Well tbf disliking isn't exactly hating so you can dislike something without hating it but obviously you can't hate something without disliking something aswell
I made a time stamp thing and hopefully no one else did because this took a really long time oh god. Characters roster: 2:10 Vehicles 5:18 Item chaos 10:50 Online 18:28 Scary Lakitu Restrictions 23:12 Lack of Single Player content 26:42 Battle mode 28:12 Self promotion and advertisements 31:33 Skill ceiling 34:55 Conclusion 41:27
I think the only thing I really disagree the point about the advertisements. Fun fact, the last F-zero game released was in 2004. I don't think Nintendo was advertising a 10+ year old game. The only true advertisements were the Mercedes and as someone else in this comment section has said, "Nobody's bought a Mercedes just because it was in Mario kart".
The strategy was never to get someone to buy something solely for being in the game. The inclusion is supposed to allow the product to surface more, given it’s on a highly populated game, so that means more people know about it. And you can see why it helps in terms of advertising
I think its more the other way around. Rather than trying to get Mario Kart fans to buy F-Zero, they're carrot-on-a-stick playing the F-Zero fans that have been long since deprived of a new game.
Oh wow! This Link guy seems cool! I’m gonna buy his game! Almost everyone knows what Zelda is so it’s not really an advertisement but it’s more like a reference to the character. I never wanted to play Animal Crossing because of them being in Mariokart and I am definitely not interested in Splatoon
@@seekingsolutions7078 yeah I just noticed that, I really do love f zero and wished it were advertised but some of the public sadly wouldn't have noticed
@@yooniverse1575 but they are so cool... I mean,even if no one knows anymore,just releasing another game with that level of adrenaline and visual amazement I bet people would get interested regardless
The Blue Shell traveling on the ground is a decision I actually approve of. If you are at the tail of the pack, and got a blue shell in previous games, it would mess with the people at the front, but basically do nothing to help *you.* It feels like a waste of an item. But in MK8, getting a Blue Shell has the chance to help you because it might hit the people along its path. So it's almost like a mini lightning bolt.
Ok but the WHOLE idea of the blue shell is that it *only* targets 1st place. As soon as you let it hit others then it's not even the blue shell anymore.
iiirrrooony but seriously, nintendo is obviously trying to kill any competitive scene with their games, I don't understand it. Patching bugs that only effect speedrunners and players interested in high level competition is really dumb. they're putting in extra work to their already finished game just to ensure their game doesn't last as long on the market.
@@GameGuy137 bugs definitely do not always take stuff away from the game, stuff like rocket jumping in tf2 and ultra shortcuts in mkwii opens up possibilities for high end things to be discovered and the workings of the game engine to be better understood, as well as create entirely new skills within the game
I actually prefer the blue shell travelling along the ground. Normally, the people who get the item are around 7th to 5th place, meaning the items completely useless to them unless their right next to first place, which is highly unlikely. Since it can hit others racers as well in Mario kart 8, the person with the blue shell can actually benefit from it.
I respect your opinion and you make some good points, what I’m about to say is completely *my* opinion. To be honest, that’s what made blue shells into *blue shells* . In Mkwii, you cannot escape a blue shell unless you get really lucky with a boost panel or mushroom, blue shells made mkwii exciting and was made so that the person in 1st place isn’t always in the lead and so that other people can have a chance. But with mk8, blue shells can be useless and any place can get hit by a blue shell. Again, this is only my opinion
@@ianfian7321 so it's not useless you get a warning so you can have the skills to dodge it and it is unlikely it would hit everyone and the person in first needs to still get lucky with items and boost. It is no where close to useless
Honestly, the irony of defending the item balance in MKWii but showing how he got absolutely blasted at 16:05 (while talking about item balance btw) and going from 1st to 11th right before the finish line. This kind of thing can happen across all Mario Kart titles but Mario Kart Wii is literally infamous for its extreme AI rubber-banding via item spamming.
@@KindraSmash and? Luck track or not, when he was defending the item balance in MKWii, he got "MarioKarted" in the game where it happened so much that the term was created.
I only got to play Mario Kart Wii recently, but played other Mario Kart games like DS, GBA, 64, SNES and 7. So i began with the Cups and everything normal so far then somedays ago i played the multiplayer mode with my mother, and christ the rubber banding is something else, i feel like sometimes is more loke playing Mario Party and depending on your luck for staying 1st place than your real abilities at the game.
Since everyone is more competitive in MkWii it’s not the same as getting item spammed in Mk8 or deluxe because in MkWii although it’s still possible for things like this to happen, it’s not as easy as just mindlessly spamming the items you receive. You can clearly see the people trying to keep the tc to get a higher position, the shock being played at the last possible moments in an attempt to gain some time for the player who used it, even someone who might have predicted the shock and used a star, as well as treading through the off-road to attain a higher position. In Mk8 or deluxe you can just spam the items mindlessly most of the time especially when you’re in further positions and not have to have a grasp on the course or game to get a higher position.
Creepy: "If i want to play mushroom gorge 11 times in a row just allow it." Also creepy: *Has a mental breakdown when it gets picked four times in a row in one of his videos.*
Yeah but that's the beauty of freedom of choice and those who truly support it. The idea is "I may disagree with your idea but I will fight to support your right to have said idea". That's kinda what this video is saying in a nutshell, MK8 isn't bad for different mechanics, it's because many of it's mechanics were created with the purpose of minimizing a players options and generalizing the gameplay as a whole. Many of it's mechanics exist solely for taking away the players freedom of choice and that makes it a shitty game.
@@disturbeddemons1 You just lost all credibility when you said mario kart 8 is a shitty game. Though i prefer mkwii, 8 is still objectively a very good game, even with its unnecessary or controversial limitations.
Did this dude really say Rob can be excused because he's is dead but the fzero tracks count as advertisement. Anyway the fzero tracks are ironically the best tracks in Mario kart.
I think he can also be excused for the virtue of being the chosen one. Nintendo had a whole dd roster to choose from but they chose rob instead of king boo or diddy kong or Petey pirhana. In Mario kart 8 it just feels like the inclusion of these characters was to just fill up the roster to be more than Mario kart Wii.
Obviously you didn’t disagree with this point but I wanted to talk about it: I think the auto-accelerator and turn assistant is a really really really good addition to MK8D. While I of course don’t use it myself, it lets disabled, elderly, and very young children to enjoy MarioKart more. I’ve actually played with some very young kids at family gatherings, and they get frustrated when they cant do the things I can in the game. With the extra help, though, they get so much more fun out of it. :)
i actually keep the auto accelerator on solely because my thumb hurts after holding it down for so long. I get so caught up in the game that ill press down harder on the button thinking it'll go faster, which it won't, but it's subconscious. years of playing MK7 has left my thumb in states of pain, so while it's just a personal issue on my part, I keep it on so I won't break the button of the joycon or something. so I absolutely agree with your statement. its an option for the player; I don't understand why it's such an upsetting topic
besides, it's not even like you are forced to have auto-accelerate on. it's a personal choice, and other having it on doesn't deteriorate the quality of the game as a whole
SaraBLQ I agree with you! I have alot of siblings many of which are much younger than me. Smart steering makes it alot easier for them, while it doesn't effect me at all. Now that they're getting more comfortable with the controls some of them aren't using it any more, but it helped them get a feel for the game without becoming to frustrated.
@@ntwrk56 I get what you're trying to say, but I've seen overrated used so much that it feels like the popular thing to use when you are trying to say your subjective opinion on media is more valid then someone else's subjective opinion on media. For example, some people say that the Megadeth album 'Rust In Piece' Is overrated. Overrated in that case implies that they are saying a majority of the songs on the album are bad. Now you can have that opinion, but they are mostly saying that because they prefer the album 'Peace Sells, But Who's Buying?', and while Rust In Peace is a more popular album, Peace Sells is still a popular album. A lot of them also claim that Peace Sells is a very fast album, but compared to RIP, it is mostly mid-paced. I realize you probably have no idea what I'm talking about, but go listen to the album Rust In Peace, not the 2004 remaster, but the original Rust In Peace. It is a great technical thrash metal album.
DK Mountain is an easy track. Just take that path skip at the end of the track before the bridge and you'll be 30 seconds ahead from Mirror 150cc CPU. Trust me.
@@jackrocks8350 oh ok. I haven't played mk8 a lot especially not racing, I'm more of a time trial guy. Was just trying to clear up what creepy was tryna say
“Mario Kart 8 cut a lot of the characters people liked in Mario Kart Wii.” I get it. We were all looking forward to playing as Birdo in MK8 and they just stole that dream from us.
The Cubing Beans Yea, it was just sarcasm. I agree with his thoughts on the Wii Roster being so much more well rounded in its characters with no metal variants, power up versions like Tanooki Mario and Cat Peach, and so on.
I feel like people only started caring about Funky Kong once he became meta in MKWii. He was only a minor DK character beforehand, but oooh now everyone loves him because he got blessed with a +4 speed stat Also Ik your comment was sarcastic but I've been unironically longing for Birdo to be in MK8 since the first ever hint of potential DLC lol
I think this video would have benefited from being more heavily scripted and edited. There was a lot of rambling and holding on a small topic for too long.
I think it's just a case where you have very different priorities than the developers. Mario Kart Wii is like the Melee of mario kart, a game that became accidentally really good for advanced players, even thought Nintendo's target audience is casual players. I love Mario Kart 8 much more than Wii, because when I play Mario Kart, I just want to have some casual fun with my friends. I love Mario Kart 8 because of the variety of tracks, beautiful graphics, and fact that the skill ceiling is so low. What's a negative for you is a positive to me. I don't want to play Mario Kart to "get good". I want to play it casually, not having to think as much. I have other games I play that care about strategy and skill. It's the kind of thing where Mario Kart Wii and Mario Kart 8 cater to very different players.
I disagree. I am a mostly casual player, I don't really play MK to "get good" (Even though I did get good), I play for fun, and I still think MKW is a much better game than MK8. MK8 is a game where you literally can't improve, 1 week playing and you're pretty much as good as you can be, since there are no mechanics. Outside drifting is the easiest thing ever, as opposed to the high risk high reward gameplay inside drift brings, the glider thing is pointless as everyone just straight up holds downwards as soon as you get on that shit, the luck factor was greatly increased, there are way less shortcuts on tracks, they prioritised flashy over functional (the awkward horizontal wheel bumping thing comes to mind), many tracks are boring or weird (there are some tracks that I truly consider as good as the average MKW track, but they usually get spoiled by the amount of glider ramps, underwater sections, wallrunning sections and other stuff like that), I mean in MKW there isn't a single track I dislike (except maybe Wario's Gold Mine) but in 8 I hate half of them (Electrodome is DISGUSTING). I could go on and on but I think I made my point. Just because there is a lot of room for improvement in MKW it doesn't mean you can't enjoy it casually.
The thing is you can have both. Look at Minecraft, for example. You can simply run a farm with 2 pigs and feed them and build a couple of cool things or you can create the most insane stuff a human mind can imagine. The idea that MK8 being a game just for casual players is in any way good is objectively wrong. You gotta be able to get both. In MKW, you have the online, which is undeniably for advanced players (especially nowadays) and the offline which is just too easy. Make an offline that's just a bit harder and you got both covered.
100% this. Switching from MKDS to MKW felt jaring. Same with MKW to MK7. Almost all games feel completely different and I'd argue that's a good thing. You'll always suck at first, but learning these games all over again in a different way feels more satisfying. Now which play style you prefer is a different question but that's the beauty of that series.
@Nargacuga Wyvern So you're saying everyone that plays the game is shit? Just because you know a few shortcuts and you're playing funky kong-flame runner doesn't mean you're just automatically win a mogi. You still have to practice lines and know how to use items properly. Also, most of the shortcuts in this game are not easy. Trust me, they take practice.
Section one: “too many clone characters, its basically only four types of characters” Section two: “the vehicles are too similar. They should make the characters cosmetic only, maybe like three or four classes of characters”
Too be fair, he wasn’t talking about stats when he mentioned clone characters, he was talking about how there are multiple of the same character in the roster (for example, MK8 has 4 Peaches)
@@Junya01 Nothing is wrong with a kart game....it's just both crazy and weird even now to see it become so competitive after all these years suddenly...with a fox equivalent too being funky kong
33:08 f-zero and excitebike are two dead series which haven't had a new entry in over a decade. So what the hell are they supposedly advertising by having tracks from those games ? I'd say it's more to celebrate racing games from Nintendo's history which aren't likely to ever get another entry
@@im_nottelling_my_name_8832 mario kart was just supposed to be a nintendo racing game that was easier to play than f-zero and more relevant than their other racing games nintendo calling back to their other racing games makes a ton of sense because they essentially made mario kart to be an alternative to them, but then the other franchises became dormant
He was absolutely grasping at straws with this take, especially when he went "But I'm ok with R.O.B in MKDS because... because yes". Just say you dislike crossovers and leave it at that. The whole "crossovers bad" bit was the only bad part of an otherwise good argument.
I definitely agree that more Mario kart ds and dd stuff could’ve been thrown in for comparison, but what can you expect from someone whose played countless hours of Mario kart Wii and spared hours of the other titles. It makes sense why he made so many comparisons to Wii.
@AdvanceGaming But if he chooses SNES rainbow road and dry dry desert or whatever gets chosen instead? Well tough luck. That’s where the hypocrisy lies.
@AdvanceGaming sorry I just woke up I’m just as confused reading that too. What I was saying is that he’s telling others who don’t want to play the same track over and over “tough luck”, but the same exact statement could be used against him for his complaint about Dry Dry Desert being chosen instead of SNES Rainbow Road, or even most of the other points he makes in this video. It’s a dumb statement that takes a lot of strength away from the rest of his points, some of which are equally bad takes.
MK8 has a much higher luck level because the item system is very unbalanced and the controls are very easy to learn. MKWii has a chaotic item system, but te controls are really competitive. So in MK8 litteraly everyone can win, while in MKWii you need more skill to win because of the controls and shortcuts.
Idk why you made a video about how much you hate MK8/D 45 mins. It would’ve been better if it were 20 minutes and you actually had a bit more of a script. I’m not talking about editing or anything like that, it’s just that you were kinda all over the place at times.
I think you’ve missed the mark with a lot of this. I agree wii is the superior game but complaining about auto acceleration? Really? That’s a great feature. Anyone who’s played with young children or elderly knows how great it is? It’s just extra. You’re not forced to use it. Also you’ve complained about characters from other games but like... funky Kong isn’t a Mario character 😂 also it’s just extra, it’s nothing to complain about? Like no ones forcing you to play as link? No ones buying a Mercedes because it was in Mario kart (that was free anyway)
i work with special needs individuals and when i was in high school i would bring my switch to school and let all the homies in the special ed room play mk8d with one another on the big class monitor and it definitely wouldn’t have worked out without auto acceleration and smart steering
Mario kart 8 had freakin dlc? Uhh WHAT!? Trash feature. Wii didn’t have dlc and 8 did so obviously I have to complain about it. Who wants extra content for a game that could use some extra content? Laaaaaame How’d I do? That was my impression of him
Green shells don't actually target you in 8, this has been tested and pretty conclusively proven, but the problem is that for some reason when they're moving, their hitboxes interpolate (basically stay active where the shell just was for a few frames after the shell has already moved) a massive amount, which means that when a shell is bouncing back and forth, even if it misses you it can still count as a hit.
@@Nc3three yeah and how irrationally angry he is getting is not making me want to keep the video playing, if he had constructed his thoughts better and came off more level headed i might have a bit more respect
For real he’s complaining about characters and when I see the MK8 and the Mario kart wii roster the only difference I see is funky Kong diddy Kong and birdo and there’s a lot more other things
@@lolmaster6476 To be fair, Wii's roster has characters that feel important. 8's roster just has a bunch of filler characters. Need I remind you Pink Gd Peach?
@@Dragular I’ll give you that but he’s making such a big deal of 3 characters missing. I feel like it would make sense to add the characters that have a specific map like link and inkling
@@lolmaster6476 That's a good point, but I think he made a big deal because characters like Funky Kong and Birdo were great and iconic additions and they were replaced with a bunch of filler characters. But, that's just my guess.
tbh, the Animal Crossing track was named that way to be a reference to the 'Animal Crossing' Street Shields that warn you that... animals could be crossing the street.
Silo hawk said that any variety in battle maps is important. Creepy produce says that too much variety is overwhelming. I think the point creepy produce was trying to get at was that there could’ve been a happy medium like with twilight house, or with honey hive, or block fort, but instead we got really gimmicky battle maps. That’s why everyone complains about thwomp desert and chain chomp wheel. They’re just too gimmicky to have any strategy involved.
@@fortunemuderhwa9318 let’s see, anti gravity, twisting and winding roads, ramps everywhere. Even the most basic track, SNES battle course 1 was ruined from the addition of glider ramps.
I like the part where you complained about item chaos in MK8 while onscreen you're getting assaulted by Blooper, Lightning, and more all at the same time
I also like the part where he complained about more Peach clones than just Pink Gold Peach. But crossover aspects are always a must, just as long as they make sense!
You're complaining about the "self promo" with the extra characters, but what I think they're trying to do is give some of the fans who want characters outside of the Mario franchise in the game, like how many people want something along the lines of a "Super Smash Kart" where they can play as so many beloved characters from more than one franchise (but I don't think it was a good idea to prioritize these characters over the classics like Diddy Kong or Funky Kong and adding Isabelle before Captian Falcon is a little odd to me). Having an Animal Crossing course is pretty questionable but having Hyrule Circuit and F-Zero tracks are awesome and a step in the right direction for this series Also, in terms of advertising with the Mario Kart 8 Wii U DLC, F-Zero can't be considered advertising because the series is dead in the ground (R.I.P., and smash does not count), Legend of Zelda hadn't gotten a new console title in years at that point and Animal Crossing was exclusively handheld at the time (don't you dare bring up Amiibo Festival). The Inklings are promo (which is deluxe and not the Wii U version), but it's a new IP, which really isn't a good excuse but is still one I have to say Mario Kart Wii is the Melee of Mario Kart- it has a high skill celing and it's tech skills allows it to become more competitive but lacks the fun in casual that the new titles have (casual Melee is pretty lame in comparison to newer games in the series after all). I would give Mario Kart 8 the title of "Brawl of the Mario Kart Series"- best as casual and the best of casual, but there is still skill to be had (like how Brawl Meta Knight has some crazy tech skill). Saying the title is overrated is fair, but both titles do something right and something wrong. A casual will get wrecked in Mario Kart Wii online but might do fine in Mario Kart 8 online, and that's fine. Both games exist for the different players. When you were talking about Nintendo making games with less depth, it's not that they wan't people to move on to new titles, its that at the end of the day, they're a business, and they almost always try to appeal to the casual crowd- the biggest crowd. Attempting to shut down the Melee tournament was a bad move on their part and is unjustified (and they could have just made a Melee port for a console by now), but the Wii U era was a confusing time where they made casual games but only Hardcore Nintendo fans got the Wii U, and had a hard time. People jumping ship to Melee with a new Smash game on the horizon wasn't good for Nintendo's business with them already floundering and they made a rash decision that gave them bad press. Nintendo doesn't patch glitches because they hate fun, its because glitches are bad PR I can't see you hating Mario Kart 8 because of all this, but I can understand if you dislike it or are very annoyed of hearing people saying it's better than Mario Kart Wii. As a fan of both (MK Wii competitive and MK 8 casually), I like almost everything about MK Wii but have to hand it to MK 8 for amazing course designs, but not much else. MK Wii is the competitive King while MK 8 will be the fun casual chaos the series is often known for and cited to be *I really doubt anyone read this whole thing*
just a quick nuance, but animal crossing city folk was on the wii, and the original animal crossing was on the gamecube, so it wasn’t strictly on handheld.
I think when making a compelling argument, you should bring reasoning that no one can really deny. Even a fanboy of the game that thinks logically should be able to agree with you. Like how you said the roster isn't amazing, I agree. It feels more like filler just for the sake of having a big number on the back of the cover. But, a lot of this video feels like you saying "I just don't like it" or "I prefer MKWii" which is completely understandable, but the title makes your points seem weak and subjective, instead of a solid objective point. Had it been "Why I don't like Mario Kart 8" then I wouldn't have an issue, but outright saying the game is overrated with subjective points isn't great. Especially when at 19:42 you say "tough luck" to prove your point. With that logic, this video shouldn't even exist because you can just say "tough luck" to yourself and stop the entire production of the video. Now, this isn't meant to be hate, rather criticism. I want to be able to agree with you, I want solid points that are undeniable, but I can't with the amount of subjectivity in it.
I agree with you, I prefer the Mario Kart 8 because is much more balance, making it fun for every one. Also, I like that they added non-Mario characters
13:54 I do agree where Creepy's coming from when he says that the blue shell hitting everyone along the way to the person in first place kind of defeats the purpose, but I gotta say I kinda like it that way. In Mario Kart Wii, if you're in last place (or any other place that's at least 8th or lower,) and you have a blue shell, the shell flies up when thrown and soars over everybody until it hits the person in 1st, which is nice, but on the other hand, in Mario Kart 7 or 8, if you're in a bad place and you have a blue shell, hitting other people along the way is a bit better because not only it's going to get the person in first, but it's also slowing everyone else down, so that helps you a bit more. But don't get me wrong when i'm trying to get out the way of an incoming blue shell in MK7 and i can't dodge it it's annoying.
Super Saiyan Weegee blue shells aren’t meant to help you but to make the race more interesting. And you can just use the shell and get the next item box and be fine
"This is genuinely some of worst argumentation I've heard in a long time" is what I would say if this was about you not just expressing your opinion but actually stating that one is better than the other. You're allowed to think what you want, and even though I personally disagree, there are still points you mentioned that I vibe with on a personal preference level.
I don't think Fire hopping can be compared to snaking imo, fire hopping feels one dimensional and shallow in comparison. Like you just spam hop for a slight speed boost and that's about it. Snaking on the other hand requires genuine practice and some players are/were better at snaking than the others, and the difficulty of snaking changed a lot depending on the track you were playing. It felt like the Mario kart of wavedashing.
Fire hopping is one of those micro plays you can do to get a small advantage over other players. It’s not cheap, it’s just a good way to gain time in extremely small increments. I think tech that was high skill in Mario kart 8 was demon sliding, where you power slide in a “snaking” like way to preserve speed since power sliding is meant to preserve your speed when you do it. But I do agree with you that snaking is a high skill play that is really hard to optimize.
Counter argument: In the footage of MK Wii, everyone is using a mach bike or flame runner. With the reduced stat variety, it lets players get creative with their vehicles without punishing them. It doesn't force players to stick to one vehicle.
You're not being creative cause it doesn't make any difference whatsoever. You could agree with friends to all play in the Wario Bike and that causes some differences. A 9k+ VR player can create a new license and compete in WWs with the Prowler as a challenge to see how far they can go. The idea that having something that looks different but does the same is creative is just dumb
@@doraemon402 then what's the issue? Either everyone has 1 bike that does the same thing or everyone has a variety of bikes and karts that all do the same thing. How is having more choice in your kart a bad thing
@@exetone the footage is (I'm assuming) emulated online competitive. Of course everyone's gonna use a a bike. IMO the kart selection should be like Mkds, every character has two specific karts for them, plus a "standard" kart and eventually you can unlock any car for any character.
@Jack Drill not all vehicles are the same in MK8 and as for the bike thing well I would say if you wanna stand a chance you gotta a choose bike still anyways.
@Luis Pena i-frames are invincibility frames, the amount of frames after getting hit by an item that you cannot get hit by another. MKWii has some of the lowest in the entire franchise
It's not realy a glitch, it's because the host console (switch online is p2p btw) haven't responded in a certain amount of time. When getting an item box, your console send to the host that you get one box, then the host will generate the item and send the response which is the item. When the host do not respond your console will just give you 2 coins and that's it ( this is why the roulette is long when you get 2 coins)
To be fair you got a point because it’s obvious Nintendo want the people to play their game they want you to play it so that’s why I think they over corrected lakitu
Derek Ashel I like unintended stuff too but for the developers it’s almost like a spit in the face in a way no matter how much people like it, and since Nintendo is a multi billion dollar company you bet they’re gonna let less shit slide when it comes to testing
CP makes a lot of valid points. He's mostly fair and reasonable. He doesn't throw around any pointless nasty words. But one thing I noted was that he never seemed to address the fact that there are indeed Casual players. Mario Kart is a party game in root, not a completive game. Is has competitive because otherwise, the game is useless. But look at old games, like Double Dash (my fav). No online. It's pure party, and it's fun. Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and Mario Party (duh lol) are party games to enjoy with friends, and they get online verses mode to appeal to players that may not have friends, or just want to do something harder than single player. Because at the end of the day, I will admit. Single player is awful to play on repeat. There's no changing that.
good point, but casual Mario Kart Wii is just as fun, if not more fun than MK8 in my opinion. The wifi competitiveness doesn’t harm the fun of casual couch games with friends
@@sophiedeergirl it has LAB to fulfill it's role as a party game. Otherwise, it would only be single player. LAN requires all participants are going through the same device, in a very small range. Compared to online play, which spans at least the country, LAN is just a small social event.
Nowadays I admit that the mkwii community is mostly made of competitive players and for most people that may be annoying but I played both with friends and When a guy who knows nothing about the game wins because the game gave him 6 red shells and you got a coin from the box...GL having fun
CreepyProduce: Makes good argument Mk fanboys: Complain about said argument and don't even try to argue against what he said. Face it he is right mk8 is overrated and is one of the worse kart racers.
@@DeVoidLij No it isn't, you didn't watch it did you? He argued why mk8 wasnt liked much by mk wii players because of how bad the mechanics were, the character roster being bland and how its so forced casual that it makes no room for a skill ceiling of competitive play, that is the argument he made and the only thing you all respond with is well I prefer the bad character roster, the coin item, the forced casual play and thats fine if you do, it doesnt make it better than mk wii for people who want to test their skills
@@vulgrim909 One of the worse kart racers might be pushing it a little. It’s definitely not perfect, but not one the worse kart racers. Calling MK8 one of the worse kart racers is essitenally putting it next to Garfield Kart and Ryan’s Race
I know I'm 5 days late, but He is saying; There is no diversity and they all feel the same, Then straight up saying that It doesn't matter if everyone plays the same vehicle in Mario I'm sensing a small amount of Bias here. :/
You didn't listen to the whole argument. He's not saying that Wii is better just cause 8 has similar viechiles, he's saying that it doesn't improve anything from before and that having multiple viechiles that do the same thing is redundant.
In MKW people play the same vehicle by choice, but there are plenty of options. I myself am a Magikruiser/Bullet Bike main. I prefer to have more diversity in options, even if only 1/4 of them are viable, than having literally only 1 option since everything is pretty much the same.
@@RAAAAAHHHHHHH You're just a crybaby. I can assure you MK8DX will die before MKW does. And what's described in this video are the reasons why. And, since you say two thirds of what's been said is wrong, please give examples. You know, to have some credibility.
1: " Battle mode didn't try hard enough"- Fair, if not an understatement. "Deluxe's Battle mode is too much"- Activly wrong, indicative of someone who doesn't know what they want with a battle mode. The control point about battle mode is the only real problem with the mode. The maps force you to think instead of being "Durr, giant square" or "Durr, giant circle." Even the basic ∞ shape adds more difficulty than 70% of all the previous BM Maps. Each maps is also a great representative of it's theme. From the Splatoon maps being FPS-esk to the Dessert maps being crumpling cakes. 2: The point on crossover characters is also wrong, as people want all sorts of non-Mario characters in the game. From Pacman to Captain Falcon, adding them would be as exciting as any smash announcement. And you wanting basically only Mario characters, would be nothing but clone characters besides the DK crew, as they (not including DK himself) aren't in the Mario universe. That would mean no Funky Kong, no Diddy, no King K, etcetera. They're all guest characters from Donkey Kong's split universe. It would also leave you with tons of Toad and Koopa clones if they did only do Mario characters. It would eliminate the need for Baby characters, but would still leave very few Heavy-weight characters. It would also over inflate the Light-weight and Medium-weight rosters. The roster would be better if it had a hard limit of mainstays (say, 10 for example), replace the baby's with more NPC characters, and have a MAX of 5 crossover characters at launch with 5 more slots for future promotional characters or unlockable/voted clones/crossovers. 3: The Karts and Bikes aren't "Basically the same." They can be MADE that way, but I guarantee that you won't get a consistent place with the full Link get-up (Link, Master Bike, and Kite). There's no way you could even compete with the highest skilled players in 8 with what little you know about the game fundamentally, and refuse to put in the time to really understand. There's a ton of neat tec under the surface. 4: If you hate 8/Deluxe, then you'd loath the Mobile game as literally everything is exactly the same. I've been bumped by BABY characters ad a Heavy-weight online. And it's notorious for all the clone characters with their own special abilities.
I'll be honest: People probably just want non-Mario characters in Mario Kart Because they want that series to have some form of racing game. Even though I'm not much of a fan of Animal Crossing, I do think it could stand to have its series of spin-off games(Racing, party, sports, etc) because it has that much of a diverse cast. Same with F-Zero, the fans just want another actual F-Zero game, so of course they'll latch to any fragmentation of their beloved series. As much as I want to have hope in that dream, I do honestly believe Nintendo would rather drain their wallets dry than answer their demands.
@@uberlord983 there's no real reason for Nintendo to be making racing games for all these little franchises that want one, it just won't be nearly as successful as Mario Kart
Great argument, but I disagree with the second point. It’s not fair to compare adding a character to smash as it is a character to Mario kart, cause smash isn’t a Mario game whereas Mario kart is. I’m with creepy with the argument that only characters in the Mario universe would be in Mario kart, cause it looks weird and wrong seeing link race with Mario. Just because they’re owned by the same company doesn’t mean they should cross over for the sake of it. Zelda and Mario are such different genres, along with animal crossing, so consequently they don’t have a rightful place in a Mario game in my opinion. I came to Mario kart for Mario not Isabel. I understand if people disagree but I don’t Mario kart to become Nintendo all starts racers, cause it isn’t that. It’s Mario Kart
@@matthaeus5373 That's fair, but that would still leave out characters like Funky Kong as he himself doesn't exist in the greater Mario universe. Limiting it only to Mario characters is far too limiting in terms of game design.
Alright, I understand where you're coming from and humbly respect your opinion. However I'm one who really loves Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and at least want to express why I disagree with some of the points you've made. This isn't factual or anything and I don't have any resentment against you. It's just me giving my own thoughts on things. 1. Characters - I mostly agree with you here, but clones aren't 100% wrong. For games like Mario Tennis Aces and, as mentioned, Mario Kart Wii there's still a small amount of clones. While MK8 overdid it with clones, I'm honestly fine with Dry Bowser & Metal Mario as they have some source of origin and also have unique animations and voices alongside stats. 2. Vehicles - Um. . .what? This is just flat-out hypocrisy. You did say Quality over Quantity, right? Mario Kart 8 still can have the player heavily alter the stats of their vehicle, but just not the abilities minus inside drifting for certain bikes. Mario Kart Wii, aside from the ability to wheelie for bikes only, is exactly alike Mario Kart 8. The differences are all stat based and even then only a few are really viable. The most popular picks are barely different except if they have inside drifting or not. Also something weird is that, despite you mentioning that characters should be cosmetic (which I agree with), then why are karts locked to weight classes of the characters? What if you wanted Mario to ride the Flame Runner or King Boo to ride in the Quacker? You can't do that, can you? It's an issue in Double Dash too but in that game the karts are at least more balanced. When things aren't balanced, you only see one or two vehicles anyways and even then the only viable choices barely have any differences anyways, so where's the ''diversity''? Also you severely undermine the stat customization in Mario Kart 8 as it's quite flexible and ISN'T ruined in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. In fact it's improved as it fixed a broken oversight in the original where half stats were ignored entirely (for example, if you had 4.5 speed then MK8 considers it 4 speed while MK8D sees it as 4.5 speed). Also bikes still have inside drifting in MK8...and wheelies are honestly uncomfortable as the player needs to awkwardly press the d pad which is literally on the other side of the controller. 3. Items - Yeah, coins suck and same for only having one item slot. Other points tho. . .yikes. First off, items in Mario Kart Wii suffer from Sandbagging. 8 and 8 Deluxe improved the item system as it's distance based and not based on placement. So if you're right behind everyone else but are in last then a Bullet Bill or Shock is yours. You actually have to be BEHIND in Mario Kart 8 to get more powerful items. Also funny that you say that items are pure chaos in 8 when you're bloody playing Wii. Have you seen the item rates?! Multiple Blue Shells comes out per race and only target first place. Tell me, what advantage does the person who gets a Blue Shell have? At least in 8 it travelling along the ground can help it's user hit some players. Green Shells are just a little bigger in 8 too and don't home in so that's a lie. If anything they're more risky as it's easier to hit yourself. Red Shells also aren't AS common due to the distance based system and there's at least more items like the Boomerang and Super Horn that can deal with them. How can you even claim that you can use items for strategy if, at any random time, a POW Block can hit followed by a shock and a thousand more items. Wii is way more chaotic than 8 and the only reason why Online players can counteract being comboed for days is to abuse the bike's brokenness and boost while in place (which also makes acceleration useless). Even then that can't prevent the amount of knockback that's present and how slow Lakitu is! And the Thunder Cloud ''adding tension''? Technically the coin can do that too depending on the situation. Still hate them tho. 4. Online - I can't hate your opinion on the tracks even if Mario Kart 8 has a bunch of great tracks. Having the same tracks being picked over and over again is even an issue IN YOUR VIDEO, but Mario Kart 8 at least has variety and, compared to the sheer amount of crappy retro tracks in Wii, the map selection is much superior. If you have to resort to telling the player to ''suck it up'' when the same track is picked once again, they're gonna be quitting the game. And it's not even just one track either. Generally the community orbits a few select tracks (with a tiny bit of outliers) and that's all you're playing forever. It's that bad IMO. Also VR isn't rubber banded in 8 where you gain less and lose more if you're good at the game? And since Wii is much more rubbish in luck, it's VR is much worse. MK8's VR still represents skill quite a lot and I still get consistent wins and my VR goes up normally. And for Ultra Shortcuts? They utterly break the game and is why modern servers ban these shortcuts. People who just want to play Mario Kart normally shouldn't be forced to learn ultra shortcuts just to stand a chance and even then they're still skipping most of the track DESIGNED TO BE RACED ON. What if people like playing the game and want to stay on the road? Well you can't because Ultra Shortcuts are the only chance you have at winning. At least 64 doesn't have Online but even there there's a Glitchless category. Not like you can force that in Wii aside from banning certain shortcuts. 5. Content - Wii did have some cool challenges, but why in the world were they limited to a set period of time?! That and they require Online just to play them. What if you wanna revisit all the missions in Wii? What are you gonna do then? You can't because Nintendo said ''screw you'' and closed them forever. 8 definitely should have had more single player content, I won't deny that, but you severely underplay Mario Kart Wii's horrible treatment of it's Single Player Content. Also saying that Mario Kart 8 has no creativity...HAVE YOU SEEN THE THINGS ADDED TO THIS GAME AND THE TRACKS THEMSELVES?! 6. Battle Mode - Yeah, I won't defend 8's Battle Mode. But 8 Deluxe being ''gimmicky''? Wii is much more Gimmicky! Tracks like Delfino Pier and Block Plaza are much more gimmicky than any of Deluxe's maps. Yeah, the number is smaller but quality over quantity. Sweet Sweet Kingdom, does that even have any gimmicks? Battle Course 1 only had one added ramp and that's a large issue? If anything it makes it more interesting and, since ''red shells follow you so much'', can you really get out of danger's way? 7. Self Promotion - It's a crossover and mainly bonuses. There's so much effort put into them and they're fun, so what's the problem? That and Link was using his Skyward Sword design, which wasn't even on the Wii U so how is that self-promotion? The inclusion of Urchin Underpass is also not marketing in any way. It could have been a map from Splatoon 2 as it's out and still relevant, but instead it's a Splatoon 1 map that was included as a bonus. Compared to ROB who took up 1/15 of DS' roster, the crossover characters don't take up as much space and provide more content that's, you know, good. If Nintendo wanted to self-promote then they would have replaced the advertisements on the tracks with ones relevant to them. But no, instead it's cute in-universe products that don't exist IRL, fleshing out the universe of the Super Mario franchise. Tho the Mercedes Benz update is certainly asking for money, it's free. Just a harmless inclusion added; nothing wrong with that. 8. Other Things - Just some random stuff. First off snaking sucks as it's just very uncomfortable to input over and over again. And while it has a competitive community, it's not a fighting game. It's not on the same level as Melee. Isn't it a stretch to compare Wii to Melee, especially with all the horrible item balancing and how it's ''so item dependant''? 8 Deluxe doesn't try to shut off the competitive community as the tracks do have multiple optimisations in them and, not to mention actually have effort put into the retro tracks and each track has their own music. Phew...sorry if I was way too harsh here; it's only my opinion, but there's just some things I don't quite get with your points in the video. But hey, what do I know? Also it's quite rude to diss Mario Kart's future as, despite Tour being a greedy cashgrab, the main console future is still bright and it's still what it's meant to be after all these years. Odd that you didn't address anything else about Wii's flaws such as the stupidly strict Ranking system for Grand Prixs and how you have to do perfect to unlock DAISY (a staple Mario character mind you) and Dry Bowser alongside some of the other karts and bikes. Dear lord. . .I think I'm done typing in nonsense. It's just my opinion and I likely made many stupid mistakes people are gonna reply to correct me on. We ain't all flawless lad. Just wanted to get out my thoughts.
I read your entire comment and I 100% agree with you. Honestly this video just seems to me that’s hes mad that the bugs, glitches, and exploits from Wii aren’t in 8 just for the sake of competitive. Wii is overrated in my opinion and most people like it just for nostalgia. It’s a buggy game and 8 is way better than it but I just don’t understand why people wanna have bugs in their game. It’s quite hypocritical because when it happens with other games people complain and get mad for there being bugs.
I knew the video is a bit off, but I didn’t know what to say. I feel like 8 is slept upon by the community, which prefers 64, DD, Wii, somewhat SMK, and Tour of all things. Perhaps not as slept as DS, 7, and GBA, but if a mobile game has more steam, then you know the game is slept.
A Mario kart wii player complains about item balancing on Mario kart 8, even thought Mario kart wii is considered one of the most unbalanced games in the series in terms of item... WHAT???
32:25 Lmao dude this isn’t self promotion, Nintendo loves to reference other franchises! Edit: Sorry for not being nicer. I should’ve. I should Love thy neighbor
I always use Lakitu on MK7, MK8U and MK8D, because I just like that little guy. Yes, I know that literally everyone hates/not used him because people say that his voice is pretty annoying (and I can totally see that). But personally I found nothing wrong with him, and I just like playing as him. Feels good to beat the meta (Blue Falcon Mortons for 8U, Biddybuggy Roys for 8D) as Lakitu.
The only reason you would ever get double coins or just mushrooms is due to connection issues, it will usually happen if someone has horrible wifi or connection and they lag the lobby.
@@DrLifeGamer actually, no. that's not possible. like i said, that issue is because of connection issues, when playing alone, you aren't connected to wifi, you're playing with cpu's, there's no way possible that can happen.
As a fan of both MKWii and MK8/MK8DX, I wanted to address a few of your points and give an alternative take: The new VR system has its pros and cons. I do miss the grind to 9999VR, but the thing is that once I reached 9999VR in MKWii, I wasn't motivated to keep playing. I think MK8's system avoids this problem. The limited course choice online is a good thing imo, it's pretty much just adopting a system that was already the standard in other games. I find it more streamlined/less choice-paralysis-inducing to pick from 3 courses rather than 32. I don't think it's really true to say that MKWii let you play the tracks you want to play, unless you liked playing Luigi Circuit every other race. I like the fact that dragging items behind you no longer counts as using the item. I found front-running much easier in MKWii because you could have so many defensive items at once - MK8 makes races more interesting. MK8DX slightly reintroduced the problem by having 2 item slots, but that's where coins come in. Speaking of which... I think coins (and double items) in MK8DX are fantastic because they add in a bunch of mind games. Whoever's in first place will probably go for a double item if they don't have an item (especially as this is the only way to guarantee a defensive item). But the double items are normally slower to get, so first place might take a gamble on the inside line, especially if they have an item already. If there's 2 of you right behind first place, which box do you go for? You can also pretend to go for a single box, then swerve to get the double at the last second. Bearing in mind also that you can kind of see what items the people in front of you have, almost every race throws up some funky mind games in my experience. Blue shells going along the ground are also a good change overall imo because it means the person using it can try to take out the racers right in front of them. In MKWii, it often feels like blue shells don't help you out at all. Similarly, the buffed blooper is surely a good thing? Everyone knows that the blooper is completely useless in MKWii. It's not like it's broken in MK8. I completely respect your opinions though (and I agree with many of your other points). Just wanted to offer up some defence of MK8 :) EDIT: by the way, I don't know how you got a recording of me at 34:04 but I don't appreciate you using it without my permission
What do you mean he got a recording of you? If you mean in Mario kart Wii, there would be no way to get permission. It’s an online game, he can’t contact everyone he plays with when he needs to record.
@@doraemon402 Fair enough - I'm basing this on my experience with MKWii as it was back in the day. I can see that in 2020 the course choice aspect has changed a lot (especially with CTGP)
I feel that. I watched a video about it before I went to get it, and decided not to get it when the guy showed that not steering and holding down accelerate got him 4th place in a 12 man race.
Just some points. As someone who enjoys both Mario Kart Wii and 8 just for my perspective on your points: Character Roster in 8 definitely isn't great though I'll defend non Mario characters as they were in a high demand and will defend Dry Bowser as he is clone but he has unique animation and model is vastly different compared to Marios and Peachs clones. Inside Bikes exist in 8 granted I don't think there is enough (only 5). And I main the Jet Bike in both 8 and 8 Deluxe. Its a bit nerfed in that theres an outside drift startup but it still gives off a different experience at least I think. As for Balance vs. Diversity its a touchy subject as Mario Kart has never been balanced HOWEVER I understand nerfing Bikes and making it similar as to avoid powercreep because itll be an endless cycle 8 Deluxe also added more differences to the vehicles not make them more the same. I will defend the 1 slot system in MK8 as it also changed that only Lightning Bolt can remove items from that slot unless you hold it. It adds a layer on wanting to hold an item if you are in a pack so you don't have to react to fast or save it in the slot to keep it for the inevitable Red Shell. I won't defend the Coin. It ruins the system 8 had. Should note 8 Deluxe its only possible to get double coins if the online server can't register the item you get fast enough so it sets on 2 coins as a fail safe. That's more Nintendo online fault. If you have a Coin, you can't get another one in your 2nd slot I will also defend Blue Shell on the ground as it actually makes it beneficial for the user. Blue Shells almost do nothing for the person using it durinh the late stages and just shakes up the front. Now it does it with the potential of hitting others so you gain an actual advantage. Not to mention Blue Shell damage is far weaker than it has been in any Mario Kart. Blooper buff needed to happen as it does nothing except hinder CPUs In terms of 8 Deluxe the item distrubtion is definitely wack (Bob-ombs in 1st is dumb) BUT the first row of items won't have a Double Item Box unless its Piranha Plant Pipeway and their placements aren't random and are usually in harder to reach places or outside of corners to lose track position. Could've been done better though. The limit to 3 tracks doesn't apply to playing with friends but this was done because Mario Kart 7 was constantly spammed with SNES Rainbow Road and its actually jarring. A cooldown for track selection you bring up would be a great idea. Mario Kart 8 used to be harsh with losing VR and there was a backlash at so I understand why Deluxe didn't do it. Granted most competitive players do Tournament mode any way which can highlight skill with its point system. I agree with a lack of Single Player content. Its tough luck if you don't like Race. Mario Kart Wii however I think is also guilty of this as you had to be online for 1 mission and THATS IT its just as bad as Mario Kart 8. One virtue of MK8 battle. I actually liked how Balloon Battle handled as they brought back the elimination from DS prior. Sad MK8 Deluxe didn't keep it. I can see your point on MK8 Deluxe battle stages but I think the Glider ramp is fine on BC 1. Again I think the "advertisement" is fine. Mercedes might be pushing it but I like the blur from Mario Kart to real cars but I can see how it can be ruined from other perspective. As for Skill Ceiling. 8 isn't that high I agree but Coins is meant to be separation from Competitive and Casual as not going Coins hurts you in the long run, granted combined with the wack items on 8 Deluxe it doesn't work too well. In terms of pandering to newcomers I agree completely it should be options and not hinder competitive players. Elevate tge newcomers not nerf the experience. This is my opposite position of powercreep. In terms of Item dependency, its a weird topic as it seems separated. The front runners, item doesn't seem to matter except for Red Shell. While the backrow is completely hectic.
Nerfing bikes is wrong, you gotta make karts better. Op bikes are what keep this game alive. Imagine having both op karts and op bikes. And your comments about backlash and demand are... complex, to say the least. Who made those demands? Who complained? Cause it's not the same if 10 year olds' moms complain or if people who play the game a lot complain. Cause, when it comes to VR, for example, what CP says is 100% correct. Playing more will give you higher VR than playing well, which, no matter how you look at it, is not quite fair.
I don’t think advertisment is the right word. These guys are just fun little characters they added. Ain’t nobody bought splatoon or a Mercedes cause of Mario kart. Now having said that I get wanting more Mario characters instead cause they’re a lot of characters in the series who need some spot light. And that coming from a guy who likes the Kooplings! Edit: the Mercedes was def advertisment. But still......
The mercedes was cool. Adding non-mario characters was horrible. Atleast karts based on other nintendo games is great enough. Tracke based on other nintendo games, I'm indifferent. Positive is they feel like legal custom tracks but negative is they're not mario tracks. But atleast they can be fun.
I don’t really follow your logic. Karts and stages from different series your okay with. But characters your not? It’s all in the same boat to me. Karts and Characters are customizations of your play style and tracks do a similar thing of (I guess) showing off another series. I don’t see much of a difference between them. Not saying your wrong I just don’t get it.
@@jimfitzgerald2289 does adding non-mario characters take away from what makes mario kart, mario kart? no. mario kart is merely a fun kart racing game, with the addition of mario characters. adding other nintendo characters doesn't detract from the gameplay. also, since when have the majority of tracks been mario related? sure, they may be named after a mario character, but tracks like coconut mall, music park, or sunshine airport have nothing to do with the mario franchise
@@zach_ncheese Coconut Mall = A mall based on Super Mario Sunshine. Music Park = Those music level areas from Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario 3D Land. Sunshine Airport = Again an airport based on Super Mario Sunshine. It even has N64 Koope Troopa Beach at the background for christ sakes. You want more? Give me more track names and I'll tell you which mario game they are related. Of course non-mario characters don't affect the gameplay. Except they feel off to be in the game anyways and even use up space from the roster for other mario characters like Birdo and Diddy Kong. Come on, Mii was just a fun addition Nintendo added to their games since the Wii era so IDGAF about them. R.O.B, I just consider him part of every single nintendo game's universe. Just a robot that can exist in any game for the heck of it so it didn't matter me much. Again it has MARIO Kart. Its not like you will create another NSMB game and slap starfox characters in them. Easter eggs are fine because, easter.
Mario Kart 8 competive scene just feels underappreciated. I could say the same thing to Deluxe, but slowly its getting recognition like the one in Las Vegas.
The ice ice outpost shortcuts might be hard compared to MK8's shortcuts, but it nothing against many shortcuts in MKWii. Example: The Rainbow Road ultra shoortcut is so incredibly difficult to do that only a few people have ever pulled it off.
@@vulgrim909 (TL:DR below in case you don’t feel like reading my rant) What part of my comment gives you the idea I’m a MK8 fanboy? I really couldn’t care less about which game is better competitively and whatever. But if he’s going to present this video as if it’s factual, then he needs to be prepared when his “facts” are criticized for being opinions, or just flatout wrong. There are plenty of comments debunking and correcting many of the points made in this video. And judging by those comments, I didn’t miss out on much only watching half of the video. About my point specifically, on his argument of “tough luck”... that’s not a good argument. It’s a way of getting out of any discussion. If we’re going by his logic, every point he made in this video can be destroyed instantly by anyone, just by replying “tough luck”. Less variety in kart stats? Well tough luck, deal with it. Blue shell hits other players while heading to first place? Tough luck! Get better at avoiding it or don’t play. Inklings and Zelda in Mario Kart is just Nintendo grossly advertising their other IPs? Well tough luck, just don’t play as them I guess! You can only pick 3 maps at a time while online, meaning you don’t always get to pick the track you want? Well tough luck I suppose, looks like you just gotta play on a different course this time! (This is actually the perfect counter-argument to his original “tough luck” point in the first place, as it was about map selection while playing online) My longwinded point is this; a TL:DR if you will- CreepyProduce obviously has an insane bias against MK8. And that’s perfectly fine! But when discussing it, he needs to make sure his points are factual, have a basis, and aren’t overly opinionated. This video is all over the place and really could have benefited from more research, and more structure. Maybe then I would have cared enough to watch it all the way through.
@@justyourbud He didn't even say tough luck that much, he probably only said it once, it sounds like you have a bias against him because he along with others are criticizing a game you like, just actually watch the video, he makes good points and counter arguments, its not just tough luck. His best points are criticizing the character roster, the coin item (seriously that item suck) the nerfed bikes making every vehicle the same, the mechanics and etc its pretty compelling if you actually listened.
@@vulgrim909 Once was enough for me to realize his arguments are too flawed for me to care anymore. I genuinely wanted to enjoy this; the only reason I watched this in the first place is because I was interested in hearing a different perspective, but the whole format of the video just feels half-assed and all over. Like, MK8 clearly has its own dedicated competitive community, so why didn’t he ask them why they enjoy the game? Or if everything he said was correct? Or maybe even learn some new strategies unique to MK8 (because surprise, it’s a new game so there’s bound to be differences when learning to play it competitively) And again, I made it about halfway through the video (to the part where he says tough luck, which was his argument against the online multiplayer map selection) so I heard his arguments for all of those things (meaning I’ve basically seen the best parts of the video then, I suppose?) and as I said, people have managed to counter most of those points in some way, whether it’s debunking them entirely or just providing a different perspective. (Like him saying there’s NO inline bikes whatsoever, when there is) I have nothing against this dude (literally have no idea who he is other than this video) and nothing against MKWii, nor do I love MK8 to death (I personally prefer CTRNF a LOT more than both, but that’s irrelevant) I just feel like the way he presented this video was a little... messy. I prefer scripted, analytical deep dives when it comes to these types of videos, so it just wasn’t really my thing. “Tough luck” was just the straw that broke the camels back, since this was clearly a much more opinionated video than I had expected when I clicked. I do personally prefer the mechanics and updates in MK8, and that’s my opinion. He prefers MKWii, and that’s his opinion, and I can respect that. But he presents this video (titling it the way it is) as if everybody who prefers MK8 is WRONG and that the game is too hyped up and everyone should enjoy Wii instead because “it doesn’t have coins” or “the karts are more diverse”. At least that’s how I read into it. I could go into why I prefer a lot of the mechanics in MK8, but frankly I’m just not that interested in getting into it. I’d prefer to just say that this video is horribly flawed and leave it at that. If he’s made/ever makes a much more organized and better researched video on the topic, I’ll gladly give it another shot. But this video hasn’t convinced me.
Hey! Mario Kart 8 Deluxe competitive player here! Thanks for making this video, I really like when people from the MK community come out and speak about why they don't find some games particularly enjoyable, and although I don't agree with some points you made I definetly agree in most things that you talked about. That Said, I think that Mario Kart 8 / Deluxe although they aren't as technical as Mario Kart Wii they are still really interesting games in their own right, because it might surprise some people but both MK8 and MK8D have a lot of tech that comes directly from MKW, Delay drifting (Although we call it Neutral Hoping), Soft Drifting, Low tricking, Low Glider, MT Trick, etc. I'm not trying to argue that these games even reach the heights that MKW does in that regard which they simply don't but even if they don't have as much tech I think that the depth in those games comes specifically from item usage, knowing when to use items and how it's crucial because backing a green shell or not can be a question of life and death sometimes and that makes the game really strategy based and makes watching clan wars at top play just so interesting, in some discussions I had after watching this video with some friends that were apparently MKW competitive players (Sage Although you might know him as Sean) I heard that things like that aren't really present in MKW, because TCs make item usage in the front pretty much non existent. I also play sometimes against MKW players in MK8D wars and sometimes I notice that they use their items really fast which actually tends to be a really uncommon thing in competitive because you tend to keep your items for yourself and make the best use of them. I honestly think that MKW and MK8 are different types of games, and that's fine, I think that MK8 and MKW are both really good games and I'm also kind of tired of seeing people bullshit other games because they don't like them, I get it it's a personal thing but really I just don't think this is the best way to make the MK community a better place.
12:52 btw the stupidiest thing there is actually you cherrypicking because that only happens with item lag, its not intended to happen in game and besides item lag is a really rare thing
Well, you could say that vehicle customization is just for some visual-variety if not anything else. Yeah, the vehicles are basically all the same, but at the other end, most of Mario Kart Wwii's vehicles are unbalanced so theres little reason to just not use what works. So why even have different vehicles? Well, to have variety and be able to play something different right? Just like Mario Kart 8. At least in 8 you have more incentive to play with different karts since they control mostly the same. Not saying that it isn't a problem of course, but I really feel that its more of a problem in Wii than 8.
If they all play the same, choosing another vehicle is not playing "something different" cause it plays the same. In MKW you can set up an only karts room, for example. Which will make it very different. You just can't do that on MK8 cause they all play the same.
CreepyProduce:"why do you get coins there so useless?" That's the point of them they are meant to balance the person in first and they do make you a tad faster
Coins also give you more speed and can give you a guaranteed chance to get a defensive item if it's in the first slot It might be bad but it's not entirely useless
Okay, but, hear me out: A Mario Kart game with the entire roster from Mario Kart Wii, Mario Kart 8, and Mario Kart Tour, but all the duplicates and costumes are just skins, just like the different Yoshi and Shy Guy colors.
I would prefer that but you'd have to take some charaters out. But sure, considering Tanuki Mario and Mario different characters is just wrong. Especially when in others games you see the regular one become the skin with a powerup.
The thing with this is that I disagree with the nerfing bikes is bad argument. I compare the removing feature of bikes like nerfing meta knight in brawl. If the core feature is too broken it reduces the chances of people using other smash characters, or karts.
I can say the same, in MKW everyone in online would use the same vehicles and bikes because there's no point of using the others if they are bad or not that great. But in MK8 every car and bike (or at least most of them) can be used. For me MKW was just too competitive while MK8 is more casual
It is generally better to buff instead of nerf. If the most powerful vehicles in the game are also the most fun vehicles in the game, nerfing them to the ground does not make sense. They should have instead buffed the less viable and less fun vehicles - the karts. That way, the bikes remain fun to use, and the karts become also more fun to use. Fun is a much more important factor than balance. As Reggie said: "If it's not fun, why bother?"
@@jamescarrotcsl8 what's the difference in the vehicles? But while MK8's roster was disappointing, I don't think it was as bad as MK7, because at least MK8 had Waluigi in it, plus it didn't have so many "out there" characters like Wiggler and Honey Queen.
@@Dragular it mostly is lol he made one point that u are able to pick only 3 tracks in mk8 when a lot of wii players would pick rainbow road over and over it got pretty annoying
I really hope that in the next Mario Kart game we can get the entirety of Mario Kart Tour's roster (excluding the costume clone characters). The roster of Mario Kart Tour is genuinely really good. You got the entirely of both Mario Kart Wii and Mario Kart 8's rosters besides some of the clones and the crossover characters plus some entirely new characters, including some really highly requested characters like Pauline, Dixie Kong, Nabbit, King Bob-omb, etc.. It'd be a perfect roster for the next Mario Kart game. Like, even if Mario Kart Tour gets a bad rap for being microtransaction filled and whatnot, you gotta admit its roster is the best of both worlds and then some.
@@matzahball1881 Yeah I guess they could probably cut some characters, but mostly just the lazy characters that don't need to exist like some of the babies, Pink Gold Peach, and those other characters nobody really wanted.
I was briefly on a competitive mk8dx team and the strategy with the kart pieces is much much much more diverse than you give it credit for. There would only be two players at most in 1 game with the same character and kart. Carts have their strengths and bikes have their strengths. Slightly worse stats are still viable depending on the track or your play style
You make some good points but a lot of what you say sounds like hard bias to me. You mention a lot of things you don't like but aren't necessarily bad or just don't see the good in it. What ruins either version of competitive Mario Kart 8 is the unbalanced item distribution but the rest of it is solid.
@@Pond-King @Oliver Leahy @Oliver Leahy His affection for mkwii results in him making ridiculous leaps of logic to try and criticise decisions made in mk8 and justifying contrasting (or in some cases similar) decisions in Wii -the roster is worse in 8 despite being the same roster as Wii but with koopalings and metal characters -it was better in Wii when everyone was just using the same bike. It's worse that karts and bikes are now more balanced in 8 because it means choice doesn't matter (except tires and kart size and the type of bike clearly do have differences to them) -item use is too chaotic in 8 (while showing footage of him going from 1st to 12th in Wii on the final stretch) -it was better when you got the blue shell in Wii and it only affected the driver in first place, rather than in 8 when it affects all those on front of you (bearing in mind you get the blue shell when you're at the back of the pack) -the dlc is bad because it's self promotion (for franchises like fzero and excitebike that haven't had a release since the release of mkwii let alone 8) but Rob and the miis are fine for some reason -smart steering and auto accelerate are stupid inclusions (anyone who's ever played with people new to videogames or young kids will tell you how useful these features are to help them get started with the game)
That's exactly the point he makes. You can set up a kart room, you can set up and outside drift room. You've got variety by choice or as a challenge. In MK8 there's just no variety cause they all play the same. Having two things that look different but do the same doesn't create variety
@@anactualrooster7706 Facts. I'm reading the comments and he's almost in every comment and the shit he says literally makes no sense. Is he having a stroke or something
@@doraemon402 I’d like to refute that. In Mario Kart Wii because bikes are so overpowered everyone will prefer to use bikes over karts but in Mario kart 8 they are balanced and more polished and fair so people would be more open to use any of the vehicles what’s the point of variety if everyone is just gonna go for the obvious advantage (the bikes) but in Mario kart 8 you can use both the karts and the bikes making people more open to use different selections while having more polished and fair controls so in the end having more fair and polished and actually open up more opportunity for players to want to use both bikes and karts while Mario kart Wii will make players want to go only for the bikes which eliminates the point of variety and it’s more unfair and broken if you try to play it with your friends who is inexperienced it’s more unfair for them in Mario kart Wii making the experience less fun.
@@user-nn5dh3cs9s Yeah but it makes it generic, whats the point if you are gonna make it all the same, it adds less replay value and exciting gameplay, they could have also buffed the Karts with something to compete against the Bikes, make there a reason to use Karts.
Yeah i like MKWii but honestly Mk8 is miles ahead on so many levels: especially balancing and tracks (i mean i just get frustrated when i get destroyed in MkWii by someone that got lucky items or used an ultra shortcut that SHOULDNT be there). What i mean is that MKWii has become inaccessible
If anything mkwii is underrated if the reviews or this comment section has anything to say about it. Really the overrated mario karts are 8 and ds, mkwii has a pretty small community
@@julienlevesque5366 If it was inaccessible then it wouldnt have a dedicated small community of people who still play it even after wfc shut off, when Nintendo pulls the plug on mk8 and mk7, mkwii will have a bigger dedicated community and all of you normies will just move onto the next generic kart racer Nintendo makes.
@@vulgrim909 As I can see, you are part of the people who believe MkWii is the fucking god of video games and can't just accept that Mk8 (especially DX) is a game way better in ALMOST every way
Original Title: Mario Kart Wii but I talk about Mario Kart 8.
Lol yeah
But where does the Mario kart wii idea come from? If you’re talking about the gameplay then you’re just stupid
@@simonwhy r/wooooooosh
No, no. He’s got a point.
@@acid3771 r/iamabadass
"In this video I won't answer if I hate Mario Kart 8 or not, but I'll talk about why I don't like it"
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Does he hate it? Well no but actually yes
he hates it hahahha
Well tbf disliking isn't exactly hating so you can dislike something without hating it but obviously you can't hate something without disliking something aswell
@@bandibandibandibandi He literally said he hated it though (later in the video)
@@arobbit yeah I am aware, I just was just clarifying for anyone who might get confused about disliking and hating
CP: I don’t like MK8
Me: Ok cool
*sees the video’s length*
Me: Holy f*cking sh*t
LOL IKR???? CAN SOMEONE SUMMARIZE???
Kobaltski Summary: he doesn’t like Mario kart 8
U mean Holy Fucking Shit. Not holy f*cking sh*t u fucking normie
Royale bruh
Royale hey fuck you man, this channel is pretty family friendly
you did try to remove your nostalgia glasses but you forgot about second, smaller pair of nostalgia contact lenses
was- was this supposed to be an insult?
@Benjamin Athenry it's a joke
I made a time stamp thing and hopefully no one else did because this took a really long time oh god.
Characters roster: 2:10
Vehicles 5:18
Item chaos 10:50
Online 18:28
Scary Lakitu Restrictions 23:12
Lack of Single Player content 26:42
Battle mode 28:12
Self promotion and advertisements 31:33
Skill ceiling 34:55
Conclusion 41:27
CP needs to pin this
thx
GJ!
Thank u sir
Thanks!
I think the only thing I really disagree the point about the advertisements. Fun fact, the last F-zero game released was in 2004. I don't think Nintendo was advertising a 10+ year old game. The only true advertisements were the Mercedes and as someone else in this comment section has said, "Nobody's bought a Mercedes just because it was in Mario kart".
The strategy was never to get someone to buy something solely for being in the game. The inclusion is supposed to allow the product to surface more, given it’s on a highly populated game, so that means more people know about it. And you can see why it helps in terms of advertising
Advertising is about getting the product into your head, not necessarily about actively selling it to you.
I think its more the other way around. Rather than trying to get Mario Kart fans to buy F-Zero, they're carrot-on-a-stick playing the F-Zero fans that have been long since deprived of a new game.
Oh wow! This Link guy seems cool! I’m gonna buy his game! Almost everyone knows what Zelda is so it’s not really an advertisement but it’s more like a reference to the character. I never wanted to play Animal Crossing because of them being in Mariokart and I am definitely not interested in Splatoon
@@gnarly.bulblax Cause it's the opposite. "Oh, I like animal crossing. Wait a second, there's a villager in MK8. I may wanna try this game"
We wish the F-Zero courses were advertisements
Idk it seems like not many people know or hardly remember what fzero was so I don't think that advertising it would have made much of an impact
@@yooniverse1575 you're missing the point of what he said
@@seekingsolutions7078 yeah I just noticed that, I really do love f zero and wished it were advertised but some of the public sadly wouldn't have noticed
@@yooniverse1575 but they are so cool...
I mean,even if no one knows anymore,just releasing another game with that level of adrenaline and visual amazement I bet people would get interested regardless
true. RIP F-Zero
How are they advertising F-Zero if F-Zero is dead the other ones yes it’s advertising but not F-zero.
Yup only f zero things ins captain falcon in smash bros, and the 1 or 2 tracks
The Blue Shell traveling on the ground is a decision I actually approve of. If you are at the tail of the pack, and got a blue shell in previous games, it would mess with the people at the front, but basically do nothing to help *you.* It feels like a waste of an item.
But in MK8, getting a Blue Shell has the chance to help you because it might hit the people along its path. So it's almost like a mini lightning bolt.
Exactly!
Yh it's meant to ruin first place
@@kooshio ...which would only help if you were in 2nd, or maybe 3rd... and you almost always get it when you're far behind.
Not even mentioning you usually end up getting a blue shell when you are in around 7th-8th, where it doesn't help you whatsoever
Ok but the WHOLE idea of the blue shell is that it *only* targets 1st place. As soon as you let it hit others then it's not even the blue shell anymore.
15:56 hearing creepyproduce talk about the lack of strategy in MK8 while he's getting absolutely bodied in MKWii in the background
iiirrrooony
but seriously, nintendo is obviously trying to kill any competitive scene with their games, I don't understand it. Patching bugs that only effect speedrunners and players interested in high level competition is really dumb. they're putting in extra work to their already finished game just to ensure their game doesn't last as long on the market.
@@jpsalis bruh bugs are bugs no matter if they’re only used by higher level players it detracts from the game as a whole
LMAOOOO MY EXACT THOUGHT
@@GameGuy137 bugs definitely do not always take stuff away from the game, stuff like rocket jumping in tf2 and ultra shortcuts in mkwii opens up possibilities for high end things to be discovered and the workings of the game engine to be better understood, as well as create entirely new skills within the game
@@GameGuy137 Did you even read what you typed?
I actually prefer the blue shell travelling along the ground. Normally, the people who get the item are around 7th to 5th place, meaning the items completely useless to them unless their right next to first place, which is highly unlikely. Since it can hit others racers as well in Mario kart 8, the person with the blue shell can actually benefit from it.
Fair enough
I respect your opinion and you make some good points, what I’m about to say is completely *my* opinion. To be honest, that’s what made blue shells into *blue shells* . In Mkwii, you cannot escape a blue shell unless you get really lucky with a boost panel or mushroom, blue shells made mkwii exciting and was made so that the person in 1st place isn’t always in the lead and so that other people can have a chance. But with mk8, blue shells can be useless and any place can get hit by a blue shell. Again, this is only my opinion
@@ianfian7321 so it's not useless you get a warning so you can have the skills to dodge it and it is unlikely it would hit everyone and the person in first needs to still get lucky with items and boost. It is no where close to useless
Gooigi I said it *can* be useless. I didn’t say that it can’t be useful
@@ianfian7321 that goes for both
Honestly, the irony of defending the item balance in MKWii but showing how he got absolutely blasted at 16:05 (while talking about item balance btw) and going from 1st to 11th right before the finish line. This kind of thing can happen across all Mario Kart titles but Mario Kart Wii is literally infamous for its extreme AI rubber-banding via item spamming.
this track is a luck track. it happens on those tracks more than on others, more skill-based tracks.
@@KindraSmash and? Luck track or not, when he was defending the item balance in MKWii, he got "MarioKarted" in the game where it happened so much that the term was created.
I only got to play Mario Kart Wii recently, but played other Mario Kart games like DS, GBA, 64, SNES and 7. So i began with the Cups and everything normal so far then somedays ago i played the multiplayer mode with my mother, and christ the rubber banding is something else, i feel like sometimes is more loke playing Mario Party and depending on your luck for staying 1st place than your real abilities at the game.
Since everyone is more competitive in MkWii it’s not the same as getting item spammed in Mk8 or deluxe because in MkWii although it’s still possible for things like this to happen, it’s not as easy as just mindlessly spamming the items you receive. You can clearly see the people trying to keep the tc to get a higher position, the shock being played at the last possible moments in an attempt to gain some time for the player who used it, even someone who might have predicted the shock and used a star, as well as treading through the off-road to attain a higher position. In Mk8 or deluxe you can just spam the items mindlessly most of the time especially when you’re in further positions and not have to have a grasp on the course or game to get a higher position.
Creepy: "If i want to play mushroom gorge 11 times in a row just allow it."
Also creepy: *Has a mental breakdown when it gets picked four times in a row in one of his videos.*
*Four
haha i did that
@@elliottwindsor8580 My bad i changed it.
Yeah but that's the beauty of freedom of choice and those who truly support it. The idea is "I may disagree with your idea but I will fight to support your right to have said idea". That's kinda what this video is saying in a nutshell, MK8 isn't bad for different mechanics, it's because many of it's mechanics were created with the purpose of minimizing a players options and generalizing the gameplay as a whole. Many of it's mechanics exist solely for taking away the players freedom of choice and that makes it a shitty game.
@@disturbeddemons1 You just lost all credibility when you said mario kart 8 is a shitty game. Though i prefer mkwii, 8 is still objectively a very good game, even with its unnecessary or controversial limitations.
Did this dude really say Rob can be excused because he's is dead but the fzero tracks count as advertisement. Anyway the fzero tracks are ironically the best tracks in Mario kart.
I think he can also be excused for the virtue of being the chosen one. Nintendo had a whole dd roster to choose from but they chose rob instead of king boo or diddy kong or Petey pirhana. In Mario kart 8 it just feels like the inclusion of these characters was to just fill up the roster to be more than Mario kart Wii.
@@lukraniom8731 what do you mean by "chosen one"? It didn't really feel like that with the guest star characters though.
I HATE THE FZERO TRACKS
@@lukraniom8731 makes sense
@@aarongilbertphonetube219 why though? They're so fast paced and feels satisfying when you win
“It’s not Melee”
Nathaniel Bandy | Striving for Originality
😂😂
Mario Kart Wii is basically the Super Smash Bros Melee of Mario Kart.
Nathaniel bandy good jib
Bandy man wuz here
"nintendo tried to shut down a melee tournament in 2013"
boy let me tell you about what happened earlier this year
What happened earlier this year? Sorry
MKWii Offical Servers Shut Down
Obviously you didn’t disagree with this point but I wanted to talk about it: I think the auto-accelerator and turn assistant is a really really really good addition to MK8D. While I of course don’t use it myself, it lets disabled, elderly, and very young children to enjoy MarioKart more. I’ve actually played with some very young kids at family gatherings, and they get frustrated when they cant do the things I can in the game. With the extra help, though, they get so much more fun out of it. :)
i actually keep the auto accelerator on solely because my thumb hurts after holding it down for so long. I get so caught up in the game that ill press down harder on the button thinking it'll go faster, which it won't, but it's subconscious. years of playing MK7 has left my thumb in states of pain, so while it's just a personal issue on my part, I keep it on so I won't break the button of the joycon or something. so I absolutely agree with your statement. its an option for the player; I don't understand why it's such an upsetting topic
besides, it's not even like you are forced to have auto-accelerate on. it's a personal choice, and other having it on doesn't deteriorate the quality of the game as a whole
Vana H Yeah I totally get that!! I actually tend to do that to so maybe I should employ your strategy :o
My only issue is that turn-assist is turned on by default which really screws up a person that had played Mario Karts before.
SaraBLQ I agree with you! I have alot of siblings many of which are much younger than me. Smart steering makes it alot easier for them, while it doesn't effect me at all. Now that they're getting more comfortable with the controls some of them aren't using it any more, but it helped them get a feel for the game without becoming to frustrated.
Hot take: Overrated has been used so much, that it has become what it means.
Ironically so has the term "Hot Take"
Almost as overused as saying hot take or unpopular opinion and then stating a very popular opinion.
@@Alienrun I think I get what you mean, but the way you say it makes it sound like the term "hot take" has become a hot take.
@@ntwrk56 I get what you're trying to say, but I've seen overrated used so much that it feels like the popular thing to use when you are trying to say your subjective opinion on media is more valid then someone else's subjective opinion on media. For example, some people say that the Megadeth album 'Rust In Piece' Is overrated. Overrated in that case implies that they are saying a majority of the songs on the album are bad. Now you can have that opinion, but they are mostly saying that because they prefer the album 'Peace Sells, But Who's Buying?', and while Rust In Peace is a more popular album, Peace Sells is still a popular album. A lot of them also claim that Peace Sells is a very fast album, but compared to RIP, it is mostly mid-paced. I realize you probably have no idea what I'm talking about, but go listen to the album Rust In Peace, not the 2004 remaster, but the original Rust In Peace. It is a great technical thrash metal album.
Yup.
Dude, that DK Jungle Parkway race was pain.
I saw Dk and Pain but I Thought it was going to be DK Mountain
bruh r u even listening 😂
16:06
So was toad factory
DK Mountain is an easy track. Just take that path skip at the end of the track before the bridge and you'll be 30 seconds ahead from Mirror 150cc CPU. Trust me.
"bikes were so overpowered thats what make them fun"
"THeY bUfFed GrEeN SheLl"
The bias and hypocrisy is real
You gotta point
He's not mad about the green shell being better, he's mad about the way the new green shells work and how they contradict their original purpose
@@khirek5335 It's too bad they didn't actaully make them homing, but their hitbox can lag behind
@@jackrocks8350 oh ok. I haven't played mk8 a lot especially not racing, I'm more of a time trial guy. Was just trying to clear up what creepy was tryna say
“Mario Kart 8 cut a lot of the characters people liked in Mario Kart Wii.” I get it. We were all looking forward to playing as Birdo in MK8 and they just stole that dream from us.
I don’t know if your being sarcastic or not, but I think he meant characters like funky kong
The Cubing Beans Yea, it was just sarcasm. I agree with his thoughts on the Wii Roster being so much more well rounded in its characters with no metal variants, power up versions like Tanooki Mario and Cat Peach, and so on.
They haven't brought back Diddy Kong yet
@ElectroChill Hex i am also a birdo main for the same reason.
I feel like people only started caring about Funky Kong once he became meta in MKWii. He was only a minor DK character beforehand, but oooh now everyone loves him because he got blessed with a +4 speed stat
Also Ik your comment was sarcastic but I've been unironically longing for Birdo to be in MK8 since the first ever hint of potential DLC lol
I agree that Gex 3 is overated, but Gex 1 and 2 are classics
I feel like Ben Franklin's wallet.
@@armankaya4826 cool
@@jtwk3400 That's for 12 years of Full House!
Wrong video my friend
I haven't seen blasts like this since taco night at James Earl Jones house
i like how he talks about why he loves mario kart wii while we watch him get demolished in every race lol
Especially when he is talking about how "buff" the items in MK8 are.
I think this video would have benefited from being more heavily scripted and edited. There was a lot of rambling and holding on a small topic for too long.
I think it's just a case where you have very different priorities than the developers. Mario Kart Wii is like the Melee of mario kart, a game that became accidentally really good for advanced players, even thought Nintendo's target audience is casual players. I love Mario Kart 8 much more than Wii, because when I play Mario Kart, I just want to have some casual fun with my friends. I love Mario Kart 8 because of the variety of tracks, beautiful graphics, and fact that the skill ceiling is so low. What's a negative for you is a positive to me. I don't want to play Mario Kart to "get good". I want to play it casually, not having to think as much. I have other games I play that care about strategy and skill. It's the kind of thing where Mario Kart Wii and Mario Kart 8 cater to very different players.
This
haha i remember when DS was the melee of mario kart and mkwii was it's brawl
I disagree. I am a mostly casual player, I don't really play MK to "get good" (Even though I did get good), I play for fun, and I still think MKW is a much better game than MK8. MK8 is a game where you literally can't improve, 1 week playing and you're pretty much as good as you can be, since there are no mechanics. Outside drifting is the easiest thing ever, as opposed to the high risk high reward gameplay inside drift brings, the glider thing is pointless as everyone just straight up holds downwards as soon as you get on that shit, the luck factor was greatly increased, there are way less shortcuts on tracks, they prioritised flashy over functional (the awkward horizontal wheel bumping thing comes to mind), many tracks are boring or weird (there are some tracks that I truly consider as good as the average MKW track, but they usually get spoiled by the amount of glider ramps, underwater sections, wallrunning sections and other stuff like that), I mean in MKW there isn't a single track I dislike (except maybe Wario's Gold Mine) but in 8 I hate half of them (Electrodome is DISGUSTING). I could go on and on but I think I made my point. Just because there is a lot of room for improvement in MKW it doesn't mean you can't enjoy it casually.
The thing is you can have both. Look at Minecraft, for example. You can simply run a farm with 2 pigs and feed them and build a couple of cool things or you can create the most insane stuff a human mind can imagine. The idea that MK8 being a game just for casual players is in any way good is objectively wrong. You gotta be able to get both.
In MKW, you have the online, which is undeniably for advanced players (especially nowadays) and the offline which is just too easy. Make an offline that's just a bit harder and you got both covered.
@@lounowell4171 There was never anything competitive about mk ds
It seems like most of the "you cant strategise" arguments are actually "it's different, so the strategies I already had don't work anymore"
100% this. Switching from MKDS to MKW felt jaring. Same with MKW to MK7. Almost all games feel completely different and I'd argue that's a good thing. You'll always suck at first, but learning these games all over again in a different way feels more satisfying. Now which play style you prefer is a different question but that's the beauty of that series.
It seems like all you did was skim through this video because he criticzed your precious mk8
Exactly that summarizes it perfectly. People gotta realize that things change.
@@BriannaBobadilla they do, and they are criticising those changes
@@guyfauks2576 The thing is that he is criticizing how they took out the bugs and glitches. Is removing the issues really a bad thing?
wait, now he is gonna say nintendo has done wrong making their games less glitchy??!
Tbh, yeah. The main thing that makes mkwii so much fun is how broken it is.
CP -- complains there is nothing like bowsers castle shortcut. Bowsers castle shortcut - literally goes through wall
Or more balanced
@Nargacuga Wyvern So you're saying everyone that plays the game is shit? Just because you know a few shortcuts and you're playing funky kong-flame runner doesn't mean you're just automatically win a mogi. You still have to practice lines and know how to use items properly. Also, most of the shortcuts in this game are not easy. Trust me, they take practice.
Section one: “too many clone characters, its basically only four types of characters”
Section two: “the vehicles are too similar. They should make the characters cosmetic only, maybe like three or four classes of characters”
Too be fair, he wasn’t talking about stats when he mentioned clone characters, he was talking about how there are multiple of the same character in the roster (for example, MK8 has 4 Peaches)
@@Jose_Ruiz9325*
Mario Kart Wii is the Melee of Mario Kart, different strokes for different folks
Mario kart Wii Funky Kong.
Yeah. Overrated as hell.
for better and worse lol. Like I love wii it's a part of my childhood....but I never would have imagined it would become...this
@@Jdudec367 lmao wdym? You make it sound like it grew up to be a methhead. What’s your issues with a kart game?
@@Junya01 Nothing is wrong with a kart game....it's just both crazy and weird even now to see it become so competitive after all these years suddenly...with a fox equivalent too being funky kong
33:08 f-zero and excitebike are two dead series which haven't had a new entry in over a decade. So what the hell are they supposedly advertising by having tracks from those games ? I'd say it's more to celebrate racing games from Nintendo's history which aren't likely to ever get another entry
That is the Smash Bros series' job. MK8 is more to appeal to casual or younger players.
@@im_nottelling_my_name_8832 mario kart was just supposed to be a nintendo racing game that was easier to play than f-zero and more relevant than their other racing games
nintendo calling back to their other racing games makes a ton of sense because they essentially made mario kart to be an alternative to them, but then the other franchises became dormant
He was absolutely grasping at straws with this take, especially when he went "But I'm ok with R.O.B in MKDS because... because yes". Just say you dislike crossovers and leave it at that. The whole "crossovers bad" bit was the only bad part of an otherwise good argument.
Ngl the excitebike arena course is not exciting at all lmao, it’s one of the most boring and basic courses of them all.
His point is still valid because the F-Zero and exitebike tracks are both trash
Alt title: Ranting about why Mario Kart Wii is better than Mario Kart 8/8 Deluxe for 44 Mins
I definitely agree that more Mario kart ds and dd stuff could’ve been thrown in for comparison, but what can you expect from someone whose played countless hours of Mario kart Wii and spared hours of the other titles. It makes sense why he made so many comparisons to Wii.
As someone who actually loves Mk8 deluxe, the most annoying thing is that when you are holding 2 items you can't switch between them
Boomerang item allows your to do that.
Just wait until he sees Mario Kart 12
Oh I’m not the only time traveler in this comment section
did nintendo fix joycon drift yet?
Lemme guess, there is a baby variant of every character.
Filip Hendrych no, they retired the joycons for what is basically a pro controller that splits in half
Smug Child
No, it’s far worse than that
When I clicked on this I wasn’t expecting to watch it all but I couldn’t bring myself to leave.
I just realized I’m already halfway through lol
Yes
same
What genuinely frustrates me about this video is you saying ”tough luck“ but you cant accept that you might just have ”tough luck“...
What
@@mokeymokey9697 he’s saying that people shouldn’t get upset but he himself would probably get upset
AdvanceGaming well...he may get upset himself...and if that happens? tough luck
@AdvanceGaming But if he chooses SNES rainbow road and dry dry desert or whatever gets chosen instead? Well tough luck.
That’s where the hypocrisy lies.
@AdvanceGaming sorry I just woke up I’m just as confused reading that too.
What I was saying is that he’s telling others who don’t want to play the same track over and over “tough luck”, but the same exact statement could be used against him for his complaint about Dry Dry Desert being chosen instead of SNES Rainbow Road, or even most of the other points he makes in this video.
It’s a dumb statement that takes a lot of strength away from the rest of his points, some of which are equally bad takes.
16:03
Talking about how MK8 is too chaotic while he gets combo'd from 1st to 11th in MKWii
MK Wii is chaotic but fun. MK 8 is kind of chaotic and very unfun.
@@gabrielmoravargas4728 bruh at this you’re just tryna find anything to complain about
MK8 has a much higher luck level because the item system is very unbalanced and the controls are very easy to learn. MKWii has a chaotic item system, but te controls are really competitive. So in MK8 litteraly everyone can win, while in MKWii you need more skill to win because of the controls and shortcuts.
@@MKWahPhil you are saying this, as he got unlucky by being bombarded from first to eleventh.
@@pilkmaster I'm not saying MKWii is 100 percent skill based. I'm just saying it's way more skill based then MK8.
Idk why you made a video about how much you hate MK8/D 45 mins. It would’ve been better if it were 20 minutes and you actually had a bit more of a script. I’m not talking about editing or anything like that, it’s just that you were kinda all over the place at times.
Yea some transitions would've helped
Yes
I've found the best pfp on youtube
@@superninja123 he clearly said he didnt hate it. He just doesn't like it that much
I think you’ve missed the mark with a lot of this. I agree wii is the superior game but complaining about auto acceleration? Really? That’s a great feature. Anyone who’s played with young children or elderly knows how great it is? It’s just extra. You’re not forced to use it. Also you’ve complained about characters from other games but like... funky Kong isn’t a Mario character 😂 also it’s just extra, it’s nothing to complain about? Like no ones forcing you to play as link? No ones buying a Mercedes because it was in Mario kart (that was free anyway)
^ Best comment on here tbh
It’s like complaining that Smash Bros characters aren’t actually brothers
i work with special needs individuals and when i was in high school i would bring my switch to school and let all the homies in the special ed room play mk8d with one another on the big class monitor and it definitely wouldn’t have worked out without auto acceleration and smart steering
Mario kart 8 had freakin dlc? Uhh WHAT!? Trash feature. Wii didn’t have dlc and 8 did so obviously I have to complain about it. Who wants extra content for a game that could use some extra content? Laaaaaame
How’d I do? That was my impression of him
I was gonna comment that as soon as I heard him say it
Green shells don't actually target you in 8, this has been tested and pretty conclusively proven, but the problem is that for some reason when they're moving, their hitboxes interpolate (basically stay active where the shell just was for a few frames after the shell has already moved) a massive amount, which means that when a shell is bouncing back and forth, even if it misses you it can still count as a hit.
so THATS whats been screwing me over
I’m surprised a the lack of research on @CreepyProduce part. At least 3 factual inaccuracies and a few more disputed claims.
@@Nc3three yeah and how irrationally angry he is getting is not making me want to keep the video playing, if he had constructed his thoughts better and came off more level headed i might have a bit more respect
@@ThaddeusSilva Same
Green Shell? Target? WHAT?
“That’s just your opinion. I don’t really care.” Yes exactly. Your response to me is also my response to this
For real he’s complaining about characters and when I see the MK8 and the Mario kart wii roster the only difference I see is funky Kong diddy Kong and birdo and there’s a lot more other things
@@lolmaster6476 To be fair, Wii's roster has characters that feel important. 8's roster just has a bunch of filler characters. Need I remind you Pink Gd Peach?
@@Dragular I’ll give you that but he’s making such a big deal of 3 characters missing. I feel like it would make sense to add the characters that have a specific map like link and inkling
@@lolmaster6476 That's a good point, but I think he made a big deal because characters like Funky Kong and Birdo were great and iconic additions and they were replaced with a bunch of filler characters. But, that's just my guess.
@@lolmaster6476 it’s not necessarily that he’s complaining about characters that aren’t there, he’s more complaining about characters that are there.
MarioKart is slowly turning into politics.
That's by every franchise that gets so much fame.
Right 🤣
Idk whether to laugh or cry at this
Just like paper Mario
Mario Kart 2020!
tbh, the Animal Crossing track was named that way to be a reference to the 'Animal Crossing' Street Shields that warn you that... animals could be crossing the street.
Creepy: the tracks have no mechanics or something cool to it
Also creepy: The battle tracks have too much mechanics to it
Silo hawk said that any variety in battle maps is important. Creepy produce says that too much variety is overwhelming. I think the point creepy produce was trying to get at was that there could’ve been a happy medium like with twilight house, or with honey hive, or block fort, but instead we got really gimmicky battle maps. That’s why everyone complains about thwomp desert and chain chomp wheel. They’re just too gimmicky to have any strategy involved.
How does battle stadium have too much mechanics
@@fortunemuderhwa9318 let’s see, anti gravity, twisting and winding roads, ramps everywhere.
Even the most basic track, SNES battle course 1 was ruined from the addition of glider ramps.
@@OOFUS4103 yeah twilight house defo doesnt have too many paths yeah
And also wuhu island has no mechanics at all so I actually dont really get this point
I like the part where you complained about item chaos in MK8 while onscreen you're getting assaulted by Blooper, Lightning, and more all at the same time
See the thing is that its item chaos hes not familiar with so its automatically worst
Yeah, dumb point by him
Its still mario kart
I also like the part where he complained about more Peach clones than just Pink Gold Peach.
But crossover aspects are always a must, just as long as they make sense!
@@kieranstark7213 Said clones and Crossover Characters are really funny to mess with while playing as friends.
You're complaining about the "self promo" with the extra characters, but what I think they're trying to do is give some of the fans who want characters outside of the Mario franchise in the game, like how many people want something along the lines of a "Super Smash Kart" where they can play as so many beloved characters from more than one franchise (but I don't think it was a good idea to prioritize these characters over the classics like Diddy Kong or Funky Kong and adding Isabelle before Captian Falcon is a little odd to me). Having an Animal Crossing course is pretty questionable but having Hyrule Circuit and F-Zero tracks are awesome and a step in the right direction for this series
Also, in terms of advertising with the Mario Kart 8 Wii U DLC, F-Zero can't be considered advertising because the series is dead in the ground (R.I.P., and smash does not count), Legend of Zelda hadn't gotten a new console title in years at that point and Animal Crossing was exclusively handheld at the time (don't you dare bring up Amiibo Festival). The Inklings are promo (which is deluxe and not the Wii U version), but it's a new IP, which really isn't a good excuse but is still one
I have to say Mario Kart Wii is the Melee of Mario Kart- it has a high skill celing and it's tech skills allows it to become more competitive but lacks the fun in casual that the new titles have (casual Melee is pretty lame in comparison to newer games in the series after all). I would give Mario Kart 8 the title of "Brawl of the Mario Kart Series"- best as casual and the best of casual, but there is still skill to be had (like how Brawl Meta Knight has some crazy tech skill). Saying the title is overrated is fair, but both titles do something right and something wrong. A casual will get wrecked in Mario Kart Wii online but might do fine in Mario Kart 8 online, and that's fine. Both games exist for the different players.
When you were talking about Nintendo making games with less depth, it's not that they wan't people to move on to new titles, its that at the end of the day, they're a business, and they almost always try to appeal to the casual crowd- the biggest crowd. Attempting to shut down the Melee tournament was a bad move on their part and is unjustified (and they could have just made a Melee port for a console by now), but the Wii U era was a confusing time where they made casual games but only Hardcore Nintendo fans got the Wii U, and had a hard time. People jumping ship to Melee with a new Smash game on the horizon wasn't good for Nintendo's business with them already floundering and they made a rash decision that gave them bad press. Nintendo doesn't patch glitches because they hate fun, its because glitches are bad PR
I can't see you hating Mario Kart 8 because of all this, but I can understand if you dislike it or are very annoyed of hearing people saying it's better than Mario Kart Wii. As a fan of both (MK Wii competitive and MK 8 casually), I like almost everything about MK Wii but have to hand it to MK 8 for amazing course designs, but not much else. MK Wii is the competitive King while MK 8 will be the fun casual chaos the series is often known for and cited to be
*I really doubt anyone read this whole thing*
I feel bad that this isn't the top comment
I was late in making a comment, I watched the whole video before posting
@@chefdunsparce4254 Rip
I scroll down to see how long this comint is I see the I doubt anyone will read this all me now I have to read it all
just a quick nuance, but animal crossing city folk was on the wii, and the original animal crossing was on the gamecube, so it wasn’t strictly on handheld.
I think when making a compelling argument, you should bring reasoning that no one can really deny. Even a fanboy of the game that thinks logically should be able to agree with you. Like how you said the roster isn't amazing, I agree. It feels more like filler just for the sake of having a big number on the back of the cover. But, a lot of this video feels like you saying "I just don't like it" or "I prefer MKWii" which is completely understandable, but the title makes your points seem weak and subjective, instead of a solid objective point. Had it been "Why I don't like Mario Kart 8" then I wouldn't have an issue, but outright saying the game is overrated with subjective points isn't great. Especially when at 19:42 you say "tough luck" to prove your point. With that logic, this video shouldn't even exist because you can just say "tough luck" to yourself and stop the entire production of the video. Now, this isn't meant to be hate, rather criticism. I want to be able to agree with you, I want solid points that are undeniable, but I can't with the amount of subjectivity in it.
Nostalgia is an opinion, not a fact Nostalgia can blind people not to criticize what they love.
Agreed
Yeah, that "tough luck" part really made me shake my head
Exactly, at this point some of the points are just nitpicks
I agree with you, I prefer the Mario Kart 8 because is much more balance, making it fun for every one.
Also, I like that they added non-Mario characters
13:54 I do agree where Creepy's coming from when he says that the blue shell hitting everyone along the way to the person in first place kind of defeats the purpose, but I gotta say I kinda like it that way. In Mario Kart Wii, if you're in last place (or any other place that's at least 8th or lower,) and you have a blue shell, the shell flies up when thrown and soars over everybody until it hits the person in 1st, which is nice, but on the other hand, in Mario Kart 7 or 8, if you're in a bad place and you have a blue shell, hitting other people along the way is a bit better because not only it's going to get the person in first, but it's also slowing everyone else down, so that helps you a bit more. But don't get me wrong when i'm trying to get out the way of an incoming blue shell in MK7 and i can't dodge it it's annoying.
Yeah, in previous games the blue shell is useless to the person who gets it, but now you can actually feel good about getting one
Super Saiyan Weegee blue shells aren’t meant to help you but to make the race more interesting. And you can just use the shell and get the next item box and be fine
@@supersaiyanweegee5599 yeah honestly whenever I got a blue shell when I was in a bad place on the final lap in MKWii it just felt pointless
@@CosmicNexus_ Have you played MK64?
@@apagan0075 no I play mkwii
"This is genuinely some of worst argumentation I've heard in a long time" is what I would say if this was about you not just expressing your opinion but actually stating that one is better than the other. You're allowed to think what you want, and even though I personally disagree, there are still points you mentioned that I vibe with on a personal preference level.
uh, ok sure. then maybe don't have the clickbait title and general air of "FIGHT OVER THIS TOPIC"
I don't think Fire hopping can be compared to snaking imo, fire hopping feels one dimensional and shallow in comparison. Like you just spam hop for a slight speed boost and that's about it. Snaking on the other hand requires genuine practice and some players are/were better at snaking than the others, and the difficulty of snaking changed a lot depending on the track you were playing. It felt like the Mario kart of wavedashing.
I didn't knew SGM also played mario kart, the more you know
It’s nice to see you in the mario kart community shy guy mask
Oh, did not expect to see you here, but that’s cool
Fire hopping is one of those micro plays you can do to get a small advantage over other players. It’s not cheap, it’s just a good way to gain time in extremely small increments. I think tech that was high skill in Mario kart 8 was demon sliding, where you power slide in a “snaking” like way to preserve speed since power sliding is meant to preserve your speed when you do it. But I do agree with you that snaking is a high skill play that is really hard to optimize.
The biggest challenge to snaking was not getting carpal tunnel... just kidding it's impossible not to
Counter argument: In the footage of MK Wii, everyone is using a mach bike or flame runner. With the reduced stat variety, it lets players get creative with their vehicles without punishing them. It doesn't force players to stick to one vehicle.
You're not being creative cause it doesn't make any difference whatsoever.
You could agree with friends to all play in the Wario Bike and that causes some differences. A 9k+ VR player can create a new license and compete in WWs with the Prowler as a challenge to see how far they can go.
The idea that having something that looks different but does the same is creative is just dumb
@@doraemon402 then what's the issue? Either everyone has 1 bike that does the same thing or everyone has a variety of bikes and karts that all do the same thing. How is having more choice in your kart a bad thing
@@exetone the footage is (I'm assuming) emulated online competitive. Of course everyone's gonna use a a bike. IMO the kart selection should be like Mkds, every character has two specific karts for them, plus a "standard" kart and eventually you can unlock any car for any character.
@Jack Drill not all vehicles are the same in MK8 and as for the bike thing well I would say if you wanna stand a chance you gotta a choose bike still anyways.
If you played Mario kart 8 deluxe for a second online, half the room will be using mr. scooty or blittlybuggy
17:46 "I hate the lack of invincibility in MK8"
*Gets hit immediately out of Bullet Bill 🤣
which is dumb, bc MKWii litterally has lower i-frames than 8D. Dude has no clue what he's talking about.
Atleast MK Wii doesn't have double item slots that make you get hit every 8 seconds
@Luis Pena I never mentioned graphics performance once? What the hell are you on about?
@Luis Pena i-frames are invincibility frames, the amount of frames after getting hit by an item that you cannot get hit by another. MKWii has some of the lowest in the entire franchise
Getting two coins in deluxe is actually an online only glitch, when playing offline it is impossible to get two coins.
It's not realy a glitch, it's because the host console (switch online is p2p btw) haven't responded in a certain amount of time. When getting an item box, your console send to the host that you get one box, then the host will generate the item and send the response which is the item. When the host do not respond your console will just give you 2 coins and that's it ( this is why the roulette is long when you get 2 coins)
Which allows a useful strategy for ensuring you get an item to block with whilst in first.
Game: has unintended ultra shortcuts
Game makers: fixes them
Players: surprised pikachu face
@Derek Ashel ?
To be fair you got a point because it’s obvious Nintendo want the people to play their game they want you to play it so that’s why I think they over corrected lakitu
Derek Ashel I like unintended stuff too but for the developers it’s almost like a spit in the face in a way no matter how much people like it, and since Nintendo is a multi billion dollar company you bet they’re gonna let less shit slide when it comes to testing
Sayaka POG
@@themax2848 Say that to Pokemon Sword and Shield lmfaooo
Too bad Nintendo had to put that Excitebike advertisement in Mario Kart 8, that one was a real moneymaker.
Or that f-zero ad Nintendo is just hungry for those mean greens🤑 💰 💴 💵
CP makes a lot of valid points. He's mostly fair and reasonable. He doesn't throw around any pointless nasty words.
But one thing I noted was that he never seemed to address the fact that there are indeed Casual players. Mario Kart is a party game in root, not a completive game. Is has competitive because otherwise, the game is useless. But look at old games, like Double Dash (my fav). No online. It's pure party, and it's fun. Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and Mario Party (duh lol) are party games to enjoy with friends, and they get online verses mode to appeal to players that may not have friends, or just want to do something harder than single player. Because at the end of the day, I will admit. Single player is awful to play on repeat. There's no changing that.
Well said. I love MkWii, but I feel that the meta has become much too competitive for many people’s liking.
good point, but casual Mario Kart Wii is just as fun, if not more fun than MK8 in my opinion. The wifi competitiveness doesn’t harm the fun of casual couch games with friends
Double dash has LAN though
@@sophiedeergirl it has LAB to fulfill it's role as a party game. Otherwise, it would only be single player. LAN requires all participants are going through the same device, in a very small range. Compared to online play, which spans at least the country, LAN is just a small social event.
Nowadays I admit that the mkwii community is mostly made of competitive players and for most people that may be annoying but I played both with friends and When a guy who knows nothing about the game wins because the game gave him 6 red shells and you got a coin from the box...GL having fun
CreepyProduce: *tries to give arguments*
Also creepy produce: *gives biased opinions*
CreepyProduce: Makes good argument
Mk fanboys: Complain about said argument and don't even try to argue against what he said.
Face it he is right mk8 is overrated and is one of the worse kart racers.
@@vulgrim909 LOL
The majority of his arguments are based on "I don't like x thing very much"
@@DeVoidLij No it isn't, you didn't watch it did you?
He argued why mk8 wasnt liked much by mk wii players because of how bad the mechanics were, the character roster being bland and how its so forced casual that it makes no room for a skill ceiling of competitive play, that is the argument he made and the only thing you all respond with is well I prefer the bad character roster, the coin item, the forced casual play and thats fine if you do, it doesnt make it better than mk wii for people who want to test their skills
@@maersk3653 Whats biased and nostalgia based? This dude plays mk wii everyday, how is nostalgia based?
Every point he made was pretty spot on
@@vulgrim909 One of the worse kart racers might be pushing it a little. It’s definitely not perfect, but not one the worse kart racers. Calling MK8 one of the worse kart racers is essitenally putting it next to Garfield Kart and Ryan’s Race
I know I'm 5 days late, but He is saying; There is no diversity and they all feel the same, Then straight up saying that It doesn't matter if everyone plays the same vehicle in Mario I'm sensing a small amount of Bias here. :/
Diversity in options vs Diversity in decisions
You didn't listen to the whole argument. He's not saying that Wii is better just cause 8 has similar viechiles, he's saying that it doesn't improve anything from before and that having multiple viechiles that do the same thing is redundant.
Literally 2/3 of what he says is just flat out wrong or just moaning because the game is different than Wii lmao
In MKW people play the same vehicle by choice, but there are plenty of options. I myself am a Magikruiser/Bullet Bike main. I prefer to have more diversity in options, even if only 1/4 of them are viable, than having literally only 1 option since everything is pretty much the same.
@@RAAAAAHHHHHHH You're just a crybaby. I can assure you MK8DX will die before MKW does. And what's described in this video are the reasons why.
And, since you say two thirds of what's been said is wrong, please give examples. You know, to have some credibility.
1: " Battle mode didn't try hard enough"- Fair, if not an understatement.
"Deluxe's Battle mode is too much"- Activly wrong, indicative of someone who doesn't know what they want with a battle mode.
The control point about battle mode is the only real problem with the mode. The maps force you to think instead of being "Durr, giant square" or "Durr, giant circle." Even the basic ∞ shape adds more difficulty than 70% of all the previous BM Maps.
Each maps is also a great representative of it's theme. From the Splatoon maps being FPS-esk to the Dessert maps being crumpling cakes.
2: The point on crossover characters is also wrong, as people want all sorts of non-Mario characters in the game. From Pacman to Captain Falcon, adding them would be as exciting as any smash announcement.
And you wanting basically only Mario characters, would be nothing but clone characters besides the DK crew, as they (not including DK himself) aren't in the Mario universe.
That would mean no Funky Kong, no Diddy, no King K, etcetera. They're all guest characters from Donkey Kong's split universe.
It would also leave you with tons of Toad and Koopa clones if they did only do Mario characters. It would eliminate the need for Baby characters, but would still leave very few Heavy-weight characters. It would also over inflate the Light-weight and Medium-weight rosters.
The roster would be better if it had a hard limit of mainstays (say, 10 for example), replace the baby's with more NPC characters, and have a MAX of 5 crossover characters at launch with 5 more slots for future promotional characters or unlockable/voted clones/crossovers.
3: The Karts and Bikes aren't "Basically the same." They can be MADE that way, but I guarantee that you won't get a consistent place with the full Link get-up (Link, Master Bike, and Kite). There's no way you could even compete with the highest skilled players in 8 with what little you know about the game fundamentally, and refuse to put in the time to really understand. There's a ton of neat tec under the surface.
4: If you hate 8/Deluxe, then you'd loath the Mobile game as literally everything is exactly the same. I've been bumped by BABY characters ad a Heavy-weight online. And it's notorious for all the clone characters with their own special abilities.
Yeah, Mario Kart Tour's roaster would be great if the clones were JUST costumes
I'll be honest: People probably just want non-Mario characters in Mario Kart Because they want that series to have some form of racing game. Even though I'm not much of a fan of Animal Crossing, I do think it could stand to have its series of spin-off games(Racing, party, sports, etc) because it has that much of a diverse cast. Same with F-Zero, the fans just want another actual F-Zero game, so of course they'll latch to any fragmentation of their beloved series. As much as I want to have hope in that dream, I do honestly believe Nintendo would rather drain their wallets dry than answer their demands.
@@uberlord983 there's no real reason for Nintendo to be making racing games for all these little franchises that want one, it just won't be nearly as successful as Mario Kart
Great argument, but I disagree with the second point. It’s not fair to compare adding a character to smash as it is a character to Mario kart, cause smash isn’t a Mario game whereas Mario kart is.
I’m with creepy with the argument that only characters in the Mario universe would be in Mario kart, cause it looks weird and wrong seeing link race with Mario. Just because they’re owned by the same company doesn’t mean they should cross over for the sake of it. Zelda and Mario are such different genres, along with animal crossing, so consequently they don’t have a rightful place in a Mario game in my opinion. I came to Mario kart for Mario not Isabel.
I understand if people disagree but I don’t Mario kart to become Nintendo all starts racers, cause it isn’t that. It’s Mario Kart
@@matthaeus5373 That's fair, but that would still leave out characters like Funky Kong as he himself doesn't exist in the greater Mario universe. Limiting it only to Mario characters is far too limiting in terms of game design.
Alright, I understand where you're coming from and humbly respect your opinion. However I'm one who really loves Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and at least want to express why I disagree with some of the points you've made. This isn't factual or anything and I don't have any resentment against you. It's just me giving my own thoughts on things.
1. Characters - I mostly agree with you here, but clones aren't 100% wrong. For games like Mario Tennis Aces and, as mentioned, Mario Kart Wii there's still a small amount of clones. While MK8 overdid it with clones, I'm honestly fine with Dry Bowser & Metal Mario as they have some source of origin and also have unique animations and voices alongside stats.
2. Vehicles - Um. . .what? This is just flat-out hypocrisy. You did say Quality over Quantity, right? Mario Kart 8 still can have the player heavily alter the stats of their vehicle, but just not the abilities minus inside drifting for certain bikes. Mario Kart Wii, aside from the ability to wheelie for bikes only, is exactly alike Mario Kart 8. The differences are all stat based and even then only a few are really viable. The most popular picks are barely different except if they have inside drifting or not. Also something weird is that, despite you mentioning that characters should be cosmetic (which I agree with), then why are karts locked to weight classes of the characters? What if you wanted Mario to ride the Flame Runner or King Boo to ride in the Quacker? You can't do that, can you? It's an issue in Double Dash too but in that game the karts are at least more balanced. When things aren't balanced, you only see one or two vehicles anyways and even then the only viable choices barely have any differences anyways, so where's the ''diversity''? Also you severely undermine the stat customization in Mario Kart 8 as it's quite flexible and ISN'T ruined in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. In fact it's improved as it fixed a broken oversight in the original where half stats were ignored entirely (for example, if you had 4.5 speed then MK8 considers it 4 speed while MK8D sees it as 4.5 speed).
Also bikes still have inside drifting in MK8...and wheelies are honestly uncomfortable as the player needs to awkwardly press the d pad which is literally on the other side of the controller.
3. Items - Yeah, coins suck and same for only having one item slot. Other points tho. . .yikes. First off, items in Mario Kart Wii suffer from Sandbagging. 8 and 8 Deluxe improved the item system as it's distance based and not based on placement. So if you're right behind everyone else but are in last then a Bullet Bill or Shock is yours. You actually have to be BEHIND in Mario Kart 8 to get more powerful items. Also funny that you say that items are pure chaos in 8 when you're bloody playing Wii. Have you seen the item rates?! Multiple Blue Shells comes out per race and only target first place. Tell me, what advantage does the person who gets a Blue Shell have? At least in 8 it travelling along the ground can help it's user hit some players. Green Shells are just a little bigger in 8 too and don't home in so that's a lie. If anything they're more risky as it's easier to hit yourself. Red Shells also aren't AS common due to the distance based system and there's at least more items like the Boomerang and Super Horn that can deal with them. How can you even claim that you can use items for strategy if, at any random time, a POW Block can hit followed by a shock and a thousand more items. Wii is way more chaotic than 8 and the only reason why Online players can counteract being comboed for days is to abuse the bike's brokenness and boost while in place (which also makes acceleration useless). Even then that can't prevent the amount of knockback that's present and how slow Lakitu is! And the Thunder Cloud ''adding tension''? Technically the coin can do that too depending on the situation. Still hate them tho.
4. Online - I can't hate your opinion on the tracks even if Mario Kart 8 has a bunch of great tracks. Having the same tracks being picked over and over again is even an issue IN YOUR VIDEO, but Mario Kart 8 at least has variety and, compared to the sheer amount of crappy retro tracks in Wii, the map selection is much superior. If you have to resort to telling the player to ''suck it up'' when the same track is picked once again, they're gonna be quitting the game. And it's not even just one track either. Generally the community orbits a few select tracks (with a tiny bit of outliers) and that's all you're playing forever. It's that bad IMO. Also VR isn't rubber banded in 8 where you gain less and lose more if you're good at the game? And since Wii is much more rubbish in luck, it's VR is much worse. MK8's VR still represents skill quite a lot and I still get consistent wins and my VR goes up normally. And for Ultra Shortcuts? They utterly break the game and is why modern servers ban these shortcuts. People who just want to play Mario Kart normally shouldn't be forced to learn ultra shortcuts just to stand a chance and even then they're still skipping most of the track DESIGNED TO BE RACED ON. What if people like playing the game and want to stay on the road? Well you can't because Ultra Shortcuts are the only chance you have at winning. At least 64 doesn't have Online but even there there's a Glitchless category. Not like you can force that in Wii aside from banning certain shortcuts.
5. Content - Wii did have some cool challenges, but why in the world were they limited to a set period of time?! That and they require Online just to play them. What if you wanna revisit all the missions in Wii? What are you gonna do then? You can't because Nintendo said ''screw you'' and closed them forever. 8 definitely should have had more single player content, I won't deny that, but you severely underplay Mario Kart Wii's horrible treatment of it's Single Player Content. Also saying that Mario Kart 8 has no creativity...HAVE YOU SEEN THE THINGS ADDED TO THIS GAME AND THE TRACKS THEMSELVES?!
6. Battle Mode - Yeah, I won't defend 8's Battle Mode. But 8 Deluxe being ''gimmicky''? Wii is much more Gimmicky! Tracks like Delfino Pier and Block Plaza are much more gimmicky than any of Deluxe's maps. Yeah, the number is smaller but quality over quantity. Sweet Sweet Kingdom, does that even have any gimmicks? Battle Course 1 only had one added ramp and that's a large issue? If anything it makes it more interesting and, since ''red shells follow you so much'', can you really get out of danger's way?
7. Self Promotion - It's a crossover and mainly bonuses. There's so much effort put into them and they're fun, so what's the problem? That and Link was using his Skyward Sword design, which wasn't even on the Wii U so how is that self-promotion? The inclusion of Urchin Underpass is also not marketing in any way. It could have been a map from Splatoon 2 as it's out and still relevant, but instead it's a Splatoon 1 map that was included as a bonus. Compared to ROB who took up 1/15 of DS' roster, the crossover characters don't take up as much space and provide more content that's, you know, good. If Nintendo wanted to self-promote then they would have replaced the advertisements on the tracks with ones relevant to them. But no, instead it's cute in-universe products that don't exist IRL, fleshing out the universe of the Super Mario franchise. Tho the Mercedes Benz update is certainly asking for money, it's free. Just a harmless inclusion added; nothing wrong with that.
8. Other Things - Just some random stuff. First off snaking sucks as it's just very uncomfortable to input over and over again. And while it has a competitive community, it's not a fighting game. It's not on the same level as Melee. Isn't it a stretch to compare Wii to Melee, especially with all the horrible item balancing and how it's ''so item dependant''? 8 Deluxe doesn't try to shut off the competitive community as the tracks do have multiple optimisations in them and, not to mention actually have effort put into the retro tracks and each track has their own music.
Phew...sorry if I was way too harsh here; it's only my opinion, but there's just some things I don't quite get with your points in the video. But hey, what do I know? Also it's quite rude to diss Mario Kart's future as, despite Tour being a greedy cashgrab, the main console future is still bright and it's still what it's meant to be after all these years. Odd that you didn't address anything else about Wii's flaws such as the stupidly strict Ranking system for Grand Prixs and how you have to do perfect to unlock DAISY (a staple Mario character mind you) and Dry Bowser alongside some of the other karts and bikes. Dear lord. . .I think I'm done typing in nonsense. It's just my opinion and I likely made many stupid mistakes people are gonna reply to correct me on. We ain't all flawless lad. Just wanted to get out my thoughts.
You're completely right, don't worry about it
I read your entire comment and I 100% agree with you. Honestly this video just seems to me that’s hes mad that the bugs, glitches, and exploits from Wii aren’t in 8 just for the sake of competitive. Wii is overrated in my opinion and most people like it just for nostalgia. It’s a buggy game and 8 is way better than it but I just don’t understand why people wanna have bugs in their game. It’s quite hypocritical because when it happens with other games people complain and get mad for there being bugs.
I knew the video is a bit off, but I didn’t know what to say. I feel like 8 is slept upon by the community, which prefers 64, DD, Wii, somewhat SMK, and Tour of all things. Perhaps not as slept as DS, 7, and GBA, but if a mobile game has more steam, then you know the game is slept.
@@thealientree3821 tbh tour is gettin a BIT better but damn mk8dx rly gettin slept on? I thought it was still gettin some love..
A Mario kart wii player complains about item balancing on Mario kart 8, even thought Mario kart wii is considered one of the most unbalanced games in the series in terms of item... WHAT???
Considered, but anyone who has actually played the game knows that isn’t true. Chaotic isn’t the same as unbalanced.
@@matzahball1881 that's right
See its unbalanced but unbalanced in the way hes familiar with mk8 is worst cause its different
@@jknifgijdfui no, Mario Kart Wii's items are chaotic, whereas 8's / 8 Deluxe is unbalanced. Chaotic is fine, not unbalanced
@@The_Holy_Wooomy chaotic is unbalanced
I want to know what happened to that Among Us game
the world has to know
The world will never know about it sadly
Kringle Meem did eggman just make an announcement on his twitter.com or what
@Kringle Meem he did
So nobody’s gonna talk about how the people he was playing against every race weren’t just all Funky Kongs and Daisies?
okay then 💀
@@adifferentusername999 but thats diversity tho, and wdym? I see more characters than that in a race, all you see in mk wii is funky and daisy.
Alternate title: creepy produce gets Mario karted for 44 minutes
32:25 Lmao dude this isn’t self promotion, Nintendo loves to reference other franchises!
Edit: Sorry for not being nicer. I should’ve. I should Love thy neighbor
"Characters no one asked for, like the Koopalings"
Me, a Lemmy main in both SSBU and MK8D: :'
bro i play as ludwig all the time
giving u solidarity as a Morton main in both games 😔
@@jockjupiter8326 we gotta stick together out here guys
I always use Lakitu on MK7, MK8U and MK8D, because I just like that little guy.
Yes, I know that literally everyone hates/not used him because people say that his voice is pretty annoying (and I can totally see that). But personally I found nothing wrong with him, and I just like playing as him.
Feels good to beat the meta (Blue Falcon Mortons for 8U, Biddybuggy Roys for 8D) as Lakitu.
Me, a fan of the baby characters:
The only reason you would ever get double coins or just mushrooms is due to connection issues, it will usually happen if someone has horrible wifi or connection and they lag the lobby.
happens on single player too
@@DrLifeGamer actually, no. that's not possible. like i said, that issue is because of connection issues, when playing alone, you aren't connected to wifi, you're playing with cpu's, there's no way possible that can happen.
@@elena-bs3nw I guess I have a virus on my Switch that changes the MK8D code every update to make double items possible.
It’s still a problem.
@@elena-bs3nw I guess shiggy personally took a dump on my switch before it left the factory then because I get double coins ALL. THE. TIME
You clearly played the game for 5 hours and said fuck this
16:03 "Mario Kart Wii is way more balanced, trust me"
The irony
mario kart wii is a frustrating broken mess
@@donkey1840 ha lol, the so is 8. the item distribution in 8 is very broken.
@@benjaminbourgeois7584 ive played both and the difference is night and day lol
The immunity frames in 8 Deluxe are so insane, I dodged a blue shell with a banana.
A F***ING BANANA
Lmao anyone realize how unlucky he was in like all these races
Pain
The MK8 gods were punishing him
İts MKWİİ thats normal
He might suck (like me) at the game
that's literally how mkwii plays out for everyone, game is subtly ass
12:57. This only happens because of lag. In normal circumstances, the game guarantees you a defense item in your second slot if your first has a coin.
it's a very very rare occurrence but it sucks so much when it happens
Basically, it's 44 minutes of "It's bad, because it's not MKWii, I like MKWii, so everything that's not MKWii is bad, because I don't like it."
@Kirbyex7 he’s right
As a fan of both MKWii and MK8/MK8DX, I wanted to address a few of your points and give an alternative take:
The new VR system has its pros and cons. I do miss the grind to 9999VR, but the thing is that once I reached 9999VR in MKWii, I wasn't motivated to keep playing. I think MK8's system avoids this problem.
The limited course choice online is a good thing imo, it's pretty much just adopting a system that was already the standard in other games. I find it more streamlined/less choice-paralysis-inducing to pick from 3 courses rather than 32. I don't think it's really true to say that MKWii let you play the tracks you want to play, unless you liked playing Luigi Circuit every other race.
I like the fact that dragging items behind you no longer counts as using the item. I found front-running much easier in MKWii because you could have so many defensive items at once - MK8 makes races more interesting. MK8DX slightly reintroduced the problem by having 2 item slots, but that's where coins come in. Speaking of which...
I think coins (and double items) in MK8DX are fantastic because they add in a bunch of mind games. Whoever's in first place will probably go for a double item if they don't have an item (especially as this is the only way to guarantee a defensive item). But the double items are normally slower to get, so first place might take a gamble on the inside line, especially if they have an item already. If there's 2 of you right behind first place, which box do you go for? You can also pretend to go for a single box, then swerve to get the double at the last second. Bearing in mind also that you can kind of see what items the people in front of you have, almost every race throws up some funky mind games in my experience.
Blue shells going along the ground are also a good change overall imo because it means the person using it can try to take out the racers right in front of them. In MKWii, it often feels like blue shells don't help you out at all. Similarly, the buffed blooper is surely a good thing? Everyone knows that the blooper is completely useless in MKWii. It's not like it's broken in MK8.
I completely respect your opinions though (and I agree with many of your other points). Just wanted to offer up some defence of MK8 :)
EDIT: by the way, I don't know how you got a recording of me at 34:04 but I don't appreciate you using it without my permission
I don't know what rooms you play in but I get LC like once every 25 races.
What do you mean he got a recording of you? If you mean in Mario kart Wii, there would be no way to get permission. It’s an online game, he can’t contact everyone he plays with when he needs to record.
what are you talking about?
@@matzahball1881 lmao I'm just referencing his 'oh creepyproduce, what about ROB?' line
@@doraemon402 Fair enough - I'm basing this on my experience with MKWii as it was back in the day. I can see that in 2020 the course choice aspect has changed a lot (especially with CTGP)
Well,at least it´s not Mario Kart Tour.Through I refuse to consider MKT a "Mario Kart"
Wdym, that game is great
Is the ultimate version of "If EA made Mario kart", who didn't want that!?
@Barak Dosunmu whooosh
@Barak Dosunmu got it, sorry for the dirt
I feel that. I watched a video about it before I went to get it, and decided not to get it when the guy showed that not steering and holding down accelerate got him 4th place in a 12 man race.
me to
Just some points. As someone who enjoys both Mario Kart Wii and 8 just for my perspective on your points:
Character Roster in 8 definitely isn't great though I'll defend non Mario characters as they were in a high demand and will defend Dry Bowser as he is clone but he has unique animation and model is vastly different compared to Marios and Peachs clones.
Inside Bikes exist in 8 granted I don't think there is enough (only 5). And I main the Jet Bike in both 8 and 8 Deluxe. Its a bit nerfed in that theres an outside drift startup but it still gives off a different experience at least I think.
As for Balance vs. Diversity its a touchy subject as Mario Kart has never been balanced HOWEVER I understand nerfing Bikes and making it similar as to avoid powercreep because itll be an endless cycle
8 Deluxe also added more differences to the vehicles not make them more the same.
I will defend the 1 slot system in MK8 as it also changed that only Lightning Bolt can remove items from that slot unless you hold it. It adds a layer on wanting to hold an item if you are in a pack so you don't have to react to fast or save it in the slot to keep it for the inevitable Red Shell. I won't defend the Coin. It ruins the system 8 had.
Should note 8 Deluxe its only possible to get double coins if the online server can't register the item you get fast enough so it sets on 2 coins as a fail safe. That's more Nintendo online fault. If you have a Coin, you can't get another one in your 2nd slot
I will also defend Blue Shell on the ground as it actually makes it beneficial for the user. Blue Shells almost do nothing for the person using it durinh the late stages and just shakes up the front. Now it does it with the potential of hitting others so you gain an actual advantage. Not to mention Blue Shell damage is far weaker than it has been in any Mario Kart. Blooper buff needed to happen as it does nothing except hinder CPUs
In terms of 8 Deluxe the item distrubtion is definitely wack (Bob-ombs in 1st is dumb) BUT the first row of items won't have a Double Item Box unless its Piranha Plant Pipeway and their placements aren't random and are usually in harder to reach places or outside of corners to lose track position. Could've been done better though.
The limit to 3 tracks doesn't apply to playing with friends but this was done because Mario Kart 7 was constantly spammed with SNES Rainbow Road and its actually jarring. A cooldown for track selection you bring up would be a great idea.
Mario Kart 8 used to be harsh with losing VR and there was a backlash at so I understand why Deluxe didn't do it. Granted most competitive players do Tournament mode any way which can highlight skill with its point system.
I agree with a lack of Single Player content. Its tough luck if you don't like Race. Mario Kart Wii however I think is also guilty of this as you had to be online for 1 mission and THATS IT its just as bad as Mario Kart 8.
One virtue of MK8 battle. I actually liked how Balloon Battle handled as they brought back the elimination from DS prior. Sad MK8 Deluxe didn't keep it. I can see your point on MK8 Deluxe battle stages but I think the Glider ramp is fine on BC 1.
Again I think the "advertisement" is fine. Mercedes might be pushing it but I like the blur from Mario Kart to real cars but I can see how it can be ruined from other perspective.
As for Skill Ceiling. 8 isn't that high I agree but Coins is meant to be separation from Competitive and Casual as not going Coins hurts you in the long run, granted combined with the wack items on 8 Deluxe it doesn't work too well.
In terms of pandering to newcomers I agree completely it should be options and not hinder competitive players. Elevate tge newcomers not nerf the experience. This is my opposite position of powercreep.
In terms of Item dependency, its a weird topic as it seems separated. The front runners, item doesn't seem to matter except for Red Shell. While the backrow is completely hectic.
Wow
Once I got a STAR and GOLDEN MUSHROOM in 2nd. And a Bullet Bill in 3rd. Broken man.
Best comment in here
@@SuperBloxTube The items you get in 8/Deluxe are dependent on your distance from 1st place. That's why 200cc races are so hectic and crazy.
Nerfing bikes is wrong, you gotta make karts better. Op bikes are what keep this game alive. Imagine having both op karts and op bikes.
And your comments about backlash and demand are... complex, to say the least. Who made those demands? Who complained? Cause it's not the same if 10 year olds' moms complain or if people who play the game a lot complain. Cause, when it comes to VR, for example, what CP says is 100% correct. Playing more will give you higher VR than playing well, which, no matter how you look at it, is not quite fair.
Damn shame that Nintendo keeps shamelessly advertising their new Excitebike and F-Zero games…
I don’t think advertisment is the right word. These guys are just fun little characters they added. Ain’t nobody bought splatoon or a Mercedes cause of Mario kart. Now having said that I get wanting more Mario characters instead cause they’re a lot of characters in the series who need some spot light. And that coming from a guy who likes the Kooplings!
Edit: the Mercedes was def advertisment. But still......
The mercedes was cool. Adding non-mario characters was horrible. Atleast karts based on other nintendo games is great enough.
Tracke based on other nintendo games, I'm indifferent. Positive is they feel like legal custom tracks but negative is they're not mario tracks. But atleast they can be fun.
I don’t really follow your logic. Karts and stages from different series your okay with. But characters your not? It’s all in the same boat to me. Karts and Characters are customizations of your play style and tracks do a similar thing of (I guess) showing off another series. I don’t see much of a difference between them. Not saying your wrong I just don’t get it.
@@jimfitzgerald2289 does adding non-mario characters take away from what makes mario kart, mario kart? no. mario kart is merely a fun kart racing game, with the addition of mario characters. adding other nintendo characters doesn't detract from the gameplay.
also, since when have the majority of tracks been mario related? sure, they may be named after a mario character, but tracks like coconut mall, music park, or sunshine airport have nothing to do with the mario franchise
@@zach_ncheese
Coconut Mall = A mall based on Super Mario Sunshine.
Music Park = Those music level areas from Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario 3D Land.
Sunshine Airport = Again an airport based on Super Mario Sunshine. It even has N64 Koope Troopa Beach at the background for christ sakes.
You want more? Give me more track names and I'll tell you which mario game they are related.
Of course non-mario characters don't affect the gameplay. Except they feel off to be in the game anyways and even use up space from the roster for other mario characters like Birdo and Diddy Kong. Come on, Mii was just a fun addition Nintendo added to their games since the Wii era so IDGAF about them. R.O.B, I just consider him part of every single nintendo game's universe. Just a robot that can exist in any game for the heck of it so it didn't matter me much.
Again it has MARIO Kart. Its not like you will create another NSMB game and slap starfox characters in them. Easter eggs are fine because, easter.
@Muse Suse That was just a dumbass rumor. Melee was the game that Sega wanted to add Sonic in but couldn't because Melee was almost finished.
Mario Kart 8 competive scene just feels underappreciated. I could say the same thing to Deluxe, but slowly its getting recognition like the one in Las Vegas.
@Luis Pena u guys must be so diverse using funky kong flame runner
@Luis Pena Luigi on Mach Bike
2:15 As a MK8 player, the Ice Ice outpost shortcuts are hell and only skilled players can perform them
Nah, I'm not that good at the game and I can do them in 200cc
@@ramirosandoval41 You're a lot better than you think
i attempt at the short cut and get it everytume
Agree, is too hard even in 150cc
The ice ice outpost shortcuts might be hard compared to MK8's shortcuts, but it nothing against many shortcuts in MKWii. Example: The Rainbow Road ultra shoortcut is so incredibly difficult to do that only a few people have ever pulled it off.
I stopped watching and just went to read the comments after he said “tough luck”. I could not stand anymore after that very compelling argument.
yeah because you are too much of a biased mk8 fanboy to actually listen to an argument
@@vulgrim909 (TL:DR below in case you don’t feel like reading my rant) What part of my comment gives you the idea I’m a MK8 fanboy? I really couldn’t care less about which game is better competitively and whatever.
But if he’s going to present this video as if it’s factual, then he needs to be prepared when his “facts” are criticized for being opinions, or just flatout wrong. There are plenty of comments debunking and correcting many of the points made in this video. And judging by those comments, I didn’t miss out on much only watching half of the video.
About my point specifically, on his argument of “tough luck”... that’s not a good argument. It’s a way of getting out of any discussion. If we’re going by his logic, every point he made in this video can be destroyed instantly by anyone, just by replying “tough luck”.
Less variety in kart stats? Well tough luck, deal with it.
Blue shell hits other players while heading to first place? Tough luck! Get better at avoiding it or don’t play.
Inklings and Zelda in Mario Kart is just Nintendo grossly advertising their other IPs? Well tough luck, just don’t play as them I guess!
You can only pick 3 maps at a time while online, meaning you don’t always get to pick the track you want? Well tough luck I suppose, looks like you just gotta play on a different course this time! (This is actually the perfect counter-argument to his original “tough luck” point in the first place, as it was about map selection while playing online)
My longwinded point is this; a TL:DR if you will-
CreepyProduce obviously has an insane bias against MK8. And that’s perfectly fine! But when discussing it, he needs to make sure his points are factual, have a basis, and aren’t overly opinionated. This video is all over the place and really could have benefited from more research, and more structure. Maybe then I would have cared enough to watch it all the way through.
@@justyourbud He didn't even say tough luck that much, he probably only said it once, it sounds like you have a bias against him because he along with others are criticizing a game you like, just actually watch the video, he makes good points and counter arguments, its not just tough luck.
His best points are criticizing the character roster, the coin item (seriously that item suck) the nerfed bikes making every vehicle the same, the mechanics and etc its pretty compelling if you actually listened.
@Jack Drill Nope I’ve been stuck in bed ever since
@@vulgrim909 Once was enough for me to realize his arguments are too flawed for me to care anymore. I genuinely wanted to enjoy this; the only reason I watched this in the first place is because I was interested in hearing a different perspective, but the whole format of the video just feels half-assed and all over. Like, MK8 clearly has its own dedicated competitive community, so why didn’t he ask them why they enjoy the game? Or if everything he said was correct? Or maybe even learn some new strategies unique to MK8 (because surprise, it’s a new game so there’s bound to be differences when learning to play it competitively)
And again, I made it about halfway through the video (to the part where he says tough luck, which was his argument against the online multiplayer map selection) so I heard his arguments for all of those things (meaning I’ve basically seen the best parts of the video then, I suppose?) and as I said, people have managed to counter most of those points in some way, whether it’s debunking them entirely or just providing a different perspective. (Like him saying there’s NO inline bikes whatsoever, when there is)
I have nothing against this dude (literally have no idea who he is other than this video) and nothing against MKWii, nor do I love MK8 to death (I personally prefer CTRNF a LOT more than both, but that’s irrelevant) I just feel like the way he presented this video was a little... messy. I prefer scripted, analytical deep dives when it comes to these types of videos, so it just wasn’t really my thing. “Tough luck” was just the straw that broke the camels back, since this was clearly a much more opinionated video than I had expected when I clicked. I do personally prefer the mechanics and updates in MK8, and that’s my opinion. He prefers MKWii, and that’s his opinion, and I can respect that. But he presents this video (titling it the way it is) as if everybody who prefers MK8 is WRONG and that the game is too hyped up and everyone should enjoy Wii instead because “it doesn’t have coins” or “the karts are more diverse”. At least that’s how I read into it. I could go into why I prefer a lot of the mechanics in MK8, but frankly I’m just not that interested in getting into it. I’d prefer to just say that this video is horribly flawed and leave it at that. If he’s made/ever makes a much more organized and better researched video on the topic, I’ll gladly give it another shot. But this video hasn’t convinced me.
Hey! Mario Kart 8 Deluxe competitive player here! Thanks for making this video, I really like when people from the MK community come out and speak about why they don't find some games particularly enjoyable, and although I don't agree with some points you made I definetly agree in most things that you talked about.
That Said, I think that Mario Kart 8 / Deluxe although they aren't as technical as Mario Kart Wii they are still really interesting games in their own right, because it might surprise some people but both MK8 and MK8D have a lot of tech that comes directly from MKW, Delay drifting (Although we call it Neutral Hoping), Soft Drifting, Low tricking, Low Glider, MT Trick, etc. I'm not trying to argue that these games even reach the heights that MKW does in that regard which they simply don't but even if they don't have as much tech I think that the depth in those games comes specifically from item usage, knowing when to use items and how it's crucial because backing a green shell or not can be a question of life and death sometimes and that makes the game really strategy based and makes watching clan wars at top play just so interesting, in some discussions I had after watching this video with some friends that were apparently MKW competitive players (Sage Although you might know him as Sean) I heard that things like that aren't really present in MKW, because TCs make item usage in the front pretty much non existent. I also play sometimes against MKW players in MK8D wars and sometimes I notice that they use their items really fast which actually tends to be a really uncommon thing in competitive because you tend to keep your items for yourself and make the best use of them.
I honestly think that MKW and MK8 are different types of games, and that's fine, I think that MK8 and MKW are both really good games and I'm also kind of tired of seeing people bullshit other games because they don't like them, I get it it's a personal thing but really I just don't think this is the best way to make the MK community a better place.
12:52 btw the stupidiest thing there is actually you cherrypicking because that only happens with item lag, its not intended to happen in game and besides item lag is a really rare thing
referring to mk wii as technical or talking about "the heights that MKW does" is giving the game a bit too much credit i feel
@@lounowell4171 I mean it does have a lot of tech tho right?
Well, you could say that vehicle customization is just for some visual-variety if not anything else. Yeah, the vehicles are basically all the same, but at the other end, most of Mario Kart Wwii's vehicles are unbalanced so theres little reason to just not use what works. So why even have different vehicles? Well, to have variety and be able to play something different right? Just like Mario Kart 8. At least in 8 you have more incentive to play with different karts since they control mostly the same.
Not saying that it isn't a problem of course, but I really feel that its more of a problem in Wii than 8.
If they all play the same, choosing another vehicle is not playing "something different" cause it plays the same.
In MKW you can set up an only karts room, for example. Which will make it very different. You just can't do that on MK8 cause they all play the same.
20:06 intentional or not, that bomb snipe was sick
CreepyProduce:"why do you get coins there so useless?"
That's the point of them they are meant to balance the person in first and they do make you a tad faster
That’s what the fib is for
The problem with the coins is that you need them to win, they aren't just an extra. With 0 coins you're as fast a mobility scooter
Coins also give you more speed and can give you a guaranteed chance to get a defensive item if it's in the first slot
It might be bad but it's not entirely useless
Okay, but, hear me out:
A Mario Kart game with the entire roster from Mario Kart Wii, Mario Kart 8, and Mario Kart Tour, but all the duplicates and costumes are just skins, just like the different Yoshi and Shy Guy colors.
And the koopalings are skins of bowser Jr. Just like in smash
@@Aureus07 no they are already ruined in smash and are to different to be alts in Mario kart. They are not Bowser Jr
I would prefer that but you'd have to take some charaters out. But sure, considering Tanuki Mario and Mario different characters is just wrong. Especially when in others games you see the regular one become the skin with a powerup.
"why do you like mkwii?"
*_b i k e_*
Basicly this generation’s old head.
Stony Ark yes
@Stony Ark for a wildly unscripted video, it's messy. Some points hit but others seem to be drawn out rambling where bias creeps in more
@FuckOuttaHere not always
The thing with this is that I disagree with the nerfing bikes is bad argument. I compare the removing feature of bikes like nerfing meta knight in brawl. If the core feature is too broken it reduces the chances of people using other smash characters, or karts.
I can say the same, in MKW everyone in online would use the same vehicles and bikes because there's no point of using the others if they are bad or not that great. But in MK8 every car and bike (or at least most of them) can be used. For me MKW was just too competitive while MK8 is more casual
It is generally better to buff instead of nerf. If the most powerful vehicles in the game are also the most fun vehicles in the game, nerfing them to the ground does not make sense.
They should have instead buffed the less viable and less fun vehicles - the karts. That way, the bikes remain fun to use, and the karts become also more fun to use. Fun is a much more important factor than balance. As Reggie said: "If it's not fun, why bother?"
Most of Mario Kart 8's problems were problems Mario Kart 7 introduced.
Mk7 had way better vehicles than mk8 and a better roster imo(less characters but a lot less clones) but yeah I pretty much agree
@@jamescarrotcsl8 what's the difference in the vehicles? But while MK8's roster was disappointing, I don't think it was as bad as MK7, because at least MK8 had Waluigi in it, plus it didn't have so many "out there" characters like Wiggler and Honey Queen.
@@malakai9738 Yes. Mario Kart 7 has for me the worst character roster from all Mario Kart games. Even worse than in Super Mario Kart.
@@MittChPlay if you take innovation into consideration, then yes.
malakai hewitt You can feel the different stats in 7 a lot more from what I remember. Not as varied in feel as Wii's but more than 8's.
"It's not Mario Kart Wii"
You just explained this intire video in less than 1 minute.
Yeah
That's not even his argument...
@@Dragular it mostly is lol he made one point that u are able to pick only 3 tracks in mk8 when a lot of wii players would pick rainbow road over and over it got pretty annoying
@@donkey1840 Where did he make that point?
I really hope that in the next Mario Kart game we can get the entirety of Mario Kart Tour's roster (excluding the costume clone characters). The roster of Mario Kart Tour is genuinely really good. You got the entirely of both Mario Kart Wii and Mario Kart 8's rosters besides some of the clones and the crossover characters plus some entirely new characters, including some really highly requested characters like Pauline, Dixie Kong, Nabbit, King Bob-omb, etc.. It'd be a perfect roster for the next Mario Kart game. Like, even if Mario Kart Tour gets a bad rap for being microtransaction filled and whatnot, you gotta admit its roster is the best of both worlds and then some.
That was about the only good thing MKT had admittedly
Here me out: instead of unlockable characters/karts/gliders, next Mario kart we unlock skins for existing items
Nah, I agree with Creepy, quality over quantity.
@@matzahball1881 Yeah I guess they could probably cut some characters, but mostly just the lazy characters that don't need to exist like some of the babies, Pink Gold Peach, and those other characters nobody really wanted.
Yeah, and maybe some of the tracks too, those were actually pretty alright (tho it would probably be super unlikely)
I was briefly on a competitive mk8dx team and the strategy with the kart pieces is much much much more diverse than you give it credit for. There would only be two players at most in 1 game with the same character and kart. Carts have their strengths and bikes have their strengths.
Slightly worse stats are still viable depending on the track or your play style
I’m waiting for the Re: Mario Kart Wii is actually overrated essay video made by someone else
Finally someone that gets it
"Isabella"
I spent *a lot* of time trying to find a Mario kart character named Isabella
Then i realized he was talking about Animal Crossing Isabelle
Wat'cha doin'?
@@Gametoon05 Plot twist, he actually mixed up Animal Crossing with Phineas and Ferb
@@RamseyMikati ah yes the SIMP
@@Gametoon05 oh I'm soooooooo gonna bust them
I've been waiting for this *Mario Kart 8 Arc* for a while now
Remember, Arcs will never be complete.
If you think Mario Kart 8 is overrated, then you are overrated. 🗿
You make some good points but a lot of what you say sounds like hard bias to me. You mention a lot of things you don't like but aren't necessarily bad or just don't see the good in it. What ruins either version of competitive Mario Kart 8 is the unbalanced item distribution but the rest of it is solid.
This really comes across like your overwhelming preference for mario kart Wii is biasing you against 8.
what? preferring mkwii over mk8 makes him prefer mkwii over mk8?
@@Pond-King @Oliver Leahy @Oliver Leahy His affection for mkwii results in him making ridiculous leaps of logic to try and criticise decisions made in mk8 and justifying contrasting (or in some cases similar) decisions in Wii
-the roster is worse in 8 despite being the same roster as Wii but with koopalings and metal characters
-it was better in Wii when everyone was just using the same bike. It's worse that karts and bikes are now more balanced in 8 because it means choice doesn't matter (except tires and kart size and the type of bike clearly do have differences to them)
-item use is too chaotic in 8 (while showing footage of him going from 1st to 12th in Wii on the final stretch)
-it was better when you got the blue shell in Wii and it only affected the driver in first place, rather than in 8 when it affects all those on front of you (bearing in mind you get the blue shell when you're at the back of the pack)
-the dlc is bad because it's self promotion (for franchises like fzero and excitebike that haven't had a release since the release of mkwii let alone 8) but Rob and the miis are fine for some reason
-smart steering and auto accelerate are stupid inclusions (anyone who's ever played with people new to videogames or young kids will tell you how useful these features are to help them get started with the game)
@@samusarmada Mario kart wii Is a good game so is 8 People ha w their own opinions so who cares.
dude's talking about vehicle variety when there's literally no reason to not use a bike in Wii
That's exactly the point he makes. You can set up a kart room, you can set up and outside drift room. You've got variety by choice or as a challenge.
In MK8 there's just no variety cause they all play the same. Having two things that look different but do the same doesn't create variety
@@doraemon402 I'm just going through some comments and keep seeing you on here. A real MKW warrior, huh? XD
@@anactualrooster7706 Facts. I'm reading the comments and he's almost in every comment and the shit he says literally makes no sense. Is he having a stroke or something
@@doraemon402 I’d like to refute that. In Mario Kart Wii because bikes are so overpowered everyone will prefer to use bikes over karts but in Mario kart 8 they are balanced and more polished and fair so people would be more open to use any of the vehicles what’s the point of variety if everyone is just gonna go for the obvious advantage (the bikes) but in Mario kart 8 you can use both the karts and the bikes making people more open to use different selections while having more polished and fair controls so in the end having more fair and polished and actually open up more opportunity for players to want to use both bikes and karts while Mario kart Wii will make players want to go only for the bikes which eliminates the point of variety and it’s more unfair and broken if you try to play it with your friends who is inexperienced it’s more unfair for them in Mario kart Wii making the experience less fun.
@@user-nn5dh3cs9s Yeah but it makes it generic, whats the point if you are gonna make it all the same, it adds less replay value and exciting gameplay, they could have also buffed the Karts with something to compete against the Bikes, make there a reason to use Karts.
I like how he says that mk8 is overrated while his favourite is the most overrated one
Yeah i like MKWii but honestly Mk8 is miles ahead on so many levels: especially balancing and tracks (i mean i just get frustrated when i get destroyed in MkWii by someone that got lucky items or used an ultra shortcut that SHOULDNT be there). What i mean is that MKWii has become inaccessible
@@julienlevesque5366 Yup
If anything mkwii is underrated if the reviews or this comment section has anything to say about it.
Really the overrated mario karts are 8 and ds, mkwii has a pretty small community
@@julienlevesque5366 If it was inaccessible then it wouldnt have a dedicated small community of people who still play it even after wfc shut off, when Nintendo pulls the plug on mk8 and mk7, mkwii will have a bigger dedicated community and all of you normies will just move onto the next generic kart racer Nintendo makes.
@@vulgrim909 As I can see, you are part of the people who believe MkWii is the fucking god of video games and can't just accept that Mk8 (especially DX) is a game way better in ALMOST every way