Worst GPU: Radeon RX 6500 XT Review, Corner Cutting Edition
Вставка
- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- Support us on Patreon: / hardwareunboxed
Join us on Floatplane: www.floatplane.com/channel/Ha...
Buy relevant products from Amazon, Newegg and others below:
Radeon RX 6500 XT - geni.us/dym2r
Radeon RX 6600 - geni.us/cCrY
Radeon RX 6600 XT - geni.us/aPMwG
Radeon RX 6700 XT - geni.us/3b7PJub
Radeon RX 6800 - geni.us/Ps1fpex
Radeon RX 6800 XT - geni.us/yxrJUJm
Radeon RX 6900 XT - geni.us/5baeGU
GeForce RTX 3050 - geni.us/fF9YeC
GeForce RTX 3060 - geni.us/MQT2VG
GeForce RTX 3060 Ti - geni.us/yqtTGn3
GeForce RTX 3070 - geni.us/Kfso1
GeForce RTX 3080 - geni.us/7xgj
GeForce RTX 3090 - geni.us/R8gg
Video Index:
00:00 - Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed
03:07 - Specs & Test System
04:13 - Assassin's Creed Valhalla
05:38 - Shadow of the Tomb Raider
07:12 - Watch Dogs: Legion
07:58 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege
10:43 - F1 2021
11:40 - Horizon Zero Dawn
12:26 - Far Cry 6
13:12 - DOOM Eternal
14:33 - Resident Evil Village
15:22 - Death Stranding
15:43 - Hitman 3
16:15 - Cyberpunk 2077
16:48 - Power Consumption
17:23 - 12 Game Average
18:28 - Cost per frame MSRP
19:18 - Cost per frame eBay Pricing
20:31 - Wishful Thinking
21:40 - Resizable BAR
22:32 - Preset Scaling, Rainbow Six Siege Vulkan
23:04 - Preset Scaling, Rainbow Six Siege DX11
23:21 - Preset Scaling, Watch Dogs Legion
24:17 - Preset Scaling, F1 2021
24:54 - Preset Scaling, Shadow of the Tomb Raider
25:28 - Final Thoughts
Read it on TechSpot: www.techspot.com/review/2398-...
AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Review
Disclaimer: Any pricing information shown or mentioned in this video was accurate at the time of video production, and may have since changed
Disclosure: As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases. We may also earn a commission on some sales made through other store links
FOLLOW US IN THESE PLACES FOR UPDATES
Twitter - / hardwareunboxed
Facebook - / hardwareunboxed
Instagram - / hardwareunboxed
Music By: / lakeyinspired - Наука та технологія
At this point, I'll just keep my RX 480 forever
Same
Its still Great. Have still my ROG Strix RX480 in collections 🙂
Yes, my ryzen 1600/rx 480 will have to last for a while more
I wanted to buy this temporarily to upgrade from my 1050ti and upgrade to a 4070 later, but it's too bad.
Polaris, the eternal GPU.
This "anything goes" mentality from GPU manufacturers is so consistently disgusting that it is no longer a surprise at this point.
Capitalism, greed. Empty promises, wanting creed. Cutting corners, and pretending to care about us mourners. We've all been duped-run through a loop. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Don't care and don't shame.
@@smugmode nice copypasta
@@cosmic_gate476 it's OC actually. Just having a little fun
Agreed.
But even more disgusting is the fact that some consumers and tech media are favorable to that mentality and even go as far as trying to convince others to think that that kinda crappy product is fine right now because of market conditions.
@@jonas_bento Moore’s Law Is Dead just did exactly that in his latest video, and instantly made me lose a whole lot of respect for him.
My first reaction was "how could it be worse than the gddr4 1030 refresh?" then I remembered Nvidia didn't charge what's looking to be close to $300 for it.
Oh I don't know, I'd say that one is more or less on par with this. In fact, that one was even more misleading, and in terms of bang per buck, it was still really incredibly awful at the time, even if it was a lot cheaper than the 6500 XT is now. Remember, there were cheap RX 570's and 580's available at the time that the gddr4 1030 was being sold.
You wish this card was 300 its more like 400-450.
@@tilburg8683 You can pick it up for 275$ right now.
@n k I guess you must be in Australia, Europe, Canada or somewhere else?
Both 1030 and 6500xt have 64bit bus. HD 5670 had 128 bit bus 12 years ago lol
Absolutely mind boggling that we are moving backwards with this generation. The RX 5500 XT 8GB and RX 580 GB were both generational improvements in this segment, and amd squeezed another 10-20% performance out of the rx5500xt with driver updates, later placing it above the rx 590 often times. Now we are stuck with this pcie x4 lane garbage with a 64 bit memory bus. Looks like amd took a laptop gpu and is selling it for desktop card prices.
Edit:
Yeah, no shit the market is fucked people. Nvidia is going to manage to put out a non-shit card somehow in the rtx 3050 for $250. Scalpers/miners are going to buy it and the 6500 endlessly no matter what, so it hardly matters. Amd may as well take a slice of the profiteering cake with this generational regression. It just sucks its come to this. In a year to a year and a half once lots of new fab capacity comes online, this card will quietly slip away into the anals of shit gpu value history.
The 6500XT cannot saturate a 4x lane, even at gen3. The actual bottleneck is the latency, gen4 is much faster than gen3.
Well welcome to the shortages... if they'd make the 5500XT it'd probably be 350$ or so because everything just costs 50%+ more. And yes they took a laptop die.
Yea dumb dumb what do you expect them to do in the middle of a chip shortage and pandemic? Come out with a great value budget gpu? My old rx570 8gb is selling for over $400 on eBay at the moment. You people and these youtubers need to wake up and smell the roses. Stop comparing gpus launched in2017 and their cost to performance at launch to something being launched in the middle of a chip shortage and a global pandemic.
@@danishblunt9698 I swear you dingdongs actually think amd, nvidia, intel, etc have an obligation to do what's best for their customers and not themselves. That's what's absolutely mind boggling.
@@757Bricksquad if they just wanted profit they would go the nvidia route and make a good budget mining card and introduce another overpriced excellent top tier mining card.
27:46 imo sums it up perfectly - limit one or the other if you *must*, but both is just silly.
Surprised to see you here man...love your videos...
Oh hey, it's Oz.
Last time I've seen you you had 500ish subscribers
Hey Ozzy! Hope you're doing well dude!
So that's the tldr (or tldw) of this video? So it's what they showed in the 5500 video a few days ago? And all the for 300€ instead of 199?
That's not what I wanted to hear :-D
6nm 6500 xt. can even beat 24nm gtx 970. 😁😁😁😂😂 lolol. Laugh out so loudly😅😅😄 waste everybody money.........😂
Hardware Unboxed is a real gem of the community. Always honest and pro-consumer. Thank you for what you guys do 👍
Agree! As I noticed the release of RTX 3080 12GB version, there only few tech reviewers who dare to speak up. This is one of trusted tech channel we must follow.
You could say this is the Spaghetti Scameti of the GPU world. (love your channel, Ben, long time watcher).
@@vongtito Paid by Nvidia! Biased towards AMD!
I agree. This was a nice immediate review. I almost sell my 5500 xt.
They are all stakeholders of the "Great Reset" and the so called "shortage" ends when they decide it. meanwhile, they make plenty of mining cards with off brand labels in all asia and india.
If anything, I feel like comparing the RX 6500 XT to older GPUs (like the RX 570) softens the blow of how bad this card is by having something close to it in the comparison charts. If you were to show it only compared to cards released in the past year or two, that would really paint the picture of how horrible this is for a new graphics card.
Let's say you are a new system builder. You want a budget PC that lets you play triple A games. What do you buy? You buy the 6500 XT, that's it. Now what's the problem again? No matter how you slice it, AMD is the only one selling a card at this performance and price point.
@@avatarion Yup, sadly this is the only card not getting scalped to hell and back, for now.
The biggest problem with it is that it doesn't work properly without PCI-E 4.0 support, and doesn't come with a warning label stating as much.
@@syncmonism Yes considering this is such a low end GPU, it's shocking that it performs so badly on PCIE 3.0.
None of the graphics cards in the last year or two sell for even double the price of the 6500xt
It's impressive for the wrong reasons that the 6500 XT, even in the PCIe 4.0 config, is worse than the card it's supposed to replace - the 5500 XT. Not to mention the lack of features and less display ports. This is literally a regression in every single way and it's shocking how bad it is.
At this point I have no faith that the 3050 will be any better.
I'm hearing the 3050 is very good performance wise, but also will be around 400-500 dollars at launch.
3050 isn't corner cut tho it's gonna perform similar to 2060 ko I believe
@@lordadz1615 Nope, seems more like a GTX 1660 Ti with RTX features.
@@person1745 that's stupid. Maybe it's the 3050ti then :/
@@lordadz1615 I'm guessing so... I think Nvidia doesn't want to put them too close to the RTX 2060 12GB so they can "market" them to gamers lol. Anyways that card sells for the same price as a 3060 in my region so its pretty dumb.
I knew it is going to be a failure, I just didn't expect the level, the extreme proportion, of a catastrophic fail this is.
I never knew there is going to be a GPU that I am not going to buy, EVEN AT MSRP, in 2022's GPU market, but here we are.
I am now feeling happy I bought 1650 super for video out back in the day. Rather than going 1650 or 1050 route.
The 160$ over 3 year old card is faster than a latest gen 200$ msrp card, with 2x features, including video encode, 3 video outs and full pcie 3.0 bandwidth didn't think it would be a feature.
Its better than a 1650 if you are building a new system at least.
Yeah that’s the thing, even in this awful gpu times, at least the MSRP for most cards was a great deal in theory. (At least in realistic sub-1000$ msrp territory)
This even sucks at MSRP and probably much below that
@@screwb1882 yeah if you use pcie 4
@@screwb1882 You really think you will be able to get it at MSRP? I can't even by Alder Lake and Zen 3 at MSRP all the the time.
It will go down in history as the most pointless card ever, just get a 1650 super if you need non mining inflated card at around 1.5x msrp....
Or wait... just wait till next gen gpus, even if everything is still bad companies will know how much supply is likely needed, mining operations will be reduced due to Proof of Stake or atleast because of the difficulty spike due next gen cards forcing reselling of older cards.
You will be able to get a GPU at somewhat of a reasonable price by 2023. Though don't think we will have well priced GPUs next few years at least.
"Welcome to Hardware Better Left in the Box."
Makes me really wish I had gotten a 1650S while they were readily available at MSRP.
"Hardware Left in a Box" I legit want that on a Tshirt
Seeing reviews like this proves why we appreciate the hard work that Steve puts into them. Comprehensive, quality editorials that keep consumers interests in mind and hardware manufacturers in check.
6nm 6500 xt. can even beat 24nm gtx 970. 😁😁😁😂😂 lolol. Laugh out so loudly😅😅😄 waste everybody money......"/
What hard work? This reviewed was garbage and it completely missed the point of the product
@@SirMo The review is good and truthful actually but, Steve missed the point of this product. It's not a bad review, it's a bad perspective.
@@oussam2472 I agree.
@@oussam2472 How is it a bad review?
Lowering both ends of the card to make it artificially bad to fit in the line up is a sad moment. Also gives hints on how much the companies make % profit on those cards. We need new players in the system.
6nm 6500 xt. can even beat 24nm gtx 970. 😁😁😁😂😂 lolol. Laugh out so loudly😅😅😄 waste everybody money.......😉😉😆😆
@@roxy_xcxc6869 The GTX 970 is already almost 8 years old at this point, beating it in performance is unimpressive because it was already beaten by the 14nm GTX 1060 in 2016.
"We need new players in the system."
Amen. I really hope intel has a model of their first gen of dedicated GPU's that is a hit. Meaning it's performance competitive with 3060 (or higher) is priced to compete, and can at least come WAY closer to meeting demand (if one of the models of their first gen dedicated GPU's is good) thanks to Intel owning it's own chip fabrication plants unlike Nvidia or AMD.
The longer this generation goes on, the more I appreciate the RX 590 I picked up on sale for $180 mid-2020.
Got a 1650 super for MSRP just before things started to go south. I've been offered more than what I paid for it; in a GPU swap deal with a GT 1030 DDR5. Though I don't game anymore and therefore could've used the cash, I didn't take the deal just out of principle, knowing full well that the person offering this deal would immediately resell it for a profit, and somewhere a gamer would get scammed. Harsh times..
My sapphire overclocked 580 from 2019 is still cutting it. Hell yea Polaris bro 😎
i got an rx 580 for $65 in 2020 lmao
this card is meant for scalpers. let them suffer.
I actually have a story about this, I had an old 1060 3gb pc and was waiting to upgrade when 3000 series launched but my gpu crapped out on me in november 2019. I was miffed that I had to buy a new gpu and shelled out 180$ for an rx 5700.
I thought if it could have just lived a few months, I would have been golden. Needless to say I have no regrets whatsoever
This is even more embarrassing than I expected. This card might actually be worth less than $100 in a normal market. It's a new tier below the Rx 550
it's worse than a decade ago with Nvidia's entry-level potato cards that were rebranded crippled version of older chips.
I’ve had a RX 550 2GB, it was terrible…
This card is a waste of sand... nothing more
I wouldn't pay $100 for this card. It's e-waste. If someone gave it to me for free, I'd try to sell as soon as possible to anyone dumb enough to buy it.
I'll stay with my A10 9700 forever, it seems. Right when I was thinking of getting a brand new RX 580, pandemic hit and they went pretty much extinct (yes, this includes used ones because no way in hell I'll pay 3000BRL on an used one without any warranty when I could get them brand new under 1000).
Gringos always roll their eyes when I say that 2020 killed PC Gaming, but they forget that things are hard for them in first world countries, but literally impossible in the rest of the planet. People are moving on, selling their PCs and saving money for other stuff. Not to mention all this focus on premium hardware and ray tracing when most AAA games are releasing broken and with worse graphics today than graphics from games from 2016.
Well, the goal is wide open for Intel. Never thought I’d be seriously considering an Intel GPU for my Ryzen system - and yet here we are.
6nm 6500 xt. can even beat 6 years ago 24nm gtx 970. 😁😁😁😂😂 lolol. Laugh out so loudly😅😅😄 waste everybody money.
@@roxy_xcxc6869 reading your comment annoyed me much more than the 6500 xt, internet isn't for 5yo kid
lol Intel GPU with AMD CPU build.
still considering Intel? wait, it's still not here yet lmao
Thank you for the honest reviews and hardwork guys. This is appreciated by the community and is great to see that not everyone is susceptible to paid reviews. Keep up the good work 🙌
How the hell does a card's successor regress in performance in comparison to the card from the previous older generation it's meant to replace?
They're hungry for margin, that's all
Easy. This is 6500M, not XT.
@@ivoivanov7407 Correct. AMD literally gave us a laptop chip on a PCIe card because that was the only die they had.
I guess we're supposed to be thankful that their laptop share hasn't taken off yet, otherwise we wouldn't even get _this?_ It's better than nothing, I suppose, especially if they can ship boatloads of this stuff, but it is not a great product.
It's like the 10900K to 11900K disaster but for the GPU space.
Reminds me when AMD first rebranded the HD 7870 as the R9 270 and then for the 370, AMD rebranded the HD 7850/265 as the 370.
Ah lovely, low end GPU’s that still cost more than GPU’s half a decade ago.
and performs worse!
And not even on par with them at any level.
Ever heard of inflation?
@@Simon-gc6uf Every heard of pure trash products, this is what 6500XT is
i not that it is offtopic but should i use resizable bar on 3060ti paired with 5800x and b550 motherboard? Will i see any difference or lose performance?
I recently got offered a 2080 ti blower card. is there any 3rd party cooler system i can use on it other than running a full custom loop?
With how painfully mediocre the 6500XT is, I'd honestly be surprised to see it go very far above MSRP (and stay there). That says a lot.
Thinking same. Miners won't want it, and the gamers that might want it will be PCI x3.0 for the most part and the bottleneck means their current card would have to be very old indeed for this to be an upgrade.
Not even the 1050 was this bad value
That is the point of this card... It is meant to be sold around that level and not go to miners. Just so they can produce some card that goes to gamers. And in fact in the current market it is good value at MSRP.
That was probably amd's plan, make such a bad GPU no one wants it so that they can claim they're selling GPU's at msrp
@@nukularpictures Is it good value? You can save up and hope to get lucky in a Best Buy drop and buy a 3060 Ti Founder's card for $399 and get probably 2-3x performance in most games, and not be crippled by the lack of encoding and x4 lane size.
This card is impressive for all the wrong reasons.
coz mining is king now , amd build it to 'curb' mining enthusiast
@@Archoniz94 It will curb gaming too its so bad.
anyone looking at this gpu or even a 6600 needs to consider a laptop with a 130w 3060 its within a "Full build" price range...and if you only plan on gaming for a few hours like 4-6 max you can put it on a cooling pad and use an external monitor as well to bypass if the igpu has to render onto the included laptop panel for games. Its a more cost effective aspect for gaming unless somone only plans on playing AAA games or warzone. Its a good temporary solution to eventually sell towards a main desktop when gpus are more affordable. A 130w 3060 is around the speed of a 6600 or lower. Ive seen some lenovo with 5800h chips and 1tb nvme drives go for 1200$..at times 1100$. Plenty of room to get a 1080p 165hz monitor. Or even a budget ~300$ 165hz 2k monitor
@@anhiirr this is kind of true (also happening in my country, Indonesia). Looking the GPU price itself itslike building the full spec PC. Gaming Laptop is probably the go to choice *IF* they really need a gadget. (heck even second hand gaming laptop with Intel 8th to 9th gen era still usable)
@@anhiirr 6600 is decent though, and gaming on a laptop kinda sucks imo unless you want to sit in bed or have to travel.
You know, if they just made it 8x instead of 4x it probably would've been very similar on 3.0 in pretty much all games. 4x is too little for 3.0 but 8x is right at the spot where it's like "yeah, that's good enough for 3.0 on this card."
True. For storage it has obvious benefits already, but for GPU's not so much for now anyways. I believe GN did a piece on PCI-E 4.0 vs 3.0 in terms of GPU performance. 16x Gen 3.0 compared to 16x Gen 4.0 yielded little to no performance difference. I think it was only the 3090 when running workstation related tasks not gaming where they could even start to saturate a x16 Gen 3.0 slot with a GPU.
I kind of a fan of this card while also supporting the review:
My brother was really suffering when his good old Rx 570 gave up it's heavy duty life.
I only got an even much older R5 laying around (obviously lacking much funds also).
I was very happy when someone in june sold me a less than 6 month old 6500 for 120 euros (=dollars).
Even the many years old 970 went for about the same (with high risk of low rest life).
So I am very happy that this underdelivering cheapo exists and everyone hates on it.
At least my brother can not replay his old fav games in same or slightly better quality.
Given that the 6500 XT drops below the 5500 XT in multiple runs, I really hope this is a driver issue. Otherwise this card would be a complete joke, honestly.
5500 XT has double the bandwidth so...
@@Gonbatfire yep, the 5500 XT is a better product, it's that simple.
@@Hardwareunboxed is it even worth it to wait it out or is $300 just gonna not be enough for a decent GPU anymore
At this point, it would be better if AMD just refreshed RX 5500 XT to 6500 XT just like what they did with RX 480 to 580. At very least, the newer card is faster than the older one.
@@dragontales1999 well Intel GPUs should be releasing sometime in the next 3 months, so there's a chance there, but Intel GPUs won't be competing for the top end and Intel's top end GPU is probably gonna cost ~700-800 for roughly 3070 levels of performance (based on leaks and Intel giveaway info).
Also Nvidia and AMD is releasing their next gen at the end of this year, so if you can hold out for a year without a new GPU then I would do so. Releasing new GPUs can't be worse than it is now.
GT 1030 replacement for $200...I mean $300+. Welcome to 2022 everybody.
Great S*it start for 2022..
PC gaming is dead if this is the "new normal" why would anyone that doesn't need a video card for work buy these pos video cards for ludicrous prices? If anyone is thinking abut getting into PC gaming now, a laptop or hunting for a good prebuilt is your best bet. Or you can buy a Xbox and a cheap used laptop for basic work. If my GTX 1660 dies I will game on my 4500u laptop that makes a weird noise because I dropped it.
more like 1050Ti (which is still bad).
on what processor did you test this?
Really appreciate the real world cost per frame analysis, Steve. It really helps us answer the question “if I see this card at MSRP, should I buy it?” Hope to see this in more reviews going forward!
18:00 Jesus Christ, I never expected to see my RX570 (which is actually a rebranded boosted RX470) get better results years later than a new AMD card. (On a PCIE 3.0 system like mine)
The really amazing result for me, was the GTX 1050Ti beating it in a few games... WT actual F!
No matter how bad the situation is in the market, we must NEVER accept mediocrity.
WE ARE THE PC MASTER RACE GOD DAMIT; WE HAVE PRIDE.
*Using Intel 640HD graphics.
This will sell like water in the desert though
I thought you were going to say, no matter how bad markets are, they can always get worse.
Well said !
oh yeah we choose full shit! gtx1010 is our choice! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Hi, I was planning on getting the new 3050 rtx but in case I'm not able to, the 1650 ddr6 and 6500 xt are the only ones available right now in budget where I live. But I keep hearing 6500 xt is really bad for content creators. What do you think I should do?
I have this graphics card and it works just fine.
When you have a build just sitting there because other cards are 3x their msrp then anything you can buy at retail is better than giving your money to scalpers. Down the road when card prices are normalized then I will grab a better card at a better price. But having this card is better than simply using an APU which I was stuck doing.
It doubled my frame rate, it was available, and it will be usable for at least a year which is when I expect more robust cards will be back down to normal.
inversing how will be on PCI-e 5.0 ))))
Do you have any problems with the card? Like random crashes, pc shutting down or something else?
@@diegobrando3373 Using this card too with the same reasons above.
No problems at all, runs perfect.
I dont know why the you tubers gives this card a bad review, this card runs everything on high on my AMD rizen pc. These guys stating this is the worst card ever is busy just being nasty. I run all games full and this card is perfect.
@@cho_za12 It's because they're measuring Price to Performance
Bought a RX 480 for 263€ in Feb of 2017. It's the XFX GTR with an amazing VRM design. I've since ghetto-modded it with Arctic P12 fans and it runs 1350 MHz and 2200 MHz memory while staying below 75°C and being whisper quiet.
Now, almost 5 years later I get the opportunity to buy a GPU with less media capabilities and the same performance (or less!) for the same amount of money.
Thanks AMD!
I would thank inflation before biting the hand that feeds
@@Stray_x AMD is not a hand that feeds, they are the ones biting
If you can buy if for 200€ then yes. Thanks AMD. Without and sarcasm. Because what can you buy right now for that price? Sell your 480, buy the RX 5500 XT and bank a cool 80-150€ profit. The market is crazy and AMD is trying to provide some cards. I really do not see how they are the bad person here.
@@nukularpictures This is a waste of silicon. At this point, nothing would better than this shit.
@@nukularpictures People are hating on the 6500XT because it offers nothing in comparison to other cards with similar performance that are the same price or less. It's a pointless purchase when you can just get an RX 400/500 series GPU that won't face a PCIE bandwidth related bottleneck, because chances are that most people looking for a GPU around that price point are not on a PCIE 4.0 supporting platform yet (older Intel platforms and Ryzen 1000/2000, for example).
This is the first time for me to see that the model of the previous generation is better than the latest card at this level. I mean, the RX5500XT 8GB is way better than the RX6500XT 😂
I thought rx5500xt was garbage product and barely any upgrade. Oh boy was i wrong, its better than rx65000xt, lol.
I have no clue about PC building. I’ve been studying today, I’d like to get off of console and move into a PC. On iBuyPower if I select this Video Card over the GeForce GTX 1650 it changes from 75 to 115 FPS at 1080p for Warzone.
I assume this is just fluff advertising and not true numbers? Glad I checked UA-cam before shelling out $. Any recommendations on sites for a first build that would be an upgrade from my Xbox Series X performance?
Hardware Unboxed, you're the best! Please stay honest, you're doing the consumers a serious favour every single video you make
At this point, it feels even insulting to declare this mass heap of disappointment as an RX 480 ver. 4.0
Let’s just call it the GTX 1050 Ti AMD Edition.
You mean ver. 5.0? It really depends on whether you count the 580 and 590 as separate cards.
@@HOONICAT the thing is that is energy efficient (making it somewhat useful), this isn't
@@HOONICAT Don't insult my 1050Ti, at least it has a video encoder unless whatever this is
Why are companies doing this? Is it just because it will sell regardless? AMD and Nvidia both...please...for goodness sake just do something good for your customers.
Customers? what are those? All they see is pompous wallets
"You don't have to worry about scalpers if the scalpers don't want your "new" cards".
This GPU is bad for miners and gamers, so I don't think this will be easy money
or at least don't do anything as insulting as this...
Yes, they are doing as the market dictates. Because the vast majority of the consumer base is buying everything on offer with little forethought or due diligence for their purchase , NVIDIA, AMD and Intel is just gouging as much as possible. You cannot even blame AMD etc, it is the consumer that is the problem.
I wonder if anyone can help? I'm running a PC with PCIe 2 x16 and was actually in the process of purchasing the GTX 1050Ti for video processing on a budget (from a well known auction site) and instead received the RX 6500 XT instead, (I'm somewhat surprised) which actually does look like the slightly better card. However if this card cannot do hardware encoding, am I better selling it and getting another and which one (GTX 1650 Super)? Many thanks.
Hello, thanks for the info
may I ask if the 1650 a GDDR6 or 5 version?
Thanks
rx 6500xt beats 1650
ah i see. Thanks
AMD is throwing away the momentum they gained with Ryzen and the first RDNA 2 releases like they are in Nvidia's or Intel's position. A real shame.
Did we already forget the pricing of first Ryzen? If you look at the launches and MSRP's of the CPU's they already tell a tale. Ryzen 1800X launched at 499 dollars MSRP for 8 core / 16 thread top of line of the gamer model and after coffee lake's 8700K trampled over it, the next year's top of the line consumer model 2700X was at 329 dollars.
Moral of the story is: NO COMPANY IS YOUR FRIEND. Don't fall for corporate PR & Hype. None of them care about you, they'll only do low prices if their position in the market absolutely demands it. The moment they can, the prices will skyrocket.
You don't know what you're talking about, this card is for peoples who want to buy a cheap PC and don't want to pay the crazy prices for GPU's these days.
There are many other AMD GPU's that performs better, but they're very expensive and low availability. These reviews are way out of scope.
Nah. The gaming community is fickle and this will be memory-holed quickly. And in this market it won’t affect sales in the slightest. I predict that most prebuilt gaming PCs will be paired with this thing.
I think you may be a bit too emotional about this GPU atm, just sit back for a moment take a deep breath and revert back to critical thinking.
@@Navi_xoo They didn't cut the features, they were never in the chip to begin with since it was designed as a laptop GPU.... Just keep squawking and squealing in rage an anger. It's really simple, if a card fits your use case, buy it, if it doesn't then don't.
As someone who went from a 1050ti in a laptop to a 4GB RX 570 to an RX 5700, I know what it's like to hover in the low-mid range. We deserve better than the RX 6500XT. Gross AMD, just gross.
Yes, AMD messed up the global economy.
@@avatarion I didn't say nor imply that they did.
A 5700 is still decent IMO. Most people don't need a high-end GPU for a solid gaming experience.
Im hoping that this is just AMD's way of getting rid of scalpers, by intentionally making a bad card for them to get right away.
@@t.c.b4722 oh it's an absolute beast. I just upgraded my monitor last March to a 1440p 144 HZ so there are some games where I'm definitely not getting the most out of my monitor, but that's okay because I still only have a Ryzen 5 2600 in my rig. I'm graduating from college in May and hopefully will have a much higher paying job from what I'm doing now so by the time new graphics cards and CPUs come out this fall or winter I can just start from the ground up to make the ultimate 1440p 144 HZ machine.
Will it prevent paper from blowing Off my desk?
Please review any future non-x16 cards at PCIe 3.0 as well! I worry that some RDNA 3 models might have x8 PCIe and that they won't perform well on my PCIe 3.0 system, especially at 1440p.
Seems to me that this laptop gpu basically came with the limitations of 4gb vram, pci-e limited just to 4x and its performance. Under normal circumstances it has no business on the desktop, and especially not at it's current price. If they just named it the 6400xt and released it at € 100 or so if they released it at all, it would have seemed more reasonable. Sadly in the current market reasonable simply does not exist when it comes to gpu's.
Yeah if everything was normal this would be could a 6300xt and cost 110 usd.
6500XT is also an insult to laptop GPUs.
@@saricubra2867 Yeah. I mean the 50w gtx 1650 gddr6 on laptops performs like a desktop 3gb 1060. Imagine this rx6500xt on laptops at 50w. That too on pcie 3.0. I shudder at the thought. It would likely loose to the gtx 1650
Don't worry. Its a insult to laptop gpu's too. Its really a mx class laptop gpu and should not cost more than $500.
Imagine releasing a GPU so terrible, it struggles to outperform a god-damn GPU from 20-fucking-19.
GG AMD, you've outdone yourselves...
You mean from 20-FUCKING-16 if we are talking about RX480
@@niktodt1 Which is even sadder to think that a GPU released in 2022 struggles to outperform not just an RX480 but also the laptop 1060 in my old laptop...
It's outperformed by the Polaris cards in most scenarios, which were released in 2016.
if you buy it for 200$, its best budget today. 1650 cost 350+
You mean 2013, it won't be faster than a hawaii card (and probably slower if we take 8gb edition)
If the 6500XT had encoding, didn't require a 6pin power connector, cost less than $150, and came in SFF options... it would have been a godsend.
Tf up
Hey Steve is this graphics card worse than the integrated graphics on the 5700 G
Almost unbelievable AMD could release a disaster product like this on the low-end segment.
RX 5500 XT is faster despite being older and it was never a great gaming Graphics Card although at least it was good.
Oh man.... AMD should've branded this RX 6300 or 6400 instead and should be priced lower! It's a terribly embarrassing product for RDNA2.
And the power efficiency...! What the hell is wrong with AMD? 6nm GPU with worse power efficiency than 12nm GPU!
Oh man.... I hope Radeon RX 680M is faster than this.
Well, it's running at 2.8ghz, it can't be efficient. I don't know what AMD was thinking here.
IT has been confirmed to almost be lossing money for amd. All these clickbait titles are just frustrating and show that these chanells want every card to be the top card. They all compare to cards from 4-5 years ago forgeting that this will always be the segment most effected by price increases of raw materials.
@@danonimob they tried to come up with a cheap card to supply a market using a repurposed mobile chip.
@@jacobpipers you know what is more frustating? People like you who defend shit company for realesing a shit product, what makes no sense for comparing new card with old card? Then what should steve compared this card to?
This is cash grab move, there is no single way amd loose money on current gpu market. No, you are a liar that spread misinformation, an amd hyperfan.
My guess is that it was just relatively recently decided to make the laptop gpu into a desktop graphics card and the result is poorly optimized
This is really that AMD had a lot of unused laptop dies that they could not sell. And dumped it on the desktop marked as a very low end GPU. Knowing that they would sell anyway
It's 6nm, freshly cooked. No ways this is unused unfortunately.
I think they are looking to the future…. This thing is so horribly cut down it probably cost them next to nothing to make. This way when nvidia is crushing them they can lower the price to $119 and still profit.
the GPU isnt repurposed stock they actually made it new. what a waste of R&D and $$$
@@evers6214 yeah I feel like this GPU has so little CU's that it probably costed them like 100$
@@floorgang420 @E Vers But still in our days the commodity in short supply is a slot to get the chip/die made. When the die is made the worst part is done regarding GPUs. They will sell never the less. Anyway this is a product I never will purchase. If you do not game or do production works(non pro works). Modern internal IGPUs will do the job more than good enough
I have an idea, when you get all those board partner cards in you could do a video about what it's like to not have the features that other cards have. Saying what features it's missing is one thing, but showing what that really means would be interesting.
With what CPU, storage type (HDD, SATA, M2, NVMe), and RAM did you use to make this test?
They should have drop the "XT" that way they could have a (somewhat weak) justification for the reduced performances than the previous gen 5500XT.
LOL yes. XT is being tossed around on too many crap cards
@@Dr.WhetFarts yeah I feel bad for my poor 5700XT now, on this card it gives the false but totally understandable impression from people that XT is just a gimmick while you could get somewhat a good value on it from non-XT card back in the day. ( 2019 )
AMD not only disappoints on this card, but also to their shitty branding.
AMD has mostly had issus this generation with good cards bad pricing, I think this is the first time they’ve managed to hit bad card bad pricing. I consider that an achievement
the 6600 is a good card with bad pricing, this one is just a turd they should be giving away for free after you buy some AMD sponsored game.
@@J0derVIVIVI hahaha omg
@@J0derVIVIVI This card will not age gracefully at all since it's weaker than card 5 years older than it. Heck it's half as strong as the 2060 which came out 3 years ago with none of the features.
@@khaledm.1476 One of the many reasons why is bad and shows those recommending it as a "stop gap" or "until you can get the one you want" don't have a clue or are paid shill/bots.
@@khaledm.1476 With how direct storage interact with future games, gimping pcie bandwidth is quite literally the worst thing ever since spoiled milk.
my 1650s just got around 60 fps on death stranding with i5 8400 is my cpu bottlenecking ?
The local Micro Center (Tustin CA) has dozens of $199.99 cards as of noon today.
Somehow AMD managed to create a GPU that most people will probably never even want to buy even at MSRP. I don't know if this is more sad, insulting, or laughable. The only good thing that might come from this launch is the faint possibility that, maybe, some scalpers will take a financial hit trying to resell these cards. No one should buy this card.
Seriously though... this product needs to fail. This needs to be such an epic flop that AMD is forced to go back to the drawing board and actually try to release something competitive.
We know it will succeed.Any GPU will sell in today's market.
That's the purpose let the scalpers pay for those cards.
Jesus Christ... I'm actually glad I recommended my mate to get an AMD 590 at under $200 in 2019! He got an absolute steal compared to shit-show 2022.
Still a great card for 1080p especially at that price
I got an rx 5700 for 180 back in 2019, I don't know why you didn't convince them to get a 2070/rx 5700xt instead that card launched up to 1000s in 2021
Can someone explain to me how would I know if what I'm building is capable of pcie gen 4 or 3. I'm building my first gaming pc part by part so I don't know much. I've got a ryzen 7 5700g with a gigabyte aorus b550 elite v2 board
While your board supports PCIe 4.0 (all the 500 series AMD boards do), your CPU doesn't. So it will run in PCIe 3.0 mode. You'd have to get a whole new CPU if you wanted to use this card at full speed.
@@riven4121 Ah thank you for that! I've learned something today haha
I mean from what I read 3050 supposed to have 8gb and at MSRP $50 more than the 6500XT. What were they thinking?
"Welcome to Hardware reboxed, where we rebox hardware that should never have been unboxed"
This card is pretty much a failure and pretty embarrassing, can't wait for Intel Arc GPUs to hopefully shake up the discrete GPU market duopoly
dont expect much from intel since they have gone to making asics also...allocating resources to big-time mining
Don't expect too much from Intel.
The product is not all.
The drivers are a true issue . And game dev are basing theirs dev upon nvidia a d amd drivers only.
All of the msrp priced cards are sold out on Newegg but some $299 models are still available. I guess if you're aware of the products weaknesses and you have a gen4 motherboard/cpu and are buying it as a place holder until you get what you're looking for at a reasonable price price and retire the 6500XT as a backup emergency card it's not too bad for $199 in this market but that's a lot of if's.
Intel likes to lie.
do you think the duopoly is a major problem or maybe cryptohype? did you notice that cards are priced heavily to their hashrate no matter if its nv or amd? thats why intel wont change much in this market, i dont get why ppl rise their hope with arc gpus
so why no rerererelease of the 480? (or similar)
I've been running on an RX 480 4 GB for years now. Was hoping to get a reasonably priced 6700XT sometime this decade, not a drop-in replacement for the 480. And oddly enough, the RX 480 was going for $200 back in the day. Moore's Law truly is dead.
This is just what i expected with that reduced pcie bandwidth and the low cu count. But still when i see these numbers, it's really unbelievable that this is actually a real product. What i didn't expect though was the creator crap power consumption numbers. The 1650 super is made using a much older node. The 6500xt should be much more efficient. I don't understand just how they made it so bad
Look at the clockspeed. They traded all efficiency for mad clockspeeds.
Unpopular opinion but RDNA2 isn't as efficient as Ampere (or Turing) anyways. This is something that AMD fans love to deny but the fact that AMD cards are usually trading blows with NVIDIA cards in power / performance while having a hefty manufacturing node advance says a lot about the Architecture's efficiency. When you start the race 100 meters ahead and end up at a tie with your opponent at the finish line, you weren't the best runner in the race.
AMD is infamous for over volting their cards from the factory so you can probobly undervolt it alot. My guess is this thing is purpose built to be an Ethereum mining card.
@@PAcifisti well navi 21 is around 100mm2 smaller than GA-102. They need to clockspeed to be tied in performance with ampere. Increasing clockspeed past a certain point seriously affect efficiency. That's what we are seeing with rdna2.
@@yurimodin7333 i don't understand. What is it that you are taking about. If it's the 6500xt, then i don't that's that's quite right. Ethereum mining needs atleast 6 gb vram
@@yurimodin7333 It wasn't. It can't mine Eth. The DAG size is nearly 5GB.
It's why AMD gave it such shit specs. So it can't mine or be used on the blockchain. It's all around a shit product. Shit at gaming, shit at mine.
I knew this thing was going to be a dud... but I at least expected it to beat the 5500 XT by about 10%... but the damn thing couldn't even do that. I had hoped the 16MB of L3 cache, and the asinine clock speeds would help offset the 64-bit bus limitations but it seems all it did was allow the 6500 XT to keep it's head above water... barely.
When stuck on a old Radeon R7 200 the new 6500XT at $200 is a nice performance increase when you do not have $350 to spend on a 1650.. and they are in stock at that price today!
Question how much more would it have cost had the card used 8 lanes?
AMD be like "y'all thought 5500xt was bad,have a look at this" 💀😭😂
I think its fair to say that the RX580 and GTX 1060 can finally join the 8600GT as one of the most trusty cards ever made
The 970 is 8 years at this point, and still to be dethroned.
or the 1080ti that thing is still a beast ( don't got one but everyone tells me it's still doing 1080p ultra in 2022)
Honourable, more modern mentions:
- GTX 1650 Super at $159
- GTX 1660 Super at $229
- RX 5600 XT at $279
- RX 5700 at $349
- RX 5700 XT at $399
@@HOONICAT gtx 1650 super was never $159, more like $200
the 10 series as a whole was legendary
Will Sims 4 on high settings run on the 6500 XT?
I just realized how similar the opposite terms "corner cutting" and "cutting edge" sound
Geeze you're good. You hit this one out of the park. WELL DONE STEVE - standing up for individuals that aren't tech savvy to stop them from wasting their hard earned money.
100% agreed :)
6nm 6500 xt. can even beat 24nm gtx 970. 😁😁😁😂😂 lolol. Laugh out so loudly😅😅😄 waste everybody money.......'x
I had hoped that the tiny infinity cache could mitigate some of the memory and pcie bandwidth deficit. Guess not. This should be priced at 75-100 dollers imo, but with supply constraints and TSMC hiking prices an additional 20%, its probably priced fairly market wise. Given it can be had at MSRP.
IC will only help between GPU and VRAM, not VRAM and system, so it's effectively predictable as long as data will need to traverse the PCIe bus.
It does help to some degree with VRAM bandwidth since despite having a 64-bit bus, it's able intermittently match GPUs with wider buses (see Hitman 3 results), but it definitely cannot make up for the combination of all the other deficits it has in all situations.
Hi I got an interesting question for you. Can we crossfire two 6500xt and actually get more value than 6600?
No, Crossfire sucks.
Can someone advice I'm looking for a gpu which one better 6500xt or 1650 super
18:09
An RX 6600 is $300. I recommend that if you want the best of mid-tier gaming. You'll probably want to sell the 6600 in the future if you want something more powerful. But keep it if that's all you need, and it is perfect for 1080p gaming.
I love the comparisons to the older lower end cards, really help understand that lack of upgrade here, but also helps anyone with an older card understand where they stand. Thank you for all the hard work in testing all these cards!!!
When we asked for an affordable entry level gpu, this isn't what we meant AMD.
This ain't it chief!
And what is AMD supposed to do? The GDDR6 alone is about 60 USD in BOM cost right now. Another 20 USD for the silicone and then you need all of the other components. There is no way of reducing the price or getting better performances. The market is just 100% fucked so its not a bad card given the current situation.
@@nukularpictures The silicone is trash... They could have made 150m2 chip with everything you need for about 10-15$ price increase... They just didn't bother... Took a mobile chip and branded it x500XT... That's disingenuous to say the least. Slower that the 5500xt... But hey, if that makes sense to you, sure thing, buddy, go buy one...
@@calisto2735 Yeah they could. But the problem is that the tape out for this die will have been a long time ago. The design will have been finalized most likely at least 1-2 years ago.
This is just the time it takes to design and manufacture those products.
So this was the only option of creating more GPUs at all. There is no other option right now. I am sure they will make a small die desktop chip for the 7000 series but there was no other chip planed.
It is really not that they did not want to they could not. But hey I am sure you have a lot of experience in chip design, validation and production and can proof me that they could have just easily created a new chip in the time they had...
@@nukularpictures "silicon" not "silicone". The former is an elemental crystalline and the second is a rubber (or the filler of fake tits) :P Other than that you're absolutely right. AMD never intended to put this on a dGPU, but since everyone went apeshit about the $380 MSRP of the 6600XT (because they flat out refused to listen when Tom from MLID said that GDDR6 is the most inflated cost increase in the entire supply chain) they really had no choice. Damned if they did. Damned if they didn't.
in my country the gtx 1650 and the rx 6500 xt are at the same price... is it better for me to go for the rx 6500 xt?
Thank you. This is a reference of reviews now!
GN has a lot to learn from this in my humble opinion.
AMD had such an opportunity to grab this section of the market, such a shame Intel and Nvidia will be rubbing its hands. May as well as just make a good APU for this end of the market.
I think it's just Intel at this point. Nvidia gave the 3050 enough VRAM for mining, it's going to be _gone._
Not really. Nvidia doesn't have dies for this price range (unless you count mx series, and they would be as bad or worse than this) and intel will not have enough cards for both laptop and pc market
The 3050 is 25% more expensive and likely will perform the same, and be unavailable in the same way.
Nvidia has noting to answer.
1650 is selling for 500$ and is slower.
AMD its beein failing a lot lately.
Welp, I guess that's it then. Possibly the last "sub $200" GPU to be released for the foreseeable future, maybe ever (except for maybe GT cards).
GT 3010 for real excel gamers
Good grief. The 3050Ti is "MSRP" at 250. It'll be over 400.
Even worse the fact that this garbage doesn't have media engine while the old entry-level RX 460 has one.
@@markhackett2302 It’s just the 3050, if a Ti version was to come it would be even more expensive which is just ridiculous for the 50 range cards
Its not even sub $200
Would be nice to see a 4k resolution test against an RX480 8GB. I tend to game that way, turning down other settings if it doesn't feel like a smooth 60fps, though I am often playing older games.
I saw the GN gpu coaster there. A man of culture I see. Bravo! Love it when they throw little things like that here and there.
As soon as I saw the specs, I was shocked at the measly 64-bit bus. Wondering why on earth would it have such a small bus. Hell, even the very first GPU I ever bought back in the early 2000s (ATI Radeon 9800 Pro) had a 256-bit bus. I know a lot of midrange cards these days still work perfectly only needing 128-bit buses. But 64? I literally couldn't remember ever seeing a card with such a small bus. So much so I actually had to look it up to see what other card had that small of a bus. GT 1030 is what came up.... nuff said.
What was AMD thinking with this one? Surely they knew that small of a bus was going to seriously hamper this card's ability to keep up with the throughput. Is this a limitation of the laptop GPU? Or was AMD hoping the higher bandwidth of the PCIE 4.0 interface would make up for the losses in the bus width? Either way, that's a bad call. Especially when AMD is well aware that PCIE 4.0 adoption is still pretty low at this point, and even more especially when many PC gamers don't have enough hardware knowledge to know at a glance what "bus width" means nor how it relates to performance. At least not enough to recognize and relate that to the PCIE standard on their motherboard in "their" own PC.
From where I stand, this may not be "as bad" as the whole GT 1030 DDR4 fiasco Nvidia pulled, but it's still pretty bad. Especially at this price point. This is a midrange price point (yes I consider any card between $200-$400 midrange) for what is clearly a budget card. What's worse, is it's a midrange price point for a card that can so easily be gimped to bottom of the barrel budget performance from something so simple as installing it in "common" PCs of today since most of the current adopted market, still have PCIE 3.0 interfaces in them. That's not acceptable in my opinion. And AMD shouldn't have the right to use the excuse "well it's your fault because you should've known better from the specs on the card and your PC" in this scenario. AMD are selling this as a midrange GPU when they damn well know the vast majority of the current market would only end up getting bottom of the barrel budget performance from it. That may not technically be false advertising. But it sure as hell is misleading advertising.
EDIT: Only just caught the bit about this card only being able to utilize PCIE to 4X.... (Literally just facepalmed myself and am at a complete loss for words...I honestly don't know what to say)... This card is an embarrassment.
the reason for the 64 bits bus it's to make them useless for miners, but they didn't look how that would affect to games
@@frangarcia1699 it was to lower cost to maximize profit. bus width takes die area making them more expensive to produce.
stop thinkning they care about you, this an 80$ gpu trying to sell at >200$
They comminted seppuku with this one and pretty easily drag the whole "radeon" brand with.
Trying to justify this card from the very few positives it just can't be done when a gtx 1650 is just better.
The fact they are pr lying does not make it any better as well as having the bots/sheeple regurguitating "but miners", "is for 1080p" etc etc.
Only OEMs may save them and i doubt they would just to avoid the many headaches this card would bring to to them.
At some point a product becomes too compromised to be released. You cut back on features so much that it starts to fall below minimum standards.
That's exactly what we have with the 6500 XT. To launch a graphics card in 2022 and have it fall behind 1050 Ti is absolutely unacceptable 🤦♂️
I know people are desperate for GPUs, but at what point are you knowingly selling them a deficient product?
Keep these chips in laptops and you have no problems, but put them in desktops and suddenly you have a product that is barely fit for purpose.
Well, it could fit the purpose of an entry level card already far better than any APU if only it was priced around 100 usd and not overclocked at an absurd level of inefficiency.
100% e-waste.
@@PainterVierax + it should include hardware encoder for latest video format like H.265, AV1 and anything else to speed up any render speed of video editing projects and to minimize any overload in CPU usage for any other purposes, such as video streaming and recording using OBS
@@sihamhamda47 Unlike the HW video decoder, most consumers don't use the encoder functionality that often outside of videoconferences so it kinda make a bit more sense to sacrifice it on an entry level chip. Although, if paired with an iGPU or an older card, then those encoding jobs don't necessarily need to be software rendered by the CPU.
Remember that VP8 and H265 hardware codecs are embedded since Kabylake and that H264 is still very popular and doesn't wash out crisper/grainy footages (not sure if AV1 fixed that recurrent HEVC issue).
@@PainterVierax Ah, thanks for the information
Very interested to see a Hardware Unboxed comparison of the 12600K v the 12650H to get a sense of what UHD770 vs Xe looks like.
This was the most thorough roast I've seen in a while.
Nvidia: Lets release yet another GA102 SKU (RTX3080 12GB) and not provide a review driver or MSRP to mask our latest cash grab.
AMD: We can't just let Nvidia dominate the "terrible business practice segment" of the video card market. So we will release a terrible "value" video card.
Gamers: 😑
The ego of AMD may also have played the role of this so-called GPU that AMD has to offer for budget users.
actually for budget users it's the best option lol
@@Zorro33313 no it isn't. This is going to be no less than 300USD at launch. No one must buy this crap anything above 199USD. Period.
@@Zorro33313 cope + brainwashed + literally just get a 1650 super
@@sebastianhernandez1228 For what? It costs 350€ over here. The non super variant is 300€. If this card goes on sale for 200€ its a good deal.
@@OnlyCitrus Well it depends on that. If they hit the 200 USD / € price point its good value. As you clearly saw in the video. The card is designed to do just that. So yeah.
I guess I'll look forward to the RDNA2 APUs in AM5 RYZEN CPUs "IF" it reaches this kind of performance. For a discrete GPU this is just bluntly awful.
To think that even the RX 460 can use ReLive while this cannot.
My R9 fury is struggling so hard to persist, black screen in most new games, needing to reduce power limit everywhere to mitigate it :(.
As expected, the RX 6500XT was never meant for discrete graphics for the desktop computer market. It was initially designed and intended for the notebook and laptop computer segment. The entire architecture of this card was meant for a product segment that rarely ever surpassed 1080p gaming and all connections of the product indicate that this item was meant as an internal device to only have at best two output options. The goal of such a device was to save on energy consumption and not performance in game rendering. I see this as a slap in the face in the reputation of AMD, because the product is not actually a product line designed for the market segment it is attempting to sell into. On a long term perspective on AMD's intentions, if they do not have a GPU product line for the 200 dollar price point, that means the chip architecture they used for the RX 6600 was meant to drop into the 200 to 300 dollar range in it's life expectancy in terms of sales, but the card has done the opposite and sold around the 600 dollar price point.
It does NOT matter if was meant or not to be a mobile GPU what matters is the end product and its price, both are not worth it.
Doing this is just coping or trying to justify such bad product.
this card is meant for scalpers. let them suffer.
agreed
I also don't quite get the criticism: if we consider it a non-gaming card, then it costs as much as 1050Ti while being twice as fast, and is cheaper than 1650 while being about the same (in 3.0 mode). (prices based on PCCG)
If we acknowledge that such non-gaming cards have the right to exist, then this seems to be a perfectly valid alternative, is it not? The two video-outs are the main weird choice for a workstation card (presumably DP can be daisy-chained but still). The main good argument I can see is that if you don't care about 3d performance then get 1030 instead.
YT channel Moore's law is dead also gave a nice overview of the costs for manufacturing and shipping the 6500XT, and at around 160-ish dollars for board cost and shipping cost alone (not including R&D and other things), it shows that this card in a normal market wasn't going to be financially viable unless AMD is okay with literally selling cards at a loss. Which obviously we're okay with buying cards at 100 if AMD will take a loss of 60 per card.
While everyone is literally in a draught for video cards and as much as this card MIGHT alleviate some of the draught, perhaps it would've been better if AMD didn't even release 6500XT cards for desktop at all and leave the draught alone. As far as we know, the average consumer doesn't care about how much a company paid to manufacture and ship a card, and only cares about the value, so if AMD really cared about perception, they would have never released 6500XT, and released the 6600XT at 200 bucks and let it get slurped up by scalpers and miners; at least then everyone's frustration is pointed at scalpers and miners, instead of AMD.
Literally the best thing about this card is to laugh at it and enjoy the train wreck of a card. It’s like they shot themselves in the foot and accidentally set themselves on fire and then peed their pants just comedy. Going to watch some more reviewers roasting it.
Holy shit my RX 5600XT is so good, I didn't appreciate what I had enough. Thank you AMD for making me realise that.
Why does PCIe3 affect the 6500XT so much where as it doesn't affect the 3090 as much when running high end?
x4 vs x16
@@Hardwareunboxed aaah OK thank you.
Steve, crystal ball type of question: Do you think, once the stock/mining/scalping situation resolves, that every segment price (X070, X080, X800 XT, etc) will rise for future generations considering NVIDIA's 3080 12GB release and AMD's 6500XT? Do you think it's naive-thinking to expect, for example, X070 performance to remain at the $500 mark (once the current landscape is resolved)?
I can't fathom why AMD would deliver this level of performance for $200 and I definitely agree that the 3080 12GB was just a gimmick they pulled because they realized $700 is low for a $3080.
I'm glad we have reviewers like you to call it how it is. I have a question though!
Do you think AMD are thinking about the upcoming pcie gen 5 on the next CPU generation and are now scaling their GPU production to attempt to save money in this area?
e.g are thinking they will get away with x8 or x4 bandwidth for pcie gen 5 GPUs in the future?
your question was already positively answered few years ago during the launch of the RX 5500xt 4Gb.
Keep up the good work Steve! TY for an honest review.
Great. With such release, I feel in the upper class with my gtx 1060 6gb !