 1701 registry shpould be retired. Six versions are enough.
Navies change flagships all the time, and registry numbers change. It's time Starfleet evolve.
Yeah the flatness is the only problem, otherwise the ship looks great
i'd expect a 30th+ century starfleet 2 b saucer only .. sans nacelles. Area-51 still exists .. advanced alie tech is reverse-engineered & voila!
Your size comparison is way off.
it makes no sense to a 21st century human brain yes.
Someone on this channel is certainly not a fan of the Enterprise-J.
😮 who?! I'll have them booted out the airlock immediately. 😂
@@xedanis101 Τhe narrator of the video seemed very unpleasantly forced and he did called it a thing.
@user-vm8qc3vz2w as the narrator of this video, I can assure you nothing was unpleasantly forced. :)
@@xedanis101 Not conviced, especially when you called the ship a thing in such a downgrating manner. Good job otherwise.
Wow the fact that I posted here before multiple times and you actually have to sign off on a warning acknowledgment before posting here that is beyond silly the overly sensitive nature people today is really bordering on ridiculous and marginally insane we're all here to talk about highly fictional Starships and the insanely thick plot armor that Riders have given them
History forgot the name Enterprise 😢😢
gone but not forgotten...
In discovery season 3 or 4 there was a starship enterprise mentioned
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not impressed with the Enterprise J Ihave to redesign it eeeesh
Did the Enterprise J exist, well denials exists and he resides in 3180’s as Doctor Kovich so really who knows, who knows?
Alternate timeliness that rubbish is in. Its not in the Prime Universe so as far as I am concerned its still unknown if it looks like that or not.
It's getting so far in the future that English won't be the primary language any more and the name "Enterprise" will be Alien to them.
Since a universal translation matrix would adapt to each life forms needs to be seamless the AI it has could dumb down any future speak to any time period and each life form would get their own optimal translation including time and slangs.. Would it also compensate for the facial movements of the speech in a holographic mask like current deep fakes do??
It couldn't alter the now cryptic writing on the hull of the ship. USS Gobbldygook.
Enterprise J ranked as my number one worst looking Enterprise
Anything past Enterprise tv show is no canon to me.
It's pancake finally.
I think this design looks Goofy
I have only one comment about the J 🤮
The J is such a hideous design. They obviously peaked with their Enterprise E and Prometheus looking ship designs left no where but bad taste to go
The idea of the J is cool, but it’s design is ugly, and it is ridiculously flat.
As a Star Trek Nerd since 1990 say... I hate the Enterprise J. Then again my heart screams D. What a ship.
Hated it, honestly. *lol*
Enterprise j is from flat earth. Lol.
As horrifically awful as this was it's not as bad as those future trek ships that have parts that have no connections but have like magnetic blah blah blah HORRIFICALLY
I've always hated this design. It's dumb and stupid and dumb. I hope if they flesh that era out that it will be unhappened.
Windows on the ceiling and floor. And look how overbright they are. You'd lose your eyesight in seconds.
Got to be one of the ugliest ships they ever designed for Star trek. However Discovery does hold the record for the absolute worst design that giant pizza cutter in space . The J just has no finesse like the D or the e or the f. But still nothing can compare did the design of the Constitution refit Enterprise a