Has your view of Israel changed since October 7th? | LBC debate
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2024
- Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused the US of having "abandoned" its previous policy.
The UN Security Council's first resolution demanding an immediate ceasefire came after calls for urgent action to avert a famine in Gaza.
Since the start of the conflict, the US has used its veto power to block three Security Council resolutions calling for pauses in the fighting or a ceasefire.
Matthew Wright asks callers if their views on Israel have shifted since October 7th. He hears from Elliot and Woody.
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Calling this a war is like calling an adult beating a child a fight
Spot on 👏👏👏
So true 👍
Couldn’t say it any better 👏
Well on Oct 7th the child threw a tantrum using a chainsaw.
@@reneestevez7193no his brother did. You still wouldn't call beating that child a fight, right ?
Last week Israel moved annex 10 square miles of the West Bank. This has been going on for decades.
Um, thousands of years ago, the deity YHWH gave ALL of what we call the middle east to the Jewish People. Revelation says Israel will have all the land and reubild the Third Temple. All Christians must support Israel rebuilding the Temple for the Messiah to Return to Earth and Destroy the whole planet.
How much is left & what price is Netanyahu selling 1km lots ?
They are annexing the borderlands of Gaza. Most of it agricultural! Then there is the highway right through the middle. Finally the 'port' ...
@@SeaJay_Oceans 1km= 1,200 Jewish lives = 100,000 injured and murdered Palestinians = 2 million forced Palestinians
I think it’s absolutely a breech of Palestine fundamental rights to self determination . The Isreal ideology of Zionism is out of date when you steal another’s land rights and then occupy their land . We the British have so much to answer for . The Balfour declaration was founded by one man’s belief that European Jews would be a problem for our country this was the immigration plan of Balfour. I believe the people of Palestine you have reparation form UK & Isreal .
Palestenian suffering has never been acknowledged.
Say this louder!
It's the choice the Palestinians have chosen, when they want peace they'll have peace. If they keep thinking one day the Israelites will disappear and they'll own the entire land from the river to the sea then this is just a cycle that'll be continuously repeated.
@@Markadown Why, you deaf ?
@@Deeoflife-ot2vz you need to educate your self , you should see how Palestenian are treated in Israel what else would you do then resist you got no choice.
@@vlaythsh7880 , they've been offered a state 4 times since 1948 but they always choose war. How else do you think this would end? It's you who needs educating actually
This didn't be start on 7th October - it's been one sided for over 7 decades
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To the civilised western leaders, big bang had happened on Oct 6 so did the world history.. Nothing was happening before Oct 7. So what ever they say, they only know that the world history had began on Oct 7.
Exactly
It began in 1921 when the Palestinians massacred jews during the riots, continued in 1929 on the grand massacre and then in 1936.
You should learn some history
@@danielquartler1527it actually began in 1917 with the Balfour Declaration when Britain decided to give the Palestinian land under Ottoman rule to the Jewish people following the Sykes-Picot Agreement.
Squatters playing victim.
Maybe marauders is a better description.
@@har3036 true
Squatters and marauders playing victim! @@har3036
@@har3036 is that what they call a squatter with nukes?
squatters from civilization of terrorists claiming to own land belong to a 4000 yeard old civilization
Isreal no right to defend in a occupied Palestinians lands.
Agreed. Also a genocidal state should not be permitted to exist.
@@Khalkara🎯🎯👍🏻
Under international law, an occupying power cannot claim self defence.
@@Mrhasbarafree unfortunately international and customary law was not incorporated into the constitution of the ill-conceived articles of the "promised Land".
Which 'Lands' would that be, Simon? They left Gaza in 2005.
"When everyone can see the problem it’s too late."
~ Prince Machiavelli
Completely agree but I thought (could be wrong) it's "The Prince" by Niccolo Machiavelli
@@leowilkin5587you’re actually right
hamas are the bigger problem
@leowilkin5587 heard of 'abbrv.'?
Hamas is definitely the problem
This is a one sided massacre... Not a war of Equal armies.
Never had a descent view of Israel now I never will .
Hamas should have thought about that before starting a war shouldn’t they.
@@janbrown9195freedom-fighters have a right to respond to Israel's treatment of Palestinians.
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
It's a bit like October 7th hey.
How can anyone call this a war?
If you've been paid off
What do you call it, George?
@@jacobcohen9205 i call it a war.
Remember when the jews lost in holocaust war against nazis.. they cried hard and made movies about it.
Most of these callers are oblivious to what's been happening before the 7th October.
which is a testament to media's complicity in this ignorance because they fail to inform the public and act as Israeli shills.
The state of israel shouldn't be in the Levant. It should be in East Germany or West poland. Not Palestine. No more imperalism.
Israel are using a book of fairytales to justify why they must be in Palestine.
Give them Barvaria?
Epstein Island
Thankfully, the whole world's view of Israel has changed since October 7th. Long overdue.
It certainly has, now we see what Israel has had to put up with, murdering hamas terrorism, who have stolen 10s of millions that should have gone to the Palestinians families...
Yes, the world now can see the arrogant, spoiled brats.
@@jeddward9464 10s of millions that should have gone back to the USA tax payer more like. What advantage has USA had from that loyal friendship?
@@jeddward9464 How ungrateful can you be Hamas, after all, Israel did fund and support you rise to power in Gaza.
@@jeddward9464read a history book. BALFOUR DECLARATION 1917. NAKABA 1948. This didn't start on October 7th
The kid at school bullied for years who one day snaps and retaliates against his oppressor. Is he then a bully?
Counter terrorism is not terrorism.
Prior to October 7th, in 2023 there was the highest level of settler violence on the West bank in years. Over 200 Palestinians killed. And again the IDF bombed Gaza in 2023 prior to October 7th. It just doesn t get widespread report. You have to go digging to get that information.
Its hard finding anything about previous isrl violence. Getting deleted.
Yap yap yap more propaganda
Yet not one Thai person was held hostage by the IDF. You simply can’t ignore or say the same for Palestinians who currently are holding hostages from Thailand post October 7. It’s obvious the pro Palestinian left don’t value certain lives, Jewish ones and especially Asian ones. This is a dangerous situation given Chinas ambitions in Asia to eradicate democracy in places like Taiwan.
@@janbrown9195 no, its isreal's job to through more propaganda
You don’t have to dig - just read x
*Saying Hamas is a terror group just shows how out of touch people are and how dehumanized the Palestinians have become.*
You think that if you asked a person who has known nothing more than the open air prison that is Gaza, they would say the people who are fighting for their freedom are terrorist? It's funny how people who have never been oppressed are the first ones to throw around words like terrorist and also want to tell the oppressed how they should behave or resist that oppression. For those living cushy lives why calling Hamas terrorists answer this, what would you have the Palestinians and Hamas do to end Israel's thumb on Gaza and the West Bank?
pretty sure the not-see's also called the french resistance a terrorist organization
Kindly explain what you mean by Israel's thumb on Gaza? Because last I remember Gaza was handed over to Palestinians who voted in Hamas...who has a charter to ELIMINATE Israel. So kindly explain this thumb" you are talking about on Gaza first
@@ndadikpa - Hamas charter calls for the elimination of Zionism in Israel- not Israel itself. As for handing Gaza over to the Palestinians, Gaza has been described as an open air concentration camp. Do tell. How does that equate to freedom? Furthermore, the majority of Palestinians killed didn't vote in Hamas. Over half of those dead are children who werent even born when Hamas were elected. Educate yourself.
@@ndadikpa Ah!!! the Charter.
Let me go a step at a time. By thumb I mean Israel controls the air, the sea and the land. Why do you think humanitarian aid currently can't get into Gaza if Palestinians controlled it?
The Charter? In case you don't know this since you are clearly repeating that thing you heard that one time, the charter was amended to remove any ambiguity in the language. Hamas always meant that they needed a Palestinian state. But let me ask you this... Israel has killed 30000 Palestinians and are basically ethnically cleansing them, you think because they didn't include (In all CAPS) ELIMINATE the Palestinians in the Likud charter then their actions to try actually eliminate them don't really count because they are not in a charter?
Make that make sense,
@jidf32
So Hamas has changed their charter you say but they were shooting rockets into Israel and you want israel to open the air and sea for importation of weapons from Iran right...that's suicide to israel. And you are comfortable with Hamas running Gaza with no elections and if any palestinian speaks contrary to their view point they get murderd.
No one says israel is in the right, neither can one say how to properly settle this situation but to sit down and justify Hamas as an organisation is beyond me.
30k deaths is terrible. However Hamas started this war, and israel has to disarm Hamas and those tunnels. The innocent on both sides are suffering but if Hamas survives they have promised to repeat this again so when do you want this cycle to stop
My opinion of Israel has definitely changed in the last few months d/t a lack of understanding what Israel was actually doing. I also didn't fully understand how Israel was created. Not to mention the fact that the over the top killing of innocent Palestinians. I have also noticed the level of propaganda that comes out of Israel. Just all around have noticed my ignorance of what has been going on
You should be really proud of yourself for taking an interest and having curiosity. Most of us didn't know before, but when we find out, we know it is wrong because we've always had basic morals.
If you believe the propaganda from a terrorist organisation like Hamas there something very wrong with your moral compass or lack of imo
stop witht he 7th october. this has been going on for 75 years at the expense of Palestinian lives.
No, my attitude to Israel hasn't changed. They've been committing war crimes for decades.
The media right across the board has been cheering Israel on though
But its getting harder for them. I mean its half a year now, self defence ? Then all the tiktok vids they make. Horrifying. All actions lead to only one conclusion. Erase.
100% right mate 🙏
Oh no they haven’t, all we ever hear about is the victimhood of Palestinians
@@janbrown9195 only victim is Israel self inflicted 🤔
Palistine love to play the victim
I am astounded that it has taken this abhorrent genocidal massacre for people to realise the reality of what's been happening in Palestine since 1948.
If this awful onslaught has somehow horrified you then think of the massacres of Deir Yassin, Tantura, Sabra and Shatila and so many others.
People have changed their mind because finally every one can see the true horror and suffocating occupation that Palestinians have been forced to endure for decades
Do not speak for everyone speak for yourself only I do NOT agree with you and never will , this is simply propaganda against Israel
Hannibal Directive. Enough said.
Mow the lawn; From the River to the sea; it's all projection
The blame sits squarely with vehicle drivers Your addiction to driving fuels this pun intentional
History didn't start on October the 7th. In 2018 Palestinians went on the great march of return and the majority of the march was extremely peaceful. Israeli snipers took this opportunity to shoot physically disabled people and children. They have been in a concentration camp for decades and brutalised by Israel. I blame Palestinians for hating Israelis as much as I blame a Jewish person in the 40s hating the Nazis. How dare people who have lived a peaceful life in first world countries tell a people who grew up in a concentration camp how to resist. The Palestinian people have tried to gain liberation via peaceful means but it has ended in dead civilians for them. Before anyone says it no Palestinians didn't have to accept extremely unfavourable ''peace deals''. The same way native Americans didn't have to accept ''peace deals'' proposed by the genocidal settler colonial state they were resisting. When you treat people as sub human since the day they were born except them to treat you the same.
Fully agree!
Totally agree 👍
Bravo 👏 👏
BS
HERE HERE!
War crimes one day they will be held accountable
To be fair the country has done warcrimes for longer than most people have been alive
Like Britain.
The Colonialists last stand!!
Yes however its way way to late now for the world to realise what was going on in the 1st place 😢😢😢
Unfortunately I think there is as much chance of the Netanyahu administration facing trial as there is of Harry Truman standing trial today for the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings.
The caller mentions Dresden but not the Geneva convention wich now prohibits carpet bombing of civilians.
The Israeli Supreme Court has ruled that the Fourth Geneva Contention is not applicable by Israeli courts because it is "contractual" international law which would require specific Israeli legislation before the courts take cognizance of it.
Israel does not accept that the Geneva Convention applies to Gaza nor the West Bank, particularly Article 49:
Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention states: “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.” It also prohibits the “individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory”.
THE QUESTION OF THE OBSERVANCE
OF THE FOURTH GENEVA CONVENTION OF 1949
IN GAZA AND THE WEST BANK
INCLUDING JERUSALEM
OCCUPIED BY ISRAEL
IN JUNE 1967
Prepared for, and under the guidance of
the Committee on the Exercise of
the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People
UNITED NATIONS
New York, 1979
Dresden may have been beautiful , but was also major port on the Elbe, and had many chemical companies.
@@FontaineDerby it was a Brit using the argument of Dresden, not a genocidal Israeli
Always surprised me how so few people protested about the Sri Lankan military destroying the Tamil resistance in 2009.
Hon, my view of not just Israel, but of its backers and their pathological behavior too changed. And by changed I mean it became exponentially more negative. The whole past five months were so revealing. Watching all those superpowers ganging up on a largely defenseless and caged indigenous population while arming their oppressors and providing them with diplomatic cover was what did it for me. Such a watershed moment in recent political history and its aftermath will reverberate for decades to come.
Spot on
Yes! Here
I must say that I am in total agreement with what you say.
This is a UNSC resolution at those Come with enforcement-remember Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia etc etc etc....
Any Arab Nations now can legitimately get involved in defense of Palestinians if Likudis refuse to ceasefire indefinitely...
100%. I have changed political parties (I'm in the UK) as a direct result of what I have seen from our complicit politicians
I was looking at a Palestinian child on TV and I was thinking he will be angry and hate Israel for the rest of his life.
I think this sorry episode in history marks the end of the US’s dominance on global geopolitics.
The US has completely lost any moral authority or respect across the globe.
This is not a war
It's one sided slaughter
The dialogue is still disingenuous. Commentators and radio hosts need to stop pretending this all started with October 7th and there hasn't been an appalling record of human rights violations before then.
Well said, I'm so sick of all the MSM, they were so biased. When they said the little girl, Hind, who was phoning for help in a car with her murdered relatives was found dead, ( not murdered ) I gave up and thought what a disgrace these people are to their profession.
I don’t think they were here but it’s taken this for the masses to change their opinion. Before that most people didn’t even think about Israel.
Why do you think this has been happening for 70+ years? Cause all mainstream media are complicit in burying and using IOF propoganda to keep a lid on this apartheid $$$$$$$$$$.
I’m sick of hearing these moderate middle ground voices on this issue. Palestinians are being obliterated, the Israeli state has seized its chance and is now implementing a longstanding goal
Didn't began on October 7th, funny how people are so ignorant on this.
You are right the Palestinians have chosen war since 1929 when they committed massacres against Jews. And in 1936 when they rejected the peel commission to get 80% of the land to build a state. And in 1948 which they rejected the two state solution.
@@user-xr1th3jn3n On June 30, 1924, Zionist terrorists The Haganah officially imported terrorism into Mandatory Palestine. Fighting colonisation is resistance. Pre-1948 many Palestinians accepted non-terrorist Jews into there homes to shield them from persecution by the British.
Not such a great idea, in hindsight.
@@user-xr1th3jn3n and how Ashkenazis reached a middle eastern land?
Sounds like colonialism
The World will never look at Israel in the same way ever again.
Do your research and learn about how Palestinians have caused trouble and war everywhere they go, ever wonder why the other Arabic countries haven’t opened their borders for them? Research and you’ll see why but you lot just don’t want to do any research and blindly follow the mainstream media 🤦🏻♀️
Matthew is spot on with the IRA comparison. Every time there is a struggle for peace that involves apartheid, occupation, etc. there ends up being violent resistance that gets the terrorist label (and yes those acts are often times reprehensible) but the west, especially the UK and the USA need to stop pretending like they will fix 5e problem by dictating who can and who can’t be part of any future Palestinian government. The IRA became part of Irish parliament, the ANC became a part of the South African government, etc.
This is a UNSC resolution and those Come with enforcement-remember Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia etc etc etc....
Any Arab Nations now can legitimately get involved in defense of Palestinians if Likudis refuse to ceasefire indefinitely...
@pk3778 but they won't... they're all bought and fully owned
Yes!
Exactly, Greetings from Ireland!
The only problem with the comparison is that the IRA's mission had nothing to do with religion. Why do you think there was an occupation in the first place?
You can't fully acknowledge the atrocities of October 7th without first acknowledging the atrocities committed by Israel prior to October 7th. You must also advocate for freedom of hostages on both sides. Both the hostages held by Hamas but also the hostages held by Israel.
Palestine doesn't have an army, navy or airforce. Who is supposed to protect them from being forced out of their own country? Who was it who designated Hamas a terrorist organisation? Ask these questions to get an idea of the context here
It's like things started on 7 October. Perhaps a visit to the West Bank would help... People like Ben-Gvir, Smotrich and Netanyahu have always been around along with their nastiness and state-sponsored segregation in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza. That is not to say when one is critical of Israel one is somehow condoning Hamas' conduct.
A big factor is demographic changes. Religious Jews simply have a lot more children. And they are becoming an ever larger biting block.
The caller is clueless, just repeating media talking points. Doesn’t think to ask why Palestinians are defending themselves in the first place.
Let's discuss before October 7 and after October 7 we hear enough of propaganda October 7 October 7
For those who support the state of Israel being created on stolen land in Palestine because there was the Holocaust, my question is now that Israel has committed the same sin, can the Palestinians now say they have a right to all of the land?
For those who bring up
WWII era mass killings like Dresden to justify what’s happening in Gaza are appalling. The whole purpose of the Geneva convention was so civilians will be protected in times of war. So much for civility. Hypocrisy is suffocating
It is straight out of the Israel propaganda textbook. Only problem for them is that since then, we have had the Geneva Convention which totally prohibits these kinds of actions.
@@kbcaps Yup… they want to be perpetual victims that use the holocaust and atrocities of WWII to garner sympathy but want to be exempt from the rules put in place to prevent recurrence of similar atrocities. Rules for thee not for me.
No, they are showing their true colours now and the majority of the world can see that.
In what world is forcibly moving millions into Palestine and then expelling those who are already there, not an act of aggression, Oct 7 was just the most recent catastrophe.
Just on one point made. Qatar did fund Hamas. They were also asked to do so by Isreal. The latter fact is from the Isreali Government. It was part of stopping Gaza and the West Bank unifying politically as that would address the Oslo Accords and the Two State solution. Again that came from Netenyanau.
Not true. The rationale in Israel was the economic prosperity would result peace which is why it withdrew from Gaza completely. Also allowing Palestinians from Gaza to work in Israel. Then these workers broke on October 7th and massacred their employees.
@@user-xr1th3jn3nThat's just a load of tosh.
Illegal settlements, settler violence, military occupation of west bank, rhetoric from Ben Gvir and co.
None of this points to wanting the Pallys to prosper.
By workers do you mean the oppressed and by employees do you mean the oppressors/occupiers/colonists.
If you don't mean that, then you have more reading to do.
Also, this is not aimed at you, but I'm sick of the 'we left Gaza in 2005' argument. They took all the Izzies out so they won't have to see and deal with what the IDF were about to do with the Gazians for the next 20 years which was daily mental torture which also sometimes became physical. It's known as an open air prison for a reason.
@@sadika7567 i dont care if you’re sick of it but it’s true. They elected Hamas a year after and they are responsible. This alleged “open air prison” is nothing but a populist baseless claim. All these days the Palestinians show off how amazing Gaza was before the war. Tens of thousands of gazans came to work in Israel on a daily basis. Also you are forgetting Egypt borders Gaza as well but no one talks about it.
Ah it says your name is Levi, no wonder you don't have the truth, the censorship for the Zi population is insane. So many don't even know the basic History and are told anything bad they see is "fake" and "never happened". You've been fooled by your government for years. Wake up.
Comparing Dresden to Gaza is ridiculous. 76 yrs of occupation and dehumanization vs Nazis. Really?
Absolutely. I still believed the situation was "complicated" before October 7. The horrors that have come since have caused me to learn more about what happened before October 7 to get us here. And the things Israeli leaders and citizens have said are literally worse than WWII rhetoric. I've been shocked to my core at the immorality.
I would love to know how one of the most strongly protected borders in the world was so easily breached.
I would love to know how one of the most effective intelligence services in the world had no idea an attack was coming.
I wonder...
According to the young IDF women whose sole task was to monitor activity in and along the walls of Gaza, 24/7, an attack was on the cards. Their reports to security were ignored as was two warning from Egypt. Some of those lovely unarmed IDF girls died in the Oct 7 attack.
How can a state be formed that only serves one religious sect & everyone else is treated as a second class citizen.
Netanyahu funded Hamas!
Ask the Palestinians, they did it for centuries before Israel existed (Look up the word "Dhimma")
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I expect cavemen were pretty savage, but we’re supposed to be a little more civilised than those that lived 1000s of years ago?
The end of the second WW brought in international laws for all countries to abide by, so that this won’t happen. If it does then country should expect to be treated like a Pariah!
just listening to western commentators, even the 'well-to-do' ones, you can't help but feel that they just don't get it.
They get it, but unfortunately can’t say it out loud. If my five year old gets it, so can a grown up, with experience!
We kind of invented the whole concept of Pogroms...so we do have to be careful
People often have a tendency to align with friends and colleagues, a behavior rooted in tribal psychology. It also happens that many Israelis-linked people occupy prominent positions.
Armed resistance is legitimate against an occupation under international law.
Netanyahu must be tried at the ICJ or the ICJ should be dissolved.
I started following the conflict in 2014 during "Operation Protective Edge" which killed about 2000 Palestinians. One of the stories from that time was of Israel shelling an active maternity ward. After that I learned about the Nakba, occupation and apartheid policies of Israel. So no, Oct 7 has not changed my views.
Mine haven't changed either. Remember Rached Corrie and what happened to her
When Nathanyahu said Isreal from River to the Sea, what did he mean?
Initially i felt sympathy for the Israeli people, it astonished me that the Israeli government which was supposed to have one of the best intelligence in the world - let this massacre unfold. However, I've done a full 360 degree, after the way Netanyahu has handled this, it makes you wonder what the Palestinians have been going through prior, how they have been treated. I think the wool had been put over our eyes but now it's clear to see. The Palestinian people (mostly children) have been suffering and this was an excuse to wipe them out. Dreadful, can't believe i live in the West and my country has supported this.
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180 not 360 …
The insults of mainstream media to treat us, the individuals as ignorant fools, has gone too far. We know the truth now and we won’t forget.
No, it just makes aware what has been happening for decades, to the global public
Saint George was a Knight in shining Armour ,
Saint George was a Jihaadi....Who struggled for JUSTICE.
Saint George fought for the Oppressed,....This is why our Country has adopted his Flag.
Question,
IF Saint George had been alive today,
Would he have sided with the Oppressed or the Oppressor?
Be British & Proud,....Side with the Oppressed.
Well articulated
Btw st George is a muslim saint too specially Palestinian saint called jirjus
why is the never any talk of innocent Palestinians childrens rights. oh yeah i forgot they dont have any.
My views have certainly changed. I grew up around Hackney and Stoke Newington. I used to baby sit for a Jewish family. Then care for an elderly Jewish man for a period of time.
I can not believe that the people that I have been listening to over the past months have anything in common with the people I knew.
As a non Jewish person, I am afraid for our safety from the idf soldiers returning after their stint in Palestine.
Second caller..
Qatari's are bank rolling Ha..mas..
The US is bank rolling the I.D.F, but not only with money, but also 2000lbs bo...mbs..
It should become mandatory learning in schools to be taught about all the meddling of the colonial powers including England
" including England"!! It was them that started the Israeli Palestine problem when the Ottoman Empire was defeated.
This is a UNSC resolution and those Come with enforcement-remember Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia etc etc etc....
Any Arab Nations now can legitimately get involved in defense of Palestinians if Likudis refuse to ceasefire indefinitely.
Sad that a journalist just became aware of Hamas charter change yesterday ... Those people are supposed to inform and educate us.
Exactly my thought.... many of these so called journalists are just entertainers, we have more knowledge and understanding about many foreign affairs than them because they are under the thumb of their paymasters
Notice how they always talk about the charter but never show it the actual quotes from it? Because it wouldn't fit the narrative
And Israel is not terror state? Just wondering
100 % correct
@@eddiemac2650 thank you. Really sickening
I have started boycotting any product or service that has anything to do with Israel or links to Israel, I'm in my 60s and have never done anything like that in my life, I urge others to do the same, i'm in the process of changing one of my pension funds for this reason.
It's interesting you are saying that because a lot of UA-cam channels nowadays are sponsored by Better Help and that is a company created by a former IDF person. I wonder how many people including the ones accepting the sponsorship know that.
The Kavernacle made a video about it recently, it's called something along the lines of "Bad companies".
Well done to you!
Thank you for your solidarity 🤍
People who's minds were changed should question their morality.Isreal have been doing a version of this horror for decades, enabled by the indifference of it's supporters in the West.If ,on the 8th of October, you were firmly within the Israel camp, there's something wrong with you.
The problem is information. The pro-Israel crowd has been shielded from seeing and hearing about Israel's atrocities for their entire life. For many of them, this is the first time that they've become aware (or have been unconvinced by the hasbara talking points) of Israel's ongoing crimes against the Palestinians. I personally know many people that were pro-Israel until now. In the end, I'll welcome any person that has opened their eyes. We can only afford to look forward, for the sake of the Palestinians
Its like brexit all over again. Only after the damage is done do they realise "oh, maybe that was the wrong move".
Politicians always know what they're doing. You don't matter, just your taxes.
Brexit was bang on the right move. It was what we voted for, and it's time you accepted it.
@@alandraper7901 The majority of the British people, including Brexit voters, disagree with you according to polls.
We were never really aware of the extent of apartheid being practised in Israel. Isreal has managed so well to conceal their crimes
Quite ironic, man is comparing Hamases act to Netenyahus.
I don’t think you’ve seen an older Palestinian woman shaking hands with Netenyahu.
But we have seen the Israeli Jewish woman shaking hands with Hamases soldier.
Think about that for a moment before comparing the two.
A Palestinian woman shaking the hand of an occupying power? Your daft!
I believe the normies tend to use the word “terrorist” without even knowing the definition of it.
Only 36 countries out of the 193 at the UN designate Hamas as a terrorist organisation and that includes the 27 from the EU. Hamas has indeed engaged in acts of terrorism be it on 07/10 or in the early 2000s but the same can be said ten times over of Israel or the US.
Ultimately, there is no legal definition of what consitutes a terrorist organisation given it's a highly politically motivated subject. After all, the ANC and Mandela were designated as terrorists by the UK, the US and much of Europe...we all know how ridiculous this was. Especially when at the same time, Piochet and Saddam Hussein were allies of the West!
@@kbcaps very well said sir
War or No war people should not be deprived of food and water especially children
Is it not weird that Sunak flew to Israel promising arms but as the Palestinians were being murdered, nobody offered food & water.
The ANC in South Africa had a military wing that committed terrorist attacks. For a while they had Nelson Mandela. Mandela even called himself a terrorist for that time.
We all know what happened in the early 90’s
And, they resorted to armed resistance after decades of nonviolent resistance being met by the most brutal reprisals by the South African apartheid regime. Also, the latter was provided with arms by the US, UK, France and Germany, which practice continued illicitly even after sanctions were imposed by the UN. So many parallels to the Palestinian struggle, which illustrate the hypocrisy of the so-called West.
Izzy also supported the the government in SA until the bitter end. That's why SA would not stand idly by and brought the case against them to the ICJ. They never forgot what Izzy did and neither will the rest of the world after what we have witnessed over the last 6 months @@peegee2024
How are we 6 months in and this host is just learning that the Hamas Charter was updated
My opinion hasn't changed, I am just glad many other people have changed theirs.
After 75 years of one sided reporting it is encouraging.
Please can someone do a session on what's happening in Al-shifa hospital, where we are seeing all crimes imaginable happening against Palestinians.
As soon as the caller starts criticizing Israel, the interviewer immediately interrupts him and brings up 7th Oct. is this fair reporting
The critisism of Hamas has died away because Israel have proportionally out-terrorised them since October 2023
The narrative is that this all began last October, but hundreds of Palestinians had been killed that year already. The implication behind that narrative being that the lives of Palestinian victims are worth less than those of Israeli victims and that is very dangerous. The result of this way of thinking has played itself out in Gaza over the last few months.
As Matthew mentioned there has been a revision to the hms charter but MSM never talk about it. The people who put together the 80s version are mostly not around and the 2020s version is under the current regime. The same MSM though are happy to ignore the current Likud party charter which is worse than all these charters put together!
I’m a Muslim and I agree with the Jewish male; thank you for being fair and truthful
We are all human beings first, and we all want to live in peace and for our families to be safe. We have more in common than the media would want us to think
Absolutely. I have a Jewish friend & i consider him almost like family. It's Zionism, the actions of the Israeli government & their enablers which I detest.
Why is it right that he calls Hamas terrorists but not Israel? Israel is invading someone else’s lands and killing them… that is terrorism!
It's great he has turned his view around, but that Hamas leaders son he listens to is fanatical
I wished the caller study the history of Palestine from 1948 to 1958,1968,1978,and go and on till 6th of October by professor Ilan Pappe the Israeli Historian, by Professor Avi Shlaim the Jewish British Historian, by Daniel Levy adviser to Israeli government. You will find the truth.
Right, we see a glimpse of what happened when they admitted it during the Tantura documentary outside of Palestinian sources and that's just one village. Also the Zionist terrorist groups that led to the creation of the state like Stern, Irgun, Lehi and Haganah formed into what we is now the IDF.
The ethno-religious colonial project in Palestine has miserably failed. The chosen people could not succeed where the master race failed.
People really need to research the history of Palestine and how it was basically invaded by what would be Israel, with the support of Britain and the United States. Also, Israel had done air strikes on Gaza for THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS two weeks before October 7th. 2023 was also had the highest recorded number of Palestinians killed by the IDF in the West Bank with 492 killed, including 120 Palestinian children. We talk so much about the 7th, but people either don't know or ignore the violence that Israel has been committing against Palestine FOR DECADES.
Two wrongs don't make a right, and two wrongs won't right a wrong.
My view of Isreal hasn't changed since Rachel Corrie. Also, I don't view Netanyahu or the IDF as "Israel".
Wright is right..Thank you for the 2nd caller .who is jewish but is showing such Humanity and intelligence...
The comparison with Allied bombing doesn't stand, the allied were facing an equal force, and they didn't have the precision weapons available today. Israel( which is a nuclear state) claiming that it's existence might be in danger by a militia is simply Preposterous. Hamas is some 40k strong, did an incursion of a few hours within israel following a 17 years blockade, incursion still unexplainable given the means at israelis disposal...
They haven’t gone to save the hostages
If someones isn’t changed since 7 October thatcan be explained by a person already knew from the beginning that the Israeli soldiers are cruel monsters or a person is a monster and agrees irrespectable all the warcrimes committed.
Where in the bible does it say that the British govt would give Israel to the J's?
This journalist was unaware that Hamas updated its charter. What kind of journalists are these?
I think your focus on October 7th is juvenile. Your audience is more sophisticated by now. We ALL know this started before October 7th. Get with it and stop appealing to the lowest common denominator. The common denominator has risen.
My views haven't changed because of Oct 7th. I've always considered Israel of apartheid crime. It's well documented. But all one has to do is listen to respected Israeli/Jewish historians and academics. Their insight into how Israeli policies hurt the people of Palestine in every possible dimension possible is horrendous.
Matthew Wright. Political analyst. Not. The man's a simpleton.
Hamas changed their charter in 2017
Very worrying the "journalist" did not know this, but most non-journalist regular citizens do. Gotta wonder why these people get paid for doing such a poor job
Thanks for bringing up northern ireland because I don't think people are as informed enough about Palestine and the history and just look at the 'hamas are terrorists' narrative without actually looking at the causes.
Decades?? 😂😂😂 mate in 5 yrs time the 80 yr curse kicks in… zio bongo bongo land will be no more 😂
Not many people dare to mention that curse..
@@Victor_James68 not many know about it…. But you can bet you’re very expensive mortgage that they know about it… 😂
Well spoken Woody and thanks for your concern about innocent and helpless people in both sides
We got to stop comparing wars it's no justification for innocent ppl to die 1 innocent death is 2 much on both sides.
We can’t ignore October 7th but we can ignore 75 years of Jew occupation of Palestine right?!
Blaming Qatar is mental