James O'Brien breaks down Israel's 'self-inflicted' generational damage | LBC
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- Опубліковано 11 бер 2024
- In an extended monologue, James O'Brien reflects on the ongoing war in Gaza, where more than 31,045 Palestinians have been killed and 72,654 injured in Israeli attacks on Gaza since October 7.
James reflects on Benjamin Netanyahu's and his government's role in damaging all of the 'PR' Israel has built for itself since their independence, and whether the damage done could be 'generational'.
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"It started at 1948 and not 7 oktober!!!!!!"
1924/1914/ back to whenever you choose really
Yes. Even a little bit before: A quick study of the Brits involvement from 1919 - 1947. But yeah, the real conflagration got going in '48. I am relieved to see and hear that the world is finally looking at facts as to what's been going on for decades.
Absolutely 💯 without a doubt.
Even before that with Balfour agreement,
@@debbieclifford3693 Yes many believe that was 1948 but it was 1917. However this isn't really the start of the problem. For that, you need to go back to the Romans who overthrew Judah and The Kingdom Of Israil following a 60 year war with the Jewish residents, kicked out all the Jews and renamed the land Palestine. The Arab V Jew issue didn't really start until the colonization by the Otterman Empire in or around 1516 which A brought in Arab settlers and B allowed Jews to re enter the lands.
Netenyahu didnt damage Israel reputation he just showed true face of it.
Exactly!
So you are blaming all the Israeli citizens for this?! Shame on you.
@@GretsGarbo When majority of citizens thinks what their goverments is doing in gaza is not enough than it is fari to say that. Who is blocking aid trucks entering in gaza? Correct israel citizens. Also who stole palestinian lands in west bank? israel thieves. Even now they are selling stolen palestinian lands in auctions in canada and US. Sorry mate there are some israel decent citizens but majority of them aware war crimes they are commiting since 1948 and they fully support that. This war crimes didnt started oct. 7th it is going on 75 years do you think this could continue without israel citizens support?
@@GretsGarbo but you can blame all Palestinians for Oct 7th
@@GretsGarbo When mojority of citizens thinks current gnıcde is not enough and want more bombing, or citizens blocking aid trucks to starve women and children and celebrates it, or continue torture to people in west bank you cant say they are not guilty.war crimes of israel is not new it has 75 years history and citizens always supported it. Did you see what happened teacher and school principal who showed symphaty to palestinians? How citizens targetted them.
The question "How many is too many?" is a deeply immoral question. Revenge by a state against civilians is never justified.
It's what passes in the west.
Precisely, this is especially in light of the long history of the OCCUPATION and murderous policy of the Israel.
I agree. Hamas was/is the Government of Gaza. Their actions on 7th October 2023 were not justified. A deeply immoral death cult.
Hm. I wonder if you'd say the same about 10/7.
@@auntiesemite9295Western hypocrisy and double standards.
Anyone serving the IDF from UK should be deemed a terrorist after the wsr crimes they are committing
💯💯💯
Hear hear. If it wasn't for tiktok we would have actual evidence what some of these British citizens have commited out there
you can't be a terrorist if you're getting paid for it
Should be stripped of British citizenship like Begum was.
If it wasn't for tiktok we wouldn't even know what some of them have been upto
He was a war criminal 20 years ago Netanyahu should be in a jail cell.
He is aware, and knows that will most likely happen as soon as the war ends, which is one of many reasons it is continuing
@@ButtasUK and other world leaders will let him of just like they always do.
Unlike the leadership of Hamas who obviously need to be pampered living in luxury paid for by the international community.
A lot more than a jail cell I’ll tell you that
@@11buster1000 yeah, well, it wouldn't do to set any precedents about conduct in office, eh?
Poor james having to do mental gymnastics toavoid being antisemitic for simply stating
- the deaths of 30k people is wrong
- the destruction of 80% of the civilian property in the area is wrong
- the systematic starvation of 2 million people is wrong
And yet he hangs Jeremy Corbyn as antisemitic. Jeremy Corbyn has done more to achieve peace than James will ever do. And now James and his show are a part of the machine that crushes the pursuit of peace.
@@user-hy6xp9jj4x Yes this is accurate James can be two-faced
@@pmoran7971as an African-American watching plenty of James's videos it's kind of disheartening and confusing to watch him do the mental gymnastics as far as trying to seem neutral but yet compassionate.
I honestly think the producers are nudging him in that direction but he has to understand that this is not a grey issue.
@@Mike-tb5gjall of Palestine has been the hostage of Israel
@@Mike-tb5gj The whole of Gaza is being held hostage.
Sorry James but an occupier never has the right to self defence.
100%
What is absolutely enraging is that they thought just that in 1943 when they started an uprising in Warsaw's ghetto, and apparently changed their mind in the meantime. But it is either both, or none: either the fate of people in 1943 and the people in 2023 both should be condemned as atrocities, or none should. Which is it, Israel?
@@bl4ckkn1g8t5 REPORTED HATE SPEECH.
@@wolcek Classic WHATABOUTISM. What happened in 1943 has NOTHING to do with what's happening today.
@@Dark_Bandonwhat? Ashamed of the parallels? It's true, though. Why do we condemn Hamas for doing the same as the resistance forces in countries occupied during WW2?
The one thing i can thank Netanyahu for is for making me find out what the Zionst ideology is and what it has inflicted globally since its inception in 1897.
💯 agree, i thought I had some knowledge but now that Pandora’s box has been opened the Zionist ideology has been laid bare for even your average Joe to see.
Absolutely correct the CULT can be seen in all its shame.
Peace to Palestinian 🇬🇧
Yessir!
Israel is treating the Geneva convention like a checklist.
Exactly! And also adding some new items.
I feel more like toilet paper.
What do you mean? That they are living up to the convention…?
@@user-qk9nf6kz4c He means they use the articles of the Geneva convention as a guide on how to be evil, by doing the opposite
OK, we don't need this one check!
Hmmm, that one is undesirable check!
Ah and we don't like this one check!
Its not just Netanyahu, it's Isreal as a whole. I will never support any policy that favors them ever again
It's never only the bully, it's also those that support/empower the bully, whether in the school playground, the workplace, social club or in wartime. In other words, the "allies" are all culpable!
Not All of Israel! It is just the Radical Right! The split is 50/50!
A recent poll of Israelis showed that 92% of them either feel that the IDF is acting perfectly correctly, or is not using enough force against Gaza. It is not only Netanyahu who is genocidal.
It's the way they are indoctrinated from birth.
Where do I find this poll please?
Its all of the people in that stolen land or they would not be there.
Shows Satanic forces at work.
Isreal censors what the Israeli people see and say, But I agree with your statement.
Israel has strengthened the Palestinian cause beyond the wildest dreams of any Hamas commander.
Because now people see how vicious and violent the six point star cartel is and how they truly do view themselves above non six pointed star cartels
Accurate statement! 💯
Exactly 💯
hoummous is controlled by IDF
So true
Hard to criticise Israel without being called antisemitic, just ask Corbyn.
Palestinians are semites, not just jews
@@ZelM-hz1ob yeah but come on, we all know anti-Semitic means anti-Jew. It's the word that's used.
Arabia is the home of J1 M267 P58 - Semitic/WestAsian DNA, which includes Jews; not exclusively though.
Jeremy White how do you think the anti-Zionist Jews feel being called antisemetic by Germany as happened recently? Jeremy should form an alliance with Galloway
You can go ahead and call me "anti-semitic" all day every day. I've been called worse thing than that. It's actually a completely meaningless string of syllables.
the country that commemorates a holocaust... now committing a holocaust. How disgustingly ironic.
Not only that...but actively using that first holocaust as a shield to deflect criticism of their own.
The difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel digs up it's human shields.
Nonsense
Condemned by whom?!!! They get applauded.@@bengoodhind8595
You obviously don't know anything about the holocaust. Palestine committed one on October 7th.
@@bengoodhind8595Guess you don't watch the news. The coverage is insanity pro Israel.
Never ever will forget the genecide. We will never look at Israel the same way
In a few months after the conflict has ended you'll have forgotten all about it and you're be clutching your pearls over some other subject.
Not the truth, we will always remember and teach our children too@@Dark_Bandon
Israel is not a person why do you speak of a nation like you would an individual? A nation is too big to be seen by 1 person. The Israeli GOVERNMENT are the ones i think you mean, not the Israeli people. Big distinction.
@@MySamurai77 A poll showed 98.2% say netanyahu hasn't gone far enough
@@Dark_BandonThis won't be over in a few months and some of us have known about these people for a long time. Israel is over.
Why are you blaming this on Netanyahu alone? Biden, Sunak and many more are as complicit.
As are more-or-less all USA Presidents and UK Prime ministers since after, say, 1967 - also no doubt many other European Governments
Cough! Spitting my tea out in amazement.
Suppose hamas need not take any responsibility for this? 🙄
How tf are they as complicit?
Im not saying they arent complicit at all. But as complicit?
Come on, that doesnt even make sense. Feels like your getting your info from the same groups that attack Starbucks workers even tho BDS doesnt include Starbucks (and attacking minimum wage workers is disgusting as it is)
Are the Gun Salesmen as complicit as the Mass Shooters?
Not Sunak, he's too much of a coward to support anything.
Mandela was called a terrorist by almost the whole world tuntil apartheid was stopped in 1994
Yeah well now South Africa is a failed state with rolling blackouts and police force so ineffective that people use private security firms and guns to defend themselves. Congratulations 👏
Does everyone know what the Mandela effect is?
Cut that out. I lived through Mandela's release and his Presidency, and I fully remember that day of his release.
It was literally a live broadcast, since we had reporters on the scene that it happened.@@LShannon-wr6zx
I think that's because he was!! Yes, he reformed and became a great statesman. However, now look at SA....a tribal basket case.
No not whole world called him terrorist...only the white majority countries called him a terrorist
Arrest Netanyahu. Free Assange.
I second that.
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Exile tories
Bill Stickers is innocent, as well!
@monkeyboy8424 "Hear! Hear!"
People who survived a holacaust somehow willing to start a holacaust.
People who grandparents survived
An abused child often grows up to be an abuser.
@@acrodave9287 I naively assumed that going through a holocaust would make your nation less likely to carry out a holocaust.
I guess that explains the negative view Israel is experiencing from a large part of the world.
@@acrodave9287 Israelis aren't abused children, they are the grandchildren of someone who was abused.
Very few Israelis are actual Holocaust survivors. I've yet to find the first actual Holocaust survivor who agrees with what Israel is doing to the Palestinians
How about an apology to Corbyn?
Yes agreed
Why? He was a useful fool for the Tories and probably elected by more Tories than Socialists.
When I made this point, it wasn't very popular. How Piers treated him on uncensored on this topic was disgusting. He should be sacked
It's depressing to think that a toddler is being starved for no other reason than that they were born in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Our world leaders need to do better
Ммм... Maybe because His father voted for the terrorists? Maybe worked for them? Supports them?
the UK will replace them this year
We have so called leader who work for interest of different lobbies not for the people.
ask yourself : if Gazaans had broken out and joined the music festival to celebrate common humanity , would Gaza be in the state it is now? Todlers die because their parents allowed/encouraged the building of military infrastructure under their town and celebrated the massacre of 90% of all the neighbours their army met when they invaded brigade size. Only to keep fighting in civilian clothes from that infrastructure and keeping hostages.
@@kopeducatithat's... if they were not oppressed for nearly a century 😂 imagine being prosecuted 24/7 then some random dude expects you to go dance with your oppressor's event... brilliant logic
The Palestinians are. S E M E T IC why is this being ignored. Not only Palestinians but the other peoples of the region.😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Doesn't fit the narrative
Jews are Semetic but not so the Zionists
I mean, it's a language group. Ethnicity is a social construct, and race is just a convenient shorthand for salient characteristics denoting apparent difference. The term anti-semitic is used in the modern context to refer to hatred, prejudice etc towards Jews, but of course Jewish identity is itself complex, involving Ashkenazi heritage, matrilineal descent, the religion, Hebrew as a language, even just social identity.
The term is also abused, unfortunately, because anti-semitism (as understood today) is a widespread and serious problem, that unfortunately many cynical people have exploited for propagandistic purposes.
But yeah, the Akkadians and their descendants the neo-Assyrians were also afrosemitic, though the Sumerians were not, and so much of the oldest writing we have is from that backdrop via cuneiform.
@@simonkapadia7582 sure ... if you ignore shared genes.
Can you imagine, Jimmy Saville rayping a child, and when that child scratches Jimmy, he punches the child black and blue. Then claims that he had the right to self defence.
O how twisted
I don't know if you think you're being clever but that analogy makes no sense whatsoever
@@BuIIetBiIImakes total sense to the dozens of people who upvoted it
Alexei Sayle: : " Israel is the Jimmy Saville of nation states: both like harming children" Very well said and oh so true. Change will not happen within Israel, change will have to be imposed by exterior means. 20 to 30 years of ultra zionist education in the schools have brainwashed the young to believe this apartheid ideology. There will have to follow at some point or other a programme of dezionisation.
@BuIIetBiII Jimmy is izra'ill and the child is the innocent people of Palestine.
Did that make sense now?
@BuIIetBiII he's saying Izra is a brutal, savage bully and Pally is the innocent child who can't fight back and did nothing wrong to begin with.
Need any more clarification?
It wouldn't surprise me if Netanyahu let Oct. 7th happen so he can have this war
Me neither. There is enough evidence to make a case that they did.
Of course he did. It played right into his hands.
Early reports from independent media say that Egyptian intelligence warned Israel of imminent attacks by Hamas.
He did watch news that is not doctored
If that's the case then Hamas were more than happy to play along. Hamas and the Israeli government need each other,
80+% of Israelis support everything Netanyahu has done. Many think he hasn't gone far enough. Most support the blockade of food.
not sure that's true, some are protesting etc
Your people's 🤦🏽♂️
@@waltersmith5293 its very true only a very small minority dont support what the government have done
@@waltersmith5293They protesting about the hostages. The majority of them were depraved.
Fact. He indeed enjoys the support of the majority of the people there. Just check their social media and you will see how deranged that society has become.
O’Brien blames Netanyahu but it is Israel that will never be forgiven. The TikTok films of widely shared IDF war crimes were not committed by him. More readily a search for the ‘Wedding of Hate’ does not show Bibi present nor the choir widely appearing on Israeli national media.
When there are no consequences for your actions the result is the state of Israel.
Why do you excuse the man at the helm?
@janeking9540 I am not and do not he must be charged. But the nature of the state and the attitude of its citizens towards others in the region with impunity one that will never result in a lasting settlement.
@@taxpayer1040 Maybe, just maybe, the Israelis have gotten used to having to defend themselves and always make sure they hit back twice, three times or four times as hard when someone attacks them.
Hamas have not learned from history.
@@Mike-tb5gj Have you ever considered that Israel, being the occupying military power in this conflict, would provoke the Palestinians into some kind of aggressive action and then use it to respond, as you rightly say, many times harder. Is that their strategy, to provoke an incident, respond by killing and destroying as much as world opinion allows. Is this central to Israels stated expansion plan. We can all see what Israel has done to Gaza and it people and sadly continues to do, which raises the question: What is the truth, the real story behind Oct 7/
@@rayglenister9799 That is a reasonable thesis, so long as we accept the premise that Israel is the "occupying power".
I am also not convinced about Israel wishing to expand, although I acknowledge (and do not agree with) the settlement of land won through the wars in 1967 &1973. These settlements should be demolished, in my humble view. However, this is what happens in war I guess.
Your final question is the one that requires an answer. Given that Hamas' avowed aim is to get rid of all Jews, not just those in Israel, but world-wide, we must assume that Hamas was hoping the global "Ummah" would join in and help out....
Hey James, to paraphrase your words how about Palestinians right to respond robustly and militarily to enduring an invasion and apartheid?
This has everything to do with any excuse for the removal of the remaining indigenous Palestinian and Arab peoples rather than "rightgeous" indignation at rage to a terrorist crime.
Believe me, if that's what they wanted, the numbers would be WAY worse.
True they have a shortage of land the Israeli refugees have caused nothing but trouble a war with Egypt they stole the Sinai , war with Lebanon stole the Golan heights with the wests backing. I lived there in the 80s the Palestinians were no problem but lived in fear because they were persecuted and ive struggled ever since as to why the west allows it.
@@SandraKanferClarkeif Israel wasn't reliant on the world to supply it with arms and money, things _would_ be WAY worse, and they'd have genocided the Palestinians long ago
The Court of Public Opinion finds them guilty.
I'm sure the International Court of Justice will do, too.
Insha'Allah but only Allah will give justice.@@shauncoop74
We know Hamas are guilty.
@@GretsGarbo And no one disputes that. But just to clue you in, we’re talking about the other terrorist machine.
@@alisoninchausti1080 Fatah and the PLO?
The lack of humanity, understanding and bias is so toxic and has already hit the UK. This is sad, horrible and dangerous.
I know, the far right Islamist protesters should be ashamed of themselves.
Exactly , the massive rise in antisemitism is awful
@SK-ei4cm think you have got the wrong end of the stick!
@@SK-ei4cm awful for all humans in the world including those that don't have labels. Creed, Religion, Colour, non UK should not have to labelled.Injustice should not be justified and labelled. Hate is bad for only the human who hates
@@SK-ei4cm You have missed the point.
30,000 is just as immoral as 1000. Innocents are innocents whatever the number.
True. Except that in one case you have 30 times more of those priceless innocent lives. 30 times more families and people impacted, 30 times more tombs to dig. Let's not confuse "one innocent death is one too many" and "one innocent death or one thousand is the same".
@@mimio008 yt kept deleting my actual comment, but what I was commenting on was people now saying 30,000 is too many. Too many was at the beginning when they started indescrimanately racking up numbers without any care.
@@-xirx- I see. Yt been censoring so many comments lately. I wonder why?... 🙄
The US and EU have to do airdroppings and build a port because Israel refuses to let aid into Gaza. That says it all, really.
It's a pathetic stunt from US and EU for the reelection of Biden and Von der Leyen
That they could have, and should have, done that on day 1, when Israel closed the border, says a lot more.
It took the West 5 months to respond to a humanitarian crisis, it is fuelling with its support and weapons.
No it doesn't - aid as been arriving. Hamas are nicking it for their "fighters".
ikr smh
we cannot nor should not forget, the atrocities started decade's before the 7th by occupiers! lest we forget..
Israel have been terrorizing Palestinians before Hamas ever existed
@@Valhalla-vk7hfNot very well versed in history are you?
You mean like the Massacre of the Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics in 1972 ?
Yes, "Gary". We know it ALL started at October 7th.
so your a 5 year old?@@marcellodelira5601
Most LBC presenters condemned the From The River To The Sea shouting when it comes from the supporters of the Palestinians.
But when it comes from the supporters of Israel as ya've just said, it means NO HARM.
It's part of the Israeli Lekud Party's foundation documents... it's their policy.
@@montanacreed5826 You're absolutely right.
It was a term invented by Theodor Herzl, at the founding of their state.
It was a precursor of their ambition in expanding and annexing Palestinian territories.
The facts and evidence were all there already O'Brien. You weren't paying attention as usual.
You're blaming the messenger because you don't like the message. Get a life.
Netanyahu has done untold damage to Israel and that damage began long before Hamas attacked on 7th October.
He's known as the Crime Minister by Israelis and tried unsuccessfully last year to 'reform' the judiciary in his own personal interest. He also suported Hamas over the Palestinian Authority in order to create division. How well it's all worked out for him, his country and his neighbours. Unfit to lead anything.
There is a massive difference between disagreeing with a country’s government and being a against all its people. I don’t agree with the Israeli government and what it’s doing in Palestine and Gaza, and this is not just the here and now, it’s been going on for a very long time.
It's the same nonsense as people who claim that disliking the Tory party means you hate the UK
If you have a super majority of voters agreeing with the actions of the government there's no substantial difference.
@@charismahornum-fries691 Hamas/Palestinians fits that too.
@@contact594Not the same thing. Palestinians are being occupied.
@@johnnypatterson7512 And Israelis are being terrorised, it's exactly the same. And before the 'occupation' please explain why Jews were massacred in Palestine.
The situation in Gaza is not only damaging Israel but is destroying European civilisation. I've always believed in the existence of Israel. The question now is SHOULD it exist. The answer to anyone honest enough is, not in its present form. Netanyahu and his cabinet has besmirched the memory of the Holocaust and brought all of Western Civilisation into disrepute. It is either the end of Israel OR the end of European civilisation.
I agree completely.
yep. well said also
Does that mean you also believe that Syria, Sudan, Yemen, Iran, Egypt, US, UK, France, China, Turkey, Azerbajan shouldn't exist?
@@jasmins203which country created isrl back in 1948? Which part of the world allowed holocaust to happen? No idea? Or you think the past and the present are not connected?
@@olgasokurova9559 they obviously don’t know squat. another ‘me me me’ type person
"This is hurting Israel now"!? Is that an ethical conclusion to come to? I can think of other people being hurt far more.
There are countries who are known for supplying arms in all the wars .. its high time THEY ARE NAMED AND SHAMED AND ISOLATED
US, UK and France.
That's America out of a job then!
i'm american. That's 100% us. I think we need to change the UN and International court of justice real, independant power . And put absolute limits on military power. Wont happen in our lifetimes but perhaps next century
I think to balance the scales, like james mentioned we must see Netanyahu and a few key players from his cabinet and the head of the IDF in the hague on war crimes.
....together with the leadership of Hamas, most of whom are living quite nicely in places like Qatar......
@@Mike-tb5gj sure if their is evidence that they directly dealt in the planning around the terrorist attack on Israel, then sure. But we know that Ben-gvir, Netanyahu and others in Israel dealt with the strategy in Gaza and this was carried out by the IDF leadership. I strongly feel the head of MOSSAD should also stand trial.
@@ianwright389I'm not sure Israel need proof of anything
@@Valhalla-vk7hfWhataboutism. You get Hamas are already designated terrorists, right?!
Whole Isreal is guilty
It aint just netanyahu. That gives them a big copout when he ineveitably goes, it's the majority of goverment officials, military commanders, soldiers unfortunately the majority of citizens support this too
I try not to blame your average citizen in this cruelty but it’s supported by a significant minority of israelis unbelievable! Only70 after the holocaust where are the survivors most of them would be dead but surely some must be speaking out against the atrocities
This! Netanyahu is not an isolated island. He speaks for his government.
@@ricklocke1187 There are holocaust survivors who are fiercely opposing the ongoing crime against humanity. E.g., dr. Gabor Maté, who also has denounced the zionism he was indoctrinated into.
Exactly. Netanyahu was always planned to be the fall guy from the beginning. His grand exit. Something along the lines of you take the rap for this and leave quietly afterwards and the rest of the coalition will make sure you never have to complete your court cases. That's why he is so dangerous and they are so carefree about the appalling losses, that part of the exit strategy was already planned from the start. It was actually part of their war rhetoric at the beginning: to lay the first excesses on Netanyahu and say 'don't worry, he will be gone soon and their will be new leadership.'
In my view, Netanyahu and the Likud party saw the Hamas attack as an opportunity to rapidly expand and eliminate Palestinian obstacles. The slow painstaking process of grabbing land on the West bank could be accelerated, thanks to the Hamas. The number of victims is irrelevant, especially when it affects those to be eliminated. Knowing that international opposition would only be verbal, they rushed in very much like the Russians do with neighbouring countries.
Agreed on the first part but, with due respect, the genesis of Russian actions are completely different
It does look like that , doesn’t it
LITTLE CHILDREN BEING KILLED IS JUST PURE EVIL ON BOTH SIDES . PEACE LOVE HEALTH AND FREEDOM TO ALL ..
Both sides? If im not mistaken it was israel blockading gaza. It was israel that is doing apartheid in the west bank. It was israel that expelled 700k palestinians in 1948. What hamas done was bad, but what Israel IS, is pure evil
there are 20 000 kids dead on one side it isnt a both sides issue - especially when tank shells and gunships killed their own and lies were told
" THE PARIAH ISRAEL WAR its grotesque and cruel beyone compare"
When you James along with the mainstream media were calling Jeremy Corbyn an anti-Semitic 146 Palestinians were killed by Israel in the peaceful march against the occupation. It never got a mention 😞
What I found crass was when your show was discussing the conflict and some bloke comes on and starts talking about the 16year old English darts sensation.
No apartheid has a right to exist, period.
I cant believe James O'Brien has finally gotten there. He finally sees it
Only if he squints really hard. He’s nowhere near there, yet.
Catching up with public opinion.
He's been saying the same thing since day one of this conflict. It's you who've not been listening.
@@Dark_BandonHe spent most of the time in his condemnation apologising if anyone pro israel didnt understand how very much he empathised with israel
@@charlesreid9337 Time to get yourself a new hat because the TINFOIL is not working for you.
Look, honestly, there is a difference between Israel and Judaism. One is a nation state, the other an ancient, wise religion. Can everyone please stop equating criticism of Israel to being antisemitic! Its like criticising Italy makes you anti-Roman Catholic or criticising India makes you anti-Hinduism. The whole concept is absurd and needs to be called out and stopped as it leads to a growth in both antisemitism and in the impurity of the Israeli state. Again, they are not the same, Israel and Judaism, and should never be considered the same!
zionism is itself anti-Semitic.
Well put
Yes because actually 50, 000 Palestinians are Christians
You are right, but Judaism is also an ethnicity, which is used as a cloak.
That's why jews must speak up and condemn Israel and zionism.
Imagine thinking that the real problem is the reputation of Israel
Im dumbfounded
Speaking against Israel or zion!sm is NOT "antisemitic" Speaking against England is NOT anti British people.
There is a war cabinet which is effectively a coalition government so its not a just Netanyahu
but who's in the driving seat?
Biden, he is the Kingmaker.
@@user-em3vl6li5w not in Israel he is not going to use Israel to win his election
@@Ajalemes Israel has restarted manufacturing plants foe ammunition already knows how to build fighter jets as evidenced by the LAVI project
@@brianlevy4619 what? how is this related?
So how is it that the occupiers had the right to defend itself when they are attacked by a people whose land they have stolen? This was not done in the 16th,17th,18th,19th centuries where land all over the world were sparcely populated and people settled there. This was a land GIVEN BY THE BRITISH TO THEM IN THE 20TH CENTURY, land that was not theirs to give away. They only had a mandate over Palestine.
How? Because none of what you’re saying is true. Your narrative is a lie. What you say only happened in your head
My thoughts exactly. Go look up a young American Jewish gentleman called Nathan Pearson and his studies of the Palestinians. We've literally been backing the wrong team since 1948. The Palestinians are owed a huge apology.
Each life is worth the same. But what rights of resistance does an occupied people have? What rights does the occupier have in the occupied territory.
James Gaslighting everyone, he was very much pro Israel when this all happened on the 7th! We all saw it coming, we all knew what the State of Israel would do! Now he’s trying to distance himself from that awful position!
How you still appear to be more exercised by the self inflicted reputational damage to a state, than the horror unfolding daily, is a mystery to me. The secret to creating peace is to bring justice to the people who have been mistreated, maligned and stolen from for decades. It's really quite simple. Yes, it is crass to worry about the perpetrators.
The whole world looks on in horror and revulsion!
Biden could stop this today, I don’t want to hear about Biden understanding the situation. On the same interview he said that with regards to him, Israel as no red lines and he would support them.
If people in the 21st century believe they are civilised and better than barbarians, then there is absolutely no reasoning for this g cide. Trying to frame it as self defence is the equivalence of saying an eye for an eye! So that makes you no less a barbarian.
It's 10 eyes for an eye, like 400 convicted criminals for 40 hostages. Both sides are appalling, and there doesn't seem to be any answer. But this particular bloodbath was initially provoked by Hamas, and their taking of hostages. The fact is, that action did not improve the situation and that is patently obvious. Apart, of course, from giving Hamas further excuse for violence. Perhaps that was its intention.
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You know that is a disingenuous statement, seeing as most of the "prisoners" are not convicted and in administrative detention.
@@edeledeledel5490 initially provoked by Hamas?? The appalling treatment of the Palestinian people for 7 decades had nothing to do with it, eh?
@@edeledeledel5490convicted criminals by whom? Who convicted them?
Come on... we all know this started on 7th October, everything was fine with the ceasefire in place before then.
Forget about the seige on Gaza, the killings in the west bank, the thousands locked up in prisons without trial, the taking of homes, the decades of occupation, daily degradation and humiliation.
This started on October the 7th
Won't be much fun being an Israeli Tourist in many places of the World. An own goal.
I saw in Dagastan airport how the mob looked for "Jews" not Israelis
Unfortunately many of the people there have other afflictions which they seemed to have been strategic on their part...eg Isreali-Americans, German, British, French etcetera-Jews
@@JohnBosco.1308 So all Jews are a target? got it.
@@westisbest6270 Yes, like Gazans are paying for Sinwar's crimes, maybe we can call him Sinwarcriminal
Most people realise that it's not Jews, it's Israeal
We are seeing mankind behaving at its worst.
Anyone with an ounce of humanity would see that this has gone way too far.
if anyone ever wondered how World Wars start, you no longer need to wonder! we are living it in real time.
James ones again trying to rewrite history. We all remember his shocking words following 7th Oct “how much is too much”. Knowing Isreal would inflict unparalleled levels of brutality.
This number he keeps talking about was nevr the issue. 5000 indiscriminate civiilans is just as bad as 30,000. The first day that they started indescrimanately b**bing civilleans was the red line. Because logically it leads to here.
Israel going too far was killing any civilians, that is never acceptable yet James and others seemed happy almost that Israel were "responding robustly" after the initial attack. "The right to defend itself" does not justify killing ANY civilians.
But-but-but, human shields!
What all these people seem to forget (or ignore) is that an occupier has no right to defend itself from the people it occupies. If it doesn't want to be attacked by those it occupies, it should stop the occupation.
Anyone who talks about this issue needs to start being more honest. That includes James.
This isn't just Nuttyahoo. If you watch what comes out of Izraeli media, as well as the documented sentiments of its population and surveys conducted on them, you realize that it's societal. I'm not the only one who have observed this. Ilan Pappe have said this, so did others like Miko Peled, Norman Finkelstein, Avi Shlaim, etc
So even if Bibi gets removed, what's the guarantee that whoever replaces him will be better and not a Ben-Gvir or Smotrich?
The answer is not to expect them to change. It's for the global community to force them to change. Through divestment, boycott, disinclusion from international events, sanctions, both political, social, and economical. Make it such that they will have no other choice but to reflect. Because as it stands, the major powers of the world are still coddling and spoiling them rotten. Time to take the kid gloves off.
Well said Sir 👏 👍
It isn't a case for me that one side or the other of the death toll matters more for me. What matters is that the actions of Hamas were disgusting, and, equally that this attack on the Palestinian people was totally disproportionate. That the Hamas attacks were used merely as a pretense for Israel to achieve something by force that it could not through apartheid. What matters is that Israel has apparently finally crossed a line for many that, for me, it had crossed decades ago. What matters is that finally, people are beginning to rightfully criticize the actions of Israel against the Palestinian people. That Israel's response was not militarily guided, it was ideologically guided. What it has done has totally undermined its ability to be, in my opinion, misguidedly, trusted by some to be an arbiter of peace in the Middle East. Truthfully, people who believed peace could be had in the Middle East while Israel kept the Palestinian people oppressed by apartheid were wrong. Any group, oppressed for long enough, put through enough hardship, will eventually take action to rectify it. With the Palestinians under apartheid, Israel ensured that any illusion of peace was just that, an illusion.
Well said. This 'final solution' in Gaza is driven by Ideology, the Zionist dream of a greater Israel, and also Biblical claims to Palestinian land. The West Bank will also fall to Israel, who's eyes will then look beyond the eastern shore of the Dead Sea.
And the terror attacks by Israel since 2007? Did Hamas, or Gaza, have the right to respond to those atrocities? It did not begin on October 7.
The true face of what they are and what their agenda is and has been for years is being exposed. Its not new which makes it even more sad.
In case this needs saying to anyone who’s taken everything into consideration, but the 30,000 figure is a GROSS underestimate, like to several factors.
There are No Hospitals Left in working order!
Collective punishment is a crime !!!!
That's the funny thing is NOT. a single person on the palestian side values a the life of a Palestinian more than an isreali life...every SINGLE one of us even publicly condone all innocent death... What evidence does James have that anyone values isreali life LESS than Palestinian life. Insulting much? Doesn't exist mate.. we are all morally consistent on this side here. Many Thanks
"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." - Someone.
James’s sole objective has been from oct 7th to say or do nothing that will lose him his job. I.e sensor all criticism of Isreal.
I could swear O'Brien condemned Corbyn for less, then again maybe I'm wrong. OMG, I think I might be getting gaslighted
He deals in facts and evidence. Claims that Prince William and Jeremy Corbyn are not intelligent. But oddly failed to demonstrate how he knows. So I don't know. Very slippery customer this guy.
Yes, he did. For months and months.
And? If I criticise Peter for shoplifting, am I not allowed to criticise Paul for embezzlement?
Would James O'Brien get kicked out of the labour party for this?
nnnnnnnnoo
Yes.
Starmer "I am a Zionist without qualification", he's dancing to his master's tuner, same as Biden who got $4 Million from Israel to buy him.
No because he's simply reporting the facts and asking for the listeners to share their opinions.
He should dump the Labour party himself or put in a challenge against Starmer. Might help make the party voteable.
What's happening is in no way "contrary to what Israel stands for"....
So true and so much suffering in store for ALL of us.
Right from the start of this latest disaster I wondered how on earth Israel’s behavior was going to help them live in peace with their neighbors. They seem to want to be continuously at war.
Sunak must be replaced or resign!
Another Word Salad from the master wordsmith O'Brien. Listening to him tie himself into a verbal Gordian Knot is worth the price of a ticket. It appears that Israel is not really concerned with the opinion of the world stage. They are a 'protected' entity at this point in time. This leads to the attitude of being above of it all. Their aims and goals are all that counts in their version of the world.
The question that James should explore is how does Britain and the US handle the loss of any sense of national moral integrity? Both countries are the largest providers of the material, monetary and political cover required to pursuer whatever one calls this action. We are as, if not more, complicit in this human disaster. We all have some serious blood on our national hands. The Arab/Persian countries that have turned a blind eye and deaf ear to this catastrophe are as guilty. There comes a time when financial and political gains must take a backseat to the actual cause of Humanity.
Damage to the cause of establishing an ethno-religious colonial state is irreparable.
Master class in gaslighting from James. We remember what you were saying a few months ago sir😂
thinks he is more clever than us. smug man.
And what he's been saying about Corbyn.
You're blaming the messenger because you don't like the message. Get a life.
@@forestsunset9617 Judging by your poor English grammar , he's definitely more intelligent then you.
@@Dark_Bandon you don't put a space before a comma by the the way.
Israel’s “right to defend itself” implies an immediate action to prevent impending harm.
Waiting two weeks to ensure a merciless and overwhelming response is the very definition of “revenge” defined as deliberate punishment for harm caused to you…
It was always going to end this way, even James, who I follow almost religiously, couldn’t see this initially ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think he could bud. But couldn’t say it as me and you saw it. And I follow him aswell.
You follow him religiously? 🤔
@@leedavis6000Would have lost his career? 🤔
"Right to defend" doesn't apply when the territory is occupied.
Occupied or not; attacking civilians is a terrorist act, but any retaliation simply does not fall under "right to defend".
It's in all our faces now, we cannot deny what we are seeing and hearing the crimes done to the Palestinians any longer but it's been going on for over several decades..
WHERE DO YOU STAND THIS TIME IN HUMAN DARK HOLOCAUSTS HISTORY. TWENTY FIRST CENTURY HOLOCAUST AIRED TO YOUR COMFY SITTING ROOMS. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE SAID ABOUT GERMANS CONCENTRATION CAMPS ?
WHY IS IT DIFFRENT?
🧠 WASHED FOR 8 DECADES .
It’s not Netenyahu
It’s the colonial project called Israel
The saying "From the River to the Sea" causes heckles to rise as an anti-semetic chant.
But I dimly remember reading somewhere, that in history the saying was first used by members of the Israeli Likud party to claim that the whole area should be designated as Israel.
That has been conveniently "forgotten".
Correct ... Netanyahu used to say it regularly ...
It's in Likud's Charter... it's Likud policy.
Correct. See the two blue lines on the flag.
No matter who replaces him from within Israel there will be no change as they are all the same.
That’s pretty much what Gantz said the US on his recent unofficial visit to
James O'Brien seems to have bought into the narrative that this conflict started on october 7th, and that nothing relevant happened before that date.
Please stop sending My TAKE MONEY TO ISREAL!!!
Im sending money to Gaza , children are innocent .
I guarantee, a “March for Israel” would be uninhabited.
For the majority of young people, the last few months is their initiation to the Middle East conflict…
Whose side would you take?
The under dog.
The international community has allowed Israel to build settlements for + 75 years. This is just a logical conclusion of that. Bravo.
The international community, no...the United States, yes. They vetoed all resolutions to make Israel comply with international law.
How does that work when they weren't in Gaza or the West Bank until 1967?
@@SandraKanferClarke o.k. 57 years... are you o.k. with this number now?
@@SandraKanferClarke No, they spread to Palestine well before 1947.
@@machsimillian14 Israel would not comply regardless of U. N. Resolutions.
Net is a monster.
The current conflicts are a long way from ending, this is the path humanity has chosen.
They went too far after the 1st war crime, James clearly thinks all those up until this point were "proportional" so not on the destruction of the first hospital but the 130th hospital is a bit much for him.
Israel has defied UN resolutions on the rights of Palestinians since 1948 supported by the western world. The first 10 years more or less understandable because of the Shoah. After that no more. The trauma's of the 2nd world war affect the attitude of the Israeli's. The trauma's of the Naqbah and the continuing harrasment, belittling and theft and destruction of property of the Palestinians affect the attitude of the Palestinians. The Israeli's have lost the moral highground long ago by rejecting the 2 states solution, building of the wall and theft of Palestinian land embracing Eretz Israel.
Who in the world manages hostage situation like this? So it was and it is not a hostage situation.
Since when does a psyopathic murderer have a "right to exist"?
"We are mad, not only individually, but nationally. We check manslaughter and isolated murders; but what of war and the much vaunted crime of slaughtering whole peoples?"
(Lucius Annaeus Seneca - the Younger, Roman statesman, philosopher)
"Only the grand scale and technocratic impersonality of the crimes conceived and directed by the ruling elite acting under cover of state authority distinguish them from garden variety killers."
(Darrell Hamamoto)
How about we go back 85 years ago and take it from there
How can we comment when our comments are deleted? We can all see what’s happening.
It is ridiculous. I spend ages making sure they are very carefully worded, inoffensive & redacted. It is important to me to say my piece and be able to express my bewilderment, upset and view, because it drives you crazy otherwise. But YT is in overdrive deleting perfectly legitimate comments over and over again. I know what triggers the YT algorithm, but there seems to be no rhyme or reason when trying to discus this particular subject.
@@-xirx- Thanks for that. They are my sentiments and emotions exactly. It has also happened to me. Censorship generally in the West, conforms to what the established order want you to believe and to hide the truth that it perceives as threatening the status quo. Keep punching!